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[35]JFK Assassination System Date: 10/2/201
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[41]HSCA
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[45]012509
[47]Document Information
[49]HSCA
[50]CIA
[52]09/24/1978
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[55]CIA, METHODOLOGY .
[56]OSWALD, LEE HARVEY - RUSSIAN PERIOD, RETURN TO US.
[57]KGB
[59]GOLITSIN, ANATOLI
[61]SUMMARY
[62]Unclassified
[63]1A
[65]Redact
[66]01/01/2003
[68]Photocopy of note attached. Box #:222.
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[75]KENNEDY
[77]Sizsue
[79]INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE
[81]1. Identifying Information:
[83]' Name “Donald Deneslya_ :
[84]Address 12508 Knowledge. Lane
[85]> Gity/state, Bowie, Maryland 20715
[87]'’ Date of Birth
[88]Social Security
[90]2. Physical Description: |
[91]Height aa
[92]Weight .
[93]‘Ethnic Group_ _ ;
[95]a
[98]3. Personal History:
[100]- Children
[102]Date September | 24; 1978
[104]“Place North’ Ar Lington, Virginia
[106]“Telephone ( (301) 464-2361
[108]Mor S M
[109]Spouse
[111]Color Eyes Hair
[113]. Special Characteristics |
[115]. a Present Employment: Sel£- ~employed real estate , agent
[117]Address Above
[119]Telephone “Above _
[121]b. Criminal Record
[122]1. Arrests _
[124]2. Convictions
[126]n
[128]4. Additional Personal Information:
[129]a. Relative(s): Name.
[131]Address
[133].b. Area frequented:
[137]YO _
[138]Investigator,_James P. Kelly
[142]Date
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[146]Form #4-B
[148]KENNEDY
[150]SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS
[152]Name Donald Deneslya Date 9-24-78 “Pime 1: OO p.m.
[153]- Address 12508 Knowledge ‘Lane Place North agLington, a.
[155]Bowie, Maryland 20715
[156]Interview: Subject was directed to the writer by former Chief ?
[157]of Counterintelligence of the CIA. He is currently working
[158]as a-real estate agent in Maryland but is ‘planning shortly
[159]to leave for Oslo, Norway, where he will become involved in
[161]the importation and sale of American automobiles.
[163]oe
[166]He was employed by’ the Central Intelligence Agency
[167]from 1961 to 1964. During this period he became involved |
[168]as Administrative ‘Assistant for a Russian defector, Golitsiny:,
[170]also known as "Stone." In this capacity he was to spend
[171]‘approximately. five hours each, day assisting Stone in the pre-
[172]paration of a book. His “cover” was,.that he (Donald) was ~
[173]a student at Georgetown University, although Stone knew ‘that
[174]he was CIA. He described this work under the crypotonym,
[175]"“KELADLE project," "AER" being the prefix relating to Soviet
[176]Russia. 7 | - -
[178]When Stone, or Golitsin, --as Donald referred to him,
[179]had been processed by the CIA and his bona fides accepted’. He,
[181]was domiciled in a house in the McLean area of Virginia. He
[183]aa soe bay _ rn arn One Se a
[185]Interviewer Signature
[187]Date transcribed 9-28-78
[189]Form #4-,
[191]By: br
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[197]says that Gobitstin was given a settlement of approximately
[198]$200,000.00 and provided with Donald as an A.A. and guards.
[199]Golitsin was first given the name "John Stone." His wife
[201]was called "Irene" and his daughter. "Kitty." The CIA
[203]had told him that he could write a book.
[205]It was Donald's feeling that Golitsin- .was.a very
[206]intelligent defector. His knowledge of leaks from Western
[207]Intelligence sources was phenomenal. He turned up traitors
[208]in many Western countries, including but not limited to:
[209]Wennerstrom in Sweden: two West German Generals, and Willy
[210]Brandt's secretary; a high-level Prench leak in NATO (Cf.,
[211]Devosjoli information) and gave the CIA information which
[212]led to the unmasking of "Kim" Philby, then the number two
[213]man in British Intelligence, as a Soviet agent. Donald said
[214]that Golitsin had been stationed in Vienna in 1954 and then
[215]brought back to the Soviet and placed in the section of So-
[216]viet (KGB) Intelligence which dealt with America and the
[217]Western countries. In this capacity he was able to read
[218]the material which these traitors had been sending to the
[219]Soviet side. He had an incredible memory and had been plan-
[220]ning to "come over" to our side for some time so he prepped
[221]himself on things which would be to our interest to know.
[223]He defected in 1961 in Helsinki. Howard Osborne went over
[225]to Helsinki to bring him back to the United States. One of
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[232]the functions of Golitsin in Moscow had been the reading
[233]of high-level American Intelligence Reports which convinced
[234]him that there was a "mole" in.the CIA, but he could not
[235]identify this person by name. While he was working for
[236]Golitsin,. Golitsin dictated a long letter describing the
[237]deficiencies in Western Intelligence agénéies which he was
[239]going to give to Robert Kennedy. It was Golitsin's feeling
[241]that the Soviets were winning the Intelligence War.
[243]Golitsin's principal handler was a Colonel Leonard
[244]Weigner, a foreign-born agent whose parents had come out of
[245]Russia through Mancuria. Weigner had been in Air Force
[246]Intelligence. He became involved in the Pirigov case in
[247]1948-49. This involved a Russian MIG pilot who defected and
[248]brought his plane intact to the West. Weigner seemed to .
[249]get along very well with Golitsin. Others who knew him at
[250]the time were Howard Osborne, now retired; Ed Knowles; Dave
[251]Murphy (after 1963); John McMahon, a side-kick to Weigner
[252]out of SR-CI and Tennent Bagley, aka "Pete" Bagley, who was
[253]head of Counter Intelligence in the Soviet Russia Division.
[255]He also mentioned Ted Poling, a Deputy to Bagley in SR.
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[262]In November 1962 Donald received a strange request
[263]from Golitsin. Rudolf Nureyev was appearing in Chicago, I1-
[264]linois and there was an ad in the paper that tickets were
[265]available at a certain bookstore. He wanted Deneslya to
[266]contact the store and find out where Nureyev was staying. .
[267]Deneslya had heard that the KGB was planning to kidnap or
[268]kill Nureyeyv.
[270]Deneslya told the writer that a Charles Bohr, a
[271]CIA doctor, was the case officer on Golitsin. Bohr was a
[272]psychiatrist. Deneslya said that he ‘never heard anyone
[273]even remotely suggest that Golitsin was “paranoid" until
[274]he heard about the testimony of ex-CIA officer John Hart
[275]before HSCA. .It was his feeling that in 1963 the Agency
[276]had great respect for Golitsin because of the information
[277]which he was providing. There were times when they would
[279]_gét exasperated with him because he would sometimes go over
[280]the heads of the people he was dealing with if he didn't
[281]think they were reacting to his information. Golitsin was
[282]apprehensive about Soviet world intentions and made no bones
[283]about it. He knew how widely the Soviets had penetrated
[284]other intelligence agencies. He told us about Felfe (ph.)
[285]and Klemens who had penetrated the Gehlen Organization of
[286]West German Intelligence which was the same as penetrating
[288]the CIA because the Gehlen group was an extension. of CIA.
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[297]From February to July 1963, Golitsin went to England to
[298]advise the British on the extent of Philby's damage. Deneslya
[299]says that when he returned to this country the attitude of
[300]some people in the SR Division had changed towards Golitsin.
[301]He detected a hostility towards Golitsin which had not been
[302]there before.
[304]When Donald first came into the CIA he worked in the
[305]Foreign Documents Division. Among the various types of re-
[306]ports which came across his desk were "contact" reports
[307]which filtered in from the many contact divisions which
[308]the Agency had around the world. One in particular caught
[309]his eye, circa July-August 1963. It concerned an American
[310]re-defector, a Marine, who would be returning to the United
[312]States "with his family." This ex-Marine had worked in
[314]“Minsk in a radio factory. The report, which Deneslya says
[316]came out of New York City, did not mention this defector
[318]by name. This, in itself, was not unusual because. the: Con-
[319]tact Division liked to conceal sources. He said the report
[320]identified this person as a former Marine "cpl." or "“cpt.",
[321]which Deneslya felt could mean corporal or captain. He
[323]was certain they were talking about Lee Oswald.
[325]Deneslya said we could find this report probably in
[327]the Industrial Registry for the radio factory in Minsk. He
[329]said there was only one radio factory in Minsk. This Registry
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[336]is maintained by the CIA at Langley, Virginia headquarters
[337]and he thinks it was on the second floor in corridor "H."
[338]The fact that the contact report was out of New York was
[339]not significant because the report could have originated
[341]in Moscow and was rerouted and rewritten in New York, again
[342]to conceal the point of origin.
[344]He also told me that it was his experience that some-
[345]times the Agency, when they want to surface material in the
[346]"overt" side of the CIA, will say that it came from that side
[347]when in fact it did not.
[349]Deneslya said that it was also his information that the
[350]Russians sent over "dispatched" agents from time to time.
[352]He recalls that at one time there was discussion of an agent
[353]who was caught because. the Russians stamped his passport
[354]twice at different pages with the same stamp but with a dif-
[355]ferent date and this game him away. He did not recall the
[356]agent's name.
[358]Deneslya said that the Committee should determine who
[359]made out the #201 on Oswald--who opened it and what division
[360]they were in. He said that about a year after he gave testi-
[361]mony before the Senate Intelligence Committee (1975) he saw
[362]a report in the newspapers that someone in the CIA had recom-
[363]mended that Lee Harvey Oswald be contacted.
[365]Donald gave the writer a written authorization to in-
[367]spect his Senate Intelligence Committee testimony.
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