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' To: Barry Harrelson Date: March 31, 1997
Fax #: 703-613-3060 Pages: 17, including this cover sheet.
From: Michelle Combs
Subject: DS&T and DO Briefing Questions

~ COMMENTs:

Barry,

Attached are the final versions of the DS&T and DO briefing questions. There are no changes in
the DS&T questions, Questions have been added to the DO list to reflect our conversation
March 19 and 20. You, of course, already have our detailed explanations for the earlier DO
questions. If you have any questions or if there are any problems, please give me acall. I should
be in all day. See you tomorrow.

Michelle

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HTLINGUAL

1. What kinds of records might the DS&T maintain on the HTLINGUAL project? How
could these records be queried?
Castro Assassination Plots

1. What kinds of records would TSD or other offices of DS&T have maintained on the
various Castro assassination plots? How might a search query be framed to isolate
these records?

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flights that Bissell got Kelly to sequester four of our test flight

twice as heavy as. ours and with 4 maximum altitude of only

_agency got-them into Soviet hands only Mr. B knew, and he

OVERFLYING RUSSIA 153
' The next thing we tried was 4s something called ‘a Salisbury _

"+ screen, a metallic grid.applied to the airplane's undercarriage

in the hope of deflecting incoming radar beams, but it worked
only at some frequencies and altitudes and-not at others.
‘Kelly thought it was more ‘practical to. try special iron fer
rite paints that would ‘absorb a radar ‘ping rather tha
bounce it back to the sender. The paints were moderately ef-.
fective but inhibited heat dissipation through the airframe’s
outer skin and‘ we experienced overheating engine problems.
But the paint:lowered the radar cross section by one order of
magnitude, so we decided to give it a try. We called these
specially painted airplanes “dirty birds” and shipped the first
one out for flight testing in April 1957. Our test pilot, Bob
Sieker, took-the U-2 up to over. seventy thousand feet and
suddenly radioed that he was experiencing rapid airframe
heat buildup. Moments later his engine blew out and the face.
plate blew off Bob's oxygen mask as his pressure suit in-

_stantly inflated. "The U-2' dove straight down and crashed. It

took us three days to locate the wreckage-and Bob's. body, An

. autopsy revealed that above seventy thousand feet he: had

suffered ‘acute hypoxia and lost consciousness in only ten
seconds. The culprit that killed him was @ defective faceplate

clasp that’ cost fifty cents.
The CIA was so desperate to‘buy time for these Soviet over-

engineers and have them write a bogus flight manual for a.U-2

fifty thousand feet that carried only scientific weather gear in
its bay. The manual included phony instrument panel photos
with altered markings for speed, altitude, and load factor
limits. Four copies-were produced and then artificially aged
with grease, coffee stains, and cigarette burns. How or if the

never told.

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Questions for Follow-up DO Records Briefing
April 1, 1997

1, At what point did the DDP begin to keep records of destroyed records? For.
example, in a Cold Warrior footnote, Tom Mangold reports that as any of Angleton’s
files were destroyed, "a complete record was carefully maintained about what had been
done. (George) Kalaris signed off on every file and the DCI’s office was notified."

(p. 143) Where are these records?

2. Could an archival search be run on specific topics for retired records at the CIA’s |
Record’s Center? Perhaps an ARRB staffer could be present during the search to review
the abstracts and to suggest other fields or topics to be searched?

3. Could a crypt search for records containing relevant crypts be run through
cryptographic reference? How would queries need to be framed and stated?

4. Why is it so difficult to develop a list for all personnel (official, contract,
administrative, or TDY) assigned to the post referenced in RIF 104-10065-10199 from
1959-1964?

5. We have been working to identify all technical and surveillance operations in and on
the Cuban and Soviet consulates and embassies in Mexico City between September 1
and December 1, 1963. How can we frame a search query to determine if we have a
comprehensive and complete list of all operations at that time?

6. How can a search query be framed to document all electronic take produced by the
Mexico City Station in the immediate wake of the assassination (the first month) and
during the period of Oswald's visit? How can we verify that what exists in the
Sequestered Collection represents all records of the technical production that was
available at the time of the assassination? If additional records or original production
still exists, where would it be stored or filed? What searches could be conducted to’
retrieve any additional records? If such electronic take has been destroyed, do records
exist of the destruction?

7, Could you describe the process by which operational funds are proposed, approved,
received, and distributed (circa 1963). What funding and disbursement records exist?
How are they organized? How should a request be formulated to institute a reasonable
search of these records?

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8. We have seen DDP monthly operational reports which contain information on the
allocation/ distribution of operational funds. Are there other DDP records which would
reflect how certain projects utilized their funding? How are these records organized? _
How should a search query be framed? ©

9. Various open sources have linked the CIA to various journalists and publishing
companies during the 1960's. How should a query be framed to search for connections
between the Agency and journalists or publishing companies?

10. Did the Agency have any relationship, projects, or contacts with publishing houses
during the time of the assassination and in the aftermath of the Warren Commission?
How would a search be formulated to determine whether or not the Agency had a
relationship with any of the same publishing houses that were also publishing books
about the assassination?

11. How would a query be framed to search for files on any office or person dealing
with organized crime and Cuba? How should a request be formulated to institute a
reasonable search on this topic?

12. Is there a comprehensive record or list detailing the identities of individuals on the
Interagency Source Register? How are these records organized? How can a search
query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular individual appears in the

_ Register.

13. How could a search query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular
individual was given access to classified information by DCD (then OO)? What kind of
files are assembled in the process of clearing non-Agency contacts / sources for access to
classified information?

14, ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-13, dated
November 1, 1996, contained the following questions:

A. What forms of backchannel communications were there between the
Mexico City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters
during 1963? By “backchannel” we mean, inter alia, any administrative,
senior staff, or restricted access communications, or any written or
electronic communications other than regular cables or dispatches (of the
type included in the JFK Collection).

B. Were there, in fact, any backchannel communications between the Mexico

City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters during the
time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 1963?

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C. ‘To the extent that there were any backchannel communications for the
time. periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov. 1963 (other than
those currently contained in the JFK Collection), please make such records
available for review.

Why has it been so difficult to answer these questions?

15. ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-14, dated
December 23, 1996, documented our request for the annual or biannual Station reports
for Mexico City Station for 1963 and 1964. Why has it been so difficult to provide these
reports?

16. The attached Agency document released in 1996 contains the paragraph:

11, A memorandum marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signed M.D.

Stevens, says that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, #280207, was granted a covert

security approval on 10 December 1962 so that he could be used in Project

_ QKENCHANT. (Clay) Shaw has # 402897-A.

What do these numbers mean? What does the “A“ at the ends of Shaw’s number
signify? Do the files identified by these numbers still exist? Why was Sullivan granted
a covert security approval?
17. During the period 1959-1963, what was the purpose or goal of OKENCHANT?

18. Under what circumstances were non-agency employees given covert security
clearances for the QKENCHANT project?

19. Did Clay Shaw receive a covert security approval for the QKENCHANT project?
Why was one needed? Did Clay Shaw receive covert security clearances for any
project other than QKENCHANT

20. What did Clay Shaw do within the QKENCHANT project?

21. Do records exist to account for the disposition of all files on Clay Shaw?

22. Did Howard Hunt have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior to
1964? .

23, Did J. Monroe Sullivan have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior
to 1964?

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24. The DO telephone directories list an Operational Services /Defector Staff beginning
in October 1959? What was the Defector Staff? Did it have an operational component?

25, In the period 1959-1964, were DO officers, selected to serve overseas‘under State)
Department cover, legally considered to be "members of the Foreign Service, appointed}
by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate?

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ae SUBJECT! Clay L.\@RAW (201-813493).

1. Subject was born on 17 March 1913 in New Orleans,

Louleiana. :

fg 2. Standard background information on subject .
, (parents, marital etatus, records of education and
employment, etc.) fa lacking bacause SHAW was a contact
of the Domestic Contact Service.

3, Traces on Subject havea been zun in RID/Main

Indax, the index of tha Office of Security and tha
Central Cover Staff. The first showad only a 1951 FBr
interview with SHAW about a former employee of tha New,
Orleans International Trade Mart. The sacond showed
that 00/Contacts Division had requested a name trace ;

. ‘about 1949 and that the chack of FBI xeoords then aon-

‘ ducted was negative. Central Cover Staff*had no record.

4. Same of the 00-B reports based on SHAW' a
zeporting ara on hand. Thay axe the following. (It
de noted that the sources dezoription identifies the

° ‘source by job title.)

Do ‘a. OO~B 47958, 26 March 1952, concaxns
' . a4 letter written to the public relations
; diractor of the International Trade
Mart by one Dr. Jutta SCHALLER, a trade
conaultant to the Ronn Government.
. letter ia a follow-up of diacusadona held
ttf in Now Orleans during December 1951, ‘The
¢ letter said that Soviet production and
a export trade were od advertised and

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b. 00-28-9381, 27 Decdmber 1948. Information
-acquirad 16 Dacembex 19468. SHAW (identified
by job title) has agreed to leass to the
C8R government 1,000. Fagot of space for a
aiep. ay of merchandise in New Orleans. The
jeuse se for one year, starting 1 April.

GS. 00-B-4933-49, 14 Juna 1949, information
data late April, and early May 1549. Rasults
of a trip SHAW made in March through, May
1949 in West Indies, Central Ararica, and
Northern. Sbuth America. ~~

a. 00-B-4934-49, 14 June 1949, same general
subject and background as above.

@. 00+B~4535-49, 14 June 1949, as above.

f. , 00-8=35477,' 29 June 1951. Results of a
SHAW tyip in 1951 in Central and South
Amexica and the Caribbean araa.

5. On 9 May ‘1961 Ganeral C. B. Cabell, then DDCr,
addressed tha Foreign Policy Association of New Orleang,
Tt is believed that he was introduced by Clay SHAW,

6. On 3 March 1967 the Washington Star reported
that Garrison had arrested SHAW and had made publica
charges that SHAW, FERRIE, OSWALD, and others had plotted
the assassination in the apartment of FERRIE at 3300
Loulalana Parkway, New Orleans. SHAW hag said ‘that he
never saw OSWALD. le denles having used the name Clay
BERTRAND, Jack 8S. MARTIN said that FERRIE had mentioned

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SHAW to him. J.. Monroe SULLIVAN, executive director of  -
the San Francisca World ‘Trada Center, told the Asaoclated
Preas that SHAW was in San Francisco and touring the

. Canter with him on tha day of the agaagdination. SHAW,
now vatired, was formaxly the managing director of the
International Trada Maxt in New Orleans. He 4a $4 years
old. Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attomey Ganeral, said that the
PBI had investigated SHAW late in 1963. “on the evidence
that the FBI has, thera wag no connection found" with the
apsageination. .

‘ 7. - Memorandum No. 84-67, 3 March 1967, from Chief,
vow Orleans Office, to Dizector, Domastia Contact Service,
re . .

a. The firat contact of the New Orleans office
of the DCS with Clay SHAW occurred in
December 1948. A nana check request wad
-yaturned “no info"-on 23 Maveh 1949. SHAW
was contacted by Mr. Hunter Leake of the
New Orleans offica saven times in 1949,
twice in 1950, fiva times in 1951, nina
times in 1952, onca in 1953, twice in 1954,

_ twica {in 1955, and twice in 1956. SHAW ;
. . is the source of eight 00-B reports sub-
mitted by tha New Orlasns office, At one
tima hea had the “Y" number 145.1. The .-
Last contact took placa on 25 May 1956
On 23 January 1967 Jack 5. MARTIN phoned
thea New Orleans office, said that he was
working on an important undexcover deal
. for. Garrieon and Detectiva Louis TVON,

and was calling at IVON‘'s request. fifa was
éulling to ask the head of the CIA office
to talaphone IVON on his unlisted number.
No such call was made. The writer, Lloyd
A, Ray, aoke that tha General Counsel be
-informad and that he provide advice.

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@. Undated and unsigned memorandum (probably
’ produced hy CI/R & A). ‘The following additional infor~
mation was provided by the New Orleans office of DCS.

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‘ and qeaatings wary exchanged, « Thaslast much casial

' .. anequntex. was. juse befove Suaw's retdranent in 1965.

5, nm 7 “Maxoh Laer Pravdn published an act tele

: @atied "Clay shaw of tha EXW'"datelined ‘Rome, 6 March
2067, weitkan by Vi YERMAKOV, Tha octicle charged thas. +
clan made, use ef! the aervieas of Clay £NAW for CIA's oun
intarasts dn Ltaly. The Prhvée pleas motas that the: BA

- in Now Oelaana ix accusing SHAW of parciedpation in the.,
nssaseination’ conspiracy. It saya SHAN gpwht “gems yorms"
ia Bors an A World Teada contey loaday. It elaime that
thea Contexy.wan eo cover for finanaing antlrecesmunios ackiyity.

. GIA gave divectiver. to SHAW, ‘The Moxld Syada Cantor was
vo a beanch of “Pamelden” (aie), “whieh che novepapard in

- _ Sultensland opanky secused of 'orimingsl operations’ ....”

‘the icommants It, appaarce that. all of the Frauds chasgas. ave
fa Uncxn,- Geant thet thera wae a CIA-GUAW Fotationship. 8a
re fox -aé.is. known, SUA wan newer asked to uso hin relation -

; shio with the: Werld trade Center for clandestine puxpouas
ae i act, na has not bagn in Mealy.)

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_ *  ehoewk SHAN, Eha aeeasainatlon, end.the.Wogld fseda Canter.  .
i Contains no saldvant informetion,,  - ee

a . a nLri iatesandem maxkad only for file, 16 Maseh 1047,
: Vahensoyons, soyd, that g. Bourca GUILEVAN, §280207,

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Co [1969).Gubjaa@t: “'Prnee Rolie on, Persons Connected with
. . Seoatooes fondieia. Camtereiala® (World trode Canter) « filed
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by chanca, in various downtown New Orlesna xestaurants,

and greetings wera axchanged. The last such casual
eneounter was just bafore SHAW's retirement in 1965.

e. 3. On 7 March 1967 Pravda published an artielea -
oalled "Clay Shaw of.the CIA” datalined Rome, 6 March
ot 1967, written. by V, YERMAKOV, The article charged that.
7 , CLA made use of the sarvices of Clay SHAW for: CIA's own

. interests dniItaly, ‘The Pravda piace notew that tle DA
in New Orleans is accusing SHAW. of participation in the
assassination conspiracy. It eays SHAW spent “soma yeaxe"
. in Rome as a Horld Trada Canter leader. It claims that
wo the Centar wag ‘a cover-for finanaing anti-Communise activity.
‘ CIA gave diractives to SHAW. The orld Trade Canter was
& branch of "Pexmlidax" (gic), “which the newspapers in
Swhtserland openly accused of ‘oriminal operations’... .°
(Comments It ‘appears that all of the Pravda charges ara
7. untrue, axcept: that thora was a CIA“-SRAW ralationship. 50
far aa is known, SHAW Was naver asked to use his ralation-
Ship with the World Trada Center far clandestine purposes
and, in fact, ha has not bean in Italy.)

10. Memorandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 8 March
1967 subjact:. Italian Aspacte of the Clay Shaw Affair.
The Corriere’ della Sera of 5 March 1967 has an artiole
: abou UP @ Adsasgination, and the World Trade Canter.
-¢ . Contains no xelavant information.

| 21. A mamorendwn marked only for file, 16 Maroh 1967,
_ 6ignod M.D. Stevans, gays that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, §280207,
was granted.a covert sacurity approval.on 10 Dacembar 1962
go that he ‘could be used in Projact CIENCHANT, SHAW has

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. 12. Memozandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 24 March
_— 1967,. Subject: “Trace Rasulte on Persons Conneated with

‘Centra MondLale Commarclala® (World Trade Center), filed
CI/R't A folder, Clay ‘SHAW - working papara. © - Lo

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a. The S' March 1967 Jesue of 2) Nesengyexvo. 2 Te
links SHAW with the World Trade-Center. © : fe
Othara linked to the cantar wore traced, .
with resulta reported in this. mamorandum, .

No ralationahip to the Garrison invastigation
‘appears here. A report on "Paxrmidex”, a
Swiss corporation with principal offices .

in Rome, is also in the file beacause the
World Trada Centar and Permidex ara
aggociated. Again, thore 19 no information
here which relates significantly to tha

case Garrison ia trying to build in New
Oxlaans,. . . ;

"13. The Washington Post, Outlook, 2 April 1967,
“Saaking Truth in New. Orleans aala of the
Night", Gaoxge Lardner, Jr. . ,

a. Garricon's men droya ROSSO to SHAW's
French Quartex homa, RUSSO posed as a
Mutual of Omaha salesman. He knocked at
. : door; SHAW answered. . RUSSO said that he
° Was Clem BERTRAND. ‘.

. b. SIAW ia a Sd-year 014 bachelor ‘and
‘ ; socialite who pioneered the 33-story
. International Trade Mart in Naw Orleans,
. . He was subpoehaad by Garrison's offica —
on 1 March 1947. According to his friends,
. his questioners did not advise him of hia
. rights. Thay told him they had avidence
; of a meeting with FERRIE and OSWALO.
: . There was a fuss ‘and SHAW was asxectes
ee and booked on conspiracy ta murdar JPR.
; . . That night Garrison's mn raided SHAW's
. apartment and confiscated whips, ‘chains,
a black not cap, a cape and hood. RUSSO
told reporters that he did not know Clay
SHAW, but ha identified the man arrested
by Garrison as Clam BERTRAND. ; : ve
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— Mr, Ouazew, No; 1 think in each cawe it will depend go mush om the alteation
with the partienlar person. if @ person comes Im and be is very agttated or
something of that kind, ft might dictate « totaly different aypronch chan  differ~
enthindof thing:

Myr. Dowces, Wouldot it he weeful thongh a give—I don went t suggest
what the Secretary of State ehbould de in this, but In the light af Uile experl~
ence, would there not be some benefit possibly in giving people in the field the
veeolt of the experience galmed in this particular case?

Me, Cours. Well, the general approach, and other mutiere related io it,
ate touched on fo orlentetion coursed for consular officers and eo om. T think
as [ look on Consul Boyder’sa actions, That he behaved very moeh He & nexpon-
side Forelgn Servioa officer,

That heppesed long before 1 wes im the Department, so I. ean say that
without any involvement. But if seemed te me thal be Gid-jusi what be
should have done, desplte-the unfortunate aftermath. And it shows to ma, at
leant, that the traning and.orieatation that these people are getting Je right, is
serticeable, and they are able to handle these situations as they- come to” .

- Mz, Dovazs, I realize thet you! ought not te prescribe herd aud: fost rales,

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ve.

Suet raise the question ax te whether a geod deal of experience Lamn't bean gained
in this case in that very feld.

Mr. Ogarre. Well, £ may very well be that more attention to that particular
1 soc Wot hot Hn mame ou 08 3 Theee things

pend te reflect wheat ie het at the manent you kmow, and If you haven't had
trouble awith samething for a pretty long time, it tenda maybe not te get
mentloned. .

Regeusentative Foun If Oswald had persisted that day, October #1, in de-
\ mauding the form that ts @ prerequisite under your deflaition fer yenunelation,
would Sayder heave been required to give it to him and permit him to sign if?

Me. Cravens. LJ think if it bed been in ordinary office hows when the eon-
wilate wae open for business, aed if Suyder wae eatiefied that he waa compebant,
thet Oswald was edmpetznt, he would have t give him the farm, yes, lr.

tative Four. Does Snyder. have the authority to make a detennine~
lon ef compelency?

Mr: Cuaves. No; he doemn’t have the authority to make a determination of
competence, and I enppose it Ia possible at some point to get the lewe tried in
court. But FE think a conwalar ofiicer would prebably be acting within his
diseretion if be aaw sombody who wae drank or raving or something and Just
. said, “Well, I am not going to give you this mill I am sure thet your action is
your ect.” After all; when the congul accepts the oeth, be is curtifying that it
iy ths aet of the person in @ meaningful sense, and eo if be thought that the
‘pergen, was Incompetent, 1 think be would bave discretion not te give the oath,
But I pot that fer aside becative ie the particular case bere, Mr. Snyder made

‘tleay Ghat he hud ne reason to doubt thet Qawald waa fall} competent.

And o if Oowald hed bee there at a time when‘the office was open, or had
vetromed 2b. a Ome when the office was open, and had percisted in bin demand,
T think Suyder would have been under an obligation bo give him the Jor.

ve Wow. The ovly teclovies] reagort or buale upon which Bagder
emild bave denied Oewald the right thet day waw the fuct thet it was on &

Saturday, @ fon-worklng-hour perled of the Embassy.

‘Mr, Oxtaxea. Yeu; E think ho had every right to try t dimmuade kim, er per
soade him not bo act or permade bima to think tt over and come back the next
day. But if after allef that Oewald still hed'aaid “But E went to do it ave”
and if the office was open for businesd, them I think he would have bai to do it.

. My. Dewees. [ think i might he necful if ib has not bee dene te botrodocs
af thig point ad an exhibit.the form af oath of remunciation. exe fp the fox

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it ls already in our records.
Reprsmtative Foun, 1 agree. ,

’ Bir, Goumas. Moy if den’. mit Conid we ‘sty it wil be marked as Commlasion
Exhibit No. 655 and pluce this sticker on that page, phobostat if and then Just.
acm if haste? .

that thare ig a broad range of discretion that should be exercised here. Bet 1

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wae 6 regular working day———_ .
My, Coleman, Mr; Commissioner, he did not ‘ome beck on Noveer He Fs
taacely wrote @ lethar- , : .
=, Mr. Owaven, Wrote a letter. He never came back. .. Oo
Representative Fou. dre al af the employes, —— Mr. MeVickas,
and the ethesy who had amy. firsthand exotact. with ‘the. Dweala came to thts

came Back an November 3, 1 bet =e, which ch

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hint directly, I think the mecretary, cle sere so. only ons is it
to do with hin except ea. a receptionist. oa fe me wae For. Bre
ica officers aid are now Foreig Berylos alficers.
Tere me, the sie terms cas
"es axae. Yea, members of Baiglge ery appointed
‘President wil the. cmd cormant of tbe Bere . te, rye
: Reprenstative Fon, Could you fll ns fa a. Ut more dealt tie proton that
{_you flere or Sh reseed you carried out whea you fiz got into the

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You mentioned -yesterday pou you got « call or you were directed by I beileve
the Secretary of State ox by somebody in bigher authority to take cortuin xieps.
: Whi you tell us who called you, whut you did in the thret % or 4 days?
Mr, Castes. It waa the evialog of the day, perhaps allout, § o’clock ‘an the
day of the amaesinetion. It may have becu-soméwhat earlier, becatiwe 1 tink
i remember I went home for an beur then came beck’ to catry’ out this —
that Oswald had soma history as

Mr, Denies, Ball js the Unger well ~ DS.

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Mr. Graves, He wae the tha cling Secretary berause the Secretary of Btate
ag you recall wag on 4 Pane over the Pactic. . Bo he was the Acting Bomretary,
nut even if be had boou the Under Secretary ba is my client.
Regecgentative Foun. He wtill had some antherity, .
Ms. Cuawee. Vee: he directed me to gather together the fies m the: Depa rimesrt
on Oswald, and to prepare « report to. be-avafiable for hien-the first thing in the
mering Covering as best ve could within that Hime span the contaets t
Oswald had with the Department. i
We got the passport file. ‘We got the security: office file. We got the mpecia! :
econsulay services file which covere] Mrs. Oewald’s vie and the repstvietion
Joon.  I-thiwk these three Gles were the amex that we hed. Xi may have been
there wae a smaller fourth fle, but ¥ think those three were the ones,
seneenentive Hos What would that amaller fourth file be? :
ca cme, Cem'h remember, It was dwplicetes (f it was anything. that
fe ee we wad Ae file son] an BOS fle so thowe were the four. ne soe
OL ls Pecial Consular Services.im the office, iu the Burea Secnrh
and Consular Affairs, ae ial
Representative Moen. You got this order on or alot & o'dock the
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| Mr, Onarea, Whe 22d; yee, sir.
ive Fox, And you ismued orders to have these fee b
ox did you go and get them yourself? rah &

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Representative Foes, Or what happened? - State Dept: cmplous
Re. Onaces. 1 iemed orders to have ghem brought in. a ing
te think how we got them. ‘@ Mr. Eielich.) Id you eo down and
get them? Mx, Ehylich and another of my people, we worked D.
throngl the aight om this, ree af ue all together and it may be that the”
tere of them. went down to get than, 7 don't Tink wo Just ealled over the tete-
Whone and saked ther te be heought up. « - it
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Mz, Ouarms It 2 my recollection that ono of these two postmen, sith a

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