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JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
IDENTIFICATION FORM

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INSCOM/CSF

194-10007-10425

DOD-AFFILIATED PERSONNEL AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS
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DOCUMENT INFORMATION

USA
108TH MI GROUP

:. EXHIBIT

02/25/70

NAGELL, RICHARD C.

TRINKALA, VICTOR L.~

SWORN STATEMENT

TAPE RECORDING OF INTERVIEW
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
DISCHARGE FROM ARMY

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; WITNESS STATEMENT
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I, Room 1332,
New York, NY_ 10007

MIDDLE NAME

ecace 108th Mi Group, Regi
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SOCIAL SEC oURUT Y ACCOUNT NO,

Ve. ‘Trinkela, before we progeed, .
-of this interview. ..The United States Department of Army must be assured of,
character, suitability, . and unswerving loyalty to, the United States of per
ace Jn the United States Army and its Reserve component. In this regard,
have been asked to voluntarily undergo en inter
“background since you were discharged
reserves. This interview will provi
ntlof Ar ‘tly LO determine yp 8
“heave” just-said. tovyou?:
AS “Yess. .
Q...—Do you. have-eny-objection
ad | ee \\ ge .
Q. Please stand and raise your | pight hand, Do you eftirn to tell 4
whole truth and nothing but the truth? —
i Ae Yes, I so affirn.
| Q. Do you have any object tion to havin ww this interview tape recorded for
i tive purposes?. ee \y / “oO
Ae No, none whatsoevers' Voix ;
@ Please state your name, address of residence, occupation, name end address of

poneerning | Your
from active duty and a place ih the inactive
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sos pees woes

, - employer, and Social Security Account Number,
‘Ae My name is Victor Lee Trinkals end I reside at the Hotel Weods stock, Room 301,
} 0 127 West 43d. Street, Manhattan, New Yor ‘Ian currently unemployed. My Social

Security Account Number is 186 42 1155. .

| Q. What addresses have you resided et since your discharge? :

i Ae I dived at the Hotel Strand, 206 West (430 Street, Manhattan, New York for approx

mately two or three weeks after my discharge from the Army. . I then ‘moved to my
..., Suprent address and have resided there ever since.

Q. What-employment have you hed since your discharge?

| A. None. I collect a weekly unemployment check from New York State which pays fox

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bills.
Q. Did you come directly to New York City after your dischar
A. Yes.
Q. Mr Trinkala, have you ever had contact
or representatives of any foreien count
A. No, none that T know of. 5O4
Q. Have you or any member of your family ever been contacted by a representative of
a foreign intelligence service either here e-or abroe 2
A. No, none’ that T know cf.) | oo, ;
Q. Have you or any member of your. family ever been contacted by anyone w
_" than casual interest in your military assignnents,” career, or duties?

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Statement of TRINKALA, Vi

Vy ae ‘No, no one that I can recall. ;
If you were contacted by someone with a.more than casual interest in your

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nilitary a Signnents , career, or duties, what would you do?

I would report them'to the FBI, CIA, or the OID, ;
11 consider yourself to be a Consei

Do yous’ Mr. Trinkala,
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You do

Explain, if you will, Me. Trinkala.
T I do, not believe in killing someons for no
la Man because someone tells me to.

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reason.

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LO @ certain point.

are your Conscientious Objector grounds based upon?

I have religious and moral objections to killing people.

When were you discharged?
I was discharged on 3 December 1969,

What were the reasons given for your discharge?

‘Were you told. why you were discharged?

_Heve you ever assoc! tated owith th MY iss
ON@Q..00 Samer os ee, .
: Have: you ever

There were. several reesons involved. A fricnd of mine helped me
- charged.

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How did he help you obtain a discharge?

I do not know how he helped, or if, in fact, he did

What is your friend's name?

His name is Richard Nagel.

Where does Richard Nagel reside!

Ido not know where he lives. I have never
him personally. He is 4 friend ofa friend.
How did you become acqua

met him in person

ited Sth, Mp, Nagel.

I really cannot recall the reasons for ny discherg

Be.

“zi consider yoursel? to be a Conscientious Objector?
-I consider myself to be a Conscientious Objector t

etor Lee, taken et 108th MI Group, Region I, 26 Federel

Plaza, Room 7332, New York, .New York 10007, dated 19 February 1970, continued:

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entious Objector?

T just con not bring myself
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and do not know

Me, Nagel is actually the friend of Tony Muneer of whom I have known for three
or four years

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Where does Mr. Muneer reside and what is his

Tony Moneer resides at the Hote ot Hoodstock,
Have you ever resided in the same vesidence
discharge?

Yes, we both lived in the Hotel Strand, 206 }
York.
What was his occupation at that time?

He was working as a Desk Cle and going to
What was your occupation at that time

I.was working at the Clinton: Hotel, 19 West

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So, Mr. Muneer told you he would’ help you get

Yes, he said hé would sneak to a friend, Richer
“Did he ever te elt: you what he did to help you get

No.

been contacted by any indy

os dissident, . antissrmy, or ancl —war groups’

Ido et Tenowe

Bas. any person ever.asked you. to attend meetin

~ New York, He is employed there as a Desk Clerk.
with Mr.

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Statement of TRINKALA, Victor Lee, taken at {O8th MI Group, Region I, 26 Federal
~ Plaza, Room 1332, New York, New York 10007, dated 19 February 1970, continued:

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“Have you ever attended any meetings of any 4 dissident, anti-Army, anti-war

g& roups?

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- “Have you“ever been arrested.
“how
sthe Army and at Basic training.

‘About three-or four. times.

No, never. PL
Where were you stationed whil® in the Army? .
Iwas stationed at Fort Gordon, Georgia for approximately nine weeks during
which time I recetved Basic Training. I then went to Fort Polk, Louistanna,
for AIT training in the MOS 11570, I stayed at Fort Polk for approximately
10 weeks. I was then sent to Oakland Army Terminal with orders for Viet Nam
I wes discharged at Oskland Army Terminal on 3 December 1969.
Po you not remember the reasons for your discharge?

Yo, I do not remember the spescifie reasons.

How much time. had you spent in the Army?

I had spent five months and 22 days.

Did you not think it rather odd. thet you shovld be granted a discharge after
only five months and 22 days?

Yes, | thought it was odd but I did not know.what was happening.

Did you receive any cour eling whili he army from Army personnel?

Neo, but the Personnel Officer at Oakland Amy Termine asked me who Richard
Nagel was. .

Way did he ask you the identity of Richard Negel and what was-his name and

ren
I do not know why he asked me about Richard Nagel. He wes a Warrant Officer. mae

I do not remember his name or rank.

Wheat did you tell him about Mr, Nagel?

I told him only that he was e personal friend of mine.

Had you requested a discharge at any time prior to arriving at Oakland Army
minel? ;

Ido not recall.

You had never requested a discharge?
Iwas trying to get my combat status changed to non-combat status. I never
initiated any formal procedures to obtein a discharge.

Bid you ever tell any one that you were a Conscientious Objector?

Yes; I told the adjutant at Oakland Army. Terminal but he tore up my request
told’me to get the hell out.

Have you his name end rank? \
No, I do not cécall his name
Did Richard Nagel ever inention to you how he got you out of the Aimy?
No, as I mentioned before I have never seen him before or since. He ec

long distance from New York City while I was at Oaklend Army Terminal
was the first and last [heard from hin.

Noa

-Has Tony Muneer heard from him or does he know of his whereabouts?
No, Tony has not heard from him since December 1969 and does not know of Rich

Nagel's whereabouts. |

Have you ever been arres ed?
Yes. ° :

How many times?

4 a

No, and I ‘Listed. alll my arrests

a. had tO eu out before: ‘going i

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NO but most. of my friends. dé not. ike. the Army. 1 do not. know their reasons;
To what country do you owe your alle em lance? ; a ;
“The. United. States. .... re
Do you support the Constitution. of the United States end are you willing to
_ ,perdefent the United States against any and all of her enemies w Shout: exception? |
BU f support the Constitution and am willing to fight any enemies who invede the
United States bub I am not willing to fight. in Viet Nam because I believe the
wer is immoral, - : _
Q. If called upon to fight in Viet Nam would you go? ;
A.’ I would try to obtain Conselentions Objector status. If that did not work I do
not know what I would do, :
Q. Would you be willing to go on Active Duty if called upon?
A. I would not be willing to be called to Active Dut uy and. Ido not knew if I would
‘go if called.
Q. Why are you opposed to killing?
A. Iwas brought up to be opposed to: kil vane They wanted to teach me in
' “months to kill somebody and you cannot teach in four months sonething
cpposed to what you have been taught for many years.
@. Are these attitudes » to religious beliefs?
fa Yes, I am Catholic and do not believe in kitting.
if you had. to-kill someone im self-defense what would you do?
fe I would fight back but this is different then being placed in Viet Nam where
' I:would probably have to k#Ll.
Q. If you were in Viet Nam and vere under fire would you: ie
A. Yes, I would. ‘Any. human Deing would fight back.g 7
Q. If a foreign power attacked the United States would!
.f - the aggressor? -"\j /| *
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MOM SEAN INE PE OW SERA AY: AAR SSRN CNIS RN A OR REI RCE PENRSTTN Sa SRSNP ~ erent pnastanrte nanan seme

z =z HAD READ To ME THIS STATE
ERSTAND THE CONTENTS OF THE ENTIRE STATEMER

i Vi etor Lee Trinkale _
pMERT WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 1 AND ERDS ON PAGE
PMADE BY ME. THE STATEMENT IS TRUE. 1 HAVE IM 2D ALL CORRECTIONS AND HAVE IMITIALED THE BOTTOM OF EAC E
p CONTAINING THE STATEMENT. | HAVE MADE THIS STATEMENT FREELY WITHOUT KOPE OF BENEFIT OR REWARD, ¥ Wi THOU? THRE

OF PUNISHMENT, AND WITHOUT COERCION, UNLAWFUL INFLUENCE, GR UNLAWFUL IRGUCEMENT. = 4

Signature of Person Admisleteriag Case

Tomy re Me _PHERSON, Sneci

C4 al_Agent
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