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PERSONAL RECORD QUESTIONNAIRE
PART Ut - OPERATIONAL INFORMATION

INSTRUCTIONS TO CASE OFFICER

£. This form wast be filled ian by the cave officer of apprepreate authority on the basis of the beat available im
forostias. Lt is sot te be shown to the tubsect. . :

2. Nerealiy, beadquerters will be onebie to sasee an opprovel eniess reqsester furs
$0 PRO parts f and 23. However, su am emergency prowisrsaal approvel aay be obte
wiicable provasions of FE 10-215. paregraphs 6a. 8. 126 sed t2d. Thereafter the
plete she cave auet be foileved as set forth so FE 10-295.

3. Three (3) compieted copies of PRO part Tf (ancivding copy im sobject+e henduriting, if possibie) snd two (2) coe-
pleted copies of this fers auat be sent te hestquertera as es0n a8 possible.

4. Bete sequired later wurst be seat to heudquarterea in PRO forust in two (7) copiea.

5. Basl am ali cteur, af information obtesaabl got applicable erste °NA.* If additional space required
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QOaTACT AND CEVELOPRERT

+ IMOUCATE woe, GHEM, BHERE. SHY, AND OY BHOM SIGIECT BAS FIOST CONTACTED O@ DEVELOPED.
In response to Headquarters requests, London Station officer George H. KatZenbach
contacted Sudject in London in mid-January 1955 for tre purpose of debriefing Aim on
his exzeriences in the pro-ChiCom milieu in Africa and vestern Europe up to the tine
of his departure from the staff of Revolution in sping 1964. This was followed up by
in-depth debriefing sessions carried cut vy Katzenbach in a PBSWING conference rocn
on 27,16,19 and 23 Pebruary. Om the basis of these talks it was decided to reemiit
Subject for a test assignment in Algiers during the simmer of 1965 during which time
he world attempt to mild long-term access and cover for reporting on activities and
perscealities in the Afro-Asian comminity. KUDESK/I0G staffer Joseph S. Tiffany
wes Gispatched to London TDL 1-7 Jume for this purpose. sium After recruitment end
egreement to LOFIVITER examination, Subject was introduced to his Paris-based Case
Officer, Rufus F. PODIGAST, on 3 June. :

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IRGICATE Ge WER SUBJECT COULD BE TURNED CVER QUICKLY and 3m & SECURE MANNER TO ANY RESPONSIGLE CASE OFFICER FOR
HamDL inc. FF SO. tmDICATE TO Wom.

Yes/ To any Case Officer introduced to him by RODIGASP, TIFFANY or

RAST OTRER CASE OFFICERS G80 MAVE HANDLED SUBJECT OF @OM WE KNOWS OR HAS EROBNM. GIVE WAMES BY BHICH THEY WARE
seem a0C7ER. .

KATZENBACH - known to Subject as “Earl Wilson"
TIFFAEY - ° * © " “Robert 'Zob* Gustke”
RopIcasr =? "paul Weller"

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MOTIVATION AnD CONTROL

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1. ESTIMATE SUBJECT“S moTEVATION., (Be detailed, 14 preseble cere evidence. Do not wee efock commmat och 28 “a0
coewmumies.°)

Subject's lack of funds and a job are of primary importance. His need for

cash (evidenced to some extent by his atteagt to articles to China Qurterly,
Encounter and Atlantic Monthly in the fall of ' was critical. But of even

greater significance is bis desire to effect his lonz-range rehabilitation in order
not to be stuck in the morass of the impecunious and “morally fravdulant” extreme left)

2. IMOSCATE HAT COMTBOL, IF amv, EXISTS OVER Tes sussec¥. (11 so control, or if there is « lack of weal control
explesa.) .

the rest of his life. nise important in Subject's motivation is the sense of
adventure connected vith "Ihe Game", which is enhanced by his desire to deceive
(to put one over on) those persons, such as Verges, vho exploited and deceived hin.
Subj. evinces deep contempt for these professional revolutionaries and what be
refers to, vith feeling, as their “uoral fraua".

potre a.quite strongly in the area of Subject's material velfare and

» COVER USED BV SUBJECT anO CASE OFFICER Im THEIR MEETINGS.
Subj. explained to his wife that “Wilson” (Katzenbach), who telephoned his home
was an American publisher's representative. Subj. and Rodigast will use a journalist
literary agent cover in the unlikely event their clandestine meetings are compromised.

2. COVER USED BY SUBJECT tH OBTAINING HIS INFORMATION amd IN COMTACTING HIS INFORMANTS.

Freelance journlist, author. - rargrnpetlitea ae teeT

- EMDICATE SEQVICE FOR mxtGe SUGJECT THtmns WE (Will werk) (fe working).

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SECTION 1¥ INTELLIGENCE COWRECTIONS ASD TRAINING

2. EXPLAIN SUBIECT*S ENOGN PAST OF PRESENT COMMECTION BIT ANY OTHER INTELLIGENCE SERVICE. INDICATE THE ERTENT
SuQe COmmECTIOn (S$ adem Oveanir. .

Subj. applied for association with KUBARK in 1950 and again in 1960; his enexies
have tried to discredit him by calling his a KUSABK agent, but there is good evidence
that this rumor campaign bas not burt him among his friends, even his friends on the
extreme left of the po tical s um. Ho knom I. S. comection.

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2 EXPLAIs any TRAINING SUBJECT HAS HAD IM CLANDESTINE GPERATIONS.

Basic security tradecraft briefings in London 1 - 7 Jue 1965;
SW training in Paris 14 June: 1965. ;

SECTION ¥ COLLABORATION POTENTIAL

J. *OCATE OTHER FOREIGH PORER SUBIECT GOULD BE MOST LIEELY TO COLLABORATE Bite BECAUSE OF WES FDEOLOGY OF PAST
ASSOC UATICNS. EXPLAIN.

British. . Subj. resided in London from June '6% to June "65. His vife is
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SECTION VI OPERATIONAL USE ~ CONTACT

f. 1F SUBJECT HAS BEEN USED OM COMTACTED BEFORE. INDICATE ACTEVETY «6 Grit ME GAS ENGAGED AND Tw TYPE OF «NF OR
MATION ME HAS FUNNISHES. ,

In December 1963 Subj. was interviewed by a consulate officer in Paris for
information on Lee Harvey Oswald, who reportedly had some contact with the Fair
Play for Cuba Committee. Subj. was completely co-operative and the interviever
suggested follow-up, but the contact wes dropped.

+ INDICATE 40@ AND FROW GHOw SUBJECT OBTAINS INFURMATION.

Sdbj. elicits information from his broad circle of friends and acquaintances
in the Afro-Asian/liberation movement areas.

+ INDICATE GHaAT WAS @EEM TOLD SUBJECT AS TO THE DESPOSETION OF INFORWATIIN ME SURNISHES,

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+ OETAIL SUBJECT*S PROPOSED Ft OR Ct YVPE USE OR DUTIES.
Subject will operate under free lance journalist cover to develop contacts
in the target milieu of Afro-Asian “Anti-imperialist” activity and solicit informa-
tion from them on their activity, plans and views. It is possible that such
contacts may lead to a possibility of employment or association with some organ-
ization in this field, but whether or not he will be instructed to accept will
depend on the specific nature of the job and similar factors which cannot be
anticipated nov,
+ DETAIL SUBJECT*S PROPOSED OF-Pu TYPE USE Of OUTIES.
Ko PM duties or use is anticipated. No systematic CA exploitation is
anticipated given the risk of compromise. Selective CA exploitation within his cover
situation - i.e. as a provacateur or means to surface anti-Soviet material
froma a "Rational Liberation" standpoint - will te continually possible.

SECTION Vit PROPOSED LIAISON OR OPERATIONAL ACTIVITY
1. DETAIL SUBJECT'S PROPOSED LLALSON TYPE CONTACT OR OPERATIONAL USE:
B. MUFRE SUBJECT 15 AN OFFICIAL MEMBER OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT:

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@. one syasecT 1S Am OFFICIAL MEWBER OF An ODYONE AGENCY:

SECTION Vitt AGENCY RELATIONSHIP wiTH SUBJECT %

t- EXPLAIN MATURE OF AGENCY RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBJECT: 1.€. TRAINEE, OPPOSITE MUWGER, REMUNERATION, IF any: AGENCY
veasow Bb). has a contract for 1 Jone - September 1965 providing for salary of |
$500.00 per month, non-accountable expenses of $100.00 per month and per diem
computed at the rate of $20 for days spent travelling to and from Algiers and

$10 for period of residence in Algiers. (The $10 rate represents an oral amendment
to the contract.) This is to be renegotiated o/a 1 September for extension to

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QUALIFICATIONS FOR OTHER OPERATIONS

tf. EMDICATE SPECAL ABILITIES. TALEMTS, OR QUALIFICATIONS POSSESSED BY SUBJECT BHICH COULD CONCEIVABLY Bf OF wALUE
FOR OTHER OPERATIONS.

Subject's skill as writer/editor may qualify him for CA work.

UF PAYMENT TO GE WADE tm ExCranGe

+ HF TT 1S PROPOSED TO PAY SUBJECT A REGULAR SALARY, INDICATE THE PEEKLY alOunT.
COmMODETIES, SUBSIDY JR OHTA MIMICS, SPECSEVY AND GIVE DETAILS.

See Section VIII. In addition it is set forth in the Letter of Agreement
with Subject, that KUBARK will compensate Subject for any relocation of his family
required by virtue of an approved change in place of employment.

B+ ERPLAIN ANY PROMISES, OTHER@ISE NOT COVERED MEREIN, wade 12 SUBJECT. (Example: Commitnents regarding evscoation
of subject and family.)

See Letter of Agreement. KUBARK recognizes its moral obligation to protect Subject ;
egainst any adverse action which might result from activities engaged in by Subject
at the request of KUBARK during his period of employment.

SECTION XI CE AND SECURITY

« ENDICATE THE FEELO AGENCIES AnD FIELD FILES @9TH OHICH SUBJECT*S MAME HAS BEEN CHECKED AND TWE MESULTS.

London, Algiers, Paris Station files; JAGUAR, ODENVY traces and reports are also
included in material available on Subject.

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+ UNDICATE OYTHEG INVESTIGATIVE MEASURES TAKEN TC VEREFY BIOGRAPHICAL {HFORMATION FURNISHED BY SUBJECT.

Reports have been-received by various QKOPERA contract agents.
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+ EVALUATE SUBJECT’S CHARACTER. RELIABILITY amO SECURITY. CITING EVIDENCE BHERE POSSIBLE.

Subject is a rather cynical intellectual. He has a keen sense of vhat is in his
best interest, however, and there is mex every reason to believe that he considers a
reliable and secure performance for KUBARK to be in his best interest. He showed
@ good sense of security in commmications during his recruitment period. LCFLUTIER
examination 13 June 1965 revealed no deception by Subject.

G+ ERPLAIN ANY SITUATION OR INDISCRETION Im OwICH SUBJECT MAY wave BEEN INVOLVED BHICH MUST SE EVALUATED FROw A
CE/OPERATIONAL SECURITY VIEeProint.

While working for AFP in Paris (1958) Subject forged the signature of a personal
enemy, Ollie Harrington, to a letter to the editor calculated to get Harrington in
trouble with French authorities. Subject ahsamed of this action.

SEcTtOm xtt SUBJECT’S PERSORAL HABITS

t. VSE OF Liquee, onucs: GAMBLING, PARAMOURS.

Liquor in moderatiion, no drugs. He is believed to have engaged in extra-earital
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1s EBDICATE SUBSECT°S HOBBIES OR EMTEMEST tH SPORTS, MUSIC. ETC:

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: ts MMDICATE GHETHER SUBJECTS LamCUACE ABILITIES AND OTWER CHARACTEMIBTICS, AME SUCH AS ME COULO FASS AS A NATIVE

Hf OF A COUNTRY OR BECIOCN OTHER THAN WIS COM. EXPLAIN. ‘
; Subject speaks fluent but foreign-accented French. He has a functional specking
: command of Spanish and Italian and can read German. Except for his language,

be could pass as an Algerian.

+ ENDICATE BWETHER INFORMATION 1% PAG PARTS 1 AND Of BAS OBTAINED Gy RESEARCH. CLABDESTiwE ASSESSMENT, FILES,
CORRESPONDENCE Of OTHER MEANS.

All source, including extensive interview of Subject during the period
January - June 1965

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« 1F QTWER THAN ROUTINE ACTION 1S REQUIRED, 17 “ND BHEN TERMINATION OF SUBJECT 15 EFFECTED. PLEASE EXPLAIN. (Also
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*OvTSiel Getiisa of contact was phone call to Subject's home (by Katzenbach) using
etx the name Wilson. Subsequent RODIGAST contacts have been laid on at prior meetings
and vary as to time and place. As signal is provided for (removal of glasses, which
both wear) should either vish to prevent the meeting. A simple carbon-ped type, low
Jevel SW was used by Subject for sending emergency messages to a Paris drop. This
has been replaced by an open code system to cover specific requirements, laid a% on at

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1. Pursuant to the suggestion contained in DIR 04341, 23 April 1965,
; we asked JAGUAR to lay on such coverage as they could manage. After some
: weeks has passed, and JAGUAR had not moved in this direction, we repeated
our request, pointing out that STEBCNY/1 would scon be leaving. Short~
handed and hampered by certain restrictions, JAGUAR moved in to do what
i they could, and their coverage was due to start almost at the same tine
{ as TIFFANY was to begin hia meetings with 3/1. We contacted JAGUAR and

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JAGUAR Report of STEBONY Surveillanocs

: ACTION REQURED

told them to lay off (much to our chagrin) for the time being. This they _
did, but then, without our being advised, they resumed their coverage. 1
We don't know exactly how long they sctually had him in their sights, - is
but they have now given us a letter (text below) suggesting that he was :

watohed on 5, 6 and 7 June. A JAGUAR officer advised us informally :
that s/ 1 "seemed to be out-of tom" for one or two days. (TIFFANY bed
mentioned that he might take S/1 to the country for a day, but we don’t
know whether in fact he did so.) See ; ; :

- 2. Here is JAGUAR's notes

"as explained in conversation on the 8th June, 1965, we ;
have received a report on S/1's movements during the period 5th — ts
7th June, 1965. Nothing of interest was learnt about his movenents *
on the 6th and 7th June, but you may be interested in the following H
information relating to the 5th Junet —- i ae

. ®s/1 left his home at 11.25 and travelled by taxi to 4 hte
. ‘ the Haymarket where he entered the American Express offices. fe i:
~ He obtained a ticket for an air passage to Brussels and .
a train journey to Basle, thenoe to Lausanne and Paris where
he was due to arrive on the 10th June. He paid £20-29-1d
_ for bis ticket. He left the American Express at 12.30 and
subsequently retumed home at 13.20 hours. -~ .
“He left home again at 14.05 and went to the Clarendon
Court Hotel in Maida Vale. He came out of the building
after five minutes and wandered around for twenty minutes
before returning to the hotel. He stayed there until 18.45
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know which room 8/1 had visited. The contact, of course, was TIFFAZY,
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Chlef ef Station, Algiers; Chief ef Station, Lenden.

Chief of Station, Paric/LCPIPir
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. . Gn 12 June 1965 SIERO /) not KwtF Carver Agent fufus FP. RODIGAST

__ &9 Paris in accordance with instructions and fer the next three dsys underuent
- debriefings, briefings, an LCFLSTTER examination, end training in preperation
fer his cumer 1965 ecaignument te Algiors. At ths conclusion ef this ported
LCPIPIT felt that 5/2: na@ absorbed enffietently tha guidance given bin,
hed responded satiefactorily to Case Officer eentrol, was apparently clear of
hastiie direction, and wag motivated to psrfora creditably throughout his three-
wosth trial exployment.

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Ce RODIGAST report om STPROMY/1"s commate re Frent
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end poriaps one day a “lose covert” position. At this ties in our relationship
with S/l, however, LOPIFIT ts concerned pricarily with what to do with hin
on 1 Septesber 1965. In fact, in view of the 19-20 June developments ‘in Algiers
amd the possible postponement of most of tho activities 3/1 was to cover in
efforts to reastablish hingelf as « lesitimste propacsndist for national liber
‘" etion movements, WISARK may find it not only feasible, but necessary, to revise
S/l‘a initial KUGAAK mission,

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he relates his sceexcplishzents and probless throuah S/d cosmagiications amt in .
swetings with RODIGAST. we shall be subaitting recomendations on 3/1's longer
term utility to EUGASZ as we have sore information upon whieh to sake cam

 gontinusd end coordinated guidenes on how best to exploit the miqua potential
seprecented by tits asset.

1. On 3 deme 1965 STEBOWZ/1 cigned a letter of agreement with

Weller.” RODISAST met at length with 3/1 on 3, 5, and 6 Jum and este arrange
ments for 2/1 to eeot him in Paris 12 Jue and undergo further training, oriefinz,
@nA security processing prior to embarking on a trial assignment of sccm 10 weeks.

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{ &. On 14 end 15 Jame RODIOAST again oot with S/) for further
debricfings on the latter's contects in Paris. RODIGAST then briefed his oa:
KUIUES requirezents for 4910K2 end passed on the requirument> a4 itic.walm
forwarded in DIR 13107 esd DIR 18675. RODIGAST’s reports on these esetings
are also included in Attachzent 3 (USC). Os 18 June S/] wes passed $500.00
as on advance on hia por diem ami trevel espengee for his next oesiing with
RODIGAST. RODIGAST considers 5/) an apt student who learned the &/W systen
wall in ecm tio hours of instruction. Paris XURIOP Officer DONAXY noted
eons carelessness on 5/1‘'s part in tho test messages, and this was subsequently
brougnt to S/2'e attention in the overall apcurity Sriefing be rece received fros
RODIGAST.

precerrenged meeting sites and tines, 3 one-way S/v system, ani the use of the

Classified advertising section of the Algiers £1 Foudjahid (received daily in

} Paria) by 3/1 to signal a postponceent of meeting dates. The one-my system vas

; chooen for this initial stage of the agent's operational relationchip with KUEAR
for reasons of security; given the operational climate in Algiers sand the '
specific cireles in which 3/2 sust move, and edding to the sudden political :
upheaval in Algeria, 3/1] would not be in a position to receive incoming comcun-
festions safely. As of 23 June 3/1] hed initiated S/v correspondance, his initial
effort being alearly lezible aad the content operationally worthuhile. (Seo
Attachzent FP).

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} Rom. (Sea OFLA 2533 for LCPIPIT’s request for Rom Station support.) In

i view of the events that have just taken place in Alzeria the seeting may well
te concerned as auch with rethinking 3/1's operational objectives for Uw ,

‘ period following 16 July as with debtricfings, briefings, and passage of funda. :

ia Even thouch letest indications ere that Beotms II will precsed es scheduled,

4t im questionable whethar the AAJA or the Afro-Asian Komen'’s conference will be :
helé in Algters this mzmsr. Moreover, there is no ssaurance et this writing i

' that MIBIMCH will not be either postponed, canceled, or coved elssuhere. Add

~ t@ this the possibility that TEN A aight be on the scens profiting from the

I exiden rise in the political fortmes of his friends, and Algiers suddenly

| loses some of ite appeal as an area in which to carry out a esaningful test

ote. of S/i‘e opsrational capabilities, The next three wooks will tell us mich
; and perhaps allay many of our epprehensions. ~ oo
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7. Bewertholess, RODIGASY must be prepared to handle a mumber of 1
eventualities in his 15 July meeting, not the least of these being a possible !
revision of 5/l's mission. The following possibls alternatives present then-
selves; wa ack Headquarters to address its atteution te thes and to other :
éavelopzeental targets end to ceble recommendations and guidance prior to 15 fo

daly:

a& Bi to reunin on eite, contisns his offerte to sstahitet
eredentials ani find a job in Algiers, or elachere, in the national liberation
moversnt, and report cn political cevelogumnts in Algeria.

B. ai to travel te Der es Salaam to look into the Job offer made
“qe tins age by Dannie PerUnha.

po O/i te proceed to Brussels to continue development of THER B
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wae D. 8/1 to return to Lenton to write up reports and operational
"proposals and polish up the trenalation of IE B's book.

BE. Si to follow the IEMDKE caravan wherever it may lead (perhaps
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operational sdvence deposited to hin Swies bank account. Thess paysents ere
being mode in edvance because of 5/l's initially preasing financial needs.
2t 4s our understanding that the 1 July end 1 August 1965 cepoatts of $600.00
to 8/1's Suissa bank secount will ba effected securely and on tine through
: BIMAD/) (pce DIR 20924 and DIR 21703). Action wa also taken to clarify the
. questicn of 5/l's per diew. tie have received his initial acoountings for trevel,
" per dicz, an4 operational expences for the period 8 - 12 Juns.
. 20. O8 the basis of information available to LCPIPIY, 3/1 has received :
the follewing payments from KUBARX sinco he waa first contected in London by ‘
Georgs H. XATZENBACH in January of this year (we have no record et hand of the
MUBARX funds peesed 3/1 by PAIBRAK of KEMESIS):
—~——- AGE DATE cCopeure
$300.00 1/25/65 ({o/a) Ops payment per DIA 78506
200 S265 Ops paywent per ORLY 21669
800.008 April/65 Ops payment per DIR 95978
§00.00 Ray/65 Ops paysent per DIR 08351
100.00 6/2/65 Ops payment per DIR O4541 (signing bemss)
500.00 6/3/65 Opa salary edvance for Jume/653
100.60 6/3/65 Sloneccountable ops advance for June/65
200.00 6/3/55 Travel ani por diem edvance
200.00 6/12/65 Travel Advance
500.00 C/IR/ES Travel and per diem advance.

TOTAL: $5,100.00 -- ~

os Ll. Beginning with the Ope payxent in May 1965, these payments have
: to YGHTTCH. In ecidition to his preasmnt
ealary of $500.00 per month and his $100.00 monthly nonaccomtable advance for
@ the foPlowing under the letter of

— “e _: @@wence ep are specifically authorized by OOYOKE. -.

ef S/1 and his fanily to a new residence if sueh relocation is considered
@estrabdle ty 3/1 and ODYORE. ;

a) per dion at the rate of $20.00 per day during periods
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. with minimal stimulatian, 4/2 seems to aave good command of ths Yrench language

TI. PRE LDUFARY ASSESSRNT

. 12. At this stage tn KUBAIK's relationenip with STHBONY/1 it is
well to note certain factars thet must be taken into conaideration as wo sok
te devise a longor-ters operstion centered on his capabilities and potential.
For the cake of brevity, {f no* precision, m3 will discuss these factors wmdcr
the followiag heetiness sa Ascots, rtirvetinn, Uardltipz & Avidanra, ;
Security, Termination, ami KUSARS Operational Requirecunts. .

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Afrioan offairs (capectally in left-wing fields), Puropean Trotekyists snd
Comsmists andi their ganerel milieu, and Chinest-criented internsticnal front
organizations. 3tallerly, he appears to be informed on certain Chicom efforts at
subversion and propaganda in Latin Amsrica.” <cmbined with this knowledge and
wadersotending is a long list of perecnal contacts in left-wing revolutionary
eireles end a reputation as an articulate and committed agitator for natianal
itberaticon soversents.

18%. The Agent emules on ofr of self-confidence ani presents himself
wall and dynemically in interpereonal relationships. He has demonstrated talent
as © working Journalist, eepecially as a reporter. while we have limited infor-
sation here upon which to dase an evaluation of the accuracy anc thoroughness of
hig reporte, they have tended te be conaistent on ths uhole end reveal tho vorkings
of a mind capable of storing may vast emounts of information ei recalling it

of discasfort end hardship as the case may require. Hm is able to use cameras
qixl tepe recorders operationally, and he quickly learned e/w techniques. i

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imeurence, etc. Hs has even alluded to an interest in working for 20D10AS?'s
“gervice® tn a “lesa covert” capacity sosetine in the future.

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with thich he bed been ao intimately involved. lis hag never goon so far és :
to renames bis birthright and citismship, Aor does bs consider hinzelf ay

causes of tne downtrodden Catena, tim colonially conressed Africans, the
organizationally suddved “young Turks” of orthodex cecmmmist and otzer leftist
movecsnta, ete. There is ne quection thet in hin syzpstay for such causes he
overstepped the bounds of reascn ant good semac, but it is doubtful that be
actually committed any treasonadle offense. One has the feeling that 5/1
weelly ssusht to hadse his bets on tim revolutionariss by putting cut feelers
to MUBAR.

waresarding, though there ie little indication that he didn't enjoy such of fi
what he did or that bo cosan't ecnsider the causes of the national iiberation ;
wovenents a just end honorehle canes. He may, sixply, hove reappraiced the
reaults of scae years of revoluticmary activity with e someunst jaundiced
eye ani Geciced it was tice for a change.

22. Certainly &/1 tutlis a cenvinecing cess about thn reasons
for tie break with CEH Cc, but it must also be noted that ideology is not
emong then. If anything, it would seem be was reacting to @ breseh of contruct | i
and perhaps wounded pride. The not result seemed to te a well of resentzans 7
aguinst ore individual, wiibh resentoent fermented inte spite and determination ; :
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that RODICAST wes concerned for hia velfare. : sy

WO, RODIGAST feels that he can eanage S/l's celf-assertian and =~
dynanien, end LOPIPIT pointe to RODIGAST's recom of handling “difficult”
agents. RODIG¢S?'s experience is reeesuring in this connection, ani we hove
ho res#rvatiana about RODIOAST’s ability to keep STEDQIY/) eotiveted in the

wonths ahead.

“ Ri. A last word on the etter of handling: ‘turn-over, 980 fa:
G/l has dealt with KATZRNSACH, TIFFANY, and RODIGAST and haa been fortheoning
with all. There is no indication et this early stage thet he has placed his

relationship with KUAAIK on a parson-to-percon plana nor are xe sure he
should ba encouraged to do eo. As representatives of ODYUKE the three
persons mentioned above have epparently earned 5/1's trust, and anyons

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changes in case officers aight be concernsd. ‘te would point out,
though, that 3/1 has teen handled sympathetically and without hostility
Gate &ed that those who have dealt with him wuld strongly advise firm in-
etion ani against a provocative or heavy-hasled approach te
wach a coeplex ani self-centered personality.
SECURITY:

R. G/l's very background 1s enough to pose all tho eecurity
prohlerg one wuld wast to contend with in any operation. At the saw
time it is trat wery backzroud thet makes him valuable to KUBARX. Therefore
we can discount many logical apprehensions about kis personal loyalty and
wotivation (discussed previously) and proceed to questions of operational
socurity.

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the wid-1950's when, to the best ef cur knowledge, he waen't actively
favolved in revolutionary activities. Se treces this original denunciation
to am incident in which he resorted to sass rether unsorupulous precticas
(forgery onc fales demmniation) to get an erstyhile friend and CPUSA mesber
(with whose wife he hed become involved) discredited in France. (See-
Attachment to GTLA 43,272). ‘Tha upshot waz that 3/1 was considered by aany
who knew his in Perils to be a KIARK agent who hod informed on hie comumist
“frtend” to the Prench police. From.thet tims to the present the KG3AIK tag
bea’ stuck in certain circles, though STEROWY/1 feels thoae who really know
htm,erd those important reveluticneries andi coomunists whom he knows and
who are his potential tarsets es a KUSARK agent, have largely discounted the
possibility that this wuld be ao. ‘There is no denying the fuet, however,
thet this demmoiaticn is a handicap. It has been used fairly effectively
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bis recent conversations with S/1.

Station, but in the seantiow it should bs noted for the record tuat es long
_ @2 S/l. is eaid by many to be a KUGARK agent, it would not be mreasonshie

end S/l cays that Intter “caw rushing sround" to ses hic.
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quarters (and other addressees’) attention STEBONY-related items that :
we notice. On the other hand, ys donot require to be info'ed on all. ‘ i

e@ yould like to see copies es of all of ”
his intelligence reporting, whether for passage to the SHMOOTHERS or not.
On thet topic, we would like to recommend that a liberal policy be
Yollowed in determining ¥hat of his atuff to pass to liaigon here. We
will be glad to review his reporting for passage, if there is doubt about
whether to pass it. We would also like to see any materials relating to
him that may havea bearing on London Station operations, relating
principally to the U.K., or relating to any of our liaison services here,
of course.

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31 ine 1985 17.10 hours: . ark SCHNETFFER (or SCHNEISSER ph) calls Pedlo, f
. tells hiz he arrived in LONDON tro hours ago. (Note : he 1 aaa
. a speexa Inclish with a U.S.A. accent) Peblo seys he hed been {
‘ ot teliking eSout Merk lest Saturday with Rickard CIBSON, ko + Bes
hag tacushs to be living in Switzcrlend. Fcole says Richerd ty Ho 7

has lived in LONDO: for a year, are is now married, his wife
end two children are witn hin. Peso gays that Roberto Yepe
and his wits Gelina are also in LONDON at the Exbassy. Mark
is in a hetel nee> the British Museen, ‘Will ecne to tre
Exzbassy et once. “erewells.

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: . 17.25 hours: Roberto Yepa cells Galina at none, tells rer
{ ; Mark is in LONDON. Both overjoyed. They arrange to zeet.

‘ Yepe Goes rot kmow yet what ha is doing here or how long he
will be staying. . ~

18.30 hours: Present: Peblo and Marc SCH -cfR (prese).
Voices very indistinct. 2

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Pablo and Mark appeer to be talking about mituel be
acquaintances, «eo are mostly poets and authors. Peblo goes 7 OR:
out. : :

Yepe comes in end greats the visitor; he says thet his
wife Galina would like to see Mare this evening. Yepe exclains
ebout his trensfer from Glasgow to London; he then asks rk cobb get
when he is going to Nigeria (?Algeria). Merk anpears te «ay 7
thet he will not be going until February next yeer, afte Ke ”
hes been to the States; after thet he would like to settie - ..
dow in Africa, in Zanzibar, or in (??anzenia} - he does not ~ i
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that he is in the Tenrenien High Commission at 43 Hertford St.
ena that Yege cen nention his nane. Yepe goes out (pres. to
telephone Dennis) and does not retum.

- 10,00 hours: : Richard GiSSON (ph, speaks English with U.S.A.

_ Gecent) calls Peblo in some excitezent to sey that SCEVSISTER
(ph} "is exriving today". Peblo says he elready Imows, hed
seen hin yesterday (see 3lst Mey above) and ha2 given hin
Ricrard's teleshone nucber. Richard asks for Mark's eddrass.
Pedlo checks with Yezpe, who was taken by Merx SCHVEFr=2 to
the latter's hotel, but does not renender the name or adéress. ~
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Tanzania if he can. Had plemned to leave LCNDON today, but is
staying over. Peblo replies, *o see Richard and someone else.
: Richard thinks tris is Dennis FOLSEY (ph) to whom Mark hed
; written fron Sid YOR Richard is reedy to find accorzogation
for Mark and farily while they are in LONDON, as Mark hes

an little noney. Richerd is going cut now until 16.00 hours shen
. : he will returmm to PRicrcse 8775. ‘Then he is due to go out

. again to the Tumisien E-essy. asks Pablo to tell Mark that
. . he (Richerd) is goinz to algeria, that he wants to see hark,
' that there are possibly tnings that they can do tegether, that
: he or Werk could take the job ofZered by Dennis (POM3ZY) in

i . DAR“ES-SaALack. Pebdlo seys Mars is staying here to see Richard
. : . . end presuzabiy Dennis, then going to PsRtS for five days, then
: on to algerie. Rickard seys Merk can call hin at home detreen
: 12.30 end 13.30 hours or after 16.00 hours.

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, _ ph} who says she is sex.ding Richard end Psblo a new magazine

i called "Street" to be scercd. She is workings for the "Student

oka ue ee. «, - Non-Violent Co-ordinating Comaittee", Sue WRicut's (ph) group,
oo ow -end has "given up her jcb at the Nation". Pablo will send he>

: gone collab5ration for the magazine. Farewells.

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55 hours: Mark SCHLEIF7=2 (pa) calis Feblo fout)- Then
ks for Yere. Telis Yepe thes they (ari ond fecily) Be
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aa Soot sept ese that the letter's wife Galina is at Rox. a going
Be te + ker. Yepe confircs Mark's having Galina‘
oO oe eter hen rene 7 2 ro peosle “ark had
{° nunber, then renarks thet one o. the Oe caple * ned
é ntact - Grsgos - ned rung th . ;
veteds Yepe of +heir having loxed up togetker the telephon®
. " punbers of the Tanzenien Fission. Merk has tro RUEDET Ss
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17.10 hours: Werk SCHLEZFF=ER ccl1s from the Exbassy to Yepe's
flat, speaxs to Yepe's wite, Galina, says Le, “Meria and the

. ehildren” will spend the nizht with the Yeres. Eis wife and
children are at presert in Pebio's flat (iotes Both flats are
in Park test).

17.30 hours: Merk SCHISIST=R eclled e+ Zabassy by Richard
GIBSON, who suggests their sharing a fist in aLSIERsS. 30th
need to brush up their French before "the others pour in" to
, ALGIERS, ark azrees to go to Richar2's fiat, 50 Stocxleizh
: Hell, Prince aibert Road, to discuss verious points. Marx
mentions txet his wige is en "“Afro-Anericen®. Hichard’says
that integration is much worse here than in the U.S.4.

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11.00 hours: Yeze calls the €.7.9.5., speaxs to telex roon,
asks whether they can sera 2 telex to Yeze‘s brotrer in”
7, Rumania. He explains +2: his {fepe's) brother is Cuben
- . Ambassador to Rucanie ani is due to go to Cxba todey or -
, tozorrow. He wants first to estcolish whether his Srother is
still in Pusenie. If ne is, Roserto wants the follozing
messege passed: “I? you see Lec HIBESUN im Cuba, please pass
this message to min - "I? you come to LONDGI, Dennis FaO\B=Ad
is enxious tS see you'. (Signed) Roberto Yepe™.

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3 dene 12.30 hours: Pablo calls Cuoan Sxbassy (veliieved P25)

- . (Obtained by direct calling.) Soeaks to Esther, then esks
for Paco, who zentions thet Guillermo hes to return to Cuba,
because his daughter has a cerebral heszorvhaze. Paslo says
he end kauja are aiso "going to retum". Paco asks "Sut

: ae they haven’t ceailed you?* Pzblo replies "No". Gives no

[ : . further explanation, but will write to Paco. Mentions that

Marx SCHLEITSE2 is eming to PARTS end xill telephone Paco.

Sooty Guillerao, Paco remarks, Las already caught nis plene to

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FaniQUI, end 2OA ned agreed to his going. This leaves the

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TO: Director
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Attention: Mr. >. J, Papich

FROM: Deputy Directory for Plane

SUBJECT: “Telephone Conversation Malcolm X - Carlos Moore and
Sandy Bethune, (Afro-American Unity Group in Paris) .

1. Forwarded herewith as Attachment is a Xerox copy of &
photostat of » transcript of a telephone conversation berween Carlos
Moore (and bis fricud sandy Bethune) and the late Malcolm X, which
took place 8 os § February 1915. cUGAR obtnined this transcript
on 4 Juac from the ecitor of the West Indian Gazette, (fnu} Manchanda.
SUGAR believes that Manchanca got the photostat from the Ghana High
Commission office in London, He further believes that the Afro- .
Americaa anity group in Paria (among whom there is only one member
with U0. 5. citizenship: the American Negro photographer, John Tayloz)
probably supplied the transcript to the Ghana officials as 8 moans of
buliding their credentials ag a bona fide revolutionary organisation,

porbaps ove entitled to receive financial sapport.

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_____ Talked to Gy Goodrich, this norning about STERONY,..He feels that. he.ta.en the
level with us, that he 4s lecitimtely disenchanted with the far left, thet he
sees hinself as a loyal érerican, that YATZENB’. We was incorrect in saying tmt

STEBCNY would find it morally Popuerent t to act asa political sgtion agent but

= ‘would willingly serve as an FI collection asset (wich doesn't rake a whole lot

“of sense.) STZSCHY wes not in the least reluctant to take the ‘Lasers yaszsed
it- apparently clean. The cover is-adrittedly a bit Slizsey, but 19; supplerented—

bya. connection with. Ranisien L':etion for which he will.do-scre layout-serk and—-

‘for cover and attribution of income. Contract provides for $5CO a month plus

i $1co non-accountable ops exnenses plus $10 a day while in Algiers, plus $20

-_ @ day while in travel status, 1 June through 31 Aucust, renewable for two

year p-riod if rutually desirabic “and satisfactory, with 30 day termimtion :
esses ‘We heave told S¥Qkk JAGUAR of our recruttrent cf ST=Zzeky = Cy does not

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¢ --——----beieve. thet. they.ere in direct toch with-him, but that-they.are in-contact —-——

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on Cy what STEBONY had been asxed to do for us in Algiers, and he replied ® to work

himself into a position of acc=ss - to get informtion on. facts ons and all :

. developrents in the conferences which have not been wublicized," I asked if ke

Wad been given ary requirenents which dealt with strictly Algerian matters and

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=the“ satid-Noy-that-Rodigast - had’ been told that we would send ‘further requirenents ~~
~~-—-—_—_for_the resting _tentatively-scheduled with STEBCNY in Home or Tangier around _——

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aa to Bob Wiley, wio will draw hp a list of requirements to send ‘RODIGAST:

ve have no project yet, and he will cive m the contents of his soft file to

i) +. 4meInde in it, Be is also having the 208 file tidied up by RI and will have it
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2. Por the Information of 50%, Srusselg: KUPESK and KUsOUP are jeintly
engaged'in the operational exploitation of the peculiar talents end emmtacts i
of a newly-acquired axset. CTERONY/1 (Iden B) <CTEDY/1 bee rad @ rather 1
tardulent career as a leftist revolutionary agitator and sropegandist over i
the past several years ¢uricg which tise he case to know (and te knom by) }
@ lamber of sigiifieant personalities in the pre-Chineze factions of several :
Buropean Commmist Parties. Among these persomalities is Iden A. STHBaNY/1 }
has been Genoweed within these same circles as « KUJARK agent fer sone tise,

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cna only early June of this yoar that re actually signed a letter of agreo-
“went with an “ODYOKR Service’. Currestly STFBONY/1 is in Algeria seeking
to re-esteblieh Limelf in revolutionary circles as a prelude to a long-
tery penctration operation (at XUGAKK’s behest) targeted against the revolu-
t tionary cadres of Africa. Ania ond Latin America which are apparently being
: given increasingly direct support ty Peking.

2. Qne of STEBQIY/1's bens fides in revolutionsry circles is bis

f aogusintsnce with Iden A wio has told bin that. versonally. he Coes not

: ‘ghare the doubts spread about STESCHY/) because. es Iden A pute it.

a 2HBHY/1's prisary acewser ust caly charges he is a MUSARK agent but also
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STESONY/1 visited Iden A in Drusesela on y dime 155 with the satention of
getting biaself accredited as a correspondent of {den A's newsracer, Iden C.
Iéen A told tim that. in fact. Iden C was sending Iden > to Algiers to cover
the summers activities there Iden A then added that iden D would cet in
toush with STehary/l in Algiers (c/o Iden £) 90 that STEMCHY/1 could “intre-
@uce him arowd”. SPEnoty/: considers this a fortuitous circusstance in tnat

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ing STRXNT/L's activities ax cotects

3. Gf sricrity interest at tiie coneat. novever ia tie fact tint iden
& bas expressed to JT SCi1/i ris dlesatisfection with tae progress to date
an getting :is took (Iden 7; smiiaced in -agiieh = idem 4 clains treat on
austreiias le su>zoned to be sorting on « trousiation tut tat Le ons operd
Hothiaz fron Ain in over ciz pontes «iT }GONT/1 tren told Iden A treat ce Aimseif
eoald do the tranziatiag job wits tie sid ef frienis but trast 7e would have
te soend seme tine wits Iden 4 to work over fine soints and to write tocetier
& Ben charter updating the bsek In tris way 2OGE/) feels he coald cement :
his percenal roistionsni> wits iden A . i

4. here ere otvicasiy overationai ond itation ralicy questiaas that ;
should be considered in tris context. First of alt. our sele reverter on ‘
the ZTPRORY leiden & relationanis is STYSav1/1 himself Is ie resily seeking
te cat up a sceningful orsraticnal gamit to be exploited by EVGASK. er is he :
eeoking te resain status aums his former seers® se tend to beileve ic Corger : -¥
(Ga tae bario ef tae results of CTPBONY/1's UFLUPTER exessination enc tis long :
_agaversations alth ble dees cover case officer. beeendly, xould the dunage to
tie Poca national Laterect {anerest in tce wasblication of Iden 4’2 boak in
English euteoig: tne enerational gain to be aade by ostting CTEuGNy/. in lsen ;
4's ogafidece. CTESGIY/1 argues teat. = tre contrary. the publicatian ef $ :
the book in fagliah coaldé aurt me one oxeest vossibly iden 4 cizeslf. because : 4,
STERQNY/1 elaias tia book lo a tiresome roleeio egainst one ganil caumist 3
e@roup by enotrer osall ecounmist group. w7i7iT nas no intentiea ef recesmend= i
Gag that EUSAAE Belp get une beak in sriat in aay oase for tat would bs 5
.36en A's om crobien foreever. Lf Siriexiy/1 did aet usiortace too trensie- :
ting Job,tme Australian vould probably coms trreuwn befere tee long anyway. ‘

5. We ere gure thet e*ireesecs con seo in this eitaation the seeda of
@ weefal operational contact iti: Iden 4 whe. aceording to various reserte
sTepamsi/. is receiving frem ctasr of his contacts in the sro-chicax facticns
of the Furecsan Commmist “arties. is atarting to lese his grip on bie oa
Orgeriseticn

& In sy event. miless acvised to the contrary. ve intend to encoursge
STEBOUT/! te continu develosing bis reletionsoip with iden A. especially as
vogarés treasiatias of the book. xe are forwarding te feadcquarters (usc)

@ eepy of tre book and request teat tre aoorecriate office ia Maa? te
approached lnrediately aut asked to nrovice. on a vrierity besis, an Englich-
Jengusge translation wich ue can se08 to <TERGIY/1 je coald then recork
this tremaieticn ecmesnst acd involves tis wife in the editing of it sre~

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consistent with tre ‘officiai” Tugliah-lenguage vergicn of tat quotations.

T The tine clesent involved is this: KUWULP career Agent tefus 7
ROQETQAST will. be sweating *:T>uw¥/1 im Rome on or about 15 duiy. 48 that
tine be eouid Rave sose fira wort from SU2NGK on tre status af the “rans-
lation effert In matter of fact of course. the idee) situation sould te
te have the tronsiation in >and at that tine though w¢ camist sauce fren
here ubetier that is witila tae reaim of soesinility in eny case aD71GATT
would nave to Lave tre transiation fofinitely in mand tre first week of
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1. Following is the full text of the JAGUAR letter, a part of
which was transmitted under refs :

about S/1s

1. Some time in May thie year, S/1 said that he would
be going to Tunisia on 15th June to work on the staff of the
paper "L'Action."

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reseived b200 as “personal financial assistance” from Jacques :

GRIPPA, the leader of the pro-Chinese Communist faction in
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| a job on L'action, but there was no intention of his accepting it. * i

3. London has some doubts about whether 3/1 in fact received thi
muoh money from GRIPPA. We suspect that he has told people this to enhance
hie stature as a “Chinese agent"; we still wonder, though, what funds he
may have been covering this way, since we had not contacted him as of the :
time in question. Perhaps, aa a result of ref, LCPIPIT may shed some :

light on this point. Cl t
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1. WUCGLP Career Agent 2ufes FP. RCCIGAST is nox the deep cover neee
/ officer for STZS00Y/1 « nenly-ecqulred potential renctration aceet tar-
geted on tho pro-Chices revelutionery eovemente of Africae Acia avi
tstin sAmorica. Oa or about 15 daly 165 CTYRHY/1 will preoeed fraps bis
eurrent base of cperaticns (Algiers) to eect with A@L0A57T in Rew per
Idea A

@. salle is Remo STEBCHY/ plens to stay with Iden 5) Noroover
. -‘Iéea B's opsrtaant may bo ceed es a necting site fer HCDIUAST end
- - SPSB0RY/1) whee lden 3 is at work. In view of tnis we roquest Statics
ent Keatquortere traces (XU and OCENVY only) ea Iden 3.

3. thile 1m Sone AOLRaLT wlll coro than Likely require Ctatica
ezssert in the asture ef plekus sad coucniag facilitics for éocuzente
Cath travel advances for STESCTT/1 (wuicy are to be 7/A'd to Leatquarters.
change YUZITS#) and cable cesmp facilities shealé the need arise. .
ROIGANT ic kaowm to Kase Station Aficer Lovell P BISCO end perimas

_-  G@tere in the Station ROO1GAST is also inom te and mncwus the witting
porzammel in "BEREGAIZ. :

&. ve would sosreciate bearing fros Bone Station at your earliest
convenience concerning your capzbility to resder the type of gasjort
moted ebove. HRODIGAET would pien to make cantect ulli: tie Station
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+ REFERENCES:

1. Attached is a copy of an item oulled from a report of BAIRN (a
sensitive S¥YOTHop) reflecting contact. between Mrs. Sarah GIBSON and
Pablo FERNANDEZ, the Gultural Officer at the Cuban Embaesy. There is
nothing partioularly new or startling here, and it is forwarded for
inolusion in the records.

2. Maruja is Pablo's wifes; Sarah is, of course, the wife of Richard
GIBSON.

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’ Runisien Schassy, calls Cuben Exdassy, explains tO Marga west

. but kes no copies of "Revolucion". Contircs he -

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7 16 June 1565

26th Mey, Cant.
26.40 hours: Mrs. Serch GIBSON (sh), of the Press Deoartcs

she wants Paslo to send, as previcucsly discussed, some cozies
of "Revolucion Pueblo y Cultura" and "Lunes és 2evolucion’,
either just on tecsorary losn, or if some copies can be spared,
for retention b: tae Tunisian Exsassy. ‘Tare Press Secretary in
the Tunisian Scdassy is on she scint oF leaving to go back to
QUNIS (going on 25th Mey) and before doing so, he very =uck
Wats to Rave @ look at those peers. “argo promises to
arrange this matter with Paslo, Zor celivery oF copies vo the
Press Departcent, Sinisien Exbassy, 29 Prince's Gate. Sarzh
GIBSON asks for Celivery today i? zossidie, a not, chs
Following sorsing.

15.50 hours: Pablo calis urs GIBSON at ScD 4253 on Coriscien
mane terms, asks Lox her hucbacc, Diex, ani cha children are,
confircs that he will let ker have some copies of "Buese" (ph)
given to hin by a Cuban in LONDON, also "FccSlo y Csitvera’,
1a cssme to
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Ssrak’s house on Saturdey ettemosa (29th Usy) with NMerede end
tue chiléren i? it is cise, Suv Re will cons anyhow, a3 he
wants to Rave 2 talx vite Saran. Tee GISSCN's Lone nuxter is

beings sent back to Tunisia to take charge oP 2 nexspacer, aa -
ke kas been cost impressed by the Cuban Llaysct in their subii-
cations. He needs tra copies to give Ric iceas for cis own

work, and Sarah wants the infliuezce to be Cudan.

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ARLTION BLQURED - REFERENCES

1. Gransnitted korewith ara cosias (one for KUDISX, one for LOPIFz?)
of the processed material resulting fron the initial sories of debtieZings
of ST=B0nY/ i. Again London Station is indebted to Zoborta Le. ECRR=LL Zor
her gupzerbd work in preparing this excellent study.

2. We have mede most of this zaterial available to JAGUAR. ‘The
*sections heaced "Interest of Foreim Cozavniet and Leftist Croups in the
American Negro Frodlen," “Tae Robert Villiams case," "Black Eationalisz,*
and "Tae Azerican Segro" were not passed to JACGULR.

3. Wo are retaining ene copy of the entire study, wiich we are
gaking availeble for reviow by COEiVY/London, who have axpressad interest
in thig naterial. We trust that ODOIVY Seadquarters will te appropriately
advised oF the contents of these papers.

4. We see no reason for Lordon Station to retain this copy in the
files, and prozese to destroy it unless Zeadquarters ests uz to send it on to
goze other addressee. Sinilarly, we slan to dastroy our copy of the rouss
transcript of the debriefing (previously forwarded under OLLA 42,706, 9 Marea
1965) wnless Zsadcuarters would lixe us to send it on. In aither cass, let us
know of ycur wishes resarding these itens by, say, 15 July. Im the absences
of any instructions ty that tine, we will destroy then.

“is. 7 George EH. KaTZswascd

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be going to Aigiers. He hae told bis friends that his job with
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1. In the course of an infornal discussion on 8 June with the JAGUAR
officer most familiar with the history of STEBOHY/? (and our relationship
with hin), the JAGUAR officer commented that he was frankly surprised at
the volune of sexual activity of the African Comsuniste and far~leftiste.
His first reference was to types such as Jeanne PYKOR, but he broadened
the coanent toinclude Rosalynde AINSLIS and ethers, and of course there
were the recipients of these girls' affections as well — Africans (usually
Dlack) such ae Kenyatta and Babu.

2. The JAGUAR officer thon added that 3/1's wife was aleo knowm *
have shared her favors with other black men than 3/1 — to such an extent,

at any rate, thet her promiscuity had come to JAGUAR's notice. (I montioned
that this aust be some new news, since we had not heard of it before, but

he indicated that this was old news, and apparently not of the type to be

. Oonsidered “derogatory.") The JAGUAR officer went on to say that S/1 hin--
self has put in a certain amcunt of time in the beds of other white girls,
and perhaps this is how he knows of the promiscucus propensities of some

of then.

3e While S/f has not particularly affeoted prudery in our talks, neither
has he professed himself to be a great and universal lover. .

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1. (Ca 4 June STEBONY/1 provided tho following information on the personal-
4ty and living pattern of Subjeot vhich we hope will be helpful to COVERDAL:
im mounting an eventual recruiteent approach.

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Subjeot is smarting with desire for revenge against those who havo
cut hin off from all meaningful politioal activity and probably
from a source of income as well. (NOT2s Subject told 5/1 thst
GUrsvawy ares te peneidine his P:.~sL with the equivalent of
$1,000 per month.) He ia partioulariy angry wasn ¢-uUres URO OWES

him some noney.

dn intellectual, Subject has never been particularly effoctive in
the arra of practioal organisational politica. He is rather weak
in the sense that in a conflict situation he tends to pull back.
In other words he is not aggressive by nature. At the same tine,
9/1 felt certain that Subject's indignation and desire for revenge
were deoply seated in his emotions and ke would not be able to

vationalise away these feelings.
Subject is basically a friendly and courteous person.

@- Subject »p—. orench and Spanish but no Maglish. is wife,

@enoribed by 3/1 as a us...
Engliah. Sie secstee saheciey U7Temmslity than Subject, dove spank

Subject has mixed feelings towards GfI¥PA, but upperucst ip hie
desire to rehabilitate himself with the Migian teonelters™ It
ios thought that if someone telephoned Subject and made reference to
Jaoques” or “a negsage from a friend in Selgiua” Subject would .
most.likely come out for a meeting.

Subject has irregular working hours at the CHAS and it would be eaoy
for bia to leave the job for an hour or. two without anyone becozing
merokone: an works on research projects and sore or less sets

Asked 1f ho thought Subject vould be in a position to @e auch
information on the PCS Pro-Chitom dissident groups, 3/1 said that
he thought Subject was well-informed and, if Willing, would de

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been pushed aside from active and direct participation in recent
monthee .

2. Baesd on the foregoing, the best ploy for getting at Subject aight
be a telephone call to bis place of work with che caier asing a cover
protext for meeting hic alone and deferring all detailed questions to such
a mecting on the grounds of not vanting to discuss these over the telephone.
If this gets Subject cut, then COVSEDALS could apologise for the ainor
Geseption while explaining that it waa required by reason of his not wanting
to cause Subject cnbarasament or injury in the course of contacting hia.
Good Inmting.

3s It may be poseitle for STEBCSY/1 to contact Subject during his visit
te Paris tf =- f7 Jume. If COVEKDALS would like to get a sere current
reading on Subject, please get in touch with Eufus ¥. ECDIGAST, who will be
meeting S/1 on 12 Jane.

Josegh 8. TIFFANY

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SRACGTEBONY KUDESK QRPREY
Jeian—African aE ota’ Association Corresp ondence

ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES. . +:

1. Transmitted as separate cover attachment are copies of correspondence
from the AAJA to STEBONY/1, Among these materials is an original copy of one
letter, whioh is forwarded for KURIOT's exemplar stockpile.

2. These materials were passed to TIFFANY by S/1.

3. London Station is not retaining copies of this material, nor do ve
anticipate passing any of it to JACUAR.

_»« George H.

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“earnest creetin.;s!

. 4S you are avare the Seeretariat at its Second vectine held
in Gadok, 2svor (inienesis), fron Uovenber. 35th to Decexber t5t 1943,

decized, intereali., to name April 24th, ¢ nins doy of the first sslane -
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fssceiction and wa onarnestly call on you, 92> atndoces and ecollecsucs, to

mark this 2cy e Sisteric.1 cyent in the life of 212 AfroeLzsian jourral-
tats pucticulorly, and the dfreeisicn peoples gere>sliy.

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issue of "the Afve-asicn Jouruulist". If yeu hav net, pleose contect us

and we will gladly let you hive come ‘state how “cany)e :

ee .. Be further call on you to continues sending us articies on
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provcsal made by tae Canbedicn Eeud of Svate, Prince Norsden

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Tear Colleague,

‘le have receiveé tae vacicus copies oF REVCLETION, which we
heartily thar: you for.

Your Letter was ver encourazing, ard we heve noted the contents.
We shore your ideals, 6 and are shorougaly cormrinced that our struggle
agairst the forces of reaction will still further advance, end
triunsn.

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strmir “he againsy i: perialisn ané colonielisn in @1l its 2crns and
ments Stavions, an’ as such we would like to help in the furvher
distribution o> REVOLUTION. Ve are widely Cistricvcine it in Intoe
nesta, anc hore to a0 the sene in South ZestAsi2 as well. I> zdeition,
because of $n8 foreiom exchanse proaie:, we will rather give ou
momes of other interestec versons sutsice Indonesia so «2am su can
. $ené sample copies. Or we coule 26 Ghat if ow so desire. rlesse
~ les us imow! A lisvle mote to the eifecy treat we will cistrisute
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~~ Dear Coll eam me our strugctie is gairing momentum and the
forces of reaction maniftested in colonialism and imverislisc in
all its forms arc manifestations are on the retreat. Gar very close
_ Cowcreration will 2ur sner Helo in destroying colorielisn anc in-
‘Rerieliss m, whien is. the curse oz all meine.

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Porwarded herewith ac tttasiuent te a report written by TIFFANY
and RODIGAST covering thoir meeting with STEBONY/1 during the period
15 June. Though moetings will be hold with 3/f on 6 and 7 June, it is
not expected that theese will produce any new information to alter the
substance of Attachment. Info eupplied cy 3/1 on a variety of
personalities and activities will be handled by scparate dispatoh and
info reports.

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i" 4 June 1355

° somes “fl 2. Cover Situation. S/l ‘was not successful in lining up any

tee. ji céver arrangement in the U.S. Around 28 May he received word “t
‘ ' from New York of a flat turn-down on his offer to serve as
fee, |} Correspondént for Monthly Review. MarosdSciet: = -
i | ; = “i's chief editor Leo Hubermann ‘
io _ ff plans to attend 2nd Bandung himself. Locally, however, S/1
ip a | was able to line up the following sponsors (though none is

ii in a position to pay much for his services they collectively

will let on that his travel costs were advanced him by his :
wealthy brother-in-law); oa id

a. Cinnamon, a sort of British Ebony scheduled to :
bring out its first issue on 20 June. =

a vt : Provide him with sufficient reason for being in Algiers; he ne

: b. West Indian Gazette, described in earlier corres- --+
- pondence, will provide 5/1 with a letter of accreditation. --

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c. Institute of Race Relations. This volitically
neutral, academic outfit publishes a monthly newsletter.
Connected with Chatham House, tie Institute's secretary,
Sheilla Paterson is a good friend of S/l. She has asked
him to do a paper back book for the Institute on Africa.
Again, though they could pay little for tnis effort it
constitutes a highly respectable piece of cover. .-

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_ During the last two months, S/l has explained his income an

to his wife as coming from advances, expense money and articles.
for Encounter. This has not pleased her, as she dislikes ms
both the Congress for Cultural Freedom and Laskey, but has 7
at least satisfied her curiosity. To explain Katzenbach's :
telephone calls to his home (K. identified himself to S/l's i
wife xmz as"Mr. Wilson") S/l had to improvise a purely .
notional affiliation with an American feature story syndica-
tion servicecalled "Metropolitan Features". This will help
explain some of his iname to his wife, but will not be used
~ with others.

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- 2. The above skeletal dover will hozefully be reinforced in -
Algiers where S/] will scour around for bits and pieces of work |
for his many contacts there. His visits to Grippa and Andersson .
on his way to Algiers will also help to fill out his ostensible
sources of income, though 3/1 has agreed not to overplay this .
angle. In other words, he will not pretend that These two have ~~
given him any funds, but if others want to make the assumption, -

} dish

3. Oni and 2 June, Tiffany expounded at some length on the
importance of S/l trying to get an Opposition (Soviet, Cuban,
Algerian or ChiCon) sponsor for any further cover, such as ;
’ the researching of a book or establishment of an Afro-Asian ~
mews service for U.S. leftist periodicals and/or individua: Se .
While we could easily set him up in this enterprize, we ts ‘not --—
west to for the simple reason that this would at best only
. Provide him with a superficial sort of access. What we want
ig him to strive for is Opposition sponsorship that will lead him
Peo : ‘into one of the nerve centers of the national liberation
PUT { movement in Algiers or Djakarta. (S/1 ruled out Cairo on the
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grounds that his wife 1s Jewish) 3/1 accepted this reasoning
and agreed to go for a position that holds out the prospect of —

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“oN kL. Turnover to Rodigast, after getting S/its unhesttating agreement oo |
re ee |! to an ILFLUITSR examination and his signature on a Secrecy Agreement ~*~ ——y
i on 2 dune, Tiffany introduced him to Rodigast, under the alias = |
ee eee - f "Paul Weller" on the norning of 3 June. It was explained that Redigast i ,
ik wouid serve as S/l point of contact in the future. S/1 and Rodigast : : j a
fo oo hit it off well fron the cutset, the latter's knowledge of Paris and a oy 4 an
p —_ | Tangiers-based American beatniks and other intelisctuals serving hin ts ; ; ; :
we f well in the rapport-building process, Rodigast jfiitictay on firm 2
- a meeting arrangenents for Paris and has discussed arrangements for
we eee i meeting S/l at least twice during the summer outside Algiers. Final :
| agreemnt on a mid July meeting will be made in Paris to conform to a normal ©

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Wo ; Emon arzangenents which S/l succeeds in developing in Lausanne and

, fi Paris. In tie process of discussing co munications Rodigast is also

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!-* Suparting instruction in gocd security practices on the part of S/le
Rodigast will instruct S/l in the use of Sif in Paris, Hopefully,
Rodigast will be able to spend a day or two with S/l in Paris, even

- though we want S/l to get to Algiers as soon as possible. Sw ee

dere raans 29

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Se Financial Arrangenents, After discussing all possible alternatives, ~~
St was decided that the most secure arrangement would be to give S/2
ah advance of the equivalent of $200 for his-travel London~Brussels-

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$600 for his Jane salary plus non-accountable expenses, These advances ;
were made and signed for on 3 June, One exaxm important reasm for a
the large cash advance was the fact that S/l tucemcrentiy was campletely 4

broke, and he had to pake some funds avaibb Je to his wife to neet
'* “expenses and pay off a 65 pound Sterling debt to his prother-in-laxg before

" leaving on his trip. (S/1 will explain the funds as the last of the vee ng
os ‘advances and payments for articles by Excounter and other publications.) . 4

“For essentially the same reason (poverty) we agreed to make S/l's July. . g
and August salary payments in advance (to be paid into his Swiss bank

account on the first of each month), We recognize that this procedure is

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that this was necessary to head off the security and morale problems :

posed by an irate wife.

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6 In the course of his initial talk with S/1, Rodigast pursued the
matter of the allegations nade at various tines in the past to the

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effect that S/l is or was a “CIA agent" or "FBI agent". S/a explained

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a — “"~ the situation as follows: Tore erenee eaard a

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el — : - a. S/l was a schoolmate of William Gardner Smith, and :
ne ._-.With Smith's encouragement came to Paris and worked with Smith on _ | 7

_ the English desk of Agence France Presee. S/1 took over ths left bank
apartment of Olise Harrington, American Negro cartoonist and CPUSA
member, S/1 had a falling-out with Harrington over the apartment (rent), _

: and in what he describes as a moment of wealmess he sought revenge .

‘ by forging a letter with Harrington's signature which indicated support

‘for the FLN (Algeriah nationalists); at that tixe the French vere

. to burt Harrington, and perhaps his friends as well. S/1 was found out,
and questioned by the French police; his break with William Gardner
" Smith and that crow dates from this nonent. S/1 had been forced to

7 write an apology to Harrington, confessing to the forgery.

~ b. S/l believes that Jacques Vergts ebtained the

~ letter of apology (to Harrington) fron Snith or fron Ellen Wright
(an American, white, widow of the Negro novelist Richard Wright; she

_. .Contimues to reside in Paris as a literary agent handling books of
"" witers connected with Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir; S/l says that
ahe is a friend of Harrington), As for Harrington, S/1 believes he

is now in Ghana or in East Germany; in Zast Germany be has Anerican
friends: a Negro singer Aubrey Pankey and his white wife Kay; she
4s an editor of the Zast German publishing house Seven Seas (which
prints books in English), and is close to Shirley Grahan Dubois, ne 4
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according to S/l told the Cubans about it, since the CPUSA hoped to

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Atgere’+ SAL ard pot theism own people in teach with the Cubans. SAL.”
told the Cubans a tall tale which he hopes they believed (anong those
he spoke to was Roa): he said that during the French drive against the

FLY various people were writing letters in support of the Algerians and.
‘ gigning prominent names to then, and that the Harrington forgery was ~

ee erememerrmereyny mene
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“ocow ool = earpded out in this spirit, © — m2 et

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[nv wie ef dy The hostility to S/1 fron Ainslee and IiGowan
— _.___||___ had as its origin their anger that Verges had given S/l a job that _
Lo i” ; __ should have gone to an Englishman (or woman); they felt that Africa

fo ‘was a problem of the British CP; and so they spread the story about S/l, :

e. Rodigast recalled that William Gardner Smith had

: - “ence written a letter to the Paris Herald Tribune denying that a
: Pro-Castro letter which appeared several days earlier signed W G Snith

‘ i Keath becegaie Db fed

jetcccores ff <had been sent dy him, At the tine (perhaps 18 months ago) Saith told 7
i=. |i. Redigast, who questioned him on the matter, "Oh, that's an old story."

_ Without indicating that he knew Smith, Rodigast raised the question

ef Smith's Herald Tribune letter to S/1, who said he had never seen it

bate be neat

"or heard of it before,

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f. Rodigast gave S/l the recent clipping from Le Monde os
“(which indicated that Patricia MacGowan's husband or lover Carlos Lansa ~~~ a
- hed been arrested by the Algerians in connection with the investigation
of the Delgado killing. Rodigast warned S/1 that we did not know whether _ :

a charge would be made, or indeed whether Lansa had already been released - “

_ along with others arrested at the sane time. Nevertheless S/1 thought ;
the clipping would be useful to show to those not terribly faniliar

with the details, but whe might be favorably influenced by a report
. ~ showing that the people who denounced S/l as a "CIA agent" had also —
sent Del gado to his death, a alee 2

7. Questioned on his resicence status vis a vis French and Swiss

authorities, S/1 said: ;
a. He feels he can come and go to Switzerland without

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_of the undesirable nature of his activities; the Swiss told Nils
Anderssen informally that should S/1 change to a "desirable" activity

Verges ‘for payment of back wages, Verges! attorney said in open court

- Which would be required at the time of application for a carte de sejour).
' Sclwrarzenberg, has not pressed the charges; hég is a Communist and
"am old friend of Verges, and told S/i he believed he could obtain a

| settlenent through persuasion. S/l has already paid Schwarzenberg's

" \mow whether he can whip up Schwarzenberg's enthusiasn. Should S/1

peop tee ete Re ST aan soos Lo . verte a ee BES

probleas. When Revolution was alosed aom by the Swiss, S/L was called | : foot ‘2
4n and notified that he had three months to leave the country because

he would be allo,jed to stay. Following his departure on what S/1
considered very polite terms (i.e., the three-month notice period),

~ S/l traveled regularly to Switzerland (once a month, on Revolution ...—. nena
° awe é <
. business), although he tries to arrive by means which expose him to.
__Minimal border checks (train rather than plane, and Trans Europe Express - - 4.
best of all) and while in Suitzerland lives with friends rather than , ie .

in a hotel to avoid having to nan out police cards, (sf was notified
ef his expulsion in Septenber 1963 and left in December before the

““Ydeadtine, His mest recent trips were in January-February 1965.) aan ve .

oe -- " -+ wb, S/l was never arrested by the French, merely - aoe — .

’ interrogated on the Harrington forgery charge. He has resided in a ft
oS at

Paris since that tins. During the early stages of S/l's suit against

wid,
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that S/) had been in France illegally (as he had no carte de sejour;

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he could not obtain one since Verges newer agreed to a work contract

(In connection wth the Verges suit: S/l's French lawyer Pierre te

fee (the money wae obtained from S/l's brother-in-law), and does not .

“win a Judgenent for the sone $5000 owed to hin, he could force Verges!
“bankruptcy (there is a printer in the sane legal position who has

not insisted on payment because he is reluctant to bring on bankruptcy).
sf says that it is possible that if he engaged a first-class non-Commnist 4

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this goal, but it is not certain that he could get the or‘ginal fee
_ back fron Schwarzenberg.

&. For future contacts, R-digast gave S/1 "an alias I an using:

Janes Sunderland, c/o American ixpresa, 11 rue Scribe, Paria 9, the

"c/o American Express" being optional. Rodigast will also leck into
the possibility of energency contact via want ads placed tn Alger
” Republicain or Le Peuple (the latter is preferred by S/1), which Rodégast

“believes will be ‘purchased and read daily by LOPIPIT during the sumer ”

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’ Attachments 1,3,4,& 6 (USC)

Chief of Stations; Algiers; Paris/LCPIPIT; Chief,
AF} Chief, KUDESKy Chief, XUWOLF (Attns Noel D. Ka)

REFs A LOND 7991
B DIR 15660

1. Forwarded under separate cover true name pouch as Attaohment 1
is the original Letter of Agreement signed by STEBCKY/ ion 3 June. Attachment

2 forwarded with this dispatoh is a eantized version ‘of thie contract.

2. Attachment 3 forwarded under separate cover true name pouch is

a Secrecy Agreement signed by STEBONY/1 on 2 June.

3. Attachment 4 forwarded undereeparate cover true name pouoh is

PRQ Part I, filled out by STEBONY/1 on 2 June. It should be noted that
due to limitation of time this wae prepared in great haate.

4. Attachment 5 isa the top half of the signature specimen assigning
a@ pseudonym to STEBONY/1. The bottom half of this document is forwarded

as Attachzent 6 under separate cover true name poudhe .

LT feng

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Attachments 2 & 5 Herewith

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LETTER OF AGREEMENT

Mr. Riohard T. Gibson
Dear Mr. Gibsons

The United States Gevernnent, as represented by the Contracting
Officer, Hereby contracts with you for the purchase of certain infornation
and related services of a confidential nature under the following erms and
conditiones

1. Compensation. In full consideration for the purchase of
such information and services, you will be paid an amount calculated at the
rate of $500.00 per month. Payments will be made in a secure manner accepta—
ble to you. No taxes will be withheld from this amount. Escrovws A mutually
agreed portion will be withheld in an escrow account for you for reasors of
security as soon as this becomes a practical possibility. \

2. Travel. You will be advanced or reimbursed funds for np
neceasary expences ; incurred in connection with such operational travel as

may be directed or authorized by the U. S. Government. You will be required

to acoount for such expenses in a manner oonsietent with good security.

Since seourity conditions generally preclude the detailed accounting of
miscellaneous travel expenses, per diem will be yaid at the rate of $20 per

aay during periods of authorized travel.

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SRE Ie ES HOR CET cs eng

3. Operational Expenses. You wiil recieve $100.00 per month

’ for necessary operational expenses on a non-accountable basis. Any opera

tional expenses inourred beyond the amount must be specifically authorised
by U. 3. Governemnt.

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. ‘4e The U. S. Government will compensate you in an amount
mutually agreed upon for the relocation of you and your family to a new
residence if such a relocation is considered desirable by you and the U. 3S.

Governgimnt.

5. The Organization, in recognition of s cleag’woral obligation
will undertake to protect you against any adverse actions related to your
activities ani associations entered into at the request of the U. S.
Goverrigfint during the term of this agreement. -

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6. Secrecy. You wil? be required to keep forever secret this
contract and all information which you may obtain by reason hereof (unlesa
released in writing by U. S. Government from such obligation), with full
knowledge that violation of such secrecy may subject you to criminal
prosecution under applicable laws and regulations.

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7. No promises or commitments pertaining to rights, privileges,
2 or benefits other than those expressly stipulated in writing in this agree-
ment Or any amendment hereto shall be binding on the U. S. Governnent.

‘

2. : 8 Term. This contract is effective as of 1 June 1965 and
ehal? continue thereafter for three months (to 1 September 1965). =xtension
to two years (to 1 June 1967) will be contingent upon the granting of full
operational clearance and your performance during the summer 1965 assignment
in Forth Africa and access acquired during that period. Furthermore, it

ia understood

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a, : ae That on or before ! September 1965 it will be possible
Tot . to renegotiate the terms of compensation of this
contract for the period following that date;

be. That after 1 September 1965 this contract (and its
extension) can be terminated by either party with 30

days notice.

fermination of this agreement will not release you from the
obligations of any security oath (Secrecy Agreement) you have signed.

el - United States Governnent

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: ~ 4 dune 1965 435237

STES0NY/2 :
Year Hr, ST= STEz0nY/1

Tra Teiteg States Sovernrent, ar rapresanted by the Contracting
Officer, Hereby contracts wits you for tke purchase of cartain irforzation
and related services of a confidential nature under tzs folloving orns and
conditions:

1. Sozconeation. In full consideration for the porcisece of
such information and oye you will be raid an amount calenlated at tre
rate of £500.00 per month. Payzents will be made in a secure samner accepta-—
tle to you. No taxes will be wittheld from this azcunt. Ensrows A mutually
agreed portion wili te withheld in an escrow account for vou for reasors of
security as socn as this becomes a practical possibdility.

2. Travel. You will be advanced or reinbursed funda for
necessary expenses incurred in connection With such operations. travel as
may be directed or authorizei oy the U. S. Governaent. You will de required
to_acceunt- for mich expenses in a canner consistent with good security.” -
Since security coniitions cenerally preclude the detailed accountin= of
Riscellaneous travel expenses, rer dies will be paid et the rate of 320 rer
@ay during periods of authorized travel.

3. Grerations? Uycerses. You will resieve $100.06 rer nonth

for necessary operational expenses on 4 nom~accountadlie basis. <Any orera-

_- tional exrexses incurred beyond the amount must be specifically authorized
~.by U. S. Governeznt.

4. ‘Tre U. S. Governnent will compensate you in an emount

Soke mutually agreed upon fer the relocation of you and your family to a new
residence if such a relocation is considered desirable by you and the U. S.
Governgtnt.

5. Tae Organizasion, in recognition o7 a cleay’ zoral obdlization
_-well urndertske to protect you ezainst any adverse actions related to your
activities ani associations entered into at the request of tke U. S.
Goverremnt during the term of this agreenent.

. 6. Secrecy. You will be required to keep forever secret this

~ contract and all information which you aay obtein by reason kereof {unless
released in writing ty U. S. Governzent frou sush obligation), with full

“ Imowledge thet violation of such secrecy may suojest you to crininal

prosecution under applicable laws and regulations.

7. Ko promises or comnitnents pertaining to rights, crivilezes,
or benefits other than those erpressiy stipclated in writing in this arzree—
‘gent Or any amend=ent hereto stall be binding on tre T. S,. Govarnnent. .

o . 8. Term. This contract is effective as of 1 June 1965 and =,
oe shall continue therearter for three months (to 1 Septezber 1955). “=xtension
..to two years (to 1 June 1967) will be contingent upon the granting of full...
operational clearance and your yerfcrmance during tke summer 1965 assignzett
“in Sorth Africa ard ascess acquired duting that period. Furthernore, it

is understood

a. ‘That on or before 1 September 1965 it will be poesible
: to renegotiate the terzs of compensation of this
contract for the period following that date;

That after 1 Sentender 1965 this contract (and its
extension) can te terzinated by eitzer party with 36
daya notice.

Sernmination of this agreement will not release you from the
cbligations of ary security oats (Secresy Agreement) you heve signed. ‘

United States Governnent
ACCEPTED: 3 June 1965

aa fof _sixemp, . ;

Robert C. Gusczxea


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"intelligence material under the control of the Crganization, I further

_-#ball be equally binding upon me after my association with the Organization
as during it. .

. therefore, I will o-tain ine decision of autiorized officials of the Organizazi-« oe

7 _$» I understand that there are established crocedures within the Orranization
: forth above in paragraph 3.

- tion security requirements.

OBLA-43,237, 4 June 1365

SECRET

SECRECY AGHESMENT

1. I, Weynep REE) _, understand that upon entering on duty
T am uncertating a4 positicn of trust ‘n the Organization responsible for

intelligence relatirg to the security of our country. I understand thet in

the course of this association I will acquire i:formation about the Creanization
and its activities and acout intelligence acquired or produced py the
Organization.

2. I have read and umcerstard the provisions of the espionage laws ef our
government znd I am aware that unauthorized disclosure of clessified informatic
relating te the naticnal defense may subject re to crosecuticn for violation
of such laws, whether such disclosure De made while I am associated with the
Organizatios or at any tine tnereafter.

3. In adiition, sower, as I am undertaking a position of trust, I have a
responsibility to the urganization not to disclose any classified information
relating to the Organization without vroner authorization, I undertake,
therefore, rot to discuss with or disclose to any serson not authorized to
hear it from information relating to the Orzanization, its activities, or to

te cea eae mete em nn Cee me nH RMR RETR Rett ee A IURAT ERNE Mee CMON ARTE ean “werTinea C erate mperati

bib: ATi mapinete anetahcansarnieatha vier wnemrmninneeteneminchen ceanntesamsenene

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anderstand that this unsertaking is a condition of mr association with the
Organization, tnat its violation raj sutject me to immediate dismisse1 for
cause or to other aprropriate isciplinary action, an: that this undertaicing

kh. I understa:d that the burden is upon me to ascertain whether or not
information is classitied and if so, who is authorized to receive it, and,

on these points prior to disclosing inforraticn r2lating to the Organization,
and failure to obtain such a decision will be grounds for my dismissal,

5. I understand that my unauthorized action cr verbal or written utterance ;
which would reasonaodly ve expected to result in sublicity on intelligence -
or intelligence activities would be in violation of covernment and Organization
regulations and would te grourds for my dismissal,

permitting aoveal at ali times of any legitimate criticisn, grievance, or
complaint and that to carry any such grievance or complaint which I may have
outside the Organization will be ccnsidered a violation of the undertaking set

7. %I further understard and agree that my essociation with the Organization
is conditioned upon ny understanding of and strict compliance with the Organiza-

8. I will not unjertake to publish or participate in the publication of any
information or material relating to the Orgarization, its activities, or
intelligence activities generally, either during or after the term of my
association with the Organization without specific srior approval by the
Crganization.

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© JAGUAR Report on STEBONT/1

ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES

JAGUAR had made the following available to us, in response to our
request for information on a continuing basia relating to STEBONY/ 1s

“In mid-May STEBONY/1 was still trying to arrange a visit to
Algiers this summer ~ on the strength of help he has received
from 'some comrades‘.

"Robert WILLIAMS in Havana has given STEBONY/1 the impression
that he may visit Algiers as a member of a Cuban delegation.
Aleo, STEBONY/1 understands that William WCRTHY, who has been in
Hanoi, will be going to Algiers. STSBONY/1 expects to meet a
munder of hie friends there and his main reason for wishing to
make this trip is to discuss his problems, past and present,
with these friends and other interested parties. He hopes to
clear up doubts and uncertainties and, in this context, he has
commented that one of the reasons for much of the hostility show
to him hae been the reluctance of others to involve themselves
in the differences which arose between himself and Jacques VERGES
because the latter was clearly more influential and more important
than STEBORY/1.

*"STEBONY/4 hed heard that VERGES was still insisting that
STEBONY/1 wes a KUBARK agent and that Nile ANDERSON and Jacques
GRIPPA were ‘ODYCKE double agenta’. GRIPPA, who is leader of the
pro-Chinese Communist group in Belgium, is planning to bring up~
to-date hie book 'Marxism—Leniniem or Revisionism’, publisnaed two
years ago, by adding a naw chapter. STEBONY/ 1 is locking into the
possitility of ite publication in the UK or PBPRIMS and, in this
context, he considers ‘Konthly Review" to be the only possible
medium although Leo FUBERMAN, one of the publication's editors,
is not enthusiastic about the idea.”

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2-Chief, LOPEPEIS EEN OS COPY OXSPATCH SYMBOL AND MLAEGER i

. 208, Algiers OELA~43,235__

HEADQUARTERS FILE NUMBER

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| ~ KAPOX STEBONY SUDESK ORPREY
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| 2. ON 1 JUNE KATZENBACH INTRODUCED TIFFANY TO STEBONY/I (S/1).
ss ON 2 JUNE S/1 FILLED OUT PRO PART ONE, SIGNED SECRECY AGREEMENT

AND PSEUDO CARD, AGREED SIGN TWO YEAR CONTRACT 3 JUNE ON FOLLOWING
TERMS: NS
A. COMPENSATION: FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS SALARY PLUS ONE
HUNDRED NON ACCOUNTABLE EXPENSE ALLOWANCE PER MONTH.
“B. TRAVEL COST PLOS AUTHORIZED MISCELLANEOUS OPS EXPENSES.
C. TERMINATION: TERM FIXED 1 JUNE THROUGH 31 AUGUST AT

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ALGI PERFORMANCE AND DEGREE ACCESS HE HAS ACHIEVED FOR LONG TERM
j PENETRATION ASIAN AFRICAN REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT. ALSO ON 1
‘SEPT THIRTY DAY CANCELLATION CLAUSE BECOMES OPERATIVE.

Ds’ KUBARK AGREES PAY COST RESETTLEMENT S/1 FAMILY aT END
3. ALGI SUMMER TOUR IF THIS REQUIRED BY S/1 JOB LOCATION.
+. | Ed- QUESTION OF HOLDING PART S/1 COMPENSATION IN ESCROW

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DIV PRIOR DEPARTURE HOS, WILL ASSUME APPROVAL UNLESS NOTIFIED
“OTHERWISE AND PRESENT CONTRACT FOR S/1 SIGNATURE 1000 HOURS 3

JUNE. IMMEDIATELY AFTER WILL INTRODUCE RODIGAST. S/1 PASSED
EQUIV 190 DOLLARS SIGNING BONUS.

3. TENTATIVE ITINERARY FOR S/1 IS DEPART LOND 8 JUNE SPEND
ONE DAY TO VISIT GRIPFA AND OR RAINDORF BRUS; TO LAUSANNE BY
RAIL 9 JUNE$ TO PARI BY RAIL LATE 11 JUNE$ TO TANGIER BY AIR
16 JUNE AND ON TO ALGI BY RAIL 17 OR 18 JUNE. ~

4. WE BELiZVE S/1 HAS ADEQUATE COVER FOR ALGI SUMMER,
DETAILS BY POUCH.

5. ON BASIS TALKS WITH MARC SCHLEIFFER 1 JUNE S/1 SUGGESTED ;
THAT HE TAKE TAPE RECORDER (OSTENSIBLY SUPPLIED BY BROTHER IN LAW)
TO ALGI TO USE TOGETHER WITH S FOR RECORDING INTERVIEWS FOR

’ PACIFICA FOUNDATION NEW JERSEY RADIO STATION WBAI. TIFFANY GAVE

TENTATIVE TURNDOWN THIS IDEA, SINCE IT HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE

: REPORTER IN S/t POSITION WOULD SPEND TIME MAKING TAPES FOR

POSSIBLE (NOT CERTAIN) NOMINAL PAYTS BY WBAI. HOWEVER, THIS

6 IMMICK nrcitt BE USEFUL TO GET S/1 ACCESS FOR PRIVATE TALKS WITH

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6. FORWARDING PRO ONE AND SECRECY AGREEMENT. WITH THIS AND
«$71 AGREEMENT LCFLUTTER TRUST HOS CAN EXPEDITE APPROPRIATE
SECURITY CLEARANCE S/1.

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TO FLUTTER STEBONY/1. HOWEVER, OUR GENERAL POLICY IS NOT
TO FLUTTER HERE ANYONE WHO LIKELY REACT AND RAISE FUSS
CAUSING SERIOUS POLITICAL EXBARRASSMENT FOR US OR HMG. -

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REASON TO DOUBT STEBONY/! WILL COTTON To FLUTTER, AND PREFER
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"1. Forwarded berewith as Endlosure are the tapes of KATZENBACH‘s
Hopefully, this

interviews of STEBONY/1 requested in Reference A.

package will reach London in time for background use by Rodigast.

2. After Rodigast is finished with the tapes, please save one

reel or send it back to Headquarters for retention, and destroy

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not clear whether the STEZONY list was for the English-language edition of
*Revolution® only, or for all subscribers. If possible, we should appreciate
Headquarters’ forwarding a list of "Revolution" subscribers and addresses in

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Refe O¥PA 79410, 3 Hay 1965

London Station was able to make only a single copy of the list,
and, due to its bulk and tho length of tine required to copy it, we
have not retained a copy. We doubt that the entire list, which runs to
several thousand nance (mostly in the U.5.) would be useful to Paris
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| HAVE RECENTLY PEVIVED SAYING THAT STERONY/1 IS CONNECTED VITH A | -
_FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.” STA PEQUEST FOR ELABOPGTION, \ i °
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AETION REQUIRED . REFERENCES

1. During a recent meeting, STEBORY/1 called ny attention to the
book Politicel Africa, by honald SEGAL, published London 1961 by Stevens
and Sons, Ltd. STEBONY/1 used tha book to look up a brief bio squib on,
as it happened, Patrick Duncan. He conmented that the book, although out
of date and far froa objective (one of the collaborators was Rosalynde
AINSLIE), vas extremely useful to his.

2. I subsequently got a copy of the book, and find it useful. Hone=
theless, it is far out of date. It vould appear that there is a great need
for an up-dated version, more comprehensive and more objective. STEBONY/ 1
Bight be the ideal person to work up euch a book (he could even put some of
his wife'e talents to work, in sush a project), and, in turn, such a
project could augzent nicely his cover for, say, a year.

3. For Headquarters consideration then, the following suggestions
Contact Prasger (who published Politios! Afriog in the U.S.) or another
appropriate firm, and lay on a commission to cospile such a compendium of
facts, figutes and faces on the African soene. Have them in turn coanission
STEBOHY/ 1 to do the job, and provide hia with enough of an advance to help
cover his needs for a peried cf a year, say, starting after STSBOHY/1's
suszer in Algiers. (Alternatively, of course, STEBONY/1 could be instructed
to come to Prasger with such a proposal, which we could encourage Praeger
to accept.) This oculd run ocncurrently with STEBONY/1's newe-letter, if it
materializes, and without any apparent conflict. It could aleo afford hia
edditional cover for travel and interviews, as well as funds. And s useful
reference tool could result. .

4. This is just a suggestion, but we'd like to know what you think of it.

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FROM: Chief of Station, London
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Richerd Thones GI3S0%
Born: Los Angolos on 1305031
: Address: 30 Stockleiph zall,
- Prince Abert Rosa, London, 1.7.8,

2” As rechested, I en now enclosing for your Perusal a
Photocopy of GIBSCi' g Passport, nunber B.131994. I chould be
Grateful if you would return this to no et your earliest convenience,

3. Z em also enclosing for your ecsy reference a list of
GI380N"s rovenents between 14th Septexdor 1962 end 7th October 1964,
which hes been conpiled froa his passport, .

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year, GIZS05 end his wife, Joy Larjorie, have contimed to live with
their tro children at the London address shorm above. Cn his

rotura fron Paris on 11th Februcry 1965, GIBSON wag leaded for

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PS RELATIONSHIP 8/1, WE SHALL FORWARD SUMMARY ALL S/] DEBRIEFING

ORTLY MOST OF WHICH CAN BE PASSED, IN VIEW POSSIBILITY S/1 WORKING

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! PROBLEM AND PROVIDE LIMITED SURVEILLANCE S/1 CONTACTS OVER NEXT
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[ENList JAGUAR/SMOTH COOPERATION WITHOUT NECESSITY ACKNOWLEDGING

EITHER TIFFANY OR RODIGAST {LA TITER NON OFFICIAL COVER) TO THEM, PLEASE

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SUBJECT : Richard Gibsoa
1. Areas of Knowledgeability. A reading of the transcription of

Gibson's taped debriefing clearly widerlines KATZENBACH's assesament
that Gibson possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of personalities end
groups ranging from Zanzibar to the U.S. It is not always clear from
the debriefing to what extent Gibson enjoys either a first-hand move
ledge or even a friendly relationship with specific individuals or
groups. What is clear is that Gibson moves in a milieu on which we
presently have very little coverage; that he is already a member of

. this loosely defined society and thus can be presumed capable of de-
veloping new contacts or strengthening old ones by means of present
acd past associations.

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H It is not the world of commmist parties -~ although it contains a pre-

i ponderance of communists; and it does not seem to te a society which

| necessarily revolves about the Chinese. The primary commen denomina-
tor covering most of the personalities involved in Gibson's reporting ich

is some association with the revolutionary movenent in Africa ~-- parti- . ;

. @ularly Algeria. A secondary means of characterizing these contacts is : ok
| @ correlation with the radical French and Belgian left vhich lies out- 7k
7 eide such organized party structures as the PSU, PCF, BCP. (His main
: access to Chinese communists rms through Jacques GRIPPA in Belgium and
! Nils ANUZRSSON in Switzerland with vhom he claiss to be on good terms at

. j the present time.) Another common thread, almost as general, is asso-
‘ ciation with Trotskyim, although the meaning or clarification of this
political description is never spelled out. In general, Gibson displays
@ good and often personal kmowledge of target areas which might be
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a. African exile revolutionary circles in France, Algeria
end London, including the PAC, ANC, MPLA, MPA, and other less
organized pockets.

be European leftist sympathizers of the Liberation movement
in Africa.

Ce Algerians or Algerian contacts in Europe vho ware aso0-
ciated with the war for independence.

a Algerian personalities currently active or occupying
official positions in Algiers.

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2. Minor political writers and polemicists in exile

leftist circles in Europe.

2. Access and Limitations on Access. There apparently has been
circulated 6 charge that Gibson is a CIA agent. (This is reflected in
his 201 as dating from his days with the FPCC.) In dealing vith this
question, however, KATZENBACH cites Gibson's own belief that he is still
able to operate in the circles which would be of interest to us. It is,
of course, difficult to tell from his debriefing the extent and seriouse
ness of this charge against Gibson, insofar as it affects his bona fides.
It does seem that in Gibson's milieu, gos#ip, personal attacks, mddled
Joyalties and an aura of conspiratorial confusion are everyday facts of
life and that personal contact and effectiveness in building rapport

‘would far outweigh such critical personal charges -- which, indeed, pro=

bably circulate about most people. At the present time, for reasons not
entirely clear, Gibson feels that he would be unwelcome and restricted
were he to visit Ghana, and, in fact, would not like to make euch a
trip. He has indicated, on the other hand, that he has friends in Al-
geria and believes he could probably get some kind of job there or at
least find a receptive and generally friendly reception. He also appears
to have some contact and standing with the Indonesian government, since
he claims their London Embassy offered him employment. It is not mow
to vhat extent he might be able to parley such a contact into employment
in Djekarta or some form of official association in Europe, although
these questions could be explored further. ‘The termination of his asso-
eiation with Revolution and Verges would not, according to his accoumt of
it, discredit him in the eyes of those who might have been partisans of
the ideological line which this magazine purveyed. According to his
account, Verges is not in good standing with the pro-Chinese like Gripps

’ or even the Chinese, and that his (Gibson's) quarrel with Verges over

unpaid salary is well know. While this may not be unbiased, it is
epparently true that he has lodged a claim for payment against Verges,
end thus is not in the position of having been expelled from Revolution
for ideological deviation. As Gibson gecounts it, it is Verges, not he,
who is discredited. .

3. Motivation and Readiness to Cooperate. The debriefing reflects
between the lines what KATZENBACH judges in his covering dispatch to be

@ readiness to collect information for us moving that ve are an official
agency and probably suspecting that ve are KUBARK. His professed mti-
wation is monetary, and frankly so, although a certain degree of fatigue
with his past profession of ideological punditry is discernable. There
are also a number of indications that Gibson would like to rehabilitate
himsif lest be be forced to make his living for an indefinite period of
time in an environment that he finds both unpleasant and materially un-

. It is not possible, of course, to make an intelligent judge-
ment from this debriefing on the firmess and consistency with which he-

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unusual area of uncertainty with a new agent and one which a proba-
. tionary period should dispel. (It should be noted that in one instance,
he volunteered a name as an operational lead -- j.e., as someone whom ve
: might find it worthwhile to look up. He also provided vhat is apparently
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renge“usefulness, of course, would depend not only on his effectiveness
and dependability, but on the opportumities which will emerge and take
shape as a result of his initial activity. As a general proposition, he
ean be viewed as an intelligence collection asset targetted at radical
independence movements, pro-Chinese personalities and organizations,
end official personalities in newly emerged countries, primarily in
Africa. Specifically, these targets vould include:

@. PAC and ANC: Gibson claims to have friends in both.

be FIN and Algerian government and publishing circles.

c. AfroeAsian Journalists Association, and by extension,
other Afro-Asian groups, such as exist or promised in youth,
labor, women, and so forth.

&. Pro-Chinese European parties, including the Belgian (he

claims to have access to Grippa), the Marseilles faction and the
Swiss activity of Nils Andersson.

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@e By extension from these, although at present only «
remote possibility, developing Chinese propaganda and intelli-
gence instrumentalities.

In the short range, & current assignment for us should meet the follov-
ing criteria:

Be lend itself to probationary exploitation;

be not tie Gibson down indefinitely to one location or
involve him in an identification with one faction, group or
party that vould limit his later flexibility;

c. permit hin to respond to targets of opportunity as we 4
way define them, both to have a maximum test of the range of his i
capability and access, and to probe for the best long-range use

we can put him to;

a. enable him to build his bona fides and his contacts as
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journalist, preferably operating from Europe, capable of credible travel
4n Europe, Africa and even Asia, with some associations which vill pre-
serve his bona fides with target Afro-Asian grou;s. Assuming the devel-
opment of adequate cover, he could then spend an initial period this
spring and summer in Algeria to cover the Second Bandung Conference

(29 June) and the World Youth Festival (28 July). (Other international
conference, including followup AAPSO meetings to the Ghana Congress in
May, an Afro-Asian Journalists Conference or further PAJU meetings can-
not be anticipated as targets at present either because of indefinite.,
planning or because of unsuitable location. There is little doubt, hov-
ever, that additional meetings will take place in Algiers end Africa
bringing together interesting target personalities from Africa and Asia
vhom Gibson might attempt to report on.) In addition to his contribu-
tion in coverage of these meetings he might also attemt to develop his
access and contact among the official Algerian commmity at least with
the value of developing biographical and operational support data. H

5. Eroposed for Discussion. The following questions seem to pre-
sent ves for discussion at this time:
@ decision on the continuation of support to Gibson ona
probationary period;

b. determination on targetting for initial probationary and
possible long-range employment;

c. mechanics of establishing a project;

a. timstable for assignzents.

Jemes M. Murphy
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Attachments:
LOND-7065 (re tentative cover arrangements)
Partial list of names cited in Gibson's debriefing
Selections from the initial processing of Gibson's debriefing

Distribution:
1 - AF/l Mr. Baker
1 - 00/iD Mr. Downs
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retained in the Station.

2. Two receizts signed by GIBSCH on 19 February and 23
February 1965, each in the sterling equivalent of $200, were forwarded

to Headquarters with London's TA 5~190. We suggest that these receipts be
obtained from Finance and incorporated in GIBSON's 201 dossier.

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< Richard CIBSON, the forner editor of the pro-Chinese Consunis<
publication "Revolution", left London towards the end of January 1965
and returned in the second half of March, having visited Lausanne,
Milan, Rone, Paris and Brussels. During his travels he met Nils
ANDERSSON, who was fornerly conneoted with "Revolution" in Lausanne
and Jacques CRIPPA, the leader of the pro-Chinese dissident group of
the Belgian Communist Party. Since his return to the U.K. ha has mado
proposals to the Afro-Asian Journalists’ Association for these persons .

_ to receive copies of the Association's publication, "Afro-Asian a

Journalist". He has alao suggested to the Afro~Asion Journalists’
Association that copies of the publication should be sent to the
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Reft OFLA 42,706

4. Ref forwarded the tapes and ea rough transcription of the debriefing
sesaion with Subject, which were held on February 17, 18, 19, 23, 1965.

2. In accordance with Jeadquarters’ instructiona, these meetings :
were kept on a don*t-call-us-ve'li-call~you basis — in fact GIBSON was given
no means for calling us. Also in accordance with deadquartersa' instructions,
we did not pay GIBSON at a constant rate of over $100 per hour. The first

x ($300) payment to GIRSON was in fact more than we had originally intended to
give bin as a "binder", but in light of the imminense of his trip to Rurope
w: advanced him that sum to belp him to meet his expenses. This nicely

“goincided with our own time table, since the time he was gone - some three
weeks — should have provided adequate time for the initial tare to be
reviewed and for requirements to be prepared and pouched to the field. At
any rate, the total sum given to GIBSON, for hie time and a shot at his
mailing list, was $700.

3. LCHARVEST may well feel that it has deen done out of $700 in COA

funde. The information obtained on ChiCom contacts of GIBSON, or on any
» ChiComs at all, was slight. GIBSCN claims not to have had more than very

little contact with them, and not to know too much about them. Unless there
ie hard info to the contrary, we are inclined to believe that GIBSON was
telling pretty much the truth in this respect, as indeed eceme to have been
the case almost all of the time. While thie is a bit of a dieappointment,
in a way, and seems to lessen the immediacy of LOYARVHST interest, it
certainly does not appear to eliminate GISSON's potential worth.

4. The London Station continues to feel that GIBSON has considerable
potential as a source of positive inteiligence on a wide range of targsts ~
targets that appear to be only lightly covered otherwise, although we are
not always able to judge this. A review of this debriefing can only cause
one a certain amount of amazement at GIBSON's encyolopedic knowledge of zany,
many groups, personalities and parties of the far left, literally from
America to Zanzibar. We leave it to Headquarters, of_courss, to evaluate

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his material; to the London Station, however, it appears to be not only
rather massive but detailed as well. We do not doubt that he will be

catighnt out from tine to time on facts, and perhaps interpretations as well,
But tre totality of his information — and the whole performance was without
notes - is astonishing.

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was aade to show GIBSON that his comments on the American ecene were not
being made a matter of record. (I took notes during our talk, and always
stopped making notes when such a topic came up.) This is, as XULPA noted in

_OFLW ©1903 of 12 February 1965, an area of sensitivity with GI3SON. The only
times that GIBSOW really became emotional were when he talked about the
American scene, his involvement, and the involvezent of hie close associates.
And he kept reverting to the topie, and his involvexent in it, throughout
our conversations. We did not share FULPA's impression that GIBSON's
dissatisfaction with the state of racial relations in America makes his
generally anti-American. Ye does say that he would not like to be living
in America for the coming year; but in the oontert of one who does not wish
to be caught up in a period of growing violence, which OIASON appears not to
believe to be the solution to the problem. Fe statea: "I oan underetand
how they feel that way, I can recognize the problems, but I sure don't know
what the eolution to the preblen is." His judgzents on Negroes in the front
of the racial struggle (Walter Bowe, Yalcolm X, etc.) refleot not only ar
intimacy with the problem and a genuine concern, but also a generally
reasonable and real understanding of many of the forces at work. GI3S0N
tends to condemn individuals — he spares no sympathy for the FBI, under-
stendably ~ but he does not appear to condemn the United States as a whole,
nor even the United States Government as a whole. At the same time, he
makes no phoney protestations, either.

Several points should be noted. First of all, a conscious effort

6. Regarding Cuba, GIBSON showed a similer enotivnal involvement (he
acknowledges "my pro—Castro bias") but, withal, manages to give a more
balances portrayal of the situation than many rabidly anti-Castro
commentators. (Suba, and Cuban matters, were also similarly lowkeyed by
me during our talke.)

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appears, without the same personal involvement and bias) is in African

; affaire (especially in left-wing fields, European Trotekyiste and

H : Communists and their general milieu, and Chinese-oriented international
front organizations. Similarly he aprears to be informed on certain ChiCom
efforts at subversion and propaganda in Latin America.

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self. He didn't get too specific, and neither did we. But he did make it
quite clear that he would be willing to collect information for ue, knowing
only that we were ODYCKE, probably suspecting that we were KOBARK, and
probably equslly doubting (because ae knows the difference({ that we were
ODANVY. Hie motivations can be compiled from his own words. He has for
some time been unable to find a suitable job here in London, He has economic
pressures working on hig — now eracerbated by the fact that his wife has
caused her brother to withdraw some of the support that he bad been
providing. Venal? Opportunistic? Or someone who has a wife and two kids
to support, and no job for the past eight mcnthsa? GIBSON acknowledges that
he has become somewhat dered with the “rbro-biology" of chasing petty
ideological differences, the kind that maxe factions of six menbere or less.
At the same time, he acknowledges that he has to have a job, and that his ..
‘gocess to and knowledge of thase persons and groups are marketable
Commodities. His preference, he says, would be to have a nice quiet
journalistic or public relations jcb here, but his efforte to find such a
job have been fruitlesa. How, obvicusly, oan one of his background and
talents better enploy than than as e ecliector and reporter of information?
He says that he would like rublic relations or ;ress work fer the UN, perhaps,
or an ODYCKE agency, but he is certain that he oould never cet the requisite
gecurity oleerance. Still, odviously, he suspects that an “irregular” ara
of ODYOKE, such as we, might be sable to work something out.

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9. How about hia ideological motivation? we had hoped for some
more concrete expression than we got, on this score, but what we have
ig not too bad. de states that he will not be "intellectually dishonest":
to the point of decozing a "professional anti-Communist,” by which he ‘
means & propagandist. At the same time, he agrees that he has no :
desire to be a professional revolutionary. Again we note that he is
not blindly or unduly critical of ODYOKE. Granted, he criticizes many
elements of ODYOXS policy and tends to defend some enemies of CDYCKE.
A failure for him to do so would be sufficiently remarkable to make
us totally suspicious of hin. ‘tote further his comment that ne would
havebeon perf willing to talk to u year rn th
fasnion as Thie would-sound rather suspicious and
difficult to believe, were it not for the fact that hs did show hin-
self to be candid and cooperative in his Paris interview with a FBSWING
officer.

19. Wow badly .olown is GESSCN, then, if we are thinking of using
hime After ell, he has been publicly lebelled a "STA agent." Could he,
then, work for SVBARY successfully? GIZ50" himeelf ie certainly a better
judge of that than the London Station, and we feel that there are only
two indices that can be used to judge the matter. The first and rost
immediate is GIESON's own opinion, since Le has lived with the problen,
and has tested the idea in prectice. He feele that he oould still
operate ("move” is his tern) in most of the decirabdle arees success—
fully, yrovided Le hes adequate cover for being where he is and ‘détag
what he does. Tne second index would be for us to test his continuing
access to targets of interest. It should not take too long to make
such a test without rutting anything into real jeopardy.

41. Cover for GIBSON, of course, would be a serious problem. Fe
himself proposes the obvicus answers sove kind of vaguely left
journalistic tie-up. We should think that such cover could be arranged.
And we propose to disucse a number of possibilities with Headquarters .
in due tine.

42. Utilization and lccale are most closely related, of course.
Fro’ our vantage point here, it would appear that Algiere would be the
rost desiratle home base for GIBSCN. Fe could range out from there into
Purepe or the rest of Africa (tne two best targets, apparently) and
maintain a reguler flow of information on Algerian affairs while "at
hone.” He has epoxen several times of the ease with which he ia integrated
into the Algerians environment, and he bas a fairly well established base
there from which to expand his operations. He has eaid that he would be
willing to go there, or France, or most any other place where his
children can continue their education in French. And Algiers appears
to be, for the foreseeable future, a worthwhile target in its own right,
as well as the site of a growing number/of internationel front organization
meetings, for which GIBSON would appear to have exceptionally fine
credentials. As he saya, he could go elsewhere in Africa, but Algiers
ie where he would fit best. We would be inclined to keep him, for the
rost part, away from the Cuban milieu (except, perhaps, incidentally) ¢°
avoid straining hie reportorial objectivity. In the African, Buropean,
and international front areas, we suspect thet careful checking would
ensure such objectivity.

13. His utilization could best be considered on a straight
ipformation-collecting basis. To use him as a propaganda tool would be
not only repugnant to hin but destructive of his utility as well.
Presumably he Gould be permitted to continue to write, not only for
his overt empPyere fin a straight news fashion), but perhaps cocagionally
for leftist periocicils of his ow choosing, in order to maintain his
own cover. (This is, admittedly, seeing rather far into the future. }

We do feel, however, that GIBSON could be an admirable and highly valuable
collector of positiva information on that whole spectrum of the left with

which he ie already so familiar.

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14. GIBSCN and security, to this roints GIBSON hae met only
myself, under alias, and under the impression that I was here temporarily.
Thie idea was apparently made to stick, throughout our conversations.
We would propoee thet, if GIBSON te recruitsd in fact, he be handied in
alias and at a good, safe distance ~ more than arm's length. Until
curfioient operational testing had been carried-out, we would suggest
that he not have a “resident case officer" anywhere —- i.e., neither
here nor in Algiera. Control of GIBSON is partly exercised by the
documents we have received from him (receipts, meso of understanding)
plus the voluminous taped commente. These, while not worthy of a court,
are sufficient to do him considercble professional and personal damage -
note particularly that hie wife, according to him, would not approve of
any of our contacts, and this appears to be quite meaningful to hin.
Financial control would be a continuing factor. And, perhaps to an
unusually high degree, we feel that GIBSON would feel considerable
gratitude to whoever (i.e., KUBARK) rescued him from his present and
difficult position, "forgiving all", and providing him with a measure of
respectability (at least in his om eyes) that he has henceforth been, oye
unable to achieve and caintain. In sum, we feel that a reasonably ‘“" |
strong combination of control factors exist, and oan be continued for
as long as GIBSON vould be properly handled.

bd 15. We should also like to comment on the reliability of GIBSOW's
comments in the course of our meetings to date. We have found hin to

+ be thoroughly consistent in his commente and attitudes throughout.

ee We found no indication of deliberate deception or sericue attempts to

. . Mislead. He may hove provided some erroneous materiale, or he ray have

6rroneously interpreted some evente; but his comments and attitudes

rémained suffioiently consistent to lead us to believe that he vas

being reasonably honest all the way. He played dow some items, no

doubt, and rleyed up others. In the course of a debriefing such as this

wes there seemed little or no point in pushing hard at such points <

tesides, his knowledge of the areas covered so far outdistanced aine

that I covld not Lave attempted to probe or pin him down on specifics.

(Note also kis tendenoy to nake corrections in the debricfing questionnaire,

as when the: wrong name would appear for a political group in Sqitserland. }

16. GIBSON's present status is that he ie out of work, in debt, and
without any prospects of reasonable employment in the near future. He
is somewhat occupied with an article he is writing for Fnoounter: this
will probably keep him frem taking another job for the next few weeks.
Beyond that, nothing ie definite. If we would like to give him a try,
then, sone move should be made to formalize matters with him before he
accepts some job that will put him out of the market.

17. Recognizing that there are risks involved, 1% nevertheless seens
most undesirable to pass up what has the earmarks of being a highly
useful asset. We request, therefore, that Headquarters review and consider
the entirety of our knowledge of GIBSON to this point, and give us a
reading on his potential worth, as viewed by LCHARVEST, AF Division,
KuD: ICG and other interested parties. If, fc: reasons of which
Headquarters is aware, and we are not, GIBSON is considere2 unacceptable
as a KUTUBE asact, let us know. Ii, on the. other hand, there appears to
be a market for his talents and capabilities, ‘we should move ratker
rapidly to pre-empt him. . His present flexibility is not likely to last
for long, and any plan to use him should tak¢e this into account. As

BC is awore, we are not in a position to mt this into the fora of a

London Station project. This should not be the reason for negleoting ;
what appears to be such a potentially rewarding asset for KUBARK, however.

18. We would appreciate a reply within a couvle of weeknof Head-

quarters’ receipt of this dispatch.

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1. Tranenitted herewith are the tapes of the 17, 18, 19 and
23 February soesions with GI3S0¥. Also transmitted is a copy of the
Station—propared transcript of the tapes. Tae quality of the transcription
varies: the first seesion ia mostly sunmarized, the subsequent ones are
almost verbatim. Roberta 4. HOSRELL did the transoripte, ani IT
subsequently reviewed then, filling in comments, names, etc., that HORRELL

had missed.

2. As rough as these transcripts are, a careful review of then
is fairly revealing about G13S0N, and about his knowledge of the topics
d@isouseed. Further comment from this end will be contained in an
operational dispatch. Rigtt now we are anxious to get the present material
into Headquarters hands for further processing. This is about as far as
we can take the material here, due to extreme tise limitations. We are
retaining a copy of the transcript, however, for further use and future

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: ‘tine the exchange rate was hardly favorable and you had to give a sell order

' 24 hours in advance for the bank to find comeone/ “And that was the thing.
The money, no, cayap that the exact sum in the bank he is not certain,

' fm that aceount, He knows that Verges's figure was around $vsze08i

75,000. He thinks that was fairly accurate. That is, 75,000 dollars,

© m Algerian currency. The money was placed there between the end of July
or August of 1962 and December of that year. In other words it was just
after independence but during the period of struggle butsesuxthwx for pover
| between the GPRA and tne nee ete, 7 coup. Where he got the money

i trons fa for the second $75,000, Verges said he had another account.
_N Ee knows (Andergon knows) age said before, nothing about this. And
frankly doesn't believe it existed.
However, he dose think that Verges has received small abounts of money,
yere from he doesn't know. The Chinese line is ending. In fact, you ean
tell from looking at the magazine /the last editorial. He changes-
The editorial called Compagnon de Route, which means Fellow Traveler,
This is just what.he didn't want to Yazx be called. And it ends up by saying
in French- en a fait ros, des , compagnons de route-
fC wo're fellow ‘travelers, we're for a united front of all the liberation

movements with comprehension but without condescension. It's @ mueh nore

modest, it's a playing down of their own role. In faet some
of the articles puxtixrziest inside the magazine of eourse are not in line
with the editorial. The editorial doesn't have Verges's style, either.
sic do you suppose wrote ite}

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style of ‘no either. I would suspeet that it was written by zed Zy
but for what purposes, te xe Grippa's people told no.7 well, they considered
this a favorable turn, that they were willing to accept Verges as a fellow
@D traveler but as nothing more, apd, they | told him that long ago. This is

a poverp struggle. They told him tha. ‘and what's more they're still

not certain that they want to have anything to do with hin. And apparently
it's gotten to be the etandardste-~scwothing that you deumad-- they demand
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the conditions of the Marseilles people who were tied up with Aun. ace

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was a condition. They put out a magazine, a news letter, called Drapeau

Rouge which had been mainly written— it's one single edition- mainly
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written by So obviously, the wind has turned very much against
strange things too. To Maspero, \
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made mistakes, that the magazine had been too sectarian, dogmatic,

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Salawa party - srageritand Niger, they also, according to Anderson,
2amon: "tho is one of their executives people, who is in Algiers, and who -

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his aubition, but his ambition seems to shift from one thing to the other.
You don’t know exactly what does he want. When he started this magazine,
obviously he wanted to play a role in Algeria and Africa. Driven out of
Africa, he still thinks he's going to get lkexwka back to Algeria within a
relatively brief perivd of time, six months to a year. And he kept saying.
to us, “Oh, yes, we'll be back, we'll be back.” He's already prepared a

list of people he's going to have thrown s@fabeus in jail, or shot,

Qlaughing) oy threaten with firing squads and zo forth. That fell ther.
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through, And now, of course, I suppose it must be extremely bitter to
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him to see Bitat, who had been sunfaz bis really the closest, and Zobardin Ry pat
(thy Lad ?- exception of :
7 been his closest associates inside of Algiers, with gxseptxsfixSeuerct

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\with the Alg¥erian (cc woe, ftud) i

Andergon's conversation‘about Yerges was based just on Bitat. He said

"Well, Bitat is going back. Touppose Verges will be followingx¥ behind." i
Re said (the Algerian), "No he won*t. We have > file on him, what he's done.
With mee in partieular. Apparently they cies that he had been dipping

into the for years. .

(rats is the Algerian clain- )re8: pwhat they told Anderson. ,,,

~~ ~ the Federation a@ France. . _/
I think it's probably true. The funds o e FINK You-see “hie wis, after
defense tieg tean {2

| " -gll, a lawyer and then beeame the top lawyer of the FLW A (in France,
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7 re9ga1 defense team, and this ¢¢*~ the had access to enormous sums of

money. The Alger-- obviously an u derground organization, even as well

: * one, in France,
structured a one as the Algierian/ many cannot demand very accurate bookkeeping.

Lg enty betes
There were all sorts of very funny jokes about nol ‘hemes handled, (zesty)

2 frritten on the corner of a newspaver;/”. . And so ‘under those circumstances —~

wa. i ae s
Yorges hiuself has told simi some things about «ame: ”

As for his connection with Khider, Anderson thinks that Khider may have
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nto get monedascof Algeria, but he doesn't think that he got

anything after he left and Khider left Algeria. In other words, he said

helped b

as long as he was on the scene and formed part of this vague opposition

to Ben Bella which Khider sought to at least unite on a few issues around

Berets,
he received any. He has no proof, of course. If he did receive, it would

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point! asked A to buy a house. ‘ Evidently: thought he had enough money
for anything. They bought pross whieh turned out to be useless.

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ok NMPP lowell: Miacageare ae he Preeat Pisano} s
bloeked Revolution’ s aecounty They had 7.50 franes in the aeecount

when he blocked it. They had a previous debt with a French printer.

cunt, of non money coming in from sales is apart small. ager tas uot

pepe “teat pat. the TA“ acpue) of existence. aa’ only to demand money avd)

Gave ira!
1 AC t find it in 48 hours could force ‘pankruptey. Bet & wroutibuk ho
Pubes Somtone urentin Le autre hco t¥, 97?
Creditors wait, hoping they “will get something.

Wise VPe pteyts
To cunsasten’ an Ee8 anount of money, best way to put -_ ae gh

business. ~ I Gould do do it myself if, 7 ould et the money.
Surat. ss ret apenas get the nme Dee
Actual legal ompowitiba va or the compan ound by ny lawyer:

nN 22 Aug 1963, Verges through 2 lawyer deposited papers of ~worporation

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FAP8,000 held by Verges and 2000 by Maurice Sat .

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I thought there were at least five; but forly two. ;
. The money, actually deposited by a eheck through the lavyers guild.
Cope} osc." ghere is 10, 000 "somewhere along the line. %< —_— .

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Company ‘ does exist but nobody / able to find it.

ao Go. «© wy current legal status- we are fighting for baek wages. be denies.
- ne then it goes before fact-finding. agent. oore they were Tot elacmee”
om wie snronef) Sad ~ one Sook of hu
_. — hia edntinues to drag on. The lawyer in Paris is not energetic... Bro-in-law

paid the lawyer Soo franns. He probably thinks that is all he is

going to get out of it. weanbiatisne. etc. He shows lack of will power.

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‘business. Quention ee : ¢)
Question 4 ie where does Yerges get ne smal} suns Reconsary to keep going.

Delducea printed No. 12. it is a high powered firm, what terns of agreement?

13th issue has gone back to offnat proses, fu oth ait . @ door bua uh.

I should have spent more time in Paris. I dont want to overplay ny hand.

Pe D sBald Qasr dent wus
Bogtved to question people systematically.

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Is Paris waned important contact, Valdes, Spanish. Gave meszone info a
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Culeme ee rove ~aeenele leoetaaer 4 .
we & Great shock to these people to find that Chinege aren't putting in money.

e It is always someone else, like Pinot 5 p1+
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; @) of Carlos Franqui, editor of Rev." “preceba is very anti-Comzunist, hipped
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on persecution of homosexuals. _ Not necessarily one himself. Very interestins, —

I did not see Franqui. I don’t know where he is.

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I was getting enough info for personalneeds. but didn’t want to overdo it.

I do need a better story to travel around on.

Grippa generally was busy, lot of people around, cbviously delegations,
“Here wrt 2 0
from where I don't know, aSomething had happened. Be is rather vague.

> ete ceane Sparen tat

Siac cash between Grippa and Se aed €ame on question of money. After
many nonths, Sorgeg-vent to Brussels, talk ended abruptly. VY waids ip went
too far,’ laid down  peeien line, @ “te 1 sneer u Bah wie Com? ,

Be

Delegate = tn sa. Grippa oe = mt bat pom any ne ae stuff Verges —
said about me. Predisposed to oppose wo) Veraes-

 Grrgpe wnt ner mati be angen — arte Andreas whos non cory .

got the money fron the Chinese? Did he get it from someone in Algeria.
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but he is afraid of disclosing.

Be wouldn't tell the Chinese at Bern the souree of his funds.
fe ‘ Verges debts total $30, 0007 ) B Now he must have cleared away at least

the big debt with the original Freneb printer. I said 36,000,000 francs or
about $60,000. caste? confirmed that it was about that amount. -
tim and I and my wife worked out the estimate. I don"t rexbmber the breakdown. oe
| yet Printing, photographs, paper, rent. We said batwaren AN --4 “6 ~4992-- Cpt bnae\

See te inane eal ~ 4)
_ _ Promtesory notes, Q~d. Zoey te t <anetbire AS he
. I have to leave ‘around ‘noon. 3 ny a els at home by herself. —
Wife working in Tunisian Embassy, 14€ a week. She is (isn*t) very
(9) happy there. ‘Kot mueh money, remember taxes.
Anderson: general baekground- he is Svedish, | 32 years old, bora in
Franee of French mother and Swedish fathe-. Hi= Harents sattled in Lausanne
when he was 6 months old. He was raised in Switz. had so little connection
with Sweden that when finally had to go into Swedish arny had to learn
Y Swedish. Married to woman who is daughter of a prominent Conservative ;
: Su*Polttietan, may be a member of the fesho5 Couneil. ‘Don't know his nane.
‘Husband does not see her parents. He chose Bredish nationality because
wont convenient, during Algerian war and didn’t want to go into,army.
Swiss nationality would cost both money and silitary service. Therefore
took Bwedish. In his youth he wasinvolved with literary and dramatie
groups, still keen fhteret in poetry and drapa. He is connected with
~frslee Populaire Qoraude .eHis press servée mainly for material for
- them. About all he prints. He is forbidden to print any political material

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we renin sere sername eeteMnnaten etme tetera ccowns:sea-eeen tren teint sae ascot ahtente Pe 4 fda

but he can print or have printedeninese literature, whieli(elassified

as philosophical. He can't print Octongr. thats eared praulicr Guy C22 Lay
He has never incorporated nane hk ctf _

privately owned press and business, means personal risk. i

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Most of his things are not political (now) but fie. Not essentially
a political operation. Eas two employes, a secretary and a Spanish boy who

; takes care of the press.
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, He vas one of their prineipal agents in Swit " He zpreses tea” ‘
= o “iat the support net work, to do tasks Fil couldn't do thensevles. ‘ Te
Carrying weapons, money, ete. He operated se Swiss
Much material was smuggled over Sviss borderat Geneva. “Web Hens Kellate?

Through eonnection with mu probably made sinet contact with Verges and
with Maspero. He got into ‘publisniag folet enets with Maspero who
was printing books. Algerians wanted these books to conténue coming out
in Froneh’ “Proposed enagh print them. He took t to Gendin 42 “ancl rtd
agnecet + poe ate fists Loud t. hetat ab, LA

a He had no trouble. Swiss police thought his life was in danger. synthe 38 J.

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a ear. They pay low rent. 3 BA “Building of very mixed oceupancy.

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His father and mother had flat in this building. The father and mother were

decorators.

Has office on upper ground floor and press on lower ground floor.
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Dont know just when A started this. business. He began in decorating busines
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paper hanging, ete. Then got into poetty, tm etc. had a little magazine.

He had some money and bought the distributorship of these publications.

From that he went into publishing, oletany Biyeevee aad,
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Ociercs
October- ee around hin, established ‘in 1964, summer, after

a
fiasco of ese

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Swiss Communist Party. Extremely snall group. aheut iar

Operate Merext art feidp of the th, official Communist party. Werks ¢

Aim to convince the peocp'e inside of ‘rightness of Chinese chttag and

provide a rallying point for those expelled from the party. Print “ta

Italian, Pew & Pornon OP La. wat

I estimate 30

to 40 people involved. ery weak sretienfaont

It ght be discreetly financed by thebhinese. La Leh Bit, mown Ranh
a aneeeeernrnne nt ow

A is obviously no longer really the center of it. He was the initiator.

Fact he is not Swiss may have helped. I feel he was gradually pulling

papeerers Sayre a
beck from politieg caseleiweet, >) salt lone Qy ¢

(cate te . “

Peoplejeven went up mee Berne and asked for athor Gu expulsion. They got

_ very little satisfaction.

who eome in

’ There still are nimbers of Spaniards-- he has Chinese and Albanian literatur:-

in &k Spanish.

Onee they get

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They aie hi t nae inde titers Revoiuctonerio ov dused or offset or.
mineograph, ‘principally by “Tiater ( pion) 7 Tayeettone f*
Catalan. eee leaders O+4 at H A.
Three groups :,
aecording to alban. The leaders of the other tyo groups were expelled
from this Lenin-Stalin party. :
. Don't think he etiil has distribution of Oetober offieially.

That's litical This ban derived from the Revolution ineident.
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out of Spain and can get this stuff they do go and look at it.

roletario, Chispa group is third. That has two people

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litical activity.
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foe ce ee eee -- cat a aes '
aa : aN cam: te. . rep tee eee ee ase

He is in contact with Grippa/and with uasperobut very unhappy about /AL

political line of Maspero’s paper.

She went to Albania (anniv of Albanian rev.) and some other people from
the October group. Went te reproach them for the aid they had given

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. His wif “does many things he ean‘t do because he is a foreigner.

She wouth web ae doe acted — BQ wet go am Pa. conditiiiien iodete
ee deesn't have much to'do with Albaniahs. Her trip gave him a better

impression. But she thought the Albanians bitte better informed about

Burope andparty id Scrope than the Chinese.

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She at one time was a nonber of the central committee of the Exungk Sviss

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Communist Party. “ighe iaboce 35 menbers. Practically ant ody who joined Ta

party wes immediately on the Central Committee.

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former worker now involved in Congo*%ese,.ete. rebel oups.
Qberosye patent Onow — wth peesente ue Cand, ¢ mnadbent wa LL, :
Extraordifiary priest. Ead high protection in the Church, with Cardinal i

< 6h) p. . who recently died. When priest was arrested, money

eee ere

to help from Cardinal.

Sone left te catholic ehuren. & ie ele Han li

Spanish, ent Pee 666 VO: vorkers in Switz. Many are lef t-oriented
and interested.
dux they are just workers.

ated

Marxist-Leninist Communist party made of the three groups~ Mundo Obrero,
Protetario, Chispa groups. Two menbers.
I can perfectly believe it.

eease any activities on behelf of Revolution which was felt as undesirable.
Whether he is still a contact between groups on outside and Chinese
Com=zunists in Berne eannot say. He is much less active.

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‘: ‘all these-movements dj~nishing.in size-and-impor 1¢0---- 9 +> - -
Be may be going to Brussels. He is in contact with Grippa. I don t_
know about it. He is unhappy vith Ma political line of Maspero's publicatios
Lh us os Lt va
aid they had given guitsterd. ae
Apparently that was ironed out. His wife does manythings that he can’t do

ay eeen qrtetartenrndmenandeendabeierdy. STG.

because he is a foreigner. She acts as his agent. ;

Cut } he doesn’ t have such to do with Albanians, but her visit has sonewhat
raised the pretige of Albania in their eyes.’

Ci think he would much rather deal with the Chinese.

He may have come in contact with the Spaniards through the Algerians.

_ ‘Be is known as 7 fan in Switz to go to see if you want to set up a base for
“ary movement -

’ any kind of revolution, Can give you advice,

put you in touch with the right buneb of people to sell you arms, if that's

what you wantsozkaer. sorts of things ° ’
There was a group ealled curielfs extrenely aetivedn all,s  DBaney_ ~~
Cuntel-geerp. Be had contacts with them, with the Rev Father Donde, who is
former Nd
be C,tholie priest from Lyons, \vorker priests, involved with the FLM,

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Teneretane ere Sem RE nen tinea ee Seach > nee SNe Rem ee cn eter RN ARE NY oN Ae etiRE ye Haat rhartt en ett

very mueh on the left, now involved in various things, rebels, Congolese,

always gun-running,/ but had very high protection in ‘the 4 hur-h, bis
ZA

- Vere
tien/with Cardinal Gepier of Lyons, who just atea. hea ties with the
Algerians. ¢::/., coer eee AO rr, jhe 4

}\Cardinal would be informed and

would

mone ibe made available to take care of hin.
fron the “7.
Many of peop ple were Catholic, just Catholic, some left the church. ‘~~
Coes Party didn't want anything to do with the Algerians.

Some are now in Algeria. Algerian gave basis for\Chinese elerents
in leftwing youth of Prance generation pro-?* .

ones who saw the total ineffectiveness of the Com party in France

(Were disgusted with it and sought to make up for this failure _/

poor a

“sand_sought-to-wake-ep-for_this failure of the Com party. I understand

eer ee eles

now that there is great corfliet aegemith - new generation in youth movenent,-

in France. As far as Spaniards eoneerned, suspect it came about that way.
A’s contacts with the Spaniards were extrenely broad, many not even Marzists,

Spanish Social Democrats, some of them. Broad left spectrum. He published

a book about sss Spanish Workers. Bitterly attaeked by Ken _
and Valdes. It wasn't Marxist at all.

eS) al Starry easy access to Chines! Embassy. With Ambassador? e with a

man naszed Chu think First Secretary. He apparently is the sient to deal
with Buropeans/ .
Don’t know whether A has contact with other Chinese. Some Chinese ezne

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to him. Normally a question of publishing books. And a very modest type
v-. Of thing. ,

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QS flat aue whine Vepeels da dene writs purnthil .
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He told me had an ineident with the Sov First Sec. at the Cuban Embassy
last Jan. Fhe Sov heard his naze. said are you Swias English? He said no, I {a

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Tren hed ware ty EPPA eee 1 oo re te nal tone
that sort of thing long’, An exotional ouiburst. Tried later to leave

better impression- I admire what you have been doing, etc.
A is known. b ++ Sov.

He has been in contact with the SalaoQ Party, with the Eritreanf, Liberation
moversnt. “det woe np. be wo “ewe wath, Catal anch Couptin,
I’m not certain he is in complete approval of what Curiel group doing.
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At one time clfie1 group interested | in something in, ¥est Indies. D nd etiland |
. dws A ome : Th ot as andy — whl crn .
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A was in contact with French West Indians. I don't know how far that vent.

Bere in London Curiel wanted to found a magazine last summer to be devoted

to West Indies.

Dard peti ted hited,
& Finmingo and Daylight. Don't know whether Curiel has sstxt anything to

do with it. There is a new one, Magnet. And said to be another one on *.

. int perm Dabsic <2 Do Capa - Ook fernataninte, 20 A Count pat A
Gor Onell dpe Comer urbe Calbeel sap rd.

The Spaniards- I had no real knowledge onthat.

weiner et A ahi ae

he of cath ¢

Me is likely to keep up conacts with theSpaniards. Also,with the Portuguese
—e.q. Tumebu Orel yee ee a ee ae >t on,

eens He is mixed up with Angola, was ihvolved with the MPLA.

Be was disappointed when the exaggerated claims of the MPLA were exposed: 4° .

cRarors . we .
that they had planes, arms on the inside, etc. (antler tala dp tecrcich Vitet

it did bawa fighting force. “dud enaluaud enh pad mi A woh.
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He probably is in Algiers nov. ‘
nerely ~ ry b
&. has contacts which consist of/being there. Blagane reba ese (xBnk “ome
Vv

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A.kept in contact with Verges when Verges in Algiers. Be ba’ cultivated “Ax
Lendictocrm deta lime syemey Lage Viargen (ower.
Andersons. Mrs. A.went down there to visit Yerges. A. had full ‘power tg

wee of attorney to sign for the Verges bank aecount in the asondes Bporgace nets

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money. A’ claimed the funds were down to 500 Swiss franes anyway.

Verges sent (coc to elose the aceount. Behind A’s back, and when
A found out he was furious. Yury claneiid th alas iad & 4 towel ante “—


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, Iu Oct of 62 before I went to Algiers, bE when I came to Paris I saw
He Lo ste dnd ebesse —*
: SI" Finet who had «x large amounts of Algerian curreency in his eres the-

ot) crete turn ettdsentnete salle

I jmet Pinet in Kew York when he came back from Cuba. He and his wife.

He cane Become PCC Taw.

He asked me if I had time to help him change some of this noney, which
gh he claimed was given him by an Algerian friends who vas going on

a2
a world tour, had brought it from Algiers, but bank “aid not want to
change large anochte! Ee was sending it by Weriout people to airport, etc.
Cha ani- for -own vn. .
small banks, to change a little at a time.) This of course was prt of

the money thatVerges got, D aro -

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Verges had met Finee during the Algerian sar, when and how I don-t know.
Soute BeD Gan ~—woloet woth pe sroublar weal

He was kexg too conspielious to do much ... aan wa wre

Srtacay uSipea. in propaganda.
Me bands UNeuditi ot 1h UW aud

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y A fis Algerian connections very good. Fe | was in contact with Ben Bella.

Qe?
The Erench fot mouta never allow Finet to go to see Ben Bella but
LT sa Bien Behl, v0 atimanel je atcol he Gnd ue clethne
did allow wk, wife to B% | It was she who took clothes to Ben ‘Bella

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when he was released, ~< ne een for

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In 62 ar was thinking of going to Algiers. I was vague about. ae fot? got. alld
abet a Ui get ST ah eee PA) whe Hae ‘ibe

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It was actually thedth Finet that I really got the , job with Verges.

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ZI had heard of tie: \and he apparently had hear! of me, but I had never known
Such dal that Lrmech bbe — as Bed bel — Pat ed rank,

hin before, ; ‘ p09 Se ereees of 5 TLeMmcnd

This was at the time between the struggle between the ‘oe and 8 Gren gp beso" © i

for power a Algeria. Bt et ae whist te We . PER,
Verges Tuoried the nal tiiicroces to. tor b Khider +e Aigier . pv ~ ;

|r fuy faret meeting with Verges about 15 minutes, Talking about an English lang.

edition then RaaretaTion Gb manent \.
re

Ali Buzuren, anener secyof Algierian Embassy in Leopoldville. i

a tunge=)
First meeting,was’4n November. (752

(\ Offices of Journal 2’
O get staff, et ste. Be ‘in eantine wai t to Paris + Seake

et staff, ete. m wen
aa a 5 Cardtal —_ Chote Yo when, B prepared ® LT. a calli Ts
He was

had to be cleaned up. had been vombed. + CAS.

eareful to @ sure he had foreign editors not Algeria .

Revolutiony lasted 18 issues. I have the full file if you are interested.
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$12,000,000 in Switzerland, probably much more.rlewfitr | ; i

foreign ministry.

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Be (dia not get whoat= at all well with enincle who Wis Hu

—¥a0—-Ben-Beile's °
foreign ninister ; 2mm LS,

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¥ Fifty million ne og 4 ave brought in to start magazine. :

It went behind Ben Bella's baek. Cec ittasctatt rica

Verges
Be! maintained later he didn't expect to hédld out as dong as he did.

ee She had ‘erosions Goch peek agsinet Ben Ben ma gins ida AD shiek,

weet

ae Ps ay i.

DoE ,
erges- lost - “pest,
estat 2 Cn he bai.

The politicalsection was breaking up. i z
hetantt dad er ‘.
Khider , was seeking to use his net as rte a. 5 haar re 2
cB j

eae pred SO Leted ae. rw Y Llane
Everyone knew of Khider's s ulation with money. ney.’ Turned out he had

woe MINE te

Verges was ee eer. the head of the African Section of the Algerian

Tbe Clumuws UC Come _- . €2za bt

een ee De ee

He xken at same time made contacts with Bitat and Khider for money.

Ben Bella nevor Bare approval, but other menbers of Hes, = Leiteek fanseom deel -

oe eee ee Heckad by LIL p44
send La didiah sate,

Dit! w “Qrui aived
/. His wife under Moslem law, was asked by Ben Bella if she would marry

4 pil Hae Ne aes = (is bed Mater i a
eee Prete) LG ole TBE t ta naan

{oles

Gad acted to turn over Foren Be to a-man-nuned-Renva?. At 11 next morning,
marten, a

fac td He
That same evening he left by ye rma to Morpeco and then. Paris.

. ? we has eee in Noroceo. 2

ao He floes, 08 D parse Tau)

Verges aieaye. cultivated a myth of big connections. But he does

( eirculate in worldly cireles.

aa ) hew pu-olenret rr Pe
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= ———~——--~-get the money in from Fracne, And he began publication of ‘evolution ~~~ ——

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oo

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‘obvgously the money.
Sinet jlad had

~ So he went to Paris and then he came to Switserlandn and/then he started
‘ to set up -- he had some money, obviously in France . / . and then he
started transferring his funds from Algiers-from ‘Lausanne - - ~- transferred
it on his person, on my person ~ no he never carried any money, but I
carried sone, and Kessel did too, Kessel claimed that he was actually _
stopped and searched and that he had this money in 5U0 franc bills

in his hip pocket and they never looked in thete. Any way, he did

as a monthly in September of 1963,
— |. - (Had you known in advance what he was going ta do?)) Scee
No, In fact, it was a question for a while, whether he would do it* >

_. .. in Switzerland,
A wanted Verges to set up magazine in Switzerland. ‘Kinot was very

mueh against it. I'm certain Verges ux$ never intedned to go to Switzerland

nitsZ phe

- . ” = a anes Pe er ry Was was meee Be wad

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very upset when he heard that Verges was in Paris. He didn't like being

€

50 emma ti

connected with somebody who had stolen money. I called Verges and said

he better get in touch with Andersson himself, better see him soon, because

he would keep rutting him off. The fact was that Andersson and I went to
Paris. That's when we saw Verges. Verges platated him, said there was

no truth in the charges. In fact, the charges were reduced. Harbi himself ©
came to London. ‘The amount) went down, from 3°° netlion to 290 <nithor
from Go wnther to Sy ~Hlhow » and the whole thing was dropped.
Buzerin, the business manager, was extremely indignant about the talk about

misappropriation of funds and demanded an audit of the books. They found

6 nition francs surplus. That was even more disturbing to them down there.
AS. :
Hebbi ‘s supposed to have said "this isn’t swindling; this is en :ffair cf
state. "puzerin was then givén his clean bill of health and he went off to

be seerettiry (of Enbassy) in the Congo, in Leopoldviile. On his way

back 2% last Spring from Leopoldville EG -- he was no longer going to
stay there; I think he is in Algeria now-- he and his wife stopped in Paris

and © saw Verges: He had aor ies in contact with Verges and he was very much

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Our transfer /was simply that here we had been working for Verges

personally. The money, there -in Switzerland, had been his money and the

ter veenant

Algerians never made any attempt to get in touch with us. None whatsoever.

There was a letter to Anderson from Chalion,who remained with the

Wr
Algerians. There was an attempted phone call from them down there- probably

ht REA Sa AAAI eR rancor et SAAS ett nen RRA i Stn even artes cert nhs He
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Chalion or someone with the magazine- which Andersson refused to accept.
So we really were never before the choice. In other words, he proposed

(the work)} we were doing what he proposed. He was going to continue and

Deed Se ates 12 bach sorea che sag teeta ea
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the Algerians had no coherent story about the money and what was going

‘on. At that time they weren't interested in the English edition. Later, .

when it continued, they did produce in Algiers one issue of an English
——

we Nk

no, : ,
* edition,. an imitation of ‘cured, whieh was very wadly done. That was the
—_—"

lagt. They never did any more. That was edited by Patricia usgowan Pinheiro,
pemgolrtl Orde a,

- urbe ure
a half-Anglish, half-Portuguese, leader from Mozambique who allegedly--

FREL/imMO

his group is extremely smali-- He was kept going by the Fileno people trom
Mozambique because of the fact that they needed a Buropean to represent

the progressive European element Claughing) for when the day comes for
| : C fee Qaretrenl, :
takeover by Africans- well, Carlos'was waiting for the day when Carlos
; . ~ " j } .
oe will be produced as a genuine Mozambiquan of European origin. She was

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Qwn0e Boy Cu-mamet A be .
; » Peter Yryer, published 1962. I can't remember the

title. She speaks Portuguese. Hay be- apparently is connected with the
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ape cna nae ae

Trotskyist group. xthexuenidxitkextexgetxhazckxie .
"Tha. , —rerm urbe — dam Bictend to Yetta: On —=

—I would Tike to got back to Algiers to see what is‘ going one Great

(ferment - 5p 2ay - He Cleletaoly ferigures Whe

fn ededat Ye et

ust part of the teeberg that stuck up above the water. She was close
to the Algerians. She produced this one issue. Then that flopped. She had :

4

been asked by Verges to go with me to Lausanne to be the joint editor :

See reraCare Eee.
ck

oA ee tenmmamnyeree oot

of the edition in English. She refused because she wanted to stay in
Algiers, stay close to her Portuguese groups She didn't think very much

of §& us simply because she had set up the publication of the English
edition eexaxéexhendanx » (which) was supposed to have been done in London.
And then suddenly behind their backs Werges arranges it Switzerland. The
British Communist Party was very much upset about the whole thing. They
had thought that they might be able to have somathing to do with it,

we

that they might take it over. They had a woman who was working for us

~

here, nazed Rosal¥nd: Ainslie, South African, a European woman from South
f - G Ss ry
Africa, who obviously -frhe works for a” TGhgoaskex News
va) ~ aay
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Agency here nowJ.vould have been their agent. It was even going to be
Ancorporated here under her name. Verges was going to be the junior and
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silent partner abroad. Obviously he wasn't going along with that. This was
the summer of 63. At the time of the break with Algiers, she was working
as our correspondent here! (she) was extremely upset. She was holding
£21000 of Verges’ money. She didn’t know which way to go. EHarbi cane here
and talked to her. She whole thing fell through. Finally she chose the
Algerians and then they dumped her. And she was forced to repay the ,
money to Verges that she owed. , ; % oe

And so we then stayed on in Switzerland. We were perfectly content

to stay in Switzerland. Out of the--- - :

Verges wanted to move to Paris. He had little justification for a move i

gave us three months to get out. It really wasn%t any expulsion. We continued

it (the magazine). The editor and publisher vere out of the country. : .

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XK Anderssor had nothing to do with it. It was still being produced by te, :

Only the English edition was banned. That was to prevent any further

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\the magazine. /
It was essentially put together by Europeans, ,The “actual editor

heed

being ° Gerard Chalion and-shy got 3% from Maspero who now
RAB ss
works for a professor Bexelhart e These are the entire issues shat ’
GE Kiem @
elt Owe’ nis ‘ut: tseer than I thought,

were put out by Verges.) 2X. started 2 Feb. Sim last issue, 18th Hay.

I have two copies of these. I'm trying to sell these to the Universit
K Qibae tu task . het ah R Resse be Te whew, k= ithe memepetgn? otlake

FiO Lee Se
of California. Don't know what I'll get for this, something betvoea as

“ th, yall ath,
$25 and $50.00; Verges doean't even have this. There are three sets.

Andersson has one, I have two. I's planning to keep ons.

tore Oho serge Adult tree dake mabe, bck.

. this I got’ (Sogether in Lausanne.

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Oxepiutgag I got them out of the binder.
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a Andersson had a file. *
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c I had to take Andersson with me to the binder to get them out. He kept one.

What I would like to talk to you about G iw pa wae pect %)
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AK e ME Cbd meatie

I don't mind writing about Revolution. Here's the problem. Once I vrite

ee nce near

about-- it's all right for ne to write about Revolution, Nobody will object
fat
about hew far I go one way cr the other. That I, told you I could put in
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the public press generally, except for this about the other group, but

in terms of Revolvtion itself there's no objection: However, if I have to
enn an rem .

go any further than that, that means that as far as 1¢'m concerned nost of
it is, )

these people will never touch ze with a ten foot pole.) Yhat contacts I
Tee.

have }, tate some are nore delicate than others- - but I feei that after

this trip they could be Met built up again, after. somehow finfing

. Some means Of interviewsing people relatively regularly. So what I want
L2- had

to ask you is, #9 what sort of ideas-if — any, you baw in relation

to me for future things; were you interested in ny going, investigating

anything fuektexGeaxcges further for you or are you satisfied with what 4th,

I know now, As I say, I don't think I know terribly much really, except

\trom other sources: !
., 4mcidental things which might corroborate what you nr —PecondlyE,

Can particular }

in terms of following up,. if there's anything+ For “instance, I would

the \_ side of this story frona_-
suggest, the person to get tis Algerian tikka Sag) would be Georges
the Csho—
Arnault, xitgxS@te French writer who was in Algiers and/ worked on the
there)

first issue of Revolution Africaine, and : after that never smpr=er vasa
id

, —rnfe
‘ewer any nore, split with Verges dio works in the Ministry of .
red

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Information and ch remains fairly friendly. on @ personal basis and
Cif that's what you're interested in. ©.
Dw could get me a good al of cafermation on the Algerian siden
~again’. through (42 %/rscor/>) and the. Ko.
“Secondly therete,a possibility — ti that we might both try to cover the Second

—_—_—_—
Bandung Conferenc + Gate :
Through who?)

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felt the European representative of the Atlantic Monthly, and we
might cover the Second Bandung in Algiers together. That's in June if it

is going to be held at all. ” het yp Sev proeustes Qual! Piles fatweetats Meg, rents he
Cal ws rh

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‘re interested in other things, you know, now I have contacts’

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Tor instance -I'vo sot too
That's why i 4 like to know, Leo't knou-shat=--roetty,"

5 Ov possibility. - although it's. a very slin one= just over’ across the street v4

x here. £ii% The Indonesian press ‘office needs somebody, But I don’ t knov
These are little things.” _—. Pan African Congress-~ South Africa, —
_whether—, The people | ‘of thexRahtttontxangronaxatsststeny the PAC, they”

“came to see me to: know at 1 could: “help then. a: ‘Little here in London, ‘fo

- setting up their offices and hagdling thetr’ press campaign. ‘Ct cuucss Sey

haven’ t real money; iodatorecteomnr and

ee a

ye (rat wasn't 80: appealing on. that ground) ;

lo, that. wasn 't. 80 appealing. on that score. And then, algo, they don't .
bave 6 policy, : ‘Thoy’ ‘ro sort. of: wavering betvoon a policy which means telling
“one thing to the Congress for. Cultural. Freedon and tolling another to.

see iene ne ame Mme ne ae

‘the Chinese seegx in Poking, which. any. nati onalist group has to do, obviously.
“de, 2 se aaty e
ts “extrenoly difficult eas 3. get an r fiser ipo

ind of a straight ansver even.

_Apside tho organization And they ‘are oing thro ha eriod of reorganiza-
COMER. attests con geNe ne throug! b A Perio = a
‘tion, after, sone ‘highly ‘scandalous, not. political offense, but - just plata _

~~ mieappropriation of funds; the usual thing that ‘happens in many, many
» African organizations, Spt*s incredible Caughs), . - But think the people.

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: here in London, ‘at. least ‘on ‘the surface, are somevhat nore honest. ee
my Coton you" re: not’ interested per_ ae, An staying in the same milipy.)

_ Ro, no. Bat. = Im ‘not: interested per 20, fotte say, in becoming a ‘i _
sort: of professional anti-Communist. | That SER isn’ t— _ . oe :

- Cot either way-. either a professional, anti-Communist or a professional. a7

-‘revolutionist- > i

: a  Gaaughs) No, no, :- -

exes Ko. The two, careers#a. Frankly; Yr do have. a feeling, ha

: . baetboeta; like Walter Bow; . i
know I feel very bad ‘about sanenndany, ‘Someone jx’ a § know bis probdleas. Only :

: rs’ 1 don't know, how the. helt ‘to ‘solve them and what interest ne is. to see
_ ; can. j
; 2 againg it is- alvays a problen- what: seek the: ‘US coveranent do - what :
aa . the people. |
: wall. ana al ‘do now that ‘they’ ve got ia Walter Bow ae mene To. a ‘cortain

extent ou a ‘certain it: was A. Provocation, though Walter vas: "game for anything,
; Ge you had gone ‘to hin | ‘and proposed to shoot the President, he would’ have

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Fr 5 AUR ARES we tart) A SUPINE COOLER TED HO TA SRN EURO SE Al SAORI 0 ire Se atm tte: om ence beets

paid yesoe You, i he would have. thought about: it anyvay, and probably OS
Dal. = ?, © aed

7 would have agreed. ite ‘would ‘probably ‘suggest. that you! ‘d-hatento:tiynt
9 tt President and the Suprene’ Court along vith. it, you know,. And ‘he’s not .
wild. Be’ every sensible, noderste boyy, except. that he has such a ,

it's not a. chip: on. “bis shoulder, he’ s got: half. of. the forest, a redwood on

a : - ‘he. cones from
his shoulder. He cones troa » the Paper’ say” Philadelphia; | ‘he doesn’ ty

he cones from Canden, Kew’ Jersey. I. romenber ‘when. he vas: playing. jazz as _
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\anete etna a RRNIO TY atta eon. = oe ne ee

Re eennnlaintbad meee aaa

> s told you: 1 about, ums maggard., ‘He was: a. very ‘good friend of. his as wells. Le
Poor Tee he. must ‘be very. nervous, down there is Agricultie, .

: because. he's knowa ne ‘personally, he's ‘known ‘walter personally,

They'11 think he had: sone very. strange. friends.
; Anyvay, I'e ‘certainly. = you ‘asked: ne for som so information which °
I'n perfectly willing. to ‘give you. “and if. you had. coze along a long tine

sempre menemmenne mt

‘ago’ and asked, in firis, I probably would have given the. same information,

The: point vas. that: nobody seened to want to know. - I vas talking to an. :
American nowsnan-~ r oms wasn 't running around peddling information, oj .

either- but L ‘talked to > people, sonotines saying just the opposite of |

: fairly obvious that it wasn. "t. ‘Anyway, ins vhat I vant” ‘to know, if. possible, :
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: . tae Cfecenuy tes. coe . vat . i
7 an articlejt 6 someone asked ne to write ap article about Comuntsh: at
. attractions for . African students “tnfrance= 4 in fact the Communist Party.
: “4 .s,
has very. e ntkuorttemnfor ‘African students in France. It's just the
; Sle -assoctation -

opposite. The 4 Bay -) the exgentanntan § for African students, —_

is very resentful of. what ‘they ‘consider —-- — and they would only

" which was b sed on some, 0 on his own nythology actually, of beautiful French ,
Tataten OA ?
white girls being seat to. ‘lure these simple-minded boys.- ‘Is actual. fact
Yetse seh, :
_ that's not. true. at all. f'n perfectly well avare_ that "people have written

4f“articies which bear BO Feiation | ‘to reality e , they think, a what the.

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bell, they want this wort of stag, they pay for. it. The Reader's Digest

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‘But vhat!s the point. It isn’ true ‘and even: though, it. piahesrie. font
. Wade he egal ees x
even good Propagands,_ Ain the long Fun. y. “em 2 titillation — Value,

He f 71a rade a

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- especially the racial thing with sex ‘thrown ine

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a the Encounter thing. She doesn’t really like it/. I hate to uenttaxcshessx -
: . £
~Bevolutioa and all--— ge; I don't see any reasce not to. é
4 She can accept that. tp. Aue?
¥ the fact is, the reason we have our financial probles, t to a certain extent,
- but—- =:
15,1 viveuse her family ts by no means poor/ My brother-in-law who has
carried us for months,, ima to pey rent, right this veek, and she has H
prectically told *im wa dtdn'¢ eznt sav ennay, Ro naw, toere I pe, vou iL
know. This has caused<—— I respect, I know what her problem is~ very

ach,

i often children that come fron vosy ‘woalthy homes——— and—her_tfanily——
Gre cones froa the poorest branch of her fsuily, which is quite wealthy
in this country. It's an Anglo-Jevish family” has a sort of monopoly oa

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eo aes ae

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! kosher food prepared kosher food here, sort of like a Manischevitz operatio~n-
{ wate

| fer brother, one brother, is ‘constantly hav ng business a failures.

He's a very nice fellow, and all, but at one point he made. phonoeT®

ane id rt
«oh eerg sad asta aA Poe ae A SE Bs a

aoe. eae phe, EES
now the last thing, he nade tape recorders, a little transistoy tape

recorder, but that’s just flopped too. The other brother, isa
Ma
chartored accountant. He has his own firng in the City, whieh does

quite well. He’ ¢ ‘married,
. Sey, y hin.
Phe gets along very poorlywith ttm. And while I was away, unfortunately i

° -. > ~ eo ‘ :
how t m going to~——— DAL eo bra asal ap haters
She's happy that she's got this job in the: Tadeaceian Bubassy. The

2 eer me

only thing she's not happy about is the salary but she likes the job. — — —
once

It's not serious. The radonevivas spend most of the tine ) telling her, St i

wal dae fant
De a ee wi fea re Se hate Se

stories. spout peopie Gey pts bt mae Sp: a fork sr pe

Spee ok I take 1 a job—this thing in the Indonesian Enbassyc.the =

ME te ete femenet™

voracticalig” in a state of war with Indonesia. Although ny wife is English

| relations deteriorated to such a point that I deubkzmes don't know quite
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that doesn't give me an automatic right to stay in England, not that I’m
Slay
terribly (eager) — ~~ to BS dn England. I would much rather

be some place on the Continent. I would much rather, for instance..
a

setenane ss
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take a job with some sort of a ““L'lew — Zao Qoviously that's

_ eut of the questions I could never get a security clearance, but I think

or Geneva, which would be for ne, information a I'd be quite happy at
that. As for working for an American outfit, I can't see such pessibility
either, wxcept this AW sort of free lance business, which could perhaps .<~
be extended, That I would certainly like, put i ts precarious——

when you have~kids, and then vy what I feel pretty.. ROlsd. comms tunnel endear

by Chere and then, 3000 miles of water in betveen—— Sra. fete at ertttwlae.. a)

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(et me see what I can find out. . soon as I cap. .. now

questions and ancvers. Who invited Verges to Algeria in 6s))

Algiers. He was in Algiers from the past point of independence, that was
with the clandestine group, that is, >
an July of 62.And Verges arrived there «-clandestisely=—that-ts;-S Bea ;
ire Vv: “hE: - ait fe
Belli, Khider, Bitat, i: o “suppose in October or Noenber of 62, Re was invited

‘
pie didn’t go to Algeria in 63. He went to China. He was already ia |

RNR Re entree ree ene oe meee

to China in March of 1963 cee. oh . a
‘How invited?) oom RERRATERe ft SARE oe

The first-tine be vent as the Director of Revolution Africaine and

RA on

my

ORM Cay

, there had been
given to her. Tet_in fact had-steutante a book about her. She was vell

known for her part in the Algerian war untzpke» and in this is how he jot
the interview with Hao, as ;
Age was an official Algerian representative, Aad Director of Publications .

| he mam (intent neh pL drawn Sour atte, the heroine otfne Algertan Yar,
}
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i
'
Aan enormous amount of publicity in the Chinese press 8 was |
{

Committee o& of Foreign Relations something like that, that handled
the visit. :
(Chen did he marry Djamila)) .~ pp tevee® > ‘

Nobody knovs,. ie knows whether they are really married. Em This
is again Pros | one of the things that he loves to keep a mystery. It is rumored,
a : 3 : it has been said by a lot xiwrteexx of

sponsored by the Political Bureau of the ru, and, I think it was, “The ; :

th NS Ai te al EERE RNR —eeecmneen nn : —masatheite

i people that he has a

: J mazeetons marriageve know he was coaverted to Islam. During the war, the
Mm nolum the of
Bkrtupgects Algerian Yar, he used A code nane/ MANSOUR for his contacts

. 4 within the Front. After he came to Algeria, apparently he became a Moslen.

| Verges, then it becowes J. X. Ll Aisi rene To The Page pens fe 2)
\

j i
Comen he went to China. -») 30 | ;

{
{ e
Here, is back already. It must be about the 3th of March. It must be,
| because be and Djamila and ay wife and J and our children left Algeria '
{ i

on the same plane for Paris when ve left Algiersf definitively, Z&R he
The
cpangine planes in Paris for Moscow and. 1 going a day or so later to Geneva.,

; \ Sass “sotheo Geneva, Lausanne.

(Shocking, on name) - ce EYE. J. M. all the way through. Toie—-was-caly_at-the

his is the last 1esce) ‘there are sixteen issues here.
ke knew that. he. was, under pressure and he. Sried. to. _ Protect

|
|
] and became J. M. Verges, Jacques Mansour Verges. Now he becomes Mansour |

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binself. He a Donate along with stn - ——-— and binselt es a

? tvaadl te 4 Jy diaeade?. spake: hale Cte Gana. i;

Comite de Direction — — . —~~7 Humber 1 and 3, to Rd

protect him from the wrath of Sen Bells, but it stdart work.
: Led Paseo
‘ (now long- we wont say when they-got married- >)

It must have happened in the month right after Andependence. That's
what I thick. FE '] You seo ska-ied beer keld in prison, in France, She'a

been sentenced to death and he had won her - well, he didn't win anything
\_ In the course of this
but he managed to keep her froa being executed.’ #9 became extrenely

close tofer. Not onty ‘ke sexual Gee And thie is very strange, his sexual
I don’t know if be has one, in fact.
life./ He bas a French wife and the French wife has a child,a boy about
apparently
12-14 years old and he still is -rmpptiy married to the French vife.

ey

ee aed

By becoming a Hoslem he could take a second wife.

(pid he live with her="with Djantla Be? t+ 4)
ee rag bh 1 he 11 bh 1
Never, really., had h s. own ace ‘a e ved. ith.her fantly.: sxe} i
cats SiR Ya _ Ct Pe Pee acott oe oth hes me celica :
When she comes to Paris she otaya with him and actually they sleep in the
C so it's more than(platonic.) |
pet I dont think that- - it’s a sort of - a very curious P

sane bed. :
vetation fi toons to nel > teak .
\

(ast they vere married, they were married when they went to China /;
treated
Yes. I don*t know about how the Chinese zugusisd it. They never reforms,
to her as his wife, But that is done very often.+269 7 FF Aker F tent)
He is very close to her family, her brothers. One is in Csachoslovakia,

= ae

+ ane.

the other one was ihm in Leningrad, I think, going to school. And it was
Verges who arranged for transfers of money. Her uncle is head of the
family. Her father is a terrible alcoholic and skirt chaser who has no
Ee and his wife had-a divorce: .
respect from his c tldren,, The e father came to 4 Paris and Lausanne ore
and caused us a great deal of difficulty (langhidig) Anyway, Verges
s~
has family connections there. This marriage, that was supposed to have
\_Nobody knows.
taken place, who saw it I don't know.’ Bven the father doesn't know.
Be said “Yell, 1f she's married to him, why doesn’ t she say it-E

Why doesn't she tell even me.”

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x

He was never really accepted as a Nosiem in Algiers. People thought,

you know, you don"t take a man 9iiiters — a man who is a Communist or
QELS AUCH

even—— an ex-Comaunist, of hig kind, he wasn't a penber of the Coumunist

party’! “and convert him into a Moslem just like that. And yet there are

certain scharacteristics of his behavior which are very strange to explain.

Qae would say he did it for expediency, like going along with Ramadan, for
instance, this rv by, no means plessant, fasting- And even in Paris, stes

iert mt
be would fas , taeaahtee mee Ranadan, Yeo used to aan are rather heavily,
tenb see prd.
I"m told. He no longer touches” any kind of alcohol, ;,And this he does

ee be BEER Ee wea ecunatate hee SUR PPE PRE Ree 9 oe ORR ROT RETTET 2OTI EN EL ORONO RT, ROD MRE emer er EEN ens

all the time, ° ‘whether there are Algerians around or not.

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optics, -, , a. te

And his nigextxxxpexpess perspective toward-the A Algertang. He was always
Ae )
talking of going back to Algiers, going ‘vo shoot GNE32mmnrx Gerard 4 Chaliony

just because Chalion had Gmag double-crossed him with the staff. He
thought, well, since I have these Europeans they won't be able to take
over the magazine, ~ go-qarertyr: // He's -very clever. He surrounds
himself with people who are in a weaker position than he. KA2rs ,

Cheae- in other words, a “~~, ithe defense. “~ - o _~
have to be very strong willed. _ mad -_ ate. filage chat. took
_Piace in Algeria, Nother side, ™
Amt Chalion made a deal with the/Bea Bella people and kept the entire
staff on. a)
( (Revolution in Switz or Pa ris)
Cults ope

Once he saw that the old charges against him on account of the

weit CPt

Algerian Wor “would not be ~ that the French Government had forgotten all

“eee thie, that the Ministry of Justice had:no  XRRERA : intention of prosecuting #32}

*° ane rhe -
not only him, but Pran-'--~ Tosca \ was sitting there. He was under

yet

Sentence of death. And Jean —— — = ,», nO one had ever bothered. tex.

(Sabassyr—s) tC Le

He claimed he had contact with sonebddgg ~~ Cu! aw's of!
He had- well the only person who worked with the magazine was somebody
in the Ministry of Finance who writes under the name of Jalet. He does
the economic section. I forget his real name-- maybe Roget. He handled
Common Market things. That's why his nitiunnfattertags} for Revolution
Slways deal with the Common Market. Maybe he writes one paper for the
Ministry and another for Revolution.

Gow long did W/Stey in Seitey fend y

He never really stayed in ot si te just came through there and
stayed a few days,tkere. And he was traveling on an Algerian diplomatic
passport. He “still hetem has one. I don't know how he went to Japang,
because he had been very reluctant to reply to the demand- ¢he request,
for renewal of his ordimry French passport. It was quite possible to
have dual nationali y- French- Algiers. I don't know whether the
Algferians (recognize) this. I think that he meaxkeaxwamentrh
baad a norzal Algierian passport, that he only had a diplomatic one,

which should, I think, have been cancelled once he ceased to have any

thing to do with the governnent. xfstxButxiwmitd fo he didn't. want to travel

on it. ble wanted to come to London on several occasions but he didn't

dare to try his Algerian passport- ™= He could travel around such of

>K \Western Europe with niet siptved French passport. Most European passports”

ava eanetdarad valid fav Fiva vacea oftan thea data Af avantwattian

1 meaty eee on ee

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| wh Uy, don't really need it anyway, just an identification-=» i |
: tiHu,) will take an expired passport up
a Common Market countries, up to five years.

How hw got to Japan I don't know. He may have finally applied for

: xX

a French passport. I thought that he still wanted to mxkaxcthe

maintain the fiction of his Algerian nationality, by not uzking any
Reunion
! request for French a Japan he was called the Delegate from the—Yatort?)

+ a 6 meres apmeminiiiens

and no mention was made of Revolution. There has never been, to the

: best of my knowledge and the knowlegge of Andersson any mention in
whatsoever
any Chinese publication ef-shexexms of Revolution, and they have sentioned ‘

ee ee ee

all sorts of two-bit publications that they have financed lock, stock

and barrel. And yet the Chinese did purchase it. I understand they do
longer ald ino bad contact
not purchase it any maxes. And according to Andersson vho-kadulirest

‘

znateat betveen the chinese, BabEasys~ and Verges. «in n Paris taal . nay
(Wen) eon Part

As of last month.

ee eS

(cehon they semed-ceased purchasing)’
{- According to Andersson. xNexsksiatekk He says he has heard it fron

N
“<i ~
other poople.He doesn't know from Chinese sources. He did tell, the truth (was)

in Berne, I had written a letter to the China Quarterly about the article
by foe on Verges, refuting what Faye said, Asking what he thought

<= of that. And he replied that they had no objection but they thought it was

— ~e

about time that somebody ended ‘the fiction... that they thought Revolution
eae

was oextrenely embarrassing to them.

u
a

, ((oow long did the ang lang edition stay with Andersson) i

aThe Eng’ “lang “edition was produced in Switz ‘tor the first EEE year, i
entire vas printed .

PAI aan CTE NE: Le CEL AIS > STINT bot Dt 0) ty) TERI pe, SERRATE mS me AER A ERNE ERIN 8

the <iruk trelve issues, Aad in
jn in J
Switzerland on the press of this ¥r. wk Montreux. And cphguin hk
_ 4
was introduced to Verges by Andersson. Andersson paid him and so forth. : ‘
J Bat Andersson didn't have any official connection with Revolution OF so He:
jo it a
of now's I think, December, of 63. I went bexk and forth and Strelkot; who

\ : did the layout and art work, whew went back and forth to Lausanne and sav
Slmost every monthx, once or twice a month, '
' Gpnguin“éuery_months, from Paris. But once I left Paris, cn
t $l l2ts

bank account was closed down - @ I mean, shortly thereafter, by Geceeil,~

who came in behind Andersson's back and closed the accounty at the

Union des Banques Suisses*

es . \

((that ended the Swiss production) ,

No, the Swiss production continued, but Andersson had nothing to do

with it from that point. The twelve issues of that year were printed there.

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Be represents nothing. He's a sort of hopeless person. She's a very

’ dynamic woman. Verges claimed that she had become a Police informer, for
s a Ae Aer Tee
the Algerian police,and that iim she talks to very oppostte groups

and to
occasionally, Skoxtedkod to Mamani of the Salawa gxgegx party in Algiers.

But she no longer has anything to do with Revolution Africaine. deat
bent

nN

: know what sho-te—going. She woulds+t have anything to do with Verges after
the monent that she refused to go to Lausanne. You-sco,—he—sas—

i (nny?)

why did she refuse to go? Well, she coulda't leave carlog by himself.

Goa knows what would happea to nies Secondly, she hedato wanted to be
ines in Algiers. She vasnt inerstte interested im running &

magazine in Switzerland, the magazinginterest was secondary to her. "

t

| '--*4@  ghere was another Portuguesée~speaking peréon ia Algiors. That vas"
\ and

!

a span by the BAEO of; Braganza. Braganza is a Goan a7Goan who has lost his
sco aaah

tes yg GRRE TE: « 66 SPARE Peis ca Oe Neb Per
Teason ‘for betagwi th the end of the Portuguesé’ colonial. Tale in “Goa, he

should have gone ig@@k# back! But site he had been a Goan revoiutionary 7
-had> t
with the Portuguese opposition.For years he muy boon in Rabat hooked up to {

i the, at that time it was the CONCP, Conference tebe pyle Nationaliste
Use .

|
des des Colonivs Portuguese) which grouped tog together thexEdleso what Sexteicane an
came to be the Filino and the MPLA. It was part of the hard line Countries

—«T
There was another one elsewhere which was soft line. Braganza was also
Revolution Africaine ¢-.-

sort of adviser to the magazine, 959 questions of India and so on. He ‘stayed

on and worked with Mohamed Harbi and came to London.
2 (wie he have anything to do with Patticia ugcgowan))
Yes. They had been together in Rabat. _ .
(wia he have anything to do with carlos)
Yes. It's all the same crowd. But Carlos was waiting for destiny to

call him and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got ime
They'd liberated Goa, so what next, you know.Go back to India. Be pbviously
wasn’t going to go back .He was living too well,as it was. gis ¢ ta de
nobody knew him in Goa. He was a Goan educated in Portugal. One of these
breopie realty without a real national identity. He knew that he wasn't
Portuguese and had this feeling of alienation from Portugal, which made

him like most pr the colonials#f students there-- the MPLA really started

in Portugal- made him an oppositionist. He didn't have enought roots with

"* -¢he homeland. So he's just sort fof floating around. His wife is a school

teacher. He speaks excellent French. He was working for Revolution '
Africaine. I don't know if he still is. I'm certain he'll find i something ae

oe AE sEtan ds Sas Haye. + “HiPeaye,

to" do. “He*11 never go back to Goa.

wereearpoetes AAAS ai00 ven 5 eRSaRRRONINIENERTORNAAnELNee taeneRte 1 Hens ame mivnimennenn toniny ete entire ene ene ee nee =
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eet

is coapleted ))

Yes. You don't have jobs unless you're in the government. And that’s
“never really did much, +
a problem, too. In his case, he, wasn't even a real revolutionary, just
7

| (cris points up the need for a continuing revolution, Yhen the revolution

eee men

. is,im a very good position. He is one ‘ef the leading advisers to Bena Bella
vo .
¥ represents the Left position. He's a Trotskyist, or a Trotskyist synpathiser

Pe without any formal organizational2% ties. He is very close to the Pablo fag),

That's Hichel frist? He's Pablo, xsim—— fee could'nt havé overlooked hia, ,- >

‘

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i a bureaucrat in Rabat and other places. f
y hracgownars
(kz © 2id ¢nenitusa- got invoived with Verges))
new
That I don't know, I don't know how he gutkxkzxgentustewtth her in
. iI imagine | he met her ; H
the beginning; mn Rabat.” He used to go to Morocco quite often
€ aiaiahaaly Metin € q
and ay contact with all the African, ‘¢the-race people there. I suspect
that’s wre he net her.
(eax much uoxe those gure)
Kow you've got Harbi. He vas Stymie. the person who replaced Verges.
ih? FES Sake 0 re Ara rege
He’s out now, but he;ons-od=they I'm told by Andersson, who tzermne |
bas his ear to the ground in AM ers. AS. swell as ia ; Switzer. t Harbi... «
+ a ting ge PEERS SEE EATON EE) he Te RB PMs Flan tha ssf
{
{

he's a feature of Algiers life. He played an extremely importat role ia
(Agivoiveee .
the agrarian reforn, in, the type of agrarian reform that was gdng to be

carried out. He caze down on the Yugoslav model, that is collectives which

Tw
are privately owned by the collectives and run on profit model, that is *~ “
a
, protigbasis. a’
“fas decttes ~ } des Biens Vacants ;
Harbi,“ sey wore all inside of this Bureau éac8-ton. Pe

then
which/becane the Bureau of the Socialist Sector. I once did an article for

} prs baht ae fy

“tee Konthly Revier,* ‘qb-}-know)adt “about how it operated. What really 7
happesed was that the Europeans: fled just before) just after Independence,
ogre ‘Gitta have, considering what they had done. saat Thaycespected

a blood bath. The blood bath never took place. It was em incredible ¢

>»

\ That was one of the most incredible > things to me in Algeria was that the
Algerians dida't— —

© Abecause the stories yore horrifying. ¥ You know what happened. A month or so
(ha Fuewsk

before e, they; ere just shooting everybody on the street, trying to provoke
them, and the discipline of the SERx FLN ™., incredible. Nobody would

é Fitch apa Aw

shoot back, 20 patter what they did. So they; fled and they left all tra

these farms. fy. ie fw Re
duuatx Soe It was a question | of ploughing and seeding. There

4s only a certain tine of year that you bare-to do this. This had to be

.. SR oat SA ee “a= ewer ie nate ee

organized aad it was organized almost spoatangously locally. Alié-thea-
ee Was port-eb iustitugionalized later, sieernktons ana accomplished. . OOAGE Seg

PORTE CHA

fact. They want Some sort of a socialist system of agrichattre. They , os : Lee

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of ate

didn't know how and the institutionalizing of it was really directed by -
these Trotskyists. There was Pablo, Barbi, a French lawyer named Matthieu i Bef
frow Grenoble who had been involved with the FLN, and he, bogane sort of

legal adviser of Biens Vacants, which was vaguely under the jurisdiction of

the Ministry of Agriculture which was at that time under Omar Usgam

} who is now Minister of State, and Director of Revoluti-n Africaizs =*

{ present. He replaced Harbi.

1

| Harbi is deeply resented by the army elements which are pro-Bsx
{ Egyptian. However, the Arsy, despits its religious inclination had

its socialist bias and would like to see more centralization, noreson an

+ Egyptian model. In other words, they would like to see much more control
| from the center than this confused tre of regional or local control.

ovperehip is going to capuse | troub ble. Be _, It's vocal all right. 4 if dt, 18.8 a. rich.

Payers tJ
Fein? ZAENT Hw! 2 SEE Roa poets

one, but what happens i Paka “a7 poor one. You ‘don’ t spdit profit, you

.

x
hy They feel that in the long run the “business ‘of the ‘private “Soltective |
}

~e

split a deficif&. Obviasly, according to the Yugoslav nodel, the state
intervenes. The State taxes the rich ong and then distributes subsidies
to the poor ones, but this a debate that is still going on in Algeria, -aad

7
fusly enough these Trotskyists have been intontact, very close contact,

a ft. ee

j
}
| with the Yugoslavs. As you recall,the campaign, the so-called campagne

Vheetia henersets

i
de labeur, the ploughing, was made possible onlyby the delivery of 563 ,
Fugoslav tractors which turned out to the great deception,of sone of the

a
Algerians not to be Yugeslav but to be American trgctors put together
Xb Tugoslavial under license. _
(This is getting us a little bit far atieia)
This is Harbi and this is the group. Harb epresents the leading |
within the FLN i
spokesmen of this sort of Trotskyist-leaning Left group, aad his post is it

still very high, even though he is no longer Director.

\ : —_——— eo
(When was he dropped tea .
( ) (oats j
a) I think last summer. I’m not certain. With Memssz it has become much :

ia Arabic. It's very sert-2f oily, sex! 3 represents the wey muddled uiad

rAertre ak)
nat Goean has. He is very much split between his religious/inclinations «
ead Usgan is a full menber of the Communist party of Algeria but

he left 2 tonalist reasons when they refused to support the rebellion, dnl

feat

joined the FLN. His wife is supposed to be. fanaticallpy religius and has

de him more religious than he was. .

i

2 more ____-_-__——- the #vord Socialism appears in Arabic because it |

is felt that Socialism in French doesn't have the same meaning as it has |

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( {curious mix-up~ ~ this religion# and politics.5,

\Gigturning to our first subject, Strelkoff. Is he a practicing Jew?) bd
No. :
(gust an ethnic Jev)) ; : 4
Yes. :

(ciext on the list here is Robert Williams¥,Whcever made this up

' calls him an American in Peking.)
: But
He's in Havana., He was in rekine recently and he may still be there, : !

one of the countries that had a celebration. I think he was in Hanoi, if ‘

a

14m not mistaken. He vas in Asia. He may still be there.

Cr beF by-Mar..

Robert Williams is a Negro, former President of the Union County

for that matter. He went on a second trip to the Far East, hen was in |
Horth Carolina branch of the NAACP, who had a hell of a battle-on his: -

raed mahteene

éaat with the iyhiux Klau‘was'to shoot’back’at them. And’ it worked. “They

never had seen it, feufvmbs Xn that part of the south, anyway, the sxall
towns of the South. .- got geatlemon's |

hands against the local rye Klan and discovered thef the best may t to

teamn—pamiig. Up until recently there's been sort Or / gemsawl-agreenent in
the south that the Negro civil rights groups would go into the big cities,

where they would be reasonably protected. But they had to leave thezm
much. Wiliams J

rural areas alone because they couln’t expect = tiem Of course, .-*6 &

there ia no 9 Goubt,

sp creat embarrassment to everybody , &

NAACP.

} and they were on his back. He got no sympathy from thefleacership. THe

Ee first came to
A Segut—hlegeed national prominence after a case of obvious injustice where

{ bad> “some local’

a maree men aay, done somethiag to a Negro woman aad” Haga jury had thrown it
i C aicsle :
- eat, He, said-wolt if we can't get justice in the courts we'll have to take .

COU tana) ‘4
justice in our own hands. 8 iy heeeed EA: ahi ota But even the fact that
older, more — :

Negroes would fight back got the etd-temdiars;~teenmad- conservative jegro

Ayer itee a, i
leaders very upset. He-was—inmediately, Ro le’came to his support, i
ATrotskygites

particularly the Trotskyits, not the Communists, came in, and tried to
give hin
take him over. They dtd “Wt FG e@ support. There had been a case before,
“ty, he
rele Se
another case, locally called the, “Kisaing Sase. Two Kegro boys, you may have

—_

cit Gad

heard of it, were sentenced to indefinite terms in prison for having kissed

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a six-year-old white girl. He was tnvoivedtn that and again, it was the
Trotskyites who came to his support yy Sigs with other Liberal groups.
In terms of organizational support it was the Trotskyites. I heard of him

te me . ae
EIR — ERR NS | ~ahere—n imei er arm—

at the time I was in CBS and I thought that it was very understandable and
sent him a message of support. I met him at the time of the fbf Conference, . |
in New York in 19599 and when the FPCC was formed he was among the etght

2 th PTS BBR iiss Te

Negroes’ who were anong the 30 founding members, to the great shock of

ARN SE ARE TE

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approve of seeing the two issues mixed, Cuba and ae Negroes.
i Williams, very volatile, a very determined persony on a local level,
bas no ability whatsoever on a national Zhe level. He has become a syrbol
‘ now to Negro youth in particudar, as a Negro who is not an Uncle Tom, who
will fight,” eset We knew fiat what was cpaing in the summer of 61,
{ pashapettuas_hefcre——noon(obviouslyvasSabarrassnent for the
i ~ pational executive of the NAACP, embarrassment for the Justice Departnent,
and more than Gi enbarrassment/; Terry Sanford, who was the Governor, sob turta-
“eeix told him, “I wish you were dead. Period.” Txsy Finaity, by one

at, fl. o- Vaid

of (he es flukes of fate, there was sdemonstration over a swimming pool.
wide)
maey) dide’ t want to integrate the pool. They just wanted to swim in it,

of the Communist Party of the United States, wich did not particularly |
But the local people said they. didn't. want to,do:that..because they would .......:...
have te change the water, and it would take too much time to change the '

XM water aftéx Régrocs’avan inthe waters 80"tliey tind Bone demonstrations.” nen

kk
4

Williams was almost murdered Ga one of these occasions. The denomtrations

were getting pretty violent. Aad then King sent in some Freedom Riders who

en ne ee a eg ene a mae Same
oe

t
were going to show them how non-violence sqgxegx was going to work in this
. (A
town, They decided to make am exauple. So Williams said, I'm going to get

i

out of this. I don't want anything to do with your non-violence, But

you go ahead and I'll see what happens.” ;
Well the non-violent denonstration pavuiie) nore violent@ There were : |

people shotg. There were arrests. There was an English girl who now figures

bere in the British Trotskyist paaty, who was over there. People were coning
trom all over #reports in the European press. .The-runor wert-ereund= —-
Williams now had nothing to do with this, & was just sort of staying there
saying well you see where non-violence gets pou-- but there was a report
that they vere going to lynch thes people who had been arrested. As offen
happens in teeemxs this type of thing the Negroes and whites,# outside whites
j who were involved, really came in for a stl of a beating, and as in the
Philadelphia Mississippi, case, thes ‘have been killed. W/lliamsy was more
_ or less a victim of the nopia the Negro community which said “we've got to
do something. We've got to tree these peopley, ge get them out of jai1."
He had arns, including ease machine guns, which had beea purchased ia
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Xow Yorks and seat down there. They didn't use then eee they got scared,
vit

t they had arms. The community was armed. The people, out in the street |
in front of his housey when a car with a white couple, came down sna’ road,

a ect ag

t was surrounded and thep<aere told to get out. The crowd wanted to string

BE ts

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Fort Ser a lisete ,
town, ,clained, had losttheir way. They said, no youjre a member of the

Klan ia this town. They wanted to kill hiny or hold bim as hostage. a ;
Williams said, Gring these people in ny house and you know I won't let
thez gol He called the Sheriff y/and said, "fook, Y have these people here
and my people are very upset and I want you to know that I don't want |
| angghing #¥ to happen to our people that you have in the jaar 7h |
Sheriff immediately called the National Guard, State Troopers and what |
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ap fe Ve
j pot. They, couldn't_hold out very long. Williams escaped. Julian Mayfield
{well known
i was there, a,Negro writer who now lives in Ghana as a result of this.
: Hinnie a Negro woman from New York who was there |
i Syhtha Mallory,, wb was later arrested and convicted and sentenced to
| Cand the case is on appeal novw..
f3iliians was

16 years in prison for duet kidnappings

i
spirited across the United States{=I knew vaguely where he was, but ;
: janghs vO? -aniitie 2. 2 peame — : wD oie .
| he. kept very carefull” by Cubans and by Negro groups in contact with the

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Cubans, to Canada, From Canada he was flown by private plane and-by bud sandy.

swans bet Speer. Ai B00 oo SEER > 2. RO SER Ee. ROE age rk are a

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Castro himself, to Havana, where he iy now.
\ Qa two occasions the FBI came to me asking for information about
Williams, and I damn sure waan't going to give any,.£s&xSuiaiix of what I
i knew. We had tried to get in touch with Bobby Kennedy hinself. I had

er eer ree emer mes

sent tisg telegrams. I even tried to get_a telephone call in. Because I
wba de

knew what was going to heppen on this thing), to get some kind of Federal

tf

the most ‘sickening things that I ever saw ,
intervention. «===. It was one of those sickening things — te

: tutta”
They wanted him out of the way. Even thepsuny they came to me later——
f i
two of the agents came to the FPCC office in New York. They said, the have

that stam point. His aunt died and=tisey in New York around that time.

They went to the funeral parlor where the body was and put a wanted ©
for Willians, - and stood there. by
fPosterjon the coffin— to see if he would come. Really, they should have
out on /

been thrown satsa@a their heads, frankly. If it hadn't been Negroes I'm

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| “wentthet, the trouble is—— the whole attiéude. -
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~astiwady, ,Aayhow, as it is, Williams is not a Communist, he’s not a 4B.

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500 agents. We'll get him. He'll never get away. Well, he vas away at

Trosskyite. He's a former Marine, who's just had enough. Really, you j
‘ t Aad he's turned into a aworld-wide figure_
know. And now he has turned into a world?-wide Tigure/because people like |
“dother_to

Bobby Kennedy and others could not just/try to see what could be done abcat

it..d It was no use, though. I mean, it's no use now, Sinumextabeky-

I's certainly ay Brera sere eee, CEA gy cor deh ues! t erybody.”
Fran, that's too bad. Just like the case of théde boys, Walter Bow, and

so on. And they’re sot pd only ones. net, tor every Walter Bow there
Sth :
must be at least a hundred,. I must say, I would no more want. to live in

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; The_tveifd-sccuce-were-only" 200 copies faxicun, mak

It was still printed until No. 12, the—end-of_the-year.. the end of that

first year. “Fhe trent issues were printed there. The twelfth issue was
H _/ It was never distributed. ;
—\ only 200, or 366 copies maxinua., /\ I still have some. Those i

are the ones I sold for $10.00 a book. The American libraries are desperate

to complete their sets. It was never distributed because Verges hadn't
nies aed
paid Gphguin the money that he promised and Y, while the copies were
arrangement of the financial busins, Federal Council
sittng there waiting for sound’ pteus—financiel. arrangenone the Swiss/finally

took action and seized then, Actuahly the seizure was more “platonic'! +f,
hay anything. I understand “<’
but they just wanted to ~~ said you can’t send out-— ~~ Ganguin had ————
which of every issue,
50 copies, of—evers—tocue, , tet he had salted away), 7 Be knew he could sell

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them. I think he could sell them in the States.i:
*" gniversity libraries, you knov,
Anorican bibrarley. are extrenely all potttical files. Eevolution
) Tadhg” Aas SS TE

bocame a sort. of:ss- it: aa, ‘the Aueriéan ‘Prone PRavelutod knew a success, _

a ers

ore

it came from the Anorican press, not the French press, or the British
press, ‘bie American press, It was really fortuitous but Mame pends
that you can’t blame them - seeing this nove to Paris, a new magazine
Shs with a pro-Chinese line which really Vasente Je chinese line,

coming out at the same time as French recognition of China, S0 obviously
you write things about a new twontigth century Europe, Verges, the Chinese

d that was what started it ¢
top man in Europe, and this that and the oth aA We had three articles,

fn jaeT eae te lyale tors en~
I believe, in the Chritaian Science Monitor, nodatere of gnonchad the
cane in

address in. Right isusthexminiddes then the letters
All sorts of people wanted thea. 2 t
. came in, geez mieirepem <A subscription agency in the United S‘ates

saw it, and and started taking orders from university libraries. Staesks
copies, I think.
=a The State Departzenttook 20 munenpepses, »- TenxRangresexterstutinees

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the subscriptions |
, There was ae) :
. x Sxouteaxkast one ‘afrmail subscription for the, Embassy , <-- d in Tokyo.
The Congress for Cultural Freedom had even more than that. They had a
list of every one of their correspondents, magazines, etc. Everyone got

one. 4 So we were doing well. And he could have, actually, on the English
edition, whichhad a much lower cost than the others, he could have broken

even. He mould nevr have made anything, “fs a uciemer) » >)

oe fee a eet

Cc But’ v4 policy for the French edition, % wt whee pbon, a2 QQ '

She could never have balanced the budget without a hefty subsidy from

someone.
(sone colleagues on the editorial staff);

The detgoftm=d editorial staff vas gain a fiction. There waen0

Nel eges., Sp ace sesh

If you"ve been following Revolution since, era, See each month, “each

ente Cf. b ir, 29

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. ) misly fictitious names, many of then, 9 «7 7"! \s ise, Lgeate Saran on wenn oo

alae te. ~

‘ He's got Carlos - TAN - He's supposed to be from Spain.

x Kad
i Thies was a name made up *y @kx <Chen to replace Valdes. Waldes was

actually a person. who ce a Spanish sclentist, chemist, whe works for

fe Meo

the CNRS, the Centre Nationale de Resetoth ‘Scientifique in Paris,

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| _ He did write the articles on Spain under » Glen's 8 aupervision with strong

_ ferrrftat rewriting, And his real name is Lopez, *k I saw hin, he first i
| iniitial is 8. Martin Valdes is not his real nane. His Address «- ‘ 1

x: fa eect Bee MR ree Mays JS "Ra wees chee )e Rarer VY) ve eat Bo,

Yewnsxxxemd He-is the-person-who he is now wandering about: very much at
' odds, but he is stillvéry well informed about the Spanish situation. I
' think that if approached in the ppoper fashion, $n he might be a

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lwilling to talk. {°"

f2j —canpectoronse pee apie
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a In his late thirties, I had no trouble talking with him, He is very

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bitter. ((wny He wa expelled from the Proletario group which he had

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politics and hes matter of pride, etc. but he keeps his hand in. He

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founded, more or less relegated. He isn’t really made up for practical

said he wanted to go see Grippa, but be didn't have much idea of doing i
He is the one vnofora me about what was going on in the Spanish group. ‘f
I could have gotten more. D He Lad no ‘Asaitor SD wren fap ~~ |
Sudomkiax \_He seexed to be approachable, WA12ing to talk about the
Spanish ee we can lecture for hours. He is the professorial type, !
\ pot for the rough and tumble ot Abate bat politics. He was used by Gtea.

Gmat caused his rupture with group)) twee |

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Cngut™
: she exact story. Beh had: Proletario. They pvt out a four.
$e Sanne ron, ~
page news lett pf most of of which vas "theory written by Yaldes.

nav 4 Ae

But was rewritten by Cheu;—ahax Chea was in contact with the members of
the group and at one tine Valdes and his wife were actually told that they

were going to edit Revolution, § Spanish edition, thet was galing to be publised
, in Europe. By the way, the Spans Oe Spoke does exist, s- I'm told, ia

' Bogota. tig be Sthaw - nothing to do to do gato do vith verges e ry Our
FideNstanweraweut-, bh Cnreter waded, DHthck.
gad which is quite aah uty Rhee tea 9 Sh)

\ about misappropriation of funds. Apparently the Chinese vere Chinese were giving thea

Taig fifteen thousand, twenty-five thousand and twenty thousand and. ten

rand. somevhere mlong, fhe. line on-the-way “her

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Said to have. copies in Brussels. I haven't seen. Brussels is used as i

Curepsan MoEee®
a headquarters for Sestern-Surepe. People going through @ither to China
Coen
or toxax North Viotnam,through there. Cou Hag Sade Hah wrth mi
a ee (oe )) On, yes, at first eg wanted vo be iaenticalJo-
ae Revolution in France, but and they would say, well,-- they wanted
the editorial wor done in Paris, which he woula finance, ana they would
finance all of the production side, “ut he was unable to paf them for

even the editorial thing, so they said they would ao all ef it
in Colombia.

Re would finance and they would finance all of the production, but
tkheyxwere unable

They had a commercial al printer ¥. ho. mas. go to fron t for then inf whe
ace Ty RRS RETO. «BINT BERRI EER (geen Bf ine ge OOF Sp Poe ehiete.—..
on the sane fornat as the English ‘edition, the “a English editions now the

English and the French editi, ns are exactly identical, the pocket format
I dona't know what they've done, They didn't expect it to ast very

Bieta Bang ee

aomenddanaes = A A: TT AS CE ae hm ee

long- sort of a prestige operation.r Expected tjree tjree

3 or 4 issue to get out, before it would be seized, but that was enough
: for them, I think what they wanted to do was to establish themselves
on an international plane, even nationally, as the leading left

party

Mosc
They've had a running battle with the Comuunist Party. They accuse the

CP of having given the names of all their liaison people betveen the tex —
city and countrydide = they are running
xopumtetem a guerrilla campaign in certain areas of the country which

has become quite serious. And they do have organizational ties with the
ihey are by no means a joke,
& ALN of Venezuela. / And they are having people trained inNorth Vietnan.

They vere. supposed to. And in China.

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They have some people in Algeria. They may even have persuaded a a

wi Algerians to train some people. I don't know. But they were trying. _ |
Actual editorial policy of the magazine~ selected me
lt When I was atimapazine, I Selected the articles as I chose. ~ 7 -°

. the English edition, with very few exceptions, almost everything was~
Then fers was a biatus shen noe French edition. en I was coupletely
ca Pon

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Op mY OWRD. While there was a French edition, all I had to do was pick out and |
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Franslate. Basically it was a franslation. -£fhen—thero—vas
erges 8 rangely bas very itt @ concern about what goes into his magazine. \,

"as Seems 7 (ho now in control)

% di 't write and/he dopsn't even care terribly much... ,----
: Paste an former prof o: phiios, fiaght at. thenbiese, bas “’connections
OO "Btie His true nane is a Licee in Paris, the

“ett, people
makevAr ha frostyist groups. Is now suspected by the group,,) Clichy,
i Chinese group on the fringe of the ;Communist Party of being a Trotskyist
a S J.

~ “agent. Certainly. is a person who has had extremely close ties and maintains
i ty they with Trotskyis#z groups, particularly the so-called Lambert-/;
je fer ola)-Probably rer ee (Groupe Lanbert)

t in thirties. Married to French woman, from whom he was separated.
-late.

-caonlld® FOURS Eom Vietnam to. Algeria: He nergy went te MeO ee re Cae I

. French ‘but can 6tay as long "as: “wants- French V:

leave France be,ause has no/\passport. Has been in Fr [2-15 years.

his
He finished L¥cee in France and went to Sorbonne, received doctorate.

apparentl
philosophy, sociology. He 1st quite brilliant. He went into French Communist
I donlt think he was in the CP in Vietnam, but he was cpnnectea to Uvannntat
party./In France have organizational structure angjalso have proutvent
1 tneir permanent people. permanent
ople. Think he was one of th . Was at one time to write a book 3
peop t "Vietnaa depuis Bs SCO NES 68 by Hasperoe 4
on Vietnam, now being translated into English and will be pyb in uw — |

definitely
Came end of the forties or parly fifties, in the forties, after the war. |
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thin nth or so
Ei ha. Bee Review Press. This represents the most cogent tHsdgit line
that - one could put up for the Hational liberation Front of South Vietnam.

co-existence one where they don't talke about socialist revolution. They
God'’t even talk about taking power. but coalition, neutralization. .
Me wrote it'63. Has been updated with a new chapter. He does not still

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remain within the Com party. Neither expelled nor did he leave but just;-7a inc

inactive.” Vas a member of the economicgcommission of the party.

This is the soft position. It is not the Chinese position. It's an equal |
an ~~ KB he . |
wien Verges wies-le was in the party; nial =xkvoesesos, commission!

“Peat
was a neuter est?

Be has much less imagination than Verges, does not have the verve, certainly
BO! more than anything else.:;:. 6

ne oO. |
not the gambling instinct. He is a hack,‘ is very cautious, wants to protect

. Asta dA he ‘L cpt Ou Biaittty Ira?
fie situation. .(For quite some time bmta has been going to see Maspero after |

Magsnero's of et.

each issue of hig mag comes out to, say how good it is, etc, A4 /Ko« i
fralete a ead a BF Po PO be Sy, a a er sul th, pe o J6 4m
Pasperotold Andersson. --Andersson told Maspero thet"he launched a terrible
camupaign-agaiast. you. é

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oven proving his good fatth by bringing ‘manuscripts that wore originally
destined for Revolution. Thst Verges knew anything about that I seriously
doubt . This went on to such an extent that Maspero told Andersson.
Andersson said, “why he has launched a terrible campaign against you

as a Trotksyite-—" Maspero: said he didn't believe it, so Andersson

ebcvsd Sin c& lotter that Sey acd writtenin wich he dexanded that he eever 211 ties
with Haspero, and go cn. with Trotskyists..
He is a complex person. He has numerous ‘ties, Witkh- °
He printed two articles by mummprzxgixths British €cemuntatxRaxtrx Trotskyist?
about the British Communist Party,printed in Revolution,

under the. sore of Joshua Linton which turned out to be, Thomas Kent. j
nane cwritten by” .

one of the “executive members of the British mares Troteky Socialist

ee tie

Labor League, which is an incredible thing. Now he, G6 “really considered
by many of these Chinese people to be a Trotskyist, or a Trotsky syupathiser.

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» «1 don’t know about it. Ho does have very curious ties. I, don't what be< owe

present relationship is to the Vietnanese though he clained w that he i
had received .
ot nese letter: ‘from Hanol=)fréa‘a-friendswho was:18:a high position 2st apes

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thore who urged him not to do anything that could be “onsidered anti-Soviet. j
Ana they said that really
This was some tine before - in the spring./ He should be returning home.

But he has no intention of returning.

Comy))
- huite used to |
He xvxvenuttiedvia-thelife in the west. Be’ 8 one of these fellows who
“girl ".

particularly likes running around and having a- oa. « says he's gathering

information from —— one. day a girl tard I'm not an encyclopedia, will you stop

sking me all these quest ions?
(ous relationship with the Chinese).

lews Azency ae
He has some contact with the CRLUCBA MUR EAU but it is,very slightz
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contact, ~one Qf the
He was the one who finally in a state of panic went to. the, Ckt-Sab-~ead
news
Chinese/agency correspondents in Paris and told him of the financial
~“mand:from__Chinese agency .
plight of rue magazine. And that's when the ‘axa told him to prepare a
_— A, J hae.

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budget. gata they would see what they could do. He told Gaetel and f3 Atte.
Gasteli put his foot down. He said tht Verges ...
«me did he see)

¥ A €¥&r. Yan. They were at that time Yan and Yang. Yana heavy set BAR,
in his forties with warious groups,of political people.
/ the senior of the two, had contacts, The Embassy aparently didnt want aay

becaus y rseillesand elsewhere used to go to Serne.

direct contacts.cti.. fa gtr a ;
They had obviously first made contacts with’ the Sninese id'Berne and then they ccntinued ‘
them in Berne (after French established relations with vhinese) because obviously it wouldn't
look very good to beseee

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oulda’t be too aggressive too soon, after established in France, that 4

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sort of thing;),

I don’t know. After all, they have reasonably good relations with the H
French so I think probably the French will be disappointed that they haven‘
then
been able to get sore concrete things out of kxhex@hiuaee, trade and so |
forth.
(the French don't wast the Chinese toe ~—)
too mich. 7
dabble in Prenfh politics/, However, everyone-knove- cee -of.- the thinges—
i eoacone threatened- -
i that... Ferges-caceo-caid,.No nothing to do-vith- Verges, At—-mes a friend
: lew £

of mine who works for ABC television in Paris, QeoGcongicches Chiotfi, i
oe “ fee warking to: someone about Revolution in the French Foreign Ministry be
. oaid- vhat-do-you think about thie-Chizess, “He slvays thought there was

a ects erie a 2 ne arritrtetitag 7 sez. ae same: sees ye piney oe Pee: me
van 7 anf OR ee Sea Seat do you think about this Chinese magazine put
out 3 here? And he said- I doa't know anything about it. Besides if ve

political‘
wanted to examine subsidies that go into the publications in France ve

would certainly start with the Russians and Humanite and then go on with
financed
goue of your Anerican/publications. Caugha} And that was the end of that§

That may have just been a sort of snide rejoinder. I think that they
intend
do © be discreet, drat they wepe very happy about the situation

there. I was the Chinese Enbarsy only once. I was invited to a reception.
‘of government
I never saw 60 many people fron top bracketsx as at that reception.

eerybody - - they had. the Legion de' Hosneue, ~—sine—-
Shirnnd- the top.structite-of - :

ae Th
Everywhere you vent andy’ tad a Legion d*Honneur in UES but tose The top

structure of _ the civil servicyere there _. . _. . _ from all the
inportant industries.
(ernst 's 2 tire loyalty then})

a) wth
Gbon'e- loyalty is —" basically to himself. He's interested in Marxism, |

He's very academic minded. Ee really is a pedantic, acadenic person.

a

N
XN And he's got a tremendous number of interests. He is a very hard worker
when he works. It's he who writes and revtttes most of the magazine. He

pot like to write. He doesn't like to be bothered with editorial things. =!
Ee likes the promotional aspects of things. He likes to convene meetings

every 50 often xm to discuss things. But as for the actual ‘yunning of
though
things- ya ‘pe did exercise a kloser control over the French edition than he

did over the Englishé edition, he pever- well once or twice he said put

: “Ras ince don"t pat this in. “He printed an “articlé about Algeria which

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was veiled criticign, in the Prench issue, and he told ne not to print that,
for instance, in the English edition, his story being ‘that he didn't vast
to embarrass the Chinese. He said that after all tke Chinese were buying un

-Shfo and this mewks wasn't their line wa Algeria and they might be asked

“paying why co you distribure this mavazine,
enbarrassing questionsby the Algeriam— —— — -aamitt ~“dtetributor

ict catalase’ viich bas this untrisndly article.
((You mean the Chinese vere buying),
The Chinese at that tine were buying 3000 copies of the English edition.
ao woe" ; the Prench. They didn’t seem to mind xbent the
300 French
In actual fact, the Chinese so far as I know never made any comment
about the magazine,’ or its contents. None whatsoever.

ae “7.
(Us hava willingness to go to’Maspero and knock Verges and go th Andersson

e

except that he is a plotter, a born conspirer. He loves to have ten

people around him and to tell them what to do, how to maneuver. Of course

whatever he tells them generally turns aut to be disastrous for then.

Yor exauple, the so-called pro-Chinese students inside of the UEC, the

fmion des Etudiantes Gazmzatcze Comunistgs at their congrees last year--

een

1et*e-sea_ they've got one coming-unps he was the one behind who was telling

‘_them what to do, their tactics and strategy. They had a terrible catastrophe.

, (laughing) Ia fact the pro-Chinese students represent a negligible faction,
mow inside at the Communist students, the largest faction being the Italian
The

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faction, which is actually financed by the Italian Comaunist Party. pstrugek,

has gone on for years between the French party and the Italian partyY and
it continues there. aFho thenselves ;
/ y\ Then: he had a group of youths ¢ called the _Drapeau Rouge group. They put out

thas:

again a four-page, like a neveletter, Wi which he prosised to get money from
Verges to subsidize. Verges had no money, as you know. One single issue

o

is cane out. yee . won 2 - 4
- Way
rm proletario, with Valdes, managed to keep on because Valdes had his own
—_— — (p22 la aripd
sources of income from the Spaniards who belonged to £tapparently.
They kicked in quite a she main ¢ you know, to keep it going.
It wasn't too expenséve. e main thing is finding a printer tho will
» priat it clandestinely, in France. Boeause—aii- these, things: that bave-s0
nee roc Dee be Cemented?

x —
¢ o wader French law you're supposed to have a

who is responsible for it and anything in a foreign language is exempt from
tye liberty of press, from freedom of press, in France. The only foreign

Janguages that you can use are Basque and Breton and I think,” ‘Alsatian
. wa Mey + EER

eS wistt:

; and knock Kaspero- is this inconsistent with his pedantic Marxtsn?); |
1 Pactege pensrarceae eaernes as met pire: » eee re ss wae ot Sy area
. bes a oe hie | lot of it tis ‘Geadenic. “it's. ‘not related too much to life, ee

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: ‘\ For a magazine addressed to the Spanish workers in France and in Weetera

Europe, the problem was for them to find ‘Someone to print it, chandestinely:
i And they found someone I think with shigt and Strelkoff.
‘(What about Strelkoff). /.

: a
Let's go down the line. The next one #& in order would be Castet}: “
er

_ Chastel-<2) is the nephew of Joseph Castell of the French Acadeny.

; (Castells first nane?).
: ° Patrique

od

. Patrick. He is the nephew of a very fanous Ki man and he bas worked,

great pleasure.in sort of taking people away from Maspero. He used to boast

about | the people that he had gotten away from Maspero. I suppose this — — —
Lellew can't ao anything for us, 30 why do you want tozget a

~tantalizing xfevoxa but the idea that he might be able to undercut
maspere na, bring Maspero downxts — he is extrenely petty in this sense,<* <4: t

i
oe again, for Maspero.=@ All these people worked for Maspero. Verges takes =
Vv

andethen when he:

fog Meee

re | ™ faspexoafda't support his “100% when he’ wanted pe

' to buy out Maspero, Maspero wasn't sutonos touzxBexmanskt interested in
: : MbLvress “in a petty way, |
t

aad Pre  Serwatit up this grudge against Maspero,because he felt that
nved i <f

combining forces. So from that point on he, did everything possible. + ier
. he -did~ facan't do too much now, . “sn: aa

pinyxieep_avezy thing-pozsibie to draw people away, the play dovn., , He vent

to the Chinese and said Maspero was a Trotskist. The joke of the natter
and who are -
: was that all of the Trotskyists who had been, in this organization, and
x I'm sure they are there, came through Chen. It was Chea a who had introduced
really
then to Maspero. And Maspero was the sort of person who, coulda’t care less

Sha.

whether the Trotskyites got in as long as there was some sort of free
‘_the sort of
discussion, He's not a committed person anyway; he' 5 8 man who isxssart

ef sentinentally on the. ort but outside of any party, and for whon this
thing has becone a fairgly good business. Those magazines are by no means
expensive. Only sellp about 2000 copies per issue, which is 211 now that

tet

|
|
. Revolution«— it has come down a long way. i

f’: ot . . i:
vo Anyway, Chassel 4g was one of Maspen's authors and he worked for~ * ’
- fur Algeria. |
Liberation. He's been to Lacs and to the French West Indies, He's a : .

“~
\ | journalist. He's worked I gjthink for France Observateur, — — = « ;
wl
‘ i Re's never been a member of the Communist Party. His main problem is trying i
‘t
é \

f though he clains
nevertheless findsvery useful,» His uncle is very tight with his money,

oe et ret ene pete tie ae ane etter

| to be y bigger one day than his uncle, whom he dislikes intensely but ‘ |

but in any case he eyes him credit———— jie says I am Kessel, and they aren't certain

whether it's him or the nephew or son, so they five hin credit.
He was the business manager. He knows damn little about business, but be-was.

~~ Verges had a great deal of confidence in his and he knew a lot about : 4

’ money manipulation and so forth.

AEROS ABS

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‘ a
' Verges tried to divide things up. On two occasions Verges asked kim me
ne
to change some money. In one case he gave kim a brief case which contained

. . ne
x $30,000 to cash, and asked im to go to the bank and change it to Freach

francs. I went into the bank and said I wanted to change some mosey. ~

They didn’t faint, nor ask any questions either. Then on the second

telly

N | occasion I think I changed only $2000. It was in cash, in hundred dollar
. bills. And the other one was in ten dollar bills. That was the problem,

fae

firey had to count it all. They weren't at all pleased. Where he got the
It was ia Te A

money from I don't knov, Taepamexm used American bills, old bills, mzat~

wrappers on them had no identification. But he didn't want anyone else
‘ wee er ett
to know. He didn't want 2 4acsell to know I had changed it.

vs foo, .
joe ((You say Cassel) was never in the Fronch Comaunist Party).)....

Xo.
wee ce cee on Det wtiah nian eo . agence | tat. pra por. | yogic ay 8. eet g pA SE? crag? 4
eR Sry bt 2 at tight oH ( why not?) je 2 ‘ EEE nega da gauche RUS EEN AGES
~ - all 2 ae deagaucher-— — ~~

I don’t think Cazesll ex is a person--~ , without even intellectual /“2,4,
he likes to live well and the party's bureaucratic organization doesn't
attract intellectualszsmag very long. Many of them go throughf it hut
just that. They go in and out. In fact it's almost- it's very good reference
if you've been in and out of the party. You've got so many people who
have been in and out of the party that you can go almost anywhere and find
sympathy and jobs and so on. woe. People at Expresse and so on are made up of

Peeple ( (bose Ganeek 1 writes?)

Yes. He has writtea one or two articles for Rovolution, but very little.
—_————

+ tr cept enenrreman s+

Mig} ‘

The only thing that he used to do was to re-write some of “@&wn's thi ngs , :
fin :

the editorials in particular,after Chem had worked on them, to put then t
into really good French. Boar French sometimes has a tendency to be

aint nein eeees ner meee

wery esoteric and baroque.

(qe substantive editorial vork) ) : ; * ( a
: Wo. He is definitely a lesser figure but he likes his position. He likes —

; Though _- if
i being the sort of front man. with the financial troubles, he was the

one who did suffer nost. Because all the creditors got to him. Verges vas
hidiag, dida't come into the office sometines for days, or would come is

i“
only for a very short period of time, ‘Because he was afraid that people
. . here crt
would want to serve sumsones and whatnot on pie for debt. Cassell was
voy rw FON . o “ae et ~”

there. Cessell was not a menber of the company, I thought he was...

fee te amet ieee +

By the way I don't know whether I got that correct, yesterday. That

was the Bureau No. 6 where thee =~ “*"dand"ot "Rugust- - that was 63.

wee BRR as! wae che

When they sét up the company;
C Thatta Preesn nn. Al

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Now Sine,.
| , Sinet is listed #@ vith Strelkoff as Secretaire de la Redacéion,

which sounds like he had something to do with the editorial side of it ;
6 but has nothing to do with that. He is of course the partner of Verges,

at least on paper. Whether theres thousand france in his name actually
ffx represent his money I doubt. I think it is probably all Verges‘ |
money. I think that Verges needed at least another Person to go into the
eee He is the lay-out, manx make-up (man), Wien Vergeo-vent-tuto~ H
t just send
They loak-around to see where they can get then. But as they have
mO mODey nov, it's just a matter of ‘pegging. They used to buy almost

exclusively fron Magnum. = that's why. they, nga so many Cartier—Gresson.
Magnum has benext beautiful photos, hat they are expensive. And then they

wees ek A earn oe

eouldn’t pry thez.
ite erp CBAnOt A.A] Freash)).. is: Wt Repesen et

His real naze is. Maurice Sinet. He is French. He is in his thirties. {

y ‘
the layout, art work, cartoons, 7 0 handle photos, too??)) wer), yes, a

nn on a tne

Ge Segtgnigt te +

ns emma +

Martied, rather unhappily; has one child, which his wife clains is not his.
Be's more of an anarchist. He was in the French Communist Party but for

a very brief period, I gather. He is very virulent. Before Revolution
ae

csme out he put out his own little magazine, cartoon magazine called
had)
Sine Massacre which waw the most virulent cartoon; I've ever seen.
Bhakedt or Te
~EheR They depicted things like the clergy,; love Very, very. ®

t

| |

| sick type of cartoon, which contrasted greatlyx from what made him famous,

| the Sivclost. He made a fortune with his tat-ind he also had a tie-in

with sone sameurgizixthtieges promotional things, 2% Key-chain pad CThtre — \ ;

That’s where of course he made a lot of money. He does a lot of commercial °

art work. He sells quite a bit here in England. He doeg work for British

ad agencies.

Ceony does a man this successful put this such effort into Ravolution?)) . .

Because he is-- again, the same sort of thing- he is an enotional ;

ftist, very asthe <’ @incapable of any real organizational (work)- - Le

oF

Pe

So is Verges. I think that no matter § what sort of orgaaization, he coulda’t

a exand?epaeie. Sinet is nore » much more juvetile. He is ‘forever throwing
— f jprtawe zB

stay (with it) too long. He must be the big bosay of it. Be must be .
bottles of {ok,you know!" His financial success has been seriously endaa-

gered -by ~ not from Revolution, but fxamxbewkeeaex the business of Sinet

Massacre because ise. De Gaulle did act like what she considered

Dlasphemous cartoons and so he was arrested for Outrage ayers publique,
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ne

and Mme de Gaulle said she thinks he is a very nasty man. -
noes he get paid by Revolution or does he supply funds for Revolution)
Ko, he supposedly gets the same thing that evarytone everyone else

Coe ee

them but it cost a lot of money kexpet- it put this thing out of existence
}
gets- h getting 1500 francs a month. Everyone allegedly gets or did receive |

1500.% He has an assistant because he cana’ c Guvote mucn uf als tias tv
He's got to earn a living.
ity, He has a very expensive establishment. His mother and father, wife ©
ie)
and child, maintains two cars and has a three story- sort of duplex,
bigger than avy apartment. It is magnificent,on the Rue LAT} Paris s
In order to maintain this he's got to find ways of earning otbitsre a living ,

mainly advertising work. He had rorked for Express which paid hin very

cape Bue

well, but he broke with then on/political issue. He likes to oat welll j
: whet # > '

drink well and run “ground” “after. wouen and this is expensive. "$0 a lot of . |

— the work, t the donk ey.wor! Work, 18 done by Strelkott, hose real pane is go ih cco Onte

peat te aa

Alexendbr Strelkoff.

S Cterranespae nF “eet wien mas es :] LY
The nain thing to Tead in Verges are the editorials. That's the i

the end for example, there’ 8 the phegt phrase - “it's better to have for
the future a failure that is luminous, vas chet lumineux, than success

in confusion" whatever that meass. This is verges" line in many things.
®) ay - Verne poh
gegef They're (editorials) filled with phrases iea- - he wanted at

a only thing ginebery (2) cared about. The editorials are very-~ towards |
ple :

ws pee te te ee oe

C peo)
one point to circle these '- phrases with a crayon to shog that his

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Reel no. 2 i
.

od

G You have an acute menory for. the last phrase of yesterday.))
I happen to be a journalist. °
Creu have# a very retentive mind. You do very well about these thangs.)
As you get older you forget. Doesn't it frighten you sonmetizes whoa °
you can't think d- of a name- - I'm really beginning to feel bad about
ye o% something 3% I can't remember- - I think my God, what's happening. .
|: Strekkoff is Alexander Strelkoff. He is in his early thirties,
8

. N
>
“er

on of Russian immigrant parents in France,
(orn ia France?))

Born in France. Speaks Russian fluently. His parents were menbers of

Bolshevik Party
the Communist Party in Russia, / but with Imnggk Trotskyite tendencies.

ws nbs

" ghat's why they had to get out of Russia after the Revolution but he has
A yo SO. Trotskyist, 1 leanings at_all. tnd fact. because of pas. parante,,-he..6 BOOBS gc

eg RE SBOP EN v

nore or less to lean the other way, to be at least verbally, 2 violent

i Stalinist. He is married and has three {children}, theee by one wife,

————

has one illegitimate and several others. He is very active sexually.

a
He is/very handsome fellow and has a great deal of success with girls.
doing

Be earns his living as a graphic designer. He worked for Hachette ssurimg

a

layouts for them, until the great Sinet Massacre scandal, when Mat,
de Gaulle finally took umbrage at this. He and Sinet vere the téwo car-
{ toonists who put this out, aad
, Gtrerkort can draw, as ve11))
Yes. In those things I gave you you will see cartoons by Strekkoff.

cartoonist, -
i Be is essentially an artist, though nopne ever printed his cartoons before

o~
=
—
»

mo

| he ran into Sinet because they were considered just too tiimgurting-<--
\} 60 disgusting for Fpepiica tin « He is really the acolyte, if you
will, of Sinet. And any success, any money that he has conesf to him
through Sinet. He is Sinet's man, and Sinet passes on work to hin.

They sort of pass around girls to each other aad that sort of thing. pee “
He does, neverkheless, count for a certain amount in the magazine. Ho did
count, because he was considered-reasonably disinterested. That is,
be wasn't concerned very much about money. He lives very poorly, with ;

Speetet his wife and children,and has made far more sacrifices than

ALY
Binetbut he is, very loyal, I was galing to say, a faithful retainer,
of Sinet's. I think that would sum him up. His loyalty is to Sinet and

not to Verges.

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~ [tb
((mnat are his principal types of contact outside of))

~~ eo

‘
‘| Be doesn’t have any contacts outside of. His contacts are mainly oa
t 2

body to body with girls. Is terms of politics, he didn’t like the idea
Paw
that perhaps Ghen was deeply involved with Trotskyism, that sort of thing,
f a Coals. ound lnwoe !
_(put that was just™small calibre (7), his scruples ».~4 poo. He wanted t
-’ ’ t
r * . 4
; | to keep it golng. He was very sawbews anti-Chinese in the sense that he :
t eS .
: didn‘t think that the magazine should accept any Chinese money if the
i Chinese were willing to give it, the reason for this being that he thinks '
|
' 7
| i this, which of course he and Sinet are very much inbrested ia.
| \(qe's a literary liberal, then- »)
: Yes, in terms of the arts, he would be. He doesn't care much for
abstract art,bet wees ge eas RD tbo. 2s ; a
|

- \
(out he's not a party liner))
I. alee exes. tthe  ashetay . u RERE eR ee eee ~ ARE tigate -

a :
‘ that, ‘should have a “tres fhand in the arts, and so forth, jazz and all |

water.

By no means. A forner Communist, but he wasn't expelled. He also just
withdrew.
;x (ar his parents vere enigres from Russia, I assume this would have 4
| been in the tuesties, on) le Lie). |
ie Yes, in the twenties, just before he was born. .. because of their
x | Trotskyist leaning, I suppose they were members of the Trotskyist factiony :
W of the Sovit Communist party at that time.
(qo you know whether they were expelled or left voluntarily)
t

I don't know. I think they left voluntarily, but that’s just supposition.
I think he nontioned something about it. I think that they really fakdx
| Wiuwekgesaets fled ehead of the Sovbet police, the Cheka- - he's Jewish,

\

and maybe some of his relativesy did end up in Soviet concentration

: camps. I think he still has sone living relatives (in Russia) yes, because
: be was one of the cheb de chalttfor, construction foreman, ia the final
. ~——~—~“exposition wx.
stages of the French axpesttienxtaxiaze Moscow That was in 61 or 62.
~ There ue he met sone Hf his relatives.

~ Cente he made other trips to the Soviet patos) )

I think he has made two trips. imt One was with the French exposition,
a ve was there before and I think throughout the expodtion, putting it up
and so on. He is very conpéésnt alas a designer, a little bit lazy = -

but-other-thak-that--—— he tries to get other people to do his work for hin
af he can, just as Sinet passes it on to him he tries to pass it on to

others. Where money is concerned he is not terribly scrupulous but

pleor et f Neer ben 7 frcese yy

he’s not money hungry. © ‘His weakness is women. Very much 80. He shocked
3! RRC ee vod 22 St SEE

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’ to meet (7) : .
ustmf{2} they couldn't keep up (with it). i |

{ (Did Sinet bring him to kausunzskx Revolution),
Sexwxz Yes. He was delegated to do the work of the English edition.

en
7
st
;

Sinet coulda't do it and this was before the Freee! edition# was started
. in France, so it was Strelkoff who did it. He cane to Lausanne for a couple
of days to do the layout& and so on, Theo he found someone in Lausanne,
then major
a Swiss grpphic artist, sex ~comperaial-artiat, who,dtd the pukn part of
ra ’
the work. Strelkoff came to oversee it.
That's about all there is about him.It's not very much, really.

He's not very activie politically. His life centers around females, jazz,

TOON -+ —enemieatmemmnnenprae cee

Bight clubs. He would get drunk occasionally. He shares Sinet'’s tastes
there - and women. — .
ein Based ee a wi Of

Now after Chen, Oxwsutl and Sinet and streikor?, you have really
“eles i . /resened. the end of thosdditorial.statfx.as such. There,.was an O48 LOPAB A geese ge: ‘

board which was a fiction. It had names of people like Babu on it. Babu
—

saw Verges actually twice. He never contributed anything to the magazine |

excere one interview which I didwith him,@ in Geneva, when he was at the
\ Us 6 on frade, Bevelopment.
((@pabu's biographic details are well enough known but how did he cone
to get involved in Revolution in the first place. »)
—
, vile Ph tmleahss
/ He was suggested by henia-Pombeta, Denis-Donbere—te now the delegate
from Tanzania to the UN. Kes se epetled-with—au-h;—Phomtentt.
pedis Phombeah is a former student - he's a Tanzanian diplomat nov,
He is Tanganyikan by birth. Ho was the secretary of the Committee of
African Organizations here in London for a number of years. This was a
Ghana-subsidized attempt to group together panda unify all of the various
African ae lone
i A national groups.He's married to a girl by the nane of - She is
H #
a Jewish girl from London. Her parents also former -leftists. Bue she is
ee
very much anti-Communist. Dennis has very close ties with the British

Communistugt party. He was a member of their African student coumittes.*)

ewe nn.

They had a committee headed by a women named Kay Beaucham /geachan oho
~~ the task of ie
vas dolegated/\to sort of watch. “OVOr the African students”, aand they

DGrnes hens brad,

didn't have very much success. But Dennis was able to milk then; the = 4
‘ 4

-; Ghana Government, by getting a subsidy, plus he bad direct ties with

the Soviets. He was a graduate student at Moscow University under Professor
| Ten Prtwke Patekhin (rip? Now

; “Peteckiy” He ig now dead, as you know, he was the head of their African mm

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studies department. He was getting his doctorate. I think it was Bt
“Aantkhopology,’ I don't know exactly. But he was one of the: very fev; persons...

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getting a doctorate in Moscow while sitting in London, and his wife spent
most of her tine writinghis thesis. He would tell her, “now read this .
book and tell me what it says" and then "work this into my general cigs.

He had very little tine. He also had some connections with the Chinese

and bad been to Peking, when I don't know, and had been invited to go to

Peking lastsummer. He managed to keep from getting there. I suppose he :
felt that it he went> * asa go to Moscow on several. occasions, ‘eorenseny |

it was to see Prof. potedyn-fhat was just before Patents death.

The Zanzibar revolution’is a year old, to it was before the Xanzibar
Revolution Rascuau-early last year, must—heve-been-tanezrzh. I saw hin
last at Orly Airport when he vast -

‘come through ° Cosine cavent-weote-icier on his way to Moscow. He took

the Air France flight and he had an hour to kill in Paris, and I went out... |

ae ara tenn

= re

to the airport and saw him. He gave mexfzensxpintuess photos of Zanzibaré

| ~<A(vou hid "kiown he was as Cobtag)):
Sf Yes. They told me. This was for the magazine. Some of the photos
ra rw Pretty bad photos.
that later appeared vere the photos he brought. They were all one could get.
Then he took the Air France flight to Warsaw and Moscow. When he care
| back of course,although he was Tanganyikan, Babu knew him and faa strong
confidence in him and eg appdnted him adviser to the Zanzibar High Com

mission here in London. The Commissioner, who had been one of the Sultan's

.<
. nen had left. There had been a Civil Serznzt by the nane of Omar, Omar
| \ se asthe hie intim Cows stm
i 5 Zoran, who remained. He said he didn't want to los his pension,, revolution
‘

A

or no revolution. He didn’t know much about revolutions. Ia fact, he was

a

very touching, because he asked us could we suggest books that he could
read about revolutions. He was a time server. While he was quite usefal

\\se Dennis was put in as a sort of watchdog. ;
uatibabu arrived,
When the Geneva Conference cane up, Dennis was there 4...

as the First Secretary, nevertheless Babu coulda't trust hin.&

deheguiax as ~~~
| Belveewak, the chief d._gate, frum Zanzibar. In fact, he had everybody
» a
{ smuiptogates sitting in as delegates, I sat in as a delegate from a
. He Gad “it dew, 3 weet wut.
Zanzibar for a few minutes without even knowing i Hae ma to goeut.
“flat wee theAL.
j\ Somebody came up and took my photograph. I assumed N bat I was either being
photographed by the CIA or by the State Department or the Soviet side .,
Prrtattay
aux or,| both.
Cosa you ever see the product)) on.

prs A
io No. I assume it was for | eee consumption. There was an East German

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. ahedale een tee (say
{ atOF press purposes, He wanted to take portratts of 211 the Africans.
He got their nazes. He had a tremendous file there.

(laughing) ,7 And he also had a wire-shoto machine which worked right outs

of his studio. He did Phombeah and another Yel icy while I was there.
i “Anyway, Phombeah was known to Verges. He may have met him when Verges
. was in the Ty, taternational Union of Students, in Prague. He was tie <
: VicePresident. There are four vice presidents. Verges was one of thom.
/ As I said, when we were in Algeria, we had this wonan Rog gna Ainslie
as our correspondent here. When there came the blow-up- there was

Phombeah~ - be knew Rosaljnd Aindlée and was giving her political advice.

Coumunist Party, although theoretically he is not 2 senber of the party.

| In other words, he was muchhigher up in the hierarchy of the British
| That I don't know. fiz’ -- But she certainly accepted what he said/

| se to a great extent. But he was-gebg vith everyone. So. whenshe coased
‘ to wor tor us he agreed to work, for £50 a month, but rot to have his
N “however, I'm certain that Baby, {unis was before the revolution? I'm

! certain that Babu will be willing.” He sent a cuime cable to him and
| -
| ‘got a reply which was favorable. Babu then turned up in Paris and London.
i He was at the Labor Party congress at Scarborough. On his way back to
j -
Africa from that congress he stopped in Paris and that was his meeting
\ with Verges.
thea
. He told Verges 2it%m: He said "we will be in power within six to eight
after independence"
| weeks xznxikudneentemtet And of course he was. And really that shocked
7 Verges, ¥ergps to see sowsabody who really knew what he Ed would do.
‘ Also Babu- - very strange in that he doesn’t dress well at all. He looks
i very sloppy. Beubentexpckiexuets
| ~Lsavadeimenext. We both saw him Rext, atrerthe UN conrerence, the
Geneva Conference. He cane to Paris with the Omar character who xs is
still here. I saw he was presented to the Queen not too long ago. And

his so-called Chef de Protocol, who just happened to be a boy who could

wed .
- ‘, tab lr fay
by the name of Betti, her Iast name, and I suspect, although I am not
certain, that she is Laura Betti, who is a well-known Italian actress
fasselini, iene
and the alleged mistress of Pierref Paolo Passaly the film director, He
was the man who made Accatonia and just made the Gospel According to St.

Matthew ‘which got a big prize and all that. He is a homosexual and so it

4
& _sspeak French which was a convenience. He also came with an Italian girl
‘
v

is a very strange sort of relationship. She was supposed to be a menber |

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wavenes
eran ereres

Nenni Socislists. I don't know if she has gone with the PSIUP, pespie :
the new 2eft split, or not. I tried to get more information about her
in Rome but I couldn‘t just walk in and say “weren't you the girl I {pad -i-

“found in bed with Babu". She speaks English well and she spent a considerable

amount Ors tine an Geneva with hin and came to Paris with hin.
{ (' aa A

4
his tine as a mutual funds salesman. x Murray was based in Geneva. I

suspect a. he also was supplying girls.
murzy was also in contact with and introduced Babu to a man by
the nano of Victor Herbert, who is an Anerican Mutual Funds salesman.

Gu ty ie.

Be used to be,’ with ors, Overseas Investment Service, in Geneva, which is

, | the biggest American overseas fund J rua by. a man by the name of
i: = Gornfell -

; Bernie @anfs Cornbelt¢?). Exactly what this curious crowd was do’ ne

AP Tet

|.94th Babu-there in Geneve I don't'knows murray" Qolro then Tater™

—_ -

| told stories which were not quite true of a man who was going around

the Hotel Intercontinental in Geneva knocking on doors saying pa ae

Le

“are you a Poreign Minister?" "Yes" “ Well, I want to invest $# Sates?

in your country. Which country cexekx do you come fron.” Now worray £o¢i%s

Nalow «@ Encounter
story is different. He told (iiss, bos ytemeeninnton that someone

came and said, “I'm from the CIA. Here's a gold watch and I'11 give

8 sake,
you $50,000 if you'll work for us.” (mo are you)) Yes, who are you? "eats

Despite some of the curious antics I heard of with Cubans, I can’t

eee een mnenn een ee

believe anybody vould get that way. And besides, Babu vas very 8 anused

by the man vho did come. And he didn't get a vatch. Be told me that he'd

‘oe pew neeee ae

' gotten ‘a camera from the West Germansy# once. They said "don't recognize

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UUpricht and we'll give you this lovely camera.” Of course they had
} already made a deal with Bast Germany. we

~ « mat was Victor Herbert's rolpin all this?))
“1 suspect that they were trying to invest money, that was all.
The thing which interests me about all of this is that Babu, despite the
fact he is a revolutionary, and a very competent one, I think, he has other

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Ponce +e Bee fad
o- — = Shorckexxthutxuhaxtaxtusyreentedxtexx .
. One, he is very much interested in women. Two, he drinks heavily.
NN Money, which is exteenely scarce in Zanzibar like post Places in the » world,
a a eo wet
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is of great interest to him. He also wemgm told ue that he had informed

the Chinese that he was going to carry out the coup and the Chinese were

opposed to it. They went ahead anyway. They thought it was an adventure.
- [hart Chae soe tthe haf dekeh hal oKes., oie ° .
Then afterwards-——" ‘since you were ‘thie to do *y is that what he told your)

?
He was also with wurray 36115 G4.-) an Australian who spent moat of ben’

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Yes, that’s what he told Vergest and me. flail, Pas vinitver pHaak,

Phombeah brought in Babu. Babu had no real connection with the magazine

oo tT

i except on these two occasions. He gave me an interview thich was pristed
in the last issue - in both issues of Revolution, and that was all.

‘ Then he went off to Indonesia. That's history. The merger bas being made
between Tanganyika and Zanzibar and it was pamsig partially behind his
back although he knew that it was going to go on and he was not at all

: opposed. He felt that it was.g a good thing, We found it difficult to
iy understand why he felt it was a good thing, but he thought that gh in
ny
ae

Tanganyfika the chaos was 60 great and the lack of defined goals, the
(gro
lack of abilitycabe gapacity to satisfy the gGawing needs of the masses
community.
there would be such that the Indians seasmnnkekixxemumunkkigs which had its

hand on the iv business”and also the’big-¢iup fibre plantations and ~
what-not were an especially vulnerable target group; thet ngerece,

despite 1 ail of his humanism and his “Catholic religion wouldn’ t be able. “
to put up auch resistance. I think he was quite right. That's what
happened. That is, Zanzibar whieh is taking over Tanganyik into Tanzaaia,
There was a struggle between Babu and Handa, but that seemed to calm down ;

| to a great extent. I think that's over now. I've heard different things.

‘I don't know.

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Kok’
One of the things that this fellow Curtis Cabe of the Atlantic monthly “

Neem tinins tien nS eee ae carne = ee teem oe eR =e EINER

J proposed to do - he has more proposals than he has ‘dollars- unfortunately,

ig that we try to go to Zanzibar. No one has even done any (reporting) _
° ¥| eally Cof any particular note
i I probably could get in. No one/has written anything about Zanzibar, since

| the revolution. Don't know whether that is possible or not.
L Kanzibar
(mere was a great deal of noise at the time of the\revolution about

Babu's relationship with {% Aiden | Ee ones 5
7 Well, yes, it's true he has worked for them. And after he inforzed

vou

| them of what he was going to do, they — —_—_ -_ - =
| that was about two or three days before the revolution, They had givea
| him a small amount of mon but sot much. . it wasn't their money
| - - the Zanzibar revolution, be beca use be Was ¢ Gut “of ‘the country at the tine.
1 Beknew what gust be done. But for instance, the bringing in of- - the
2 fellow - - Ckello which was an incredible thing to do.

h t the former police corporal from @ Uganda. I have the feeling that

H _ be was by no means all powerful , that it was a coalition of forces,

| ‘ tee revolutiol+was pores in the sense that the overshulming majority

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which had long had a standing grudge against that and saw no way of

doing away with, but obviously they weren't all as left as Babu.
Osman made
You had for instance Othmen Sharif, who may be" Ambassador to United States.

a het PR, oe a ee
“bain etdane Qa uy nels Ataseador “go Keep him out of Tanganyika, He was

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going to be here in London, 1 think ke vas the High Commissioner in
London, for a very short period of time. And then when the merger came,
it was the Tanganyikan High Commissioner who represented the merged
countries with Quar Zoran still staying on as the secretary, we3gceitn

7
Phombeah going to @araex the UN where he had been in Geneva at one potat)

7
now in New York; “Smartt going to Washington
(ana was recently recalled),
Yes. aharif's position is extremely shaky, but they really dislikes
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him greatly, ae because he is the head of the Stexettt they couldn't
strike hin down right away. What they wanted to do really was to put him
in a position where he would finally be bought out. They figured that he

would go over to the Western side. One day or the other he would jump.

And that's the way of getting rid of him- without them having to do anything.

That's one reason he was sent to Washington. They thought that after a
while he would. .

(K80 much for Babu, Now onthe Board) »)

Now we have é Mulana Bashani- - he is a Pakistani. Dennis Hhombeah
was unable to continus his work. He was unable really to do anything.

Ho was just collecting £60 a month. The reason that he did absolutely

nothing was that the actual work was done by a Pakistani naned -HEata Alayin—

Hanga Alavi a former secretary, Third Secretary ‘or something, Of the
Pakistan National Bank. He is a Marxist)” “doubt that he is actually a rember
of the, Communist party. He cones frou/the Ismagli Spct_ Moses Sects, and
his fanily is extremely weteth wealthy and has holdings ia oy Fanganyitay as
fibre plantation. He also has relatives in Zanzibar. When he‘was asked by —
Dennis Phombeah to go to Zanzibar to help straighten out their balance
of payments problems, which he wanted to do, his family told him that if
be did he'd never come back to them, since they had lost some money, He
5S Crsuslon School 7 Seontmees)
is a great friendz of Ralph Milleband of LRE here. He is ah academic «
is has contacts with Trotskyist groups. His contacts with the British
Communist party are not very good. He is very easy going, a rather soft
personality. He is by no means 100% or even 50% pro-Chinese. In fueti-
particular because he doesn't approve of Chinese support for President

Ayub This led to his replacement finally.

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Yes, that's what he told Vergest and ne. fatal, Yar unenbwe pHi,

Phombeah brought in Babu. Babu had so real connection with the magazine
except on these two occasions. He gave me an interview which was printed
in the last issue - in both issues of Revolution, and that was all.

Then he went off to Indonesia. That's history. The serger was betug nade
between Tanganyika and Zanzibar and it was pausky partially behind hia
back although he knew that it was going to go on and he was not at all
opposed. He felt that it was.g a good thing. We found it difficult to
understand why he felt it was a good thing, but he thought that gh in
Tangany@ika the cpace was so great and the lack of defined goals, the
lack of ability, the eapacity to satisfy the jaawiog needs of the masses
there would be such that the Indians conaanbeitxunsanenktten which had its

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what-not were an 65 dally vulnerable ta t ou
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; despite “all of hist hunenisn and his Catholic religion wouldn't be able

to put up such resistance. I think he was quite right. That's what
happened. That is, Zanzibar whieh is taking over Tanganyikt into Tanzania.
] There was a struggle between Babu and Handa, but that seemed to calm dovn L
to a great extent. I think that's over now. I've heard different things.
I don't know.
Kote. ”
One of the things that this fellow Curtis Cabe of the Atlantic monthly r
! proposed to do - he has more proposals than he has dollars- unfortunately,
4 ig that we try to go to Zanzibar, No one has even done any (reporting) _
a really Cof any particular note”
I probably could get in. No one/has written anything about Zanzibar, slace
the revolution. Don't know whether that is possible or not.
Sanzibar
™ (mere was a great deal of noise at the tine of the revolution about
Babu's relationship with Kas Lideng A, wewA row d
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---~~- --7 them of what he was going to do, they — —_— _ =
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which had long had a standing grudge against that and saw no way of

doing away with, but obviously they weren't all as left as Babu.
Osman made
_ You had ny instance Othmen Sharif, who may be'Ambassador to United States.

“bo wnin ction ushe armen AyAaseaddon': “Eo SRS nid Gut of Tanganyika, ‘He vas
going to be here in London, 1 think ke was the High Commissioner in
London, for a very short period of time. And then when the merger cane,
it was the Tanganyikan High Commissioner who represented the merged

countries,with Omar Zoran still staying on as the Secretary, teéeetth

4
p Phombesah going to Gunuex the UN where he had been in Geneva at one point)
| nov in New York,’ Sharif going to Washington
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Sucsang Commun i Se Bey
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aides an $A RE LARS EES ae

strike him down right away. What they wanted to do really was to put him H
in a position where he would finally be bought out. They figured that he |
would go over to the Western side. One day or the other he would jump.

And that's the way of getting rid of him- without them having to do anything,
That's one reason he was sent to Washington. They thought that after a

while he would. .

Now we have KK Mulana Bashani- - he is a Pakistani. Dennis Fhonbeah

| (80 much for Babu. Now onthe Board))

i was unable to continee his work. He was unable really to do anything.
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He was just collecting £60 a month. The reason that he did absolutely
nothing was that tho actual work was done by a Pakistani named ‘Hee Aw

et

Hanga Alavi a former secretary, Third Secretary or something, Of the :

Vpn “one of i
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x Pakistan National Bank. He is a Marxists” doubt that he ig actually a meuber
a of the, Countunist party. He comes from/the Ismagli Sget_ Moslem Sects, and
be his family is extremely weteth wealthy and has holdings in pTanganyikayay
| fibre plantation, He also has relatives in Zanzibar. When he was asked by
Dennis Phombeah to go to Zanzibar to help straighten out their balance '
of payzents problems, which he wanted to do, his family told him that it
he did he'd never come back to them, since they had lost some money. ~ i 7
is a great friends of Ralph Mil lepand of ibe Gers Te 8 academic « a
sn has contacts with Trotskyist groups. His contacts with the British
Communist party are not very good. He is very easy going, a rather soft , j

i personality. He is by no means 100% or even 50% pro-Chinese. In fzeti-

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Verges wanted somebody from Pakistan oa the board, Hejsatd "I's j .
certain that the Mulana Bashani Kaho will agree”.

(crnat would be Mulana Abdul Hamid Bashant))

That's right. He's sometimes called Kein as a title of respect. |
He's a 70 or 80 years-old man. He's called the zed Mullah,sort of like
the Red Dean of Canterbury.- |
C He's the leader of one of the East Pakistan parties. He had Don to Chine j
j and was quite pro-Chinese. He was more than willing. But he had absolutely |
no contact whatever with the magazine.
| & Cosa he cone in to replace Haxa iar) -
Yes. ;

: | we C (How long did Hanga Alavi vork with the inguin) war oe i “fe

You would have to check the iseuegy of the English edition. He was

OEE ee SeCTERR EO - see saci ey ie..  Rep re egegericandste. -
ARSE aha there ‘aati 1siightly before we “dropped # Rosalind iasiée. That would be RP

May of 63, right up to gring of 64.

+ pia namsa Alavi do anything actually )or—dtd-be—just-

found
Hey got manuscripts and so on. He actually did the work that Phombeah

| never did. £ But that was all. And it was sort of contre coeur with hin
| because he did not agree with ene thing. He had the idea that the magazine

sort o ;
| was axnemmont open forum,/; ros ostrum for thm debate between ,

all sorts of revolutionary movements. But when it Decame very obvious

2 ee cetera eRe a ee ee

j that Verges wanted # to oe at that time, at least, to stay with the
I ‘ iz +} tot re rw
‘© Chinese line, MA it particularly d,s, ca i xhia feelings about the
/

situation in Pakistan and he waan't happy. Also on the question of India,

le felt that the Chinese position vis-a-vis India wasn't just,and he . He
i . i
, didn't like the hook-upt betueca-Paktetunt the wéiiieg” ? friendship :
and actual solidarity between Pakistan and China,

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I doubt if he has any at all. He is very active here in London
with Pakastani groups. ke has money. His wife"s family has money, his

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own fanily bas. It wasn't a question of money for hin. | 1 ge
(us he continued to be active in AfrdeAsian things)) {
He's an acadenic, #@2exx The Socialist Register published last year by

~— an article on Imperialism by him. He is active around

‘ the London School of Economics. He is known to the academic Left, friends

ns eS
mop yeti Sapte 1 REC we op Caring ff BSS

; V with the boys who do Left Review and so on. His only practical work, would
| ‘be working vith Pakistani groups, ‘Or instance during the last election Hie

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, ip the hope of breaking the Labor vote, hoping that the Pakistanis would

Ay

4 “
: the Tories ran in several constituencies Pakistani independent candidates i
~ vote for these Pakistani independents. Hansa worked with the Labor Party

: i in those constitueaciesy to counter this; asd_apteremtiy they were quite i
“. guccessfu}. He has very good connections inside the Labor Party}f. And
he does not have very good ties at all with the Communist Party, though
he is not by any means anti-Communist. He's a skeptic.
(Gow about Bashant)) :
He has never done anything. Never heard from hin except once when he
wakx said we could put his name on the board. As far as I know there has

never been any contact.

epee — ememenemenane eenmne =:

ae kno they get paid for this)).. cetera aeRO... sole Set ad
Xo.
oS ERE he eo ELS ke oe te Suga tebe eheneee cn rhe We cee RES hie ohieay ee.
aii “ES wext is Hassan wk. He is ®: Amir, He is an official of the ti

; ¢ with headquarters in Dakar
" Bconomic Commission for Africa, UN economic adviser in Dakar, He has a

very high position inthat. He is Egyptian, a full member of the Egyptian |
feels, he has a theory about the role of bureaucracy in under-developed |
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| | Communist Party with very very pronounced Trotskyist views. That is, he

| countries ~ the progressive and reactionary bureaucracy- ‘$8 fits iato
general Trotskyist theories but applied there. He has done work on ;

Egypt, state capitalism in Egypt. A book of his fublished recently by ’

L,

dt t
RY Chtcon deo Minuit a :
¥ Setver—Bie-o———=— jin Paris, part of which appeared in Revolution. Sone

Ia |
of it was 60 obviously Trotskyist that Chea, despite his somewhat partial
agreement with parts of tt felt that it was too obvious even to print
in Revolution. He only comes through Paris occasionaly. His main interest

he eenenenmeenne nT S .
3 in REvolution is getting his things printed. He is very interested in
——recnen
having his things published. He is very cynical about many of the African
} States. His article on Senegal appeared recently in Revolutinn, in French, ;
nets .
id I think in No. 12. It was written under a psegdonym by-him and based on . To
{ .
‘ , the UN Economic Commission for Africa research , stuff that he couldn't :
: Like et __
: gay in his official putvkieekinn capacity. (Reeadonge} Lajatie,’ yes.
i He is not overly pro-Chinese. He feels that the Chinese philosophical
‘ position isn’t quite adequate, the ideietoi ideological model isn't ; :
adequate for under undeveloped countries, certainly for Africa . |
C@o you know him- How old is ne))
Yes I know him. He is in his thirties. About 35. Married. He is Egyptian.
feranet?
He is anti-Nasser really. He feels that the Egyptian Communist Part#nas*-

«spa EES ae PRR eth ar ak.

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8 concentration camps where they were held putting out secret clandestine

“ tracts supporting Nasser, which wae the craziest thing I've ever heard.

Because iow they've been liberated g- in fact the old Communists are now

being given very high organizational posts in the new Egyptian Party, dud

fy Communism ““Harkion 48 as ‘extraneous to Arab socialism bet they
: nveftceta? peuple au & Use tusm ln tiGie. Aad ths group that are under
Soviet influence are perfectly willing to go along with thisf’,
t 2 (1s he pro-anything in Egeypt)) ' L-
X No, I think that he is sort of resigned to tndSrents of histtury. He
( analyzes what he considers state capitalist developments, the rise of a new

bureaucratic middle class, the officer class and he tries to show in his
‘writings how the officer olass has crushed the old land-owntag Vatdiat....
as,

went oie neg Wane rea
ruling class which had its links with British ‘and French | financial

f! *y

J interests, and has. now consolidated.iteelf in. Pomere wad ti there: 3a-arcertain®..
social mobility, but for them only. In other words, how limited it is and

the officer caste certain 4 % gd. gia nn bat atill the

problem of the masses remains.

(Goes he concern himself very much witytne state of Egypt?)

From an academic point of view only. He's more academic. He's not even
particularly comerned wih revolution. If you want his address . . nef<bere.
is "How who de we have- Marcos Ferrer- fuat's Colombia, I don't xnow
f anything about tt. It probably stands for Dr. Leiva eee ine ake
z IN Paris. He is a Colombian doctor the representative in Paris of the

E ?
MOaC. He is the one who conducted negotiations with Verges for a Spanish

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Peeters

-Pemnde Frene
Franny, Ginwalla, next on the list, is a member of the India Congress

edition in Colombia. I asstue Marcos Ferrer YO XSO to be a B prondonym,
for South Africa, She was a correspondent of Revolution in Dar es Salaan
|

and she published a magazine called Spearhende until she was expalled fron

tse Tangfayike under a cloud and accused of being a Western spy. The accusations
é were not made openly. She was known to have contacts with the Feetern.

West German Embassy. She received West German money from the Carl Ebert

|

Foundation and actually printed West German propaganda in the her magazine.
She had gone to West Germany and done this so obviously that “Fate
she couldn't have been very sophisticated about it because it was just too

Cope, She was accused, of having told—the—-Soviet Embassy of having offered

: to carry information for the Soviet Embassy, voluatesringf as #-Cowsuniat,
a South African Communist, to give them information, two-thirds of which

_ turned out to be totally useless and false, which again might pave, bdka.to-

= - ingratiate herself. <>3—-She-sorke She was here in London “after She wan

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i expelled, I'm not certain of the exact dates. She was alge known to have

} ‘ slept around with alnmunt every Minister of the Tanganyikan government
; le
' «nc luting Julius Nyerere. This is one of the reasons why there was so much

i

hushhush about her, that she had obviously gotten a lot of information out
of these fellows. She was very close to Oscar Keabona and she claimed that
Oscar Bamvona was going to get her back into tha Foreign Ministry.

She was just Revolution’s corregpondent there. She did practically
nothing. When she got out, phe managed to keep her little office going.
j | They didn't seize anything, and she turned over thesailing list of her

' Spearhead _ for a
Amagazine to Revolution. Verges had paid her £1000 = a, deposit soxuex she

{

| could do some work but she reallyatdn't do anything, but she,unlike
Rosal{od Ainslie, turned over the unspent portion of that to Verges when
she cane to London aaa She wasn't interested really "dn continuing her
work. with Revolution, Being Indian of course posed a probler

RTM ATR SE, SESE SR aS Plein i
for her vith anything to do with the Chinese. she was very close to the

area A

Indian conmunity, 4s anyone who looks through that mailing list will see
: s
' ole
we have lots of nissionaly Indian businessiesss, and so forth in Bast
_ Africa, who were taking subscriptions to the magazine more or less out

1
of friendship and solidarity with another Indian. They didn't caremuch :

|

’ whether she was a Communist or not. :
: She was supposed to have been the mistress of Dr. Dadu. At least Gly.

1

7 they say she slept with Dr. Dadu and they had a very close reiationshipg

1 @ very important member. BRcause THERE -thertectang hevs holdings

\e Indian communitg has holdings up and down East Africa, Mozambique

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South Africa and a member of the Cosmunist Party/ of South Africa, i
2 . 4
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as well, their role in the liberation struggle is very equivocal . i

menaced “Lam

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{ lagemtnng SF,
ing - #64" well—— oppg Africanization "peant tothe -TERES, ‘Thdianse

abt

Obviously the Africans want to go ahead while the Tankeds Indians are think —
| 4
qT {
“Ene English used then as a sort of buffer, , preferred to bring an Indian ; j
i

clerk to East Africa rather than to train an African. That was-a typical

which is untenable, for a long period. You know people talk about multi-~ . .

racial states but in Bast Africa it is a joke. It won’t hold up. I don’t

think it will, anyway. - !

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(athe Tadian Congress of South Africa is related to the African National
Congress, Ave Gotored people's ¢ congress, all of this ina so-called
Congress Alliance, She had. contacts” with the Africang- the ANB people.
fhe ANC people here in London, They, sore suspicious of her, as—veit,

But she managed somehow to get back ing phe was 111, she was in
hospital Ste-was. hurtin an auto accident, and she had to have a very

complicated bone operation » That put her out of action for some tine.

I don't know, but I heard that she is now back in Tanganyika,

She may well be. She has quite a bit of money; ler family has money.
Of course the Indians do have money. She did very little for the magazine.

She occasionally told me about people in the AN who might do something

for the magazine. But nost of the people she told ne abut vere menbers

ef the South African Coiisibist Party. That party has taken a pro-ioscow

stand and most of its Pe ae don’ t want fo $9 ) anything for. Reyolution,.... —- poston
though we" ‘aid’ “have articles ah aryan punk“ another South African Communist.
That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-Soviet conflict.
And there is a struggle going on right now inside of the ANC.

That's a long complicated thing. That has nothing to do with Revolutin,

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ora
on my list here we have Diallo)

~~ an .
Diallo is aa adviser 6f the President of Mali- -whet!e-hig—hine-—=

_ -

Hodewa Keida..
vy mS “
Woarried to a French voman, te | Leftist, he knows Verges through friendship
and offered to help. He pat hin in. contact vuth _  —_--—-_--————- Zz
fia

om Chou em Lai visited Mali, you recally that he got quite “ “7,

who is Minister of Information, who ta very, very pro-Chinese,

tted. There were some gratuitous, open handed flaps ~~

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‘There 8 nO le -jyst knew hin. ;
C musa_tn again one-of-Yorgee_attonpte-to-bave-i-Tiiguy-tu-another ivi. African -o
~comtrr thas) ote

Q I didn't mention, with Phompoeah, one of the reasons that he kept
/ bh:

ombeah was fhoubeah's connection with Odinga, sf in Kenya.
Phombeah at one 1 time had hoped to be made the secretary of this new
OT sp Ite at
Lumumba Institute there, ‘&m Nairobi. Verges, odd as it may seem, had at
one time, proposed himself as a sort of security adviserfto Odinga.
We felt that he continued to pay Dennis Phombeah for doing nothing
mainly to keep a Line of communication open to Odinga. He had met Odinga .:

of ee

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— “hl . Hl
4 -— ~ President of Mali, ;
| ‘| wefan Keita. uaz Married to a Prench woman. Leftist.
nows Verges through friendshi Gy fe .
4 gh fr end Scontact St eeanag to hel He put hin
Tats “Yo Megoiege Cs)

who is Minister of Information, "eho is very very en fe.Meali,
—>
H ssa when Chou en Lai visited Mali you recall that he got quite ea committed ”
welcomes im Mali. And there were some gratuitous open-handed slaps
the Russians made. Didn't have to be made but were.
(now did Verges and Diallo get together))
I don't know. He had known him for a considerable tine. There

is nothing very much. This is again one of Verges's attempts to have a

Phombeah was Phosbeah’s connection with Odinga.

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Zinger in another African country. One of the reasons that he kept
er ra ae

ies eS Coa ;
FD vant pte meee

es os: + passa re - SEE - “Sede
Piece. apy Reena . 5 Egan AR AP “eM wei “kG MYA SERRE. RAR NIE
sy BREF : MiSs ES .

“Oy ha ume te

If in Algiers he was referred to as Le Chinois, I don't think Gdimga

wou accept hin.
This is a real problem. He says, “well, we colored people and so forth"

and it is true that he is part - he's Eurasian, but it is very hard for

Africans to accept tod. ., They just put him down as Chinese.
I don't know very much about aaa Diallo. He played very little role
y in the Hagazine except that he was a contact (el of Mali . He cane to
i France early last year, the spring of last year({ with his wife. He vent

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Q. to Vichy for his health and drank the waters for two or three veeks/

! and he saw Verges. Verges had ideas, Bad mentioned to Chea that it he

! couldn't keep the magazine gchg tat he might go to Mali.  Ghen was

: going to be sent off to wherever, 1 Viriato da Cruz of the Angolan Federation

| of Liberation, as adviser, and I was gol ng to be sent to Indonesia por
the Afro-Asian jeswgax Journalists. That was how he was going to take care

: ‘of everybody. . :

> ‘qiow about Castro Da siiva) 7

Castro Da Silva is the peeudonym used for Viriato da la_Cruzy formerly

of the MPLA, and now of the UPAP . He is a poet, again, | m tite thirties, |

married, has a child and is based mre or less m Algiers. He has virtually

ao money at all. He has a small group which went into the UPA. a |

Holda Roberto, the head of the UPA is very suspicious of him. but

nevertheless he needs hin. He needs the Left. He has been to Chiza ¢

and this give hin a sort of I, fm gives the Chinese, a a guarantee, | but on the

ee Bees

ae © “\ ‘other hand the Chinese didn't even want to ‘give Viriato money to transfer

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: binself from Algiers to Brazzaville. And be was threatesed by the MPLA
| people, who are of course Sovierbacked to the hilt, in fact more se.

A
Dr. Neto, ape, more than ever nov. And the Algéwians, Ben Bella,
who had supported the MPLA up until the great fiasco when people discovered

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that they didn't have what they claized to pave Sidisk dente afin have
Vv
given their support to the UPA. Nevertheless, the MPLA people still

remain and they are promising to reform and really carry out things.
ideologically
one think that logeezity the MPLA is much more congenial to the Algerians

all of the -
prgen — x hard revolutionary liney people,
Holden Roberto is considered to be an American agent pure and simple
a Te

and always has been. In actual fact, he received a lot of money through
missiomry groups,
various Protestant missionary groups, American Protestant siesiomrics.

kialds ‘hiisgelf is a Christian Protestaat. These tie-ups have: “Helped the:

Rightists to back him. He did go off to China Yael Ferece, ve Falla Pe
a oT aoe Siete Af ort tie moat, EE é es Testi: os foe
ich. ‘the Chinese were pleased with. _

< the Chinese } haven' t made any real decisive choice between the MPLA and the

ied

— AS NNER nnn ere eee

ators aes oa,

Sea eegig

UPA. They're just waiting to see who is going to be able to produce.
lomat about da CruzJt What is his function),

He has no function except to write articles about Angola, which he
has done, one of which he signed with his own name. He has very little
money and he hoped that Verges would be able to smooth the way with the

<I understa ad,-
Chinese, but alas! poor fellow, he learnt to his horror, that Verges

presumed
was by no means the Chinese agent that he sexzeteedt him to be. I understand

treaties whet” men mmenneelivotemy: anne sree me = -
# eee nee eek

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| that he has virtually retired from politics . He is a poet. And he'd nuch
rather be a poet than anything else. He told se on several oecasions Wat
in Paris when he cane to my house there for dinner thajte wished he could
get out of the whole thing; /ehat was he going to do, PA didn't have a
passport, he had xig=tiwe all these people sort of pushing him in
into this. He didn't have any money. He didn’t know what to do.
[ne lives in Paris)) js Bo
. No, he lives in Algiers. He is still in Algiers to,best of ny knowledge,

Algiers I would zssgxkimx lock him up. He's not terribly dynamic but -
events xexrtxef threw him up into a leading position and he sort of stuck

He is one of the people in Algiers I would see. If I were to go to , .
there and doesn't know how to get out. The Chinese Haven't given him ~~

the allout support that he had hoped for
; (Giei ther have they turned hin dowa))
Ho. :

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| . Jf Camticar Cabrera)!
f That was a name used, not . pseudonys, a false name. It dogsa’t reprosont

anyone, it represents the PALKP, of Yenezuela in Europe. They have a

bureau in France. I didn’t really know then. I knew there vere several
(ae some. of.
people. One of then, a graphic artist,s whose drawings —eR were
ea TEM te ete ae AG

i printed in Revolvtion. Thav, brought the things to eie. They. are autheatic.
i —_-
| Because when Verges had a young French boy traveling through Latin America
he went to Venezuela. They got him into the guofillas. They got hin all

around. We had sone very authentic S4at-nans reports. So whoever they

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are they are authentic. They were very, very cautioug#, probably suspicious
of no because I was an American, so I never had any real cozmashion- |
conversation with then.
(de you known anything about who Verges’s 1isk’to ‘then was) |
~ eae ESAS ee ER ten) eee RE EERE.
you know it he still has then

(AeA

I know thisya they asked him to remove the name Amilcar Cabrera
and it has been renoved, Macause it was identified with then. & ke thon
put in a note in the twelfth French edition that in the future he would

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receive an article from the information department of the FALN. They'd
be foolish not to send material, but they didn’t want to be idestified

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tendencies inside of the PALY which I have read about. I don't know any-
Qhae tat
thing, tiret-hand ceket they” split between a hard line, those who want
errilla’
to continue the real struggle and the sabotnee struggle and those who van }
drtun dll notin. seul, |

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with the editorial policy of the magazine. This wany reflect verious :

to look for possible negotiated solutions. one group parnad stent a little

more pro-Chinese.

\ In any case these people did represent the FALN, there is ao doubt

(watricia uégovan)

1 know very little about her. She did this book on Portugal. She vas

connected with the —— she has ties with the British Communist Party but
British
also with, Trotskyists. She was the one who found Rosalind Ainslée

é
to work here in London for the magazine. She is the mistress of a naa

about it. I did&'t Know any of them. They never had any dealings with me. |
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maned Carlos
oar Lance? )
I°’a not certain. That might be it. He is a European bora in Mizanbique, a
Portuguese, who has beenkept going by various African movements for years
because he represents, _Clanghing) on amen, oe pinned poh so. ftgleecce #shQe

- E De ww the

taxbé what the French call aa interlocateur, when wy want to call him out

cag)

Ate NS 10 wesc E CTT LE er PsN ROR

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CARMI ZA Beas. 1 ate etter ecg ACen ehAkanemanittan eee «2 mentig emer erage emp aeneenenpeereatin can msgs qemminnsrnnnmnieiceeaees =

~.. te do. He'll never go back to Goa.

He represents nothing. He's a sort of hopeless person. She's a very

dynamic woman. Verges claimed that she bad become a police informers for
a Ar A rr
the Algerian police,and that i>. she talked to very opposite groups
and to
occasionally, Shaxtsdked to Mamani of the Salava geampx party in Algiers,

But she no longer has anything to do with Revolution Africaine. deat
v1, erate
know vhat_she-ts—-going. She woulda't have anything to do with Verges after 4
the moment that she refused to go to Lausanne. You-deeo,—be—sas
(«mny)) i
- there
Why did she refuse to go? Well, she coulda't leave Carlos by himself,
God knove what would happen to him. Secondly, she bad=to wanted to be
Furth Art t A
all—the-time in Algiers. She wasnt inerste interested im running a :

magazine in Switzerland, the nagazindinterost was secondary to her.

Rey ee .
& There vas another Portuguese-speaking person in Algiers. That was
and
a man by the axe otp Br ‘aganza. Braganza is a Goan af; foan.who has.lost higyen. ifs
2 BEN ES TRE. tat Te er ares rar i
i

reason tor betageith tne end of tne Portuguese colonial rule in Goa, he

should have gone KRERE back! But wee he had been a Goan revoiutionary
‘had,
with the Portuguese opposition.For years he bay been ir in Rabat hooked up to

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the, at that time it was the CONCP, Conference {4205 than Hationaliste
WAL —_— |

des Colonies Portuguese) which grouped together theutibeno what TEEN Li — |

rue ‘ys

came to be the Falino and the MPLA. It was part of the hard line ‘couatries
———T
There was another one elsewhere which was soft line. Braganza was also
Reyolution Africaine ¢-.-

, sort of adviser to the magazine, 920 questions of India and so on. He stayed

on and worked with Mohammed Harbi and came to London.
2 (oid he have anything to do with Patticia ufcgowan))
Yes. They had been together in Rabat. - e .
(toid ne have anything to-do with Carlos)
Yes. It’s all the same crowd. But Carlos was waiting for destiny to

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call him and Braganza had already lost his chance. The Indians had got ime
They'd liberated Goa, so what next, you know.Go back to India. He obviously
wasn't going to go back .He was living too well,as it was“ Higin Gar 2 |
nobody knew him in Goa. He was a Goan educated in Portugal. One of these
frecpie reslty without a real natfonal identity. He knew that he wasn't
Portuguese and had thie feeling of alienation from Portugal, which made
him like most pt the colonials#f students there-- the MPLA really started
ia Portugal- made him an oppositionist. He dida't have enough roots with
the homeland. So he's just sort gof floating around. His wife is a school
teacher. Ee speaks excellent French. He was working for Revolution

_Africaine. I don't know if he still is. I'm certain he'll find something, 3:
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(mis points up the need for a coatinuing revolution, vhen the revolution
is completed 2) ;

Yes. You don't have jobs unless you're in the governzent. And that's
Scnawneeee « ‘never really did much, 7i
a problem, too. In his case, he, wasn't even a real revolutionary, just

a bureaucrat in Rabat and other places.

hace
ac ow did gactoen- react nvoived with Verges))
knew

That I don't know. I don't know how he gptxinxeansushawith her in
. I imagine be met her -
the beginning;—sxiuxy, ‘in Rabat. He used to go to Morocco quite ofter
ai « Ltn
and pad gcontact with all the African, ‘$he-rece people there. I suspect

that’s o wre he mot her.
for
(ea much eaxa those guys)

How you've got Harbi. He was *iyxts. the person who. replaced Verges. epee
He's out now, but , porcumebenney I'm told by Andersson, who texmna

has his ear to. the ground in Algiers-as well as in Svitzérland, “that Harbi ~
tei a very good position. He is one of the leading advisers to Ben Bella,
represents the Left position. He's a Trotskyist, or a Trotskyist synpathiser
without any formal organizationslg~ ties. He is very close to the Pablo vey,

That's Michel fant? He's Pablo, xuka-— (ve could'nt havé overlooked hia, ,- 5

é

he's a feature of Algiers life. He played an extrenely importat role ia
(Ae lemivare .
the agrarian reform, in, the type of agrarian reform that was gdng to be

carried out. He came down on the Yugoslav model, that is collectives which

Ths
are privately owned by the collectives and run on profit model, that ig ‘4~ ~
“an

protisbasis. ; a
“Gud deat tes Ua, des Biens Vacants
Harbi,~ chay were all inside of this Bureau devRien

then
which/became the aia halata of the Socialist Sector. I once did an article for

ve CAME ad yt

>
te Monthly } Review, ° ‘g0-1-knew)ait * out how it operated. What really ‘

happened was that the Europeans: fled just before, just after Iadependence,

: we tell ses
oh riiuer should have, considering what they had done. saat Thayjexpected

a blood bath. The blood bath never took place. It was on incredible »

That was one of the most incredible things to me is Algeria was that the
Algerians dida't — — ——
& Aeecause the stories were horritying. You know what happened. A month or so
Ge Furck)
before , theyre just shooting everybody on the street, trying to provoke

them, and the discipline of the SEix FLN was incredible. Nobody would
Ty Tmekrpas wee,
shoot back, so matter what they did. So they, fled and they left all tet

these farms. iy... f- ra
See It was a question of ploughing and seeding. There

is only a certain time of year that you haxe-to do this. This had to be
organized and it was organized almost spontaneously locally. AKé-thea-

~fhis was wert-of institutionalized later, athemnbtamas an accomplished

fact. They want soma sort of 9 anrtstiet ennt-— +7 --

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didn't know how and the institutionalizing of it was really directed by ~
these Trotskyists. There vas Pablo, Harbi, a French lawyer named Matthieu : ; J
from Grenoble who had been involved with the FLN, and he, begans sort of

legal adviser of Biens Vacants, which was vaguely under the jurisdiction of

the Ministry of Agriculture which was at that time under Omer Usgam ?

———— ee
e

who is now Minister of State, and Director of Revoluti.n Africaizs at

present. He replaced Harbi, sone

Harbi is deeply resented by the army elements which are pro-Beyx
Egyptian. However, the Army, despits its religious inclination had
its socialist bias and would like to see more centralization, moregon an

\- Egyptian model. In other words, they would like to see much more control

ee IER eee see,
wee.

They feel that in the long run the business of the private collective

ovnership.is going to cafuse.-trouble.:--It's stes~212:. right «4 rA2“40 fea rich. : < sth Rate

\you are in. )

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ks from the center than this confused type of .regional or local control.
3

' one, but what happens if/itess @ poor one. You don't spbit “profit, you

| split a defici&. Obviasly, according to the Yugoslav uodel, the State
intervenes. The State taxes the rich ong and then distributes subsidies
to the poor ones, but this a debate that is still going on in Algeria, weed

”
°
dusly enough these Trotskyists have been inbontact, very close contact,

eememeee ae ee

with the Yugoslavs. As you recall,the campaign, the so-called campagne
de labeur, the ploughing, was made possible onlyby the delivery of 568
— Vheakia agnersets
Yagoslav tractors which turned out to the great deception, of sone of the
a
Algerians not to be Yugeslav but to be American trgctors put together
\ Tugoslavia§ under license.
(mis is getting us a little bit fa” r afield)
This is Harbi and this is the group. aakertittere the leading

within the FLN
spokesmen of this sort of Trotskyist~leaning Left groups , and his post is

\ —_———<o
(When was he dropped = cos
| ( ppedy (Cogan
4 I think last summer, I/m not certain, With Smusz it has become much
2 pore —_——_______-___-——— the #vord Socialism appears in Arabic because it

is felt that Socialism in Prench doesn't have the same meaning as it has

in Arabic. It's very seorécf eile sek! represents the wy muddled maa
ne “teens

still very high, even though he is no longer Director.
=
that. Usgan has. He is very much split between his religious (ee li nations ° t

oum= Usgan is a full member of the Communist party of Algeria but
be left forfatonalist reasons when they refused to support the rebellion, 2

ary
ae Sees

joined the FLN. His wife is supposed to be fanaticallyy religius and has
, Sues cee oe

Saget

“made him more religious than he was. .  - ~ SG Bbennde reece ttn

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( {curious mix-up- - this religionf and politics.). vec
\figturning to our first subject, Strelkof?. ‘Is he a practicing Jew?)) i
Ko, °
(aust an ethnic Jew))
Yes. ;
(ext on the list here is Robert Williams¥,Whcever made this up |
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calls him an American in Peking.)
But
He's in Havana., Re was in Peking recently and he may still be there,

one of the countries that had a celebration. I think he was in Hanoi, if
» 14m not mistaken. He was in Asia. He may still be there.

Robert Williams is a Negro, former President of the Union County

Ten,

— t
for that matter. He went on a second trip to the Far East, it Ke was ia : :

Horth Carolina’ branch of the NAACP, who had a hell of a battle on his

x hands against _the local rykiux 1 Klan and discovered . thef the the best way toc. |.
‘pig aed -_ .

raw ar, Ye wife Belek

a éoal with “the. -s ux ‘Klas was to sheot back at them. And it worked. They

a)
ria

never had seen it, <izeéueapkx Jn that part of the south, anyway, the small
towns of the Souths .-  gentlon gentlemen's
tem-paats. Up until recently there's been sort 0 tof / pemesmd- agreement in

(Cpt SF

the south that the Negro civil rights groups would go into the big cities,

where they would be reasonably protected. But they had to leave thezg |
much.) Wil.i: :

rural areas alone because they couln'’t expect <p Of course, u.-%4 & : |

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there is no doubt,
Ep great enbarrassnent to everybody, % RES

RAACP_

and they vere on his back. He got no sympathy from thejleadership. Ts

He first came to
/\ Sew dagaet national prominence after a case of obvious injustice where

\ had» “some localy

a mys ee men a Sah, done sosaething to a Negro woman and “Brejury had thrown it
a? Carnie F
out, Hg, safaeee1 if we can’ t get justice in the courts we'll have to take :

COU tna
justice in our own hands." fas Jace Hehe mth otac But even the fact that
‘older, more ‘

Regroes would fight back got the eadnentarsy=thombdeconservativeegro
44e TR. atte i
leaders very upset. Be—wese—iusediately, Ro le‘ came to nie support, i
“The ATrotskygites |

“

particularly the Trotskyits, not the Communists» came in, and tried to

give hin
take him over. They did ‘Fata fine support. There had been a case before,

me aie st
another case, locally called the, “Kiseing Gase. Two Kegro boys, you may -have

e tv Anat S

a six-year-old white girl. He was tnvoivedda that and again, it was the
Trotskyites who came to his Support gp See with other Liberal groups.
In terms of organizational support it was the Trotskyites. I heard of him

heard of it, were sentenced to indefinite terms in prison for having kissed |

at the time I was in CBS and I thought that it was very understandable and

sent him a message of support. I met him at the time of the lhe Conference,

in Kew York in 1959f and when the FPCC was formed he was among the eight we’
OY a ea see

, Negroes who were anong the 30 founding members, to the great shock of

* OP QUIK amma: Gai 18 0h teen es renames esses eeeee ne tnnettnmaes narcermnennnememmmmnnnies
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of the Communist Party of the United States, wich did not particularly

approve of seeing the two issues mixed, Cuba and Zu Negroes.

Willians, very volatile, a very determined persoay on a local level,

has no ability whatsogver on a national Jh® level. He has becoue a synbol
now to Negro youth in particudar, as a Negro who is not an Uncle Tom, who
will fight,” “gis We knew €i8t what was cpaine in the summer of 61,
~peshapa_tt-eae_betore.__no-an“obyiouslynis, embarrassment, for the
national executive of the NAACP, embarrassment for the Justice Department,
and more than 465 enbarrassuent/y Terry Sanford, who was the Governor, anol toha~ }
“Hamboix told him, "I wish you were dead. Period.” Txs7 finaity, by one

at-7 C- a(t

nid

of Vey Te rinkes of fate, there was atenonstration over a swimming pool.
mney Ai at want to integrate the pool. They just wanted to swim in it. t

But the local people said they didn’t want to do that because they would

ac
pets

have to change the water, and it would take too much tize to change the :

JY Tes weet, 1 ee CS Tt, <TR SRE RUENOES Carb SMEE SRS
water after’ “Negroes Svan ‘ae the’ water. “So they had some demonstrations.

AN

‘“ Williams was almost murdered @a one of these occasions. The denomtrations

were getting pretty violent. And then King sent in some Freedoa Riders who

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I
were going to show them hov non-violence WEEXGGx was going to vork in this
M
town. They decided to make am example. So Williams said, I'm going to get
!

out of this. I don't want anything to do with your non-violence. But

you go shead and I'll see what happens.” a
( even

Well the non-violent demonstration béTime, more violent® There were
people shotg. There were arrests. There was an English girl who now figures

Aare TINCT yt we na ag me oe et RO NOLS I OY NO HO 8

here ia the British Trotskyist pasty, who was over there. People were coning
from all over #reports in the European press. —The-ruscr wert-areund< -
Williass now had nothing to do with thie, & was just sort of staying there
saying well you see where non-violence gets gou-- but there was a report
that they were going to lynch they people who had been arrested. As offen
happens in tkesux this type of thing the Negroes and whites,# outside whites
who were involved, really came in for a nf of a beating, aad as in the i
Philadelphia Mississippi, case, thes ‘have been killed. W/lliamsy was nore
or less a victim of the noble the Negro community which said “we've got te

se :
do something. We've got to free these people, get them out of jail.” | Uta:
He had arms, including ease machine guns, which had bees purchased is ,

Kew York/ and seat down there. They dida't use then been they got scared,
weet

t they had arms. The communi éy was armed. The people, out in the street
in front of his housey when a car with a white coupley came down tte’ road,
nel an
t was surrounded and thep~aere told to get out. The crowd wanted to string |

them up right toere. Stremexaienxetcteex “This man came from a neighboring

FLEES cememanabes iets hati Se 1h ENN et ial acetates Qiharsen Kent meaner arenseamanpemeuremeeee

ri ne F Ay pistet~ '
. town, | clained, had lossthetr way. They said, no youjre a senber of the
: Klan in this town. ‘They wanted to kill himy or hold bin as hostage.
Williams said, ‘Gring these people in my house and you know I won't let
then go. He called the Sheriffy and said, "Took, I have these people here

and my people are very upset and I want you to know that I don’ t want

a a mep eens eae:

anggshing #¥ to happen to our people that you have in the jail. “tie

Sheriff immodtavely called the National Guard, State Troopers and what
$a . -
not. They, coulda' t_hold out very long. Williams escaped. Julian Mayfield
‘well known

was there, 2 Negro writer who now lives in Ghana as a result of this.
: Minnie \@ Negro woman from New York who was there |

| \\ Shiite Mallory,,w> was later arrested and convicted and sentenced to
1

and the case is on appeal now, ,
» /piliians vas

16 years in prison for duet kidnappiogy Shext

&pirited across the Uaited States {=I knew vaguely where he was, but

we?
he! _kept very carefulh by ‘Cubans and by Negro groups in contact with the

ae i
; Cubans, to Canada, From Canada. he was flown by private plane andby Ceadban.)

Castro himself, to Havana, where he iy now,

\ On two occasions the FEI came to me asking for information about

en mee eeenetetnetee erent:

. Williams, and I damn sure waan't going to give any,—t£xSmitdiiz of what I
knew. Ye had tried to get in touch with Bobby Kennedy hinself. I had

meme = epee cere neces ete

sent -tisg telegrams. I even tried to get_a telephone call in. Because I
aA TZ card?
knew what was going to heppen on this thing;,. ‘to get some kind of Federal \
‘the most Sickening things that I ever sav, |
intervention, <== It was one of those sickening ¢ things — Sime |
Neaez)

They wanted him out of the way. Even th they came to me later-——

— ae Ns NN we err

ae t
two of the agents came to the FPCC office in New York. They said, Ye have |
t
500 agents. We'll get him. He'll never get away. Well, he was away at
that tice point. His aunt died agd=teey in New York around that tine.

They went to the funeral parlor where the body was and put a wanted ©
for Williams, and stood there. by
frosterjon ‘the coffin—yto 66 see if he would come. Really, they should have
out on /
been thrown sutun@u their heads, frankly. If it hadn't been Negroes I'm

|
certain they would never have done that sort of thing. The trouble was-——- |
Webtbet, the trouble is—— the whole attiéude. ~ :
~attivede, ; Anyhow, as it is; Williams is not a Communist, he's not a |
Trosskyite. He's a former Marine, who's just had enough. Really, you
ry he's turned into a Aworld-wide figure_.
know. And now he has turned into, a world-wide Yigur¢e/because ‘people like
“bother to
Bobby Kennedy and others could not just/éry to see what could be done about

it..é It was no se though. I mean, it's po use we
‘be wil

I'm certainly hag free ph sre. eee: tel yx Oe debits and: everybody..

Pre, that's too bad. Just like the case of these boys, Walter Bow, and

‘
so on. And they're not me only ones. -ta#, fdr every Walter Bow there
aad fo
must be at least a hundred. I must say, I would no more want. to live in

2 eR, GENUINE IN anciy Neen NU lina cmeRER ve sreenentnnn penagn meen encom neg nae ten

the States now —= you're going to really see someting. I don't reasliv

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ne (aia) -
Verges wanted somebody fron Pakistan on the board, Hojeata “I's rl ; |
certain that the Mulana PBashani Kobo will agree”.
((rhat would be Mulana Abdul Hamid Bashani)) |
That's right. He's sometimes called Kain as a title of respect.
He’s a 70 or 80 years-old man. He's called the Zed Wullah, sort of like
the Red Dean of (Canterbury,-
C He's the leader of one of the Bast Pakistan parties. He had Jen to Chins
| and was quite pro-Chinese. He was more than willing. But he had absolutely
no contact whatever with the magazine. .
| sal Cosa he come in to replace Haxsa ser)
Yes.
(wow long 414 Hanga Alavi work with the engazine)) ‘|

You would have to check the seeueny ° of the English edition. He was
rasan bee thore untit’slightly befdre we ‘dropped Hosa ifthe Alisiée?* That would be™
May of 63. right up to gqring of 64.

'
i & Kota Hamsa Alavi do anything actually )or—dtd-he—just-

found ° |
He/ got manuscripts and so on. He actually did the work that Phombeah |

never did. & But that was all. And it was sort of contre coeur with him
because he did not agree with the thing. He had the idea that the magazine
| was axnnodned open forumprostrum for km debate between 4
© all sorts of revolutionary movements. But when it became very obvious
| that Verges wanted @ to try, at that time, at least, to stay with the
< Chinese line, MA it pan elit —the- state ot bts tay a u Je xhie feelings about the
situation in Pakistan and he waan't happy. Also on the question of India,
| ie felt that the Chinese position vis-a-vis India wasn't Just, and he a 7
didn't like the hook-upt betwesa-Psktstunt the wiiiieg / friendship
; \ and actual solidarity between Pakistan and China.

0 he was through amicably. What is the present relationship

a a neept ener ARE A RS NNT Ne tee Nm cnn me

betweenAlavi and Verges))

I doubt if he has any at all. He is very active here in London
with Pakéstani groups. ke has noney. His wife"s family has money, his

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(cuss he continued to be acttve in AfrdeAsian things))

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| own family has. It wasn't a question of money for hin. uate
He's an academic, Hetwxx The Socialist Register published last year by

: ~—-an article on Imperialism by him. He is active around
. |. the London School of Economics. He is known to the academic Left, friends

Vy with the boys who do Left Review and so on. His only practical vork ‘vould
be working with Pakistani groups, for instance durtug ag the" ast Siectioa

so anes. eth Re ene remina

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Bt wer

ota See
es a ene ae

nena

the Tories raa in several constituencies Pakistani independent candidates
, in the hope of breaking the Labor vote, hoping that the Pakistanis would

cane

vote for these Pakistani independents. Hansa worked with the Labor Party

in those constitucacies, to counter thie; and_appefentiy they were quite
‘\ guccessfu}. He bas very good connections inside the Labor Party). And

‘Pton ae

a

he does not have very good ties at all with the Communist Party, though
he is not by any means anti-Communist. He's a skeptic.

(grow avout Bashant))

He has never done anything. Never heard froa him except once when he

rever been any contact.

7 (no they get paid for this, »!., oe. er en

H
i]
:
: wakz said we could put his name on the board. As far as I know there has

No.

essai. Héxt1s Hassan. malady ae: He io B AMIE? He is an CH¥PEY'SE the UNF
¢ with headquarters in Dakar

" Boononic Commission for Africa, UR economic adviser in Dakar, He has a
very high position inthat. He is Egyptian, a full member of the Egyptian
Communist Party with very very pronounced Trotskyist views. That is, he
feels, he has a theory about the role of bureaucracy in under-developed
countries ~ the progressive and reactionary bureaucracy- 2% fits into
general Trotskyist theories but applied there. He has done work on
Egypt, state capitalism in Egypt. A book of his published recently by

Chrtcon de Minuit —
Heevomtiieu--——— + in Paris, part of which appeared in Revolution. Sone

ee OE Oe en ge cere nee -_

Mas
of it was so obviously Trotskyist that Chea, despite his somewhat partial

Als Leen

agreement with parts of it felt that it was too obvious even to print
in Revolution. He only comes through Paris occasionally. His main interest
See

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in REvolution is getting his things printed. He is very interested in
 memenetnint

: having his things published. He is very cynical about many of the African

States. His article on Senegal appeared recently in Revolution, in French,
d Serene
I think in No. 12, It was written under a psepdonym by-dbim and based on

. €: the UN Economic Commission for Africa research , stuff that he couldn't
: . Like let 7:

say in his official pxbktesektiex capacity. (Rseudougm} Lajatie,’ yes.
Ke is not overly pro-Chinese. He feels that the Chinese philosophical

: position isn’t quite adequate, the idefelet ideological model isn't

adequate for under undeveloped countries, certainly for Africa «
Ce you know him- How old is he))
Yes I know him. He is in his thirties. About 35. Married. He is Egyptian.
He is anti-Nasser really. He feels that the Egyptian Communist partf/tas * g |
 geally abdicated atty Constructive Fole insidd Egypt, even from the eee

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4 concentration camps where they were held putting out secret clandestine

4 tracts supporting Masser, which was the craziest thing I've ever heard.

»Because How they've been liberated g- in fact the old Communists are now
being given very bien organizational posts in the new Egyptian Party, dud

es

4] Communisn‘ “fiarkion is ‘extraneous to Arab socialissa but they
very
evesurotat yotpis su use cusz Ln there. Aad ths gruug that are under

| Soviet influence are perfectly willing to go along with thisf’,

2 (Ge he pro~anything in Eyeypt)) ' \ ee
No,I think that he is sort of resigned to tndSrente of h&tcry. He
analyzes what he considers state capitalist developments, the rise of 2 new
bureaucratic middle class, the officer ‘ofess and he tries to show in his

writings how the officer class has crushed the old land-owning Vafdist
ruling class which had its links with British and French financial

—

_interests and fas now consolidated itself in power, aad there is a certain
sane? hee es ERS EBCSERIE co ERRNO ERE met

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me & “ goctal nobility, but for them only. In other words, how limited it is and
| the officer caste certain % & g, iia cone but still the
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Meera - oe oo ad (7

\ Probes of the masses renains,
choos hé concern himself very mich withthe state of Esypt?))
From an academic point of view only. He's more academic. He's not even

particularly comerned wih revolution. If you want his address . . asé-bere.

Cnn AMH

Now who de we have- Marcos Ferrer- drat's Colombia. I don't Xnow

i

| anything about tt. It probably standa for Dr. Leiva 7 the M
a
&

4% Paris. He is a Colombian doctor, the representative in Paris of the

£
| MOAC. He is the one who conducted negotiations with Verges for a Spanish
Neattton in Colombia. I asstme Marcos Ferrer ME EEO) to be a a Peoudonyn,
Frene

Ruaday,Giowalla, next on the list, is a member of the taain Congress
y for South Africa, She was a correspondent of Revolution in Dar es Salaan
(} rad and she published a magazine called Spearheads until she vas expalled from
6 taagfayika under a cloud and accused of being a Western spy. The accusations
id were not made openly. She was known to have contacts with the Festera.

Vest German Embassy. She received West German money from the Carl Ebert

She had gone to West Germany and done this so obviously that @uiont-seewre.

she couldn’t have been very sophisticated about it because it was just too
(oy) se was accused of having told-the- Soviet Embassy of bavieg offered

to carry information for the Soviet Embassy, voluatesring/ as o-Cousuntat.

a South African Communist, to give them information, tvo-thirds of which |

turned out to be totally useless and false, which again night bave i to

t

| Foundation and actually printed West German propaganda in the her magazine.
eee : -

i

cami rene 5 PIPERS,

cay ingratiate herself. =SI-—The_sorke She. was here in London after she was


i expelled, I'm not certain of the exact dates. She was alse known to have
slept around with aimust every Minister of the Tanganyikan government

1

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la

" syne luili ng Julius Nyerere. This is one of the reasons why there was so much

hushhush about her, that she had obviously gotten a lot of information out
of these fellows. She was very close to Oscar Kabona and she claimed that
i . Oscar Bambona was going to get her back into the Poreign Ministry.

She was just Revolution's corregpondent there. She did practically
nothing. When she got out, phe managed to keep her little office going.
They didn't seize anything, and she turned over themailing list of her i
i _Spearhead_ for 2 .
Amagazine to Revolution. Verges had paid her ©1600 = as, deposit soxsizsx she
_ could do some work but she reallydian! t do anything, but she unlike

Rosaljnd Ainslie, turned over the unspent portion of that to Verges when
| she came’ to London. end She wasn't interested really in continuing ber
poset : : work with Revolution. Being Indian of course posed a problen wrth-2ry_ ;
‘0 “sor her with anything to do with the Chinese. She was very close to the
Indian community, hs *nyone who looks through that mailing list will see
we have lots of missionaiy’ Indian business seta, and so forth in East
| _Africa, who were taking subscriptions to the magazine more or tess out
t
: of friendship and solidarity with another Indian. They didn’t carenuch
| ‘whether she was a Communist or not,
| She was supposed to have been the mistress of Dr. Dadu. At least ay.
! they say she slept with Dr. Dadu and they had a very close rebationshipg
to hia. Dr. Dedu is the president of the Indian Congress for
South Africa and a member of the Communist Party/ of South Africa,
| ! a very important memberf. Bfcause Fegan —thertuctanp—havsbekdings
\e Indian communisg has holdings up and down East Africa, Mozambique
| as well, their role in the liberation struggle is very equivocal .
t
|

rohan mek, anced tm
ing - #94 well—~ ajpg Africanization "Sa the a Tidianse

Obviously the Africans want to go ahead while the Taadeds Indians are think~

f .
vat

“Bre English used them as a sort of buffer, ‘preferred to bring an Indian :

clerk to East Africa rather thin to train an African. That was a typical

which is untenable, for a long period. You know people talk about multi- . a sgt
racial states but in East Africa it is a joke. It won't hold up. I don't 1 “,
think it will, anyway.

| colonial maneuver but now it has put the Indians in a situation historically |
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Atre Tadian Congress of South Africa is related to the African National

Congress, ane Colored ‘people’ 8 congress, all of this in a so-called
paisa CoA, ’ are
Congress Alliance, She had. contacts” with the Africang- the Ane’ people.

“the ANC people here in London. They, were suspicious of her, as—vwet}.

i

But she managed somehow to get back inp Bho was 111, she was in
hospital | She-ves. hurtia an auto accident, and she had to have a very
complicated bone operation - That put her out of action for some tize.

I don't know, but I heard that she is now back in Tanganyika.

She may well be. She has quite a bit of money; lor family has money.

Of course the Indians do have money. She did very little for the magazine.
She occasionally told me about people in the ANC who night do sozething

for the magazine. But most of the people she told me abut were menbers

of the South African Communist Party. That party has taken a pro-Moscow SE

® stand and most of its people don‘t want to 9 anything for Revolution, _
[oe }:cenougn we did Kave articles by Bryn’ Bink cotiey SORE REE ‘ican Communist.

we
That was before their party took their stand on the Sino-Soviet conflict.

And there is a struggle going on right now inside of the ANC.
2
That's a long complicated thing. That has nothing to do with Revolutin.
oo
Con my list here we have Diallo))

~~...

Diallo isan adviser 6f the President of Mali- whet-e-big—aumn=>=

_

Modewa Keida.. v
WH ae fed to a French vwosan Leftist, he knows Ver
ges through friendship
faarr yet 2

and offered to help. He put hin in contact with _——————-—--— 2

ait t oe

on Chou en Lai visited Mali, you recally that.he got quite pa

who is Minister of Information, who is very, very pro-Chinese,

There were sone gratuitous, open handed @laps ~. :
‘

— This —is-again-one of Verges—attezpts to have” ‘e-Ynger-te-sncthar Atri: African _, i is
0, I didn't mention, with Phomybeah, one of the reasons that he kept

ombeah was foabeah's connection with Odinga, #f in Kenya.

eee ene

ee
The £

¥ Phombeah at one | tine had Boped to be made the secretary of this new
5 Lusuraba Institute there, “4m Nairobi. Verges, odd as it may seem, had at”
<
~

one tine, proposed himself as a sort of security adviserfto Odinga.
We felt that he continued to pay Dennis Phombeah for doing nothing

|

=|
; TRS Forme very mech Siete Bas 7 |
| |

mainly to keep a line of communication open to Odinga. He had met Odinga

3 but -got nowhere with him, In ‘Aigiers ‘he waa actriwitumtx&® «Le Chinois

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Met-be < President of Mali,
Bele Keita. xxmx Married to a French woman. Leftist.
nows Verges through friendship and off °
d < eth zd cobptace oft ereer to st He put we . ;
Tat A eqeiege C1)

who 1s Manister of Information, “who is very very nen se-Mali,

dad \ohen Chou en Lai visited Malt you recall that he got quite a committed” j;

Baas .
see ee

welconesy in Mali. And there were some gratuitous open-handed slaps
| the Russians made. Didn't have to be made but were.
Cow did Verges and Diallo get together))
I don't know. He had known hin for a considerable tine. There
is nothing very much. This is again one of Verges's attempts to have a
finger in another African country. One of the reasons that he kept
Phombeah was Phombeah's connection with Odinga.

2 eR te eT me oe eee

A weasel | peu baz
alive

| ; - Me.
wor tSe wed te are | pase * bee zengeee aera - tei, Set

If in Algiers he was referred to as Le Chino

i would accept hin.

This is a real problem. He says, “well, we colored people and so forth"
and it is true that he is part ~ he's Eurasian, but it is very hard for
Africans to accept tok. They just put him down as Chinese,

I don't know very such about +} Diallo. He played very little role

3 in the Hagazine except that he was a contact inside of Mali . He came to
/ Wy
: : France early last year, the spring of last yosr{ with his wife. He went

Db rable

to Wichy for his health and drank the waters for two Ue three veeks/

and he saw Verges. Verges had ideas, had mentioned to Chen that if he

j couldn’t keep the magazine gohg beara he might go to Mali. & & vas
: going to be sent off to | whoreven visiato da Cruz of the Angolan Federation
' ; of Liberation, as adviser, and I was gal ng to be seat to Indonesia gor

H the Afro-Asian jrungex Journalists. That was how he was going to take care

‘hoe
ie
oa ee ee errmen natant nin

‘ of everybody.

; ‘Qnow about Castro Da stiva)

"Castro Da Silva is the pseudosya used for Viriato a la_Cruzy formerly

married, has a child and is based ure or lees a Algiers. He has virtually

mo money at all. He has a small group which vent into the UPA. a
. Holda Roberto, the head of the UPA is very suspicious of him. but
‘pevertholess he needs hia. He meeds the Left. He has beem to China #
and this give bim a sort of LF gives the Chinese a guarantee,

sii san

7 EN Other hand the Chinese didn't. even: want to give Viriato money crestor

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himself from Algiers to Brazzaville. And he was threatesed by the MPLA
people, who are of course Sovierbacked to the hilt, in fact more sq...

4 wo
Dr. nto, apeerrs, more than ever now, And the Algésians, Ben Bella,
who had supported the MPLA up until the great fiasco when people discovered

that they didn’t have what they claimed to nave tidiktentaralio Rave

een

given their support to the UPA. Nevertheless, the MPLA people still

remain and they are promising to reform and really carry out things.
Ldeologically
i I think that logteatdy the MPLA is much sore congenial to the Algerians
| OQngto . all of the —
‘ _é#hen << ard revolutionary liney people.

and always has bees. In actual fact, he received a lot of money through
missionry rps bidet Ahan
various Protestant missionary groups, American Protestant méesicuries.

kaate himself is a Christian Protestuat. These tie-ups have belpdd the
Rightists to back hin. He did go off to China, Verte rome atta too

oe

ee oor ees
GL on the Chinese vere pleiied with, Saee EE CEN ASE y

Feet +

| Holden Roberto is considered to be an American agent pure and simple :
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< The Chinese haven' t made any real decisive choice betwoen the MPLA and the t
UPA. They‘re just waiting to see who is going to be able to produce. |
(cwnat about da Cruzy! What is his function),

He has no function except to write articles about Angola, which he
has done, one of which he signed with his own name. He has very little
j

money and he hoped that Verges would be able to smooth the way with the
71 understa ud,
Chinese, but alas! poor fellow, he learnt to his horror that Verges
presuned ‘a
was by no meann the Chinese agent that he sesrpkeed him to be. I understand

ene apatetn hee Peete oe le

that he has virtually retired from politics . He is a poet. And he'd such

rather be a poet than anything else. He told me on several oecasions Text
:really

in Paris when he came to my house there for dinner thafihe wished he could

get out of the whole thing, what was he going to do, te didn't have a

a

passport, he had zis==fiee all these people sort of pushing him in

%
N into this. He didn't have any money. He didn’t know what to do.
S [(e lives in Paris)) js
No, he lives in Algiers. He is still in Algiers to, best of my knowledge,
He is one of the people in Algiers I would see. If I were to go to
Algiers I would zesxktex lock him up. He's not terribly dynamic but
events xnxixsf threw him up into a leading position and he sort of stuck
there and doesn't know how to get out. The Chinese Haven't given hin ~~
the allfout support that he had hoped tor
| , (Gieitner have they turned him dova})

Ho. ;
Oe ee fh EE tnt ees

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' je That was a name used, not a pseudonyn, a false name. It doesn't represent
t 32s

anyone, it represents the PALNP, of Venezuela in Europe. They have a

| J (atlear Cabrera)?

aw mul

bureau in France. I didn't really know them. I knew there were several
Mod a some_of.
people. One of themy a graphic artist, whose drawings weweecy exe were
ae, iB
printed in Revolution. Thay, "prought the ‘things a. They.are autbentic.
eet

Because when Verges had a young French boy traveling through Latin America

he went to Venezuela. They got him into the guesillas. They got him all ,

around. We had some very authentic Slat. ~hand reports. So whoever they
are they are authentic. They were very, very cautiougg, probably suspicious
of me because I was an American,so I never had any real canuvassios.

+ - acoA pPEte mite aS

conversation with them.

Ho.
. A) “sy cee Pn net sary 4 Re
o you know if he still has then}
that
1 know this,, They asked hin to remove the name Amilcar Cabrera

and it has been removed, Because it was identified with them. ho then

(hs you known anything about who Verges's link to then was): |
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put in a note in the twelfth French edition that in the future he would
receive an article fron the information department of the FALN. They'd
be foolish not to send material, but they dida't want to be ideatified

PR RNR I nS OR ane = nt be

tendonee? inside of the FALN which I have read abouts I don't Know any- i
ghaed at H
thing tiret-hana akc they” split between a hard line, those who want
guerrilla~
to continues the reay, struggle and the sabotage struggle and Une who vant
dfn aval LON pe oN

r :
to look for possible negotiated solutions. ~dne group,taet tert a little

with the editorial policy of the magazine. This many reflect verious |
i

more pro-Chinese.

\ In any case these people did represent the FALN,there is a0 doubt

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about it. I didh't know any of them. They never had any dealings with me.

(ratricia wégowan))

1 know very little about her, She did this book oa Portugal. She was

connected with the —— she has ties with the British Communist Party but
British
also wathy ‘Trotskyists. She was the one who found Rosalind Ainslée

to work here in London for the magazine. She is the mistress of a man

nared Carlos

(rarxy- Los oo. 7)
I'm not certain. That might be it. He ig a European bora in Kizambique, a

Portuguese, who has beenkept going by various African movements for years

because he represents laughing) é Een poetic: fe rgfeuee Pod ye

one allem

4arché what the French call an interlocateur, when they want to call hin out

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American support. His father did, I think. “Ft

¥

: griously Neto does kusxz have some American support as well or had soue | °
Fi :

{ (Do you know Mickael Tabasa),
Ro, never heard of hin. :
SY ((10 come to Maspero))

Yaspero is tust 2 third-ceneratior Prench elite intellectual who has

i a little bit of money, runs a publishing house, and magazine, and wko is

fertist but he is not a member of any party and is not really involved

im active politics. His magazine more and more is taken over by Trotskyists {
That was not always the case.

extremely non-committed in his Left commitment. In other words he is a
at present He came really to the fore with the Algerian War, Considering |

Wa ape.: oO

intellectuals, the, _. wime de
i the Algerian questions, it was Jthe/1 ert intellectuals who were out of the

Or Beit ted
party who responded, who made up the Jepan netvork, the support t petvork e if
. He BE

the failure of the Freach Communist Party to do anything about Zax °

Ra es eee BRE a4

aopuia | for the

: ps “ths he FLY us My underground in France, ard who did the propaganda work and who
I

i gave the support 4a the rik had French support it was among these people, |

mot anong the Communiet fariy.

meee

(verges consistent efforts tog)
vean Yes.
To wgplt avay authors (fron Maspero). / Hassan Riab wrote for hin. -

Sn anne ee

Chalion, whom he got for Revolution Africaine wrote for him and now is 2

I. fg

back again working for him, writing for hin. -Cxszetl also, tise also.

Almost everyota. Even I knew him because he published student material
at ptt Goce Se V2 i a ;
and he used te-thinge-to / —— ———---- ~— in the States

ard I had correspondence and I used to send him material that we had.

(crme competition betveen Verges and Maspero- was this a personal

as opposed to ideological competition)

vee eee

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No it was personal, There is very “teh 3 ‘ideological about Verges.

Py >
/ Verges is an extrenely b é%, personal person. He is song in many ways .

{
. - Lesko Brteunr
but S@ even his generosity is pect personally. er .

~ee

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Qtere. <j o* df

“youess Hq is a Grand patron. He is extremely generous with money when he
has itr He throws it around. You could never go anywhere with Verges that :
he doesn't wxetxutmapext want to pay. When we traveled it was betes!
¢ first class, usxexxxapkhingxzpizexs on a place. He ££ has a deep-seated .. | ie i tL
Ee desire to be vig, (te is a small man, he is short} to be talked about. :
He wants publicity. He wants to be known. He doesa't have any real comait-

>
ments, I Goat think, that are terribly deep. And I’m certain that if i
é

he were sure of money from the other Ses, but nevertheless so that his mame
Zé a 4. vl
SES Bite ga Bae aitg

va Comunlat-party~

would B stay big, I pu bet he'd. ee

Srgee 's ather was the founder

<TRESHT at."

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: money not for itself but for prestige. After all, Verges’s father was
; ° .
i the founder of the Comsunist party,Reunion, member of the French Assembly. ‘f
1, His — fh, 4

i Na brother is the head of the Communist party of sks t-£-1i6-7 “yight now, ?

; L He cree up in this sort of French Left-wing upper class, which in France
oh t

i < is A hereditary Left which goes all the way back to 1848 or before.
; Some families were extremely distinguished. ‘They—reatiy-had—-c-7 .

group. In France it is
Ana he is in that oSPt- of /hkinge.xnagnsacannctenttton very much 2h

bie 7) land “yi
respected, fexexctusturaspeéienvareix just as you might respect, Flasdew-

family. You know that a member of such and such a family obviously must
\ve Left bat because his grandfather and his greatgrandfather were.
((usspero again)? “
Haspero fits just into that category:

teeerge + : ate weer «seg:

C | (That sene Leftist heritage)
ae PORE STA GRC ccs cece UNE ree Rg Re ag:
(QDoes he run his opsration on a self-sustaining commercial basis)
More or less except that ton imtance he published a book on China
recently, which the Chinese ba e subsidized. I suspect that
he kas received some aid from the Italian Communist party. The Italians
look with great favor on him because of his openness, his critical approach,
his Aati-Stalinism, Andersson says he got money from the Chinese fo/
ee ——e,
this A#book on China.
Ld Ge pte atch. yf od
Verges has tried desperately to smear him with the Chinese, .but o
apparestly the Chinese dida't give a damn.

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Yes.

would they be giving him any kind of financial aid))

1 really doubt it, The Trosskyists generally are ppor. #dox*t

—Abteieso. I think that what it is, is that he is really short of hands,

short of manuscripts, short of people wkkkxkiorx who can think and produce
souething. End here are these Trotskyist-leaning sadt]edveskapxherst
intellectuals who don't have any outlet, so naturallyM.. It's just that
he doefa’t pewaste doesa't have aiyy sectarian feelings against :
them, sO more and more tend to cone is.

(Gnare Belge)) :

Never heard of hin.

Gieither have 1S steal PES Dove vhuay ie Nigeria)

Oh, Imokay is a student. He's no b bureau man at all. He was a student {

VSt
at, ed jpaiversity of Exmey2 Ensuks, | He distributed the. magazine.

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. f-
| | He never did anything else. Just _astudant, geaduttaxxgs jie has graduated

pov. I think he is working ia the goverzmeant sozevhere.

rr

(pid he get paid))

No- oh yes, he did, he got a commission on subscriptions, He got 30
H sone subscriptionsfrom students at the university, in one weeky as I recal}
which was uvheara of. Just a studant, and just sheer chance he haadled
the magazine. y)
(cume. ufichele Mestre)’
Oh, My, Michele Mestre’ taxenenatankexxe Madame Mestre I don’t know

was a man. I've never met hin, don't know anything about him, I know

there is 2 Michel Mestre who has written a number of booka,on the Congo

for Baspero. Had nothing to do with Verges “although Verges did put out Arr

| anything about. Michel Mestre is one of Maspero's people. I thought it
i feelers to get this person, man or woman, to work for Revolution, ek repeal
eaflee Eire. “ “tit, ET, EP EE “eae | WR AE

He wasn't successful, It was part of his general campaign of leaving

Maspero with no authors at all. %

(rosa nd Ainslie)
c Qu: Ara),
She's married., She works for the East German news agency APN She is

obviously connected with the South African Communist party. She is a member

{ of the Congress Alliance in South Africa and she is married to an Indian.
i several
_‘y She hasjgeme children and she lives here in London. She comes from a
x .
wealthy family in South Africa, I imagine. She was found by Patricia
|

Mggowan Pinheiro to work for Revolution, That floppedy after a short
period, They didn't know which way to go, to stick with the Algerians or

° stick with Verges. The business of the magazine bébng pro-Chinese by
e4ydr- Js be

no means was obvious, nor ever chea® in Ver es's mind/ une magazine vasnet
pro-Chinese-for an awful long tine, pene ye question of being pro- <F_
\ Chinese. Certainlfy not when I was hired. It was Algerian, that was all,
Gamericans attending subversive sabotage school in Prague))
I never heard of a subversive sabotage school in Prague. The Americans
ee (who were)
that I have known,going through Prague have gone to Havana. Eh
Cretveen Moscow and Havana en route))
Yes. I GoFm don't know anything about a subversive sabotage school.

I don’t doubt that there migbt ‘bo one. I imagine there's one im Washington

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too.
fa wever heard of it. Either one)
(Laughs) :
(current addresses of som of these people) )

@11, who do you want? C&A now, has no address. He sleeps around

i everywhere. He literally was sleeping on my floor at one point.
If you had told me, I could have brought my book. I gave you peopte whoa | j

!
: I contacted on ny trip. Httnt .
; da

‘ Hamsa Aine ‘ I can give you his- 74 Hxzsaemzk Roadk London NW 12

2  PALN- they have an office here in London. , I don't have much. |
~ Co sen Weert. Oe

Lk WE
Algioré: I have ‘a bigger address book at home.
Ghana

(zou mentioned Dubois. Do you know very much about ie group in “Exucen)
Dr. DuBois had a number of people around him but he ue 2a elderly

man; he was more interested in producing the Africaa Encyclopoedia than

eee oe

i Mannol, a PP. 35, Slatesu S2ttean Srutiores; ie 22 Rug Meze? Mouradidersh, | |
anything else, which he did set up before his death. His wife is nov |

“renounced her American citizenship.* There are a number, of people who are a

close to her ° oF vere close to Br. Dubois such as Or. Alpheus § Lae és r!

AROSE tS

one of the directors of Ghana television. She is a Ghana citizen, she has |

Th Dhaba

the euclyclopoedia, , Ghana Institutes fle was a member of the Communist
party of the US. I think Shirley Graham may have been a member. Certainly
Dr. pubois became a member several years before his death. At the tine of

2 ee eer een en cemepent An NE NAIR rR ae
q
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Br
t
&
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his death he was extremely pro-Chinese and was very mgm unhappy. His wife,

Shirley Graban pubeis, is very pro-Chinese.7 ere is William Gardner Smith,
aa American Negro writer, who works for Ghana ‘padto and who worked with me
at the AgenceFrance Presse in Paris. Smith is chose to Shirley Grahan,
or was. Mayfield; There is a girl by the name of Sieg Angelou, who was
wnarriod, still married but separated, to form i epresentative of the PAC ? ;
Bx South Africa,in Accra. He has been removed from his post for misappropria- :
tion of funds- wed si Make. Those are the ones that I know of.

(subsidiary question- Hammer and Steel rreup »

ae The Hammer and Sted] group in Boston is an alleged Chinese group Lp |

4y Bnet
operates in Bostor, former neers of the US Comnunist Buemp party.

a pC ti Le

Po a
After a period of inactivity has suddenly become active and sot more than

O4e

a few days,’ while I was out of the country , without amy effort on my Claatyy
NiO, Dy Crees pf Ant)

behalf, the had my address here and I received two of their publicatioas.

-U Two recent publications, hare ta-Londes, which vere sent to my London aay
address. So someone here/“someplace, bas seat them my new addres:..

N datriee,. Than
Very interesting that they should have it. We had am exchange with—the-

Qués
with Revolution, but I had not kept this mex up. They have ese ornes a

= Bi fhe i
so-called New England party of Labor ‘which is supposed to be an Chinese «=~ } 7

ae emer

party, Marxist-Leninist } party And is * opposedy an and they give the reasons for

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their opposition, to the xswetesdiateizketitex frogressive dabor group and
to the Pestet® PoC, Provisional Organizing Comittee for a new Marxist-

Me ene

Leninist party which ke saxeicex was an old pro-Albanian group. Progressive
ron
Labor is of course a aplitwort;the Communist party and‘aplit off because

mone

eae emma

ead

of the Cuban revolution angycivil rights question and so forth. POC
almost
has a large number of Negro and Puerto Rican members,/the majority of them.
G@eé has been
Pifhas a number of Negro contacts, extremely active in the South but

ee

has made some serious mistakes. in They had people in Monroe, North '

Carolina, xEsghoxxEiiix after Williana, Faking Williams place they had a :
white mat which is a ridiculous thing to do. They didn't understand what |
i

Tack walenacdan”™
wee oe

nationaliammeans.

This new Hammer and Steel group which has been a sort of group without

a wos ects ° 4

a party, has nov announced the ‘formation of ‘this few England Party of
Labor which _ they. ope will _be the. nucleus of a Boy, Chinese Coamunigt.. Party.ecs i

Rey aE Pe

4a ‘the United States. But I don't know anything about then. Cac fe )

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long were you in Lausanne. \) }

af ERY or

ae ee: <remeenermememeeNeT reone =
on

Decenuber
Froa March, 1963, to Saptenher-of 63, Then I used to go back every

Sh ssc ey .
zonhh 4.” magazine WIG Leer ate A
Comat contact did you maintain there)
With Andersson,

Gia you have any American contacts))

{
Fo. What do you mean- with the Anerican Embassy?
(aay Arab contacts) ; |
Ho. Just the people that came in and out of Andersson's place. But

of the fact that_

I dida‘t . . Being an American I was very much awar (that “everybody

was suspicious of me. So I made it a point not to bother.

sthere any relationsship with :
(er0u talked about Drapeau Rouge#. Is the John Llewellyn Davis iy.

Red Flag) ;
(laughing) Who is John Llevellyn Davis! That sounds like something

out of- - - The Drapew Rouge gxsepriexyeusg is a group of young, Freach

students, university and kicee students who had beea connected with the ;

[we anvh; ten aeial ov i
youth group of the JSU which is the PSU, the=perty,. the Nenni Socialigst :

Party in France. This was their youth group. They were dissatisfied withg.

- - for instaace, the Belgian section, Arras. One of the boys muanezstudan

KO th ewe

had been in béek 8 philosophy class in t® Licee had got in touch with Clea

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or to continue

| SSayxeeuttaned the group and it produced a news letter. He had promised
} then monsy, “They put out one issue, and he never got any money. 3 heard j

that they vere in contact with the Clichy group down aa eee

and were seeking some sort of recognition there, aad /Aanong the things that
they had promised % ¢ they did a self-criticism admitting that they had

done wroug ty have accepted Kiger, . 3 supervision and £@itk saying that they
will «3@ never do this again.
((sonn Lievellyn @x8ag Davis, you say who the hell is he))
Yes.
-) )
(cre talked about Pablof’ Is this Michael Ra¢}. <4

/ fe is a member of the Trotskyist IVth International - or was. He has
been expelled 40s"! his heretical views, not that they all don't have
heretical views, but his were extrenely pro-Algerian. I think he has
becomes an Algerian citizen. He is Belgian, I believe, or Dutc mee be tt ora

SARE EY RET ERA TREES. with <:: Eras
it is Belgian. He was arrested in Holland. He worked fm the FLN during are

{ the War, went to Algeria, was arrested in Holland, spent some tine in peu

in the Bureau de; Biens Vacantes ) wed=tkon later the Bureau @hof the
Socialist Sector. flxe He aug ditincte ae Hn of am ideological nature

and he has very close ties with the Yugoslzvs, spite his Trotskyismu
and he has now been expelled,

Y was released, wiimerextx went to Algiers with his wife and became very active | .
XN |
j

he is also not at all persons non grata with the Soviets, a He has a group
called Pabloites #@.

(Gow did he hit on pablo) )

This was his nom de guerre,&I suppose. ~

Aree emo me ee ee

. «international
He represented for a while a majority tendency in thesTrotskyist movement.

by the American SWP Socialist Workers Party. Finally

qo - expelled. I don't know the ins and outs of the Trotskyists very much.

| Gren did you first run into hin)) - |
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(ah een: VOIR: AARC PTET OEY Serer se ee ae ono apr. «NES wn ls ERR DcReite en see > ie tee
4 fo

| . I heard of him for years. The first time I saw him in the flesh was oO
sitting in a cafe in Algiers. I never had anything to do with hin.
He used to hang out in a cafe which was right under the offices of Revolution :
Africaine, which was sort of a “Oy for European Leftists and whatnot. :

K; tAoalt: Pare ar |
It was called the Cafe Bix Vers ( vibe, Jit ol a pene

(ore he ever have anything to do with Revolution) Bee

He made have had something to do with it later with Harbi but not under

; Verges. |
: ( gf I meant in Europe, not “Algiers. »)

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(io you know anything about the formerly dissident PDP of Montreux¥, "h oss
“Jha Pro-Chinese Communist party of Switzerland) if. -

a a ar

They've got it wrong. There's only one pro-Chinese Communist party and

~

that's the so-called Buxzex Parti Conuniste Suisse, started in Vener

Uf ogee allie
not Montesux, Ware, lestle's headquarters. Headed by Gerard Builtard,
@ small businessman who bas become a member of the PLP, THEt the Conminist

flo (yen laut
Party. When to Albania last year, ¢ummer, as a tourist, and sold the

Albanians on the idea of supporting a breakaway Marxist-Leninist party- Hee.

i og
came back to Switzerland and with five people formed this Swiss Communist

te y
| Party, which grew,’ t! people. Exkk -xBmk Andersson was
j _ Postit. _ . at first, but when the Ghinese took a more” *“*
eh ottd;

view on it in Berne, he went atoug, sed fs‘aay have received some money from
— ee

i y the Chinese, I don’t’ Know. But we know that he » received’ ‘woney fro Albania= nde
x ‘
NY

ee”
: He became increasingly quarrelsones he was very much worried about Anderssa i
hese aN - ~ fy ge eB Ae wy iia ssf
becauset Andersson was exawphaguhtn printing ‘his newspaper, hes- , weedlle

on é The
He, omned this offset press in Lausanneg Anderson also was recruiting people 7,
for the group and he has nore connections inside the Communist party, the

+ {
: ‘ La tol retle ‘te :
| PLP, than ext y aid, since had been only a recent member. The |

Lausanne group became larger than the Verve group. I don't know what |
happened after that. But them relations deteriorated rapidly iad both

the Albanians and the Chinese realized that they had made a drastic mistake. |
Bufiiiara then phoned the Albanians 8h the Chinese in Berne and told then

Bhat if he didn‘t receive 3000 francs by a certain time of day that he

vould denounce Andersson to to the police, Obviously, he didn't receive the
Caren ed oan ary Dad SAD ia Pyne Bone ak {
3000 francs and he went to cet pe ri police, Apparently 288%) knew more than ;
Cees Bullicaed
Bullisara about bia Thea Pak ‘got a delegation and went to the Federal Council
request 2
to the Parlianent in Berne, ind they made an open public sem that X

this foreign agent, this Swedish national, who had taken advantage of

Swiss y, we expelled. The Federal Police came in. They banned
nd there was the grerat blowup.
Revolut Ber otet ier. mer atda't get very far, except that now it is suspected that

Ke fe Soe, wted
Seis no Ore or less subsidized by the Swiss police, that he is keeping + |

oemee Rw .
 edagsnnd his group, is down to about 15 people, according to Andersson. |

to lero acer eee oe a Ae Ene RENE NTS oe

Ke obviously has a srall amounf of money_ which he is not isfinitetye a
(later (ve defini ep a

thchinese. He /told . Andersson, he proposed/Eise, Andersson retire,fron /

a

Tet eee See

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politics if he would “ wommemel ‘be paid the sum of 5,200 Swiss francs,
The reason for this was he wanted to keep the mimeograph machine that
: Qudtresen) . “The fweats
t nn he bad given him asd he was deducting I think he

wanted 7,000 francs altogether for his exit from politics,


but he was willing to deduct the price of the mtmeograph machine.
He didn't receive that either. Bo he can't be considered very (important),
At one point, to show you how silly he is, he was in contact with Kevin 2

Dktvi!
Delman of Radio Free Burope, in Munich, asking him to organize a meeting

for him there. Thisx%1 found out taeeum-..through the Congress for Cultural

> daw oe
Freddom people. Vthiia topic) Saree hata. ~y \i+) sth bis furniture

business and his wine business. He also sells wine.
\.and persons involved ina
(Relationships et Revolution with the ps kutenquenpx Leftiot review

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amen eee

They didn't particularly agree with the views of Revolution but they

were sympathetic severthess. They are Let cis is, some inside the Labor Party,

alagh
people like BEEtD 4; one of the economic advisers, Ga
vers 3 ).

ATTN Oh AEE Os RA IO hn,

Qe
They helped'us here for a while. Hamsa Alavi had friends (among then).

Dennis Phombeah also knew the editors, Perry Anderson, Roger Murray, who

is now in Ghana, “professor # Hodgkins “of the i rican ‘Study

There was no connection other than that, sympathetic cooperation.
They were willing to help. Their views are quite different. They're not
Communists. We weren't Communist! either.

Cathey didn't buy space. You pust swapped ads))

Yes. That's a normal arrangement between magazines. You exchange

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Ctovenent for Colonial Freedom);
lout aed thing o
aMovenent for Colonial Freedom “se the same/\We got very little real
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cooperation from themtxxthoemx Movement for Colonial Freedom. Ye exchanged

Tm

ads, they promised to accept subscriptions on our behalf but Johe Eber, +— >
who is the Secretary}, was very much afraid that he might lose Algerian
support, because Movement for Colonial Freedom @Bfi depends on getting
support from all different African countries, Asian countries, etc.
Therefore anything that might be antifgovernmental in terms of Algeria

he was veryhuch afraid of. He is an ex-Communist. He told me - "What are

| SO em ee ae diet am nee meahn mera nRNe Renee be Nene eR mere

you doing going around with Phombeah? He has been here with Harbi, the
dmged
week before you come with him. Which side are they on?” Phombeab walked
. Cher)
in just as he mutwiwit was saying this, and overheard it. He-was very
enbarrassed, Be had to go on with it. Phombeah said, “I'n just helping all

meraementipteribemce — inammadivaemeebtlipmmen ate heveannmer-aeene «

Pe EO

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I have both children home now. This is mid-term, so the little boy
is out. od
uy exact address stocks) ' Hall an apartment house on Prince
Albert Road, 21-31 engrance. 4th floor.
(cannot give definitive ansver for some tine 2, would advise- play it
reasonably safe, maintain access you bave or could zi reestablish,

My problew short. range. I need zoney by next week. I have pecple

who want me to write things. The things about Revolution, nobody

Hot even to the Chinese. Andersson said in fact they would be rather
Pleased with it, 1f somebody would finally get this off their backs,
because they can't say anything at all. I'm committed to write the

‘As Feet

article for Encounter. There's,a letter, which. is appearing in the SS
oo

current issue of the China Quarterly. The question is what to do vith
mete | the Atlantic: Monthly ‘people. “~ ; Sos SEE

I've got to arrange something quickly. I didn't expect the situation
to crop up quite so quickly as this. It was relatively well taken care
of when I left here, with ny brother-in-law but my wife has gone and

: fied wp, feud wp .—wepe things with her brother which makes it

TY
particularly will care about. That's no enbarracsment to anybody.
extremely difficult. I can probably get some more money, but not very ;
much more out of the Encounter pecple. They have already given me a large

Glut
sum of money, more than they expected-, expected Atlantic Monthly to come

through and pick up ‘eneen eae which they never did. _Xov, Noy, df. 18 . ng

Que OF 2 arn
question of exchange of letters. t A So far as Revolution. sonceraed,

bein erpeyeateme

-Z can continue this arueG, but I have the problem of getting money.
e
“fiat should be self-evident.
Anyway, I shall try to hold things off. I'm going to try to see

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we ameererner es erneen esd An Ee en eel one ee

if I can arrange sonmethingas a temporary emergency measures this afternoon.
ar I can and if I'm successful, then everything will befall right tor Le
the end of next week.

can let you have $200 this aftersoon.))

Paid) 2
That would certainly be a great, “That would be very helpful. That

ea mine tes eens = +

would solve ny needs-~ Thirty-five pounds. How muchis £35, in dollars?
Under $150.00)
« (4 ) )

a ae od

That's what, I need. That's what I actually needy Anmediately. y I

oe

take care of that I'm off the hook until next week. Now I've got to go aad
clear myself with Lasky of Encounter. You haven't been in touch with

tasky in any way, have you, with these Encounter people?
* (io)

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‘ Well, somebody has. Some very strange- ~- you see Sxuuwxia the Congress
i for Cultural Freedom are sort of pushing in the background, and I know

agp

vaguely that they have the idea that maybe, that I mignt like to take a Log hy,

__ fom rongters,-.
Joy with them in Paris. Personally I'm not terribly keen on some of the

bad, fentdes the pay. But worse still, my zife would just about blow

sky high over the Congress for Cultural Freedom, even though she knows

Se ee Tae ree

‘ things the Congress for Cultural Freedom does. Some things are not too |

Chi Quarterly and Encounter were subsidized by the Congress for Cultural

wee eer. ncounte

Freedom. Encounter is no longer. But there has been a lot of hankypank

———

going on between them . Even the letter- I told you about the letter.

They did everything possible to try to keep the editor of Chi Quarterly
te—Eeep from printing the letter, telling him all sorts of reasons, that

it would: blow my cover completely, and then they money..that.I got from

Encounter ofasky, Fsaid well, maybe you won't write anything at all.

—— eee

“ET don*t*know, wtp ive. mie any money at all, send ne off@to write. ”.- ? wl “

la don't know. You're talking nysteries to ne)) '
As I say there are verious people who are hovering around and since }
he rw) {

I've been back, now nere the truth, he hasn't bothered to really,

to find out what I have.

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(coupie of questions occur to me-- you meation the possibility
of going to Paris to work for Congress for Cultural Freddom¥y. . .
Would you also be interested if things worked out, in going back to
Algeria)

Oh, yes.

(To stay)
Sure. Certainly. All I need is a proper cover, Oae—that—te-net-2-—
—_— (pot) .

<a that's; very hard. The suspicions of these groups are extremely
slight. There was a fellows we haven't sentioned. You've probably heard
about Dr. Robert Ramseys#ho was an American who was in Zanzibar. He's now: —
locked up in jail in Algeria. He may Oe berate ee I doubt it. - =
I've sever met him. I think that he’s whi e, fember of the NAACP aad all
sorts of things. I forget what he's a doctor ofpot 1.0. Beater
He was sending out cd letters in favor of the Zanzibar revolutioa. 3
fTen he claimed he was expelled fron at by sinister forces. Be dida't
have a US passport. He was here without a EPassport, For a short time the >
Bational Council for Civil Liberties gave him some support and the next
thing I knew he was in Algeria. Now what is game is, and whether he is
just a a crackpos, God knows. Everytaéeg—Revoloeteranl revoltionary movement —

Geant. st oe .

forth such a bunch of screvballs as one cam oniy'see inside”

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Me

ARR Ge erernepnemimaaetnaae neat UTES WTAE EDTA RI 2 eT COED ETTIOS EAA TD
LAL arent ee ect so te EEN. UR NRA «NIE Ae nee Am me, os
Vat.

a madhouse, you know. z

(nes now in jai1?),

Now in jatt,“n0 harges against him, I understand the US EMbassy is
trying to get him out (laughing). {1 don't know whether Dr. Ramsey was
actually an agent of sone kind, although he had too many confusions to
be really » good agert. Yes, *c2 soxsfused, Thare 58 ree aae wrong.
In any case, what I found was that people vere generally, 1f you had
someting to do and didn't live too lavishly, though Africans don't
question too much on money. This business of @E feathering one's neSt
goes on all over Africa, apparently in Algeria now more than ever.

Andersson said there are large transfers of money EST Algerian francs

hah a2Ven0

into Switzerland ‘being bought up ‘by the opposition even—etiit for their

er en Gus day Rene © so tod

own purposes, One day.

Yes, Pomagr would be a fine-- provided. I could Z. ind. one. reasonable... _

— vargas, Pe etd CPSC ae
- any kind of a newspaper assignaent , a vaguely ‘Left thing, better than

anything else. but the nore innicuocus the better.

(exou said once before, you fit well in Algeria, you didn’t fit well
in Black Africa)

I could move throughout Africa, but one has to Set pen ones - ng.
tooumns}. rofhastance, for me to go to Ghana would create, SR at this

point, innumerable suspicions, but to go to algeria Yee I have people

like GeorgesAracaz wit isa ‘very close personal friend, they xem would /
welcome me, try to find something for ne to do. .

That would be easyy to arnanse- And froa there{I have South African friends.
iq=tee with both PAC and M&@,I have very good contacts. Wherever they

have offices I can move inside. But one has to have some reasonable sort

of ting. On this trip I wuméd used some of the Afro-American journals,

the magazine (Encougater) which was quite successful in some places.

“shy don't I have this magazine. They send it to Berges

1" fact Griffa said,
and don’t send it to ne. Rvertheless with Gri pps there was some suspicion.
and I had the opinion-— #I'm not paranoic and I don't like playing cops
and robbers- or go for cloak and dagger stuff, but I had the opinion
that somebody was watching me, was following me when I left there, which
was one reason why I didn’t see all the people I was going to see.

I knew soze rrodgkyists there who (could) give me some stories about
Griffa’s organization - they're on the fringes of it, etc.- but I just
didn’t go to see them because I thought that Grippa might have someone
wouldn't like the connection: With iis: ,

watching to see where I was ong.

bes oh Fescecapioe

arcdpnyite: tes, anyway.

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1 nn aenaepoemenmie. oa

1 abtk renee oe rete mare ee te ee oe

cere 4t ain

MPT Oe Ds A te nnepRNNIrRNTE AOR | eet ne eee

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(ann be away. . closed on Monday. Washington's birthday)
Oh, my God, is it?

| C(You' 11 have to buy a cherry pie this week end) )
: The kids know all about the cherry tree.
(can you come on Tuesday))
Yes. But my coming in and out of this Embassy is not the best
thing #a@ in the world. Right BUS OSE Monesians, whom I know.
Around the corner are the Cubans who know me very well. All it would
take is one Cuban to see me walk in here...- I can always concoct a reason
but . . I don’t know how many people are watching. For one thing, get,
the British Hone Office, they've had me under surveillance ever since

I've aa here « There's Ro doubt about that. I got a tip on that from “28 be

ws oreg Ga Qe elite on aS Qu ad ee
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As far as ny wife is concerned, she ist Dy nO means a died gre ee - ibe

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Coumun st. She is not a Communist at all, never has been, but 38s mrotl snl

etl cantget her to understand. .

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Tagpe No. 3 Gibson

((What do you think about that ~ Malcohm x))
I could have told you it was com:ng. -

CC Well, you did. You didn‘t single out Malcolm X))
it becones make.
Now comes the real thing. I*°s cciug to atiaax the Algerian etruggle.

You renenber the Algerian struggle throughoutwas marked by clashes between
the MNA and the FLN right up to and after the Iadependence. And this is
what is going to happen now ia the States, as far as I can see. But what

I don't really like is -- there are so many small groups, uncontrollable
little
groups, kids, fifteen-year-tld kids who are plansing to shoot the

President, and that sort of thing. You dom't know how far it goes.
; leading what, at this point. . ene tab
So the idea of being a leader- leader of what? As to Black Ghéttoes, “= = 4h

there this thing-- I don't knov (who responsible).
eRe ou. «=

> secre the URE Oe <1 ai +
(C Do you think that. vas £14$ah))

I'am not at all certain. There are sany, many, many people who would
be glad to see Malcoim out of the way. For one thing, it does resolve
a cettain problem aad that -is, there was a clash, certainly it was going
to come about between Williams's group and Boggs’ men in Detroitx and
Malcole X, people who were more committed to an armed struggle. Malcolm's
;
major contradiction was that he adisux-- logically, what he was preaching
w
gould have led even to negotiations with Washington, to some kind of {
arrangement, or else to am armed struggle, am underground struggle. As sco a
as you on ,
have a vocal leader who is exposed aad who is in the country, one hand !
he knew what was happening. He was very much aware of this proliferation
of groups and activities, like the little bueiness of Walter Bowe, which ;
resiiy
~was_kkeghiz _innocu6uUs;—in~compartson
highly synbolic and almost ingocuous, im comparison with some of the things |

+ eet ie

His trips abroad, most of his btips abroad were in a way - he wanted to
create unity by contacts with Willians and otherzk people, but here, in
Europe aad Cairo. One of the problems that he had was simply in getting

nr emrene Ree rette = ome

Se
to Willians. He dida’t want to go to Havana. He probably could have brought
an extraordinary amoumt of pressure on the State Departuent to allow his ; = |
to go as a journalist or something like that if he really wanted to. But i :

be dida’t waat to, because he dida't wamt to be exposed on political

issue which might have cost him support. So where was he going to see
Williams? Prague, perhaps, Moscow. But he dida't wamt to go to Eastera

sored ene
7 .

UBS eS ae

European countries either.

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TAN Se Hea

"wanted to talks this over.

, evolving, trying to get out of a box. His reaction was that of 1 a Regro who

Washington ))
Exactly. At first the whole idea was that there was going to be a

Black State. This was originally. But no one had any real. . . except for

Blijah Muhammed‘s people -- I think that some, of them did have. You sav
the London Times article todayg?, One of the things that disgusted him with t
the Elijah group was this talks with the American Nazi Party and with the |
Ku Klux Klan, particularly with the Klan, to buy a county, if you will, |
a county in Georgia, which the Ku Klux Klan was going to sell. They vere ‘
going to see that all property in the country was turned over and this vas

going to be the nucleus of a Black State. He felt that the Muslims vere
seeking to perpetuate segregation for their purposes. He really was not 2
'

segregationist nor did he at the end believe in -- he wasn't a racist.

“This is whole thing, backing away from a religous point, from a racist pois ©~ |

trying to find some modus vivendi for a modified Black nationalism. But he

Bia ore <r AOE Ps ie gem 1 Gee Mees. SEGRE bes
Tkinxisxhinx I

don't know if he ever had any
contacts with anyone beside New York City and State officials and police.

He had rather good relations. He was extremely moderate in person and you |
could talk to him. I think this is what he really wanted or what would have
come out of it. He just wanted the contact ~ to feel that there was somebody |:
opposite him. To a lot of these people, xkisx a lot of the stink could be
taken out just ke by talking | to them, not necessarily with publicity.

benefit
(Cif he wasn't involved on the racial or theological grounds, what was))

Not a racist. For instance, it is said that the Muslims are anti‘white

tee eee names see
Sw cetecmewenes wee seme:

and there is an anti-white elemenks, and particularly ana an anti-Semitic

_ directed .
eleuents,against Jewish shopkeepers. Obviously the Jewish shopkeepers,

being exposed, being in the Ghééto, the resentment comes out against them.

Pt os et oe niet tre weenie =k

Im Kew York it comes out against the Jewish element in the garment district.

#
q

as many Negroes work in the garment district. It is unskilled, uaderpaid.
and sveat shop type of thing. I must say that Malcolm sometimes played
this tune himself. He knew it was facile, and also it pleased the Arabs.

fxepyxngx from whom he received considerable support.

“(You mean the Cairo type Arabs?))

Yesx, the Nassertype. I don't know how much tupport he ever received —
financially, but I think ghey did receive support. And also the Black
Muslinsx did receive support at certain times. It was ao accident that
he set kup a headquarters in exile in Cairo. He did go to Ghana and I kaow
that in Ghana he was attacked by the orthodox Marxists. They are the first

to Jauach an attack, for Black fascism or something. i feel that he was -
dete HARE RES - oa ctagee! AE as Sane nag EE Sees. yet


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IPAS SHEE

y Gao ep in a Ghetto, who becomes a criminal under pressures, he is intellignt “
he 1x extrozely istelligeat. Wot an intellectual but far more capable as
ap organizer say, than Williams. Williams is utterly hopeless. And He is not }
slow to catch ideas, but he has certain fixed ideas t#hich have developed, i
certainly under pressure. Malcolm was soving and he as a figure could
nave done a lottoo.
((Was this a maturing)) |
Yes, a maturing, a process of facing reality also. I suppose this is an
explanation to a large extent of why there are so many children who are |

young kids, who are
really involved iafthe nationalist movement?. They're facile, frustrated.

They don't know what elsei They feel that the older organizations are

: there is sort of a Black bourgeoisie for whom there is now in general a

i acapable of doing anything for then. There is a class ting. They feel that |
has sold them out, but they, |

possibility of integration,,. but they who,,live-iarthe-Ghettoess: who. goto say

the bad schools, who come out of poor homes and so forth, by the tine !
their
they're sixtean,thex their hope of, the real hopesbt integration, of

being something in contemporary American society, is dead. It's this

and the family even. If a child greows up in a home where they don't have
books- there is a great difference between 2 Jewish child in the Lower
East Side,xzudx no matter how poor that family, motivated by a hems long

lor he he:
Jewish tradition, exxxxnUx and a Megro child or,a Puerto Rican child,

whole business, the motivation in schools, the good schools, the housing
| Middle Class ideals are beginning to sink down into the dayzishxaenx Negro
community, but among Puerto Ricans there is an even greater gap, so I
understand, Steatham

Many of these Negro kids, they just feel this enormous wall around
them, and one of the things that I am most aware of, even-- when I was
a child, I grew up in Philadelphia. Many of my friends were white. Fe
lived in a neighborhood in West Philadelphia which had Negro and white
Irish, Ceietise, Jevish people, Italian, in proximity. Lived in the same

block. That neighborhood now is solidly black. The Shool I went to was

today, yhrough real estate, through housing, than there was 20 years ago.

(( Is this intentional or is this because this was an area that was

hr bike
always mixed. Now most of these schools are black. There is mordy segregati
mimad and where a Negro could move in and so Negroes did.))
Yes. One of the problems is that around most American cities the city
line marks the end of expansion for Negroes. They can't move into the

suburys. A middle class Negro who bas money can move into the sububjs.

And what areas they can move into are filled up . The whitas flae ant of

t the city, xi ‘|
- ((Washingtoa would be the primary oxample of that)) :
Washington is that much more complicated because you are in the nidst
; of the Southern States. Except that I notice, I have relatives that
live around Washington. As a kid I used to go to Washington every summer.
‘ And going out towards Chevy Chase and Montgomery county, the Maryland side,
' there is a certain desegregation that has gone on. Obviously on the Virgini« |
side it is the opposite. Also the Maryland counties to the South. That is
a@ more segregated area. That is also the history-- the sort of slave line.
in Maryland before the Civil War sort of went where Washington is now.

across the State, to the South were they grow tobacco there was slavery,

to the North there was ano slavery. And there was a great deal of

intermarriage- not intermarriage “put racial internixture. I have relatives

Le A eeeetnnemmmanee same. ane

who are to all zatents and purposes white. ben. I was a. ehild and. A WORE ccosiats

Wyo. kW OY oe . Tienes Es

there in the cumer, I really had no real awareness of race. It was a

ae ees

curious packgionsa of interracial mixture, that had gone on just before
vy het. a ola ae se a!
and after the Civil War. Now that has changed considerably., That’ s in

af

Montgomery county.

“st

I brought the address book.
CCIt's extremely interesting to consider the racial problem at home
but I would like to finish this up.))
yn Yes. What sort of addresses do you want.
\ ((The people we talked about)) ;
uly im Blt hy f
vee wv This is Hassan Riad. amoud is. his Rane, we aip-bave-Aueer. Boit. postale
ye of Lio ~ Dike, emeger
“ Ju. Amiabel. was a Canadian, former Communist. He was setting up, he did
set ap a pro-Chinese group sear Vancouver. Apparently there was considerable

activity there. (6323 Marine Drie, Barnaby 5, B. CQ, CanotoaZ

This is address of the Mulana. To the best of my knowledge ve toe fe
agever heard from hing yet CBhashan’ -% faenslec erheby , f Ke Hole feoglen
; wesska Is a very interesting person, in Holland. He Hcen a man €
works with Andersson occasionally. He is not a Communist, is a vague
Leftist with the Christian Pactfists, the Pacifist Socialist Party, in
Holland, which has gathered in a strange grouping of Leftists. He has

and Algerians.

contacts with the Angolanas. He coer to Algeria quite often. I have a feelin’
ariel ’
he is sonewhat consected with the Girtcot people. (Vinken straat 73°


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j
¢ VA Chartain xia, you know. He is secretary general of the Partie Social-
iste de Quebec and is of course very much connected with the Cubans. And

sewn

has had a great deal of contact with American Negro groupsx of the Left.

! - Gux, Congo, in Brazzaville. It's so open, and so obvious, you know.

. otide hevtar 43777, Zoart
They used to send Bees eae - tere fa % of My. fesse £5332 hog |

, Xn Colombia, Alfoaso Quettea- tnis address is where tHey receive
Y Not (7)
Special materials. Things that they think will get by the censorship.
These things came from peking. They came to Revolution.
x The one great advantage of Revolution was if one watched it closely

you could find i. . at one time, not any more, but certainly in the arly

a eee ee at en

period, they weren't told by the Chinese to come there but they had
lands LICR. Cab 53, Ab, 63-30, Bards Colresbia.)
seen Revolution on sale. 17 ‘
Colonia Anahuac Mexico D.F.
Federico Guery, was a Mexican settier, who had been in Peking and was
4 be citizen ..
supposed to representitig shot Mexican Marxist-Leninist group, the pro-

“¢, Cok. Anabste thaxine 17, Df)

Re iBeecjac ECM

ooo

Chinese group. C Tizoe
PERRO. oo ects RTE Ye
Jurema Finazour, this poor Brazilian. who was involved in a most vague

woman- think it's a woman- on the magazine, actually never received autgin
anything from her. I heard later that she was pro-Moscow, certainky not

4

i wv
way. Verges put this person's name- I don't know whether it is a man or
pro-Chinese. She's probably in jail now, after the coup down there.

ximexdexnnexkazoux
FALLOT
mM. ¢ MucJean Firyou. This is the fellow who was Communist leader in the
still

Haute Loire, who is the only one who is still supposed to remain in contact.

Le Chambon sur Lipran khutifoifveryoty knows Mrs. Gunantaine . The

Russians claim is parachuted everywhere. (Po. Bog 360, Dept 245; Fike)
Vi Geen Goldenberg, in Peking, is Chilean. He works, think he works,

a

inside of the Foreign Languages press. He is correspondent for El Mundo.

of Havana. At one time he was correspondent for the Cuban radio. He was

with Chinese money and offered to do this, when he came through Paris,
iutx about a year ago. Verges managed to avoid ever giving him any answer
on this. He actually offered to bring the money. for this.
, hw Sa- yin. Very interested in the magazine. She sent
V material from Cambodia and Verges does have some contacts in Cambodia,
someone in the office of “erodom Siggndte 4 prenchman, 1 think his name

is Mayer. He was close to the chief of state.

Elpheus Hunter. W. A. « Anyone would know him in Accra...

ty

&

@ very curious fellow. He wanted to set & up a Spanish edition of Revolution |

4

kf

Lt
A a 8

wun

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Bis group at the university of Glad, wh ao longer exists, so £gnI'n
told.

D Muhowncs Sard Flat Ot Corto
Masso K TAL AWA, e ae the. Japanese representative to the Afro-

f Asian Solidarity aes - He used to pass through Paris yuite
regularly. ¥ don't think he is there any longer. Was much interested in
the magazine. He used to use the paazadx pseudonym of Walter Johbssis

sometimes.

. TIT

a) SwAPuy
Karine ‘ was one of the leaders of the Seepo of

Southwest Africa.
used to send in articles. I knew him personally fron

New York.

ET Raeerewrer
eee ete we

has been going back and forth between Peking and also
Wast Germany and West Germany. He's playing all sides. on this’ Southwest °° >" - ~
Africa thing.

Ser: Aca Covengies “~ ds the head of athe “the. “other "Southwoat ‘Africa “group. ,

Gunna 4 war) Catan,
Cysane iq They have a unity. . once there was a struggle between Gortna

and eexengiti. BO. tually eliminated. Coctea is an American agent, :
and so forth. The Last story that I heard about Corte was that he vas
working for the Peace Corps in Bechuanaland. These are the stories that
they circulated. EES nas been unable to hold up his end of it.He is
kind of sulking. And colu% hasn't helpt him at ann. Soefeagix |

0 AE ce ee a Se RN co a |

ah
has embarrassed people i rer and over- - ponomanta ani works .
: 1GOa Fieeveg. fe Lond wv
A hlal ra him, KAR © special representative now, in London, for Verges.
\

He is in Singapore. His article on Malaysia, against Malaysia, was greatly

Tes eee Oe

appareicated by the Indonesian government and a large number of copies
of the issue of Revolution which contained it were bought up and i twas

later reproduced. We received from Indonesian Embassies all around sub-

sexiptianz. orders for that issue. Subscriptions came from the UN, their

missions to the UN, perhaps here in London.

A cada. Screwee, P.O. Box QOH Becter.
Tar Mayfield iin Ghana doesa't use this sar ek as often as he used to.

vA

because he is now editor of something called the African Review. it is

& pow magazine.. Phone 717032,
EIN, PULL, - Amste/kade. 7S, OREO Bane
Jf Now here's an interesting fellow- Mena, I aver quite figured bin
\ out.

Surmam .
Be is a Buek-Prom nationalist. im Amsterdam. He is close to almost

all the Left parties. there. He pretdnds to be Marxist but claims that he
is not involved in the Sino-Soviet pehicn. He doesn't want anything to do
with that. That is the reason he never wrote anything for the magazine.

epee tiides

though I did see him. x

See PERE. ©


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Carlos Moore. I have no address for him. He is an Afro-Cuban boy

eres

whom I first met in New York. He is in Paris and you might be able to reach bo

him through Presence Africaine. He snppesediz was writing a book about Cuba
He was very much involved with Nobert Williams,with Malcolm X, he is
extremely young but very active in kady -~——— - He is of Jamaican
origin. There is a Jamaican minortty in eastern Cuba, in Camaguey and
Oriente Province. That's how you get names like Moore, etc. His father and

brother live in New York, his notherts still in Cuba. He went back to Cuba

oneness Re

after the Bay of Pigs, and went to school there. He became very disillusioned. |
ye left, claiming that there was racial discrinination and so forth in Cuba.

awk —<_—.

jie “tel dour to Ca Cairo. He managed to get out, and he went on 2 Yugoslav ship,

i think or a Greek ship, and got to Egypt. He had met some Angolans.
stp - Ee
; the UPA who had been in Havana and they took care of him for a while

eo ecm i amen

- mati there yas.2. a SPIE inside of. the UPA, and. the fellow _Fho bas. waa a

quit and went to Switzerland. He brought Moore out to Switzerland. Then

Carlos wound up in Paris, where still is, to best of my Knowledge.
He supposedly has written an article for Presence Africaine whick is
violently counter-revolutionary. He claims there is no revolution.

His position, is relatively aitavre. - It's not terribly justified.

But what I think is, that here is a case of Black Nationalism in the States
being transported to Cuba. What he claims is that the only Cubana revolution
that remains to be made that would be valid would be a black revolution.

and that realljy the population of Cuba is overwhelmingly black,or of Africas
descent, and that this has been a plot that has gone on for generations

even now #ith Fidel Castro, particularly Dorticos, he claims, the white
leadership has been able to perpetuate itself regardless of the political
thing. This is his theme. He is interesting but extremely wild and emotional.

f
he might be worth talking to.

ERI» penetra eovenemmerennne els nantes nant

The Congress for Cultural Freedom people were going to try to get in

_I think it’s a case where the intoxication of Harlem never went off. Anyway |
correct. I don't think so. He claims of course that I am completely blinded

by ay pro-Castro sympathies.He claimed that Williams was very unhappy for
racial reasons im Cuba. I thought that Williams was simply unhappy, Ne

coulda’t speak Spanish. He was under pressurex from the American Communists
and Soveit Communists that dida't like hin, the old Cuban Comaunists,

which was one of the reasons for his wholeshearted tura towards Peking.

° touch with him but they weren’t any too convinced that his thesis was
( That was the osly way out... And he wanted to come back to::the States. . -


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The FBI was in mo mood- we could probably have arranged xomsti§ something

me

werent that is that he was a fugitive,
if the Federal thing wasxkz going to be held against him, that Rockefeller i 5
. likely *.
woulda’t extradite him "Kew York. There were talks on this. A bBawyer by
, the name of Conrad Lynn had discussed this xxktk, a Negro lavyer who was |
a party called
connected with the Freedom Now Party, another Black Nationalist group,

one of the reasons for its failure. This lawyer was well aware of Williams's

i
s ‘
buf with basically a Trotskyite front. <t was put up 99% by the FWP which was
1
desire to come back to the United States if he could stay out of the hands

convinced me that they were in no mood whatsoever, even though they realized

what the situation was.

of a North Crolina lynch aob. The one talkg I had with the FBI people
/ , (Pau arene Press - FO, $164 —- Pike PrimL Bot FIST, . sorter

1 ane eemmomiromeemes to mea ee ae

Pinto is a very curious fellow, Pinto is a man who is close to Fenyatta.

eee

up with Odinga, not openly in any case, but vho is sort cf playing all

i rte OR a SL ae tp ami

. the Pp .
Ia Kenya. who has or is involved with @ Paa-African press, who is not booked f
sides, looking tor hand-outs. I uderstand that he -received substantial

Fun
: betp from Russia, so that he has shown more Muscovite color than any otber.
: x. 4€ Barcombe, Lowa wos?
: William, Pomeroy ,is the American who was captured with the Huks in the
Philippines, you remember? He lives here in London, more or less retired
from politics except that he writes. That's how he earns his living. |

But he depends sore or less on the good graces of the British Labor Party

TN ane oe *

the Left of that party and the British Communist Party to stay here.

Philippines and the present Leftward turn in the Philippines -
Progressive
There is an outfit called the Philippine Review which I think we (Revolution)

gave publicity to- here it is- - the Progressive Review. Jt is connected :
{

i{
i
| What he has to say about the failure of the guerrills campaign in the
with Pomeroy. They are about as Communist as they can get under the present
xud an
law of the Philippines.They have hopes of what they call tha Anti-Imperialist

~

ground swell, in other words, am anti-American trend ip the present govera-
ment. They felt that the anti-Malaysia campaign might help, and the editor
bas been very much in contact with the Indonesians. He has been to Djakarta
om several occasions recently. He is in contact with Pomeroy. Pomeroy’s

of what he says
position is one inwhich he has to be very carefulsbecause the British

Communists will dump him. His wife is Philippine.She can't get an American

|
i

visa, so they have to live here. This makes him the captive of a certain
part of the British Labor Left and the British CP. His book, The Forest,

2 rte omnia rep nena eae ONC eee GRE em NF mp er YEP Ht

was published here and in the States by Communist publishing houses.{it is
' am account of the guerrilla campaign in the Philippines, at least his

personal account, but he pointed out to me, that it is also an account of

oro een cme nian

‘its failures. He has tried to keep out of the Sinc-Soviet thing but I have *

a feeling that if the situation ia the Philippines changed both he and
d
Bis wife would like to go back there. This is what he may be going (working

+ nonin e+

for) through his contacts with the Progressive Review. I don’t knows how

|e they have contacts with the -sople inside the Philippinexx government |
but they clain to have. ) . .. |

ha ant Caar, Deut &, b an
V5 pibagt 8 Mocniv

el vas an ratren from Bomb 22; wréte several
among Other things,

articles. He is a business man and I imagébe a rather successful business

with the pro-Chineseving of the party. .
i d o.
MadxgxKmadi Modhav Hunj: . sv C2 Boubay % 7 j

ne ene cece

Strelkoff address — /5/ Gut. Sufvin, Tero IS, A SUK 506
88 C.0. SIETHLAGE
Nex -lage . froa Auster jam ig the head of the Cuba ‘Group. the con
ee TRY Ping - EASE

Cuba committee ina Holland, She is very prominent in this Pacifist Socialist

t

i man. Heis in on the fringe of the Indiaam Communist Party and now involved . |
fae & i
 Partysc:8he,da-vesy” 1° Cube ,oneyias despite beradvanced.age sii |

she is seventy-sone, and very active. She rare
Brila SKARD, % GImMVAZS, & 14 Stutentbyen, Qete, tows |
Sklaar is a student leader in Norway. I thiak she :
now a member of Parliament. She did a lot of publicity for the magazine.
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| Dr. Leiva Samper-"° €o tater cardiologist and seems to be quit |
a distinguished one. He is a bea eceea (C39 Faas, alan ag! Tal “
| _ehvantegnbmgs ag py tars, bag" uw |
| Manuela Seces is a member of the Liberal Party, She's a standing
candidate for Ipswich, very pro-Cuban and pro-Algerian. She’s got a lot
of influence inside the party because of who she sleeps with. I don't |
| know who it is, but I've heard aa awful lot of stories. 1
ese Torredad 7 Cera £, “1 O vaaa ts fades het and member of
eo oer - gupposedly very very interested in the magazine. |
He is a friend of Mxxeesz Martha Dodd, you may find om the cards the aagaria {
was going to him c/o Martha Dodd at the Havana Libre hotel.

Martha Dodd had nofcoutact with the magazine. She seut reportedly had
| taken quite a pro-Chinese position but to be so hopelessly compromised with
| the Czechs and Russians that she can't say too much except en cachet, to

everybody she meets, especially young people. Whether this is her real
attitude or not, I don't know. She might also be doing this to gaia the
confidence of people. There is so question that Veaturelli is her very
i close friend.
| “” Costas ec rogolous (7) is a studert group leader from Greece, who
| edited a Magazine in cred called Africa Asia Latin America. It was a |

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:. q@queut-down version of Revolution. and represented for the Greek youth,

the left wing of the 56. EOA-

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who were unsatisfied with the reformist tactics the Social democratic

tactics of the ye and EDA&x youth. He got in contact with the magazine

he wanted matefial to reproduce in Greek. I suppose he did. I took

one year of Greek and I know nothing of modern Greek, I could just about

°

make out the title.
. : my
Pierre taltaay 2 is a Canadian Communist who was setting up

ee,

a thing called Revolution Quebequoiss. He was dissatisfied witb Chartaia.

He had keen epzs close to Chartain and he was going to be holier than t
Chartain. He worked for La Presse, which seas on strike

Sydney ‘MAVASIMGHE was Sa Celonsse Trotskyist ia member of the sunth
Lanka mam,
conmittee of the peek ye arty before it split. the militant part
to 50 .- more likely 25
of it split. He distributed I think 25,copies of Revolution, each issue. . oe
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I understand that his group of the Trotskyists were more pro-Chinese

thas the pro-Chinese:.wingof: the Cepfacse ‘Communist part¥S We tried toot? ==" ni

us to take their magazine in exchange.
That covers all of the real addresses that I have. |
((at this poist let’s take stock of you. Is your kid back in school?))
Yes. “ i

((You're not under pressure)) . ;

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Ro. Thank the Lord, I‘ve got that off the hook for a little while.
22 (( You have largely answered the question- What is the function
of the Advisory Board of Revolttion))

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Nothing more unless it was to give prestigex to the enterprise. This
is why it keeps growing larger and larger. First it started out as an
editorial board, then he changed the title, to advisory board. thea he
calls it permanert collaborators. I don’t know why. He clained that

under French law you had only exemption from seizure if you were really
French ~- - now I do know what it was- - one issue of the magazine was

seized ia France. That was No. 7 which had Ho Chi Miah on the

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cover. It wasn't seized for Ho Chi Min, but because of an article on

Reunion and the French West Indies. It was a platonic seizure, more in the

tee

way of a warning. The seizure order came down after the matazine had been
distributed. There were virtually ao copies picked up-. Undsstributed | >

and returned copies were seized but the money wasn't seized. That's about

the nicest way you cam seize a magazine. It was a warniag. And he felt

that am editorial board made sf up of foreigners didm’t give him exough
protection in Frasce. That was the reason for changingx to permanent

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I still can't think of his nanet-- but his daughter was put in ae Albanian

school. Poor girl, about eleven years old, and she didn’t know a word of

‘ They certainly are quite active. Por instance, the Colombian I mentioned- }
Albanian and most of the Albanians didn't know Spanish. She has managed to

suffer through a year of it. @ It is very interesting to talk to this |
little girl, now about 12, She was in Cubda,shere yuu might think of tire

revolution as extremely informal lax in many ways easy-going. It's a
libertarian type of revolution. Certainly it hasn't had the puritannical

type of after-period that one finds in most revolutions, certainly te.
and—these—the—puritans in China which proves a great obstacle for the

Africans who go there. They are virtually unable to keep African students

ES HET vem,

because of the fact that there is no sex. They used to let them go to

Dest ee,

ome

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RongXong and they would all come back with syphilis and gonorrhea to the

vende great disgust of the GRE Rese oo TRAS. SAE Ls, BRO. seemed to. xkek _ Re Cuba, . on... “tf

in Albania was shocked by the degree of formality of relationships and
for instgance she said that at the beaches -- in Cuba all the bsaches
were open, anybody can £% go to the beach. In Albania they have, as I

suppose you find im many Communist countries, high officials, middie

ie a mentee ene oe enamametlpans

officials, low officials and then just plain working people. (ajd :
BODRCROELY) « This to her was s (shocking). Whe wasm't aware of politics
as such and that is what made talking to her so interesting.

((What do you think of Cuba nowadays?))

enow one thing, that the PS? has virtually been defeated in every
way, the old Comaunists. I vaqvery much involved, obviously, the Cubans
who were ay friends waxe Consuniste. I suppose that one of the things tHat
made the Cuban revolution attractive was that it wasa't doctrinaire.
For Americans, college students, the young people, «x after all of the
years of disenchantment about revolution as such, the Cuban revolution

looked like a romantic thing. It was extravagant. All these bearded

fellows coming out of the mountains, and anyone who went to Cuba coulnad’t

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help but feel the contagion. rt
(C(I think there was a sympathetic feeling within the States because
it was not alien to our own revolutionary background, the idea of little

“ele nes

nenhiding behind trees shooting at the Redcoats.))

Bight. Only they were shooting at Batista’s troops who were armed by
the United States. This is one of the things that many Americans are |

unable to realize, how deeply involved the US is with these military regimes.

pr ane

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The Fidelista youth were not Marxist. They are more so today than

- they were before, but they have had this experience of dealing with the
United States - - I have had a lot of argugments with them about it.
For izstance when they came to the United States int- - #@ March of 59,
you remember, Felipe Pasos (7) came, Fidel went to Washington and he vert
to New York and it was extraordinarly badly handled. Christian Herter
wouldn't see him at the State Department. He insisted on taking a hotel
suite, rather than do that. Gertainly it wasn't an official visit but
a lot of people have gone to Washington xxx. . . Then it was a question
of whether the Cubans wanted money or not. The Cubans claimed,

« « « that they asked for $3,000,000 on short term credit, just a stop-gap
and that this. was turned down cold, until they. eA, wade some guarantees

cea

about American property. From that point on I think that their attitude

sataeestowards the Uni ted<States was -GusTORVeEbect LagyTSoking “for “thé wore
Theyjere @ble to work out a few arrangements with zxfex Americanconpanies
concerning take-over! EAch time, they were eetoed by the State Department
or someone else, who said don't go into this, because w2 want to have a
solid front, no ome should make an agreement with them otherwise.

It was provocation and counterprovocation. They would do something
then there would be American astien reaction, then a Cuban counterreaction
until it was real escalation, diplomatically, to the point at which it
fell completely into the hands of the Russians. That could have been
short-ciecuited and prevented. They really are not happy where they are
now. They want some independence, aperey the Soviet Union. Ideologically
they are not very happy with the Russians. They have managed though to
maintain incredible independence, not signing the nuclear test bam agreement,
they have never mide any anti-Chinese statemerts at all, though Fidel
came very close-- he did in one of the statments where Kruschev mentioned
peaceful coexisteace, and said that there had never been disagreement
with the Russians over the missiles .xxxxxxxx In actual fact they were
toiling. They were furious about the missile business. This left a bad
taste in their mouths. The Escalante business, you know the :
of the old £ PSE aif gaing to take over aad: create a faction which would
displace the romantic revolutionaries, if you will. It failed but that
didn’t mean that Carlos Rafael Rodriguez and more capable technocrats
inside the party didma't continue. They failed. Now Carlos Rafael who
had the highest place of the old Coamunists is out as you know. And alsost

-all of them went out at this point...
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well, that’"“he‘’s an anti-Communist’. Which is true. He is a nationalist.

the Cubarz Cultural Attache fa Brussels, whom I know very

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®hat’'s all. And that's the one thing that keeps him there. But he and

many of the people like CArlos Franqui and around Carlos Franqui and

|

Haidee Saatamaria. her hnabaad, who is the N.inister cf Bducaticn, thoy
| are liberal, in their views about the arts, they are non-dogmatic, nor-

doctrinaire, Leftist if you will, but Leftist by situation and circumstance ,

They represent, if there is anyone in Washington who still hes a sober

about Cuba ard ih
mind/who is not completely filled with venon/ar - ana/{rustration- on

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about Cuba, they would, I think, represent the real hope of reaching a |
modus vivendi in the future. They are the real heirs, I think, the people

“i> who will ‘take over. I do not think the psf can do it. They have the mass |
It is always said, that i

support in the couatry behind them. Jf anything. Vv happens. to Fidel  -vvargisden
extheresis ou: 3 ale Sie Lee Bo PY ISR, Aa oe
andthe Slightest suspicion that it was done by 2 Communist, there wouldn't ;

about

be a Communist left alive in the Island inAfive hours. These were many

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people who felt that the Comaunists would have liked to do this. At one

time it became almost a hysterical rumor spread around that the Communists

oo ene enna,

wanted to kill Fidel.
The bitterness that I fouad agaiast the old Communists was because, .-.

they were compromised with Batista. Even now, this explains their pro-

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Chinese stand. But that car't go very far, either. Because they are not : |
doctrinaire. The Chinese have been extremely flexible in dealing with
Cuba - they can't offer them very much - and they can't push them, so |
they have been easy-going. - - - The handling of the October
crisis between the Russians aad the Usited States whem they got ktmjx
together over the heads of the Cubass, was an insult. Being a small couatry
Azational rights. This was, in terms of Cuba, aot the worldyxbatxnfxtubz, ms

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and semi-colonial, {It was a colony, it has am exaggerated sense of -
Situation im general, fox the cain “> it was the only way to ' ¥-
solve the October question, it seened to be the only way, but in the teras ;
of Cuba that was ome of the grave mistakes of the Russiamas. The way the
hardled it. They didn’t seem to soften the blow for the Cubans.

((They're very sensistive people.))

Right. And they've never forgotten it. They have nourished lots of

age

hopes about DeGaulle aad the possibility of trade with France. Trade is
increasing, Wux they've tried desperately to get DEGaulle to visit Cuba

which he wouldn't do. He. would do Jots of things against. _Nashington, mt 4

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Bvery Fresch delegation to Havana, eves one gust recoatly, I heard duss ; y
Fidel went around sayingn- why doesn't De Gaulle come ard visit us.
xThere is a Gaullist group, France -Cuba (7) » not the Comnsunist, !
there is a Communist organization, There is also one inside of the L
concerned with Cuba
government partyjand they have made recommendations for imreasing trade. |
One of the things also encouraged is the increase of Spanish trade. |
Ironically one of the, heroes oF Cuba is FE ABCO, because he comnts auld Sf whe 1
trade," 2% Pyare token tobnabes.“ ‘I have a feeds that thes Spanish
attitude has some totwece on the Freach. I would imagine that they hope
thet eventually this will be communicated to the West Germans.
Cuba certainly, I feel, if they did have sxehaiesx diversification of
trade and an opening horizon -~ becausé:60 many probleiis. with the United .

goverament or
States become emotional problems that no matter what the head oF pthe

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State wants to do, you've got the problem of how té put it Betore the ~ He
Congress and publie opinnon, which bes been so sensitized to it that this
is the problem of American statesmanship that you don’ t have in any other
“He fren! *
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piaces. De Gaulle? *~ t* “5 but even he wouldn’ t go beyond a certain

point.

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settlenent.t Vi

(Cin two minutes, that's your prognosis for future #WxBub US-Cubana |
relations.)) ||

It depends very much on the United States. I think, I know, there are
elements in Cuba who are more than willing. But they don’t want to be --
pushed. The trouble is that when a Cuban talks to America, the next question
is “when pre you going to get rid of the Red regine,’ or something like that™
That is the end of six the dialogue. I would xsmaguiukxthxx imagine that it
would have to be through talks. I understand - this is one thing thatthis
Carlos Moore, the Afro-Cuban boy who is extremely anti-vevolutionary-
he says he wants a Feal revolution. He worked in the Foreign Ministry

What he was

at one tine.; le used to claim that Dorticos and pepe people around
Dorticos are very very anxious for a rapprochement with the United States.

That they would love to have coatact. I certainly know that Dr. Roa, Foreign

Minister, wanted somehow to have contacts, more direct corntacts. He kas

had a problem too, that in public he coulda’t say anything, and whenever

he was in New York he was boxed in.z

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Similarly, isn't
sensitivity that you spoke about.3x Zsn%tzreazizz the Cuban population

sensitized in such fashion as to come up with a comparably provocative and

und dialogue-ending remark.))
the
It seems a little bit less. One of the problems is that of Cubad

|
immigration. There isn't in Cuba, to the best of my knowledge, a broad i
anti-Americanism. Always xm even in Fidel's speeches, he makes a distinction

between the American government and the American people. fham There is |

a very open nosve vr about the Cuban counter-revolutionaries. They may

nephews, and almost everybody has some one among them, from Fidel on down.
((The exiles in Miami and elsewhere))
That's right. They | are. relatives. Just as the.treatment for instance

Samy ae
of the people ‘at the Bay of Pigs- which was extraerdinary. In many cou itries :

ey er NS RE Oe Oe ee tn ae eS

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be counter-revolutionaries but they also happen to be uncles, couains, , |

: n,' oeee, eT Vette ty te RA ae
Spens acecpeeac «Chey: would have been ezine country, they-would® have ‘taken thes “all oat@ 2 cd
and shot them. There they weren't alowed to beat them; they said they

: fuptxeatixerse eh ws
! “had been misled” and so forth. This uasxfexxprepsganex for

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propaganda, this was a feeling. I have seen it happen over and over again
They might shoot someone. They did, they shot three people, a Batista
sergeant and some others. It was an incredible gaffe thextxxuxnig@ to iaclude
among these people an old Batista torturer. He was shot Aad sp-octmaat. aarliakaal
i I have been told by people who have been there recently that you have only
: to say that you are an American to get a sympathetic audience around you
immediately. People want to discuss with you, why did they do this, that.
You see they caa hear Miami. They listen -to the American radio all the ;
time, and they listen to Zadio SWAN. I heard Radio SWAN in Cuba. Radio ;
SWAN M&Sx& was a CIA radio operated off of SWan Island off of Nicaragua.

ne ene adcras] i

anf island which is claimed by Nicaragua’ but in actyal fact is possessed ;

Lidarwstowrero ;
by the United States (laughing). The Nicaraguans have never been able to

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persuade us to leave. We just have some sailors on it. They built this

" erormous sadio which broadcast to Cuba. It wasn't am official radio. It
was called Radio SWAN. It was a CIA operations. It was so crude, it was
really pathetic, the type of thing-- people are starviag, that type of
thing. Now this was directed at Cuba and whea you have propaganda like

16 weds pete mes nate +

that - xit it ts very little that can be confirmed. You say people are

starving, aad they are able to go out andbuy something. There was a lot
of racist material in there about Congolese troops stationed in Ceatral
Cuba. There were no Congolese troops. This skort of attitude case out

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going to be Machiavellian, my God you don’t do it like that, you know.
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Tho best propaganda is the one that comes closest to the truth, that

just slightly goes off, you don’t have to push the point.

In any case, I do feel that thereare an enormous number of people

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in Cuba and inside of the government, particularly among the old 26th |
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of July eoxysusutz people, who would be = - they don't want,a capitulation |

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to the United States. They want an independent government. They would

like trade . They would like to get out of the dependence on the Soviet

by the Russiass just by enormous effort om their part.
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Union such as it is. They have managed to keep from being swallowed up
Lee
((am think that both sides have committed themselves so far tht

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relations without a feeling thatame sidd or the other or both, had been

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. "sy I don't think it's true any more.

in there has been
To a certain exteat,recent months | kxxexbraxgut a sort of cooling down
im Cuban'~American relations, though thers have been continued charges
att Venezuela, and it is certainly true thaxs that the Cubans were : oo |
encouraging the Venezuelan PALN. They certainly gave financial support
mot so much in the way of arms, I think, but money , and in a guerrilla
campaign you get your arms anyway from the police and the army, from
the army that'teurrounda you. That's the easiest way.

I have the feeling, nevertheless, tht the Cubans are somevhat
disappointed, disillusioned, about their ability to agitate these
revolutionary groups elsewhere in Latin America, thetr ability to carry

any effective revolution,
out rexeintikensxznyukexax just as the Alliance ef for Progress has proved
to be a great disappointment to many people in Washington so has the Cubar
open solidarity with other, almost any, revolutionary movement in Latin
Auerica, proved a disappdntment. ;
On the other hand, the Cubans are not going to issue a statement saying

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export revolution, in

that we will not aksdxxaxeiutinex Certainly the first yearsof the (Cuban)

revolution, they bid Serohe extremely indant Hamar, with expedition to

Baiti, expedition to Santo Domingo, expedition to Panama, remember, and H
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A messy situation. On the other hand, every once ia a while Duvalier :

makes overtures. He's not beyond anything.

Well, if you want to get in touch with me again, you have oaly. to
give me acall. I don't imagine that anything much will happen, If I‘n
not there just say that Earl called, or something like that. But do avoid {i
giving this address or telephone number. I imagine with my wife working |
now for the pedOia se
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{. Tranemitted herewith is one copy of the cards that
constitute the mailing list for Eevolution. These were borrowed :
frow Richard GIBSON and copied in the station. GIBSOK's wife, -.
who compiled the cards and was responsible for distribution of
Revolution (and to whom, therefore, they more properly belong)
fie not avare that GIBSON has “loaned” the cards out. They
were returned to GIBSON's flat the same day be brought ther in
for copying.

2. We have not made any attempt to count them. There are
several thousand. A few cosments will be in order about some of
the marke and notations that appear on the cards.

3. One general cate,ory is "Promotional". The firat
bunch of sheets — about twenty, it appears - are in thia category.
fhey are marked "Promotional" or "FR". These wero sent out gratis
either to induce publicity, or to encourage new subscribers, or
to make friends happy. (Presumably, Robert WILLIAKS and several
others are in this category).

4. Thereafter, the cards run in categories of one sort
or another, with given countries generally lumped together. Those
where the address was obviously stapled onto a oard are some of
those that were taken from Frene GINWALA's Spearhead mailing list.
Some are marked "ex=-Spearhead"; which means that the name came from
the Spearhead liet, and the person subsequently subscribed on his
om, after a little promotional treatment.

5. The coded synbole, unfortunately, GIBSON could not
explein, since this was his wife's territory, rather than his own.
The first set of letters obviously refers to the country (e.g-,UK/)«
Other numbere and letterp are not clear. The naze that appears
apart from the name of the subscriber usually indicates who arranged
the subscription (this may be an agent, or something like a gift
subsoription). For instance, 3. ¥. LEE is Sheldon LEZ, who handles
baited ea tess
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some subscriptions. Expiration dates are obvious. “Private”
werely means that someone ordered a subscription directly,
higself, rather than through an agency.

6. Any further qvestions relating to the list can be
inoluded in any subsequent contacts with UTBSON. Jf thay merit
inclusion, and if it eeems likely that will know the answers.

ted ate ida ate

Te We note that the list’s accuracy cannot be guaranteed,
. @ppeoislly after the time when the GIBSON's parted ways with
Jacoquea VERGES.

8 At sone tino, the SMOOTHSRe may ask us for this list.
We would appreciate being advised as to whether Headquarters

would like us to acknowledge having it.
George ze ss

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CUBAN OFFICIALS WHO SUPPLIED INFO ON CUBAN INTERNAL SITUATION, STRUGGLE
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- SOVIET RELATIONS?

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PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE SHOULD BE AVOIDED AT OUTSET SINCE THIS APPEARS
TO BE AREA WHERE HE MOST SENSITIVE ABOUT GIVING POTENTIALLY SELF
INCRIMINATING INFO AND FURTHERMORE OF MARGINAL VALUE.

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(laughing) That's right. I think that going into that would jie a long
bee one ee .-
tine and I'm not that~= | at's also very hard to ony, <2 Galieg Sooteote- | '

ey fvoaking king t ith "the Atrtosee me he Chi ¥. Mary A008
on contacts ¥ e the ch nese ou oo!

sewer em

EECA Es Reena el SIA Dt ae ENTE ALCL OE ACE RCC aN SET OOO SLAF

ve need a car, for political work, ie Chinese ser turn up a car’ ha fl
taks pout car. If the US embassy turned up a car, they would

say take a car from the US Embassy. It doesn't make them any more ‘
SQ eee

American agents, It makes them Chinese agents. It's just a ss-

matter of who can produce. Africa is full of poor people, Just as the

Kegro cvsmunity in the United States if full of pmose=y=7 poor people.

Poor people don't have any sense of loyalty in the ordinary sense of

the word. They have a sense of toyalty, to their poverty, and colonial

sé ta

experience alao nixed in tatéoniion Anation-hood, @ the national sense
MGM UNG

is extrenely weak,, They see things in terms of Western ‘gare,’ former

fu wee Fey ‘

:<peolonial pomeryg that's all. |:

Py (ro1den Roberto is down here. You xiwwndy talked out kimk hin. I know
C Op etn. whol,
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You ought to know him better than I do. (laughing) I met his only

eae

oace and that was in New York. I had a long discussion with bin | about Wizt_

Kriev-Yo

1 to 3 in the morning, and he was terribly afraid that somebody vould fink
he was a Compunist, I tried to assure him I didn't think he was a
Communist no matter what (laughing).

(oie he have anything to do with the nagezine))

Hone, ts because the-aagazing, while Verges was there in Algiers,

Fey?

and up until werieeii Viriato da Cruz changed his position, the magazine
Paridfotice when
was following the MPLA end only changed about with/Viriato# changed frou

tke MPLA to the UPA.
Holden went to China and I suppose he ghve the Chinese some guarantees
\ht I don't know.
(uario a’ Andrade),
He is the active Secretary - I don't know his gas title- of
the MPLA,and represents another tendency different from-Dr. Yetuaestte Neto

Cruz. He sought to get Viriato to come back to the MPLA. He is a poet

also. They are all poets. They are all former students in Portugal.
The last time he came through Paris 5, besser . After Viriato published

his article, in Revolution, he asked for the right of reply which was j
granted by Verges but he never wrote the article. He could be said to be

i) on Neto
much more pro~Soviet than Pro- ‘(ektnese) if anything. I think that Audeody

CUbwbete aed sudende ane eV net wee et. OF 2.98 an er ee a a

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ACTION REQUIRED - REFERENCES

RE: OELA — 42,410, 26 January 1965

1. On 12 February KUBARK Staff Agent Errol S. KULPA, who had
contact with GIBSON in 1363-64, listened to reference tape and made
the following comments, which may be helpful to Katzenbach. KULPA
felt that the GIBSON that he was hearing on the tape had indeed
changed rather radically since the last time KULPA had any contact
with him or the Revolution. EULPA remembers GIBSON as anti-white
and probably (because of this racial orientation) anti-U.S. KULPA
is therefore quite suspicious of GIBSON's motivations and advises
that extreme precaution be taken in the handling of GIBSON.

2. KUCLPA's view of Gibson's motivations:

KULPA has strenuous doubts as to any idealogical motivation
on the part of GIBSON, He recognizes the obvious monetary
motivation and feels that this probably plays a large part
in the man's being willing to talk to ODYOKE, Another very
possible motivation is GIBSON's disaffection with VERGES,
Parenthetically, EULPA added that in Algiers and probably in
Paris, GIBSON was really nothing more than a name that VERGES
wanted on the masthead. GIBSON's primary duties as "editor"
were probably in the area of translation. In light of this
KULPA feels that perhaps some legitimate information of value
can be obtsined in the area of the Revolution. Again, paren-
thetically, it might be noted that RULPA felt that GIBSON
was not as “idedistic" as his wife. Where GIBSON might adhere
to the aspects of Marxism-Leninism that called for revolutionary
ehange (probably because of his dissatisfaction with a world
in which the black man had to endure a certain amount of
discrimination), he is not a strict doctrinaire in any of
his beliefs. On tke other hand, KULPA pointed out that
GIBSON's wife (who by the way is a Central European by birth~-
not British) is idealistic in the sense that she feels her
brand of leftism must be internally and idealogically
consistent, (This is why she objected to GIBSON's writing
for Encounter and why she probably would get upset if she
knew exactly what type of game her husband was currently

playing with ODYOKE.)
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jj ¢ TAPE, FOR USZ KATZENBACH DEBRIEFING GIBSON (G): !
° 1. G SPEAKS ABOUT VERGES CONTACTS WITH FLN FEDERATION OF 5
‘ FRANCE AND FACT THAT $75,000 WAS FUNDED TO HIM THROUGH TEE ’ |
FEDERATION FOR REVOLUTION, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN G'S DETAILED
( * COMMENTS ON THE PRESENT ORGANIZATION OF ALGERIANS IN FRANCE: .
|’ . LEADERSHIP, TIES WITH BEN BELLA, TIES WITH ERSTWHILE ALGERIAN |
H . OPPOSITION, TIES TO VERGES, SOURCE OF FUNDS, HOW MUCH SENT TO
ALGERIA IN FORM OF REMITTANCES. :
r . 2, ENCOURAGE G TO TELL MORE ABOUT HIS WIFE, HIS WIFE'S . |

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c CONNECTIONS WITH RABAH BITAT AND LATTER'S WIFE, HER POLITICAL c

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‘CAN G GIVE US A BREAKDOEN, ESTIMATE?

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4. WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE G TALK ABOUT HIS CONTACTS
WITH ALGERIAN AMBASSADOR CHANDERLI IN GREATER DETAIL, WHAT
FAVORS DID HE DO FOR CHANDERLI AXD VICE-VERSA, :

5, ANY INFORMATION ON ORGANIZATION, PERSONALITIES AND
ACTIVITIES OF LATIN AMERICAN BUREAU BRUSSELS. ANY INDICATION
THIS BUREAU INVOLVED IN TRAINING OF LATIN AMERICANS IN ALGERIA?
| «4, ENPORMATION ON RELATIONS OF VERGES WIFE WITH ALGERIASS
BITAT AND EHIDER.

7. INFORMATION ON REVOLUTION BUREAUS ABROAD. HOW WERE
STAFFS CHOSEN? WHAT ARE THEIR FUNCTIONS, OVERT AXD COVERT?

END OF MESSAGE.

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ACTION moe REF R

i OELA - 42,410, 26 January 1965

1. Forwarded as enclosure are requirements for the debriefing of
Subject. Together with the requirements is a KUDESK narrative on
VERGES-ANDERSSON-Revolution complex for the background information
of Katzenbach. Further background on Revolution can be found, if
you have not already done so, in the following dispatches:

OELA - 39,346, 26 Sept '63
OELW - 20,852, 16 Dec '63
CELA - 40,208, 24 Feb '64
OELA - 40,542, 15 Apr '64
ORLA - 41,545, 10 Sept '64
CEL ~ 30,251, 24 Sept '64

2. We have not yet had time to review the tape of your first
session with Subject forwarded with Reference, nor do we expect to
get a transcription completed in time to reach you by 15 February.
The list of names attached to Reference indicate considerable know-
ledgeability on the part of Subject as well a tendency to pour out
his knowledge in a sort of stream of consciousness style. We fear
that, if given the opportunity, Subject will take the bit in his

~. teeth and as much money as he can in his hot little hands and be

‘ off and running. To prevent this we would like to suggest that the
debriefing be set up on a tightly organized, businesslike basis. It
would probably be advisable to write up the terms in a Letter of
Agreement contract for Subject's signature before getting started,
making sure to include a paragraph in which ODYOKE's obligations
and promises are limited to the terms specifically enumerated in the
document. We think that any meaningful debriefing will take 3 - 5
days, and there is good reason to believe that Subject will have

~ information of sufficient interest to justify this expenditure of
Case Officer time. We do not foresee any long range operational
relationship with Subject. While we look at the debriefing as
basically a cne-shot proposition there will probably be follow-up
questions and, perhaps, specific action requests, requiring a later
contact. Therefore, the communication ‘channel to Subject should be
left open on a "don't call us, we'll call you" basis.

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3. In line with the need to put the debriefing on a businesslike
(rather than a "flexible") basia, it might be a good idea to start
by getting Subject to supply a personal history statement from the
time of his first entry into leftist political movements to the
present day. (This can be presented to Subject as a basis for us
to formulate meaningful questions, not as any gort of personal
“confession” on his part.) In addition to providing us with a
check on his veracity, this will set the stage for a debriefing
conducted on KUBARK's terms, not Subject's. It is important that
it be made clear to Subject at the outset that we want facts, not
speculation, commeatary and analysis.

4. Please charge payments to Subject for the debriefing to
Scct. Rr. 5137 - 1468 (Hqs. LCHARVEST 004). Three hundred dollars
for the initial 2} hours talk with Subject is on the steep side.
Wowre thinking in terms of $700 for five days debriefing with a
bonus for a copy of the Revolution mailing list.

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Bile ANDERSSC’, Swedisn—born resident of Switrerland, heads a
printing and peblicshing establishnent ("Eiitions la Cite" in Lacssnne,
said to have been set vp in 1957 for the printing an? distrituting of
Chinese literatcre. (This ties in with other infernstion that the firm
ves established in Switzerland during the Algerian war in erder to
publish printed matter banned in France.) Since 1¢63 the firz had been
responsible for the English-langvage edition of Per-Ivticn, bet in 196%
the printing of the English-language edition was traneferred to Paris
where Fevpivtion's main office is located, Swiss authorities had ordered
ANDERSSON to cease publication of RavoluSton.

Revolction has had e couplicated history. It 14s descended fron
_ African Hevolution which first appeared in early 1953)in Algeria. Ite
‘SITES, Jacques VERGS, is a forner rexber of the French CP who broke
4 with that party crer the Algerian questicn, After Y=2GES, who briefly
headed African Yavolution, had a falling out with Algerian officials
St Jater in\1¢63 and left that country, he began a new publication in
iat "m .  «.  Switzerland-using the facilities of the already established ANZIRSSCK
an firm, His nev publication was called evolution, scmetines mown as
. Revolution — ‘sie, Jatin Atarica, Africa. (The Algerians sostinve to
.. » Which has no known connection vith Pevolsttos.)
. - * Inttlally both the English and French editions of Revolution were hacdied
yee _ by EXDEASSON's Lirm, but the oublishing operations of tie French editica
Le . vere very soon moved to Paris. later the trinting, too, of the French
. edition was nored to Paris and only the English edition continued to be
printed in Suitserland, Y=RGSS and the main offices vere located in Paris.®

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Currently ANDERSSON is reported to publish (ct-bre, wiich is
described as the organ of an organization in Switzerland called the
- +  *Centre Lenine." oth Cetobre ani the Centre Lenine are said to be com
7S +) 3 trolled by ANDERSSON, but wery little information is available about either.
: The Centre hes been described as a prenacanda arm of tke Chinese Commniste.
. There {s soze iniicaticn that they also have sams comection with pro—
"* Chinese dissident elerents of the Spanish CP,

AMDERSSOS'a firm has also printed Mirjo Ctrere Pevoluctonario (MOR),

HE Mon LU er Ne
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§ Although the Pnglish edition ws rrinted in Svitserland, its editorial
office was also in Paris, headed by Richard GiSSCN, Srerican negro. In
late Yay and early June 19%4 = vhen it ws already apparent that Swiss
authorities were going to close down the printing of Revolution in that

. awe GISSCY and Alexandre STAELNC?F went to The Netherlands seeking
@ fim there to orint and distribute the English-language edition. It is
Bot known why this effort was mede instead of transferring the printing
directly to Paris as was ultimately dcne.

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the olantestins peblication of a major rro-Chinese Spantsh Commmist
geroap called the Partido Cammista Revoluciomario, In view of recent
reports that the MCS group may rerge with one cr more of tha other
issident Scanish Cocunist grouzs and that a joint organ will be
poblished, MOP ray acon cease (or may already have ceased) prblication,
What role ANDZPSSGH nay play in new vubdlication efforts of the crow
Chinese Spenish dissidents is not known.

The olendestins leadership of tha Partido Conunteta Revolucionarioe 4

has been located in Lavsanne, Svitzerland, with soms representation also ca

in Farigz, but this group has aprarently been receiving Chinese financial “y

assistance through the GRIPPA party in Belgicz, Another rro-Chinese

& Spanish group in Svitzerland, the Cposicion Revolucicnario Camnista oy

; located in Ganeva, has been publishing Ia Chiana, Tha Chtgra group
has revortedly teen raceivirg funis frog the Chinese mthbessy in Dern,
Still encther uro-Chinese Spanish croup, the Agrupacion Cacuniste
Proletario, hns been publishing Proletario, apparently from Paris bot
with some representation also reported in Zelgim, While the grout
has apparently hed some contact with GRIFFA in Yelgius, the Parie—tnsed

coup at one tire at least appe-red to be sponsored er aided by VERGES,
CRIFPA has played an active role in trying to bring the different
b dissident groups to a nerger,)

seve Reet The relationship tetween CRIPPA and AYDERSSON, GRIPFA and VERGES,
and VERGES and ANDE2SSQN is anything but clear. Sone mart of the
confusion may result from GRIPPA's driving efforts to function as the
; director of Chinese political operations in “urope, and to try to bring
- _ the aotivities of cthers under his control,

a, GRIPPA ves once reported to have said he had “lost
confidence™ in Revolution. Azong his reported reascns was &
belief that VERGES warted to be désignated absolute leader in
Europe for the "revolutionary novenent." Somewhat later GRIPFA
was reserted cs saying that tha Chinese were no longer subsidizing
Revolution and that it was now being backed by Faris editor

- Francois MASFERO,

b, GRIFFA or his aides also appear to have been responsible
for storfes circrlating arong sone pro-Chinese “uropean dissidents
that ANDERSSCS had been uritten off by the Chinese as a “Trotsxyite."
GRIFPA has also been quoted as saying that the printing of IR
would be transferred fren levsance to Selgium and to GRIFPA‘'e evn
Poblishing fecility, (This 4s not know to have taken plar:,)

'  @. There have been revorts, usexplained, that there lo tad
“Blood betveen VEAGZS and AXDERSSCH, .

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alse on Ale wife,

. 2 Octalle on "Coatre Leninac” and tts pablicatioa Cctebre. way founded,
by whom, hee financed, prosent actlrities?
3. Detatle of relartonshly betwees ANUARSION aad the MOR croup of diseldcot
Spagiseh Comnasaiets, How were teey pus in coaiacs wish each other, bew ba
MOR priating C(inanced? Oves ANDZRSSION giey any tale cleoarets other
Spanish dissident groupe?
i ~ @ Metheds and chaanels by which be has contact «ith the Chinese Communtsga’ - _
 G. Full dotatls en the relationship tcteeaa ANOERSSON and VERGES, pect
-. @nd present?
Reveluzisa a. oo.

6.

., Whe lnvised him to Algerts in ifo3, why did ue quarrel wita tae Algerians?
"Whe direeted Bim to ANDERSSON ta switoserland, why eid Heveluttes’s main
 @fflee move $ Parle? O14 VaaCES Mve in switserlend in i9¢3. Where and

dentate welts.

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. Why was the Engl ebolang sage ecisien continued with ANGERSSON's firm?

Any tefo ea the mechanica ef latcrnaticaal at strlbthoe of Revolutions. Hea.

| bwenly tnterceted in procuring & copy of the mailing ilst.

Row le 'Revelution” flaaeced? Ve oaguld lite to save the alsle funding
elsuction described: amount of capzort, from what sources, meotned of
tzeasnalitale, payment of editerta! aad pablicazion costs,

Life stery of VERCESS, wlta particuiar coverage of period 1964 te present,
for bow long ?

Blegresphie deta on cembers of editorial staff. |
a. who ta the magazine's polley toward the ase of stringer correspondents?

Reletlezsaly ef VERCLS to pre-Chinese disoldent spanish (actions, in
particular the group publishing Pre! startle.

ere mailing lege coroplied? Use of fereign cietributers? (NOTE: we are

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12. Methade and chaanels by which VERGSZS has contact with the Culnose
Commrauniats or any othere whe currently provide bim wila backing,

13. With whom dere VERGES aceectace most clessly ia Paria?

“16. With which Algerinas is ViAGES In contact today. How ned where be
this coatact molotstaed ?

- §$. Disercet probing on STRELKOFF and his orlontafioa and speacor chip lo
alee ladicated.

16. What are the functleas of the advisory boased ef Bevolutiean? Wera members
echesen by Verges? Hew do they commuetcate with Vi RGES?

17, What galdance Uf any do the financtal spoasera of Kevolution give the
editerisl etaff? De they supply packaged articles’ Whe decides whas
erticics are te be used la tha different laaguage cditlons?

1G. Completa review ef CIBSON's relatlonship with Vorges. Whon aad chore
: @ld they rset, under what chrcumatances? whet bricflng did Verges give
GIBSON couceralag the purposes, sponsorship and line of Revolatica?

ap, ” What exactly were tho duties ef GIBSON La Parie and Lansance 09 Revolution? —

80. Dees “Revolution” grant reprist authorisation? Ef ae, de you know ef any
publications that have carried “Revolution” material?

23, What ta the ecurce cf photographs used by the magasine?
Explain hie retotlenship to other pre-Chlnges dieoiden factions la Western
Earepesen CPs. Is hw in owtact with VERGES? With ANDERSSON? Detalic.

| 23. Why was GRIPPA ast asked to assict la findiog & sew printer for the English
” _ editica ef Revelutica? . oO

‘ a“ Has he ever mads any flesscial contributiess to VERGES or ANDERSSON?

' FRONT GROUPS

“QS. All information available om Lisacl Morrison, loctading blographic dats,
Garton? status of Glbcea-dtorrizon relationship.

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EP: > -Cariabean; especially iavelvement of Cubass, Algerians, Soviess, Tretsbyists, © :

#4 others, (ce ettaches di.patch, OCUW ~+n8, for beckgromz ou the ECE :

c Does Reveletion receive Cubem assistance? Specifically what ts the nature. a:
ax ef tho relationship with Qevolatios in Havana? Contact with Carles FRANOUI? - a

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36, AU infortuation available on the Afre-Actan Journalisse Asseciaties, heade
; qesrtcred la Cairo. (ote, aa AAJA conference ta slated for March in
! > Algters).
” gp, Identhfy ang ef ths individuals foatetds af Morrisca) cousscted with i.
‘sy Be Meoutlly any AAJA coctscts la Europe oF Africa,

} Aay information oo the structure, plans, Masnces or porscasiliies of the
Pan Afriesa Journailets Unies, neaded by Xofi baats!, and headquartered
i " 'e Accra.

48. Any knowledge of the International Orgentsation of Joarpallets, beadcwuartered = =
ta Pregee. Has GIBSON met any of its offictals, of attoaded any of its
meetings.

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| 29. Ay direct knowledge ef the efficers, emplayees, proceedures ctc. of

| . Preags Latina elfices in Kurope.

: | t= 30, Amy newledge of the officers and operations ef tne NCNA cifices La Kereye
Bo Asy ceatact with repreneatatives of, or any knowledge of the propaganda

operations of the NYLSY {Natiesal Freat for the Liberatica of South Vietsam), ~
which haa ea cffica (a Algiers? 3

38. Enowledge of any officers or eaticaal leaders of the World Peace Council in
Neth Africa or Zuroge? :

‘> Carribecs _

33. Any current of past cantacte with Caribbeza ravolutieaaries? Osecribe.

nes . ;
_ 34e Enfa en the presont status of the Mouvement de Liberation pour le Zeae des
coe ' Cavelbee (MLZC), which has een mentioned by nome In the Zconoml st Zeouemi st,

' $3 We are laterested tn the proscat stage of organiaztion or dloorgaaieatiea of
the MLCZ (which bao ent been heard {rom fer almost two years) and any

Miscollancous Leftiet Grows

"$7. Describe relationship, nad persoas involved, of Revelation with the New Left
' Review and the Movetncut fer Coloalal Freedom in Great Britala. (These

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Party of Sattscrinad Yormarly dissident PDT af Mcatreas). oo :
| 39. Did CABSON of any other member of the Revolution staff ever have deallags 3
- ith Mebsel RAPTIS (obs “Pablo‘} or aay of bis group? Describe la “3
| 40, Any lafo oa the Red Flag end that moathiy's editor Joha Llewellyn DAVES. oj
| Dacerthe contacts between the DAVIS groap and Revolutien. y
" @. Any tafe oa, coatacte with, the Ou Bois group in Ghana? Hammer end 3
| Stee) ta Beotea? ~ a

43. Whet Americas contacts cid GIBSON molntals ia Lacsapne and surrevsilags,
" pasticulasiy with young etadonts in the area? A:.7 Arab coatacte?

. 43. Describe the Party mechsaism te which yoo beleng, Uf aay, ia Suitserizad.
isdentify the Lndividsais laveived, meeting places.

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the ctatas of pons relstioushty with the volleving imdiviécals and/or raupe
om ~ would be appreciated:
_& Mazriecs SINE, cartoonist. fle past and present rote, first ia Revolatica a
Africalne and ther Rovolutica. Cthers in Exprese crew (e.g. STHELEOV) ees
whe went to Algeria? 1 TAd otf setara to France? :

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De yeu know any Amoricans ettending the cubversire/cabotage school ta §
Prague? Aay info on this Lastitetion and the Ladentitios of pesticipants would ia
be umck eppreciated.

| Resabyede AINSLIE (London). ee
Mane. Mirrele MESTRE (Parte) Deplartnaalp to VERGES grcp
¥.E.T. ‘RAOKHAL, Rev. busces umn in Nigeris.

Hamza ALAVL Formor editorial board whe reportedly resigned his post. .
Cireumstasees ef bis realgeation? Current positica? Revaicties Editerial .

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' $6. Maclana Abdel Hamid DHASHAKS
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7" 56. Gerloe LANGA a: Patricia MoGevan PINNEIRO, reperted to be Lanca's
wee .  whkes a Algeria? Any ether current Algerian contacts?

Mukamed HARB!, whe replaced VERGES as editor of Bevetctics Alricaize.
Robert WILIZAM? {ameriocns ts Pasiag)

Mahared HHIDEA, Was ble dopartare from Algerts se}stod \n say way to
Be depeture ef VEAGES?

Sab Gahasa Africans, pacticularly ta Galaca, Mell exd@ Ghans, with pro-
' GadCem Maks oF symypothies.

Helder ROBERTO (ingols)
Marlo DcAadzade (Angola)
Michoel TABATA (South Afzica)

Fesacais MASPERO, Paste pot sher of Patten Mow finenced?

Andre BELGE. Any coanediion with Bov.?

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i . 70. Background cizcumetances leading to the decision to pablich Revelation
i. ; In Spoatsh in Bogota, —— ;
Om Tl. SBtegrapble info oa Cesar PALACIOS P., described as editor of the : 4
4 Bogota edition. 4
i 7%, Marlo ARANOO, Director of the Bogota edition. | 4
73. Is Ut lateeded to public a Spastsh editian of Revoluticn ta other citice In 4
Letin America? Are any other fazelgn oditions pianaed? :
14. Ase articloo translated tuto Spanish In Europe aud then seat to Bogeta, or 4
~—*"* ts tho translated work dane {a Bogota. rs
; 7%, How sed through whom Is the Spanich language edition of Revolucion
“+ > _.  Gannced. Details. _ —
ae 16. Glegrapric iafe en Jarema FINAMOUR, beureas man la Brasil. ve
° Com Comacts ~ :

Tt. Did you have cay contact with the New China Nowe Agency? Hf 0, explaie 4

. tre natare of the relaticashlp sad persoas with whom you dealt. : 4
ore - 18, Ia tho course ef your editorial activities did you mact aay Chinove Comnmuralsta?
: Boo, lence provide information en the (adividuale with whom you bad contact.

oo + Any tate on contacts by VERGIS and/or other Revolatlen stall members with
eae NGA representatives or ChiCom diplomats (a Paris or Bera. :

$0. “Am aceoust of GEBSON's time la Algiers when he worked ea Bovolotion
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1. Transaitted herewith are copies of JACUAR's latest report on Richard
Thomas GIBSON, which they compiled for us on being informed of our current
operational interest in hin. We expect that further information will be
forthcoming since, as previously noted, they have instituted additional
coverage of GISSON's activities.

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2. JAGUAR refer us to their previous reporting on GIBSON, which has
been contained in their resorts on Eevolution. These include comet or tae
August 1963); CfLs-40,542(15 April 1964); CBL&-41,545(10 September 1964)5
OEL~-39, 251(24 Septender 1964); CELA-4:,753(20 Cotober 1964).

3. JAGUAR also point out that the paper contains information received
from a nunber cf secret sources, and they request that wa not give it any
distribution beyond KUBARK without consulting them, unless, of course, we
have the information frea other sources. JAGUAR have made a copy available
to ODSHVY London.

4. JAGUAR aloo inforred us orally that the persons they suspect to have
played a sost prominent role in the 1963 charges of GIBSON's CIA affiliation ~
the two persons referred to in para 3 of their paper ~ were Rosalynd AINSLIE
and Patricia KcGOWaN. JAGUAR gave us thia information inforsally and off the
record. It is interesting to note that, in Ref, GIBSON agreed that ATESLIB
vas one but nede no sention of KoGOWAN.

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giving a rather different intorpretation, however. Paras 3 (v), (ce), and (a)
are rather more speculative. :

6. JAGUAR also told us, informally, that some of their information on
GIBSOH, as contained kerein, derives from some of his correspondences The
implication is not that JAGUAR has been reading CIBSON's rail, but that, by
intercepts or penetrations, they have been reading the mail of sone of the

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which gention is made of GIBSON.

Te £8 a belated footnote to Ref, we learn that JAGUAR had previously
ZfeniiPied she Grice pointer ep Nilo AWMERICN (gna OB]--39,251, 24 Sapterter

1964). . j

8. JAGUAR informed us on 26 January that GIBSCH had requested (prior
to 23 January) a one-month extension of his residence permit, to enable hin
to make his proposed Buropean trip and return to the U.K. The extension
vas granted without desur.

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Born: Les Angeles on 13.25.31
: ; Address: 30, Stockleigh Hall,
* : _Frince Albert Road, London, W.W. 8,

GIBSON has been connected with the pro~Chinese Communist publication
"Revolution" and its predecessor, "African Revolution”, at least since
April, 1963. He made available the following information about hinself as
pert of a publicity campaign planned for “Africen Revolution® in the first

i ~ half of 19633- .
$ 19510523 , . worked in Roze for the Mediterranean News
a . Bureau of the “Christian Science Monitor";
cu 1955-58: editor with the English language service of
; . "Agence France Presse" in Paris;
: 1958: arrested by the French authorities because of
? his work for the Algerian National Liberation
Front;
, 1959~60: returned to the U.S.A. and employed by the

C.B.S. News in New York until dismissed because
of his pro~Quban ectivities;

awarded a C.B.S. fellowship in African Studies
at Coluzbia University;

“f 1960-Septeuber, 1962: Executive Secretary of the °Fair Play for Cuba®
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2. In 1963, GIBSON lived in Lausanne, where “African Revolution" and
subsequently the English edition of *"Revolution® were printed, but he peid
frequent visits to "Revolution's® Paris office until the end of the year
when "Revolution" was banned in Switzerland and he was refused permission to
continue to live there. He then settled in Paris where, according to one

; speport, he and his wife lived in "quite a lumrious flat’. It would, however,

wo be wrong to infer fron this that GIBSON's means enabled hia to enjoy high

vu living standards, es another source subsequently reported that he hed not

paid any rent for the flat fron Nay to October, 196. .

As far back es August, 1963, there were rusours in Communist circles in

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~. llendon that GIBSON was en Aserican agent and that he hed provided United i
ed States oe

States Intelligence with the names of certain unidentified Unit

negroes in accordance with a brief received from the Americans. Inforcation
frou a well-placed source suggests that these rumours may have originated
from the jealous reactions of two persons, connected with "Revolution", whose
aspirations with the publication were cut short when GIBSON becane Editor

of the English edition. However, »y mid=1964, VERSES, tie Editorisl Director
of "Revolution", was cleizing that complaints about GIBS...'s activities had
been received not only ‘from Idndon, but also from Cuba, Awerican negroes in
Hew York and a relative of GIESOX's who was working for the uagasine "Spark"

“"" "4m Ghana, As 8 result, GIBSON was dismissed from the editorial staff of 5
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(a) denouncing, in 1958, an unidentified negro, possibly a
Communist, who was expelled from France;

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. : "Revolution" was disintegrating; 7
ro (0) providing "Newaweek" and the "New York Herald Tribune”

- : with information in an attenpt to discredit "Revolution";

; (a) connections with the C.I.A. ;
* Although GIBSON hes denied the charges made against his, he realises that :

they have stuck and that it will be scme years before he will be acceptable
to any left wing organisation.

‘ &e Having failed to find employzent in Paris efter leaving “Revolution”
dn July, 1964, GIBSON went to the United Kingdom on 7th October and was
Joined later by hia British wife, Joy Marjorie, and his two children. He
hoped to find work in London, but at the end of November, he was still
without a job and dependent on his wife's family, who were paying the rent
of his flat at 30, Stockleigh Hell, Prince Albert Road, London, N.W.8 It
is now knom whether GIBSON has been able to find employnent.

5. Nothing is knowm at present about CIBSON's contacts in the United
_Kingdom. Although during the time he worked for "Revolution™ he was in
touch with mezbers of the pro-Chinese Connunist splinter group in the
United Kingdom =~ the Comzittee to Defeat Revisionism, for Communist Unity -
4t is not known whether he has resumed contacte It Las been reported thet
he still keeps in touch with the coloured South African journalist, Lionel
HORRISON, who is employed by the Chinese~backed Afro-Asian Journalists’
Association (A.A.J.A.) in Djakartae

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1. Attached is the tape of the interview with OIESOB, recorded in an
Enbass: office, using a Uher 4000 Report - 5 recorder, recording at a speed
of 15/16 feet: por Binute.~ The interviewer used the aliae of Earl Wilson.
Gibson arrived at 1745 and departed at about 2030.

2. We are not attempting to summarize or analyze GIBSOS's connents in
this dispatoh. The tape provides a much nore revealing pioture than our
subjective comments could. A farnotes, however, appear to be in order.

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3. Speaking of his departure, GIBSON said he planned to leave London
on 24 or 25 January. As of noon 24 January, at least, he was still in London
bacause I saw him walking on St. John's Wood Zigh Street. (A potential
problem exists heres GIBSON and I live within a few blocks of one another
and not infrequently ride the same bus line. This problem oan only be mot
when it manifests itself.) JAGUAR, incidentally, has alerted its immigration
contacts (prior to our meeting with GIBSCN) and requested that his name be
put on a watch list. They said that they would inform us if they learn that
he has left the country. We have not yet heard that he has left.)

HS TRA RENT

4. GTBSOH was given money amounting to $300. Under the circuzstanoes
of, his plans, as he expressed them, it seemed reasonable to do so, to ensure,
at least partially, that he would come tack to talk more. He was more than
willing to take the money. and raised the initial suggestion of $200 to $300
or $400. His obvious shift in his line regarding dollars (as opposed to
pounds) 1a further indicative of his willingness to get what be could.

5. The considerable number of names mentioned by CISSON makes the
trangoription of the notes a sizable chore, and in order to lessen this
burden a listing has been compiled of almost all of the names, in the order
in which they appear in the tape, with the exception of VERGES and the Free
Play for Cuba Committee, CBS and a few others. The names appear only one |
time each on the list, although many of them crop up repeatedly in tho tape.

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A few of the phrases that do not appear too clearly on the tape are included
toa.) list. Occasionally the namea are written phonetically, indicated by
Press

6. GIBSON's offer of a photograph of VERGZS was not accepted, on the
assumption that KUBARK already has a photo. If thia is not the case, let .
ue know, and wo will inolude that in cur requirements for a subsequent meeting. F ss

toner ot

7. The Afro~Asian Journalists Association man is apperently Lionel
MORRISCH. He is also referred to ag the "man from Djakarta"™. _ Gee LOND 5575

of 12 January 1965.)

8 Tne reference tc the Cultural Attache of the Cuban Exbassy corroborates! - '
feathers is corroborated by) the material referred to in para 4 of LOND 5337 ; .
(22 December 1965). We are not fully aware of the Cuban's political orientation
however,

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59. In reviewing the: tape, it will become apparent that the arrangezents
with GIBSON were left fairly flexible for the future. It would eppear, from
his responses, that a longer range relationship with him could, in fact, be
established if, after thorough review of his materials, that seems necessary
or desirable.

40. We will oxpect, in addition to the requirements that have been
pronised, that Headquarters will advise us on their desire to arrange for the
one~shot approach previously suggested by Headquartere, or a different am
rangement. We are unable to assess the validity or worth of all the comasnts
he made. Our impression, however, is that he is reasonably kmowledgeable of

, &@ number of fields of interest to us. We also suspect that in some areas his

- knowledge is quite superficial. His eccess to various areas of potential
interest say be partially proved by his trip around Europe and should be a
useful indtoation of how we may be interested in playing him. The possibility
of his being a provocation has not been overlooked, of course, and we welcome
Headquarters’ comments on this score as well.

: 11. We would also appreciate further comments on various personalities,
with whom we are not familiar — “Anderson” is the mogt obvious in this category.

12. Headquarters is requested to provide us with a transcription of this
tape, as well as the promised requirements, prior to 15 February. ODENVY
should also be provided with as much of the material as is of interest to then,

- and a copy of that material should be given to us to pass to the ODENVY office

: here. We are also obliged to pass to JAGUAR such elements of this material as

" 48 of legitimate concern to them. In this case, we would suggest that this be .
interpreted rather liberally and Headquartere»prepared copy be forwarded along
with the other items listed above. (Hote that JAGUAR has beon quite cooperative
while ve have been approaching this case, and their recent run=down on GIBSON is
being pouched almost simultaneously with this dispatch.)

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REFERENCE:

NOTE: The folloving round-up and commentary on Iden A had been drafted
before PAL? 3017 of 6 January 1965 and later traffic presented the
ease in a soceshat differeat lignt. ie forvard the folloving anyway,
as some of the backzround and sugxestions still secc pertinent.
Several questions raised below have now been resolved, notably the alleg-
ation of an Iden A/SUBARK link (explained by the ODEIVY letter of 1
December 1964, not available when the following was written). Cories
of recent PALP correspondence oa Iden A, passed to us on 13 Jacuary
1965, are attacned as Attaciment 3, USC.

1. Upon receiving the memorancum cited in tne reference, we requested
farther details from UOUD, stressinz our interest in the report that CPUSA
nenbers had given IDEN C documents waich snowed IDCi A belonged to "the services
of ZUBARR™, 1/5986 of 30 December 1964, U30UND'’s answer to our query, merely
reiterates that the UuBOU.D source, a good one, based tie report on a "cowumi-
cation of documents" by Azerican Communists to T3Di C, whica supposedly
established that IDEN A belonged to KUBARK; UNBOUND states that the source is
not in a position to identify the persons in question. UNBOWID's reply suggests
the information might have come from an audio operation; we aight mention here
that IDE A bas appeared occasionally on UNPSY, but never in an informative
way. A nail intercept mignt also be the source of UNBOUMD's report, or ic
may have cowe from a third service (conceivably JAGUAR or S:i0TU).

2. Our continuing preoccupatioa wth the IDEs A question is three-fold:
(a) his expulsion from iDiii B (and thus from acceptance by pro~Peiping groups)
opens the door for ais possible recruitment; (0) we would like to determine
whether nis ouster was engineered by person2l enemies or whether he actualiy
did work for an intelligence service, and woici one; (c) as Peiping regards
the USA as its primary target, the Cainese can be expected to continue prop—
aganda attacks designed to create iDzi D tension and inflame the Afro/Asians

Attachments: 1. Excerpt from RFE research bulletin, 19 Nov 64, h/w

Sfé aiarh.d a buyesl2- ifemorandum of Conversation, USC
« Letters dated 4 and 6 Jan 65, USC

4. Identities, USC

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against the U.S.A.
nandled by ODEWY,

3. UBARK's recruitcent of IDB: 4, or establisiuent of controlled access
to aim, could be extreiely useful in coustering attexpts to uncernine tue USA
weil Cie Siaewnsius. LOL A pocGucauly still nas < reisscuacl, up-cu-date idea

of IDEN 3 plans in

many persons involved. Tii2 most efiective approach to luni A would prodaply
be througu an offer of money (his oistory incicates venality, and at preseat be
appears to be in rinanucial difficulties), aad oy stressing nis chance co set

even witao Invi c.

shoul not impede recruitmeat; a nore forniuasle obstacle to a successful
operation is nis possible connection with a foreign intelligeace sezvice.

This could be a western service out migut also be the Soviets, for wnom ue.
would serve the dual purpose of causing trouble for the USA and at tae save
time reporting on the Cialnese propaganda machine; it is a matter of record

that tae Soviets view IDE: 3 seriously. “uatever tine vasis for a SidAns
approaca to Ibi A, it would require careful security planning, taxing
cognizance of iis instability and his xnown attitude toward GUYURE as an Wei DL

4. “Revolution” gas featured articles by taree Arerican Negroes, Richard
GIBSON, Robert franklyn WILLIANS, and Haleoln X, all ooviously inteaded to
prejudice readers against the USA on ground of racial injustice, all three
men are or have been involved with foreign Commmists: GIBSCi and WILLLAAS
with the Chinese and tie Cubans, notavly, and Malcolm 4 with tne Cainese and
various African Comwnists (actual or crypto). The “sew York nerald Trioune”
of 4 January 1965 reported Lalcolm’s statezent that he woges to “internationalize”

the American Nezro

African governments to make representatious in the U.i. agaiast tie USA's
treataent of its Negroes. iInis may de a ioretaste of Cainese plans for foreign
exploitation of this issue; “alcola was interviewed by “Revolution™ in Cairo,
which bas since proved its enthusiastic aati~-Ancricanisa.

5. OFP-14693 reports that Puilip BART, a pro~Soviet official of the CPUSA,
stted in becexber 1964 that the CPUSA aas positive proof that four cemsers of
their Chinese faction are being paid by tae Cainese Coumsists. (It is pernaps
relevant towte here that the advent of “Revolution” was uailed by letters to
the Editor from American leftists, including tie FPCC; according to OFP«-37875,
Vincent T. LEE of "All Worlds Publications" in iiew York City takes subscriptions

forZevolution").

picture of Anerican Cormumist partisanship in the Sino/Soviet rift, but ia
view of his saifting allegiances he may aave divulged to pro-Soviet CPUSa_
members, or to the Soviets themselves, information oa Cainese subversion in
the USA. Tne October 1964 issue of “\iammer & Steel iiewslerter™ is cited by

the Radio Free Europe researcn bulletin of iiovember 1964 in tie latter's review
of pro-Chinese factions anong Western Commmist Parties; 3F£ researca describes
“Hamner & Steel" as a monthly produced ia toston by a small A-erican faction.
(Portions of the RFE research bulletin wita its citations from "Hammer & Steel”
are attached as Attachment 1). The marked paragraph from "Hamer & Steel” aits
at the idea of wnite nations’ inherent superiority; this is consistent wita
China's claim of a bond among tne colored peoples of tue world, which pernits
such effective anti-Soviet propaganda as the wver of “Revolution” for ilay 1964,
which shows KHRUSHCHEV saying, "se, the whites...".

6. WEN c's denunciation of IDEN A may have been at least partially
caused by suspicion ne was trying to gain control of IDEA E; 1t will be
xecalled that very snortly vefore his ouster, IDci A was in Holland negotiating
for taat type of printing equipzent (AGU 6137 and O:c1A 23818). He is now
living in London; ite unas presumably veen odlized to find work there (unless
he actualiy is on an intelligence payroli), and ne may nave Landed with some
leftist publishing outfit or even with the CPUK, which is sufficiently divided
to afford room for his current views, waatever they may be. In addition to
IDEN A's potential for reporting on Cuinese propaganda efforts, his uses as a
penetration of sritisa or other European Cosmunist publisaing circles are ovvious

abroad becomes AUsARK"s concern.

wnile domestic effects of such propaganda are properly
the manipulation of Iva Ys to furtuer Cuinese propaganda

this regara, and ie cust anow cue manes and locations of

Tue purity of IDE: A‘s Ceumunisa is open to questioa and

problem, and tnat he claims to have influenced severai

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7. UNSOUND reported that American Communists nad allesedly given
IDEN C documents snowing IDLi A worked for KUbaik. One explanation of tiis
allegation ray lie in IDEN A's visit to tie american Enbassy, Paris, io lace
1963, at the request of lir. John G. COSSLIT, then Acting Consul General.
GOSSETT vas interested in any information ne might aave on possible connections
between IDEN F, with waicu IDEN A nad been connected, and President Kennedy's
assassination. (A copy of GOSSETT's verorandun of Conversation is attacaed
under separate cover as Attachzent 2; nis appraisals of Wut A and his
reservations concerning his motives are interesting). IDNA and GOSSETT
had a far-ranging talx, including wnat nay have veen a tentative feeler iy
WEA A for OOXCNE employment. It scems likely that IDLi a would aave reperted
an American tobassy inquiry to his friends in Ibi F, and ne may even nave
mentioned tlie possidility of future "work" for OUYOXE, waich could nave led
to eventual allegations that he nad been recruited by KUZARK, This is of
course speculation, out IDEN A's flexiole loyalties aad liking for money are
surely known to ais colleagues, and, if he nad already aroused antagonism
among them, tie Lubassy visit vould serve as a peg for sincere or expedient

denunciation.

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(LOND 5337). Our only trace is OLA 39346, stating ne is IDEX He. we are aot
clear as to the relationship between IDET A, IdeN G, aad IDEN I, also mentioned
in OELA 39346, which states sie "appears to be" IDEN A's wife. According to
ODENVY Paris, nowever, IDEN A is married to IDzs J. OLL 39251 of Septender
1964 reported that Ide A and bis wife (unnamed) had successfully sued IDEs B
for salary arrears; the fact taat the wife was also employed recalls the
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land of capitalism, from the small American faction whicn pro—
duces the monthly Hammer & Steel Newsletter in Boston. Tne
October issue of tne mimeographed oulletin vengefully gives «a
list of eight reasons why Khrushchev fell -—- each one a vin~-
dictive crow of triumph, and many attacking not only Khrush-

_ Chev but basic Soviet policies such as “the distortion of
peaceful coexistence." Points 2, 3 and 8 will serve as illus-

trations:
2. ‘His German policy -- Khrushchev sought to ingratiate

himself with West Germany. He was obviously ready '
to sell out the German Democratic Republic...

AROS. QE BERS tN oA SCTE MEE Ate ome

3. The declining influence of the CPSU among the Social-
ist countries and the Communist Parties. The pro-
posed Moscow gathering was shaping up as a conference
of only those Party leaders ready to openly serve
U.S. imperialist aggression against the national lib-
eration struggles. For example, Asian supporters of
Khrushchev could have gathered in a telephone booth,

8. The nuclear success of People's China. Khrushchev

at hed maintained that nuclear power was the exclusive
responsibility of revisionists and imperialists —
of white nations. Khrushchev's great power chauvin- ,
ism°wae Dlown sy high in Sinkiang Province. t

Although there is no evidence that the politically insig-
nificant Hammer & Steel group enjoys any direct support from
the Chinese (as the Ruesians alleged in their “Open Letter”

14, 1963), it has always offered its allegiance to _
Peking in the most extreme form. This is expressed again si
the claim that “Khrushchev's failure to recognize the contra
diction between the oppressed peoples and imperialisn as . aa
focal contradiction of our time resulted in blindness conce a
ine the leading réle of the Chinese Party. 8" Snis is 6 ciaim
that the Chinese themseives would not want to make, expeciaily

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