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[15]' To: Barry Harrelson Date: March 31, 1997
[16]Fax #: 703-613-3060 Pages: 17, including this cover sheet.
[17]From: Michelle Combs
[18]Subject: DS&T and DO Briefing Questions
[22]Barry,
[24]Attached are the final versions of the DS&T and DO briefing questions. There are no changes in
[25]the DS&T questions, Questions have been added to the DO list to reflect our conversation
[26]March 19 and 20. You, of course, already have our detailed explanations for the earlier DO
[27]questions. If you have any questions or if there are any problems, please give me acall. I should
[28]be in all day. See you tomorrow.
[30]Michelle
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[38]HTLINGUAL
[40]1. What kinds of records might the DS&T maintain on the HTLINGUAL project? How
[41]could these records be queried?
[42]Castro Assassination Plots
[44]1. What kinds of records would TSD or other offices of DS&T have maintained on the
[45]various Castro assassination plots? How might a search query be framed to isolate
[46]these records?
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[51]"SKUNK WORKS
[53]A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed
[55]BEN R. RICH AND LEO JANOS
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[80]| “Copyright © 1994 by Ben R. Rich
[81]All rights.reseived, No part of this book may be reproduced in
[82]any form of by any slenronic or mechaniod mene ees
[83]information storage’and retrieval systems, except by a
[85]reviewer who miay quote brief passages ina review. = hte
[87]we First Edition
[89]Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data
[91]Rich, Ben R.
[92]_  Skuvk Works: a personal memoir of my years at Lockheed / Ben R. Rich and Leo
[93]Janos. —- lat : oo . . ‘
[95]. Pp . cm
[97]index.
[98]ISBN 0-316-74330-5
[99]1, Lockheed
[101]. Advariced
[102]Career in aeronautics. 3. Aeronautics —
[103]Janos, Leo. 11. Title. IIL Title: Skunk Works.
[104]TLS65.R53 1994. .
[107]United States — History. I.
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[111].-098768 4321
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[115]Published simultaneously in Canada
[116]by Litile, Brown & Company (Canada) Limited
[118]Printed in the United States of America
[120]Development Company — Histo : 2. Rich, Ben R. —
[122]FO CoRR Aemeneti mT eapeet + setenal:
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[127]RAS PRES
[129]“eww oF rey ee Eh mT
[131]flights that Bissell got Kelly to sequester four of our test flight
[133]twice as heavy as. ours and with 4 maximum altitude of only
[135]_agency got-them into Soviet hands only Mr. B knew, and he
[137]OVERFLYING RUSSIA 153
[138]' The next thing we tried was 4s something called ‘a Salisbury _
[140]"+ screen, a metallic grid.applied to the airplane's undercarriage
[142]in the hope of deflecting incoming radar beams, but it worked
[143]only at some frequencies and altitudes and-not at others.
[144]‘Kelly thought it was more ‘practical to. try special iron fer
[145]rite paints that would ‘absorb a radar ‘ping rather tha
[146]bounce it back to the sender. The paints were moderately ef-.
[147]fective but inhibited heat dissipation through the airframe’s
[148]outer skin and‘ we experienced overheating engine problems.
[149]But the paint:lowered the radar cross section by one order of
[150]magnitude, so we decided to give it a try. We called these
[151]specially painted airplanes “dirty birds” and shipped the first
[152]one out for flight testing in April 1957. Our test pilot, Bob
[153]Sieker, took-the U-2 up to over. seventy thousand feet and
[154]suddenly radioed that he was experiencing rapid airframe
[155]heat buildup. Moments later his engine blew out and the face.
[156]plate blew off Bob's oxygen mask as his pressure suit in-
[158]_stantly inflated. "The U-2' dove straight down and crashed. It
[160]took us three days to locate the wreckage-and Bob's. body, An
[162]. autopsy revealed that above seventy thousand feet he: had
[164]suffered ‘acute hypoxia and lost consciousness in only ten
[165]seconds. The culprit that killed him was @ defective faceplate
[167]clasp that’ cost fifty cents.
[168]The CIA was so desperate to‘buy time for these Soviet over-
[170]engineers and have them write a bogus flight manual for a.U-2
[172]fifty thousand feet that carried only scientific weather gear in
[173]its bay. The manual included phony instrument panel photos
[174]with altered markings for speed, altitude, and load factor
[175]limits. Four copies-were produced and then artificially aged
[176]with grease, coffee stains, and cigarette burns. How or if the
[178]never told.
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[184]Questions for Follow-up DO Records Briefing
[185]April 1, 1997
[187]1, At what point did the DDP begin to keep records of destroyed records? For.
[188]example, in a Cold Warrior footnote, Tom Mangold reports that as any of Angleton’s
[189]files were destroyed, "a complete record was carefully maintained about what had been
[190]done. (George) Kalaris signed off on every file and the DCI’s office was notified."
[192](p. 143) Where are these records?
[194]2. Could an archival search be run on specific topics for retired records at the CIA’s |
[195]Record’s Center? Perhaps an ARRB staffer could be present during the search to review
[196]the abstracts and to suggest other fields or topics to be searched?
[198]3. Could a crypt search for records containing relevant crypts be run through
[199]cryptographic reference? How would queries need to be framed and stated?
[201]4. Why is it so difficult to develop a list for all personnel (official, contract,
[202]administrative, or TDY) assigned to the post referenced in RIF 104-10065-10199 from
[205]5. We have been working to identify all technical and surveillance operations in and on
[206]the Cuban and Soviet consulates and embassies in Mexico City between September 1
[207]and December 1, 1963. How can we frame a search query to determine if we have a
[208]comprehensive and complete list of all operations at that time?
[210]6. How can a search query be framed to document all electronic take produced by the
[211]Mexico City Station in the immediate wake of the assassination (the first month) and
[212]during the period of Oswald's visit? How can we verify that what exists in the
[213]Sequestered Collection represents all records of the technical production that was
[214]available at the time of the assassination? If additional records or original production
[215]still exists, where would it be stored or filed? What searches could be conducted to’
[216]retrieve any additional records? If such electronic take has been destroyed, do records
[217]exist of the destruction?
[219]7, Could you describe the process by which operational funds are proposed, approved,
[220]received, and distributed (circa 1963). What funding and disbursement records exist?
[221]How are they organized? How should a request be formulated to institute a reasonable
[222]search of these records?
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[228]8. We have seen DDP monthly operational reports which contain information on the
[229]allocation/ distribution of operational funds. Are there other DDP records which would
[230]reflect how certain projects utilized their funding? How are these records organized? _
[231]How should a search query be framed? ©
[233]9. Various open sources have linked the CIA to various journalists and publishing
[234]companies during the 1960's. How should a query be framed to search for connections
[235]between the Agency and journalists or publishing companies?
[237]10. Did the Agency have any relationship, projects, or contacts with publishing houses
[238]during the time of the assassination and in the aftermath of the Warren Commission?
[239]How would a search be formulated to determine whether or not the Agency had a
[240]relationship with any of the same publishing houses that were also publishing books
[241]about the assassination?
[243]11. How would a query be framed to search for files on any office or person dealing
[244]with organized crime and Cuba? How should a request be formulated to institute a
[245]reasonable search on this topic?
[247]12. Is there a comprehensive record or list detailing the identities of individuals on the
[248]Interagency Source Register? How are these records organized? How can a search
[249]query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular individual appears in the
[251]_ Register.
[253]13. How could a search query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular
[254]individual was given access to classified information by DCD (then OO)? What kind of
[255]files are assembled in the process of clearing non-Agency contacts / sources for access to
[256]classified information?
[258]14, ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-13, dated
[259]November 1, 1996, contained the following questions:
[261]A. What forms of backchannel communications were there between the
[262]Mexico City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters
[263]during 1963? By “backchannel” we mean, inter alia, any administrative,
[264]senior staff, or restricted access communications, or any written or
[265]electronic communications other than regular cables or dispatches (of the
[266]type included in the JFK Collection).
[268]B. Were there, in fact, any backchannel communications between the Mexico
[270]City Station (including the COS), JMWAVE, or Headquarters during the
[271]time periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 1963?
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[279]C. ‘To the extent that there were any backchannel communications for the
[280]time. periods 27 Sept - 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov. 1963 (other than
[281]those currently contained in the JFK Collection), please make such records
[282]available for review.
[284]Why has it been so difficult to answer these questions?
[286]15. ARRB’s Request for Additional Information and Record No. CIA-14, dated
[287]December 23, 1996, documented our request for the annual or biannual Station reports
[288]for Mexico City Station for 1963 and 1964. Why has it been so difficult to provide these
[289]reports?
[291]16. The attached Agency document released in 1996 contains the paragraph:
[293]11, A memorandum marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signed M.D.
[295]Stevens, says that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, #280207, was granted a covert
[297]security approval on 10 December 1962 so that he could be used in Project
[299]_ QKENCHANT. (Clay) Shaw has # 402897-A.
[301]What do these numbers mean? What does the “A“ at the ends of Shaw’s number
[302]signify? Do the files identified by these numbers still exist? Why was Sullivan granted
[303]a covert security approval?
[304]17. During the period 1959-1963, what was the purpose or goal of OKENCHANT?
[306]18. Under what circumstances were non-agency employees given covert security
[307]clearances for the QKENCHANT project?
[309]19. Did Clay Shaw receive a covert security approval for the QKENCHANT project?
[310]Why was one needed? Did Clay Shaw receive covert security clearances for any
[311]project other than QKENCHANT
[313]20. What did Clay Shaw do within the QKENCHANT project?
[315]21. Do records exist to account for the disposition of all files on Clay Shaw?
[317]22. Did Howard Hunt have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior to
[318]1964? .
[320]23, Did J. Monroe Sullivan have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior
[321]to 1964?
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[325]SECRET
[327]SECRET
[329]24. The DO telephone directories list an Operational Services /Defector Staff beginning
[330]in October 1959? What was the Defector Staff? Did it have an operational component?
[332]25, In the period 1959-1964, were DO officers, selected to serve overseas‘under State)
[333]Department cover, legally considered to be "members of the Foreign Service, appointed}
[334]by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate?
[336]SECRET
[338]SECRET
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[352]ep Notes
[353]CIA HISTORICAL REVIEW PROGRAM ; ein mayne o ai ep ia 9k) elvedane
[354], im Enclosure 21 ' va unebuled tek
[357]ae SUBJECT! Clay L.\@RAW (201-813493).
[359]1. Subject was born on 17 March 1913 in New Orleans,
[361]Louleiana. :
[363]fg 2. Standard background information on subject .
[364], (parents, marital etatus, records of education and
[365]employment, etc.) fa lacking bacause SHAW was a contact
[366]of the Domestic Contact Service.
[368]3, Traces on Subject havea been zun in RID/Main
[370]Indax, the index of tha Office of Security and tha
[371]Central Cover Staff. The first showad only a 1951 FBr
[372]interview with SHAW about a former employee of tha New,
[373]Orleans International Trade Mart. The sacond showed
[374]that 00/Contacts Division had requested a name trace ;
[376]. ‘about 1949 and that the chack of FBI xeoords then aon-
[378]‘ ducted was negative. Central Cover Staff*had no record.
[380]4. Same of the 00-B reports based on SHAW' a
[381]zeporting ara on hand. Thay axe the following. (It
[382]de noted that the sources dezoription identifies the
[384]° ‘source by job title.)
[386]Do ‘a. OO~B 47958, 26 March 1952, concaxns
[387]' . a4 letter written to the public relations
[388]; diractor of the International Trade
[389]Mart by one Dr. Jutta SCHALLER, a trade
[390]conaultant to the Ronn Government.
[391]. letter ia a follow-up of diacusadona held
[392]ttf in Now Orleans during December 1951, ‘The
[393]¢ letter said that Soviet production and
[394]a export trade were od advertised and
[396], | | o> Clocumant (Bo. 49.3-Y
[398]. 4 for FOIA Revie
[399]> wer DEC 1977
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[420], MOLAARRD, PRA PE, 102-696 (FX ACD |’
[421]MARA ? Dain
[423]promoted by Weat German money. The
[424]ublioation Wer Liefert Was?, published
[425]n Laipzig, Ja now alao being published
[426]in Hamburg, at: a price much lower than
[427]compatitive volumes,
[429]b. 00-28-9381, 27 Decdmber 1948. Information
[430]-acquirad 16 Dacembex 19468. SHAW (identified
[431]by job title) has agreed to leass to the
[432]C8R government 1,000. Fagot of space for a
[433]aiep. ay of merchandise in New Orleans. The
[434]jeuse se for one year, starting 1 April.
[436]GS. 00-B-4933-49, 14 Juna 1949, information
[437]data late April, and early May 1549. Rasults
[438]of a trip SHAW made in March through, May
[439]1949 in West Indies, Central Ararica, and
[440]Northern. Sbuth America. ~~
[442]a. 00-B-4934-49, 14 June 1949, same general
[443]subject and background as above.
[445]@. 00+B~4535-49, 14 June 1949, as above.
[447]f. , 00-8=35477,' 29 June 1951. Results of a
[448]SHAW tyip in 1951 in Central and South
[449]Amexica and the Caribbean araa.
[451]5. On 9 May ‘1961 Ganeral C. B. Cabell, then DDCr,
[452]addressed tha Foreign Policy Association of New Orleang,
[453]Tt is believed that he was introduced by Clay SHAW,
[455]6. On 3 March 1967 the Washington Star reported
[456]that Garrison had arrested SHAW and had made publica
[457]charges that SHAW, FERRIE, OSWALD, and others had plotted
[458]the assassination in the apartment of FERRIE at 3300
[459]Loulalana Parkway, New Orleans. SHAW hag said ‘that he
[460]never saw OSWALD. le denles having used the name Clay
[461]BERTRAND, Jack 8S. MARTIN said that FERRIE had mentioned
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[480]SHAW to him. J.. Monroe SULLIVAN, executive director of  -
[481]the San Francisca World ‘Trada Center, told the Asaoclated
[482]Preas that SHAW was in San Francisco and touring the
[484]. Canter with him on tha day of the agaagdination. SHAW,
[485]now vatired, was formaxly the managing director of the
[486]International Trada Maxt in New Orleans. He 4a $4 years
[487]old. Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attomey Ganeral, said that the
[488]PBI had investigated SHAW late in 1963. “on the evidence
[489]that the FBI has, thera wag no connection found" with the
[490]apsageination. .
[492]‘ 7. - Memorandum No. 84-67, 3 March 1967, from Chief,
[493]vow Orleans Office, to Dizector, Domastia Contact Service,
[494]re . .
[496]a. The firat contact of the New Orleans office
[497]of the DCS with Clay SHAW occurred in
[498]December 1948. A nana check request wad
[499]-yaturned “no info"-on 23 Maveh 1949. SHAW
[500]was contacted by Mr. Hunter Leake of the
[501]New Orleans offica saven times in 1949,
[502]twice in 1950, fiva times in 1951, nina
[503]times in 1952, onca in 1953, twice in 1954,
[505]_ twica {in 1955, and twice in 1956. SHAW ;
[506]. . is the source of eight 00-B reports sub-
[507]mitted by tha New Orlasns office, At one
[508]tima hea had the “Y" number 145.1. The .-
[509]Last contact took placa on 25 May 1956
[510]On 23 January 1967 Jack 5. MARTIN phoned
[511]thea New Orleans office, said that he was
[512]working on an important undexcover deal
[513]. for. Garrieon and Detectiva Louis TVON,
[515]and was calling at IVON‘'s request. fifa was
[516]éulling to ask the head of the CIA office
[517]to talaphone IVON on his unlisted number.
[518]No such call was made. The writer, Lloyd
[519]A, Ray, aoke that tha General Counsel be
[520]-informad and that he provide advice.
[524]@. Undated and unsigned memorandum (probably
[525]’ produced hy CI/R & A). ‘The following additional infor~
[526]mation was provided by the New Orleans office of DCS.
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[539]bon Sines 25 May 1956 se. [Frosnanetnaistnna sean SHAY caswally,
[541]i4 by ehenca, Lv various déwntown Raw Orlacna ceqtauranta, + -
[542]‘ and qeaatings wary exchanged, « Thaslast much casial
[544]' .. anequntex. was. juse befove Suaw's retdranent in 1965.
[546]5, nm 7 “Maxoh Laer Pravdn published an act tele
[548]: @atied "Clay shaw of tha EXW'"datelined ‘Rome, 6 March
[549]2067, weitkan by Vi YERMAKOV, Tha octicle charged thas. +
[550]clan made, use ef! the aervieas of Clay £NAW for CIA's oun
[551]intarasts dn Ltaly. The Prhvée pleas motas that the: BA
[553]- in Now Oelaana ix accusing SHAW of parciedpation in the.,
[554]nssaseination’ conspiracy. It saya SHAN gpwht “gems yorms"
[555]ia Bors an A World Teada contey loaday. It elaime that
[556]thea Contexy.wan eo cover for finanaing antlrecesmunios ackiyity.
[558]. GIA gave divectiver. to SHAW, ‘The Moxld Syada Cantor was
[559]vo a beanch of “Pamelden” (aie), “whieh che novepapard in
[561]- _ Sultensland opanky secused of 'orimingsl operations’ ....”
[563]‘the icommants It, appaarce that. all of the Frauds chasgas. ave
[564]fa Uncxn,- Geant thet thera wae a CIA-GUAW Fotationship. 8a
[565]re fox -aé.is. known, SUA wan newer asked to uso hin relation -
[567]; shio with the: Werld trade Center for clandestine puxpouas
[568]ae i act, na has not bagn in Mealy.)
[570]aa : - Hamovan dun: “Soin ae ® Maren
[571]ing7" wabgactes -EGalion Ag#iosa of tho eqay Winw Atfaly,
[572]os Me Covelave Balla Besa of 8 Harel: L964 has a detleia |. ;
[573]_ *  ehoewk SHAN, Eha aeeasainatlon, end.the.Wogld fseda Canter.  .
[574]i Contains no saldvant informetion,,  - ee
[576]a . a nLri iatesandem maxkad only for file, 16 Maseh 1047,
[577]: Vahensoyons, soyd, that g. Bourca GUILEVAN, §280207,
[579]Bag:
[580]wos géeantad a aoverk scenrlty epproval on LO Becamhox, 1962
[581]#o fies, sould bo used an Brojact QREHCHAN®. SUN hes:
[582]C402007 ED .
[584]els. 28 92S cttemetandum exén RRO PE PONPTMTE 24 Havel
[585]Co [1969).Gubjaa@t: “'Prnee Rolie on, Persons Connected with
[586]. . Seoatooes fondieia. Camtereiala® (World trode Canter) « filed
[587]we a 4
[589]Hohe, Clay SHAW ~ waesing pavers, we,
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[602]sinea.25 May 1956 Mx. Hunter: Leake had seen SHAW casually,
[603]by chanca, in various downtown New Orlesna xestaurants,
[605]and greetings wera axchanged. The last such casual
[606]eneounter was just bafore SHAW's retirement in 1965.
[608]e. 3. On 7 March 1967 Pravda published an artielea -
[609]oalled "Clay Shaw of.the CIA” datalined Rome, 6 March
[610]ot 1967, written. by V, YERMAKOV, The article charged that.
[611]7 , CLA made use of the sarvices of Clay SHAW for: CIA's own
[613]. interests dniItaly, ‘The Pravda piace notew that tle DA
[614]in New Orleans is accusing SHAW. of participation in the
[615]assassination conspiracy. It eays SHAW spent “soma yeaxe"
[616]. in Rome as a Horld Trada Canter leader. It claims that
[617]wo the Centar wag ‘a cover-for finanaing anti-Communise activity.
[618]‘ CIA gave diractives to SHAW. The orld Trade Canter was
[619]& branch of "Pexmlidax" (gic), “which the newspapers in
[620]Swhtserland openly accused of ‘oriminal operations’... .°
[621](Comments It ‘appears that all of the Pravda charges ara
[622]7. untrue, axcept: that thora was a CIA“-SRAW ralationship. 50
[623]far aa is known, SHAW Was naver asked to use his ralation-
[624]Ship with the World Trada Center far clandestine purposes
[625]and, in fact, ha has not bean in Italy.)
[627]10. Memorandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 8 March
[628]1967 subjact:. Italian Aspacte of the Clay Shaw Affair.
[629]The Corriere’ della Sera of 5 March 1967 has an artiole
[630]: abou UP @ Adsasgination, and the World Trade Canter.
[631]-¢ . Contains no xelavant information.
[633]| 21. A mamorendwn marked only for file, 16 Maroh 1967,
[634]_ 6ignod M.D. Stevans, gays that J. Monroe SULLIVAN, §280207,
[635]was granted.a covert sacurity approval.on 10 Dacembar 1962
[636]go that he ‘could be used in Projact CIENCHANT, SHAW has
[639]. 12. Memozandum from C/EUR/I to C/CI/R & A, 24 March
[640]_— 1967,. Subject: “Trace Rasulte on Persons Conneated with
[642]‘Centra MondLale Commarclala® (World Trade Center), filed
[643]CI/R't A folder, Clay ‘SHAW - working papara. © - Lo
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[658]wana Sic “ 108-896 (JFK Act) |
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[661]a. The S' March 1967 Jesue of 2) Nesengyexvo. 2 Te
[662]links SHAW with the World Trade-Center. © : fe
[663]Othara linked to the cantar wore traced, .
[664]with resulta reported in this. mamorandum, .
[666]No ralationahip to the Garrison invastigation
[667]‘appears here. A report on "Paxrmidex”, a
[668]Swiss corporation with principal offices .
[670]in Rome, is also in the file beacause the
[671]World Trada Centar and Permidex ara
[672]aggociated. Again, thore 19 no information
[673]here which relates significantly to tha
[675]case Garrison ia trying to build in New
[676]Oxlaans,. . . ;
[678]"13. The Washington Post, Outlook, 2 April 1967,
[679]“Saaking Truth in New. Orleans aala of the
[680]Night", Gaoxge Lardner, Jr. . ,
[682]a. Garricon's men droya ROSSO to SHAW's
[683]French Quartex homa, RUSSO posed as a
[684]Mutual of Omaha salesman. He knocked at
[685]. : door; SHAW answered. . RUSSO said that he
[686]° Was Clem BERTRAND. ‘.
[688]. b. SIAW ia a Sd-year 014 bachelor ‘and
[689]‘ ; socialite who pioneered the 33-story
[690]. International Trade Mart in Naw Orleans,
[691]. . He was subpoehaad by Garrison's offica —
[692]on 1 March 1947. According to his friends,
[693]. his questioners did not advise him of hia
[694]. rights. Thay told him they had avidence
[695]; of a meeting with FERRIE and OSWALO.
[696]: . There was a fuss ‘and SHAW was asxectes
[697]ee and booked on conspiracy ta murdar JPR.
[698]; . . That night Garrison's mn raided SHAW's
[699]. apartment and confiscated whips, ‘chains,
[700]a black not cap, a cape and hood. RUSSO
[701]told reporters that he did not know Clay
[702]SHAW, but ha identified the man arrested
[703]by Garrison as Clam BERTRAND. ; : ve
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[716]— Mr, Ouazew, No; 1 think in each cawe it will depend go mush om the alteation
[717]with the partienlar person. if @ person comes Im and be is very agttated or
[718]something of that kind, ft might dictate « totaly different aypronch chan  differ~
[719]enthindof thing:
[721]Myr. Dowces, Wouldot it he weeful thongh a give—I don went t suggest
[722]what the Secretary of State ehbould de in this, but In the light af Uile experl~
[723]ence, would there not be some benefit possibly in giving people in the field the
[724]veeolt of the experience galmed in this particular case?
[726]Me, Cours. Well, the general approach, and other mutiere related io it,
[727]ate touched on fo orlentetion coursed for consular officers and eo om. T think
[728]as [ look on Consul Boyder’sa actions, That he behaved very moeh He & nexpon-
[729]side Forelgn Servioa officer,
[731]That heppesed long before 1 wes im the Department, so I. ean say that
[732]without any involvement. But if seemed te me thal be Gid-jusi what be
[733]should have done, desplte-the unfortunate aftermath. And it shows to ma, at
[734]leant, that the traning and.orieatation that these people are getting Je right, is
[735]serticeable, and they are able to handle these situations as they- come to” .
[737]- Mz, Dovazs, I realize thet you! ought not te prescribe herd aud: fost rales,
[739]eS
[740]ve.
[742]Suet raise the question ax te whether a geod deal of experience Lamn't bean gained
[743]in this case in that very feld.
[745]Mr. Ogarre. Well, £ may very well be that more attention to that particular
[746]1 soc Wot hot Hn mame ou 08 3 Theee things
[748]pend te reflect wheat ie het at the manent you kmow, and If you haven't had
[749]trouble awith samething for a pretty long time, it tenda maybe not te get
[750]mentloned. .
[752]Regeusentative Foun If Oswald had persisted that day, October #1, in de-
[753]\ mauding the form that ts @ prerequisite under your deflaition fer yenunelation,
[754]would Sayder heave been required to give it to him and permit him to sign if?
[756]Me. Cravens. LJ think if it bed been in ordinary office hows when the eon-
[757]wilate wae open for business, aed if Suyder wae eatiefied that he waa compebant,
[758]thet Oswald was edmpetznt, he would have t give him the farm, yes, lr.
[760]tative Four. Does Snyder. have the authority to make a detennine~
[763]Mr: Cuaves. No; he doemn’t have the authority to make a determination of
[764]competence, and I enppose it Ia possible at some point to get the lewe tried in
[765]court. But FE think a conwalar ofiicer would prebably be acting within his
[766]diseretion if be aaw sombody who wae drank or raving or something and Just
[767]. said, “Well, I am not going to give you this mill I am sure thet your action is
[768]your ect.” After all; when the congul accepts the oeth, be is curtifying that it
[769]iy ths aet of the person in @ meaningful sense, and eo if be thought that the
[770]‘pergen, was Incompetent, 1 think be would bave discretion not te give the oath,
[771]But I pot that fer aside becative ie the particular case bere, Mr. Snyder made
[773]‘tleay Ghat he hud ne reason to doubt thet Qawald waa fall} competent.
[775]And o if Oowald hed bee there at a time when‘the office was open, or had
[776]vetromed 2b. a Ome when the office was open, and had percisted in bin demand,
[777]T think Suyder would have been under an obligation bo give him the Jor.
[779]ve Wow. The ovly teclovies] reagort or buale upon which Bagder
[780]emild bave denied Oewald the right thet day waw the fuct thet it was on &
[782]Saturday, @ fon-worklng-hour perled of the Embassy.
[784]‘Mr, Oxtaxea. Yeu; E think ho had every right to try t dimmuade kim, er per
[785]soade him not bo act or permade bima to think tt over and come back the next
[786]day. But if after allef that Oewald still hed'aaid “But E went to do it ave”
[787]and if the office was open for businesd, them I think he would have bai to do it.
[789]. My. Dewees. [ think i might he necful if ib has not bee dene te botrodocs
[790]af thig point ad an exhibit.the form af oath of remunciation. exe fp the fox
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[822]maliend cath and I think it would be wel by have thie in eux records unless
[824]it ls already in our records.
[825]Reprsmtative Foun, 1 agree. ,
[827]’ Bir, Goumas. Moy if den’. mit Conid we ‘sty it wil be marked as Commlasion
[828]Exhibit No. 655 and pluce this sticker on that page, phobostat if and then Just.
[829]acm if haste? .
[831]that thare ig a broad range of discretion that should be exercised here. Bet 1
[833](Conrntaston Eehibit No, 966 wos marked for Wentificntion and received fa
[834]. ae
[835]Bepresestative Bren. Whea
[836]wae 6 regular working day———_ .
[837]My, Coleman, Mr; Commissioner, he did not ‘ome beck on Noveer He Fs
[838]taacely wrote @ lethar- , : .
[839]=, Mr. Owaven, Wrote a letter. He never came back. .. Oo
[840]Representative Fou. dre al af the employes, —— Mr. MeVickas,
[841]and the ethesy who had amy. firsthand exotact. with ‘the. Dweala came to thts
[843]came Back an November 3, 1 bet =e, which ch
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[854]: ; these. two men. who. wert’ the, w .
[855]hint directly, I think the mecretary, cle sere so. only ons is it
[856]to do with hin except ea. a receptionist. oa fe me wae For. Bre
[857]ica officers aid are now Foreig Berylos alficers.
[858]Tere me, the sie terms cas
[859]"es axae. Yea, members of Baiglge ery appointed
[860]‘President wil the. cmd cormant of tbe Bere . te, rye
[861]: Reprenstative Fon, Could you fll ns fa a. Ut more dealt tie proton that
[862]{_you flere or Sh reseed you carried out whea you fiz got into the
[868]You mentioned -yesterday pou you got « call or you were directed by I beileve
[869]the Secretary of State ox by somebody in bigher authority to take cortuin xieps.
[870]: Whi you tell us who called you, whut you did in the thret % or 4 days?
[871]Mr, Castes. It waa the evialog of the day, perhaps allout, § o’clock ‘an the
[872]day of the amaesinetion. It may have becu-soméwhat earlier, becatiwe 1 tink
[873]i remember I went home for an beur then came beck’ to catry’ out this —
[874]that Oswald had soma history as
[876]Mr, Denies, Ball js the Unger well ~ DS.
[878]£ State... -
[879]Mr. Graves, He wae the tha cling Secretary berause the Secretary of Btate
[880]ag you recall wag on 4 Pane over the Pactic. . Bo he was the Acting Bomretary,
[881]nut even if be had boou the Under Secretary ba is my client.
[882]Regecgentative Foun. He wtill had some antherity, .
[883]Ms. Cuawee. Vee: he directed me to gather together the fies m the: Depa rimesrt
[884]on Oswald, and to prepare « report to. be-avafiable for hien-the first thing in the
[885]mering Covering as best ve could within that Hime span the contaets t
[886]Oswald had with the Department. i
[887]We got the passport file. ‘We got the security: office file. We got the mpecia! :
[888]econsulay services file which covere] Mrs. Oewald’s vie and the repstvietion
[889]Joon.  I-thiwk these three Gles were the amex that we hed. Xi may have been
[890]there wae a smaller fourth fle, but ¥ think those three were the ones,
[891]seneenentive Hos What would that amaller fourth file be? :
[892]ca cme, Cem'h remember, It was dwplicetes (f it was anything. that
[893]fe ee we wad Ae file son] an BOS fle so thowe were the four. ne soe
[894]OL ls Pecial Consular Services.im the office, iu the Burea Secnrh
[895]and Consular Affairs, ae ial
[896]Representative Moen. You got this order on or alot & o'dock the
[898]| Mr, Onarea, Whe 22d; yee, sir.
[899]ive Fox, And you ismued orders to have these fee b
[900]ox did you go and get them yourself? rah &
[902]. Me, Coane. Ne. ;
[903]Representative Foes, Or what happened? - State Dept: cmplous
[904]Re. Onaces. 1 iemed orders to have ghem brought in. a ing
[905]te think how we got them. ‘@ Mr. Eielich.) Id you eo down and
[906]get them? Mx, Ehylich and another of my people, we worked D.
[907]throngl the aight om this, ree af ue all together and it may be that the”
[908]tere of them. went down to get than, 7 don't Tink wo Just ealled over the tete-
[909]Whone and saked ther te be heought up. « - it
[910]. (Digeursion ef the record.) - woe
[911]Mz, Ouarms It 2 my recollection that ono of these two postmen, sith a