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DATE : 08/19/75
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SUBJECTS : JMWAVE
CIA

OPERATION MONGOOSE

CASTRO, FIDEL

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Tuesday, August 19, 1975

” united States Senate
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Intelligence Activities
Washington, D.C.
The Committes met, pursuant to notica, at 1:25 o'clock p.m.
in Room 608, The Carroll Arms.
Staff: Frederick Baron, Joseph diGenova, Professional

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Mr. Baron. Mr. Halley, is it true that 'you are here

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Mr. Halley. That is correct.

Mr. Baron. Your true identity will be oh file with the
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Mr. Baron. It is your understanding, is ut not, that we
have worked out an arrangement with the review state whereby
the statement will be attached to your transcript as an Exhibit
and in a sanitized form, leaving out either of the two reference
to your true identity which will only be available at this

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Mr. Halley. hat is my understanding.

Mr. Baron. Are you aware that you have tha right to counse
before the Committee?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.

Mr. Baron. Are you appearing here, voluntarily here today
without counsel?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.

Mr. Baron. Are you also aware that at any point you are
entitled to cuase answering any questions and consult with
counsel if you wish?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I am aware of that.

Mr. Baron. Finally, are you aware that all your Constitu-

tional rights are intact before the Committea here today,

-including your Fifth Amendment rights to remain silent?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.

Mr. haron. I think we should put into the record the
arrangement that we made before we began, and correct me if this
is not your understanding of the arrangement, that we are

testifying here today without Placing you under oath hecause

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there is no Senator availabla for that purpose, but both you and
I are contemplating having a Senator swear you in and ask you if
| your’ transcript is true to the best of your knowledge at some
point a3 soon as possible as it can be arranged after today's
session.

Mr. Halley. Yes. The statement that you have just made
is my understanding of the agreement that we entered into prior
to this conversation going on the record.

Mr. Baron. Thank you. .

Let us: begin then with ‘some very‘broad questions: ~ -'-
about your background in the Agency. Can you tell me what you
Were doing in the Agency prior to your involvement with the
" IMWAVE Station? |

Mr. Halley. I became involved with the Cuban affair in
approximately February of 1962. At that time, I was in Head-
quarters. Iwas Chief of Foreiqn Intelligence Activities for th
Eastern European Division. I was asked to be raleased from thos
duties to conduct a survey of the opportunities for running
intelligence operations against Cuba. 1 was released from those
‘duties; I did engage in a survey of the possibilities for running
intelligence, counterintelligence, Paramilitary operations .
against Cuba.

Mr. Baron. Your position as Chief of Foreign Intelligence
for Eastern Europe did not involve Cuba in any way? -That was

your last position before you became involved in Cuban affairs,

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Mr. Halley. That is correct.

I want to qualify that. Undoubtedly, there were some
actions that were being conducted in tha Eastarn European area
that reflected on Cuba, but I was not involved in the Bay of Pig
Operation. I was not fully focused on Cuban operations until
approximately February of 1962.

Mr. Baron. At what point dia you join the Agency?

Mr. Halley. I joined the Agency originally in 1951.

Mr. Baron. In a very general way, can you describe the
nature of your activities at the Agency prior to February of '62

Mr. Halley. When I was first assiqned to the Agency, I was
an Army officer on active duty. I went through the usual Agency
training program. I was assigned to Eastern European activities
where I originally was focused on Polish and German operations.

I subsequently served from 1952 to 1959 in Germany.‘.In the
course of that. service, I spent most of my time working on the
Eastern European satellites, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary,

Romania, Bulgaria. “In addition, I was involved on occasion in

“Soviet operations and East German operations.

‘Mr. Baron. Did you have any involvement in Latin American
affairs prior to February of ‘62?
Mr. Halley. Yes. In the period 1960-62, I.was‘responsible
for setting up operational activity in Latin America that

was targetted more explicitly on the Eastern European satellites]

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to some extent on the Soviet Union. This was in a period of tim
where the Eastern European satellites were expanding thétr

Presence in Latin America. In my duties in the Eastern European

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Latin America, so I did have an extensive exposure to Latin

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travel records, and SO On,

Mr. Baron. During that Period of time you were actually

in Latin America helping to set up this Program?

Mr. Halley. No, I was Stationed in Washington, but I
travelled to Latin America during this particular Period of
time.

Mr. Baron. Did you travel to Cuba at any point during the
course of that operation? .

Mr. Halley. “Not specifically. I think I transitted Cuba
on air Stops being routed to various countries. I think I was
at One or two Cuban airfields, but simply in transit,

Mr. Baron. Not long enough even to talk to the people at

‘the Station in Cuba?

Mr. Halley. No, I had no contact at any time with the
Havana Station.

Mr. Baron. Did you pick up. during this period of time,
a general Sense of the attitude of Latin American governments

toward the Castro government? Could you characterize that

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attitude, if you did?

Mr. Halley. I certainly was aware, I think, of the broad
political trend in the Hemisphere at that time, my interest was
much more narrowly focused at that time on the Eastern European
targets, and on the Soviet target, and I wags not certainly
specializing in Cuban affairs at that juncture.

Mr. Baron. Cuba was not viewed at that juncture as part of
the Soviet target, as a Soviet satellite?’

Mr. Halley. No, it was not.

Mr. Baron. Coming then to February of '62, is that the
point at which you joined the JMWAVE Station in Miami?

Mr. Halley. No. When I first entered into this Survey,
it was to do this on a TDY basis, temporary duty assignment,
to complete a report on my findings, to report those at that
particular juncture to Mr. Harvey who was the head of the Task
Force that was attempting to expand intelligence coverage of
Cuba and I was not assigned to the station at that particular
Point in time.

‘Mr. Baron. At what point did you join the JMWAVE Station?

Mr, Halley. Shortly after having completes this survey.
These dates are blurred now because the survey soon turned into
a permanent assignment. I would have to check the exact dates
from my service records, but. after having completed the survey
Yeport, shortly thereafter I wag asked to go to Miami to become

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Mr. Baron. Would you assume that that wags sometime before
the end of May of ‘62?

Mr. Halley. Yes. It was probably before that, but as I
Say, there are a couple of weeks gap that we would have to look

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Could have been March, it could have been April: put 1 Yeserve,
you know, the right to check my record if that is a critical
point in terms of what you are trying to establish. |

Mr. ‘Baron. Certainly.

I should say generally at this point, if anything we cover
today gives you that kind of problem it would be immensely
helpful to us if you would check your. answers against. documents
that might be available in the CIA.

Mr. Halley. Yes, all right.

Mr. Baron. In fact, let me ask you if you would check tha
One out, because it would be useful to know exactly when you
joined the JMWAVE station.

During the period of time before you joined JMWAVE, while
you were conducting the survey, did you report to anyone other
than William Harvey?

Mr. Halley. In a formal Sense, this TDY was conducted on

behalf of the task force commander, who was Mr. Harvey. While

I was in Miami conducting the Survey, I obviously discussed

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charge of the operational activity in Miami. That team was

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Mr. Baron. Was that team the equivalent of JMWAVE station?

Mr. Halley. Yes. Mr. Cox was the head, then, of what woul
be the equivalent of the JMWAVE Station,

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Mr. Baron. Was he the head of IMWAVE until the mint when
you replaced him, or until the point you became Chief of the
IMWAVE Station?

Mr. Halley. That is correct. -He was the head of that
unit until such time as I replaced him.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware during this survey that you

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Mr. Halley. My understanding at the time that I conducted
this survey was that there was a three-man group in existence
which was headed by Mr. Robert Kennedy that was conducting a
“survey to see what kind of activities could be conducted against
Cuba. The other members of that particular group were General
Lansdale and Mr. Helms.

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know the exact words you used. I am not familiar with that
terminology.

Mr Baron. . During the whole period of your involvement
with JMWAVE, you were not made aware of Project MONGOOSE as

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recall it as an acronym, cxryptonym or anything else that was in
common usage in my conversations. ©

’ Also, you have to understand that during that particular
time, Mr. Harvey was subordinate to the normal Agency chain of
command. In other words, he had parallel lines, if you will.

There was this three-man Task Force to whom he was reporting

regularly. At the same time, as the Task Force Commander, he

was reporting to the then-DDP who was Mr. Helms.

Mr Baron. You began your survey just about the time that
Mr. Helms replaced Mr. Bissell as DDP?

Mr. Halley. That is right.

‘Mr. Baron. Were you aware of the command relationship

‘between the three-man group that you have mentioned and William

Harvey as head of Task Force W? Did that group task Harvey
directly, or did Harvey's assignments have to come through Helms
and through the DCI as opposed to this group that did not includ
the DCI?

Mr. Halley. ‘My understanding of it at the time was we were

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really talking about parallel lines. In other words, this
three-man group was meeting. Mr. Helms wag both a member of
that particular group and the DDP. Therefore, when he came back
from one of these Meetings and issued instructions to Mr. Harvey
it was, you know, tantamount to these things coming through two

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‘force and tha other instruction simultaneously coming from Mr.

Helms who was the DDP.

Mr. Baron. As far as Mr. Harvey was concerned, an assiqn-
Ment or order from Richard Helms .was an order to be taken at
face value? ‘Harvey did not hava to question whether it had the
Stamp of approval from the DCI or not? Would that have been
your operating understanding? .

Mr. Halley. That would have been my understanding, yes.
Certainly an instruction received from Mr. Helms was a valida
Agency instruction. . .

Mr. Baron. The DCI at this point was John McCone.

Mr. Hallay. That is correct.

Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of the relationship

‘between this three-man group and John McCone at that point?

Mr. Halley. Not on a day to day basis. Once I went to
Miami, I came back on a regular basis to review operational
plans and programs. On one occasion I accompanied Mr. McCone
to the White House to give a presentation or sit in while the

presentation was being made.

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Mr. Baron. Where was this? What was the forum in which
the presentation was made.

Mr. Halley. This was a meating with President Kennedy and
other members of ‘the then-Cabinet were present at that particula
maeting.

Mr. Baron. Was that a Cabinet meeting or. was it a Special
Group meeting as a sub-unit of thea National Security Council?

Mr. Halley. You know, that happened in 1962. This is
1975. I do not recall then with precision as to whether it was
a meeting of the Cabinet or whether :it was a meating of the
National Security Council, or whether it was & meeting of the
Spacial Group. .

Mr. Baron. That:is perfectly understandable. Do you recal
which Cabinet members were present at that meeting?

Mr. Halley. . Yes.. My recollection of that was that Mr.
McNamara was present, Mr. Rusk was present, Mr. Kennedy, the
Attorney General, was present. You know, I am just vague now
at this particular point. Those are the ones that stick out in
my memory as being present.

Mr. Baron. Was the DCI present?

Mr. Halley. Yes, the DCI was present, and he gave a
portion of the Presentation. As I recall, Mr. FitzGerald gave
the other portion of the presentation.

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Chief of Task Force W?

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of our Task Force Were that it was Harvey, then FitzGerald,

then Scraber, after that, Hart, f Served with all’ four of those

took over, you know, when FitzGerald left and Screber took Over
and so forth, This is Something that I would havea to research

to give you the precise dates,

This was a general review of activities that

were being Conducted against Cuba,

Mr. Baron, Was there any Mention of any assassination
effort at that Meeting?

Mr. Halley. No, there was not.

Mr. Baron. You were attending at that point in Connection

with the Survey you conducted?
Mr. Halley. No. I was attending at that point as the

Station Chief from Miami in order to make a contribution to the

“issues that Were being discussed, to the fact that detailed,

substantive back-up for whatever questions might be Put to the
Agency Spokesmen. I mada reference to that because you asked
ma if I knew the relationship between Mr, McCone and this
three-man group. I said no, ona day-to-day basis I dia not

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like Mr. Kennedy, the Attorney General, who was & member of that
group. .

Mr. Baron. Wera you aware that that group might have gone
by any particular name or dasignation?

Mr. Hallay. No, I am not.,

Mr. Baron. You are not familiar with the term Special
Group?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.aware of the term Special Group.

.T am aware that the chronology of the 303 Committee, Special

Group, 40. Committea and so forth, but as I mentioned to you
earlier, that particular time, I cannot distinguish between
whether this Was an ad hoc meeting or this was a Special Group
Meeting, or what it was.

Mr. Baron. Did you assume at that time that the three-man
group that you referred to, ‘including- the Attorney ‘General,
General Lansdale and Richard Helms, had a formal Yelationship
to this larger Special Group? In other words, was that three-

Man group a kind of decision-making sub-unit of the Special

“Group, or do you think it operated entirely independent from

the National Security Council structure.

Mr. HNalley. 1 do not think I can give you an authoritative’
answer to that. I would go back to what I Previously told
you. When I entered into this Project in February of '62, the

chain of command that I was familiar with was this three-man

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group in constant contact with Mr. Harvey. The second chain

of command, Paralleling that, wag Mr. Harvey raporting to the

DDP and the DpP subsequently reporting through his chain of

“command to the Director, and that would be the Only way that

I could characterize that with any accuracy.

Mr. Baron. Did those two chains of command continue. .
as the channels of decision-making and tasking when you were -.-
or during your tenure as Chief of Station.at -JMWAVE?

Mr. Halley. That relationship changed, and again I do
not have the date at my fingertips at what time that changed.

I know that shortly thereafter I was'in Miami, General
Lansdale came down to visit me, to talk with me, about tha
Progress that was being made in the operational program. At
some point after that, this three-man group for all intents
and purposes disappeared. General Lansdale was reassigned;
the group broke up; subsequent reviews of the program were made
at the Special Group level. As an example, we would have to
submit every month the number of operations that we were going

to run, such as infiltrations into Cuba through what would be

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"paramilitary means, and these were approved by the Special

Group. There was an approval procedure for setting those up,
so subsequently the three-man group disappeared and the regular
mechanism of the Special Group came into play.

Iam sorry, I cannot give you a precise date for that

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have the date because the Agency has been Fesearching all sorts
of material for you. I feal that you would just have to get
those dates for the record.

Mr. Baron. We can do that.

Would you say that every major operation that you undertook
at JMWAVE would have been approved by the Special Group or at
least they would have been put on notica of the nature of any
major operation that you were Planning?

Mr. Halley. Why do you not define for me what you consider
to be a major Operation so we do not get into, you know, a
Problem? Ifyou feeE ‘that you cannot.do ‘that tw 4.

Mr. Baron. Perhaps we can'turn it around and say, could
you characteriza the kinds of operations generally that you
would refer to this three-man group initially, ze the Special

Group later, for their approval, or at least to put them on>

‘notice,.. the kinds that you might not refer and instead procee

unilaterally?
Mr. Halley. Initially, the three-man group was seized

with the problem of conducting the survey of what could be

“done against Cuba. As soon as that was more or less agreed ©

upon, my understanding of this, as I told you, thre three-man
group was disbanded or atrophied or went on to other things
and then the formal mechanism came in for approval, that is,

the Special Group. As Procedures. became more formalized, we

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In other words, if we were going to run an oper. tion that
Was going to be a cache replacement in the Cuban mai land, that
had to be put in, say in our October Schedule, that ctobar
Schedule had to be submitted to the Washington Headquarters so
they could make it available to the Special: Group somatima in
September. So I would regard a cache, say the lowest kind of
Operation in terms of Sensitivity, and then you could move up
from team infiltrations that had to ba approved in advance,
resupply missions, Paramiltary Operations against fixed instal-
lations would all be approved,

Mr. Baron. If there had been any Operation with the
assassination of Fidel Castro, or other high Cuban government
leaders as its objective, would such an operation havé been
referred to either the three-man group or later the Special
Group,

Mr. Halley. If such 4n operation had been proposed. from
Miami, it would have had to have gone through that particular |

process.

Mr. Baron. Your answer seems to indicate that only

Operations that originated at the JMWAVE. Station would} be

referred up for approval. Is that correct?
Mr. Halley. That is the kind of activity that I have
firsthand knowledge of. When I became the Station Chief, I told

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either June or July of ‘65. That was my stovardaniog
my involvement in the Cuban operation.
During that particular Period of tima, my firsthand knowled e

of these @vents would be, if that kind of operation ‘ere ‘to go

it would have had to hava been some formal action taken. If it
were something that certainly would -~ for some reason might not
be committed to Paper, somebody may have wanted to discuss it
orally from Miami, the chain of command would have been from me
to whomever was the head of the Task Force in Washington, or
later, when the Task Force became reintegrated into e Western

Hemisphere Division, I would have had to talk to the Chief of

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Mr. Halley. I have no firsthand knowledge of that, thera-
fore I am-trying to restrict myself to those things that I have
‘personal knowledge of. In other words, that is the kind of
thing that I think you should talk to, you know, those! who were
involved directly, because I think you can talk to Mr.fj Harvey
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two days ata ‘time when there was always a full agé da of events
to be discussed that related to the Station in Miam + I did not
carry here, I did not engage, you know, in idla cohversation wit
my associates. Therefore, I wag not aware of the. fixstnand
situation of how they conducted business ona sust: ined basis

on items that did not ‘immediately impact on Miami.

Mr. Baron. Do you have any Personal. knowledge of any
operation run out of the JMWAVE Station that could be construed
as an assassination effort? i

Mr. Halley. No, I do not.

Mr. Baron. Do you have firsthand knowléedga ofjany operatio
run out of Florida-with CIA involvement that could @ construed
as an assassination effort?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not have any firsthand k owledge.

You also have to put this in a historical Perspective. In
other words, from what I have read in the Press since then,
obviously I could put certain things together. You are asking

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‘knowledge -at that particular time?

Mr. Baron. Exactly.
Mr. Halley. The answer to that is no, I did not,
You also have to put yourself in the historical context of

that particular time. Thousands of refugees were coming out of

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Any number of these people had plans or ideag for changing the
situation in Cuba, among those {fdeas for changing the situation
in Cuba were plans to assassinate any number of people in Cuba.
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So I do not. want to leava you with the impression that the
word assassination never cama across my radar screen, “bat we
are talking about, and my answer was geared to a Planned opera-..
tion by CIA,

Mr. Baron. Or with CIA involvement of any sort?

Mr. Halley. CIA involvement? I know of no operation that
was a planned ‘operational activity, you know, for the sole
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away of life, where restaurants and coffee houses abound ‘with
conversation about how to run a.coup. In the running of a coup,

one of the things that People talk about is how do you control

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Mr. Baron. Are you saying: that:you are not aware of any‘
operation, which: could: have had as one of its subsidiary objec-
tives, whether the primary objective or not, the assassination
of Fidal Castro, Raul Castro, or Che Guevara, which was run with
CIA involvement?

Mr. Hallay. I would like fo Phrase that question slightly
differently, because I think, you know, you hava Several things
tiled together. 1 would lika to answer your question this way.

During my tenure in Miami, I did not Put forth any Proposal
to mount an assassination Operation. In other words, there
was no formal plan, I did not put forth any operational proposal
along this line.

Secondly, I am not aware of any assassination plans being

put forth, you know, by Mr. Harvey or by anyone else at that

Particular time. That is the way I would prefer to answer that.

Mr. Baron. What kind of problem did you have with the
question as it was -asked?

Mr. Haliey. Well, you lumped a number of things together.

‘I am trying to separate these out. In other words, you put in
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there a secondary or tertiary consideration.

Mr. Baron. Right, I am interested in that.

Mr. Halley. That is what. bothers me, because I did not
put forth any plans. On. the other hand, I do not want to be

held responsible for such things as CIA being in touch with a

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paramilitary group in Cuba whosa primary mission was the
collection of intelligence, whose S@condary mission might be to
Organize a resistance and, unbeknownst to me, might have had
their own ideas which were never consulted with us, you know,
never discussed with us, through the communications channels
that we had, who may have been thinking, May have planned, and
may have attempted, to implement dssasaination Operations.

I do not feel under the command and control machanism that
existed that I could exercise through the Station over such a
situation that 1 could be held responsible for that. Therefore,
I cannot accept your question on the Secondary or tertiary
situation because I have no knowledge of those. You May have
Some knowledge and you can confront me with some statement by
some Cuban who said that this was Part of his mission. I have
to look at that at the time. .

Mr. Baron, We will go Over some statements, but in trying
to recover this ground one more time, I think it is important
to distinguish an attempt to pin the responsibility on you,
which I am not trying to do by my questioning --

Mr. Halley. That is a complicated question.

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attempt to simply bring out your knowledge and any awareness
that you may have had of any kind of operation that had assassi
tion as one of its objectives, and also involved the CIA to

any éxtent. That is what I am asking you for.

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Mr. Halley. Right, and I will stand by my answer; that is,
I put forth: no plans, I know of no plans put forth, you know,
during my tenure in Miami in which . assassination was part of
the operational rationale. You know, the Only way we can clarif
this perhaps to your satisfaction is to discuss gome specifics,
If you are Prepared to talk about specifics, maybe I can deal
with those within the framework of that general statement that
I made, you know. I know how Cubans talk. I know the rumors
that have existed over the years. I simply do not want to be
identified with any action conducted by some group over which
I had no knowledge or control. That. ig my kay point.

Mr. Baron. TI. think that answers it for now, and wa will
cover some specifics later,

One more question on this dual chain of command: On the
One hand, the Agency chain of command from the DDP to Harvey
to you at JMWAVE, and on the other hand, the three-man decision
making group consisting of the Attorney General, Lansdale and
Helms. Would you say in the early days that this three-man

group appeared to you to be in control of tha decision making

‘before the Special Group stepped in, that decisions were made
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in a lass formal way than they were later under the Special

Group?
Mr. Halley. I really could not address myself to that.
In other words, I never sat in on a Meeting of the three-man

group. In other words --~

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Mr. Halley. My requirements fer reporting really stemmed
in the early days from Harvey. If there were any special
requirements, he was taking “them: from -the -three-man group and
translating them and, in fact, much of the system of Feporting

in those early days was Jenerated by me and‘ what<I' thought. ~.

Was required to keep Mr. Harvey as a Task Force Commander

‘fully informed. I think that you undoubtedly know from the

Yecord that I worked for Mr. Harvey prior to 1962 and therefore
I was familiar, you know, with his style of Operation and though;
I had a clear understanding of what he needed in an informationa
Sense. So when I went to Miami, I organized much of the
Teporting flow upward, if you will, from the field unit to
Headquarters.

Mr. Baron. Had you worked for Me. Harvey in Germany?

Mr. Halley. -Yes, © had.

Mr. Baron. In Berlin?

Mr. Halley. Yes, sir.

Mr. Baron. This was On the famous and Successful tunnel
Operation?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not deserve any credit for the tunnel
Operation. That is Mr. Harvey's activity. He kept that vary

tightly compartmented and in the days when that Was going on, I

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Mr. Baron. You were aware of Mr, Harvey's style of
operating?

Mr. Halley. Yes, 1 worked with him -- r think the date is
Somewhere'.in June or July of "54 to Somewhere in '59, TI would
have to look that up in the record, the exact date,

Mr. Baron. Bat you say you not Only had a close working
relationship with Mr. Harvey, but you came to be a Personal
friend of his?

Mr. Halley. ‘Yes, T would like to say I am a Personal frien
of Mr. Harvey.

Mr. Baron. Returning to your Statements about the chain
of command, YOu seem to be saying that Mr. Harvey served as the
funnel for both of these chains of command; as far ag you were
concerned, you Yeceived directives from him, whatevar the source
may have been originally, is that correct? .

Mr. Halley. Correct.

I want to make a Point. Insofar as the three-man group was

concerned, I would see Helms in his role as the ppp in the three

‘man group. I would See Lansdale ~- as 1 told you, Lansdale came

down to visit me in Miami on one occasion. He cama as part of
that. three-man group. But my chain of command ,during my
visit was still from me to Harvey, Lansdale .was down there,
I was to be, you know, straightforward, candid, discuss Plans,

Programs, problems. But r received my orders and instructions

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the control of money and 80 forth was vested in the Task Force

Commander, Mr. Harvey,

Therefore, I never dealt with this three-man group as a

body. I dealt with the individuals, you know, and various

mutations.
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Mr. Baron. Would you say that the three-man group had a
less formal, more ‘free-wheeling style of decision making, “/
there was a real change in the rigor with which you. were require
to report after the Special Group took over?

Mr. Halley. 1f would have to say that the total reporting
became more formalized the longer we stayed in business. 1
cannot ascribe this to the difference of style of the three~man

Group aS opposed to the Agency chain of command or subsequent

with the requirements of the Special Group. This evolved from

“a body of experience that was gained as the operation was

established and got some experience.
So I would not want to characterize that as being a result
of the groups.

Mr. Baron. You did not..have any problem with the propriet

“of the three-man group in the early stages?

Mr. Halley. No, I had no Yeason to believe that it was
not a duly constituted body. In other words, thezt. officers tha
I reported to,in that particular case, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Helms,
Were my chain of command at that particular point, were the

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that body.

Mr. Baron. Who. briefed you on the existence of the body?

Mr. Halley. My recollection of the initial briefing was

Harvey.

Mr. Baron. Do you recall how he described that three-man
group and the responsibilities?

Mr. Halley. No, This was 1962, and this is 1975. Ags
you know from my records, these intervening years have been
very activa for me, therefore, I do not remember with precision
that conversation in all of its details, 1 do recall my first
briefing on the existence of this three-man group being from
Harvey.

Mr. Baron. You mentioned that General Lansdale might
occasionally meet with you personally. This is in Miami, at
JMWAVE Station?

. Mr. Halley. I can only recall at this Point one Specific
Meeting where he came down to Florida in Miami to visit,

Mr. Baron. What was the substance of that meeting?

Mr. Halley. He was given some briefings by my stafe on
their areas of Specialization, whether it was foreign intelli-
gence collection, whether it was maritime activities, or whether
it was paramilitary activities. I spent a lot of time with him.
personally, talking about where we stood, where we were making

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Problen-oriented type of conversation.

Mr. Barony. . What period of time would you place this in?

Mr. Halley. Probably sometime. in the surimer of ‘62,
because my family was already in Miami at that point, and when
I first went to Miami my family was not with me. I think my
wife joined me in Miami Sometime in the summer of ‘62, you know,
I would have to reSearch that. It is obviously available from
the records as to when my family moved and a permanent change
of station.

Mr, Baron: Was there any discussion Whether direct or
indirect of assassination of Cuban leaders during your meetings
with General Lansdale?

Mr. Halley. I do not Yecall any such conversations. You
know, I think that from «my point of view, wa are off a little
bit on this Perspective I would like to try to focus on the
Perspective for you in the historical setting.

Mr. Baron. Please do.

Mr, Halley. I think by your questions and your interest,

“you are narrowly focused on this assassination thing, but let

Me turn that around a bit, and let me put it in My context at.
the. time which May help you understand my answers.
Mr. Baron. Before you do, can I stop you for one moment?

I would like to get back on the track that we originally

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and the context at that time. coulda I ask Just a. couple of
specific questions before we do that, about the three-man group
that you raised, and then give you a full opportunity to pull py
eut—-of what we have said so far and everything ‘that: will follow
into context.

Did you have any individual Meetings with Robert Kennedy,
who was then-Attorney General?

Mr. Halley. You mean individual, one on one?

Are you saying did I have & maating,-a personal, private
meeting with xthe Attorney.Genéral? . .:t poten,

“-.. ME. Baron. Yas.

Mr. Halley. The answer to that is no.

Mr. Baron. Did you hava any meetings with the Attorney
General of any sort during this Period of time?

Mr. Halley. _I mentioned to you earlier that at this meetin
that I went to with Director McCone, the Attorney General, Mr.
Robert Kennedy, was Present at that White House briefing. He
did ask some questions, which I do not remember what the

questions were at this particular point in time. I answered

“some of those questions that were put during the course of that

Particular presentation. Throughout that whole period of time,

“that was the only, if you will, direct contact with him that

I can remember. You know, unless you can show me something.
Mr. Baron. During the entire period that you wera

involved with JMWAVE?

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Mr. Halley. That is right.

Mr. Baron. At that meeting -- again, I realize what we
are doing is an fsolation, out of context -- at that meeting that
you attended, with the Cabinet members and the President, was
there any discussion either directly or indiractly or by means
of any circumlocutions:..of tha subject of assassination?

Mr. Halley. Not that I can recall,

You know, my recollection of that meeting is, wa want to it
en masse, the first -~-you know, Director McCone, myself,

Bruce § ever, several other people who went. We went in
Several cars. We went to the meeting, the Cuban issue was the
first item on the agenda. As I recall the thing, the Cuban
thing was over after this period of time. We, the technocrats
left, the Director John McCone stayed on. You know, during my
Presence at the meeting there was nothing discussed about
assassinations.

Mr. Baron. Was there any such discussion between yourself
and John McCone or Richard Helms at any point?

Mr. Halley. I never recall discussing assassinations with

‘John NcCone. Now, in terms of discussions with Richard Nelms,

these were conversations.in which atmospherics in Miami and

problems:like’ that would be discussed, and I am‘sure somewhere
in some of these Conversations the mood of the community, the
subject of assassinations undoubtedly came un. This was part

of the life of that particular period.

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I cannot remember a specific date, you know, some time at
which that was discussed, and you know I never received any

instruction from Helms to mount an assassination operation,

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Mr. Baron. Again, I am not trying to unfairly pull these
kinds of «conversations out of their historical context. Before
we flesh out the historical context, do you have any recollectio
of the manner in which assassination might have come up between
yourself and Helms?

Mr. Halley. Again, I put it in this overall context of
the times. We «were.running Foreign .Intelligéiée:collectton in
operationswagainstGuba with classical agent -méans.» We-wate- tun ing
collection against Cuba through paramilitary teams. We were
involved in paramilitary operations that could be described as
commando raids. ‘Those were the kinds of activities.

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the Cuban penchant for it had to come up. I cannot pinpoint --

Mr. Baron. You do not recall any reference of means to
be used or people to be involved?

Mr. Halley. No. Even such things as discussions of
various kinds of weapons, you know, people, as you probably
know from this experience, every individual who deals with

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of the weapon for the Cuban to carry, because many of them were
quite small. In this context, People would discuss what is

the range, can a guy use it to shoot somebody at a particular
range? Is this an assassination weapon? Is this a qood weapon
for close combat? .

Therefore the term assassination was just a part of the life,
of the fabric at that time. That is what I am trying to get
across. I just cannot acticulate any more eloquently than
that.

Mr. Baron. I think you are being quite eloquent and
extremely informative. You mentioned that the phrase assassina-

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Mr. Baron. Was the capacity of a weapon to be used as
“an assassination weapon among other uses a desirable capacity?

In other words, was that phrase used positively?

Mr. Halley. No, it was not. It is the kind of thing
that weaves itself into, you know, a conversation.

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Mr, Baron. The technology of assassination and targetted
shooting, are you referring to -- when you say assassination
weapon -- to a weapon generally capable of targetted shooting?

Mr. Halley. In this particular context, I think most
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discussing assassination, was the kind that would have to be
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that kind of a Person. That-was- not his psychological make-up.
Ha tends to want to live, to enjoy life, to talk about his
accomplishment. Therefore, while they werg brave and dedicated,
they were the kind of People who would Probably engage in
something like this in the context of using tha Sniper weapon
as a vehicle for assassination, long distance.

Therefore, in this context you are talking about range, you

know, one of the key factors becomes what is the accurate range

of a weapon if firea by. an expert marksman, Therefore, that is

_the kind of thing that would go into, you know, discussions of

Weapons.

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range and low muzzle Velocity, was this ever discussed in the
context of shooting Fidel Castro or other key Cuban leaders as
opposed to targetted shocting on a commando raid.

Mr. alley. Iocan recall, you know, no conversation in
which it was narrowly focused on the question of Fidel Castro.

“Mr. Baron. Let us go back, then, to putting this all

-into historical context. Iam going to ask you if you can

explain more about the structure of the JMWAVE Station, both
the channels vwupward .: from you to the Agency and the Special
Group and the channels downward from you to your Operatives,

if in the course of explaining the structure, you would like to

make some comments about the historical context, that would be

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Mr. Halley. I think what I would like to do is to try to

put this into some perspective,

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The perspective really starts with the failure of the Bay
of Pigs Operation. After the failure of the Bay of Pigs, the
Kennedy Administration wanted another look taken at the problem
of Cuba. In order to get that other look started, the Kennedy
Administration created this threa-man task force or this three-
Man group and wanted to see what else could ba done against
Cuba, and that is when I came into this problem in February of
"62.

Mr. Baron. Is it possible that the three-man group that
you are referring to is actually the Robert Kennedy-Maxwell
Taylor Board of Inquiry into the reasons for the failure of the
Bay of Pigs Operation?

Mr. Halley. This three-man group stemmed out of that
inquiry. What its relationship was to the inquiry, I do not kno, .
because I was not involved and I never had an opportunity once
I plunged into this job, to go back and read those historical
“documents. You know, I am sure thera is a Maxwell Taylor Repor tl,
and so forth; but I have never read it.

All right.

Therefore, my first task wher I became involved in this
was the task of coming up with an operational plan to see what

kinds of intelliqence could be collected in Cuba, so that by

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collecting this intelligence, an assessment could be made based
on hard facts as to what could be done against Castro. In other
words; the difference here was that People thought that the Bay
of Pigs operation was not soundly grounded in intelligence.
Therefore, this was an attempt to start the collection of -
intelligenca to sea what could be done.

In order to collect intelligence at that particular time,
it was beliaved that all avenues of approach should be used,
so that meant classical foreign intelligenca operations,
counterintelligence Operations, the debriefing of refugees, and

the usa of Paramilitary means to put teams into Cuba to collect

‘intelligence on that part of the island that could not be

covered by what you would call the More classical means of
foreign intelligence collection.

As the program was started essentially by me or accelerate
by me, we in fact got caught up with the Cuban Missile Crisis -
that is, the advent of the Soviet intervention into Cuba -- and
our whole effort shifted to covering that Soviet build-up in

Cuba, and this was an integral part to our having datectead the

“Soviet build-up and the United States government taking the

actions which they did, that is, to verify this.

- there Was a great problem for a while when we Were all
talking about hard intelligence, the ‘President, John Kennedy,
‘was telling us, give us hard intelligence. We thought we were

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photograph. He never articulated that to ua in those terms,

uThen..we got caught up into the aybball to eyeball confron-
tation of the Cuban Missile Crisis. When that was over, we
got caught up with the problem of monitoring. the disengagement.
of the Soviet presence in Cuba . That took us up through sometim
inte early '63.

Then we took a look again, because we knew an awful lot
More about them than we had when we started in February of '62,
to see what could be done against Cuba, and it was clear at
that point that no external invasion was going to be possible,
because that was something that was excluded by the Khruschev-
Kennedy agreement and then it was not feasible. In any event,
therefore it was a question of what could be done. So we were
collecting intelligence to continue to stay ontop of the
situation. We were attempting to establish contacts with the
military establishment in Cuba to see if there was any: force
that was opposed to Castro within the military establishment

that would be used to alter the situation and continue to see

“whether there were any economic Pressures that could be brought

“Cuba that would accelerate the whole problem of creating
an environment in which a resistance could be created on an
island.

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when the United States and Russia reached an egreement that no

external invasion of Cuba would take Place, did you turn
primarily to the ways and means of finding a dissident group
within Cuba that might be capable of overthrowing Castro,
number one, and number two, of finding means of undermining
the economic strength of the Castro government,

Mr. Halley. In addition, we were continuing to support
certain elements of resistance, you know, that were still there
that were not in the Army.

Mr. Baron. What kinds of elements ware those?

Mr. Halley. These were paramilitary forces that were in
Cuba, that we had put in or established contact with, or people
who Were already in the bush who we had already established
contact with or they had established contact with us, and we
were providing them with food, weapons and so forth so that they
could survive. So that it was a multifaceted approach at that
Particular time.

That went on from the middle of '63 until the middle of

‘65, and these are two distinct phases of this operation. In

“effect, One, 4 survey, and two, the Missile Crisis and its

post-mortem, and then the next phase was the continuation of
intelligence collection, the working or taking the sounding with
military dissidents, economic pressure, and working with
natural dissident elements that were still on the island.

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into these various timeframes. When ‘you talk about, was there
ever a discussion of assassination, you know, when people
Were coming out and being interviewed, yes, some Cuban refugee
would say, by God, I would like to go back and shoot, you know,
X, Yor Z. It might have been some commandante in his particu-
lar area; it could have been Fidel Castro. This was just part
of the fabric of the times.

Mr. Baron. Can we turn now to the structure of the JMWAVE
Station and explain that a bit? Ilow large was the Station?
What was the command. structure within the Station?

Mr. Halley. The Station started expanding in whatever
timeframa it was, somewhere after the survey was completed, It
must have started expanding sometime in March of 1962. You
know, by the time that it was at its peak, which was probably
Somewhere just before the Cuban Missile Crisis, July, August
of 1962, it was either the largest or the second largest -- my
recollection was that it was the second largest station in
existence at that time. I would not want to be pinned down on
a particular number of People on any particular day.

Mr. Baron... Could you give some idea as to the number of
employees at the Station during its peak?

Mr. Halley. I would say somewhere in the neighbordhood of,
you know, {feng manda j, YOu know, again, this means staff and
contract employees.

Mr. Baron. What do you cover with the term contract

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employees?
Mr. Halley. These would be, for instanca, maritime casa

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that they could ‘manage a serias of vessels for us, -but they
Were not longterm staff employees. These would be people who

would be used, if you will, in a Management organization, basic

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implementation of the program.

Mr. Baron. Did you have other agents or operatives amonq

the Cuban community or outside the Cuban community that were
affiliated with the Station although not employed by it
directly?

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its activities.
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When I talk about tha Station, as such, I would say that
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People who were not knowledgeable necessarily of whom thay
worked for or whera the cover offices wera located and so forth.
Let us say, in the maritime part of the Operation we might have
had at any one point in time, you know, up to five hundred
People involved in maritime activities, you know?

Again, if you pick a date, I am sure we can research it.
The records are still availahle and you know how many People
we had, but let us take these five hundred. What am I talking
about? Thesa would be essentially Cubans who were. the captains
of the vessles that were used in infiltration operations to
Put people on ‘the shore of Cuba, and there were a variety of
techniques. In other words, you might start on with the mother
ship, which would be an LCI -- I am not sure how familiar you
are with various kinds of vessels.

Mr. Baron. What is an LCL?

Mr. Halley. Landing craft kind of vessle, or a patrol

-craft, a PC, 110-foot vessle, that would be a mother ship.

This is the kind of ship that would take fuel supplies and
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"So you might start with an operation of a mother ship towing a

smaller boat, or having it on its decks and going down to
fifteen or twenty miles from Cuba, putting the smaller boat
Over the sida, which was a faster boat, lower silhouette, less
likely to be picked up by Cuban coastal radar, and then that

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put them into rubber rafts, where they would paddle in or use
a silent outboard motor if the surf was high.

Mr, Baron. The people involved in manning those crafts
would not necessarily be employees of the Station directly?
They might be agents, even non-paid agents?

Mr. Halley. No, they were not paid. For instance, they
might work for a particular cover éompany . In other words, I
am only using this as an example. Let us say we had the ABC
Shipping Company. That shipping company was a subsidiary of

the Station, if you will,and the ABC Shipping Company ran

maybe one LCI and maybe two or three smaller boats which it

could deck load and that company might have fifty or seventy-

five employees, as an example, all Cubans, maybe some of them

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‘was Nicaraguans or Costa Ricans as most of these vessels -- I

would have to go and look at each vessel.

Does that give you a feel for the size of the problem?

Mr. Baron. How many such companies would have been in

existence at that time, companies oparating as CIA proprietaries

or companies in cover and supplying the JMWAVE Station with

.personnel or with equipment?

Mr, Halley. We are talking about all of these companies,
they probably went up into the hundreds. I distinguish between
companies that were set up simply to provide cover as opposed

‘to companies that were proprietaries. You know, these terms

_mean different things to me. Tha nature of. the Agency's

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involvement in-each is different. I am having a little
trouble -- . .

Mr. Baron. Could you explain what different categories of
companisas you were receiving halp from at that Point, and about
how many of each there might have been?

Mr. Halley. I do not think I could'do that. We are
talking about hundreds of companies that we used during that
Period of time. Some of them might simply have been a company
Set up and registered and run out of soma attorney's

office. It simply provided back stopping for the ownership of

‘the small boat.

_ Everything has to be owned by somebody, it has to have a

Coast Guard registration, you know, things like that. Even if
I had access to the files to answer your question, it would
take me weeks to pull all that together to give you an answer.
I don't think there is an overview statement.

Mr. Baron. Would it be fair to say that you had coopera-
tion on a grand scale from all kinds of people in private
enterprise.in the Miami area; or in Southern Florida?

Mr. Halley. I think it would be fair to say that we had
extensive cooperation — I do not like your word "grand" -- that
we had extensive cooperation from the civilian sector in
Florida, in the state of Florida, to facilitate the conduct of
this clandestine mission. .

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civic officials and law enforcement agencies in being allowed

to operate frea or the law? For instance, were you allowed to

put vessels onto the water which were not properly registered,

or which could be held immune for inspection by the Coast Guard
or other maritime authorities, and were you allowed to send
People through the streets of Southarn Florida who may have
bean armed or violating local law in some other way, who were
held immune by arrangements that you had with law enforcement
agencies?

Mr. Malley. You hava asked me, in essence, threa
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Mr. Baron. Right’

Mr. Halley. Let me try to divide that and deal with each
question separately.

Let ma first deal with tha vessels. Every vessel that we
had was appropriately registered. There were no short-cuts::
insofar as the U.S. Coast Guard was concerned. That is, any

vessel that was registered in the United States met appropriate

safety standards and so forth, so we were not putting any

‘vessels into the water that any citizen could not have put into

the water. That is we are talking about ten, fifteen, twenty
foot boats, thirty foot boats, thirty-five foot boats, things
like that. These hoats were owned in‘either a. corporate. name
or by a private individual who had to register then with the

Coast Guard and pass normal Coast Guard requlations.

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safety regulations would have been complied with, but “was there

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some sort of immunity from inspection, say inspection for

carrying armaments aboard a vessel that the CIA had arranged

with maritime authorities, or local law enforcament authorities?
Mr. Halley. When we had operations going, these were

coordinated with the Coast Guard in terms of their knowing that,

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a rendezvous between two vessels which wera our vessels, and
this was coordinated with the Coast Guard.

Mr. Baron. Would you return to the second part of that
large question? Without reference to vessels, were CIA
employees or agents on the streets of cities in Southern

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Let me ask to dispel one myth that I think has developed
which is reflected in your question. We were meticulous to
‘insure that no weapons were issued to anybody until the men
were on the vessel outside of the immediate waters of south
Florida, and we were meticulous to insure that when they came
back from a mission that they were met at sea and all the

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you. to feel that I was being less than candid with you, and
you keep saying south Florida, I want to say to you that we
Operated in the state of Florida, men moving around armed under
our control’ in tha state of Florida, is just not correct.

This was all carefully ‘controlled and they did not have their
Weapons when they came back, we .took them before they landed,
So they were not immune.

Mr. Baron. You did have general arrangements or agreements
with law enforcement agencies throughout Florida for the
treatment of CIA operatives who were affilfated with the JMWAVR
Station?

Mr. Halley. We dia have, through our Office of Security,

@ continuing dialogue with @ number of law enforcement agencies
in Florida. If a problem developed, we would then contact them
and look at the issue within the context of what had transpired.
Certainly there was no immunity. In other words, this has to be
looked at on a case by case basis.

For instance, you know, we had a training site in north

‘Florida, as an example, If somebody came off of that site that

was drunk and disorderly in town ‘and could not speak English,
the local authorities did have a number to call to raise this
with us to see whether this was Somebody that was of interest
to.us, and then we would have to go and settle that particular

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Mr. Baron. Back to the structure of the relationships
between yourself as Chief of Station at JMWAVE and any operative

Or employees who worked underneath you at that Station, would

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it be fair to say that any activities run out of the Station
ultimately were channeled out through you?

Mr. Halley. They should have been, and they were -- you
know this Station went through several mutations in organization
during its existence. 1 guess the organizational structure that
existed for the longest period of time was something lika I am

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Then the rest of the Station was organized into a number of
branches. Each branch was organized along functional lines.
Lat me give you an example. “There was a Foreign Intelligence

“Branch. These were people in, what in my terminology would be

classical foreign intelligence operations. That is, trying to
recruit a . Cuban diplomat abroad, as an example, dealing with,
you know, a Uruquayan diplomat in the Uruguayan Embassy in

Havana. They are working with resident agents in Cuba who might

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butcher or something but had a radio sat in which they could
communicate with us, through which they could communicate to us.

Then there was the Paramilitary Branch. This was the

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group that ran the commando operations. This was the group that
ran, and put péople back into Cuba, into resistance groups, or
established contact with resistance groups. This was a group
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that also worked in putting in caches that would supply people,
either paramilitary forcas in Cuba or agents that were being
run by the Foreign Intelligence Group.

All right. Then there was a Covert Action, people who
dealt with exiled refugee groups that wera involved in radio

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finance, and so on. Security was a branch. ‘Obviously, under
that kind of system, no 6xecutive, whether he is president of
a corporation or a Station Chief, can see every single piece of
Paper that comes in or out, but clearly there was a review
Procedure whereby program reviews were conducted, individual
Operational reviews were conducted.

Mr. Baron. By yourself?

Mr. Halley. By myself. I do not want to leava you with

the impression that I knew every single thing that was going
on every minute and could account for the activities of three

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Mr. Baron. . In talking about the personnel affiliated

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with the Station & moment ago, I think-we may have created a:.

misimpression that the only people involved in CIA operations
were people who were paid by the Agency. Isn't it also true
that thera were Many members of Cuban exile groups in Florida
who participated voluntarily from time to time in CIA sporisored

Operations?

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Mr. Halley. I think that you may hava to sharpen that up
for me. I am not sure what you really maan.

‘If you are talking about foreign intelligence collections,
you know, the people who were producing --

Mr. Baron. I am talking now about the paramilitary
Operations.

Mr. Halley. No. I do not know of any People that were
involved in paramilitary operations that Ware not in some way
paid.

Mr. Baron. By the Agency?

Mr. Halley. By the Agency.

Let me make sure that we understand each Other, because

during this period of time there were a lot of independent

“Cuban groups who claimed that they had sponsorship from the

Agency but did not, and were Operating, and there was 2 period
in time when these Groups could not run their operations from

Florida without running the risk of being picked up by Customs,
Immigration, Coast Guard, the FBI, or if We had information on

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so that they could keep them from going.

If that is what you ara referring to, somebody like Alpha 6

or Commando L or somebody like that, they were not a part of

the CIA apparatus.

Mr. Baron. Although you might be aware of their activities

Mr.‘ Halley. We would be aware of their activities,
certainly:

Mr..Baron. Can you explain if thare is anything to add
to what we have already said? The chain of command, apart from
yourself as Chief of Station, to Task Force W and to the
Directorate of Plans within the Agency?

You would report directly to William Harvey? °

Mr. Halley. William Narvey was Chief of Task Force W,
later FitzGerald. My chain of command was from ma to them.

You know, they had a subordinate staff who helped them monitor
the Station's activity, so that it just was not the fact, you
know, that Mr. Harvey and Mr. FitzGerald were totally dependent
on what I told them. To have an appreciation of what was going

on in Miami they had their own staff that was following

‘individual operations.

For instance, they had a paramilitary staff that would
review our proposals for a paramilitary operation and © might
Say we think that the Station has overextended itself this
month, they want to run twenty-five operations given the

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only twenty, fifteen, something like that, So they were not

totally dependent on me,

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Mr. Baron. What was the nature of the split of responsi-
bility between Task Forca W and JMWAVE Station?

In other words, ware there certain Oparations that were

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Yun directly out of Task Force W?

Mr. Halley. Also, you have to Put this into a historical
time. What Period are you talking about?

Mr. Baron. During the period of your tenure. If there
were changes during your tenure at JMWAVE, why do you not
explain those?

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up by foreign intelligence agents who could report, they would
‘task us to implant that radio in a cache in a particular area

in Cuba, for‘ instance; Oriente Province. We would know simply
that it was a radio ‘pertiaps.. Wa would then put it into

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So they had agents in Cuba that were reporting foreign

intelligence to them so they had collection « “assets that were
reporting to them along the sama lines that we did. They ‘dia
work at. 2 downstream point when FitzGerald came in with a
couple of groups ~- in other words, they had contact with
Artime. I had no contact with the Artime group as a general
rule. They also had contact with Manolo Ray which I did not

have contact with. So they were working with these kinds of

larger exile groups.

The Task Force also specialized in much more economic
activity than I did, That is & question of looking at such
things as Tie aud bus exports Erom {@&

Mr. Baron. In terms of Paramilitary Operations, if an
assassination Operation had been run by Task Force W, would
you have assumed aS Chief of Station in Miami you would have
been aware of such an operation?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not assume that.

Mr. Baron. Woula it not have been-sound managerial

practice to let you know that there was an operation that might

“have been run through Florida into Cuba?

Mr. Halley. No.

You know, the Agency is a highly compartmented mechanism.
You know, let us dispel one thing very Promptly here. - If you
are asking me was-I aware of all these contacts, you know, with

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to review the activitias of the station, and while. thera would
go off on his own and make his contact with whomever he was
meeting. I knew he was meeting somebody, but it was not up to
Me to find out with whom he was meating or why he was meeting
them or what he was doing with them.

Mr. Baron. My question really was, I think more innocent
than that.

Was fe strictly one of involving what correct Management
techniques would be, or what kind of knowledge the Chief of _
Station of JMWAVE would have to have in order to do an effective
job in dealing with the Cuban communi ty and running operations
into Cuba? You seem to be saying that it would not be _.
necessary to run an effective job to have knowledge of every

other Operation that the CIA is running against Castro?

Mr. Halley. JI think what I am saying during that particu-

“lar time ~~ I do not want you to come to the conclusion that

Iwas knowledgeable of everything that ‘ran in from or through

the state of Florida, because during that Period of time, for

‘instance, Mr. Harvey in particular was a very compartmented

gentleman, and it would be keeping with his style to run an
Operation in which the locus of the operation might be Florida
and I would not know about it.

Now, that would be an unusual thing, but it is not preclude

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nature of your contacts with William Harvey in raference to any
Operations he may have in running unilaterally against Castro,
Do you recall aiding Harvey in an operation that he was in charg
of and that was not affiliatéd-with IMWAVE?

Mr. Halley. I.do not recall anything, I do not recall
anything specific. In other words, the pattern was in terms of
command and control, I would come to Washington on a regular
basis to review activity with Harvey after wa submitted our
Paperwork. Harvey was also a frequent visitor to Florida.

We would have operational discussions, Ne would talk to th
Branch Chiefs, he talked to People. He also went out on his
Own, and he was meeting somebody, it was clear to me that he
was meeting People. But it was frankly in the way that the
Agency is run and Managed, it was not a concern to me whom he:
was meeting.

Mr. Baron. Would it have been Proper of you to inquire
of him whom he was meeting? -

Mr. Halley. No, it would not haves been,

Mr. Baron. Did you have suspicions or speculation about

‘whom he might have been meeting or for what purpose that ha

was having these meetings?

Mr. Halley. No, not for what PurpoSe. There is a whole,
you know, panoply of things going On at that time. You know,
frankly Iwas a very busy guy; when Harvey was there, it occupied

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do something else and was going to meet someone alsa, that was
fine with ma. “It enabled me to get back to my immediate and
Morea pressing problems.

In this business you just do not ask your suparior, what
are you doing? That is just not cricket; that is not the way
the game is played.

Mr. Baron. Do you recall atime when Harvey asked you to-
procure arms and.equipment to be passed to a: Cuban exile?

Mr. Halley. To a Cuban exile?

Mr. Baron. Let me strike the reference to a Cuban exile.

Do you recall a time when Harvey asked your aid in procur-
ing arms ari equipment to be given to a man named Tony Varona
who was'a contact of Harvey's?°

Mr. Halley. I know Tony Varona. He was in the period --
prior to the Bay of Pigs, he was part of the consejo.

Frankly, if you've got something that you can sharpen that
up, I think you need some basis, that I think that can trigqer
my memory here. I do not remember frankly Tony Varona being
in Harvey's -- .

Mr. Baron. In contact with Harvey?

Mr. Halley. You know, I may have procured: something for
Harvey, some kind of equipment or done some kind of. operational
support task. .

Mr. Baron. Let us make it more specific.

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about $5,000 worth of arms and equipment ‘to be left in a parking

lot and picked up there by a contact of Harvey's? And this
would be in approximately April of 1962. a
Mr. Halley. I. do vaguely remember something about a rented
truck. Quite frankly, I do not really recall all the details
of this at this particular time. I do not remember, you know,
personally procuring any material, but it is conceivable that
I did get a request from Harvey, that I did go to the logistics
apparatua, and whatever he had requested from official stocks
he was provided.
Mr. Baron. During that same period of tima --
Mr. Halley. I do recall something about a truck. I do
not recall anything about a trailer. My recollection of this
truck incident seems to be -- I do not remember what it was.
Wa did do something for him logistically, I do remember a truck

being involved with some logistic material in terms of.a

‘parking lot. But frankly that is about all I can recall of it

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Mr. Halley. No, 1 do not recall -- poison pills? Poison
pills, the only kind of thing I can recall occasionally when
people were talking about. being on mother ships, you know, what
would happen if they were captured. This was a discussion

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the people who were manning these vessels so they could do
themselves in if they were to be captured, things like that,
but we never issued any such pills but there were discussions
of that kind of a problem. I do recall specific agents who

were gent back to Cuba to run a collection or to go back into

the bush and so forth who asked for som® sort of pills which

they could kill themselves with if they wera captured.

But other than that -~ if that is what you were referring ,

to, I think they are called L pills, or something, as they

were referred to in those days.

Mr. Baron. Why were they called L pills?

Mr. Hallev. Everything has a number or nomenclature, I
do not know."

Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear of poison pills to ba used
in assassination operations against Fidel Castro or other
Cuban leaders?

Mr. Halley. No.

Is that referencing to this material that I might have

provided for Harvey? Because if that is the case, I can dispel

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Mr. Baron. You would not have access to poison pills?

Mx. Halley. No, I would not have access to them.

Mr. Baron. Why not? .

Mr, Halley. I did not have them in my inventory. That is

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Mr. Baron. They would have had to come directly from
Technical Services Division at CIA?

Mr. Halley. That is what I'm trying to clarify what it is
that you are trying to establish from me,

In other words, if you are @aying --

Mr. Baron. Let us move further, I think we can be more
specific now.

We have a document that I am about to show you. I just
wanted to clear up. the background of it before we discussed
the document.

Mr. Halley. Let me just make this point. If you are
talking about drug pills, I had no source of such things, so
if that is the nature of your question, I can say I had nothing

to do with that. If you are talking about, you know --

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Mr. Halley. -- weapons or something, yes, that was in my
inventory. I could have issued that to Harvey, you know, guns,

ammunition, plastics, that kind of thing I could have haa

‘access to, yes. That is why I am trying to sort out really

where the thrust of your questioning is.

Mr. Baron. There were two prongs: to the question, you
have picked both of them up. One is whether you had ever heard
of poison pills in connection with an assassination operation

against Fidel Castro, and your testimony would be that you had

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not, is that correct?

Mr. Halley. That is right. I would not have had access
to those pills myself, nor did the Station. In other words, if
I had wanted something like that, I would have had to corres-
ponded with Washington in order to have had access to it, if
in fact it existed. : coat

Mr. Baron. You never had any such correspondence?

“Mr. Halley. I never had any correspondence that I can

recall.

Mr. Baron. The other problem was the supply of arms and

equipment to which you already replied.
Have you ever read that Inspector General's Report of

1967, prepared at the request of the NCI to fill him in on any

| assassination efforts to which the CIA may have been connected?

Mr. Halley. No, I have not read the report.

Mr. Baron. Before you came here today you were not shown
any excerpts from this report to refresh your recollection at
the CIA?

Mr. Halley. The IG Report?

Mr. Baron. Yes.

Mr. Halley. No, I havs not.

Mr. Baron. Ware you shown any other documents at the CIA
today to refresh ~-- or in preparation for today's session --

Mr. Halley. No.

In preparation for today's session I have had several

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conversations with Seymour Boultin --
Mr. Baron. Walt Elder?

Mr. Halley. I talked to Walt Elder on the phone. You know

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the people who are involved in this thing. I have asked for
that, I talked to our attorney, Clarke ~-

Mr. baron. George Clarke?

Mr. Halley. Yes.

-~- I talked to a number af people, I asked to see the.
newspaper clipping from the Miami Ierald on the NcGovern
activity. Yes, I have looked at that kind of thing. But I
have not looked at the specific IG Report. I have not read it,

‘I have not seen an extract of the IG Report.

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the kinds of things that, you could say or not say here today?

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touched on which you have-already put on the record. -

Mr. Baron. Which is not to mention the names of CIA
officers who are still operating under cover?

Mr. Halley. Right, or agents who would still be viable
“that I know of.

Mr. Baron. Right.

Then let me show you a document which we will mark as

Halley Exhibit No. 2.

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Mr. Baron. Which is an excerpt from the Inspector General’
Report of 1967 at paqes 49 and 50, and I will ask you to read

the portions that I will bracket which deal with a report of

a@ Meeting between yourseif and William MNarvay involving the

supply of arms and equipment.

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Mr. Halley. I have no reason to doubt this. I may have
provided this support. I do not recall sitting in a parking lot}
observing --

Mr. Baron. For the record, wa are discussing the passage

that begins, “When the pills were given to Varona through

Roselli, Varona requested arms and equipment needed for the
support of his end of the operation. Roselli passed the request
to Harvey. Harvey, with the help of (Mr. Halley], the chief

of the JMWAVE Station, procured" .--.

Continuing .--And then it continues to say a large shopping
list of arms and equipment, which cost about $5,000 and were
supplied in a parking lot of a drive-in restaurant ina rented
U-Haul truck.
| ‘Would the cost of $5,000 have been an unusual expenditure
at that time at JMWAVE Station for arms and equipment?

Mr. Halley. No, $5,900 would not have been an unusual
expenditure. .

Mr. Baron. Not unusual enough, in fact, for you to have

a particular memory of the event?

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Mr. Halley. No.
Now that I read over this thing, I do recall, as I told
you earlier before you showed ma this document something about

a ranted truck and being involved with Harvey in providing him

some logistical support for an activity. I do not recall this.

specific list of equipment being’“involved,- you know, sowewhere
you got this and if I could check it against the files, if there
are any files available, I could verify whether this is correct
or not.

Mr. Baron. Whether or not the particular list is correct,
you would say that these couple of passaqes from the IG Report
generally characterize youf involvement with Narvey in this —

One incident correctly?

Mr. Halley. I would want to sharpen this up, because you
have one, two, two paragraphs here. In the first paragraph
there is a reference to some pills. I had nothing to do with
any pills. I have no recollection of any pills.

Mr. Baron. Let us jump then to the very last statement and
let me ask you if this confirms your own sense of your knowledge
The report says: "Harvey says that [Halley]" -- here I
am using your alias =--"never knew to whom delivery was made nor

for what purpose. [Halley] was merely called upon to furnish
support for a headquarters operation from which he was otherwise
excluded."

Does that generally characterize correctly your point of

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involvement with this activity?
Mr. Halley. I would say that is corract.

I want to go back to these other points, though, because

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I want to be meticulously corract here. I do not recall the
specifics of this inventory of equipment. I do not recall,
you know, sitting in a parking lot, surveilling any kind of a
vehicla.: On the other hand, I do recall having been involved
with Harvey in some sort of an effort with a U-Haul truck.
Now therefore that last sentence you have read is correct,

I knew nothing about any of this delivery.and l.was called

to furnish support for a headquarters operation from which

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Mr. Halley. No, I would say that my sitting in a parked
ear with Harvey surveilling a parking lot is the kind of thing
“that would have stuck in my mind. I do. not recall ever doing.
that and that is the thing that has me a little perplexed here
and I am having trouble matching this thing up with my own
Memory. It would have been damned unusual for Harvey and I to

have sat in a parking lot, and I just do not recall that.

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in some sort of caper involving a U-Haul truck.

Mr. Baron. At that time, if Harvey had made a request of
you to supply $5,000 worth of equipment like explosives,
detonators, .30 caliber rifles, .45 caliber handguns, radios
and boat radar, would you have supplied that equipment to Harvey

or to anyone he designated without asking him what the purpose

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of the operation was?

Mr. Halley. Yes, I would have supplied 4t to Harvey or
to his designated representative, devending on how that person
identified himself to me with the equipment that he requested.
That was my chain of command and, if he had told me that he
had wanted this material for any operational activity, I would
have ‘seen to it that it was issued to him. That is the way the
Agency functions. .

Mr. Baron. Would it have been standard procedure in a

paramilitary operation to procure equipment that would not have

been traceable to the United States as the IG Report indicates
was done in this case?

Mr. Halley. It depends. It depends on what was the

. Sponsorship that was trying to be conveyed to the paramilitary

group.

In other words, let us say there was a Venezuelan business
man who may hava been giving some assistance to a Cuban exile
group. If somebody had gotten in touch with that Venezuelan

businessman and he was saying I brought weapons into Florida

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or equipment which I will give you, then maybe under that kind o

a circumstance we wouldn't want anything that would clearly
identify it with the U.S. government and then that would be the
normal thing to do. I would have-to know the sponsorship.

Mr. Baron. This request would not have been extraordinary
either, to provide “sterile” equipment to a contact of Harvey's?
' Mr. Halley. It would not have attracted my attention to
make it seem out of the ordinary.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware of the presence of a CIA officer
named Jim O'Connell in Florida at that time?

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: Mr. Baron. Had you been’aware of any operational. -
involvement that Jim O'Connell had with anyone in' Florida. at
any -time? »

- Mr.-Halléy.. I do not know Jim O'Connell. TI have seen
references to Jim O'Connell in Jack Anderson's columns and
things like that.since I have been reading tha Press, but I
do not know Jim O'Connell. If he-walked into this ‘room, -I----

wouldnot recognize him because I do not think I ever met the

‘man. I do not know who he is. I asked several of my colleagues

when I first saw his name appear in the Press who it was, and
nobady could describe him ina way that would enable me to
remember ever having seen or Met the man.

Mr. Baron. Had you heard of the man in connection with

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Mr. Halley. TI had not.

Mr. Baron. -- before reading it in the newspapers
recently?

Mr. Halley. Before reading in the newspapers and I do not
know what year I first read this, becausa somewhere in the back
of my mind is a Jack Anderson column --

Mr. Baron. And a Drew Pearson column before that.

Mr. Halley. -- a couple of years ago in which it was
obvious that this was obtained from a military assignee to the
Agency named Brad‘ something -- I cannot think of his name
right now -- and that he was the source of that information. I

think somewhere in one of those articles, his name had

‘appeared several years ago. I frankly do not know who the quy

is.

Mr. Baron. At any point.in your operational relationship
with William Harvey in connection with Cuban affairs, did you
suspect that an assassination operation was being run out of
Task Force W-against Fidel Castro?

Mr. Halley. No.

Mr. Baron. I would like to run down a list of the names
of some people who were involved in one way or the other with
an assassination operation that was being run out of Task Force
W, and I will represent to you that there was indeed an
assasSination effort or a series of efforts run out of Task

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the passage of poison pills to people inside Cuba purportedly
for use against Castro in the restaurant that he frequented.
And this plot by William Harvey's own admission was directed
by Harvey during Narvey's tenure as the Chief of Task Force W.
Mr. Halley. I take due note of what you are saying. I
have no knowledge of that. I will ba glad to comment-on any
ofthe names. My commenting on names is in no way to reflect
any knowledge on my part of this particular activity, because

I have no knowledge of it.

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Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear of any assassination: schemes
which may or may not have been put into effect involving
exploding sea shells that Castro might pick up by scuba diving?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not recall any exploding sea shells
“while Castro was scuba diving, but the problem of Castro being
an avid scuba diver is well-known to me. As I recall, somewhere
in this thing there was a refugee group or Cuban exile group
or somebody at one time in this whole activity who had focused

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time that he was scuba diving. T have heard that. discussed but

of 1960 involving connections between CIA officials and people :
who have been characterized as members of the Mafia, of the
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frankly I do not ‘remember in what forum, ana your reference to
the scuba diving has triggered that response. Nothing about
exploding sea shalls.

Mr. Baron. You do not recall ever hearing Desmond
FitzGerald mention that subject or hearing that Desmond
FitzGerald was involved in exploring that possibility, planting
an. exploding sea shell? . .

Mr. Halley. The exploding sea shell is enough of an off-
beat kind of thing that I think I would have recalled it. I
don't recall it.

. I do recall Castro's scuba diving, and that representing
a vulnerability and somewhere in the recesses of my memory,
that does strike a bell with me that some exile group, somebody
was talking about Fidel Castro being vulnerable while he was
scuba diving.

Mr. Baron. Did you!ever hear of a plan to present Castro

} with a skin-diving suit in which bacteria injurious to his healt

would have been cultured, bacteria that would have produced
tuberculosis and would have produced a dreadful disease?

Mr. Halley. I have never heard of any bacteria approach
to the problem of dealing with Fidel Castro.

I do want to come back to this that I do recall something

about scuba diving, you know, on the range of Fidei being

vulnerable at the time he was scuba diving, but I do not recall

exploding sea shells or bacteria.

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Mr. Baron. Let us turn then to tha list of name --

Mr. Halley. Wait a minute. Just let ma make a note to
myself.

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Mr. Baron. .Do you have any knowledge, acquired directly
or indirectly, of any involvament-of John Roselli in Cuban
operations?

Mr. Halley. Other than reading the papers --

Mr. Baron. Other than what you read recently in the papers
did you acquire any knowledge during your period as Chief of
Station at JMWAVE of John Roselli's involvement in Cuban
operations?

Mr. Halley. No. I had the impression from Harvey going
off that he was meeting with somebody, and at one point in time
I came to the impression that he was meeting a guy by the name
of John. Who John was, I had no idea. Wa were involved in an

attempt to try to find two Soviets at one point who were of

interest. The fellow who provided the lead to that had heen

a member of one of tha casinos in Cuba at some time.

Mr. Baron. Do yeu remamber who that was?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not. I do not remember the man's.
name. It may come to me, You are asking me things, that
happened, you know, in 1962. As I have told you, I have been

ina lot of places.

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of this lead, I was surprised with the speed with which we got

a response back on this man and the details run down that we

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forth, and I think I concluded at that time that somebody knew
this fellow very well and somewhere in the whole labrynth, eithe
Justice or we or somebody had access to somebody who could give
us a great deal of insight into people who had been involved

with the gambling establishment in Cuba.

Those are the only two things that I can say to you that
I knew at the time. Obviously I have sinca read the papers and
I have put together in my own mind by deduction that the John
that I was aware of that. Harvey was in touch with must. be John

Roselli, but I cannot provide to you --

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Santos Trafficante is. .

Mr. Baron. How do you know this?

Mr. Halley. This is like asking me whether I knew where

‘7th Street is in downtown Miami. Santos Trafficante is a name

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well-known figure. You could not possibly be involved-~

Mr. Baron. Did you know of any involvement that he had

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Tampa area and that is my recollection of it at the time.

I also think that there was some large scandal, when I was
in Miami, that was played up in the Press. I forget, some
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Federal agent who was somehow involved with the Mafia and with
the Syndicate and there was gome* Linkage in the Press between
Santos Trafficante, Cubans and the Federal agent; .but I do not
remember the details of it.
_ Mr. Baron. * The Federal agent was not a CIA employee?

Mr. Malley. No, he was not. My recollection is he was
Narcotics or something. reo. a , : -

Mr. Baron. You would ‘make the same statement about John
Roselli that you had no knowledge of his connection with any
CIA sponsored operation against the Cuban government or against
Castro personally? .

Mr. Halley. At the time that I was there -- you know, I
want to caution you that I have read the Press. If I have
trouble sorting this out, I want you to understand that --

Mr. Baron. I understand that clearly.

Mr. Halley. -- that this is a dilemma for me. Obviously
I told you I made my own deduction that John, the one that
Harvey was in touch with, must have turned out in. the context of
20/15 hindsight to be John Roselli. At the time, I did not
know that.

Mr. Baron. What about Robert Maheu? Did you have any

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with the CIA?

Mr. Halley. No.

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have since read about Robert Maheu in the Press, allegations:

and so forth. The name is familiar to me now.

Mr. Baron. The same question for Sam Giancana.

Mr. Halley. Again, I say in answer that at the time that
I was involved in '62 and '65 I did not know anything about
Sam Giancana. I have since read in the Press about hin.
Therefore, the name is familiar to me today.

Mr. Baron. Did you know at that time that Sheffield
Edwards, who was then Director of the Office of Security, was
connected in any way. with those efforts against Castro personall
or against the Castro government?

Mr. Halley. At that time, Shef Edwards was known to me
as Director of Security. That is all. I had: no knowledge of
his involvement in any activity against Fidel Castro ina
Personal sense.

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that he might ba doing, you know, against Fidel Castro.

Mr. Baron. I will represent to you that we have testimony
from Edwards and from .Jim-O!Connalt who was an officer working
in the Office of Security under Edwards that they were involved
in the early stages of an assassination plot against Castro
which was run out of the Office Qt Security and later transferre
to the DDP. But you are saying that you had no knowledge of
any such operation at that time?

Mr. Halley. I had no knowledge. As I told you before, I
did not even know Jim O'Connell.

Mr. Baron. Do you know aman by the name of Juan Orta?

Mr. Halley. That. name is familiar tome. It isa name

that has appeared, you know, across my scope. I cannot tell

you why I am familiar with it. I would have to have a trace

run, .you know, and look at the results of the trace. But the
name Juan Orta is known to me. That does ring a passive bell
in my memory.

Mr. Baron. Do you remember William Harvey having any
direct contact with Juan Orta?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not.

Mr. Baron. You do not have any specific recollection of
Juan orta's point of involvement in operations. against Castro?

Mr. Halley. Juan Orta, no. It is a name I am familiar
with. I think you will find, you know, that there are a number

of names -- you asked me to look at that other thing -- a number

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of names that do ring bella with me.’ I really would hava to
have back~-up material to clarify why they ring a bell. This is
One that happens to ring a bell with mae, but I have no way of
linking it to anything, and certainly I do not link it in any
way in my memory to Mr. Harvey.

Mr. Baron. Do you remember ever hearing of a Cuban contact

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of William Harvey's who went by the name of Maceo?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not.

Mr. Baron. He also used the name of-Garcia Gomez -and °
the name Godoy?

Mr. Halley. The only name that rings any bell with me
in Cuban contacts is Arturo Godoy. Is this the same: man?

Mr. Baron. Wa do not have the first name of that alias.

In what connection.‘had you heard of Arturo Godoy?

Mr. Halley. My recollection is I've known Arturo Godoy
is that he was the fellow who was active in the Cuban immigre
community in Miami. That is all I can tell you at this point.
I would have to go back. .

Mr. Baron. You do not remember what group he was connected

‘with?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not. But it was a name that

obviously, you know, frequently referred to in reports. ‘You

know at one time we did: monitor the Cuban community as to what
was going on in terms of these various groups and what they

had been doing. For some reason, Arturo Godoy rings a bell with

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Ma. .As I recall, ha was soma sort of an activist in soma

Cuban exile group. To give you a definitiva answer, you know, I
would have to get the nama, trace him, ‘hdve.‘a.run'on:this fellow
and try to: put it together in some kind of context, but that is
the only Godoy that rings any bells with ma.

Certainly in my relationship with Harvey, this has no
meaning to me. Godoy and Harvey just do not ring any bells.

Mr. Baron. One more name that wa already discussed, that
is Tony Varona.

Mr. Halley. Yes.

Mr. Baron. You said that you did know Tony Varona?

Mr. Halley. I know of Tony Varona, that he was leader of
the consejo, the revolutionary counsel that had been set up. to
sort of administer the Bay of Pigs operation. In the post

Bay of Pigs era, Nua Cardona and Tony Varona were people who

‘still appeared on the exile seene and were prominent. We had

some dealings with Nua Cardona, officers in the Station had
dealings with Nua Cardona and Tony. Varona to pay off, you know,

injuries to peopoe who had been suffered during the Bay of Pigs,

‘things like that, widows and so on. I know who he is and so

forth, the name is very familiar to me. I never personally met
with Tony Varona.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware that William Harvey had an
independent line of communication with Tony Varona?

Mr. Halley. No, I am not.

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Mr. Baron. Nouta it surprise you if that wera the case?

Mr. Halley. The Tony Varona thing would surprise me,
frankly. I think I would not ~- I would be surprised, yes.

Mr. Baron. Why is that?

Mr. Halley. Wall, because here is a case where the guy
was a prominent exile figure,. essentially residing in Miami, and
I knew of no contacts or had “no reasons to suspect any contacts
with this kind of an exile figure, though once it specifically
appeared, I was aware of and it was discussed. This was done
under FitzGerald's stewardship with the Task Force. I was
aware of that. I would be surprised if someone was in touch
with Tony Varona and I did not know about it. If you told me
that is what happsned, that is what Harvey has testified to,

I accept that. I am surprised by it.

Mr. Baron. What was the nature of the CIA relationship
to Artime?

Mr. Halley. Well, the Miami Station had no direct: relation
ship with him. . As to the nature of the project, you know Artime

ran'from the Agency, from other people who actually worked with

‘him on a first time basis.

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Mr. Baron. Were you aware of a project called AMLASH?

Mr. Halley. Let me make sure we are talking about the same
thing.
. Mr. Baron. Off the tecord.

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out the fact that We are both talking about the same Cuban’ high

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AMLASH,
Correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Halley, that you and I agree

that we are referring to the same person that we have identified

off the record?

Mr. Halley. Yes, we have.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware of contacts between AMLASH-1,
as he was known, and Artime? ,

Mr. Halley.‘ think: at the time that this was going on, I
deo not know whether I eens I was not. -- I was aware that the
CIA was in touch with AMLASH. .

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Mr. Baron. Did: you deal directly with the case officers
who yan AMLASH? ,

Mr. Halley. I did not. My recollection of this AMLASH
case is as follows. -At:some point in time; I-had.a conversation
with Desmond FitzGerald in Washington during one of my ‘periodic
visits to Washington from Miami. We discussed at that meeting
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coming out of that kind of a contact would be that ha, Mr.
FitzGerald, would get a personal feel for what makes some of
these people tick, in human terms, and that that probably was
too high a price to pay for the prospect if anything went wrong,
an individual as prominent in Washington as, both within the
Agency and the social world in Washington, would be exposed tn
the Press. That would create a flap that I thought was not
worth what would be gained from that meeting.

Mr. Baron. Would this have been in the fall of 1963?

Mr. Halley. I have no recollection of the time.

Subsequent to that, Mr. FitzGerald told ma that he had
indaed met him and that he had had an interesting conversation
with him. I subsequently recall that this gentleman was met
in Spain at some point in time --

Mr. Baron. This gentleman being AMLASH-1?

Mr. Halley. This gentleman, being AMLASH-1, was met in

Spain. I also recall after having left the Cuban activity that

‘I read a Press article showing that he had been apprehended

and I remember reading the publicity of that particular
activity. It is also my recollection that we put in a cache
for him.

That is about the sum and substance of it.

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cache.

Mr. Baron. At the point that you were having these
conversations with Desmond FitzGerald, though, in the first
instance the prospect of his contact directly with AMLASH-1l,
in the second instance his reaction to his contact with AMLASH-1
do you recall FitzGerald mentioning to you the fact that

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the case. But at the time ~- I am trying to be schizophrenic,
you know, to put this in the time sequence in which we are

-talking about. My recollection of that is that I did not know
that.

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FitzGerald never broached with you the subject of making a

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Mr. Halley. I do not recall that kind of & conversation
taking place with FitzGerald in this timeframe that we are
talking about.

Mr. Baron. Do you recall any such conversation at any
point?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not, in the timeframe that we are
talking about.

Mr. Baron. When I say at any point,. I mean at any point.
since 1962.

Mr. Halley. Well, you know, in tha period 1972-73, I did
look at some of. the. files, I did read some of the files. I am
familiar that such conversations took place and that there
were a series of msetings. You know, I know who the case
officer was and so forth.

. Mr. Baron. You never discussed the subject directly with
FitzGerald?

Mr. Halley. With FitzGerald, no. I can only say that my
knowledge of that is secondhand from having subsequently read
the files.

Mr. Baron. Was it your impression at that time that one
of the objectives of the contact with AMLASH-1 was the assassina
tion of Fidel Castro or other high Cuban leaders?

Mr. Halley. No. I never had the impression that assassina
tion was a thrust of the activity. In othsr words, we were
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FitzGerale and his staff ware working on what I was doing in
Miami to try to establish: contacts with the Cuban military.
In other words, we saw this as a multi-faceted approach. First,
we wanted penetrations of the Cuban military so that we could
collect intelligence. What were their strengths, weaknesses,
what was their mood, whare were things going? Secondly, we
wanted from these sources operational intelligence. Who -- in
other words, who in these groups were dissatisfied as Fidel
consolidated. Who could provide leadership for a counter-
movement against Fidel?

We were looking for people, once we had identified them,
to see if we could establish contacts with any of these leaders
so We could see whether there was a basis for working toward
an overthrow of the Castro government. “You know, those were
the basic steps.

Now as you got down to talking about how you overthrow

Castro, obviously the question comes in of how does a‘group who

Wants to run a coup or take power take power, and obviously

one of the things that has to be looked at is where does the

control of the various units. So our discussions were all in
that context.

Mr. Baron. Would it have surprised you or would it
surprise you now to learn that at least part of the contact

with AMLASH would have involved Planning for an assassination

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Mr. Halley. I-certainly was not aware of that at the
time, as I recall from, you know, looking at the files in the
'72-'73 period, seeing any avidence of that in the file at the
time.

Mr. Baron. There are fourteen folders in the AMLASH file.
Did you read all of those files?

Mr. Halley. No, I did not.

Mr. Baron. How did you gather your impression that that
was in the AMLASH files?

Mr. Halley. I think I may have read one or two volumes
of whatever my question was at the time, because these cases
keep coming up. You know, there must have been some inquiry
‘at the time that necessitated my looking at the folder or
discussing it with my staff and so on.

Mr. Baron. As far as you knew, what was the.objective of
the contact with Artime?

Mr. Halley. You mean the CIA contact with Artime?

Mr. Baron. Yes, . -_ 3

Mr. Halley. Asa concept, the Artime thing was looked at
as another track, an approach to the overall Cuban problem to
see if they could sort of do’ it on their own. If they could
simply be given, you know, X number of dollars, some equipment,
some guidance, and give them an opportunity to find a Cuban

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and if you have not, you should talk to the peopla who ran the
Artime operation,.when this was set up, I think I partiéipated
in giving Artime some tutorial training for a couple of weeks
when this operation was first established in order to familiariz
him with some of the problems of trying -to manage a large
operation against Cuba because he had been out of things for a
couple of years.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware that. he had been supplied a
weapon which we already agreed could be characterized as an
assassination weapon?

Mr. Halley. You say "we." You and 1?

Mr. Baron. Yes.

'Mr. Halley. Which weapon was that?

Mr. Baron. A high-powered rifle with long-range and low
muzzle velocity.

Mr. Halley. I am aware of the fact of this project that
Artime was involved in that he got a number of weapons, any
number of which could have.been used for sniper type activities.
I am aware of the fact that he had a base in Nicaraqua to
‘haveractivities, so I would find it hard to sinqle out a weapon.
My recollection of that that he was given a large number of
weapons. .

Mr. Baron. Was one of Artime's objectives to have been
to assassinate Fidel Castro?

Mr. Halley. Not that I am aware of.

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Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear any discussion to the
effect that the Agency was attempting to achieva through Artime
indirectly. what they did not want to achlave directly ina
fashion that would be attributed to the CIA, namely the
assassination of Castro?

Mr. Halley. I think that you have tied two issues together
there and I do not think I can answer. the question that way.
I would like to separate the question into two parts.

Mr. Baron. Go ahead.

Mr. Halley. The first part, as I mentioned to you earlier

the CIA did establish a. relationship with Artime and he was
given funds and other support to run his approach to solving

the Cuban problem. He was one of two such activities that ware
run at the time. And therefore I think that your statement is
correct that perhaps he was set up so that there could be no
direct attribution in his activities to the United States,
because he set up a base in Nicaragua, and the story as I recall

it was put out that he was receiving assistance from the

/ Nicaraguan government, and therefore there was a part of the

“whole cover story, if you will, for him.

So, yes, there was an attempt to set him up as a parallel
track or a separate track. That does not follow from that, in
my perspective, that was geared towards an assassination
operation, because that was a fantastically large operation

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up, and I did what I was supposed to do, which was to train
Artime and contribute to his training, I then did not pay an
awful lot of.attention to the thing except what I picked up,

you know, over the years, and. again in the '72-'73 period, -

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of it and got an appraisal of it as to what they thought had
occurred. .

Mr. Baron. Had you heard at any point that Artime was
supplied weapons for the specific purpose of assassinating
Castro?

Mr. Halley. No, not for the specific purpose of assassina-
ting Castro.

Mr. Baron. Was it your general impression that AMLASH~1
was a reliable agent?

Mr. Halley. “y really’ do not know that much about him,
you know. This was an operation that was run at that time out
of Washington and, you know, my knowledge was as I described it

to you, the conversations with FitzGerald, Madrid, newspaper

-articles, so forth, in that particular timeframe.

Mr. Baron. Did the CIA to your knowledge use any gambling ©
Syndicate contacts inside Cuba or people outside Cuba who were
connected to gambling interests inside Cuba for any operational
purpose including the intelligence gathering?

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individual whose name I cannot remember who had been involved
with one of the gambling houses in Cuba who came to us ‘with
leads to Soviets from a missila site who wanted to defect.
That is the only case that I know of. I cannot think of ‘the

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‘Mr. Baron. You are not aware of any other use of people
with gambling interests in Cuba for intelligence gathering?

Mr. Halley. ‘Not that I am aware of. If you have something
specific that you want to pursue, if you can give me some otherr
clue than that, I just do not, out of my past memory, I simply
do not recall any other case but that one.

Mr. Baron. Are: you aware of any contact between the CIA
and Meyer Lansky?

Mr. Halley. No, I am not aware of any contact between the
CIA and Meyer Lansky.

Mr. Baron. Was Howard Hunt connected with any Cuban
Operations during the period of your tenure at JMWAVE Station?

Mr. Halley. Howard Hunt was involved in the Bay of Pigs
Operation. After the Bay of Pigs Operation wss over, he did not
participate in the Cuban activities that I was aware of. You
may know something that I do not.know, because, you know, you
have asked me a couple of questions here of thinas that I am

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certainly he did not come across my horizon at the time that I

was in Miami,

Mr. Baron. Have you ever heard the phrase Executive
Action?

Mr. Halley. Yes.

Mr. Baron. What does that signify to you?

Mr. Halley. Well, Executive Action is some sort of a
euphemism -- to eliminate somebody, I guess is how it appears
in the popular jargon. .

Mr. Baron. Did you hear it in the Agency?

Mr. Halley. No, I think that this is a term that has been
bandied about in the Press that has come about in the Press to
ba synonymous with killing somebody or something like that.

Mr. Baron. It is not, as far as you know, a euphemism in
common usage within the Agency?

Mr. Halley. No.

Mx. Baron. Had you ever heard of the ZRRIFLE Project run
by William Harvey?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not know what it is.

Mr. Baron. Have you ever heard of --

Mr. Halley. I want_to maks sure here that I am accurate,
you know. You are asking me Z2RFIFLE. That is a cryptonym for
something.

Mr. Baron. Let me explain further.

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Mr. Halley. Let me go back. You asked me about ZRRIFLE.
This is one of a thousand or hundreds of cryptonyms. Every day
I read, you know, hundreds of pages of traffic, so when you ask
me do I know what ZRRIFLE is, I must answer you off the top of
my head no. I have tried to be helpful. I have asked you
Several times if you could give me a steering tip or show me
what direction you are going, I might be able to try to comment
on it, but ZRRIFLE as such means nothing to me. You really
could not expect that it would, given the thousands of these
things that come across my dask,.

Mr. Baron. That is absolutely understandable. I want to
try to see what happens in the way of getting an unrefreshed
recollection from you, then XI will go back over these two,
especially the next one, QJWIN. Do you recall a CIA asset who
Went by the cryptonym QJWIN?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not. Knowing the system, and so

forth, normally it would have something to do with Spain. It

‘does not ring any bslls with me. That is all I can give you,

a sort of Pavlovian response. You flash QJWIN on the screen,
I am telling you now {£ do not know, but it probably has
something to do with Spain.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware that a project involving the

development of a capability of carrying on assassination was

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run by William liarvay?
Mr. Halley. To deWelop the capability to carry on the

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Mr. Baron. Yas.

Mr. Halley. No. I have no knowledge of Harvey being
focused on a project or-given the capability of carrying one
out. ° .

Mr. Baron. Harvey has testified, as has Richard Bissell,
I will represent to you, that instruction was given by Bissell
to Harvey to set up, to develop such a capability in early 1961

and that Harvey took steps to develop such a capability in

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Mr. diGenova. It should be emphasized that the Executive
Action Plan that you are referring to has had as its goal the
incapacitation of foreign leaders, one possibility of

-incapacitation being the ultimate weapon, assassination. It

was just not assasSination. It was a spectrum of activities
that could be used to incapacitate a foreign leadar anywhere
from illness, chemical warfare, and then including death.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it was not just assassination.

Mr. Baron. Noes that ring any bells?

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Mr. Baron. Do you have any recollection that the ZRRIFLF
Project involving the development of an Executive Action”
capability would have been tied in in any way to an operation
against Cuba?
Mr. Halley. No, that’ does nat ring any bells, none what-
soever.
Mr. Baron. I would like to introduce as Halley Exhibit
3 an article from Iarper's Magazine entitled “The Kennedy
Vendetta," subtitled “How the CIA Waged a Silent War Against
Cuba," written by Taylor Branch and George Crile III.
Let me show you this article and let me ask you whether
you have read it?
Mr. Halley. Yes, I have read the article.
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Mr. Baron. Let us pick out some specifics and discuss

them briefly here.

Near the beginning of this article, it mentions that JMWAVE
Station operated within an annual budget of well in excess of
$50 million.

Would that be accurate to you?

Mr. Halley. .I do not recall whether that is an accurate
figure. We would have to go back to the records. You know, as
I explained to you earlier, the start of the operation taking
place in March and escalatéd:up, to a high! point! and.then
dropped off. In the budgetary cycle, we are dealing with a
mass of figures, and I would not want to give you an inaccurate
answer. That is something that could be researched -- we have
the files -- rather than speculate for youon the buildup and
. reduction in the operation. I do not feel that is usefuly

Mr. Baron. As a ballpark figure, would you be able to
place the annual budget of the Station in the neighborhood
of tens of millions of dollars?

Mr. Halley. No, I would not, because of this transition,

‘you know, period, the costs were very high in the beginning to

get a start-up operation, brought to a certain peak, and then
tapered off and starting to be peeled back. I would not want
to draw a figure of --

Mr. diGenova. What would the start-up cost?

Mr. Halley. In terms of what they involved or dollars?

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Mr. diGenova. Dollars.

Mr, Halley. I have no recollection of the dollars.

Mr. Baron. Would you say that $50 million would be in the
right ballpark for your activities at the peak?

Mr. Halley. I just have no recollection of the dollar
figure. You might want:.to get that figure when you can retrieve
it in the files. It is available.

Mr. Baron. Were the operations of JMWAVE coordinated with
other Latin American CIA Station's, as the article indicates
here?

Mr. Halley. I think my recollection of that phase is that
Cuban activities with other Latin American’ stations were
coordinated with JMWAVE. .

Mr. Baron. Coordinated with JMWAVE?

Halley. With JMWAVE,

Baron. Who had the central coordinating responsibitity}
Halley. Washington.

Baron.. Was that. delegated by Washington to you? |

Halley. No. Essentially Washington had the overall

Let me say that we would become aware in our activities in
Miami that a number of interesting people had come in on a
flight to Mexico City. We would sand a cable down to Mexico

City with an information copy to Washington, outlining who we

were interested in, and I would probably send somebody down to

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Mexico to look at the particular Cuban or the operational

opportunity in conjunction with the Station Chief in Mexico

City. So wa were in some cases a clearinghouse.

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will say that if Miami wanted to-do something and for local
political reasons in Mexico thé Mexican Station Chief did not
want to do it, that would be adjudicated, not by Miami, but by
Washington.

Mr. Baron. Let me quote you & passage here and see if it
comperts with our discussions earlier of Special arrangements
you may have, the JMWAVE Station may have had, with law enforce-
Ment authorities in Florida.

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Is that generally accurate?

Mr. Halley. I think, as I described to you before, there
‘was coordination with the Coast Guard in terms of vessel
departures. The other is Immigration?

Mr. Baron. Customs, Immigration and Coast Guard.

Mc. Halley. Immigration, there would not have been

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mother ship to be picked up and it was: adrift or cama in to one

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Picked up and picked up by Immigration inspectors, then they
would ask to have their case referred to a particular individual
It may have been a code number, a color code, it May have been
Phrase. But then Immigration would get in touch with us and say
we have this group, here is what they say, what is your interest
in this particular group, and then that would ba adjudicated
at that point, .

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Agency was doing.

Mr. Baron. The article continues to say: "It was illegal
for agents to travel around with machine guns and Plastic
explosives in the cars, as they often did. The Station had to

‘establish liaison with seventeen police jurisdictions along
the Florida coast and into the Keys. The result was that
“any agent who was arrested for anything from drunken driving to

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record on that as saying that wa did not ‘drive around, thera
were:no vehicles moving, manned by thase Cubans with arms and
weapons on them.

In other words, you are coming back to the same point,
becaussa as ‘I explained to you, the weapons were only given to
them on the vessel and taken back from them when they came back
from a mission, so that the statement is not actually correct.

Mr. Baron. What about the end of that passage where they

say that the result, and I understand that you would disagree

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-you say was not carried on at all.--

Mr. Halley. It was not.

Mr, Baron. Did a situation exist where any agent who was
arrested for anything from dxunken driving to illegal possession
of firearms would be quickly released.

Mr. lalley. I have to go back and divide your question
into two parts. There were no firearms --

Mr. Baron. I am not. saying firearms supplied to them by

the CIA for a CIA mission or any agent travelling down the

‘street in Miami who happened to have a Saturday Night Special

in his car or who happened to be drunk while driving. Would
such a person be released right away or once the CIA connection
surfaced?

Mr. Halley. My answer to that is no. In other words, if

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and detained, and if he then asked to be in contact with us,

the case would be looked at at that particular point and if he

had a Saturday Night Special, you know, there would not be any

intervention on his behalf because it had nothing to do with
his task on the behalf of CIA,

I did mention to you earlier ye had training camps in variou
parts of the State. If somebody came out of the training camp
and did get drunk and was picked up and did not speak English
or something and the police jurisdictions did have a way of
getting in touch with us and we might intervene on a case of
disorderly conduct. | .

Mr. diGenova. How was that established, the relationship of
liaison with these jurisdictions. Had it been set up with

JMWAVE directly through Washington and down through the FBI?

How had that been done?

Mr. Halley. It varied. When we started expanding the
Operation, you know, there had already been a Station there
and there also were two security units in the greater Miami

area. In some cases the existing contacts at the Station were

security of personnel who had established contact with other
jurisdictions were used to effect the introduction. In some
cases, we had our security people who were on my staff go out
to these jurisdictions ard identify themselves simply with a

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interested in so that there would not be a cross of‘ problems
with these jurisdictions and therefore a Tiaison was opened on

that basis, a multiplicity of approaches.

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Mr. Baron. The articls discusses the fact that regular

commando raids were run out of JMWAVE Station to the shore of

Cuba, and that those commandog-were equipped with.all kinds of
explosives and armaments.

Is that generally a fair statement, that we were running on

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a regular basis commando raids to Cuba?
Mr. Halley. Yes. There were a series of commando raids

run from the Miami Station against targets in Cuba.

Mr. Baron. Were assassination weapons, that is, high-powerbd
rifles with low muzzle velocity and telescopic sights, supplied

to those commando teams as a matter of course?

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commando teams, you were looking for a different kind of a
weapon. You are looking for a weapon with a high range of fire
power over a short distance to deal with an emergency situation
rather than the kind of, you know, weapon that we are talking
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In other words, you would find that type of a group armed
with a submachine gun, as for example. .

Mr. Baron. If an assasSination weapon as we have

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Mr. Halley. Yes.
Also, again, all of theSe waapons were controlled, the

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mother ship and picked up on the team's return to the mother
ship, so there was accountability for the weapons.

Mr. Baron. ‘Would it have been unusual to supply what we
have called an assassination weapon to a commando team?

Mr. Halley. Well, that depends on the mission: For
instance, let me use an example.

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6nough to put the charges on the tank. Some distance away
from them you would give them a second element of the commando
team which would be providing covering fire for this group in
case they got into trouble and cannot handle it on the ground.
“This covering fire group might have had a light machine gun,

a Belgian weapon. They could have thsse kinds of weapons and
they did have these kinds of weapons which in the definition you
are using could be used as a Sniper weapon or whatever, but the

basic reason for having that weapon was.to provide fire support

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this mission was over and they returned, those weapons wére
taken back from them and accounted for. They wera shaken down

so that we did not have weapons disappearing out of our

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control.

Mr. Baron. Such weapons, high-powered rifles with telescopic
scopes, conceivably with silencers, were Supplied with some
regularity, but they were kept under tight control?

Mr. Halley. We had high-powered rifles. I cannot think no
of a case where thera was a sniper scope attached to the rifle.

I can think of no case where there was a silencer attached to

a rifle in any of these commando raids. There were a number of

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is the Operation plan, does this list of equipment fifteen years

later look reasonable to you, I would be able to tell you yes

or no. . But off the top of my head, I do not recall a sniper

scope or a silenced rifle.

Mr. Baron. Do you know a man by the name of Rolando

Martinez?
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Mr. Baron. Yes.

Mr. Walley. Yes, I know of him. I have never met him

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infiltration team. He was a UDT man.

Mr. Baron. In the Harper's article, {t says that Martinez
indicated that "More than onca he was given personal charge of
weapons drops in which special rifles with silencers and tele-
scopic sights were left in designated inland spots.”

Do you know of a factual basis for that statement?

Mr. Halley. Martinez is undoubtedly factually correct when
he says he put caches on the ‘coast ofCuha that contained weapons
I do not Know how he would be abla to tell what kind of weapons
were in the cache. The reagon I say that is that when one of
these missions were planned, the cache was put together and
packed by our logistics group and once the cache was put

together it was brought on board the vessel and the cache was

then turned over to the team for infiltration so he would never

have seen the contents of the cache, he would not have opened
it up because it was always in a sealed container.
It is conceivable that in the pre-mission briefing that

he got hefore he went down that he was told that we are putting

din a cache containing a radio or putting in a cache containing

“weapons because that would influence what he selected as a

cache type. In other words, if it were a radio, we would want
it higher and drier than we would a can containing weapons that
were wraped in cosmolene and so forth. He might know that they
were Weapons, but he wouldn't know that they were silenced

and they had a scope. I must honestly say to you I doubt that.

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Mr. Baron. Did you know of any weapons drops that were
made for the purpose of supplying someone insida Cuba with a

weapon for the assassination of Fidel Castro?

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Mr. Halley. No, not for that clearly stated purpose. As

I told you, we put a lot of weapons caches in. The weapons were

multi-purpose weapons, could be used. I know of no cache that

went in specifically for the task of playing a contributory role
to assassinating Fidel Castro.

Mr. Baron. It would not have been contrary to the policy
directives under which you were operating at the time to
supply such a weapon to someone inside Cuba who might have
access to Castro?

Mr. Halley. No, it would not have been. For instance,

I can remember several resistance.groups thdat‘we had that had two or
three hundred men that we were supplying on a regular basis.

Mr. diGenova. Inside Cuba?

Mr. Halley. Inside Cuba, that were essentially living in
the bush to a large extent, whom we did supply weapons to and
got ammunition to them and so forth. And that was why I was
‘very careful when you mentioned this linkage before to saying
that I could not be a guarantor as to what these men would do
with these weapons once they got their hands on then. They
were free agents.

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what you have said is a concern of not only yourself in terms of
realizing that it was a possibility but: of -padple’lika Dean

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once thes# agents are in another country and are supplied that

there is little if anything we can do to control those weapons
after they receive them. It would be safa to say that that, of
course, was understood that thare was a lack of control, and

to the extent that it was a prohlem, it existed and had to be
tolerated because of the nature of the operation, would that

be correct?

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take armed action if we ever got a total package put together
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missions. Once we issued the weapons to the team leader, if

“you will, he had freedom to recruit from among the peasants

anybody he wanted to. If he gave the peasant a weapon, there

was no guarantee either by the team leader or by us that that
peasant would not do something that we did not want him to do,

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Mr. diGenova. Ware there any rastrictions, once, for

example, those weapons caches were delivered either by land or
air -- and we have spoken to Mr. Murray who was in the Havana

Station, for example, for awhile and Arthur Avignon:who

was hsad of the Havana Station for awhile who indicated that

they were aware of the weapons drops and,were intimately

familiar with where they would be.

Mr. Halley. That wus all before my time. I havea no
knowledge of that. During my time, we mada no drops by air.
Mr. diGenova. Wera there any limitations that were
placed of how the weapons would be used that were delivered into

Cuba to these internal resistance groups?

Mr. Halley. I cannot speak to this period that you are
addressing.

Mr. diGenova. During your period.

Mr. Halley. During my period, ths weapons were issued
essentially as self-protection for the people who were living
in the bush. Secondly, to be used in a military operation at

such time as we got the whole package together. Thirdly, they

‘were to be used for self-protection if they conducted reids,

ambushes, sabotage operations.

Mr. Baron. There is one further quote from Martinez in
this article that I would like to ask you to comment on.
He iS quoted as saying: "I took a lot of weapons to Cuba, some

of them were very special weapons for special purposes. They

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were powerful rifles with sophisticated scopes, Springfialds
with bolt action, rifles only used by snipers. They were not

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Underground was plotting to kill Castro and the CIA was helping

the Underground. I was with the Underground as well as the CIA,

so you can see I was involved in. the plots too, but that is
also obvious."

You commented before that. there was a lot of talk in the
air about assassinating Castro. Martinez seems to be taking

that a few steps further, saying that there wera actual plots

underway in the Cuban Underground to assassinate Castro and

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he participated in putting them in. ‘I again question how he
‘would know what was in each cache. I just do not see that, and
I would have to accept that as a sort of secondhand statement
by him because of the way that the caches were put together.

I just do not see his knowing that.

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Springfields did go in.
Mr. diGenova. Could he have found out about this after

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resistance in Cuba that he knew of who would have told him the
nature of the items that they would have received in a cache
delivery? Would that be one way that he could have found out?
Was he that intimately involved, to your knowledge?

Mr. Halley. He was not at the time. This is the period
that I am familiar with, '62-'65. I do not know. Maybe some
of these people have come out since then, and mabe he has
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with that statement and I cannot identify with it.
Mr. Baron. The Harper's article says: "By the end of

1961, several men affiliated with the CIA had already been

foiled in attempts to kill him" -- meaning Castro -~- "among
them, Luis Toroella, executed; Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo, still in
‘prison; William Morgan, executed; and Antonio Veciana, escaped

to the United Statas. Had these men succeeded, their efforts

would have been tied to the U.S. only indirectly, if at all."
Let me show you the passage I am reading from and ask

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Mr. Halley. No, there is no connection that I know of
between these names and CIA, This guy Luis Toroella does not
ring any bells witn me. Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo was a leader of
Alpha 66. He may have been in Cuba in '61. During the time

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was in Miami for -a long period of time.

Mr. Baron. Can you explain what Alpha 66 is for the
record?

Mr. Halley. Alpha 66 was a Cuban exile organization that
was engaged in a number of raids against the Cuban government.
They claimed to have attacked Cuban shipping, fishing boats, and
claimed to have an organization in Cuba that was a resistance
organization. Gutierrez Menoyo was therefore a well-known name
to me. We had no direct contact with him,

William Morgan is also a well-known name. His activities
and exploits in Cuba are well-known to anybody that has dealt
with Cuban affairs.

Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of a connection

‘between any of these people and assassination attempts against

Fidel Castro?

Mr. Halley. I have none, no connection between these names
and CIA and attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro.
Mr. Baron. The fact that they ars Listed here as having

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Mr. Halley. Well, no, I would not Say that. If you had
Gutierrez Menoyo sitting here and if he ware to say in 1962 I
attempted to shoot Fidel Castro, that is Gutierrez Menoyo did
this, I would have no reason to doubt. I would have no basis
for proving it, either.

Mr. Baron. You have naver heard of these alleged assassina47
tion attempts before?

Mr. Halley. No.

Morgan's name I would have to do a file trace to get myself
back up to date. Morgan did gat himself in trouble with Fidel
over some issue,, aS I recall was in prison. I do not recall,
remember if he was executed, although this says he was executed.

Mr. Baron. What about the last nama on the list,

Antonio Veciana?
Mr. Halley. “That. is a name that rings a bell with me, but

I do not attach anything to it. In other words, it is a name

T have probably read in various and sundry kinds of reports.
I remumber no-operational relationship with him between the Miam
Station and this man during my tenure in Miami.

Mr. Baron. During your tenure, would you have been in a
position to know that .these people had led assassination
attempts against Castro, if that were indeed the fact?

Mr. Halley. Not necessarily. IT would say that the odds

would have been high that we would have, particularly, say

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Gutierrez Menoyo. We did have a steady stream of raporting on-
the activities of all axile groups and Alph= 66 was high on the

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thing. Therefore, they received quite a bit of coverage from
us, from the FBI, from Customs, and others.
They were on everybody's sort* of watch list.

Mr. Baron. Let us tur now to a document that we will

introduce as Exhibit 4, which is a report by Fidel Castro on
alleged attempts to assassinate him that he connects to the
United States government and especially to the CIA.

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familiar to me. I do not know whether that was from the

Mr. Baron. Which was released recently by Gsorge McGovern,
to whom Castro had sent this report.

Mr. Halley, is it true that I had asked you to review this
report before we began our session today?

Mr. Halley. Yes, you did, you did ask ma to look at the
report.

Mr. Baron. Can you point to any namas or incidents in
this report that are connected in any way in your mind to

actual assassination attempts against Cuba‘ -- Castro?

Mr. Halley. No, I cannot point to any names that in my

mind are attached to an assassination attempt against Castro:
You asked me to look at this originally to see if any of the
names were familiar to me in any way. I made a list of some
of the names that rang a bell with me, for various reasons.

One name is Humberto Sori Marin. I recall that he was
active, he was active with the DRE.

Mr. Baron. At what page is that?

Mr. Halley. Thera is no page number.

For instance, here's a name, Humberto Sori Marin. That is

reporting showing that he was in prison, you know, ws constantly
got reporting on, or why, it is a name that I recognize in the
counterrevolutionary sense, that it is something that crossed

my desk, to See the name.

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That was a Cuban exile leader. Wa talked about Tony Varona. I
told you I did not know that tony Varona had any connection with
Mr. Harvey.

There is another name in here, Manolo Ray. I mentioned
Manolo Ray to you. He was one of two axile leaders who had a

relationship with the Agency. You know, I told you Artime was

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One; Manolo Ray is another. He is familiar to me as a result of
that. .

Mr. Baron. You did not know of any involvement of Manolo
Ray in an assassination affort against Castro?

Mr. Halley. I do not.

‘Here is: another name mentioned in the same paragraph,
Aureliano Sanchez Arango. That is a name that is familiar to
Me aS a prominent Cuban exile.

Mr. Baron. You have no more specific recollection?

Mr. Halley. I am trying to be responsive to your question,
telling you which names ring a bell with me as I run through
this.

Mr. Baron. All I am trying to do is clarify for the

“record the exact nature of your recollection of each of these

names.
Do you have any recollection of a plot alludad to in this
report to shoot Castro with a bazooka at the Havana Stadium?
Mr. Halley. No, I do not have any recollection of that.

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of '61 which I would not hava had any knowledge of because I
was not involved in Cuban affairs until, as I told,you, early
February 1962.

Mr. Baron. The same would go for the shooting of a
bazooka towards the Presidential Palace?

Mr. Halley. I have no knowledge.

Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of any efforts to
assassinate Fidel Castro run out of Guantanamo Bay Naval Base?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not. As you know, Guantanamo had
& number of Cuban exiles in it, people who had taken refuge in
the base at one time or another.:: During the’ time’ that I was the
Station Chief in Miami we did have contacts with people at
Guantanamo, We did use them for intelligence collection
purposes, but I do not have any linkage between that intelligenc
project and assassination.

Mr. Baron. Were paramilitary operations run out of
Guantanamo Bay?

Mr. Halley. They were not during my time as Station Chief

in Miami by CIA. There was an office of ONI, Office of

‘Naval Intelligence representative on Guantanamo. I have no

knowledge of what they may have been doing during various
periods of time. I am talking about CIA.

Mr. Baron. Any other names that struck a chord with you
in this report?

Mr. Halley. Well, you have a name here, Mario Salabarria

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Aquiar; that name rings a bell with me, for what reason, I do
not know. You know, we would have to run a name tracs.to get

a rundown of what is in the files and what is in the central
index for me to be able to comment on it. As I told you earlier
I know that the Agency is doing all these traces after they are

completed and you get them and you want me to take a look at
he.

it, I will be glad to do so, It may trigger some response.

This name, Ramon Grau Scerio, it rings a bell with me. It
is quite possible that he may have been a collection agent, just
as is written here. I am making a deduction, but again, I would
have to look at the name traces, but it is a name that rings a
bell with me.

Mr. Baron. You do not remember him in connection with an
attempt to poison the Prime Minister in June of 1965 as it says
there?

Mr. Halley. No, I do not.

Then the next name that is on here, that is familiar.

Here is one that we discussed, that is AMLASH-1. We already
went over that one.

The other name was Manuel Artime, whom we have talked
about.

Mr. Baron. Right.

Mr. Baron. The last name on here -- I cannot find it --

the other name is Antonio Cuesta Valle. I cannot find it now,

but that is the last name that rang a bell.

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Mr. Baron. Do you have any recollaction of Cuesta
Valle's specific activities with the CIA?

Mr. Halley. No. I would have to run traces on him and

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take a look at what the information is.

Mr. Baron. Was Frank Sturgis connected with the JMWAVE
Station?

Mr. Halley. He was not.

.Mr. Baron. Not under the name of Frank Fiorino either?

Mr. Halley. No, ha was not. This is again one of these
great myths. At this whole Cuba thing, Frank Sturgis was a
soldier of fortune, was constantly involved on the periphery

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Station. I remember name traces being run on this guy and so
forth, and the Agency had no contact with. him during that
Period of time.

Ms. Baron. Are you aware of his ‘ever having been on the
payroll of the CIA?

Mr. Halley. I personally am not aware of it, and I think,

you know,if ybu had gone to the Agency that they must ‘have ‘given

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Halley. Yes, I am.

Mr. Baron. How'was that spelled?

Mr. Halley. AMOT.

Mr. Baron. What was that program?

Mr. Halley. That was a program involving a Cuban emigre
group that was used as an operational support mechanism to
support the Miami Station.

Mr. Baron. What kind of support did they provide?

Mr. Halley. They were interviewers of refugees who came
out of Cuba. They provided translator personnel to translate
the Spanish language publications that were of interest to us.
They provided information on the various mainstream activities
that were going on in the Cuban exile community.

Mr. Baron. Did they provide ‘support for paramilitary
operations against Cuba?

Mr. Halley. They might have identified people whom they
thought we should interview or look to or see if they would
fit into other paramilitary programs. In other words, they
had the contacts .in the Cuban community. Say we had a require-
ment for a diesel engineer. We would say to the AMOT organiza-
tion, we would say we are looking for a Cuban who is a diesel
engineer who has a first engine's license, and they would go.
through all of their contacts until they would come up with

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the fellow, where he was, what he was doing. ‘We would then

Send somebody around to talk to him indepandant of them and
pick him up to work for us in our maritime activities.

It was that kind of operational support.

Mr. Baron. People who were part of this program were
not used as paramilitary operatives, at least insofar as they
operated under the aegis of this program. There were some of
them who may have been in the paramilitary program and then .
left it and were subsequently picked up in the AMOT organiza-
tion. ,

Could we go off the record for a moment?

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Malley. We are now back on the record,

The AMOTs also worked with us on a common project, which
was monitoring Cuban naval traffic, things like that, so they
were used across the hoard for operational support tasks.

Mr. Baron. One more general question.

Did the JMWAVE Station have an operational relationship

the FBI?

Mr. Halley. I would not --

Mr. Baron. Was the FBI involved. in supporting your
activities in any way?

Mr. Halley. I would rather phrase that in my language,
because I think --

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thing to me. I would prefer to say we had a liaison relation-
ship with the FBI, that is, on matters dealing with counter-
intelligence matters. There was a regular.exchange of data
with the FBI. There was an exchange of name traces on people
that they were conducting investigations on. for: counterintelli
gence purposes,We would trace certain individuals and with the
FBI there were a couple of counterintelligence cases that we
discovered that were turned over to the PAI,

So this is in the context of the normal CIA-FRI liaison
that existed between the two agencies.

Mr. Baron. ‘But the FBI was not involved in supporting
paramilitary commando raids to the shore of Cuba, is that
correct?

Mr. Halley. i do not know what you are driving at.

there. I am having a little trouble with that. Are you saying

that the PBI dispatched paramilitary teams to Cuba as

an organization?

Mr. Baron. Were they involved in paramilitary training

“of any of the CIA operatives?

Mr. Halley. No. The FBI did not train any CIA personnel
during my tenure in the Miami Station.

Mr. Baron. Did the FBI at any point provide with you
links to people who had gambling interests inside Cuba?

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lead of the two Soviets from the missile site, and that did not
come to the Miami Station through the FBI.

Mr. Baron. Were you aver made awara of a CIA attempt to
secure the aid of a pilot, a Cuban pilot, to arrange for an
“accideht," to occur to Raul Castro when ha flew on a Cuban
plane?

Mr. Halley. I read this somewhere in tha record in post
years, but I was not aware of this at the tima, at the time I
was in Miami.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware that serious consideration had
been given to the tactic of assassination at CIA Headquarters
during your period of involvement ‘with Cuban affairs?

Mr. Halley. No, that is in the period 1962 to '65.when
I was the Station Chief in Miami, I was not aware of any serious
you know, program operational effort towards assassinating
Castro.

Mr. Baron. Were you aware that serious consideration had
been given to’ the tactic or to the use of the tool of assassina-
‘tion at CIA Headquarters prior to your coming on as JMWAVE
Station Chief?

Mr. Halley. No, I was not aware of any, you know, planned
program effort at assassination.

Mr. Baron. If we limit it an

Mr. diGenova. What. do you mean when you say that?

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Mr. Halley. I went through this before before you came

in and explained to Mr. Baron that the subject of assassination
was constantly being discussed in the Cuban community and was a
part of the fabric of the times.

Mr. diGenova. That I am aware of. You are not the only
One who has expressed that knowledge that they were all saying
let's kill him, let's get together. .

. Mr. Halley. There was a lot of discussion of this kind of
subject of assassination and that is why I keep trying to be
precise that there was no programmatic operational program that
I was aware of to assassinate Castro.

Mr. Baron. Although the context in which we discussed the
talk that was in the air of assassinating Castro was coffee shop
in Miami and conversation among Cubans as opposed to conversa~
tions among high CIA officials back in Headquarters, were you
aware that there were at least serious discussions of the
use of assassination against Castre at CIA Headquarters?

Mr. Halley. No, I was not. We are plowing the same
that we covered before in this.

As I indicated to you, people would come out of Cuba and
discuss these kinds-of things. ‘Some of these were reported in,
you know, traffic back to Washington. People would discuss
what are the prospects of somebody assigned to assassinate
Castro. In that particular context, yes, discussions on the

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back, if. you are saying that if anybody outlined an operational
plan to me, aia I help construct the plan, did I make a contri-
bution to a plan, my answer ig again no. We talked earlier,
you asked me about those exploding sea shells of which I said

I had never heard of but I had heard discussions of Castro's
vulnerability because he was a scuba diver. And you asked me
about bacteria, I said I had never heard of an introduction of
bacteria, but I had heard again about Castro's vulnerability

in this context. Where I heard it, as I told you before, I do

not remember.

Mr. Baron. I realize we are plowing some of the same

furroughs again. I am trying to be meticulous in the way you

were before. You just now said that the subject of assassina-
tion probably came up in the context of discussing the contin-
gencies of Castro's death. Did it come up in terms of discus-
sing whether or not a plan should be put together to assassinate
Castro, whether or not an operation should be mounted --

Mr. Halley. 'I cannot recall any such discussion, but in

‘any state where there is a leadership dominated by one man, it

‘is always a discussion of succession. That question has come

up, you know, if something happened to Fidel Castro, if he is
thrown over, if he doss something foolish himself or if somebody
is successful in assassinating him, somebody who decides sudden-
ly to take his machetti and just get out in tha sugar cane

field, again, the question was, who replaces Castro, and we

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generally focused on Raul. There was talk of a collective

leadership.

These are all kinds of things that ara always done. against

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that kind of a one-man state, whether it is, you know, a
Communist state or whatever you want to talk, call ita

military dictatorship or a dictatorship of the Bight or the

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Mr. Baron. Again, discussion of what to do upon the
contingency that Castro dies, by whatever means --
Mr. Halley. Non-Agency induced.
Mr. Baron. As opposed to this, which is my qusstion:

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Castro?

Mr. Halley. I do not recall any such discussion. That
is why I have gone into all this background to try to explain
the mood of the times and that is why I keep referring to, in
my Sense of the word, asa professional intelligence officer, -
of an operational plan, I was not a participant in any discus-
“sion in which an operational plan for the assassination of
castro was discussed. That is, I think, the heart of the
matter.

Mr. Baron. I have no further quastions.

Joe, do you have any?

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in terms of reporting from Miami?

Mr. Halley. Could we go off the record?

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. diGenova. Mr. Halley, we have just had a brief
discussion here about some of tha things that were covered
before I arrived by Mr. Baron and*you. I do not want to cover
any more of that ground.

it is my understanding in discussing the structure of
JMWAVE's relationship with Headquarters, General Lansdale's
name came up, and that on one occasion, General Lansdale actually
came down to Miami to visit the Station to get firsthand

knowledge of what was transpiring. Is that correct?

Mr. Halley. That is correct.

Mr. diGenova. Do you have-any idea when that was?

Mr. Halley. No. I stated earlier it was in 1962. It
probably was in the summer of 1962 because it was after my
family arrived in Miami. I do not remember the exact dates.
It could be established probably from records of the Agency.

I do not recall it specifically.

Mr. diGenova. To your knowledge, did he-travel by himself

or was he with compatriots or aides?

Mr. Halley. My recollection of that was that he came down

on a special airplane. There may have been other people on the
plane with him, I do not recall, but he landed at Homestead

Air Force Base. As I recall, we picked him up from there.

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Mr. diGenova. Did General Lansdale travel under his own

name or under a cover name?

Mr. Halley. Throughout the time that he was in contact
with me and the Station he was operating as General Lansdale.

Mr. diGenova. Did he have contact when ha was there with
some of the assets themselves? ;

Mr. Halley. He had no contact with any Cubans that I am
aware of. He did spend the night that he came down with some
friends at Homestead Air Force Base, but I do not recall, I
would have no way of knowing what he did that evening.

Mr. diGenova. For the time that he was at JMWAVF he was
with officials such as yourself who had a supervisory capacity
at JMWAVE Station?

Mr. Halley. That is correct.

Mr. diGenova. I have no further questions.

Mr. Baron. On the record, I just want to thank you for
your testimony here today. It has been a long day and we
have gone over a lot of things quite carefully and it has been
most informative.

I would also like to ask you, if you would, to pursue for
us that one name of the man who was connected with gambling
interests in Cuba and supplied somé intelligencs to JMWAVE
Station. .

(Discussion off .the record.)

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pelieved he wes tein, supported oy U.S. wusinesonen with

in Cuba. Roselli needed Cioncana and Tratficaate
in the fi >a means of mstablisning contacts inside Cuba.
He did not need them in the second phase, ‘pecause he had Varona.
However, it would be caive to assume that Roselli did not take
the precaution of informing higher-ups’ in the syndicate taat he

was working in 4 territory considered to te the private domain

of scmeone else in the syndicate.)

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requested ams and ecuipment needed for me support of bis end of the

operation - Roselli passed tae request to Harvey. Harvey, with the

pelp of Ted Shackley, the chief of the JMWAVE Statics, procured

explosives, detonators, twenty .30 caliber rifles, twenty whS caliber

nand guns, to radios, and one yoat radar. Harvey says that the

“snopping List" included some items that could be obtained only from

the U.S. Goverrarent. Harvey onitted those items, tecause Roselli,

. posing a5 4 representative of private business interests, would not

have ned access to suca equipaent- Gare cost of the arms and equiyment,
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cet avaut Gindependently to

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assure himself that the equipment reached the pnve! hands. After

parking the truck, Harvey aad Snackley kept the parking lot, under

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O'Connell, did the sane. Neither pair knew that the other wis

watching. Eventually the truck was picked d driven away.

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