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met him, I only saw him on the TV a few months aso, he looks
like a broken man, he did that day anyway. But he was a very

mysterious, very --

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MR. OLSEN: To use the house term, he was a spook?

° : “MR. MARCHETTI: Yes. He was a very exotic character.
6 And ali kinds of stories £loat around about Jim Angleton. And
7 ? il. Iam sure that some are nothing more than apoéryphal and some
8 are pure rumor. . &
9 What intrigued me about this Runge thing is that
10 subsequently another reporter -- and this time the guy identi-
ii fied the man he had been talking to _- the man he had been,
3 12 talking to was Bill Harvey, who was one of the people respon~
é 13 sible for exposing Philby, in fact Philby.gives Harvey the
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15] : wes, the Agency -- to this reporter -- yes, the
16 n penetrated, it may even,be now -- he made some
WW nts of that nature; But’ then when the guy trie

18 to dig deeper, Harvey held him at arm's length.

« 19 _MR.-OLSEN: Who is Harvey?
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4 23 MR. OLSEN: Which Cuban taski force do you refer to
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2 25 - MR: MARCHETTI: Within the Agency, the Agency's own.

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Soviet cafectors and peoplw who claim

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well, aither way.

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tine, Usually I fidn't have anv direct dealings. They were

handled by the Clandestine Services. But vou would know the

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At this point you don't know if the guy was nuts all
along, and I don't know what the official thinking about it
at the Agency is.

But there have been anumber of others over the vears.

MR. OLSEU: How do vou spell his name.

MR. MARCHETTI:

These names are a matter of record. -YOu will have

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or not it comes within the charter of the CIA?

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cnowledqe on this subject.

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MR. MARCHETTI: I was in the Agency at the time that

happened, but IT knew practicaliy nothing about it in the Agency

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For one reason, I didn't pay any attention to it.. I had no

Yeason to. But it was after getting out of the Agency.

This hapnened to be a case wheref

apparently to this day claims
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feasons, because he didn't:see eye to eve with the

MR OLSEN: YOu don't know the story behind that, I

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know what the Adeney was doing. All IT know is that Helms
submitted some sort of affidavit which the judge accepted, and

on the

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seem to work properly except in the US. And I am wondering what
kind of use in the US vou might be aware of?

MR. MARCHETTI: That wasn't what I meant by that.
What I meant was, it worked good under laboratory conditions
here, but when I would take it out to the field, it wouldn't
‘work. .

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beams here in the US?
| MR. MARCHETTI: No, I was-not.
But that is that system that people are talking about
now, the laser people bugging system, where they can get a
building across the street there and direct a beam here and |
pick it up. It has become quite popular in recent years, at

least they talk about it.

MRovOLSEN: YOu mean in the. spy literature?

\RCHETTI: . Yes.

MRESSROETHE: . At page 196 you refer to monitoring of

embassy. traffic from Maryland and Virginia. ‘Were you referring

to CIA's activity in eae

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MR. ROETHE: ‘You are not aware of any CIA activity of

this. nature?

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MR. ROBTHE: There is one reference to breaking into,

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4 embassies at page 199. And there is no reference to any

5 | particular embassy.* Are you aware of any activity where the
6 | CIA was actually implicated in breaking into an embassy? You
. 9 have already talked about the Cilean Embassy. ¢
; 8 a MR. MARCHETTI: This was based on information that wa

9 availabe in the Houston Plan, which by that time had become
10 public. And also certain background information about |iehep

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clandestine abilities. And it was all rolled into one as a

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‘EY CIA were pressing for action against the KGB

as: the FRI was not doing a good enough job?
—_ ARCHETTI: Yes.
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ROETHE: Do you know of any actual operations tha

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