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‘Memorandum

To : «Cade, Contact Division DaTa: 1 July 1963
Attn : Mc Connell/Czajkowski/Lincoln Staff

FROM Culef, Whew Yor Office

sugject: Attempted R.I.8, Penetration of Bell Telephone Labs

. "=. Raft IE Reports 2988-3 and 2909-3

1.
Staff from ea Soviet realities standpoint.

We thought the attached reports vould ve of interest to Lincoln:
We also felt that they should

be brought to the attention of Division management because the M.0. out-
lined therein 1s becoming 6 mijor factor in dealing with sources who have ,

contact with Sovbloc nationals.

It bas been our expertence that the type

of activity outlined has been on a mrked increase, particularly since

the establighzent of the KOB 10th Directorate.

Although such activity

by Sov legals is taking place throughout the continental U.3., undoubtedly

ite greatest impact is being felt in the New York and Washington, D.C.
“areag because of the largn Soviet Government establishments in both of
For this reason it would seem imperative that both WAFO
and NYFO be extremely vigilant for such activity in companies and insti-
tutions with which thoy are dealing in order that it my be recognized
in ita earliest stages and appropriate CI/CE countermeasures instituted.
In order to assist other offices in this respect, ve plan to write in the
near future an article for the Division Newsletter, outlining some of our

these cities.

experiences along these lines.

. 2. We were somewhat disappointed in CI Staff's reaction to our
recent request for assistance in defensive briefing of the subject of
one of the attached reports. It seeme to be quite clear now that our

and that there is a strong likelikood that his current trip behind the
Curtain will be utilized by the opposition for provocation or an
actual recruitment attempt. We wonder in future cases of this nature
exactly what support we may expect from Angleton's ahop. Although we
“feel that we have a fair capability for handling such matters here in
Bew York; we do admit that, at least on this one, we would have felt

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original assumption concerning his being R.1.8. targeted was quite correct

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3. Judging by the attached mterial, it would appear that, despite
established Beall ‘policy (see our 16 May memorandum re Case 39,790), the
opposition bas seen fit to deflower at least two of Bell's sctentific
virgins. We serfously wonder at this point just how many other Bell
people. might. be in the same boat. Perhaps, as a result of all this,
som representation by Bell management to the KGB will be forthcoming,
spelling out..to that organization, as was spelled out to our om, estab=>
lished company policy pertaining to such matters. In any event, it would
. appear that at least one or two Bell scientists, and there are probably

more, have been giving the R.I.8. more cooperation and reporting than the
Agency. Let's hope that in the neor future Bell management takes some
effective steps to rectify this rather ludicrous, and patently dangerous,
situation.

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0930-1230 bours 1 Juuc, Manfred 4. Senrueder of Bell laos 1
received a strons defensive briefing in eoneeetion with hile June- :
July trip to the Ssh und suiguria (gee one 7 vay Coordination Out-
line for subjeev)* During Sehrveder's briefing, Nagic elicited
from him thkt prior to a trip to tae USGR in 1959 he hud been cen-
tacted by an Individual. vho represented hingell se u West German

Intelligence Officer.

More important, we also learned that, ut i

about the same tiue, RIS cultivation so;

Echrocder apparently began.

2. Concerning the West German approach,

cearceder indleated

“that hts mother, who resides in Hanbury, wa. vclephoned in 1950 by
an individual whe cleised to be an old scqin.tnuance of her son's
and who was interested in contacting hia concerning employment in
the US. The caller left a phone uunee~ tnd said that he would ap-
rreciate 1b if Senroeder could call hin nexe tine he was in Haaburyg.
Schroeder's mother relayed the message vo itr con, and, os requested,
he telephoned the caller just nrior to hls iy, UGSR junnct. The
individua] he called identiried himself ar ¢ West Gerwan inte] Ligence
Officer and said that he vould like to mes) othe rou.der aG coon as
asible. Schroeder agreed. When they met, tac individual in question
Schrocder doec not recali his name) presinted suitable ercduntiale
and expressed interest in Senrocder's urlyp to ta: USSR. According to . ,
Schroeder’ 8 account, the West German Invelligence Offlecr gave him the
old “keep your cyes and «ars open’ pitch, and «.ld him that he would
contact him in the iirst West German city in whieh he touched down
after hia USSR trip. Schroeder was convscted in Stuttgart promptly
after returning to Gersany from the US3u on his way puck to the US.
Because of his US employment and the fact that Zell paid tor his trip,
Schroeder became very upprehensive about any Vurther convact with the
West Germun service and et che time of the call indlected that he nad
nothing to cay and wanted no vurther contact. Giher lien the cuvsory
examination of ¢redentials (us reported above), Gchrocder made no
attempt to establish the vona fides of the Geivvin who meds whe approach.
We pointed out to Schrveder the uiikely possitility tact the appreach
might not have veen vone fide and might, In faucet, nave been a provo-
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Acoustics “cilities ta Moseom wad Leawurad in ag.
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Chathaua, New Jersey, aac ab that tine thoi doves te her the
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hk. Gchroraler said that his oj. ville te ths USAR wus quite
routine and that &: end? recall nett out cote nobary hes ppen ings
during the triv.e “Qeting the vilit, nis oov cou terpeart, “Saetluev, wie
speaks fluent Geran, seted as Lis host aud was at his s™iS7 mist
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‘ in 1y$S waen ne met im in Copehagen ot a profvessluiael tee Goape . ‘
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1 toe hia were to his lage and usually sppenrced te have bee ede fro a
i pay phones. Sehrucder se‘d that ote cmetligs wita vorele inedode 3
' lunches and dinners in Munhattan, wveblsibitiug at a lies T Ree '

Meeting, thoutes, t:.) ontertatmaent os each other in sopoettye
homes. Schroeder clalags that hla wile accomanted hin dasktg, nugat av : ;
his contact with volyin. Other tia to nies mn faaliy, Volyii never :
tntroduced Schroéde: to any other tustviduals. :

shroeder cluima thab on ns vouple of cecuclous te tuned over ot
2 technical Layers te Vo. ht, wie, raed be bean CLP ae ‘
engineer. Schroedcr can't r-call wucther Volgin speetfheilly requisted

the informtion or whether he turocd it over te trun ou ble own initiative. , ,
At one polut during their relationship, Volgen enked Schroedas ta te ite ,
an article on US acoustics work, for publfeution in a ooviet: USnAreE

cette ements tee semmeeerne agen tin tyute sete theta tte nnenyeaered we evetqne sy mere te

Journaly” Schoeder veclined. .
3. In retrospect Schroeder admitted that he hid been quile ontve
about his relationsntp with Volgin and expressed cuae concern that cel!
security hadn't beer core autive ia ndanuishing hin cadnst devel yp-
ment of relationchips with cov Gover cient peprewentnt Lure » Ws view ©
of his experiences wo sompietely cotneldec with wis as a result of oy
our discussion. ; 2
i 9. Another. fector wuleh sbvioualy enters Lato Scuroeder's KIS, .
: pictures tn alo wife's bulgarian estenction. dthrseder tales Ehat ;
i neither he ner, te the best or hie unowlcdge, uic wis nave ever been 1
approached by Suvblo> ‘representatives in thi. count ey concerning hic :

wife's faally t. Pugaria, Iie wise 's mother, iwuntife Kensekik,
dumigrated to the UO tn April la and Lived alth Senroeder tsi his L,
wife until iovember 1(€2 when she returaed to Sola, upperently because

she was homesick and couldn't niguct to the new language and life in

the US. Sehroeder naid that hic motuer-ti-las's origianl exit vise

request was rejected ta 1953 by tac Hal garian Gevernmeut, but after he

‘and his wife wrote severe: ietters to the Bulgurian Foreign Miasotry
v

she was finally granted permission to leave in 1360. ,

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: - Bell Telephone Labs

10. Arter Sohrveder visits the USSR on his current trip, he . -
- splans to fly to Sofia to spend approximately a week with hie wife's
‘family there. Schroeder had not mentioned the Bulgarian visit in
outlining his original itinerary to Bob Martin of this office, there-
fore, it vase not mentioned in Schroeder's Coordination Outline.

11. All of the above would seém to indicate quite strongly that

' Schroeder, ag we originally surmised, has been targeted by R.I.3. In-

briefing Schroeder, we ran through some of the typical entrapment

situations fabricated by the opposition, e.g., women, homosexuals,

: purchase of drugs for Sov citizens, black mrket activity, acceptance
of letters to mail outside the USSR, commitments to disaffected Sova,
etc. In addition, we stringently admonished Schroeder againat any
notetaking or photography which could in any way be construed as com-

. promising. We also alerted Schroeder to the fact that some attempt

‘ might be made to use his - Jife! 6 family as leverage in a recruitment

attempt. In this connection, we pointed out to Schroeder that there
was a strong likelihood that the R.I.S. and/or Bulgarian service would
make an approach to him during his forthcoming visit to Sofia. An
approach in Bulgaria would give the Sove an opportunity for disavowal

. and also would provide the proper setting for maximum utilization of

* relatives. When Schroeder mentioned that his sister-in-law, FNU
Monsckik, had indicated several times in the past that she would like
to leave Bulgaria, we strongly admonished him against making any com-
mitments to her, pointing out that she may poosibly be co-opted by
the opposition. We told Schroeder that any representations to gain
an-exit visa for his sister-in-law should be channeled through the
US Legation in Sofin, Schroeder was told that, if any pressure were
applied concerning his vife's family, his best reaction would probably
be a noncommittal, "I'll think it over when I get home?" All] in ala,
we alerted Schroeder as dest we could to the opposition M.0. and pre-
pared him on how best to avoid some of the not so obvious pitfalls

which might be in store for hin.

12. Prior to our briefing of Schroeder, Bob Martin alerted Bell
management to all of the ramifications of Schroeder's travel behind
the Curtain. The management vas informed by Martin that we felt it
our obligation to point out to them the strong possibility that Schroeder
had been targeted in order that they would have all of the facts avail-

able before signing off on his trip.

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Bubject: Apparent RIS Interest in Manfred R. Schroeder,
oe Bell Telephone Labs

: . - 13., Assesament of Schrueder: Subject, a very accomplished
i : ectentisat, heads up ali acoustics research at Bell. He reads -
. ‘Russian and is fluent in German, French, Spanish, Italian, Dutch,
and Bogiish. He impresses us as being a rather savvy, discreet,
we cooperative, mature, stable, well motivated individual. We attri-
to bute Schroeder's apparent lack of discretion in his dealings with
: the Bove more to the subtlety of the Sov approach than to his own
H paivete. It has been our experience that most US businessmen and
: can scientists are very ausceptibina and vulnerable to the opposition
: " approach mainly due to somewhat of a lack of realistic public
e@ucation. concerning contacts with Sovbloc nationals. We feel
that ‘Bchroedar's degree of cooyerativeness with US services has
: been enhanced considerably by his feeling that he haa really been
1 taken for a ride by the opposition.

Incidentally, when we asked subject for permission to release this
information with source disclosure to the FBI, he was at firet some-
what epprehensive and expressed the desire to talk it over with one
of bis Bell superiors before he mide any commitments. He finally
: agreed, however, when We convinced him that it would certainly be in
{ his best interest to get on record vith the FBI as soon as possible.
: ' Yost of his apprehension about the FBI seemed to be attributable to
the fact that he has just been granted US citizenship and, in addition,
is now somevhat concerned that bie activities with the Sova in som
way ony effect hia security status which in turn could be very detri-
mental to his career.

: Based on our limited contact with Schroeder, we have every reason to
t believe that he would be suitable for operational use, should the
Bureau choose to pursue such a course.

i 14. We would strongly recommend that all of the above be passed
. to the Bureau ADAP in order that that organization may effect contact

with Schroeder snd provide him vith proper guidance concerning any
further approaches by Sov or Bloc nationale in this country.

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1 tu Musow asd Lonigred a4 the invitesion of D. Ovisutast,
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two : Chief, Contact Division DATR: 26 June 1963
Attn : Support (Shirley Stetson) 00-A- BIOb6IFTIZ

KOM Chief, New York Office

(Ni - 29553)

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1. During routine debriefing cf Donald E. Thomas of Bell Labora- |

tories in connection with his recent USBR visit to attend the Popov ,

Boctety Meeting, 5-14 May, Moscow (see NYOR 8878 for Coordination Out-

line)# subject mentioned having had recent contact with a Soviet dovern-

meant representative in this country. The Soviet in question identified

(-himself to Thomas as Gleb Aleksf-Pavlov and gave his address aa

. First Avenuc, Manhat yy

2. Acchrding to Thomas, his initial contact with Pavlov took

Place in late March following the International Convention and Bhow

“of the I.3.E.E., 25-29 March, New York City (see Case 39843). At the :

’ convention Thomas became friendly with two Soviet counterparts in

. attendance, A. V. Tiel and Anatole Trutka, both of whom Thomas invited

: to hia home for a social visit during ir US stay. When the Sovs
dayerted for"home following the convention, Thomas saw them off at New

‘ York International Airport. It was at the airport that he first met
Pavlov, who apparently was seeing off all of the Sov I.E.E.E. delegates.
After the Sov delegation had departed, Thouns and Pavlov returned to
Manhattan together and, on parting, exchanged addresses, .

3. A couple of weeks after their initial meeting, Pavlov tele-
phoned Thomas at his home and :told him that T4el and Trutka had asked
him to send their warmest regards to Thoms and thank him for the
honpitality which he ehoved them during their trip to this country.
During the conversation, Pavlov expressed an interest in renewing his
acquaintance with Thomas, and suggested that he would enjoy visiting
him at his home in Madison, New Jersey. Thomas said that he would
enjoy seeing Pavlov, but that he was currently preparing to leave on
a trip to the USSR and Hurope and was not scheduled to return to the
US until late May. Thomas suggested that, in view of this, perhaps
early June would be a good time for them to plan on getting together.
Pavlov replied that he, himself would be in the USSR then, but would
contact Thoma when he returned in early July: Incidentally, Pavlov's

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phone call to Thaaas vap made on a pay phone. In fact, when the opera-

“tor cut’ 1a for overtime, Thomas called Pavlov back at the pay phone.

Thomas mentioned that he _Poseibly might have the phone number written

4. after the phone call from Pavlov, Thomas called John
McVicker Of the State Department and inguired if any clearance of
Pavlov's proposed trip to his home in Madison would be necessary.
McVicker told Thoewas that any euch clearances were Pavlov's worry
and that he need not be concerned about. same,

3. During Ais recent trip to the USSR, it would appear that
Thomas was exposed to two incidents vhich possibly could have been
of opposition fabrication. One involved an approach by a Soviet
interpreter by the name of FU Petrov, who took Thomas aside and
asked him if he could do him a personal favor by getting him a sub-
scription to National Geograpsic Magazine for which he, Petrov, would

reimburse Thomas in rubles. Thomas politely refused. ft oseetey $30
est ese

6. The other incident jrvolved Tams beng tented with:

attractive young female Interpreter, Ludmilla Oshkina. According
to Thomas, when one of the Soviets in their party was about to take
4@ picture of hia standing next to Ludmilla, another individual stand-
ing nearby was pushed cut of the way apparently so that he would not
be included in the photograph. In addition, Ludmilla attempted to.
strike an affectionate pose with Thoms for the photograph by slipping
her arm through his. Thomas claims to have pushed her arm away dust

as the photo was being snapped.

7. Assesament of Thomas: Subject strikes us as being extremely
naive and unrealistic. He appears to be more apprehensive about his
dealings with CIA than his dealings with Soviets. In fact, when Thomas
was asked 1f he would mind if a tape recorder were weed for debriefing,
he became very nervous and expressed a fear that, if such a tape vere

(made, perhaps the Soviets might gain access to it and use it against
him in some way at a future date. :

Thomas had an outline in his own handwriting of the sessions of the |
Popov Society Meeting. When we asked for a photostat of same, he .
again expressed misgivings and indicated that he would prefer to have
a typewritten copy prepared for us instead of a copy in his own hand-
writing because he was fearful that it might fall into Soviet hands. .

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We inquired of Thomas why he had not mentioned Pavlov to us during our
@efensive briefing of him before his trip. He replied rather nebulously
that it was his understanding that it was company policy that our only
function in seeing him before hts trip wae to give him a defensive brief-
ing, and that, since no debriefing was involved at the time, he felt no
‘obligation to volunteer the information concerning Pavlov.

It 1a our opinion that Thowas's obvious naivite, apparent lack of sophisti-
eation, and. extreme apprehension concerning dealings with our Agency would
make him most unsuitable from the standpoint of operational utilization

dy the Bureau. —- :

8. We would strongly reccamend that all of the above be passed to
the Bureau ASAP in order that that organization may effect contact with
Thomas in time to provide him with proper guidance concerning any further
approaches by Pavlov or other Sov legals in US. oy

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