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[17]RECORDS SERIES : HEARINGS
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[22]ORIGINATOR : SSCIA
[23]FROM : HALLEY
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[25]TITLE :
[26]DATE : 08/19/75
[27]PAGES : 159
[28]SUBJECTS : JMWAVE
[29]CIA
[31]OPERATION MONGOOSE
[33]CASTRO, FIDEL
[35]DOCUMENT TYPE : TRANSCRIPT
[36]CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED
[37]RESTRICTIONS : 1A
[38]CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS
[39]DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/31/98
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[55]Hearing held before :
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[58]‘SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE TO STUDY’ GOVERNMENTAL
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[61]OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES
[65]Tuesday, August 19, 1975
[67]Washington, D.C
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[142]Tuesday, August 19, 1975
[144]” united States Senate
[145]Select Committee to Study ‘Governmenta
[146]Operations With Respect t
[147]Intelligence Activities
[148]Washington, D.C.
[149]The Committes met, pursuant to notica, at 1:25 o'clock p.m.
[150]in Room 608, The Carroll Arms.
[151]Staff: Frederick Baron, Joseph diGenova, Professional
[153]Staff Members.
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[158]Mr. Baron. Mr. Halley, is it true that 'you are here
[160]testifying today under alias, and that Halley is not ectually
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[166]Mr. Halley. That is correct.
[168]Mr. Baron. Your true identity will be oh file with the
[169]review staff of the CIA and available for verification by the
[171]Committee if that becomas necessary? |
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[175]“Mr. Halley. That is my understanding.
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[183]"Statement Regarding Testimony and Alias" and | tet me ask you
[185]whether this is the statement you signed as wa were beginning
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[201]Mr. Halley. Yes, that is the correct statement that I
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[213]Mr. Baron. All right.
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[216]For the moment, let us leave that blank and enter it into
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[247]Mr. Baron. It is your understanding, is ut not, that we
[248]have worked out an arrangement with the review state whereby
[249]the statement will be attached to your transcript as an Exhibit
[250]and in a sanitized form, leaving out either of the two reference
[251]to your true identity which will only be available at this
[253]Agency. ;
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[256]Mr. Halley. hat is my understanding.
[258]Mr. Baron. Are you aware that you have tha right to counse
[259]before the Committee?
[261]Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.
[263]Mr. Baron. Are you appearing here, voluntarily here today
[264]without counsel?
[266]Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.
[268]Mr. Baron. Are you also aware that at any point you are
[269]entitled to cuase answering any questions and consult with
[270]counsel if you wish?
[272]Mr. Halley. Yes, I am aware of that.
[274]Mr. Baron. Finally, are you aware that all your Constitu-
[276]tional rights are intact before the Committea here today,
[278]-including your Fifth Amendment rights to remain silent?
[280]Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.
[282]Mr. haron. I think we should put into the record the
[283]arrangement that we made before we began, and correct me if this
[284]is not your understanding of the arrangement, that we are
[286]testifying here today without Placing you under oath hecause
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[307]there is no Senator availabla for that purpose, but both you and
[308]I are contemplating having a Senator swear you in and ask you if
[309]| your’ transcript is true to the best of your knowledge at some
[310]point a3 soon as possible as it can be arranged after today's
[311]session.
[313]Mr. Halley. Yes. The statement that you have just made
[314]is my understanding of the agreement that we entered into prior
[315]to this conversation going on the record.
[317]Mr. Baron. Thank you. .
[319]Let us: begin then with ‘some very‘broad questions: ~ -'-
[320]about your background in the Agency. Can you tell me what you
[321]Were doing in the Agency prior to your involvement with the
[322]" IMWAVE Station? |
[324]Mr. Halley. I became involved with the Cuban affair in
[325]approximately February of 1962. At that time, I was in Head-
[326]quarters. Iwas Chief of Foreiqn Intelligence Activities for th
[327]Eastern European Division. I was asked to be raleased from thos
[328]duties to conduct a survey of the opportunities for running
[329]intelligence operations against Cuba. 1 was released from those
[330]‘duties; I did engage in a survey of the possibilities for running
[331]intelligence, counterintelligence, Paramilitary operations .
[332]against Cuba.
[334]Mr. Baron. Your position as Chief of Foreign Intelligence
[335]for Eastern Europe did not involve Cuba in any way? -That was
[337]your last position before you became involved in Cuban affairs,
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[362]is that correct? ~
[364]Mr. Halley. That is correct.
[366]I want to qualify that. Undoubtedly, there were some
[367]actions that were being conducted in tha Eastarn European area
[368]that reflected on Cuba, but I was not involved in the Bay of Pig
[369]Operation. I was not fully focused on Cuban operations until
[370]approximately February of 1962.
[372]Mr. Baron. At what point dia you join the Agency?
[374]Mr. Halley. I joined the Agency originally in 1951.
[376]Mr. Baron. In a very general way, can you describe the
[377]nature of your activities at the Agency prior to February of '62
[379]Mr. Halley. When I was first assiqned to the Agency, I was
[380]an Army officer on active duty. I went through the usual Agency
[381]training program. I was assigned to Eastern European activities
[382]where I originally was focused on Polish and German operations.
[384]I subsequently served from 1952 to 1959 in Germany.‘.In the
[385]course of that. service, I spent most of my time working on the
[386]Eastern European satellites, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary,
[388]Romania, Bulgaria. “In addition, I was involved on occasion in
[390]“Soviet operations and East German operations.
[392]‘Mr. Baron. Did you have any involvement in Latin American
[393]affairs prior to February of ‘62?
[394]Mr. Halley. Yes. In the period 1960-62, I.was‘responsible
[395]for setting up operational activity in Latin America that
[397]was targetted more explicitly on the Eastern European satellites]
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[423]to some extent on the Soviet Union. This was in a period of tim
[424]where the Eastern European satellites were expanding thétr
[426]Presence in Latin America. In my duties in the Eastern European
[428]| Division, I wag responsible for gettina this Program aoing in
[430]Latin America, so I did have an extensive exposure to Latin
[432]America: in the period '60 to '62, as I recall those dates.
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[439]travel records, and SO On,
[441]Mr. Baron. During that Period of time you were actually
[443]in Latin America helping to set up this Program?
[445]Mr. Halley. No, I was Stationed in Washington, but I
[446]travelled to Latin America during this particular Period of
[447]time.
[449]Mr. Baron. Did you travel to Cuba at any point during the
[450]course of that operation? .
[452]Mr. Halley. “Not specifically. I think I transitted Cuba
[453]on air Stops being routed to various countries. I think I was
[454]at One or two Cuban airfields, but simply in transit,
[456]Mr. Baron. Not long enough even to talk to the people at
[458]‘the Station in Cuba?
[460]Mr. Halley. No, I had no contact at any time with the
[461]Havana Station.
[463]Mr. Baron. Did you pick up. during this period of time,
[464]a general Sense of the attitude of Latin American governments
[466]toward the Castro government? Could you characterize that
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[496]attitude, if you did?
[498]Mr. Halley. I certainly was aware, I think, of the broad
[499]political trend in the Hemisphere at that time, my interest was
[500]much more narrowly focused at that time on the Eastern European
[501]targets, and on the Soviet target, and I wags not certainly
[502]specializing in Cuban affairs at that juncture.
[504]Mr. Baron. Cuba was not viewed at that juncture as part of
[505]the Soviet target, as a Soviet satellite?’
[507]Mr. Halley. No, it was not.
[509]Mr. Baron. Coming then to February of '62, is that the
[510]point at which you joined the JMWAVE Station in Miami?
[512]Mr. Halley. No. When I first entered into this Survey,
[513]it was to do this on a TDY basis, temporary duty assignment,
[514]to complete a report on my findings, to report those at that
[515]particular juncture to Mr. Harvey who was the head of the Task
[516]Force that was attempting to expand intelligence coverage of
[517]Cuba and I was not assigned to the station at that particular
[518]Point in time.
[520]‘Mr. Baron. At what point did you join the JMWAVE Station?
[522]Mr, Halley. Shortly after having completes this survey.
[523]These dates are blurred now because the survey soon turned into
[524]a permanent assignment. I would have to check the exact dates
[525]from my service records, but. after having completed the survey
[526]Yeport, shortly thereafter I wag asked to go to Miami to become
[528]Permanently assigned to the station in Miami. I do not recall
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[556]Mr. Baron. Would you assume that that wags sometime before
[557]the end of May of ‘62?
[559]Mr. Halley. Yes. It was probably before that, but as I
[560]Say, there are a couple of weeks gap that we would have to look
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[563]at my service record to get the exact dates, but certainly it
[564]Could have been March, it could have been April: put 1 Yeserve,
[565]you know, the right to check my record if that is a critical
[566]point in terms of what you are trying to establish. |
[568]Mr. ‘Baron. Certainly.
[570]I should say generally at this point, if anything we cover
[571]today gives you that kind of problem it would be immensely
[572]helpful to us if you would check your. answers against. documents
[573]that might be available in the CIA.
[575]Mr. Halley. Yes, all right.
[577]Mr. Baron. In fact, let me ask you if you would check tha
[578]One out, because it would be useful to know exactly when you
[579]joined the JMWAVE station.
[581]During the period of time before you joined JMWAVE, while
[582]you were conducting the survey, did you report to anyone other
[583]than William Harvey?
[585]Mr. Halley. In a formal Sense, this TDY was conducted on
[587]behalf of the task force commander, who was Mr. Harvey. While
[589]I was in Miami conducting the Survey, I obviously discussed
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[594]‘matters pertaining to that survey to the team who was then in
[595]charge of the operational activity in Miami. That team was
[597]essentially headed by Mr. Al Cox,.who has since died.
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[601]Mr. Baron. Was that team the equivalent of JMWAVE station?
[603]Mr. Halley. Yes. Mr. Cox was the head, then, of what woul
[604]be the equivalent of the JMWAVE Station,
[606].
[608]Mr. Baron. Was he the head of IMWAVE until the mint when
[609]you replaced him, or until the point you became Chief of the
[610]IMWAVE Station?
[612]Mr. Halley. That is correct. -He was the head of that
[613]unit until such time as I replaced him.
[615]Mr. Baron. Were you aware during this survey that you
[617]were conducting of any link between Task Force W and the so-callpd
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[635]Mr. Halley. My understanding at the time that I conducted
[636]this survey was that there was a three-man group in existence
[637]which was headed by Mr. Robert Kennedy that was conducting a
[638]“survey to see what kind of activities could be conducted against
[639]Cuba. The other members of that particular group were General
[640]Lansdale and Mr. Helms.
[642]This three-man group had subordinate to it for all practica
[644]purposes the task force unit which was manaqed by Mr. Harvey.
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[648]I am not familiar, however, with the other terminology that you
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[677]used, that is Project MONGOOSE, or whatever you said. I do not
[678]know the exact words you used. I am not familiar with that
[679]terminology.
[681]Mr Baron. . During the whole period of your involvement
[682]with JMWAVE, you were not made aware of Project MONGOOSE as
[684]such?
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[689]Mr. Halley. I am not aware of Project MONGOOSE. I do not
[690]recall it as an acronym, cxryptonym or anything else that was in
[691]common usage in my conversations. ©
[693]’ Also, you have to understand that during that particular
[694]time, Mr. Harvey was subordinate to the normal Agency chain of
[695]command. In other words, he had parallel lines, if you will.
[697]There was this three-man Task Force to whom he was reporting
[699]regularly. At the same time, as the Task Force Commander, he
[701]was reporting to the then-DDP who was Mr. Helms.
[703]Mr Baron. You began your survey just about the time that
[704]Mr. Helms replaced Mr. Bissell as DDP?
[706]Mr. Halley. That is right.
[708]‘Mr. Baron. Were you aware of the command relationship
[710]‘between the three-man group that you have mentioned and William
[712]Harvey as head of Task Force W? Did that group task Harvey
[713]directly, or did Harvey's assignments have to come through Helms
[714]and through the DCI as opposed to this group that did not includ
[715]the DCI?
[717]Mr. Halley. ‘My understanding of it at the time was we were
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[733]really talking about parallel lines. In other words, this
[734]three-man group was meeting. Mr. Helms wag both a member of
[735]that particular group and the DDP. Therefore, when he came back
[736]from one of these Meetings and issued instructions to Mr. Harvey
[737]it was, you know, tantamount to these things coming through two
[739]channels simultaneously, one coming from this three-man task
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[743]‘force and tha other instruction simultaneously coming from Mr.
[745]Helms who was the DDP.
[747]Mr. Baron. As far as Mr. Harvey was concerned, an assiqn-
[748]Ment or order from Richard Helms .was an order to be taken at
[749]face value? ‘Harvey did not hava to question whether it had the
[750]Stamp of approval from the DCI or not? Would that have been
[751]your operating understanding? .
[753]Mr. Halley. That would have been my understanding, yes.
[754]Certainly an instruction received from Mr. Helms was a valida
[755]Agency instruction. . .
[757]Mr. Baron. The DCI at this point was John McCone.
[759]Mr. Hallay. That is correct.
[761]Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of the relationship
[763]‘between this three-man group and John McCone at that point?
[765]Mr. Halley. Not on a day to day basis. Once I went to
[766]Miami, I came back on a regular basis to review operational
[767]plans and programs. On one occasion I accompanied Mr. McCone
[768]to the White House to give a presentation or sit in while the
[770]presentation was being made.
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[781]Mr. Baron. Where was this? What was the forum in which
[782]the presentation was made.
[784]Mr. Halley. This was a meating with President Kennedy and
[785]other members of ‘the then-Cabinet were present at that particula
[786]maeting.
[788]Mr. Baron. Was that a Cabinet meeting or. was it a Special
[789]Group meeting as a sub-unit of thea National Security Council?
[791]Mr. Halley. You know, that happened in 1962. This is
[792]1975. I do not recall then with precision as to whether it was
[793]a meeting of the Cabinet or whether :it was a meating of the
[794]National Security Council, or whether it was & meeting of the
[795]Spacial Group. .
[797]Mr. Baron. That:is perfectly understandable. Do you recal
[798]which Cabinet members were present at that meeting?
[800]Mr. Halley. . Yes.. My recollection of that was that Mr.
[801]McNamara was present, Mr. Rusk was present, Mr. Kennedy, the
[802]Attorney General, was present. You know, I am just vague now
[803]at this particular point. Those are the ones that stick out in
[804]my memory as being present.
[806]Mr. Baron. Was the DCI present?
[808]Mr. Halley. Yes, the DCI was present, and he gave a
[809]portion of the Presentation. As I recall, Mr. FitzGerald gave
[810]the other portion of the presentation.
[812]Mr. Baron. Who at that point replaced William Harvey a3
[814]Chief of Task Force W?
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[826]then Scraber, after that, Hart, f Served with all’ four of those
[828]took over, you know, when FitzGerald left and Screber took Over
[829]and so forth, This is Something that I would havea to research
[831]to give you the precise dates,
[833]This was a general review of activities that
[835]were being Conducted against Cuba,
[837]Mr. Baron, Was there any Mention of any assassination
[838]effort at that Meeting?
[840]Mr. Halley. No, there was not.
[842]Mr. Baron. You were attending at that point in Connection
[844]with the Survey you conducted?
[845]Mr. Halley. No. I was attending at that point as the
[847]Station Chief from Miami in order to make a contribution to the
[849]“issues that Were being discussed, to the fact that detailed,
[851]substantive back-up for whatever questions might be Put to the
[852]Agency Spokesmen. I mada reference to that because you asked
[853]ma if I knew the relationship between Mr, McCone and this
[854]three-man group. I said no, ona day-to-day basis I dia not
[856]know the relationship, but that there were Meetings that were
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[882]group. .
[884]Mr. Baron. Wera you aware that that group might have gone
[885]by any particular name or dasignation?
[887]Mr. Hallay. No, I am not.,
[889]Mr. Baron. You are not familiar with the term Special
[890]Group?
[892]Mr. Halley. Yes, I am.aware of the term Special Group.
[894].T am aware that the chronology of the 303 Committee, Special
[896]Group, 40. Committea and so forth, but as I mentioned to you
[897]earlier, that particular time, I cannot distinguish between
[898]whether this Was an ad hoc meeting or this was a Special Group
[899]Meeting, or what it was.
[901]Mr. Baron. Did you assume at that time that the three-man
[902]group that you referred to, ‘including- the Attorney ‘General,
[903]General Lansdale and Richard Helms, had a formal Yelationship
[904]to this larger Special Group? In other words, was that three-
[906]Man group a kind of decision-making sub-unit of the Special
[908]“Group, or do you think it operated entirely independent from
[910]the National Security Council structure.
[912]Mr. HNalley. 1 do not think I can give you an authoritative’
[913]answer to that. I would go back to what I Previously told
[914]you. When I entered into this Project in February of '62, the
[916]chain of command that I was familiar with was this three-man
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[925]group in constant contact with Mr. Harvey. The second chain
[927]of command, Paralleling that, wag Mr. Harvey raporting to the
[929]DDP and the DpP subsequently reporting through his chain of
[931]“command to the Director, and that would be the Only way that
[933]I could characterize that with any accuracy.
[935]Mr. Baron. Did those two chains of command continue. .
[936]as the channels of decision-making and tasking when you were -.-
[937]or during your tenure as Chief of Station.at -JMWAVE?
[939]Mr. Halley. That relationship changed, and again I do
[940]not have the date at my fingertips at what time that changed.
[942]I know that shortly thereafter I was'in Miami, General
[943]Lansdale came down to visit me, to talk with me, about tha
[944]Progress that was being made in the operational program. At
[945]some point after that, this three-man group for all intents
[946]and purposes disappeared. General Lansdale was reassigned;
[947]the group broke up; subsequent reviews of the program were made
[948]at the Special Group level. As an example, we would have to
[949]submit every month the number of operations that we were going
[951]to run, such as infiltrations into Cuba through what would be
[955]"paramilitary means, and these were approved by the Special
[957]Group. There was an approval procedure for setting those up,
[958]so subsequently the three-man group disappeared and the regular
[959]mechanism of the Special Group came into play.
[961]Iam sorry, I cannot give you a precise date for that
[963]change, but I am sure it is in the record and I am sura you eve
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[972]have the date because the Agency has been Fesearching all sorts
[973]of material for you. I feal that you would just have to get
[974]those dates for the record.
[976]Mr. Baron. We can do that.
[978]Would you say that every major operation that you undertook
[979]at JMWAVE would have been approved by the Special Group or at
[980]least they would have been put on notica of the nature of any
[981]major operation that you were Planning?
[983]Mr. Halley. Why do you not define for me what you consider
[984]to be a major Operation so we do not get into, you know, a
[985]Problem? Ifyou feeE ‘that you cannot.do ‘that tw 4.
[987]Mr. Baron. Perhaps we can'turn it around and say, could
[988]you characteriza the kinds of operations generally that you
[989]would refer to this three-man group initially, ze the Special
[991]Group later, for their approval, or at least to put them on>
[993]‘notice,.. the kinds that you might not refer and instead procee
[995]unilaterally?
[996]Mr. Halley. Initially, the three-man group was seized
[998]with the problem of conducting the survey of what could be
[1000]“done against Cuba. As soon as that was more or less agreed ©
[1002]upon, my understanding of this, as I told you, thre three-man
[1003]group was disbanded or atrophied or went on to other things
[1004]and then the formal mechanism came in for approval, that is,
[1006]the Special Group. As Procedures. became more formalized, we
[1008]had to submit a monthly schedule of the kind of Operations that
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[1020]In other words, if we were going to run an oper. tion that
[1021]Was going to be a cache replacement in the Cuban mai land, that
[1022]had to be put in, say in our October Schedule, that ctobar
[1023]Schedule had to be submitted to the Washington Headquarters so
[1024]they could make it available to the Special: Group somatima in
[1025]September. So I would regard a cache, say the lowest kind of
[1026]Operation in terms of Sensitivity, and then you could move up
[1027]from team infiltrations that had to ba approved in advance,
[1028]resupply missions, Paramiltary Operations against fixed instal-
[1029]lations would all be approved,
[1031]Mr. Baron. If there had been any Operation with the
[1032]assassination of Fidel Castro, or other high Cuban government
[1033]leaders as its objective, would such an operation havé been
[1034]referred to either the three-man group or later the Special
[1035]Group,
[1037]Mr. Halley. If such 4n operation had been proposed. from
[1038]Miami, it would have had to have gone through that particular |
[1040]process.
[1042]Mr. Baron. Your answer seems to indicate that only
[1044]Operations that originated at the JMWAVE. Station would} be
[1046]referred up for approval. Is that correct?
[1047]Mr. Halley. That is the kind of activity that I have
[1048]firsthand knowledge of. When I became the Station Chief, I told
[1050]you my time at this was essentially February of 1962 through
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[1056]my involvement in the Cuban operation.
[1057]During that particular Period of tima, my firsthand knowled e
[1059]of these @vents would be, if that kind of operation ‘ere ‘to go
[1061]it would have had to hava been some formal action taken. If it
[1062]were something that certainly would -~ for some reason might not
[1063]be committed to Paper, somebody may have wanted to discuss it
[1064]orally from Miami, the chain of command would have been from me
[1065]to whomever was the head of the Task Force in Washington, or
[1066]later, when the Task Force became reintegrated into e Western
[1068]Hemisphere Division, I would have had to talk to the Chief of
[1070]the Western Hemisphere Division, who at one time was FitzGerald.
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[1074]Mry Baron. But a plan that originated at the CIA abova
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[1092]correct?
[1094]Mr. Halley. I have no firsthand knowledge of that, thera-
[1095]fore I am-trying to restrict myself to those things that I have
[1096]‘personal knowledge of. In other words, that is the kind of
[1097]thing that I think you should talk to, you know, those! who were
[1098]involved directly, because I think you can talk to Mr.fj Harvey
[1099]or Mr. Screber or others who would be able to give youla better
[1101]Perception of that.
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[1134]two days ata ‘time when there was always a full agé da of events
[1135]to be discussed that related to the Station in Miam + I did not
[1136]carry here, I did not engage, you know, in idla cohversation wit
[1137]my associates. Therefore, I wag not aware of the. fixstnand
[1138]situation of how they conducted business ona sust: ined basis
[1140]on items that did not ‘immediately impact on Miami.
[1142]Mr. Baron. Do you have any Personal. knowledge of any
[1143]operation run out of the JMWAVE Station that could be construed
[1144]as an assassination effort? i
[1146]Mr. Halley. No, I do not.
[1148]Mr. Baron. Do you have firsthand knowléedga ofjany operatio
[1149]run out of Florida-with CIA involvement that could @ construed
[1150]as an assassination effort?
[1152]Mr. Halley. No, I do not have any firsthand k owledge.
[1154]You also have to put this in a historical Perspective. In
[1155]other words, from what I have read in the Press since then,
[1156]obviously I could put certain things together. You are asking
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[1159]me in this timeframe, 1962 to 1965, did I have any firsthand
[1161]‘knowledge -at that particular time?
[1163]Mr. Baron. Exactly.
[1164]Mr. Halley. The answer to that is no, I did not,
[1165]You also have to put yourself in the historical context of
[1167]that particular time. Thousands of refugees were coming out of
[1170]Cuba, coming into Miami, Dade County up and down the}Florida
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[1205]Keys. There was a regular mechaniem ‘to 8Craen these People.
[1206]Any number of these people had plans or ideag for changing the
[1207]situation in Cuba, among those {fdeas for changing the situation
[1208]in Cuba were plans to assassinate any number of people in Cuba.
[1209]This was somathing that was talked about, you could go down to
[1211]any coffee house in downtown Miami and Cubans would be talking
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[1216]that kind of languaqe..
[1218]So I do not. want to leava you with the impression that the
[1219]word assassination never cama across my radar screen, “bat we
[1220]are talking about, and my answer was geared to a Planned opera-..
[1221]tion by CIA,
[1223]Mr. Baron. Or with CIA involvement of any sort?
[1225]Mr. Halley. CIA involvement? I know of no operation that
[1226]was a planned ‘operational activity, you know, for the sole
[1227]Purpose of assassinating, you know, Mr. A, B or Mr. C..This was.
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[1230]the : Alleriteof the time. People were talking about these
[1231]things in the refugee community, these kind of things were
[1233]being discussed.
[1235]Mr. Baron. Mr. A, B or C could have been Fidel Castro,
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[1242]Mr. Halley. It could have been anyone. This was the mood
[1243]of the Latin American revolutionary where a coup, you know, is
[1244]away of life, where restaurants and coffee houses abound ‘with
[1245]conversation about how to run a.coup. In the running of a coup,
[1247]one of the things that People talk about is how do you control
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[1274]Mr. Baron. Are you saying: that:you are not aware of any‘
[1275]operation, which: could: have had as one of its subsidiary objec-
[1276]tives, whether the primary objective or not, the assassination
[1277]of Fidal Castro, Raul Castro, or Che Guevara, which was run with
[1278]CIA involvement?
[1280]Mr. Hallay. I would like fo Phrase that question slightly
[1281]differently, because I think, you know, you hava Several things
[1282]tiled together. 1 would lika to answer your question this way.
[1284]During my tenure in Miami, I did not Put forth any Proposal
[1285]to mount an assassination Operation. In other words, there
[1286]was no formal plan, I did not put forth any operational proposal
[1287]along this line.
[1289]Secondly, I am not aware of any assassination plans being
[1291]put forth, you know, by Mr. Harvey or by anyone else at that
[1293]Particular time. That is the way I would prefer to answer that.
[1295]Mr. Baron. What kind of problem did you have with the
[1296]question as it was -asked?
[1298]Mr. Haliey. Well, you lumped a number of things together.
[1300]‘I am trying to separate these out. In other words, you put in
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[1303]there a secondary or tertiary consideration.
[1305]Mr. Baron. Right, I am interested in that.
[1307]Mr. Halley. That is what. bothers me, because I did not
[1308]put forth any plans. On. the other hand, I do not want to be
[1310]held responsible for such things as CIA being in touch with a
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[1337]paramilitary group in Cuba whosa primary mission was the
[1338]collection of intelligence, whose S@condary mission might be to
[1339]Organize a resistance and, unbeknownst to me, might have had
[1340]their own ideas which were never consulted with us, you know,
[1341]never discussed with us, through the communications channels
[1342]that we had, who may have been thinking, May have planned, and
[1343]may have attempted, to implement dssasaination Operations.
[1345]I do not feel under the command and control machanism that
[1346]existed that I could exercise through the Station over such a
[1347]situation that 1 could be held responsible for that. Therefore,
[1348]I cannot accept your question on the Secondary or tertiary
[1349]situation because I have no knowledge of those. You May have
[1350]Some knowledge and you can confront me with some statement by
[1351]some Cuban who said that this was Part of his mission. I have
[1352]to look at that at the time. .
[1354]Mr. Baron, We will go Over some statements, but in trying
[1355]to recover this ground one more time, I think it is important
[1356]to distinguish an attempt to pin the responsibility on you,
[1357]which I am not trying to do by my questioning --
[1359]Mr. Halley. That is a complicated question.
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[1363]Mr. Baron. The attempt to simply -- undoubtedly, the
[1364]attempt to simply bring out your knowledge and any awareness
[1365]that you may have had of any kind of operation that had assassi
[1366]tion as one of its objectives, and also involved the CIA to
[1368]any éxtent. That is what I am asking you for.
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[1377]Mr. Halley. Right, and I will stand by my answer; that is,
[1378]I put forth: no plans, I know of no plans put forth, you know,
[1379]during my tenure in Miami in which . assassination was part of
[1380]the operational rationale. You know, the Only way we can clarif
[1381]this perhaps to your satisfaction is to discuss gome specifics,
[1382]If you are Prepared to talk about specifics, maybe I can deal
[1383]with those within the framework of that general statement that
[1384]I made, you know. I know how Cubans talk. I know the rumors
[1385]that have existed over the years. I simply do not want to be
[1386]identified with any action conducted by some group over which
[1387]I had no knowledge or control. That. ig my kay point.
[1389]Mr. Baron. TI. think that answers it for now, and wa will
[1390]cover some specifics later,
[1392]One more question on this dual chain of command: On the
[1393]One hand, the Agency chain of command from the DDP to Harvey
[1394]to you at JMWAVE, and on the other hand, the three-man decision
[1395]making group consisting of the Attorney General, Lansdale and
[1396]Helms. Would you say in the early days that this three-man
[1398]group appeared to you to be in control of tha decision making
[1400]‘before the Special Group stepped in, that decisions were made
[1403]in a lass formal way than they were later under the Special
[1405]Group?
[1406]Mr. Halley. I really could not address myself to that.
[1407]In other words, I never sat in on a Meeting of the three-man
[1409]group. In other words --~
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[1433]Mr. Halley. My requirements fer reporting really stemmed
[1434]in the early days from Harvey. If there were any special
[1435]requirements, he was taking “them: from -the -three-man group and
[1436]translating them and, in fact, much of the system of Feporting
[1438]in those early days was Jenerated by me and‘ what<I' thought. ~.
[1440]Was required to keep Mr. Harvey as a Task Force Commander
[1442]‘fully informed. I think that you undoubtedly know from the
[1444]Yecord that I worked for Mr. Harvey prior to 1962 and therefore
[1445]I was familiar, you know, with his style of Operation and though;
[1446]I had a clear understanding of what he needed in an informationa
[1447]Sense. So when I went to Miami, I organized much of the
[1448]Teporting flow upward, if you will, from the field unit to
[1449]Headquarters.
[1451]Mr. Baron. Had you worked for Me. Harvey in Germany?
[1453]Mr. Halley. -Yes, © had.
[1455]Mr. Baron. In Berlin?
[1457]Mr. Halley. Yes, sir.
[1459]Mr. Baron. This was On the famous and Successful tunnel
[1460]Operation?
[1462]Mr. Halley. No, I do not deserve any credit for the tunnel
[1463]Operation. That is Mr. Harvey's activity. He kept that vary
[1465]tightly compartmented and in the days when that Was going on, I
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[1488]was involved primarily with Eastern European activities,
[1490]Mr. Baron. You were aware of Mr, Harvey's style of
[1491]operating?
[1493]Mr. Halley. Yes, 1 worked with him -- r think the date is
[1494]Somewhere'.in June or July of "54 to Somewhere in '59, TI would
[1495]have to look that up in the record, the exact date,
[1497]Mr. Baron. Bat you say you not Only had a close working
[1498]relationship with Mr. Harvey, but you came to be a Personal
[1499]friend of his?
[1501]Mr. Halley. ‘Yes, T would like to say I am a Personal frien
[1502]of Mr. Harvey.
[1504]Mr. Baron. Returning to your Statements about the chain
[1505]of command, YOu seem to be saying that Mr. Harvey served as the
[1506]funnel for both of these chains of command; as far ag you were
[1507]concerned, you Yeceived directives from him, whatevar the source
[1508]may have been originally, is that correct? .
[1510]Mr. Halley. Correct.
[1512]I want to make a Point. Insofar as the three-man group was
[1514]concerned, I would see Helms in his role as the ppp in the three
[1516]‘man group. I would See Lansdale ~- as 1 told you, Lansdale came
[1518]down to visit me in Miami on one occasion. He cama as part of
[1519]that. three-man group. But my chain of command ,during my
[1520]visit was still from me to Harvey, Lansdale .was down there,
[1521]I was to be, you know, straightforward, candid, discuss Plans,
[1523]Programs, problems. But r received my orders and instructions
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[1532]the control of money and 80 forth was vested in the Task Force
[1534]Commander, Mr. Harvey,
[1536]Therefore, I never dealt with this three-man group as a
[1538]body. I dealt with the individuals, you know, and various
[1540]mutations.
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[1543]Mr. Baron. Would you say that the three-man group had a
[1544]less formal, more ‘free-wheeling style of decision making, “/
[1545]there was a real change in the rigor with which you. were require
[1546]to report after the Special Group took over?
[1548]Mr. Halley. 1f would have to say that the total reporting
[1549]became more formalized the longer we stayed in business. 1
[1550]cannot ascribe this to the difference of style of the three~man
[1552]Group aS opposed to the Agency chain of command or subsequent
[1554]with the requirements of the Special Group. This evolved from
[1556]“a body of experience that was gained as the operation was
[1558]established and got some experience.
[1559]So I would not want to characterize that as being a result
[1560]of the groups.
[1562]Mr. Baron. You did not..have any problem with the propriet
[1564]“of the three-man group in the early stages?
[1566]Mr. Halley. No, I had no Yeason to believe that it was
[1567]not a duly constituted body. In other words, thezt. officers tha
[1568]I reported to,in that particular case, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Helms,
[1569]Were my chain of command at that particular point, were the
[1571]Ones who briefed me on the Jexistence of this three-man body
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[1600]and I felt that that was a perfectly legitimate function of
[1601]that body.
[1603]Mr. Baron. Who. briefed you on the existence of the body?
[1605]Mr. Halley. My recollection of the initial briefing was
[1607]Harvey.
[1609]Mr. Baron. Do you recall how he described that three-man
[1610]group and the responsibilities?
[1612]Mr. Halley. No, This was 1962, and this is 1975. Ags
[1613]you know from my records, these intervening years have been
[1614]very activa for me, therefore, I do not remember with precision
[1615]that conversation in all of its details, 1 do recall my first
[1616]briefing on the existence of this three-man group being from
[1617]Harvey.
[1619]Mr. Baron. You mentioned that General Lansdale might
[1620]occasionally meet with you personally. This is in Miami, at
[1621]JMWAVE Station?
[1623]. Mr. Halley. I can only recall at this Point one Specific
[1624]Meeting where he came down to Florida in Miami to visit,
[1626]Mr. Baron. What was the substance of that meeting?
[1628]Mr. Halley. He was given some briefings by my stafe on
[1629]their areas of Specialization, whether it was foreign intelli-
[1630]gence collection, whether it was maritime activities, or whether
[1631]it was paramilitary activities. I spent a lot of time with him.
[1632]personally, talking about where we stood, where we were making
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[1658]Problen-oriented type of conversation.
[1660]Mr. Barony. . What period of time would you place this in?
[1662]Mr. Halley. Probably sometime. in the surimer of ‘62,
[1663]because my family was already in Miami at that point, and when
[1664]I first went to Miami my family was not with me. I think my
[1665]wife joined me in Miami Sometime in the summer of ‘62, you know,
[1666]I would have to reSearch that. It is obviously available from
[1667]the records as to when my family moved and a permanent change
[1668]of station.
[1670]Mr, Baron: Was there any discussion Whether direct or
[1671]indirect of assassination of Cuban leaders during your meetings
[1672]with General Lansdale?
[1674]Mr. Halley. I do not Yecall any such conversations. You
[1675]know, I think that from «my point of view, wa are off a little
[1676]bit on this Perspective I would like to try to focus on the
[1677]Perspective for you in the historical setting.
[1679]Mr. Baron. Please do.
[1681]Mr, Halley. I think by your questions and your interest,
[1683]“you are narrowly focused on this assassination thing, but let
[1685]Me turn that around a bit, and let me put it in My context at.
[1686]the. time which May help you understand my answers.
[1687]Mr. Baron. Before you do, can I stop you for one moment?
[1689]I would like to get back on the track that we originally
[1691]started on of asking you about the JMWAVE Station in general
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[1716]specific questions before we do that, about the three-man group
[1717]that you raised, and then give you a full opportunity to pull py
[1718]eut—-of what we have said so far and everything ‘that: will follow
[1719]into context.
[1721]Did you have any individual Meetings with Robert Kennedy,
[1722]who was then-Attorney General?
[1724]Mr. Halley. You mean individual, one on one?
[1726]Are you saying did I have & maating,-a personal, private
[1727]meeting with xthe Attorney.Genéral? . .:t poten,
[1729]“-.. ME. Baron. Yas.
[1731]Mr. Halley. The answer to that is no.
[1733]Mr. Baron. Did you hava any meetings with the Attorney
[1734]General of any sort during this Period of time?
[1736]Mr. Halley. _I mentioned to you earlier that at this meetin
[1737]that I went to with Director McCone, the Attorney General, Mr.
[1738]Robert Kennedy, was Present at that White House briefing. He
[1739]did ask some questions, which I do not remember what the
[1741]questions were at this particular point in time. I answered
[1743]“some of those questions that were put during the course of that
[1745]Particular presentation. Throughout that whole period of time,
[1747]“that was the only, if you will, direct contact with him that
[1749]I can remember. You know, unless you can show me something.
[1750]Mr. Baron. During the entire period that you wera
[1752]involved with JMWAVE?
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[1772]Mr. Halley. That is right.
[1774]Mr. Baron. At that meeting -- again, I realize what we
[1775]are doing is an fsolation, out of context -- at that meeting that
[1776]you attended, with the Cabinet members and the President, was
[1777]there any discussion either directly or indiractly or by means
[1778]of any circumlocutions:..of tha subject of assassination?
[1780]Mr. Halley. Not that I can recall,
[1782]You know, my recollection of that meeting is, wa want to it
[1783]en masse, the first -~-you know, Director McCone, myself,
[1785]Bruce § ever, several other people who went. We went in
[1786]Several cars. We went to the meeting, the Cuban issue was the
[1787]first item on the agenda. As I recall the thing, the Cuban
[1788]thing was over after this period of time. We, the technocrats
[1789]left, the Director John McCone stayed on. You know, during my
[1790]Presence at the meeting there was nothing discussed about
[1791]assassinations.
[1793]Mr. Baron. Was there any such discussion between yourself
[1794]and John McCone or Richard Helms at any point?
[1796]Mr. Halley. I never recall discussing assassinations with
[1798]‘John NcCone. Now, in terms of discussions with Richard Nelms,
[1800]these were conversations.in which atmospherics in Miami and
[1802]problems:like’ that would be discussed, and I am‘sure somewhere
[1803]in some of these Conversations the mood of the community, the
[1804]subject of assassinations undoubtedly came un. This was part
[1806]of the life of that particular period.
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[1811]I cannot remember a specific date, you know, some time at
[1812]which that was discussed, and you know I never received any
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[1818]Mr. Baron. Again, I am not trying to unfairly pull these
[1819]kinds of «conversations out of their historical context. Before
[1820]we flesh out the historical context, do you have any recollectio
[1821]of the manner in which assassination might have come up between
[1822]yourself and Helms?
[1824]Mr. Halley. Again, I put it in this overall context of
[1825]the times. We «were.running Foreign .Intelligéiée:collectton in
[1826]operationswagainstGuba with classical agent -méans.» We-wate- tun ing
[1827]collection against Cuba through paramilitary teams. We were
[1828]involved in paramilitary operations that could be described as
[1829]commando raids. ‘Those were the kinds of activities.
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[1846]the Cuban penchant for it had to come up. I cannot pinpoint --
[1848]Mr. Baron. You do not recall any reference of means to
[1849]be used or people to be involved?
[1851]Mr. Halley. No. Even such things as discussions of
[1852]various kinds of weapons, you know, people, as you probably
[1853]know from this experience, every individual who deals with
[1855]Weapons has a different view on what is the ideal weapon. If
[1857]you took a squad of ten men and gave them the free choice, I
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[1866]Therefore, when we were standardizing weapons to our
[1867]paramilitary teams, things like that, weapons would be discussed
[1869]in terms of, you know, muzzle velocity, vateof.fire,-weight -~
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[1873]of the weapon for the Cuban to carry, because many of them were
[1874]quite small. In this context, People would discuss what is
[1876]the range, can a guy use it to shoot somebody at a particular
[1877]range? Is this an assassination weapon? Is this a qood weapon
[1878]for close combat? .
[1880]Therefore the term assassination was just a part of the life,
[1881]of the fabric at that time. That is what I am trying to get
[1882]across. I just cannot acticulate any more eloquently than
[1883]that.
[1885]Mr. Baron. I think you are being quite eloquent and
[1886]extremely informative. You mentioned that the phrase assassina-
[1888]tion would be used in the discussions about the kinds of weapons
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[1908]Mr. Halley. . Paramilitary teams, right.
[1910]Mr. Baron. Was the capacity of a weapon to be used as
[1911]“an assassination weapon among other uses a desirable capacity?
[1913]In other words, was that phrase used positively?
[1915]Mr. Halley. No, it was not. It is the kind of thing
[1916]that weaves itself into, you know, a conversation.
[1918]For instance, if you are planning a commando raid against
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[1930]vefinary+ One of the questions you have, cf course, is if you
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[1936]kind of a struggle, that is great. But what happens if you are
[1937]implanting your :target and the guard stumbles on you, you know,
[1939]the guard force then becomes an immediate? risk to your operation
[1945]and usually there is a fire fight. Therefore, this becomes a
[1946]question of weapons. In other words, what weapon is going to
[1947]give the highest muzzle velocity and make the largest amount of
[1948]noise. Therefore, df you have two weapons of co-equal cyclic
[1950]vate of fire and one made less rate of noise than the other
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[1975]Mr, Baron. The technology of assassination and targetted
[1976]shooting, are you referring to -- when you say assassination
[1977]weapon -- to a weapon generally capable of targetted shooting?
[1979]Mr. Halley. In this particular context, I think most
[1980]People felt that the Cuban penchant for assassination, for
[1981]discussing assassination, was the kind that would have to be
[1982]done from a long range.
[1984]You know, I think that it is generally an accepted thesis
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[1988]that a group of dedicated men who.are prepared to give their Lives
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[2011]can in time assassinate almost anybody, Now, the Cuban was not
[2012]that kind of a Person. That-was- not his psychological make-up.
[2013]Ha tends to want to live, to enjoy life, to talk about his
[2014]accomplishment. Therefore, while they werg brave and dedicated,
[2015]they were the kind of People who would Probably engage in
[2016]something like this in the context of using tha Sniper weapon
[2017]as a vehicle for assassination, long distance.
[2019]Therefore, in this context you are talking about range, you
[2021]know, one of the key factors becomes what is the accurate range
[2023]of a weapon if firea by. an expert marksman, Therefore, that is
[2025]_the kind of thing that would go into, you know, discussions of
[2027]Weapons.
[2029]Mr. Baron. When you were discussing weapons with high
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[2033]range and low muzzle Velocity, was this ever discussed in the
[2034]context of shooting Fidel Castro or other key Cuban leaders as
[2035]opposed to targetted shocting on a commando raid.
[2037]Mr. alley. Iocan recall, you know, no conversation in
[2038]which it was narrowly focused on the question of Fidel Castro.
[2040]“Mr. Baron. Let us go back, then, to putting this all
[2042]-into historical context. Iam going to ask you if you can
[2044]explain more about the structure of the JMWAVE Station, both
[2045]the channels vwupward .: from you to the Agency and the Special
[2046]Group and the channels downward from you to your Operatives,
[2048]if in the course of explaining the structure, you would like to
[2050]make some comments about the historical context, that would be
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[2055]appreciated,
[2057]Mr. Halley. I think what I would like to do is to try to
[2059]put this into some perspective,
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[2063]The perspective really starts with the failure of the Bay
[2064]of Pigs Operation. After the failure of the Bay of Pigs, the
[2065]Kennedy Administration wanted another look taken at the problem
[2066]of Cuba. In order to get that other look started, the Kennedy
[2067]Administration created this threa-man task force or this three-
[2068]Man group and wanted to see what else could ba done against
[2069]Cuba, and that is when I came into this problem in February of
[2070]"62.
[2072]Mr. Baron. Is it possible that the three-man group that
[2073]you are referring to is actually the Robert Kennedy-Maxwell
[2074]Taylor Board of Inquiry into the reasons for the failure of the
[2075]Bay of Pigs Operation?
[2077]Mr. Halley. This three-man group stemmed out of that
[2078]inquiry. What its relationship was to the inquiry, I do not kno, .
[2079]because I was not involved and I never had an opportunity once
[2080]I plunged into this job, to go back and read those historical
[2081]“documents. You know, I am sure thera is a Maxwell Taylor Repor tl,
[2082]and so forth; but I have never read it.
[2084]All right.
[2086]Therefore, my first task wher I became involved in this
[2087]was the task of coming up with an operational plan to see what
[2089]kinds of intelliqence could be collected in Cuba, so that by
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[2115]collecting this intelligence, an assessment could be made based
[2116]on hard facts as to what could be done against Castro. In other
[2117]words; the difference here was that People thought that the Bay
[2118]of Pigs operation was not soundly grounded in intelligence.
[2119]Therefore, this was an attempt to start the collection of -
[2120]intelligenca to sea what could be done.
[2122]In order to collect intelligence at that particular time,
[2123]it was beliaved that all avenues of approach should be used,
[2124]so that meant classical foreign intelligenca operations,
[2125]counterintelligence Operations, the debriefing of refugees, and
[2127]the usa of Paramilitary means to put teams into Cuba to collect
[2129]‘intelligence on that part of the island that could not be
[2131]covered by what you would call the More classical means of
[2132]foreign intelligence collection.
[2134]As the program was started essentially by me or accelerate
[2135]by me, we in fact got caught up with the Cuban Missile Crisis -
[2136]that is, the advent of the Soviet intervention into Cuba -- and
[2137]our whole effort shifted to covering that Soviet build-up in
[2139]Cuba, and this was an integral part to our having datectead the
[2141]“Soviet build-up and the United States government taking the
[2143]actions which they did, that is, to verify this.
[2145]- there Was a great problem for a while when we Were all
[2146]talking about hard intelligence, the ‘President, John Kennedy,
[2147]‘was telling us, give us hard intelligence. We thought we were
[2149]giving him hard intelligence. What he Meant, in his dafinition
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[2171]of hard intelligence, as it turned out to be, was a U-2
[2172]photograph. He never articulated that to ua in those terms,
[2174]uThen..we got caught up into the aybball to eyeball confron-
[2175]tation of the Cuban Missile Crisis. When that was over, we
[2176]got caught up with the problem of monitoring. the disengagement.
[2177]of the Soviet presence in Cuba . That took us up through sometim
[2178]inte early '63.
[2180]Then we took a look again, because we knew an awful lot
[2181]More about them than we had when we started in February of '62,
[2182]to see what could be done against Cuba, and it was clear at
[2183]that point that no external invasion was going to be possible,
[2184]because that was something that was excluded by the Khruschev-
[2185]Kennedy agreement and then it was not feasible. In any event,
[2186]therefore it was a question of what could be done. So we were
[2187]collecting intelligence to continue to stay ontop of the
[2188]situation. We were attempting to establish contacts with the
[2189]military establishment in Cuba to see if there was any: force
[2190]that was opposed to Castro within the military establishment
[2192]that would be used to alter the situation and continue to see
[2194]“whether there were any economic Pressures that could be brought
[2196]“Cuba that would accelerate the whole problem of creating
[2197]an environment in which a resistance could be created on an
[2198]island.
[2200]_ Mr. Baron. Were those the two primary tactics used at
[2202]that point when Castro had consolidated his strength — and
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[2215]when the United States and Russia reached an egreement that no
[2217]external invasion of Cuba would take Place, did you turn
[2218]primarily to the ways and means of finding a dissident group
[2219]within Cuba that might be capable of overthrowing Castro,
[2220]number one, and number two, of finding means of undermining
[2221]the economic strength of the Castro government,
[2223]Mr. Halley. In addition, we were continuing to support
[2224]certain elements of resistance, you know, that were still there
[2225]that were not in the Army.
[2227]Mr. Baron. What kinds of elements ware those?
[2229]Mr. Halley. These were paramilitary forces that were in
[2230]Cuba, that we had put in or established contact with, or people
[2231]who Were already in the bush who we had already established
[2232]contact with or they had established contact with us, and we
[2233]were providing them with food, weapons and so forth so that they
[2234]could survive. So that it was a multifaceted approach at that
[2235]Particular time.
[2237]That went on from the middle of '63 until the middle of
[2239]‘65, and these are two distinct phases of this operation. In
[2241]“effect, One, 4 survey, and two, the Missile Crisis and its
[2243]post-mortem, and then the next phase was the continuation of
[2244]intelligence collection, the working or taking the sounding with
[2245]military dissidents, economic pressure, and working with
[2246]natural dissident elements that were still on the island.
[2248]I think you know that all of your questions have to be put
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[2275]into these various timeframes. When ‘you talk about, was there
[2276]ever a discussion of assassination, you know, when people
[2277]Were coming out and being interviewed, yes, some Cuban refugee
[2278]would say, by God, I would like to go back and shoot, you know,
[2279]X, Yor Z. It might have been some commandante in his particu-
[2280]lar area; it could have been Fidel Castro. This was just part
[2281]of the fabric of the times.
[2283]Mr. Baron. Can we turn now to the structure of the JMWAVE
[2284]Station and explain that a bit? Ilow large was the Station?
[2285]What was the command. structure within the Station?
[2287]Mr. Halley. The Station started expanding in whatever
[2288]timeframa it was, somewhere after the survey was completed, It
[2289]must have started expanding sometime in March of 1962. You
[2290]know, by the time that it was at its peak, which was probably
[2291]Somewhere just before the Cuban Missile Crisis, July, August
[2292]of 1962, it was either the largest or the second largest -- my
[2293]recollection was that it was the second largest station in
[2294]existence at that time. I would not want to be pinned down on
[2295]a particular number of People on any particular day.
[2297]Mr. Baron... Could you give some idea as to the number of
[2298]employees at the Station during its peak?
[2300]Mr. Halley. I would say somewhere in the neighbordhood of,
[2301]you know, {feng manda j, YOu know, again, this means staff and
[2302]contract employees.
[2304]Mr. Baron. What do you cover with the term contract
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[2309]employees?
[2310]Mr. Halley. These would be, for instanca, maritime casa
[2312]officers. We hired People who had specialized skills, that is,
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[2317]Were not longterm staff employees. These would be people who
[2319]would be used, if you will, in a Management organization, basic
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[2323]implementation of the program.
[2325]Mr. Baron. Did you have other agents or operatives amonq
[2327]the Cuban community or outside the Cuban community that were
[2328]affiliated with the Station although not employed by it
[2329]directly?
[2331]Mr. Halley. TI think we are going to have to define some
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[2363]activities, how Many people the Station had to call upon for
[2364]its activities.
[2365]* Mr. Halley. Well, let me try to give you an answer, becausé
[2366]I think we are going to get into a semantic Problem here.
[2368]When I talk about tha Station, as such, I would say that
[2369]is roughly in the neighborhood of qfiits ‘tat Eypeople, and that lod |
[2370]was those people who would be involved in the Management
[2372]effort, the direction effort, the financial logistics, cover
[2374]Procedures, security, that kind of thing. All right? Flowing
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[2378]out from that were people whom we would call agents, that is,
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[2402]People who were not knowledgeable necessarily of whom thay
[2403]worked for or whera the cover offices wera located and so forth.
[2404]Let us say, in the maritime part of the Operation we might have
[2405]had at any one point in time, you know, up to five hundred
[2406]People involved in maritime activities, you know?
[2408]Again, if you pick a date, I am sure we can research it.
[2409]The records are still availahle and you know how many People
[2410]we had, but let us take these five hundred. What am I talking
[2411]about? Thesa would be essentially Cubans who were. the captains
[2412]of the vessles that were used in infiltration operations to
[2413]Put people on ‘the shore of Cuba, and there were a variety of
[2414]techniques. In other words, you might start on with the mother
[2415]ship, which would be an LCI -- I am not sure how familiar you
[2416]are with various kinds of vessels.
[2418]Mr. Baron. What is an LCL?
[2420]Mr. Halley. Landing craft kind of vessle, or a patrol
[2422]-craft, a PC, 110-foot vessle, that would be a mother ship.
[2424]This is the kind of ship that would take fuel supplies and
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[2427]water, so that other smaller vessels could be serviced by it.
[2429]"So you might start with an operation of a mother ship towing a
[2431]smaller boat, or having it on its decks and going down to
[2432]fifteen or twenty miles from Cuba, putting the smaller boat
[2433]Over the sida, which was a faster boat, lower silhouette, less
[2434]likely to be picked up by Cuban coastal radar, and then that
[2436]would take the team in close to the shore where we might finally
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[2450]put them into rubber rafts, where they would paddle in or use
[2451]a silent outboard motor if the surf was high.
[2453]Mr, Baron. The people involved in manning those crafts
[2454]would not necessarily be employees of the Station directly?
[2455]They might be agents, even non-paid agents?
[2457]Mr. Halley. No, they were not paid. For instance, they
[2458]might work for a particular cover éompany . In other words, I
[2459]am only using this as an example. Let us say we had the ABC
[2460]Shipping Company. That shipping company was a subsidiary of
[2462]the Station, if you will,and the ABC Shipping Company ran
[2464]maybe one LCI and maybe two or three smaller boats which it
[2466]could deck load and that company might have fifty or seventy-
[2468]five employees, as an example, all Cubans, maybe some of them
[2470]1 .
[2472]‘was Nicaraguans or Costa Ricans as most of these vessels -- I
[2474]would have to go and look at each vessel.
[2476]Does that give you a feel for the size of the problem?
[2478]Mr. Baron. How many such companies would have been in
[2480]existence at that time, companies oparating as CIA proprietaries
[2482]or companies in cover and supplying the JMWAVE Station with
[2484].personnel or with equipment?
[2486]Mr, Halley. We are talking about all of these companies,
[2487]they probably went up into the hundreds. I distinguish between
[2488]companies that were set up simply to provide cover as opposed
[2490]‘to companies that were proprietaries. You know, these terms
[2492]_mean different things to me. Tha nature of. the Agency's
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[2501]involvement in-each is different. I am having a little
[2502]trouble -- . .
[2504]Mr. Baron. Could you explain what different categories of
[2505]companisas you were receiving halp from at that Point, and about
[2506]how many of each there might have been?
[2508]Mr. Halley. I do not think I could'do that. We are
[2509]talking about hundreds of companies that we used during that
[2510]Period of time. Some of them might simply have been a company
[2511]Set up and registered and run out of soma attorney's
[2513]office. It simply provided back stopping for the ownership of
[2515]‘the small boat.
[2517]_ Everything has to be owned by somebody, it has to have a
[2519]Coast Guard registration, you know, things like that. Even if
[2520]I had access to the files to answer your question, it would
[2521]take me weeks to pull all that together to give you an answer.
[2522]I don't think there is an overview statement.
[2524]Mr. Baron. Would it be fair to say that you had coopera-
[2525]tion on a grand scale from all kinds of people in private
[2526]enterprise.in the Miami area; or in Southern Florida?
[2528]Mr. Halley. I think it would be fair to say that we had
[2529]extensive cooperation — I do not like your word "grand" -- that
[2530]we had extensive cooperation from the civilian sector in
[2531]Florida, in the state of Florida, to facilitate the conduct of
[2532]this clandestine mission. .
[2534]Mr. Baron. “Did you also have extensive cooperation from
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[2545]civic officials and law enforcement agencies in being allowed
[2547]to operate frea or the law? For instance, were you allowed to
[2549]put vessels onto the water which were not properly registered,
[2551]or which could be held immune for inspection by the Coast Guard
[2552]or other maritime authorities, and were you allowed to send
[2553]People through the streets of Southarn Florida who may have
[2554]bean armed or violating local law in some other way, who were
[2555]held immune by arrangements that you had with law enforcement
[2556]agencies?
[2558]Mr. Malley. You hava asked me, in essence, threa
[2559]questions. |
[2561]Mr. Baron. Right’
[2563]Mr. Halley. Let me try to divide that and deal with each
[2564]question separately.
[2566]Let ma first deal with tha vessels. Every vessel that we
[2567]had was appropriately registered. There were no short-cuts::
[2568]insofar as the U.S. Coast Guard was concerned. That is, any
[2570]vessel that was registered in the United States met appropriate
[2572]safety standards and so forth, so we were not putting any
[2574]‘vessels into the water that any citizen could not have put into
[2576]the water. That is we are talking about ten, fifteen, twenty
[2577]foot boats, thirty foot boats, thirty-five foot boats, things
[2578]like that. These hoats were owned in‘either a. corporate. name
[2579]or by a private individual who had to register then with the
[2581]Coast Guard and pass normal Coast Guard requlations.
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[2587]Mr. Baron. To continue with this, I understand that
[2589]safety regulations would have been complied with, but “was there
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[2593]some sort of immunity from inspection, say inspection for
[2595]carrying armaments aboard a vessel that the CIA had arranged
[2597]with maritime authorities, or local law enforcament authorities?
[2598]Mr. Halley. When we had operations going, these were
[2600]coordinated with the Coast Guard in terms of their knowing that,
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[2604]you know, at a particular date, time group, that there would be
[2605]a rendezvous between two vessels which wera our vessels, and
[2606]this was coordinated with the Coast Guard.
[2608]Mr. Baron. Would you return to the second part of that
[2609]large question? Without reference to vessels, were CIA
[2610]employees or agents on the streets of cities in Southern
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[2632]Let me ask to dispel one myth that I think has developed
[2633]which is reflected in your question. We were meticulous to
[2634]‘insure that no weapons were issued to anybody until the men
[2635]were on the vessel outside of the immediate waters of south
[2636]Florida, and we were meticulous to insure that when they came
[2637]back from a mission that they were met at sea and all the
[2639]Weapons Were taken .away from them.
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[2665]you. to feel that I was being less than candid with you, and
[2666]you keep saying south Florida, I want to say to you that we
[2667]Operated in the state of Florida, men moving around armed under
[2668]our control’ in tha state of Florida, is just not correct.
[2670]This was all carefully ‘controlled and they did not have their
[2671]Weapons when they came back, we .took them before they landed,
[2672]So they were not immune.
[2674]Mr. Baron. You did have general arrangements or agreements
[2675]with law enforcement agencies throughout Florida for the
[2676]treatment of CIA operatives who were affilfated with the JMWAVR
[2677]Station?
[2679]Mr. Halley. We dia have, through our Office of Security,
[2681]@ continuing dialogue with @ number of law enforcement agencies
[2682]in Florida. If a problem developed, we would then contact them
[2683]and look at the issue within the context of what had transpired.
[2684]Certainly there was no immunity. In other words, this has to be
[2685]looked at on a case by case basis.
[2687]For instance, you know, we had a training site in north
[2689]‘Florida, as an example, If somebody came off of that site that
[2691]was drunk and disorderly in town ‘and could not speak English,
[2692]the local authorities did have a number to call to raise this
[2693]with us to see whether this was Somebody that was of interest
[2694]to.us, and then we would have to go and settle that particular
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[2702]Mr. Baron. Back to the structure of the relationships
[2703]between yourself as Chief of Station at JMWAVE and any operative
[2705]Or employees who worked underneath you at that Station, would
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[2709]it be fair to say that any activities run out of the Station
[2710]ultimately were channeled out through you?
[2712]Mr. Halley. They should have been, and they were -- you
[2713]know this Station went through several mutations in organization
[2714]during its existence. 1 guess the organizational structure that
[2715]existed for the longest period of time was something lika I am
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[2753]Then the rest of the Station was organized into a number of
[2754]branches. Each branch was organized along functional lines.
[2755]Lat me give you an example. “There was a Foreign Intelligence
[2757]“Branch. These were people in, what in my terminology would be
[2759]classical foreign intelligence operations. That is, trying to
[2760]recruit a . Cuban diplomat abroad, as an example, dealing with,
[2761]you know, a Uruquayan diplomat in the Uruguayan Embassy in
[2763]Havana. They are working with resident agents in Cuba who might
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[2773]butcher or something but had a radio sat in which they could
[2774]communicate with us, through which they could communicate to us.
[2776]Then there was the Paramilitary Branch. This was the
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[2780]group that ran the commando operations. This was the group that
[2781]ran, and put péople back into Cuba, into resistance groups, or
[2782]established contact with resistance groups. This was a group
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[2785]that also worked in putting in caches that would supply people,
[2786]either paramilitary forcas in Cuba or agents that were being
[2787]run by the Foreign Intelligence Group.
[2789]All right. Then there was a Covert Action, people who
[2790]dealt with exiled refugee groups that wera involved in radio
[2792]activities, Publications, that kind of thing. Then there is a
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[2807]finance, and so on. Security was a branch. ‘Obviously, under
[2808]that kind of system, no 6xecutive, whether he is president of
[2809]a corporation or a Station Chief, can see every single piece of
[2810]Paper that comes in or out, but clearly there was a review
[2811]Procedure whereby program reviews were conducted, individual
[2812]Operational reviews were conducted.
[2814]Mr. Baron. By yourself?
[2816]Mr. Halley. By myself. I do not want to leava you with
[2818]the impression that I knew every single thing that was going
[2819]on every minute and could account for the activities of three
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[2825]Mr. Baron. . In talking about the personnel affiliated
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[2837]with the Station & moment ago, I think-we may have created a:.
[2839]misimpression that the only people involved in CIA operations
[2840]were people who were paid by the Agency. Isn't it also true
[2841]that thera were Many members of Cuban exile groups in Florida
[2842]who participated voluntarily from time to time in CIA sporisored
[2844]Operations?
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[2848]Mr. Halley. I think that you may hava to sharpen that up
[2849]for me. I am not sure what you really maan.
[2851]‘If you are talking about foreign intelligence collections,
[2852]you know, the people who were producing --
[2854]Mr. Baron. I am talking now about the paramilitary
[2855]Operations.
[2857]Mr. Halley. No. I do not know of any People that were
[2858]involved in paramilitary operations that Ware not in some way
[2859]paid.
[2861]Mr. Baron. By the Agency?
[2863]Mr. Halley. By the Agency.
[2865]Let me make sure that we understand each Other, because
[2867]during this period of time there were a lot of independent
[2869]“Cuban groups who claimed that they had sponsorship from the
[2871]Agency but did not, and were Operating, and there was 2 period
[2872]in time when these Groups could not run their operations from
[2874]Florida without running the risk of being picked up by Customs,
[2875]Immigration, Coast Guard, the FBI, or if We had information on
[2877]it, you know, wa might pass the information to the Coast Guard
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[2886]so that they could keep them from going.
[2888]If that is what you ara referring to, somebody like Alpha 6
[2890]or Commando L or somebody like that, they were not a part of
[2892]the CIA apparatus.
[2894]Mr. Baron. Although you might be aware of their activities
[2896]Mr.‘ Halley. We would be aware of their activities,
[2897]certainly:
[2899]Mr..Baron. Can you explain if thare is anything to add
[2900]to what we have already said? The chain of command, apart from
[2901]yourself as Chief of Station, to Task Force W and to the
[2902]Directorate of Plans within the Agency?
[2904]You would report directly to William Harvey? °
[2906]Mr. Halley. William Narvey was Chief of Task Force W,
[2907]later FitzGerald. My chain of command was from ma to them.
[2909]You know, they had a subordinate staff who helped them monitor
[2910]the Station's activity, so that it just was not the fact, you
[2911]know, that Mr. Harvey and Mr. FitzGerald were totally dependent
[2912]on what I told them. To have an appreciation of what was going
[2914]on in Miami they had their own staff that was following
[2916]‘individual operations.
[2918]For instance, they had a paramilitary staff that would
[2919]review our proposals for a paramilitary operation and © might
[2920]Say we think that the Station has overextended itself this
[2921]month, they want to run twenty-five operations given the
[2923]weather during this particular month of October. We do not
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[2929]only twenty, fifteen, something like that, So they were not
[2931]totally dependent on me,
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[2935]Mr. Baron. What was the nature of the split of responsi-
[2936]bility between Task Forca W and JMWAVE Station?
[2938]In other words, ware there certain Oparations that were
[2940].
[2942]Yun directly out of Task Force W?
[2944]Mr. Halley. Also, you have to Put this into a historical
[2945]time. What Period are you talking about?
[2947]Mr. Baron. During the period of your tenure. If there
[2948]were changes during your tenure at JMWAVE, why do you not
[2949]explain those?
[2951]Mr. Halley. There were. Each one is different... Let me
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[2975]Washington wanted to ‘plant a.uradio in Cuba which was to:be: pickdd
[2976]up by foreign intelligence agents who could report, they would
[2977]‘task us to implant that radio in a cache in a particular area
[2979]in Cuba, for‘ instance; Oriente Province. We would know simply
[2980]that it was a radio ‘pertiaps.. Wa would then put it into
[2982]Oriente province, write up the site, give them the rip cord.
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[2986]They would communicate to the agents' in Cuba who’ would: go
[2988]recover the cache.
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[2998]So they had agents in Cuba that were reporting foreign
[3000]intelligence to them so they had collection « “assets that were
[3001]reporting to them along the sama lines that we did. They ‘dia
[3002]work at. 2 downstream point when FitzGerald came in with a
[3003]couple of groups ~- in other words, they had contact with
[3004]Artime. I had no contact with the Artime group as a general
[3005]rule. They also had contact with Manolo Ray which I did not
[3007]have contact with. So they were working with these kinds of
[3009]larger exile groups.
[3011]The Task Force also specialized in much more economic
[3012]activity than I did, That is & question of looking at such
[3013]things as Tie aud bus exports Erom {@&
[3015]Mr. Baron. In terms of Paramilitary Operations, if an
[3016]assassination Operation had been run by Task Force W, would
[3017]you have assumed aS Chief of Station in Miami you would have
[3018]been aware of such an operation?
[3020]Mr. Halley. No, I do not assume that.
[3022]Mr. Baron. Woula it not have been-sound managerial
[3024]practice to let you know that there was an operation that might
[3026]“have been run through Florida into Cuba?
[3028]Mr. Halley. No.
[3030]You know, the Agency is a highly compartmented mechanism.
[3031]You know, let us dispel one thing very Promptly here. - If you
[3032]are asking me was-I aware of all these contacts, you know, with
[3034]the Mafia -- and I think I can tell you frankly at that time I
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[3065]to review the activitias of the station, and while. thera would
[3066]go off on his own and make his contact with whomever he was
[3067]meeting. I knew he was meeting somebody, but it was not up to
[3068]Me to find out with whom he was meating or why he was meeting
[3069]them or what he was doing with them.
[3071]Mr. Baron. My question really was, I think more innocent
[3072]than that.
[3074]Was fe strictly one of involving what correct Management
[3075]techniques would be, or what kind of knowledge the Chief of _
[3076]Station of JMWAVE would have to have in order to do an effective
[3077]job in dealing with the Cuban communi ty and running operations
[3078]into Cuba? You seem to be saying that it would not be _.
[3079]necessary to run an effective job to have knowledge of every
[3081]other Operation that the CIA is running against Castro?
[3083]Mr. Halley. JI think what I am saying during that particu-
[3085]“lar time ~~ I do not want you to come to the conclusion that
[3087]Iwas knowledgeable of everything that ‘ran in from or through
[3089]the state of Florida, because during that Period of time, for
[3091]‘instance, Mr. Harvey in particular was a very compartmented
[3093]gentleman, and it would be keeping with his style to run an
[3094]Operation in which the locus of the operation might be Florida
[3095]and I would not know about it.
[3097]Now, that would be an unusual thing, but it is not preclude
[3099]Mr. Baron. Let us turn for a moment to following up on the
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[3122]nature of your contacts with William Harvey in raference to any
[3123]Operations he may have in running unilaterally against Castro,
[3124]Do you recall aiding Harvey in an operation that he was in charg
[3125]of and that was not affiliatéd-with IMWAVE?
[3127]Mr. Halley. I.do not recall anything, I do not recall
[3128]anything specific. In other words, the pattern was in terms of
[3129]command and control, I would come to Washington on a regular
[3130]basis to review activity with Harvey after wa submitted our
[3131]Paperwork. Harvey was also a frequent visitor to Florida.
[3133]We would have operational discussions, Ne would talk to th
[3134]Branch Chiefs, he talked to People. He also went out on his
[3135]Own, and he was meeting somebody, it was clear to me that he
[3136]was meeting People. But it was frankly in the way that the
[3137]Agency is run and Managed, it was not a concern to me whom he:
[3138]was meeting.
[3140]Mr. Baron. Would it have been Proper of you to inquire
[3141]of him whom he was meeting? -
[3143]Mr. Halley. No, it would not haves been,
[3145]Mr. Baron. Did you have suspicions or speculation about
[3147]‘whom he might have been meeting or for what purpose that ha
[3149]was having these meetings?
[3151]Mr. Halley. No, not for what PurpoSe. There is a whole,
[3152]you know, panoply of things going On at that time. You know,
[3153]frankly Iwas a very busy guy; when Harvey was there, it occupied
[3155]one hunk of a lot of my time. t¢€ he wanted to go off, you know,
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[3179]do something else and was going to meet someone alsa, that was
[3180]fine with ma. “It enabled me to get back to my immediate and
[3181]Morea pressing problems.
[3183]In this business you just do not ask your suparior, what
[3184]are you doing? That is just not cricket; that is not the way
[3185]the game is played.
[3187]Mr. Baron. Do you recall atime when Harvey asked you to-
[3188]procure arms and.equipment to be passed to a: Cuban exile?
[3190]Mr. Halley. To a Cuban exile?
[3192]Mr. Baron. Let me strike the reference to a Cuban exile.
[3194]Do you recall a time when Harvey asked your aid in procur-
[3195]ing arms ari equipment to be given to a man named Tony Varona
[3196]who was'a contact of Harvey's?°
[3198]Mr. Halley. I know Tony Varona. He was in the period --
[3199]prior to the Bay of Pigs, he was part of the consejo.
[3201]Frankly, if you've got something that you can sharpen that
[3202]up, I think you need some basis, that I think that can trigqer
[3203]my memory here. I do not remember frankly Tony Varona being
[3204]in Harvey's -- .
[3206]Mr. Baron. In contact with Harvey?
[3208]Mr. Halley. You know, I may have procured: something for
[3209]Harvey, some kind of equipment or done some kind of. operational
[3210]support task. .
[3212]Mr. Baron. Let us make it more specific.
[3214]Do you recall helping Warvey load a U-Haul trailer full of
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[3226]about $5,000 worth of arms and equipment ‘to be left in a parking
[3228]lot and picked up there by a contact of Harvey's? And this
[3229]would be in approximately April of 1962. a
[3230]Mr. Halley. I. do vaguely remember something about a rented
[3231]truck. Quite frankly, I do not really recall all the details
[3232]of this at this particular time. I do not remember, you know,
[3233]personally procuring any material, but it is conceivable that
[3234]I did get a request from Harvey, that I did go to the logistics
[3235]apparatua, and whatever he had requested from official stocks
[3236]he was provided.
[3237]Mr. Baron. During that same period of tima --
[3238]Mr. Halley. I do recall something about a truck. I do
[3239]not recall anything about a trailer. My recollection of this
[3240]truck incident seems to be -- I do not remember what it was.
[3241]Wa did do something for him logistically, I do remember a truck
[3243]being involved with some logistic material in terms of.a
[3245]‘parking lot. But frankly that is about all I can recall of it
[3247]bat this particular time. |
[3249]Mr. Baron. Do you have any recollection of hearing of
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[3252]‘poison pills in any connection during your tenure at JMWAVE?
[3254]Mr. Halley. No, 1 do not recall -- poison pills? Poison
[3255]pills, the only kind of thing I can recall occasionally when
[3256]people were talking about. being on mother ships, you know, what
[3257]would happen if they were captured. This was a discussion
[3259]occasionally of whether any kind of drugs should be issued to
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[3271]the people who were manning these vessels so they could do
[3272]themselves in if they were to be captured, things like that,
[3273]but we never issued any such pills but there were discussions
[3274]of that kind of a problem. I do recall specific agents who
[3276]were gent back to Cuba to run a collection or to go back into
[3278]the bush and so forth who asked for som® sort of pills which
[3280]they could kill themselves with if they wera captured.
[3282]But other than that -~ if that is what you were referring ,
[3284]to, I think they are called L pills, or something, as they
[3286]were referred to in those days.
[3288]Mr. Baron. Why were they called L pills?
[3290]Mr. Hallev. Everything has a number or nomenclature, I
[3291]do not know."
[3293]Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear of poison pills to ba used
[3294]in assassination operations against Fidel Castro or other
[3295]Cuban leaders?
[3297]Mr. Halley. No.
[3299]Is that referencing to this material that I might have
[3301]provided for Harvey? Because if that is the case, I can dispel
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[3304]“that quickly, because I would not have had access to them.
[3306]Mr. Baron. You would not have access to poison pills?
[3308]Mx. Halley. No, I would not have access to them.
[3310]Mr. Baron. Why not? .
[3312]Mr, Halley. I did not have them in my inventory. That is
[3314]not anything that I have, you know, command and control of. Tha
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[3342]Mr. Baron. They would have had to come directly from
[3343]Technical Services Division at CIA?
[3345]Mr. Halley. That is what I'm trying to clarify what it is
[3346]that you are trying to establish from me,
[3348]In other words, if you are @aying --
[3350]Mr. Baron. Let us move further, I think we can be more
[3351]specific now.
[3353]We have a document that I am about to show you. I just
[3354]wanted to clear up. the background of it before we discussed
[3355]the document.
[3357]Mr. Halley. Let me just make this point. If you are
[3358]talking about drug pills, I had no source of such things, so
[3359]if that is the nature of your question, I can say I had nothing
[3361]to do with that. If you are talking about, you know --
[3365]- Mr. Baron. Arms and equipment --
[3366]Mr. Halley. -- weapons or something, yes, that was in my
[3367]inventory. I could have issued that to Harvey, you know, guns,
[3369]ammunition, plastics, that kind of thing I could have haa
[3371]‘access to, yes. That is why I am trying to sort out really
[3373]where the thrust of your questioning is.
[3375]Mr. Baron. There were two prongs: to the question, you
[3376]have picked both of them up. One is whether you had ever heard
[3377]of poison pills in connection with an assassination operation
[3379]against Fidel Castro, and your testimony would be that you had
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[3388]not, is that correct?
[3390]Mr. Halley. That is right. I would not have had access
[3391]to those pills myself, nor did the Station. In other words, if
[3392]I had wanted something like that, I would have had to corres-
[3393]ponded with Washington in order to have had access to it, if
[3394]in fact it existed. : coat
[3396]Mr. Baron. You never had any such correspondence?
[3398]“Mr. Halley. I never had any correspondence that I can
[3400]recall.
[3402]Mr. Baron. The other problem was the supply of arms and
[3404]equipment to which you already replied.
[3405]Have you ever read that Inspector General's Report of
[3407]1967, prepared at the request of the NCI to fill him in on any
[3409]| assassination efforts to which the CIA may have been connected?
[3411]Mr. Halley. No, I have not read the report.
[3413]Mr. Baron. Before you came here today you were not shown
[3414]any excerpts from this report to refresh your recollection at
[3415]the CIA?
[3417]Mr. Halley. The IG Report?
[3419]Mr. Baron. Yes.
[3421]Mr. Halley. No, I havs not.
[3423]Mr. Baron. Ware you shown any other documents at the CIA
[3424]today to refresh ~-- or in preparation for today's session --
[3426]Mr. Halley. No.
[3428]In preparation for today's session I have had several
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[3434]Mr. Baron. Walt Elder?
[3436]Mr. Halley. I talked to Walt Elder on the phone. You know
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[3440]the people who are involved in this thing. I have asked for
[3441]that, I talked to our attorney, Clarke ~-
[3443]Mr. baron. George Clarke?
[3445]Mr. Halley. Yes.
[3447]-~- I talked to a number af people, I asked to see the.
[3448]newspaper clipping from the Miami Ierald on the NcGovern
[3449]activity. Yes, I have looked at that kind of thing. But I
[3450]have not looked at the specific IG Report. I have not read it,
[3452]‘I have not seen an extract of the IG Report.
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[3458]Mr. Baron. Were you given any specific instructions as to
[3460]the kinds of things that, you could say or not say here today?
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[3466]Mr. Halley. . You know, nothing beyond what you and I
[3467]touched on which you have-already put on the record. -
[3469]Mr. Baron. Which is not to mention the names of CIA
[3470]officers who are still operating under cover?
[3472]Mr. Halley. Right, or agents who would still be viable
[3473]“that I know of.
[3475]Mr. Baron. Right.
[3477]Then let me show you a document which we will mark as
[3479]Halley Exhibit No. 2.
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[3528]Mr. Baron. Which is an excerpt from the Inspector General’
[3529]Report of 1967 at paqes 49 and 50, and I will ask you to read
[3531]the portions that I will bracket which deal with a report of
[3533]a@ Meeting between yourseif and William MNarvay involving the
[3535]supply of arms and equipment.
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[3538]. .
[3540]Mr. Halley. I have no reason to doubt this. I may have
[3541]provided this support. I do not recall sitting in a parking lot}
[3542]observing --
[3544]Mr. Baron. For the record, wa are discussing the passage
[3546]that begins, “When the pills were given to Varona through
[3548]Roselli, Varona requested arms and equipment needed for the
[3549]support of his end of the operation. Roselli passed the request
[3550]to Harvey. Harvey, with the help of (Mr. Halley], the chief
[3552]of the JMWAVE Station, procured" .--.
[3554]Continuing .--And then it continues to say a large shopping
[3555]list of arms and equipment, which cost about $5,000 and were
[3556]supplied in a parking lot of a drive-in restaurant ina rented
[3557]U-Haul truck.
[3558]| ‘Would the cost of $5,000 have been an unusual expenditure
[3559]at that time at JMWAVE Station for arms and equipment?
[3561]Mr. Halley. No, $5,900 would not have been an unusual
[3562]expenditure. .
[3564]Mr. Baron. Not unusual enough, in fact, for you to have
[3566]a particular memory of the event?
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[3576]Mr. Halley. No.
[3577]Now that I read over this thing, I do recall, as I told
[3578]you earlier before you showed ma this document something about
[3580]a ranted truck and being involved with Harvey in providing him
[3582]some logistical support for an activity. I do not recall this.
[3584]specific list of equipment being’“involved,- you know, sowewhere
[3585]you got this and if I could check it against the files, if there
[3586]are any files available, I could verify whether this is correct
[3587]or not.
[3589]Mr. Baron. Whether or not the particular list is correct,
[3590]you would say that these couple of passaqes from the IG Report
[3591]generally characterize youf involvement with Narvey in this —
[3593]One incident correctly?
[3595]Mr. Halley. I would want to sharpen this up, because you
[3596]have one, two, two paragraphs here. In the first paragraph
[3597]there is a reference to some pills. I had nothing to do with
[3598]any pills. I have no recollection of any pills.
[3600]Mr. Baron. Let us jump then to the very last statement and
[3601]let me ask you if this confirms your own sense of your knowledge
[3602]The report says: "Harvey says that [Halley]" -- here I
[3603]am using your alias =--"never knew to whom delivery was made nor
[3605]for what purpose. [Halley] was merely called upon to furnish
[3606]support for a headquarters operation from which he was otherwise
[3607]excluded."
[3609]Does that generally characterize correctly your point of
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[3614]involvement with this activity?
[3615]Mr. Halley. I would say that is corract.
[3617]I want to go back to these other points, though, because
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[3621]I want to be meticulously corract here. I do not recall the
[3622]specifics of this inventory of equipment. I do not recall,
[3623]you know, sitting in a parking lot, surveilling any kind of a
[3624]vehicla.: On the other hand, I do recall having been involved
[3625]with Harvey in some sort of an effort with a U-Haul truck.
[3626]Now therefore that last sentence you have read is correct,
[3628]I knew nothing about any of this delivery.and l.was called
[3630]to furnish support for a headquarters operation from which
[3632]was otherwise excluded.
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[3640]Mr. Baron. You are not denying, are you, that you may have
[3644]sat near the parking lot and surveilled the truck until it was
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[3654]Mr. Halley. I have no recollection --
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[3658]Mr. Baron. One way or the other?
[3660]Mr. Halley. No, I would say that my sitting in a parked
[3661]ear with Harvey surveilling a parking lot is the kind of thing
[3662]“that would have stuck in my mind. I do. not recall ever doing.
[3663]that and that is the thing that has me a little perplexed here
[3664]and I am having trouble matching this thing up with my own
[3665]Memory. It would have been damned unusual for Harvey and I to
[3667]have sat in a parking lot, and I just do not recall that.
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[3671]I do have a vague recollection of being involved with him
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[3680]in some sort of caper involving a U-Haul truck.
[3682]Mr. Baron. At that time, if Harvey had made a request of
[3683]you to supply $5,000 worth of equipment like explosives,
[3684]detonators, .30 caliber rifles, .45 caliber handguns, radios
[3685]and boat radar, would you have supplied that equipment to Harvey
[3687]or to anyone he designated without asking him what the purpose
[3689].
[3691]of the operation was?
[3693]Mr. Halley. Yes, I would have supplied 4t to Harvey or
[3694]to his designated representative, devending on how that person
[3695]identified himself to me with the equipment that he requested.
[3696]That was my chain of command and, if he had told me that he
[3697]had wanted this material for any operational activity, I would
[3698]have ‘seen to it that it was issued to him. That is the way the
[3699]Agency functions. .
[3701]Mr. Baron. Would it have been standard procedure in a
[3703]paramilitary operation to procure equipment that would not have
[3705]been traceable to the United States as the IG Report indicates
[3706]was done in this case?
[3708]Mr. Halley. It depends. It depends on what was the
[3710]. Sponsorship that was trying to be conveyed to the paramilitary
[3712]group.
[3714]In other words, let us say there was a Venezuelan business
[3715]man who may hava been giving some assistance to a Cuban exile
[3716]group. If somebody had gotten in touch with that Venezuelan
[3718]businessman and he was saying I brought weapons into Florida
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[3727]or equipment which I will give you, then maybe under that kind o
[3729]a circumstance we wouldn't want anything that would clearly
[3730]identify it with the U.S. government and then that would be the
[3731]normal thing to do. I would have-to know the sponsorship.
[3733]Mr. Baron. This request would not have been extraordinary
[3734]either, to provide “sterile” equipment to a contact of Harvey's?
[3735]' Mr. Halley. It would not have attracted my attention to
[3736]make it seem out of the ordinary.
[3738]Mr. Baron. Were you aware of the presence of a CIA officer
[3739]named Jim O'Connell in Florida at that time?
[3741]Mr. Halley. Nol --- * ee te
[3743]: Mr. Baron. Had you been’aware of any operational. -
[3744]involvement that Jim O'Connell had with anyone in' Florida. at
[3747]- Mr.-Halléy.. I do not know Jim O'Connell. TI have seen
[3748]references to Jim O'Connell in Jack Anderson's columns and
[3749]things like that.since I have been reading tha Press, but I
[3750]do not know Jim O'Connell. If he-walked into this ‘room, -I----
[3752]wouldnot recognize him because I do not think I ever met the
[3754]‘man. I do not know who he is. I asked several of my colleagues
[3756]when I first saw his name appear in the Press who it was, and
[3757]nobady could describe him ina way that would enable me to
[3758]remember ever having seen or Met the man.
[3760]Mr. Baron. Had you heard of the man in connection with
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[3782]Mr. Halley. TI had not.
[3784]Mr. Baron. -- before reading it in the newspapers
[3785]recently?
[3787]Mr. Halley. Before reading in the newspapers and I do not
[3788]know what year I first read this, becausa somewhere in the back
[3789]of my mind is a Jack Anderson column --
[3791]Mr. Baron. And a Drew Pearson column before that.
[3793]Mr. Halley. -- a couple of years ago in which it was
[3794]obvious that this was obtained from a military assignee to the
[3795]Agency named Brad‘ something -- I cannot think of his name
[3796]right now -- and that he was the source of that information. I
[3798]think somewhere in one of those articles, his name had
[3800]‘appeared several years ago. I frankly do not know who the quy
[3802]is.
[3804]Mr. Baron. At any point.in your operational relationship
[3805]with William Harvey in connection with Cuban affairs, did you
[3806]suspect that an assassination operation was being run out of
[3807]Task Force W-against Fidel Castro?
[3809]Mr. Halley. No.
[3811]Mr. Baron. I would like to run down a list of the names
[3812]of some people who were involved in one way or the other with
[3813]an assassination operation that was being run out of Task Force
[3814]W, and I will represent to you that there was indeed an
[3815]assasSination effort or a series of efforts run out of Task
[3817]Force W beginning --. and out of the CIA -~ beginning in October
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[3824]the passage of poison pills to people inside Cuba purportedly
[3825]for use against Castro in the restaurant that he frequented.
[3826]And this plot by William Harvey's own admission was directed
[3827]by Harvey during Narvey's tenure as the Chief of Task Force W.
[3828]Mr. Halley. I take due note of what you are saying. I
[3829]have no knowledge of that. I will ba glad to comment-on any
[3830]ofthe names. My commenting on names is in no way to reflect
[3831]any knowledge on my part of this particular activity, because
[3833]I have no knowledge of it.
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[3848]Mr. Halley. Yes.
[3850]Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear of any assassination: schemes
[3851]which may or may not have been put into effect involving
[3852]exploding sea shells that Castro might pick up by scuba diving?
[3854]Mr. Halley. No, I do not recall any exploding sea shells
[3855]“while Castro was scuba diving, but the problem of Castro being
[3856]an avid scuba diver is well-known to me. As I recall, somewhere
[3857]in this thing there was a refugee group or Cuban exile group
[3858]or somebody at one time in this whole activity who had focused
[3860]on the question of whether Fidel Castro was vulnerable at the
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[3864]time that he was scuba diving. T have heard that. discussed but
[3866]of 1960 involving connections between CIA officials and people :
[3867]who have been characterized as members of the Mafia, of the
[3868]gambling Syndicate who had interests in Havana and which involve
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[3886]frankly I do not ‘remember in what forum, ana your reference to
[3887]the scuba diving has triggered that response. Nothing about
[3888]exploding sea shalls.
[3890]Mr. Baron. You do not recall ever hearing Desmond
[3891]FitzGerald mention that subject or hearing that Desmond
[3892]FitzGerald was involved in exploring that possibility, planting
[3893]an. exploding sea shell? . .
[3895]Mr. Halley. The exploding sea shell is enough of an off-
[3896]beat kind of thing that I think I would have recalled it. I
[3897]don't recall it.
[3899]. I do recall Castro's scuba diving, and that representing
[3900]a vulnerability and somewhere in the recesses of my memory,
[3901]that does strike a bell with me that some exile group, somebody
[3902]was talking about Fidel Castro being vulnerable while he was
[3903]scuba diving.
[3905]Mr. Baron. Did you!ever hear of a plan to present Castro
[3907]} with a skin-diving suit in which bacteria injurious to his healt
[3909]would have been cultured, bacteria that would have produced
[3910]tuberculosis and would have produced a dreadful disease?
[3912]Mr. Halley. I have never heard of any bacteria approach
[3913]to the problem of dealing with Fidel Castro.
[3915]I do want to come back to this that I do recall something
[3917]about scuba diving, you know, on the range of Fidei being
[3919]vulnerable at the time he was scuba diving, but I do not recall
[3921]exploding sea shells or bacteria.
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[3930]Mr. Baron. Let us turn then to tha list of name --
[3932]Mr. Halley. Wait a minute. Just let ma make a note to
[3933]myself.
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[3937]Mr. Baron. .Do you have any knowledge, acquired directly
[3938]or indirectly, of any involvament-of John Roselli in Cuban
[3939]operations?
[3941]Mr. Halley. Other than reading the papers --
[3943]Mr. Baron. Other than what you read recently in the papers
[3944]did you acquire any knowledge during your period as Chief of
[3945]Station at JMWAVE of John Roselli's involvement in Cuban
[3946]operations?
[3948]Mr. Halley. No. I had the impression from Harvey going
[3949]off that he was meeting with somebody, and at one point in time
[3950]I came to the impression that he was meeting a guy by the name
[3951]of John. Who John was, I had no idea. Wa were involved in an
[3953]attempt to try to find two Soviets at one point who were of
[3955]interest. The fellow who provided the lead to that had heen
[3957]a member of one of tha casinos in Cuba at some time.
[3959]Mr. Baron. Do yeu remamber who that was?
[3961]Mr. Halley. No, I do not. I do not remember the man's.
[3962]name. It may come to me, You are asking me things, that
[3963]happened, you know, in 1962. As I have told you, I have been
[3965]ina lot of places.
[3967]Anyway, when We put in a request for a trace on the source
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[3972]of this lead, I was surprised with the speed with which we got
[3974]a response back on this man and the details run down that we
[3976]got on him in terms of who he was and where he worked and so
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[3980]forth, and I think I concluded at that time that somebody knew
[3981]this fellow very well and somewhere in the whole labrynth, eithe
[3982]Justice or we or somebody had access to somebody who could give
[3983]us a great deal of insight into people who had been involved
[3985]with the gambling establishment in Cuba.
[3987]Those are the only two things that I can say to you that
[3988]I knew at the time. Obviously I have sinca read the papers and
[3989]I have put together in my own mind by deduction that the John
[3990]that I was aware of that. Harvey was in touch with must. be John
[3992]Roselli, but I cannot provide to you --
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[3998]Mr. Baron. Would this- person with contacts with gambling
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[4002]interests in Havana have been Santos Trafficante?
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[4008]Mr. Halley. I would have no way of knowing. I know who
[4009]Santos Trafficante is. .
[4011]Mr. Baron. How do you know this?
[4013]Mr. Halley. This is like asking me whether I knew where
[4015]‘7th Street is in downtown Miami. Santos Trafficante is a name
[4019]that constantly was discussed among Cuban exiles and he was a4
[4020]well-known figure. You could not possibly be involved-~
[4022]Mr. Baron. Did you know of any involvement that he had
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[4026]in Cuban operations that were connected in any way to the CIA? —
[4028]Mr. Halley. None that I know of. To the best of my
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[4056]Yecollection when I was in Miami, Santos Trafficante was in the
[4058]Tampa area and that is my recollection of it at the time.
[4060]I also think that there was some large scandal, when I was
[4061]in Miami, that was played up in the Press. I forget, some
[4063]Federal agent who was somehow involved with the Mafia and with
[4064]the Syndicate and there was gome* Linkage in the Press between
[4065]Santos Trafficante, Cubans and the Federal agent; .but I do not
[4066]remember the details of it.
[4067]_ Mr. Baron. * The Federal agent was not a CIA employee?
[4069]Mr. Malley. No, he was not. My recollection is he was
[4070]Narcotics or something. reo. a , : -
[4072]Mr. Baron. You would ‘make the same statement about John
[4073]Roselli that you had no knowledge of his connection with any
[4074]CIA sponsored operation against the Cuban government or against
[4075]Castro personally? .
[4077]Mr. Halley. At the time that I was there -- you know, I
[4078]want to caution you that I have read the Press. If I have
[4079]trouble sorting this out, I want you to understand that --
[4081]Mr. Baron. I understand that clearly.
[4083]Mr. Halley. -- that this is a dilemma for me. Obviously
[4084]I told you I made my own deduction that John, the one that
[4085]Harvey was in touch with, must have turned out in. the context of
[4086]20/15 hindsight to be John Roselli. At the time, I did not
[4087]know that.
[4089]Mr. Baron. What about Robert Maheu? Did you have any
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[4094]knowledge that he was involved with Cuban operations affiliated
[4096]with the CIA?
[4098]Mr. Halley. No.
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[4102]Again, at the time I had no knowledge of Robert Maheu. I
[4104]have since read about Robert Maheu in the Press, allegations:
[4106]and so forth. The name is familiar to me now.
[4108]Mr. Baron. The same question for Sam Giancana.
[4110]Mr. Halley. Again, I say in answer that at the time that
[4111]I was involved in '62 and '65 I did not know anything about
[4112]Sam Giancana. I have since read in the Press about hin.
[4113]Therefore, the name is familiar to me today.
[4115]Mr. Baron. Did you know at that time that Sheffield
[4116]Edwards, who was then Director of the Office of Security, was
[4117]connected in any way. with those efforts against Castro personall
[4118]or against the Castro government?
[4120]Mr. Halley. At that time, Shef Edwards was known to me
[4121]as Director of Security. That is all. I had: no knowledge of
[4122]his involvement in any activity against Fidel Castro ina
[4123]Personal sense.
[4125]Shef Edwards did help Security Officers assigned to my
[4127]staff in Miami. Therefore I would periodically go to him about
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[4131]the performance of his officers who were on my staff. So during
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[4137]him, yes, I did talk to him about Cuban affairs in Miami, the
[4139]performance of his officers on my staff, but nothing about anything
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[4159]that he might ba doing, you know, against Fidel Castro.
[4161]Mr. Baron. I will represent to you that we have testimony
[4162]from Edwards and from .Jim-O!Connalt who was an officer working
[4163]in the Office of Security under Edwards that they were involved
[4164]in the early stages of an assassination plot against Castro
[4165]which was run out of the Office Qt Security and later transferre
[4166]to the DDP. But you are saying that you had no knowledge of
[4167]any such operation at that time?
[4169]Mr. Halley. I had no knowledge. As I told you before, I
[4170]did not even know Jim O'Connell.
[4172]Mr. Baron. Do you know aman by the name of Juan Orta?
[4174]Mr. Halley. That. name is familiar tome. It isa name
[4176]that has appeared, you know, across my scope. I cannot tell
[4178]you why I am familiar with it. I would have to have a trace
[4180]run, .you know, and look at the results of the trace. But the
[4181]name Juan Orta is known to me. That does ring a passive bell
[4182]in my memory.
[4184]Mr. Baron. Do you remember William Harvey having any
[4185]direct contact with Juan Orta?
[4187]Mr. Halley. No, I do not.
[4189]Mr. Baron. You do not have any specific recollection of
[4190]Juan orta's point of involvement in operations. against Castro?
[4192]Mr. Halley. Juan Orta, no. It is a name I am familiar
[4193]with. I think you will find, you know, that there are a number
[4195]of names -- you asked me to look at that other thing -- a number
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[4221]of names that do ring bella with me.’ I really would hava to
[4222]have back~-up material to clarify why they ring a bell. This is
[4223]One that happens to ring a bell with mae, but I have no way of
[4224]linking it to anything, and certainly I do not link it in any
[4225]way in my memory to Mr. Harvey.
[4227]Mr. Baron. Do you remember ever hearing of a Cuban contact
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[4231]of William Harvey's who went by the name of Maceo?
[4233]Mr. Halley. No, I do not.
[4235]Mr. Baron. He also used the name of-Garcia Gomez -and °
[4236]the name Godoy?
[4238]Mr. Halley. The only name that rings any bell with me
[4239]in Cuban contacts is Arturo Godoy. Is this the same: man?
[4241]Mr. Baron. Wa do not have the first name of that alias.
[4243]In what connection.‘had you heard of Arturo Godoy?
[4245]Mr. Halley. My recollection is I've known Arturo Godoy
[4246]is that he was the fellow who was active in the Cuban immigre
[4247]community in Miami. That is all I can tell you at this point.
[4248]I would have to go back. .
[4250]Mr. Baron. You do not remember what group he was connected
[4254]Mr. Halley. No, I do not. But it was a name that
[4256]obviously, you know, frequently referred to in reports. ‘You
[4258]know at one time we did: monitor the Cuban community as to what
[4259]was going on in terms of these various groups and what they
[4261]had been doing. For some reason, Arturo Godoy rings a bell with
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[4270]Ma. .As I recall, ha was soma sort of an activist in soma
[4272]Cuban exile group. To give you a definitiva answer, you know, I
[4273]would have to get the nama, trace him, ‘hdve.‘a.run'on:this fellow
[4274]and try to: put it together in some kind of context, but that is
[4275]the only Godoy that rings any bells with ma.
[4277]Certainly in my relationship with Harvey, this has no
[4278]meaning to me. Godoy and Harvey just do not ring any bells.
[4280]Mr. Baron. One more name that wa already discussed, that
[4281]is Tony Varona.
[4283]Mr. Halley. Yes.
[4285]Mr. Baron. You said that you did know Tony Varona?
[4287]Mr. Halley. I know of Tony Varona, that he was leader of
[4288]the consejo, the revolutionary counsel that had been set up. to
[4289]sort of administer the Bay of Pigs operation. In the post
[4291]Bay of Pigs era, Nua Cardona and Tony Varona were people who
[4293]‘still appeared on the exile seene and were prominent. We had
[4295]some dealings with Nua Cardona, officers in the Station had
[4296]dealings with Nua Cardona and Tony. Varona to pay off, you know,
[4298]injuries to peopoe who had been suffered during the Bay of Pigs,
[4300]‘things like that, widows and so on. I know who he is and so
[4302]forth, the name is very familiar to me. I never personally met
[4303]with Tony Varona.
[4305]Mr. Baron. Were you aware that William Harvey had an
[4306]independent line of communication with Tony Varona?
[4308]Mr. Halley. No, I am not.
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[4333]Mr. Baron. Nouta it surprise you if that wera the case?
[4335]Mr. Halley. The Tony Varona thing would surprise me,
[4336]frankly. I think I would not ~- I would be surprised, yes.
[4338]Mr. Baron. Why is that?
[4340]Mr. Halley. Wall, because here is a case where the guy
[4341]was a prominent exile figure,. essentially residing in Miami, and
[4342]I knew of no contacts or had “no reasons to suspect any contacts
[4343]with this kind of an exile figure, though once it specifically
[4344]appeared, I was aware of and it was discussed. This was done
[4345]under FitzGerald's stewardship with the Task Force. I was
[4346]aware of that. I would be surprised if someone was in touch
[4347]with Tony Varona and I did not know about it. If you told me
[4348]that is what happsned, that is what Harvey has testified to,
[4350]I accept that. I am surprised by it.
[4352]Mr. Baron. What was the nature of the CIA relationship
[4353]to Artime?
[4355]Mr. Halley. Well, the Miami Station had no direct: relation
[4356]ship with him. . As to the nature of the project, you know Artime
[4358]ran'from the Agency, from other people who actually worked with
[4360]‘him on a first time basis.
[4364]Mr. Baron. Were you aware of a project called AMLASH?
[4366]Mr. Halley. Let me make sure we are talking about the same
[4367]thing.
[4368]. Mr. Baron. Off the tecord.
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[4375]Mr. Baron. We have just gone off the record to straighten,
[4377]out the fact that We are both talking about the same Cuban’ high
[4379]military officer who was known to the CIA by the eryptonym of
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[4383]AMLASH,
[4384]Correct me if I am wrong, Mr. Halley, that you and I agree
[4386]that we are referring to the same person that we have identified
[4388]off the record?
[4390]Mr. Halley. Yes, we have.
[4392]Mr. Baron. Were you aware of contacts between AMLASH-1,
[4393]as he was known, and Artime? ,
[4395]Mr. Halley.‘ think: at the time that this was going on, I
[4396]deo not know whether I eens I was not. -- I was aware that the
[4397]CIA was in touch with AMLASH. .
[4401]Mr. Baron. Did: you deal directly with the case officers
[4402]who yan AMLASH? ,
[4404]Mr. Halley. I did not. My recollection of this AMLASH
[4405]case is as follows. -At:some point in time; I-had.a conversation
[4406]with Desmond FitzGerald in Washington during one of my ‘periodic
[4407]visits to Washington from Miami. We discussed at that meeting
[4408]‘the nature of our approach to the military establishment in
[4410]Cuba. In the context of that conversation, Mr. FitzGerald asked
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[4416]one of these Cuban military personalities, and he subsequently
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[4422]identified to me the personality he was talking about was
[4424]AMLASH-1.
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[4458]My advice to him was that it would Probably not be a good
[4459]ldea for him to meet himy and the only thing that I could see
[4460]coming out of that kind of a contact would be that ha, Mr.
[4461]FitzGerald, would get a personal feel for what makes some of
[4462]these people tick, in human terms, and that that probably was
[4463]too high a price to pay for the prospect if anything went wrong,
[4464]an individual as prominent in Washington as, both within the
[4465]Agency and the social world in Washington, would be exposed tn
[4466]the Press. That would create a flap that I thought was not
[4467]worth what would be gained from that meeting.
[4469]Mr. Baron. Would this have been in the fall of 1963?
[4471]Mr. Halley. I have no recollection of the time.
[4473]Subsequent to that, Mr. FitzGerald told ma that he had
[4474]indaed met him and that he had had an interesting conversation
[4475]with him. I subsequently recall that this gentleman was met
[4476]in Spain at some point in time --
[4478]Mr. Baron. This gentleman being AMLASH-1?
[4480]Mr. Halley. This gentleman, being AMLASH-1, was met in
[4482]Spain. I also recall after having left the Cuban activity that
[4484]‘I read a Press article showing that he had been apprehended
[4486]and I remember reading the publicity of that particular
[4487]activity. It is also my recollection that we put in a cache
[4488]for him.
[4490]That is about the sum and substance of it.
[4492]Mr. Baron. Po you recall what the purpose of that cache
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[4498]Mr. Halley. It was a cache. I think that you could )>
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[4506]cache.
[4508]Mr. Baron. At the point that you were having these
[4509]conversations with Desmond FitzGerald, though, in the first
[4510]instance the prospect of his contact directly with AMLASH-1l,
[4511]in the second instance his reaction to his contact with AMLASH-1
[4512]do you recall FitzGerald mentioning to you the fact that
[4514]AMLASH had requested assurances that‘high ‘officials of the U.S.
[4516]government would stand behind him if he undertook operations on
[4520]behalf of the CIA?
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[4533]You know, I also want to say, as you probably know from
[4534]the record, I was later Chie€ of the WH Division from 1972 to
[4535]1973, and I did read some of the files. I am familiar with
[4536]the case. But at the time ~- I am trying to be schizophrenic,
[4537]you know, to put this in the time sequence in which we are
[4539]-talking about. My recollection of that is that I did not know
[4540]that.
[4542]Mr. Baron. It would then be your testimony that Mr.
[4543]FitzGerald never broached with you the subject of making a
[4545]representation to AMLASH-1 that Rohart Kennedy or other high
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[4549]officials of the U.S. government would stand behind him?
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[4574]Mr. Halley. I do not recall that kind of & conversation
[4575]taking place with FitzGerald in this timeframe that we are
[4576]talking about.
[4578]Mr. Baron. Do you recall any such conversation at any
[4579]point?
[4581]Mr. Halley. No, I do not, in the timeframe that we are
[4582]talking about.
[4584]Mr. Baron. When I say at any point,. I mean at any point.
[4585]since 1962.
[4587]Mr. Halley. Well, you know, in tha period 1972-73, I did
[4588]look at some of. the. files, I did read some of the files. I am
[4589]familiar that such conversations took place and that there
[4590]were a series of msetings. You know, I know who the case
[4591]officer was and so forth.
[4593]. Mr. Baron. You never discussed the subject directly with
[4594]FitzGerald?
[4596]Mr. Halley. With FitzGerald, no. I can only say that my
[4597]knowledge of that is secondhand from having subsequently read
[4598]the files.
[4600]Mr. Baron. Was it your impression at that time that one
[4601]of the objectives of the contact with AMLASH-1 was the assassina
[4602]tion of Fidel Castro or other high Cuban leaders?
[4604]Mr. Halley. No. I never had the impression that assassina
[4605]tion was a thrust of the activity. In othsr words, we were
[4606]working across-the-board, both in the context that Dasmond
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[4618]FitzGerale and his staff ware working on what I was doing in
[4619]Miami to try to establish: contacts with the Cuban military.
[4620]In other words, we saw this as a multi-faceted approach. First,
[4621]we wanted penetrations of the Cuban military so that we could
[4622]collect intelligence. What were their strengths, weaknesses,
[4623]what was their mood, whare were things going? Secondly, we
[4624]wanted from these sources operational intelligence. Who -- in
[4625]other words, who in these groups were dissatisfied as Fidel
[4626]consolidated. Who could provide leadership for a counter-
[4627]movement against Fidel?
[4629]We were looking for people, once we had identified them,
[4630]to see if we could establish contacts with any of these leaders
[4631]so We could see whether there was a basis for working toward
[4632]an overthrow of the Castro government. “You know, those were
[4633]the basic steps.
[4635]Now as you got down to talking about how you overthrow
[4637]Castro, obviously the question comes in of how does a‘group who
[4639]Wants to run a coup or take power take power, and obviously
[4641]one of the things that has to be looked at is where does the
[4643]control of the various units. So our discussions were all in
[4644]that context.
[4646]Mr. Baron. Would it have surprised you or would it
[4647]surprise you now to learn that at least part of the contact
[4649]with AMLASH would have involved Planning for an assassination
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[4674]Mr. Halley. I-certainly was not aware of that at the
[4675]time, as I recall from, you know, looking at the files in the
[4676]'72-'73 period, seeing any avidence of that in the file at the
[4677]time.
[4679]Mr. Baron. There are fourteen folders in the AMLASH file.
[4680]Did you read all of those files?
[4682]Mr. Halley. No, I did not.
[4684]Mr. Baron. How did you gather your impression that that
[4685]was in the AMLASH files?
[4687]Mr. Halley. I think I may have read one or two volumes
[4688]of whatever my question was at the time, because these cases
[4689]keep coming up. You know, there must have been some inquiry
[4690]‘at the time that necessitated my looking at the folder or
[4691]discussing it with my staff and so on.
[4693]Mr. Baron. As far as you knew, what was the.objective of
[4694]the contact with Artime?
[4696]Mr. Halley. You mean the CIA contact with Artime?
[4698]Mr. Baron. Yes, . -_ 3
[4700]Mr. Halley. Asa concept, the Artime thing was looked at
[4701]as another track, an approach to the overall Cuban problem to
[4702]see if they could sort of do’ it on their own. If they could
[4703]simply be given, you know, X number of dollars, some equipment,
[4704]some guidance, and give them an opportunity to find a Cuban
[4706]solution to what was a Cuban problem. That was also, you know,
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[4734]and if you have not, you should talk to the peopla who ran the
[4735]Artime operation,.when this was set up, I think I partiéipated
[4736]in giving Artime some tutorial training for a couple of weeks
[4737]when this operation was first established in order to familiariz
[4738]him with some of the problems of trying -to manage a large
[4739]operation against Cuba because he had been out of things for a
[4740]couple of years.
[4742]Mr. Baron. Were you aware that. he had been supplied a
[4743]weapon which we already agreed could be characterized as an
[4744]assassination weapon?
[4746]Mr. Halley. You say "we." You and 1?
[4748]Mr. Baron. Yes.
[4750]'Mr. Halley. Which weapon was that?
[4752]Mr. Baron. A high-powered rifle with long-range and low
[4753]muzzle velocity.
[4755]Mr. Halley. I am aware of the fact of this project that
[4756]Artime was involved in that he got a number of weapons, any
[4757]number of which could have.been used for sniper type activities.
[4758]I am aware of the fact that he had a base in Nicaraqua to
[4759]‘haveractivities, so I would find it hard to sinqle out a weapon.
[4760]My recollection of that that he was given a large number of
[4761]weapons. .
[4763]Mr. Baron. Was one of Artime's objectives to have been
[4764]to assassinate Fidel Castro?
[4766]Mr. Halley. Not that I am aware of.
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[4775]Mr. Baron. Did you ever hear any discussion to the
[4776]effect that the Agency was attempting to achieva through Artime
[4777]indirectly. what they did not want to achlave directly ina
[4778]fashion that would be attributed to the CIA, namely the
[4779]assassination of Castro?
[4781]Mr. Halley. I think that you have tied two issues together
[4782]there and I do not think I can answer. the question that way.
[4783]I would like to separate the question into two parts.
[4785]Mr. Baron. Go ahead.
[4787]Mr. Halley. The first part, as I mentioned to you earlier
[4789]the CIA did establish a. relationship with Artime and he was
[4790]given funds and other support to run his approach to solving
[4792]the Cuban problem. He was one of two such activities that ware
[4793]run at the time. And therefore I think that your statement is
[4794]correct that perhaps he was set up so that there could be no
[4795]direct attribution in his activities to the United States,
[4796]because he set up a base in Nicaragua, and the story as I recall
[4798]it was put out that he was receiving assistance from the
[4800]/ Nicaraguan government, and therefore there was a part of the
[4802]“whole cover story, if you will, for him.
[4804]So, yes, there was an attempt to set him up as a parallel
[4805]track or a separate track. That does not follow from that, in
[4806]my perspective, that was geared towards an assassination
[4807]operation, because that was a fantastically large operation
[4809]involving lots of people, you know, with substantial amounts of
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[4829]Money. I was opposed to it at the time. And once it was set
[4830]up, and I did what I was supposed to do, which was to train
[4831]Artime and contribute to his training, I then did not pay an
[4832]awful lot of.attention to the thing except what I picked up,
[4834]you know, over the years, and. again in the '72-'73 period, -
[4836]‘and talked to officers who had, you know, more intimate knowledg
[4840]of it and got an appraisal of it as to what they thought had
[4841]occurred. .
[4843]Mr. Baron. Had you heard at any point that Artime was
[4844]supplied weapons for the specific purpose of assassinating
[4845]Castro?
[4847]Mr. Halley. No, not for the specific purpose of assassina-
[4848]ting Castro.
[4850]Mr. Baron. Was it your general impression that AMLASH~1
[4851]was a reliable agent?
[4853]Mr. Halley. “y really’ do not know that much about him,
[4854]you know. This was an operation that was run at that time out
[4855]of Washington and, you know, my knowledge was as I described it
[4857]to you, the conversations with FitzGerald, Madrid, newspaper
[4859]-articles, so forth, in that particular timeframe.
[4861]Mr. Baron. Did the CIA to your knowledge use any gambling ©
[4862]Syndicate contacts inside Cuba or people outside Cuba who were
[4863]connected to gambling interests inside Cuba for any operational
[4864]purpose including the intelligence gathering?
[4866]Mr. Halley. Tha only case that I recall is this case that
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[4893]individual whose name I cannot remember who had been involved
[4894]with one of the gambling houses in Cuba who came to us ‘with
[4895]leads to Soviets from a missila site who wanted to defect.
[4896]That is the only case that I know of. I cannot think of ‘the
[4898]man's name. I can give you a physical description of him, and
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[4902]so forth. I honestly cannot think of his name.
[4904]‘Mr. Baron. You are not aware of any other use of people
[4905]with gambling interests in Cuba for intelligence gathering?
[4907]Mr. Halley. ‘Not that I am aware of. If you have something
[4908]specific that you want to pursue, if you can give me some otherr
[4909]clue than that, I just do not, out of my past memory, I simply
[4910]do not recall any other case but that one.
[4912]Mr. Baron. Are: you aware of any contact between the CIA
[4913]and Meyer Lansky?
[4915]Mr. Halley. No, I am not aware of any contact between the
[4916]CIA and Meyer Lansky.
[4918]Mr. Baron. Was Howard Hunt connected with any Cuban
[4919]Operations during the period of your tenure at JMWAVE Station?
[4921]Mr. Halley. Howard Hunt was involved in the Bay of Pigs
[4922]Operation. After the Bay of Pigs Operation wss over, he did not
[4923]participate in the Cuban activities that I was aware of. You
[4924]may know something that I do not.know, because, you know, you
[4925]have asked me a couple of questions here of thinas that I am
[4927]not aware of. You may know something «that I do not, but
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[4936]was in Miami,
[4938]Mr. Baron. Have you ever heard the phrase Executive
[4939]Action?
[4941]Mr. Halley. Yes.
[4943]Mr. Baron. What does that signify to you?
[4945]Mr. Halley. Well, Executive Action is some sort of a
[4946]euphemism -- to eliminate somebody, I guess is how it appears
[4947]in the popular jargon. .
[4949]Mr. Baron. Did you hear it in the Agency?
[4951]Mr. Halley. No, I think that this is a term that has been
[4952]bandied about in the Press that has come about in the Press to
[4953]ba synonymous with killing somebody or something like that.
[4955]Mr. Baron. It is not, as far as you know, a euphemism in
[4956]common usage within the Agency?
[4958]Mr. Halley. No.
[4960]Mx. Baron. Had you ever heard of the ZRRIFLE Project run
[4961]by William Harvey?
[4963]Mr. Halley. No, I do not know what it is.
[4965]Mr. Baron. Have you ever heard of --
[4967]Mr. Halley. I want_to maks sure here that I am accurate,
[4968]you know. You are asking me Z2RFIFLE. That is a cryptonym for
[4969]something.
[4971]Mr. Baron. Let me explain further.
[4973]Mr. Halley. I want to sort of say, in the last thirteen
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[5002]Mr. Halley. Let me go back. You asked me about ZRRIFLE.
[5003]This is one of a thousand or hundreds of cryptonyms. Every day
[5004]I read, you know, hundreds of pages of traffic, so when you ask
[5005]me do I know what ZRRIFLE is, I must answer you off the top of
[5006]my head no. I have tried to be helpful. I have asked you
[5007]Several times if you could give me a steering tip or show me
[5008]what direction you are going, I might be able to try to comment
[5009]on it, but ZRRIFLE as such means nothing to me. You really
[5010]could not expect that it would, given the thousands of these
[5011]things that come across my dask,.
[5013]Mr. Baron. That is absolutely understandable. I want to
[5014]try to see what happens in the way of getting an unrefreshed
[5015]recollection from you, then XI will go back over these two,
[5016]especially the next one, QJWIN. Do you recall a CIA asset who
[5017]Went by the cryptonym QJWIN?
[5019]Mr. Halley. No, I do not. Knowing the system, and so
[5021]forth, normally it would have something to do with Spain. It
[5023]‘does not ring any bslls with me. That is all I can give you,
[5025]a sort of Pavlovian response. You flash QJWIN on the screen,
[5026]I am telling you now {£ do not know, but it probably has
[5027]something to do with Spain.
[5029]Mr. Baron. Were you aware that a project involving the
[5031]development of a capability of carrying on assassination was
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[5036]run by William liarvay?
[5037]Mr. Halley. To deWelop the capability to carry on the
[5039]assassination?
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[5043]Mr. Baron. Yas.
[5045]Mr. Halley. No. I have no knowledge of Harvey being
[5046]focused on a project or-given the capability of carrying one
[5047]out. ° .
[5049]Mr. Baron. Harvey has testified, as has Richard Bissell,
[5050]I will represent to you, that instruction was given by Bissell
[5051]to Harvey to set up, to develop such a capability in early 1961
[5053]and that Harvey took steps to develop such a capability in
[5055]coordination with an asset in New York named QJWIN and I think
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[5080]deeds. . .
[5082]Mr. diGenova. It should be emphasized that the Executive
[5083]Action Plan that you are referring to has had as its goal the
[5084]incapacitation of foreign leaders, one possibility of
[5086]-incapacitation being the ultimate weapon, assassination. It
[5088]was just not assasSination. It was a spectrum of activities
[5089]that could be used to incapacitate a foreign leadar anywhere
[5090]from illness, chemical warfare, and then including death.
[5092]Correct me if I am wrong, but it was not just assassination.
[5094]Mr. Baron. Noes that ring any bells?
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[5119]Mr. Halley. No, it does not. .
[5120]Mr. Baron. Do you have any recollection that the ZRRIFLF
[5121]Project involving the development of an Executive Action”
[5122]capability would have been tied in in any way to an operation
[5123]against Cuba?
[5124]Mr. Halley. No, that’ does nat ring any bells, none what-
[5125]soever.
[5126]Mr. Baron. I would like to introduce as Halley Exhibit
[5127]3 an article from Iarper's Magazine entitled “The Kennedy
[5128]Vendetta," subtitled “How the CIA Waged a Silent War Against
[5129]Cuba," written by Taylor Branch and George Crile III.
[5130]Let me show you this article and let me ask you whether
[5131]you have read it?
[5132]Mr. Halley. Yes, I have read the article.
[5133](The document referred
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[5152]Mr. Baron. Let us pick out some specifics and discuss
[5154]them briefly here.
[5156]Near the beginning of this article, it mentions that JMWAVE
[5157]Station operated within an annual budget of well in excess of
[5158]$50 million.
[5160]Would that be accurate to you?
[5162]Mr. Halley. .I do not recall whether that is an accurate
[5163]figure. We would have to go back to the records. You know, as
[5164]I explained to you earlier, the start of the operation taking
[5165]place in March and escalatéd:up, to a high! point! and.then
[5166]dropped off. In the budgetary cycle, we are dealing with a
[5167]mass of figures, and I would not want to give you an inaccurate
[5168]answer. That is something that could be researched -- we have
[5169]the files -- rather than speculate for youon the buildup and
[5170]. reduction in the operation. I do not feel that is usefuly
[5172]Mr. Baron. As a ballpark figure, would you be able to
[5173]place the annual budget of the Station in the neighborhood
[5174]of tens of millions of dollars?
[5176]Mr. Halley. No, I would not, because of this transition,
[5178]‘you know, period, the costs were very high in the beginning to
[5180]get a start-up operation, brought to a certain peak, and then
[5181]tapered off and starting to be peeled back. I would not want
[5182]to draw a figure of --
[5184]Mr. diGenova. What would the start-up cost?
[5186]Mr. Halley. In terms of what they involved or dollars?
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[5207]Mr. diGenova. Dollars.
[5209]Mr, Halley. I have no recollection of the dollars.
[5211]Mr. Baron. Would you say that $50 million would be in the
[5212]right ballpark for your activities at the peak?
[5214]Mr. Halley. I just have no recollection of the dollar
[5215]figure. You might want:.to get that figure when you can retrieve
[5216]it in the files. It is available.
[5218]Mr. Baron. Were the operations of JMWAVE coordinated with
[5219]other Latin American CIA Station's, as the article indicates
[5220]here?
[5222]Mr. Halley. I think my recollection of that phase is that
[5223]Cuban activities with other Latin American’ stations were
[5224]coordinated with JMWAVE. .
[5226]Mr. Baron. Coordinated with JMWAVE?
[5228]Halley. With JMWAVE,
[5230]Baron. Who had the central coordinating responsibitity}
[5231]Halley. Washington.
[5233]Baron.. Was that. delegated by Washington to you? |
[5235]Halley. No. Essentially Washington had the overall
[5237]Let me say that we would become aware in our activities in
[5238]Miami that a number of interesting people had come in on a
[5239]flight to Mexico City. We would sand a cable down to Mexico
[5241]City with an information copy to Washington, outlining who we
[5243]were interested in, and I would probably send somebody down to
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[5248]Mexico to look at the particular Cuban or the operational
[5250]opportunity in conjunction with the Station Chief in Mexico
[5252]City. So wa were in some cases a clearinghouse.
[5254]The final coordination authority restad in. Washington.
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[5258]will say that if Miami wanted to-do something and for local
[5259]political reasons in Mexico thé Mexican Station Chief did not
[5260]want to do it, that would be adjudicated, not by Miami, but by
[5261]Washington.
[5263]Mr. Baron. Let me quote you & passage here and see if it
[5264]comperts with our discussions earlier of Special arrangements
[5265]you may have, the JMWAVE Station may have had, with law enforce-
[5266]Ment authorities in Florida.
[5268]The article says: "All the boat missions to Cuba were tech
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[5285]Special acrangements with Customs, Immigration and the Coast
[5286]Guard."
[5288]Is that generally accurate?
[5290]Mr. Halley. I think, as I described to you before, there
[5291]‘was coordination with the Coast Guard in terms of vessel
[5292]departures. The other is Immigration?
[5294]Mr. Baron. Customs, Immigration and Coast Guard.
[5296]Mc. Halley. Immigration, there would not have been
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[5300]coordination on a particular, you know, boat dispatch. On the
[5302]Other hand, let's say if a mission aborted for some reason and
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[5307]a small boat could not recover its position and gat back to the
[5308]mother ship to be picked up and it was: adrift or cama in to one
[5310]of the islands or came in to the Florida coast anywhere and was
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[5314]Picked up and picked up by Immigration inspectors, then they
[5315]would ask to have their case referred to a particular individual
[5316]It may have been a code number, a color code, it May have been
[5317]Phrase. But then Immigration would get in touch with us and say
[5318]we have this group, here is what they say, what is your interest
[5319]in this particular group, and then that would ba adjudicated
[5320]at that point, .
[5322]Now the third group was Customs. Customs did hava a
[5324]number of patrols and at times when boat loadings were conducted
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[5342]Agency was doing.
[5344]Mr. Baron. The article continues to say: "It was illegal
[5345]for agents to travel around with machine guns and Plastic
[5346]explosives in the cars, as they often did. The Station had to
[5348]‘establish liaison with seventeen police jurisdictions along
[5349]the Florida coast and into the Keys. The result was that
[5350]“any agent who was arrested for anything from drunken driving to
[5352]illegal possession of firearms would be quickly released."
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[5356]Is that accurate?
[5358]Mr. Halley. I commented on that before, and we are on the
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[5373]record on that as saying that wa did not ‘drive around, thera
[5374]were:no vehicles moving, manned by thase Cubans with arms and
[5375]weapons on them.
[5377]In other words, you are coming back to the same point,
[5378]becaussa as ‘I explained to you, the weapons were only given to
[5379]them on the vessel and taken back from them when they came back
[5380]from a mission, so that the statement is not actually correct.
[5382]Mr. Baron. What about the end of that passage where they
[5384]say that the result, and I understand that you would disagree
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[5387]as to whether it was a result of this kind of a practice which
[5389]-you say was not carried on at all.--
[5391]Mr. Halley. It was not.
[5393]Mr, Baron. Did a situation exist where any agent who was
[5394]arrested for anything from dxunken driving to illegal possession
[5395]of firearms would be quickly released.
[5397]Mr. lalley. I have to go back and divide your question
[5398]into two parts. There were no firearms --
[5400]Mr. Baron. I am not. saying firearms supplied to them by
[5402]the CIA for a CIA mission or any agent travelling down the
[5404]‘street in Miami who happened to have a Saturday Night Special
[5406]in his car or who happened to be drunk while driving. Would
[5407]such a person be released right away or once the CIA connection
[5408]surfaced?
[5410]Mr. Halley. My answer to that is no. In other words, if
[5412]he had a Saturday Night Special and was picked up by the police
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[5436]and detained, and if he then asked to be in contact with us,
[5438]the case would be looked at at that particular point and if he
[5440]had a Saturday Night Special, you know, there would not be any
[5442]intervention on his behalf because it had nothing to do with
[5443]his task on the behalf of CIA,
[5445]I did mention to you earlier ye had training camps in variou
[5446]parts of the State. If somebody came out of the training camp
[5447]and did get drunk and was picked up and did not speak English
[5448]or something and the police jurisdictions did have a way of
[5449]getting in touch with us and we might intervene on a case of
[5450]disorderly conduct. | .
[5452]Mr. diGenova. How was that established, the relationship of
[5453]liaison with these jurisdictions. Had it been set up with
[5455]JMWAVE directly through Washington and down through the FBI?
[5457]How had that been done?
[5459]Mr. Halley. It varied. When we started expanding the
[5460]Operation, you know, there had already been a Station there
[5461]and there also were two security units in the greater Miami
[5463]area. In some cases the existing contacts at the Station were
[5465]security of personnel who had established contact with other
[5466]jurisdictions were used to effect the introduction. In some
[5467]cases, we had our security people who were on my staff go out
[5468]to these jurisdictions ard identify themselves simply with a
[5470]badge and a name and discuss the kinds of things that they were
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[5475]interested in so that there would not be a cross of‘ problems
[5476]with these jurisdictions and therefore a Tiaison was opened on
[5478]that basis, a multiplicity of approaches.
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[5482]Mr. Baron. The articls discusses the fact that regular
[5484]commando raids were run out of JMWAVE Station to the shore of
[5486]Cuba, and that those commandog-were equipped with.all kinds of
[5487]explosives and armaments.
[5489]Is that generally a fair statement, that we were running on
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[5493]a regular basis commando raids to Cuba?
[5494]Mr. Halley. Yes. There were a series of commando raids
[5496]run from the Miami Station against targets in Cuba.
[5498]Mr. Baron. Were assassination weapons, that is, high-powerbd
[5499]rifles with low muzzle velocity and telescopic sights, supplied
[5501]to those commando teams as a matter of course?
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[5514]Mr. Halley. .No, they were not. For most of those
[5515]commando teams, you were looking for a different kind of a
[5516]weapon. You are looking for a weapon with a high range of fire
[5517]power over a short distance to deal with an emergency situation
[5518]rather than the kind of, you know, weapon that we are talking
[5519]“about.
[5521]In other words, you would find that type of a group armed
[5522]with a submachine gun, as for example. .
[5524]Mr. Baron. If an assasSination weapon as we have
[5526]described it was supplied to a commando team, they would
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[5537]Mr. Halley. Yes.
[5538]Also, again, all of theSe waapons were controlled, the
[5540]weapons that were issued at the time of the mission on the
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[5544]mother ship and picked up on the team's return to the mother
[5545]ship, so there was accountability for the weapons.
[5547]Mr. Baron. ‘Would it have been unusual to supply what we
[5548]have called an assassination weapon to a commando team?
[5550]Mr. Halley. Well, that depends on the mission: For
[5551]instance, let me use an example.
[5553]Most of the missions that were run were run aqainst targets
[5555]jthat were in fairly close proximity to the shore. If you are
[5559]going to put a party to attack your objectives, let us say the
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[5565]objective was a petroleum storage tank, if you were going to do
[5567]this by putting charges up against the petroleum storage tank
[5571]that meant that you had to have a group infiltrate close
[5573]6nough to put the charges on the tank. Some distance away
[5574]from them you would give them a second element of the commando
[5575]team which would be providing covering fire for this group in
[5576]case they got into trouble and cannot handle it on the ground.
[5577]“This covering fire group might have had a light machine gun,
[5579]a Belgian weapon. They could have thsse kinds of weapons and
[5580]they did have these kinds of weapons which in the definition you
[5581]are using could be used as a Sniper weapon or whatever, but the
[5583]basic reason for having that weapon was.to provide fire support
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[5592]this mission was over and they returned, those weapons wére
[5593]taken back from them and accounted for. They wera shaken down
[5595]so that we did not have weapons disappearing out of our
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[5599]control.
[5601]Mr. Baron. Such weapons, high-powered rifles with telescopic
[5602]scopes, conceivably with silencers, were Supplied with some
[5603]regularity, but they were kept under tight control?
[5605]Mr. Halley. We had high-powered rifles. I cannot think no
[5606]of a case where thera was a sniper scope attached to the rifle.
[5608]I can think of no case where there was a silencer attached to
[5610]a rifle in any of these commando raids. There were a number of
[5612]raids conducted, some of them involved teams of fifteen or
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[5620]but I do. not recall one. You know, if you gave me an inventory
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[5628]is the Operation plan, does this list of equipment fifteen years
[5630]later look reasonable to you, I would be able to tell you yes
[5632]or no. . But off the top of my head, I do not recall a sniper
[5634]scope or a silenced rifle.
[5636]Mr. Baron. Do you know a man by the name of Rolando
[5638]Martinez?
[5639]"oMr. Halley. Of Watergate involvement?
[5640]Mr. Baron. Yes.
[5642]Mr. Walley. Yes, I know of him. I have never met him
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[5655]infiltration team. He was a UDT man.
[5657]Mr. Baron. In the Harper's article, {t says that Martinez
[5658]indicated that "More than onca he was given personal charge of
[5659]weapons drops in which special rifles with silencers and tele-
[5660]scopic sights were left in designated inland spots.”
[5662]Do you know of a factual basis for that statement?
[5664]Mr. Halley. Martinez is undoubtedly factually correct when
[5665]he says he put caches on the ‘coast ofCuha that contained weapons
[5666]I do not Know how he would be abla to tell what kind of weapons
[5667]were in the cache. The reagon I say that is that when one of
[5668]these missions were planned, the cache was put together and
[5669]packed by our logistics group and once the cache was put
[5671]together it was brought on board the vessel and the cache was
[5673]then turned over to the team for infiltration so he would never
[5675]have seen the contents of the cache, he would not have opened
[5676]it up because it was always in a sealed container.
[5677]It is conceivable that in the pre-mission briefing that
[5679]he got hefore he went down that he was told that we are putting
[5681]din a cache containing a radio or putting in a cache containing
[5683]“weapons because that would influence what he selected as a
[5685]cache type. In other words, if it were a radio, we would want
[5686]it higher and drier than we would a can containing weapons that
[5687]were wraped in cosmolene and so forth. He might know that they
[5688]were Weapons, but he wouldn't know that they were silenced
[5690]and they had a scope. I must honestly say to you I doubt that.
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[5695]Mr. Baron. Did you know of any weapons drops that were
[5696]made for the purpose of supplying someone insida Cuba with a
[5698]weapon for the assassination of Fidel Castro?
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[5702]Mr. Halley. No, not for that clearly stated purpose. As
[5704]I told you, we put a lot of weapons caches in. The weapons were
[5706]multi-purpose weapons, could be used. I know of no cache that
[5708]went in specifically for the task of playing a contributory role
[5709]to assassinating Fidel Castro.
[5711]Mr. Baron. It would not have been contrary to the policy
[5712]directives under which you were operating at the time to
[5713]supply such a weapon to someone inside Cuba who might have
[5714]access to Castro?
[5716]Mr. Halley. No, it would not have been. For instance,
[5718]I can remember several resistance.groups thdat‘we had that had two or
[5719]three hundred men that we were supplying on a regular basis.
[5721]Mr. diGenova. Inside Cuba?
[5723]Mr. Halley. Inside Cuba, that were essentially living in
[5724]the bush to a large extent, whom we did supply weapons to and
[5725]got ammunition to them and so forth. And that was why I was
[5726]‘very careful when you mentioned this linkage before to saying
[5727]that I could not be a guarantor as to what these men would do
[5728]with these weapons once they got their hands on then. They
[5729]were free agents.
[5731]Mr. diGanova. This is an interesting point. This has
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[5740]what you have said is a concern of not only yourself in terms of
[5741]realizing that it was a possibility but: of -padple’lika Dean
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[5747]once thes# agents are in another country and are supplied that
[5749]there is little if anything we can do to control those weapons
[5750]after they receive them. It would be safa to say that that, of
[5751]course, was understood that thare was a lack of control, and
[5753]to the extent that it was a prohlem, it existed and had to be
[5754]tolerated because of the nature of the operation, would that
[5756]be correct?
[5758]Mr. Halley. I do not know whether I want to phrase it
[5760]exactly as you have in terms of this lack of control. Our
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[5778]The: second task was to organize a resistance which would
[5779]take armed action if we ever got a total package put together
[5780]that jave us an opportunity -- that was the first and secondary
[5781]missions. Once we issued the weapons to the team leader, if
[5783]“you will, he had freedom to recruit from among the peasants
[5785]anybody he wanted to. If he gave the peasant a weapon, there
[5787]was no guarantee either by the team leader or by us that that
[5788]peasant would not do something that we did not want him to do,
[5790]To even shoot a militiaman, yOu could have an argument, you
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[5808]Mr. diGenova. Ware there any rastrictions, once, for
[5810]example, those weapons caches were delivered either by land or
[5811]air -- and we have spoken to Mr. Murray who was in the Havana
[5813]Station, for example, for awhile and Arthur Avignon:who
[5815]was hsad of the Havana Station for awhile who indicated that
[5817]they were aware of the weapons drops and,were intimately
[5819]familiar with where they would be.
[5821]Mr. Halley. That wus all before my time. I havea no
[5822]knowledge of that. During my time, we mada no drops by air.
[5823]Mr. diGenova. Wera there any limitations that were
[5824]placed of how the weapons would be used that were delivered into
[5826]Cuba to these internal resistance groups?
[5828]Mr. Halley. I cannot speak to this period that you are
[5829]addressing.
[5831]Mr. diGenova. During your period.
[5833]Mr. Halley. During my period, ths weapons were issued
[5834]essentially as self-protection for the people who were living
[5835]in the bush. Secondly, to be used in a military operation at
[5837]such time as we got the whole package together. Thirdly, they
[5839]‘were to be used for self-protection if they conducted reids,
[5841]ambushes, sabotage operations.
[5843]Mr. Baron. There is one further quote from Martinez in
[5844]this article that I would like to ask you to comment on.
[5845]He iS quoted as saying: "I took a lot of weapons to Cuba, some
[5847]of them were very special weapons for special purposes. They
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[5852]were powerful rifles with sophisticated scopes, Springfialds
[5853]with bolt action, rifles only used by snipers. They were not
[5855]sent to shoot pigeons or to kill rabbits. Everyone in the
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[5859]Underground was plotting to kill Castro and the CIA was helping
[5861]the Underground. I was with the Underground as well as the CIA,
[5863]so you can see I was involved in. the plots too, but that is
[5864]also obvious."
[5866]You commented before that. there was a lot of talk in the
[5867]air about assassinating Castro. Martinez seems to be taking
[5869]that a few steps further, saying that there wera actual plots
[5871]underway in the Cuban Underground to assassinate Castro and
[5873]that people who worked with the CIA were aware of those plots
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[5892]Is that an accurate statement?
[5893]Mr. Halley. No, I do not think I can go along with that
[5895]statement. Martinez’ role as I described it to you, he is |
[5897]accurate when he says that weapons were put -in-and that
[5899]he participated in putting them in. ‘I again question how he
[5900]‘would know what was in each cache. I just do not see that, and
[5901]I would have to accept that as a sort of secondhand statement
[5902]by him because of the way that the caches were put together.
[5904]I just do not see his knowing that.
[5906]Now I don't want to exclude, however, that any particular
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[5915]Springfields did go in.
[5916]Mr. diGenova. Could he have found out about this after
[5918]the fact from people that he knew in Cuba, mambers of the
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[5922]resistance in Cuba that he knew of who would have told him the
[5923]nature of the items that they would have received in a cache
[5924]delivery? Would that be one way that he could have found out?
[5925]Was he that intimately involved, to your knowledge?
[5927]Mr. Halley. He was not at the time. This is the period
[5928]that I am familiar with, '62-'65. I do not know. Maybe some
[5929]of these people have come out since then, and mabe he has
[5930]talked to people who have come out in '68, '69, things like that
[5931]I cannot exclude that.
[5933]At the time, I da not think, however, he would have had
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[5946]with that statement and I cannot identify with it.
[5947]Mr. Baron. The Harper's article says: "By the end of
[5949]1961, several men affiliated with the CIA had already been
[5951]foiled in attempts to kill him" -- meaning Castro -~- "among
[5952]them, Luis Toroella, executed; Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo, still in
[5953]‘prison; William Morgan, executed; and Antonio Veciana, escaped
[5955]to the United Statas. Had these men succeeded, their efforts
[5957]would have been tied to the U.S. only indirectly, if at all."
[5958]Let me show you the passage I am reading from and ask
[5960]you whether you have any knowledge of the ccnnection of any of
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[5988]Mr. Halley. No, there is no connection that I know of
[5989]between these names and CIA, This guy Luis Toroella does not
[5990]ring any bells witn me. Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo was a leader of
[5991]Alpha 66. He may have been in Cuba in '61. During the time
[5993]that I was involved in Cuban affairs he was in exile for -- he
[5995].
[5997]was in Miami for -a long period of time.
[5999]Mr. Baron. Can you explain what Alpha 66 is for the
[6000]record?
[6002]Mr. Halley. Alpha 66 was a Cuban exile organization that
[6003]was engaged in a number of raids against the Cuban government.
[6004]They claimed to have attacked Cuban shipping, fishing boats, and
[6005]claimed to have an organization in Cuba that was a resistance
[6006]organization. Gutierrez Menoyo was therefore a well-known name
[6007]to me. We had no direct contact with him,
[6009]William Morgan is also a well-known name. His activities
[6010]and exploits in Cuba are well-known to anybody that has dealt
[6011]with Cuban affairs.
[6013]Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of a connection
[6015]‘between any of these people and assassination attempts against
[6017]Fidel Castro?
[6019]Mr. Halley. I have none, no connection between these names
[6020]and CIA and attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro.
[6021]Mr. Baron. The fact that they ars Listed here as having
[6023]been involved in assassination attempts whether or not they
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[6046]Mr. Halley. Well, no, I would not Say that. If you had
[6047]Gutierrez Menoyo sitting here and if he ware to say in 1962 I
[6048]attempted to shoot Fidel Castro, that is Gutierrez Menoyo did
[6049]this, I would have no reason to doubt. I would have no basis
[6050]for proving it, either.
[6052]Mr. Baron. You have naver heard of these alleged assassina47
[6053]tion attempts before?
[6055]Mr. Halley. No.
[6057]Morgan's name I would have to do a file trace to get myself
[6058]back up to date. Morgan did gat himself in trouble with Fidel
[6059]over some issue,, aS I recall was in prison. I do not recall,
[6060]remember if he was executed, although this says he was executed.
[6062]Mr. Baron. What about the last nama on the list,
[6064]Antonio Veciana?
[6065]Mr. Halley. “That. is a name that rings a bell with me, but
[6067]I do not attach anything to it. In other words, it is a name
[6069]T have probably read in various and sundry kinds of reports.
[6070]I remumber no-operational relationship with him between the Miam
[6071]Station and this man during my tenure in Miami.
[6073]Mr. Baron. During your tenure, would you have been in a
[6074]position to know that .these people had led assassination
[6075]attempts against Castro, if that were indeed the fact?
[6077]Mr. Halley. Not necessarily. IT would say that the odds
[6079]would have been high that we would have, particularly, say
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[6084]Gutierrez Menoyo. We did have a steady stream of raporting on-
[6085]the activities of all axile groups and Alph= 66 was high on the
[6087]list of groups that had a capability of doing this kind of
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[6092]us, from the FBI, from Customs, and others.
[6093]They were on everybody's sort* of watch list.
[6095]Mr. Baron. Let us tur now to a document that we will
[6097]introduce as Exhibit 4, which is a report by Fidel Castro on
[6098]alleged attempts to assassinate him that he connects to the
[6099]United States government and especially to the CIA.
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[6130]familiar to me. I do not know whether that was from the
[6132]Mr. Baron. Which was released recently by Gsorge McGovern,
[6133]to whom Castro had sent this report.
[6135]Mr. Halley, is it true that I had asked you to review this
[6136]report before we began our session today?
[6138]Mr. Halley. Yes, you did, you did ask ma to look at the
[6139]report.
[6141]Mr. Baron. Can you point to any namas or incidents in
[6142]this report that are connected in any way in your mind to
[6144]actual assassination attempts against Cuba‘ -- Castro?
[6146]Mr. Halley. No, I cannot point to any names that in my
[6148]mind are attached to an assassination attempt against Castro:
[6149]You asked me to look at this originally to see if any of the
[6150]names were familiar to me in any way. I made a list of some
[6151]of the names that rang a bell with me, for various reasons.
[6153]One name is Humberto Sori Marin. I recall that he was
[6154]active, he was active with the DRE.
[6156]Mr. Baron. At what page is that?
[6158]Mr. Halley. Thera is no page number.
[6160]For instance, here's a name, Humberto Sori Marin. That is
[6162]reporting showing that he was in prison, you know, ws constantly
[6163]got reporting on, or why, it is a name that I recognize in the
[6164]counterrevolutionary sense, that it is something that crossed
[6166]my desk, to See the name.
[6168]All right. The other name that is familiar is Tony Varona.
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[6198]That was a Cuban exile leader. Wa talked about Tony Varona. I
[6199]told you I did not know that tony Varona had any connection with
[6200]Mr. Harvey.
[6202]There is another name in here, Manolo Ray. I mentioned
[6203]Manolo Ray to you. He was one of two axile leaders who had a
[6205]relationship with the Agency. You know, I told you Artime was
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[6209]One; Manolo Ray is another. He is familiar to me as a result of
[6210]that. .
[6212]Mr. Baron. You did not know of any involvement of Manolo
[6213]Ray in an assassination affort against Castro?
[6215]Mr. Halley. I do not.
[6217]‘Here is: another name mentioned in the same paragraph,
[6218]Aureliano Sanchez Arango. That is a name that is familiar to
[6219]Me aS a prominent Cuban exile.
[6221]Mr. Baron. You have no more specific recollection?
[6223]Mr. Halley. I am trying to be responsive to your question,
[6224]telling you which names ring a bell with me as I run through
[6225]this.
[6227]Mr. Baron. All I am trying to do is clarify for the
[6229]“record the exact nature of your recollection of each of these
[6231]names.
[6232]Do you have any recollection of a plot alludad to in this
[6233]report to shoot Castro with a bazooka at the Havana Stadium?
[6234]Mr. Halley. No, I do not have any recollection of that.
[6236]According to this, i€ this is correct, it took place in October
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[6252]of '61 which I would not hava had any knowledge of because I
[6253]was not involved in Cuban affairs until, as I told,you, early
[6254]February 1962.
[6256]Mr. Baron. The same would go for the shooting of a
[6257]bazooka towards the Presidential Palace?
[6259]Mr. Halley. I have no knowledge.
[6261]Mr. Baron. Do you have any knowledge of any efforts to
[6262]assassinate Fidel Castro run out of Guantanamo Bay Naval Base?
[6264]Mr. Halley. No, I do not. As you know, Guantanamo had
[6265]& number of Cuban exiles in it, people who had taken refuge in
[6266]the base at one time or another.:: During the’ time’ that I was the
[6267]Station Chief in Miami we did have contacts with people at
[6268]Guantanamo, We did use them for intelligence collection
[6269]purposes, but I do not have any linkage between that intelligenc
[6270]project and assassination.
[6272]Mr. Baron. Were paramilitary operations run out of
[6273]Guantanamo Bay?
[6275]Mr. Halley. They were not during my time as Station Chief
[6277]in Miami by CIA. There was an office of ONI, Office of
[6279]‘Naval Intelligence representative on Guantanamo. I have no
[6281]knowledge of what they may have been doing during various
[6282]periods of time. I am talking about CIA.
[6284]Mr. Baron. Any other names that struck a chord with you
[6285]in this report?
[6287]Mr. Halley. Well, you have a name here, Mario Salabarria
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[6296]Aquiar; that name rings a bell with me, for what reason, I do
[6297]not know. You know, we would have to run a name tracs.to get
[6299]a rundown of what is in the files and what is in the central
[6300]index for me to be able to comment on it. As I told you earlier
[6301]I know that the Agency is doing all these traces after they are
[6303]completed and you get them and you want me to take a look at
[6304]he.
[6306]it, I will be glad to do so, It may trigger some response.
[6308]This name, Ramon Grau Scerio, it rings a bell with me. It
[6309]is quite possible that he may have been a collection agent, just
[6310]as is written here. I am making a deduction, but again, I would
[6311]have to look at the name traces, but it is a name that rings a
[6312]bell with me.
[6314]Mr. Baron. You do not remember him in connection with an
[6315]attempt to poison the Prime Minister in June of 1965 as it says
[6316]there?
[6318]Mr. Halley. No, I do not.
[6320]Then the next name that is on here, that is familiar.
[6322]Here is one that we discussed, that is AMLASH-1. We already
[6323]went over that one.
[6325]The other name was Manuel Artime, whom we have talked
[6326]about.
[6328]Mr. Baron. Right.
[6330]Mr. Baron. The last name on here -- I cannot find it --
[6332]the other name is Antonio Cuesta Valle. I cannot find it now,
[6334]but that is the last name that rang a bell.
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[6339]Mr. Baron. Do you have any recollaction of Cuesta
[6340]Valle's specific activities with the CIA?
[6342]Mr. Halley. No. I would have to run traces on him and
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[6346]take a look at what the information is.
[6348]Mr. Baron. Was Frank Sturgis connected with the JMWAVE
[6349]Station?
[6351]Mr. Halley. He was not.
[6353].Mr. Baron. Not under the name of Frank Fiorino either?
[6355]Mr. Halley. No, ha was not. This is again one of these
[6356]great myths. At this whole Cuba thing, Frank Sturgis was a
[6357]soldier of fortune, was constantly involved on the periphery
[6359]of the Cuban exile community. Ne was involved in free lance
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[6363]Operations against Cuba. He was somebody that the FBI,
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[6367]Customs, CIA, everybody, reported on. He was a household name,
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[6381]involved in Cuban affairs, that is the payroll of the Miami
[6382]Station. I remember name traces being run on this guy and so
[6383]forth, and the Agency had no contact with. him during that
[6384]Period of time.
[6386]Ms. Baron. Are you aware of his ‘ever having been on the
[6387]payroll of the CIA?
[6389]Mr. Halley. I personally am not aware of it, and I think,
[6391]you know,if ybu had gone to the Agency that they must ‘have ‘given
[6393]you all sorts of traces on this fellow and.told you the same
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[6421]Ara you aware of the AMOT program?
[6422]Halley. Yes, I am.
[6424]Mr. Baron. How'was that spelled?
[6426]Mr. Halley. AMOT.
[6428]Mr. Baron. What was that program?
[6430]Mr. Halley. That was a program involving a Cuban emigre
[6431]group that was used as an operational support mechanism to
[6432]support the Miami Station.
[6434]Mr. Baron. What kind of support did they provide?
[6436]Mr. Halley. They were interviewers of refugees who came
[6437]out of Cuba. They provided translator personnel to translate
[6438]the Spanish language publications that were of interest to us.
[6439]They provided information on the various mainstream activities
[6440]that were going on in the Cuban exile community.
[6442]Mr. Baron. Did they provide ‘support for paramilitary
[6443]operations against Cuba?
[6445]Mr. Halley. They might have identified people whom they
[6446]thought we should interview or look to or see if they would
[6447]fit into other paramilitary programs. In other words, they
[6448]had the contacts .in the Cuban community. Say we had a require-
[6449]ment for a diesel engineer. We would say to the AMOT organiza-
[6450]tion, we would say we are looking for a Cuban who is a diesel
[6451]engineer who has a first engine's license, and they would go.
[6452]through all of their contacts until they would come up with
[6454]ona, a wesk or ten days or whatever, having identified‘:
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[6463]the fellow, where he was, what he was doing. ‘We would then
[6465]Send somebody around to talk to him indepandant of them and
[6466]pick him up to work for us in our maritime activities.
[6468]It was that kind of operational support.
[6470]Mr. Baron. People who were part of this program were
[6471]not used as paramilitary operatives, at least insofar as they
[6472]operated under the aegis of this program. There were some of
[6473]them who may have been in the paramilitary program and then .
[6474]left it and were subsequently picked up in the AMOT organiza-
[6475]tion. ,
[6477]Could we go off the record for a moment?
[6479](Discussion off the record.)
[6481]Mr. Malley. We are now back on the record,
[6483]The AMOTs also worked with us on a common project, which
[6484]was monitoring Cuban naval traffic, things like that, so they
[6485]were used across the hoard for operational support tasks.
[6487]Mr. Baron. One more general question.
[6489]Did the JMWAVE Station have an operational relationship
[6491]the FBI?
[6493]Mr. Halley. I would not --
[6495]Mr. Baron. Was the FBI involved. in supporting your
[6496]activities in any way?
[6498]Mr. Halley. I would rather phrase that in my language,
[6499]because I think --
[6501]Mr. Baron. Go right ahead.
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[6515]“Mr. Halley. (I-do not know if your question means the same
[6516]thing to me. I would prefer to say we had a liaison relation-
[6517]ship with the FBI, that is, on matters dealing with counter-
[6518]intelligence matters. There was a regular.exchange of data
[6519]with the FBI. There was an exchange of name traces on people
[6520]that they were conducting investigations on. for: counterintelli
[6521]gence purposes,We would trace certain individuals and with the
[6522]FBI there were a couple of counterintelligence cases that we
[6523]discovered that were turned over to the PAI,
[6525]So this is in the context of the normal CIA-FRI liaison
[6526]that existed between the two agencies.
[6528]Mr. Baron. ‘But the FBI was not involved in supporting
[6529]paramilitary commando raids to the shore of Cuba, is that
[6530]correct?
[6532]Mr. Halley. i do not know what you are driving at.
[6534]there. I am having a little trouble with that. Are you saying
[6536]that the PBI dispatched paramilitary teams to Cuba as
[6538]an organization?
[6540]Mr. Baron. Were they involved in paramilitary training
[6542]“of any of the CIA operatives?
[6544]Mr. Halley. No. The FBI did not train any CIA personnel
[6545]during my tenure in the Miami Station.
[6547]Mr. Baron. Did the FBI at any point provide with you
[6548]links to people who had gambling interests inside Cuba?
[6550]Mr. Walley. No. Wa covered the aambling thing previously.
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[6570]The. one case that I mentioned is thia:mahtwho -gave us‘the .-
[6571]lead of the two Soviets from the missile site, and that did not
[6572]come to the Miami Station through the FBI.
[6574]Mr. Baron. Were you aver made awara of a CIA attempt to
[6575]secure the aid of a pilot, a Cuban pilot, to arrange for an
[6576]“accideht," to occur to Raul Castro when ha flew on a Cuban
[6577]plane?
[6579]Mr. Halley. I read this somewhere in tha record in post
[6580]years, but I was not aware of this at the tima, at the time I
[6581]was in Miami.
[6583]Mr. Baron. Were you aware that serious consideration had
[6584]been given to the tactic of assassination at CIA Headquarters
[6585]during your period of involvement ‘with Cuban affairs?
[6587]Mr. Halley. No, that is in the period 1962 to '65.when
[6588]I was the Station Chief in Miami, I was not aware of any serious
[6589]you know, program operational effort towards assassinating
[6590]Castro.
[6592]Mr. Baron. Were you aware that serious consideration had
[6593]been given to’ the tactic or to the use of the tool of assassina-
[6594]‘tion at CIA Headquarters prior to your coming on as JMWAVE
[6595]Station Chief?
[6597]Mr. Halley. No, I was not aware of any, you know, planned
[6598]program effort at assassination.
[6600]Mr. Baron. If we limit it an
[6602]Mr. diGenova. What. do you mean when you say that?
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[6611]Mr. Halley. I went through this before before you came
[6613]in and explained to Mr. Baron that the subject of assassination
[6614]was constantly being discussed in the Cuban community and was a
[6615]part of the fabric of the times.
[6617]Mr. diGenova. That I am aware of. You are not the only
[6618]One who has expressed that knowledge that they were all saying
[6619]let's kill him, let's get together. .
[6621]. Mr. Halley. There was a lot of discussion of this kind of
[6622]subject of assassination and that is why I keep trying to be
[6623]precise that there was no programmatic operational program that
[6624]I was aware of to assassinate Castro.
[6626]Mr. Baron. Although the context in which we discussed the
[6627]talk that was in the air of assassinating Castro was coffee shop
[6628]in Miami and conversation among Cubans as opposed to conversa~
[6629]tions among high CIA officials back in Headquarters, were you
[6630]aware that there were at least serious discussions of the
[6631]use of assassination against Castre at CIA Headquarters?
[6633]Mr. Halley. No, I was not. We are plowing the same
[6634]that we covered before in this.
[6636]As I indicated to you, people would come out of Cuba and
[6637]discuss these kinds-of things. ‘Some of these were reported in,
[6638]you know, traffic back to Washington. People would discuss
[6639]what are the prospects of somebody assigned to assassinate
[6640]Castro. In that particular context, yes, discussions on the
[6642]assassination of Castro took place. That is why I keep coming
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[6664]back, if. you are saying that if anybody outlined an operational
[6665]plan to me, aia I help construct the plan, did I make a contri-
[6666]bution to a plan, my answer ig again no. We talked earlier,
[6667]you asked me about those exploding sea shells of which I said
[6669]I had never heard of but I had heard discussions of Castro's
[6670]vulnerability because he was a scuba diver. And you asked me
[6671]about bacteria, I said I had never heard of an introduction of
[6672]bacteria, but I had heard again about Castro's vulnerability
[6674]in this context. Where I heard it, as I told you before, I do
[6676]not remember.
[6678]Mr. Baron. I realize we are plowing some of the same
[6680]furroughs again. I am trying to be meticulous in the way you
[6682]were before. You just now said that the subject of assassina-
[6683]tion probably came up in the context of discussing the contin-
[6684]gencies of Castro's death. Did it come up in terms of discus-
[6685]sing whether or not a plan should be put together to assassinate
[6686]Castro, whether or not an operation should be mounted --
[6688]Mr. Halley. 'I cannot recall any such discussion, but in
[6690]‘any state where there is a leadership dominated by one man, it
[6692]‘is always a discussion of succession. That question has come
[6694]up, you know, if something happened to Fidel Castro, if he is
[6695]thrown over, if he doss something foolish himself or if somebody
[6696]is successful in assassinating him, somebody who decides sudden-
[6697]ly to take his machetti and just get out in tha sugar cane
[6699]field, again, the question was, who replaces Castro, and we
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[6704]generally focused on Raul. There was talk of a collective
[6706]leadership.
[6708]These are all kinds of things that ara always done. against
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[6713]Communist state or whatever you want to talk, call ita
[6715]military dictatorship or a dictatorship of the Bight or the
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[6720]Mr. Baron. Again, discussion of what to do upon the
[6721]contingency that Castro dies, by whatever means --
[6722]Mr. Halley. Non-Agency induced.
[6723]Mr. Baron. As opposed to this, which is my qusstion:
[6725]were you aware of any kind. of a discussion at CIA Headquarters
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[6740]Mr. Halley. I do not recall any such discussion. That
[6741]is why I have gone into all this background to try to explain
[6742]the mood of the times and that is why I keep referring to, in
[6743]my Sense of the word, asa professional intelligence officer, -
[6744]of an operational plan, I was not a participant in any discus-
[6745]“sion in which an operational plan for the assassination of
[6746]castro was discussed. That is, I think, the heart of the
[6747]matter.
[6749]Mr. Baron. I have no further quastions.
[6751]Joe, do you have any?
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[6776]Mr. Halley. Could we go off the record?
[6778](Discussion off the record.)
[6780]Mr. diGenova. Mr. Halley, we have just had a brief
[6781]discussion here about some of tha things that were covered
[6782]before I arrived by Mr. Baron and*you. I do not want to cover
[6783]any more of that ground.
[6785]it is my understanding in discussing the structure of
[6786]JMWAVE's relationship with Headquarters, General Lansdale's
[6787]name came up, and that on one occasion, General Lansdale actually
[6788]came down to Miami to visit the Station to get firsthand
[6790]knowledge of what was transpiring. Is that correct?
[6792]Mr. Halley. That is correct.
[6794]Mr. diGenova. Do you have-any idea when that was?
[6796]Mr. Halley. No. I stated earlier it was in 1962. It
[6797]probably was in the summer of 1962 because it was after my
[6798]family arrived in Miami. I do not remember the exact dates.
[6799]It could be established probably from records of the Agency.
[6801]I do not recall it specifically.
[6803]Mr. diGenova. To your knowledge, did he-travel by himself
[6805]or was he with compatriots or aides?
[6807]Mr. Halley. My recollection of that was that he came down
[6809]on a special airplane. There may have been other people on the
[6810]plane with him, I do not recall, but he landed at Homestead
[6812]Air Force Base. As I recall, we picked him up from there.
[6814]TOP SECRET
[6817]Prone (Area 202) $44-6000
[6819]4 n WARD
[6821]7
[6823]310 First Street, $.£., Wasnington, O.C. 20002
[6825]Mr. diGenova. Did General Lansdale travel under his own
[6827]name or under a cover name?
[6829]Mr. Halley. Throughout the time that he was in contact
[6830]with me and the Station he was operating as General Lansdale.
[6832]Mr. diGenova. Did he have contact when ha was there with
[6833]some of the assets themselves? ;
[6835]Mr. Halley. He had no contact with any Cubans that I am
[6836]aware of. He did spend the night that he came down with some
[6837]friends at Homestead Air Force Base, but I do not recall, I
[6838]would have no way of knowing what he did that evening.
[6840]Mr. diGenova. For the time that he was at JMWAVF he was
[6841]with officials such as yourself who had a supervisory capacity
[6842]at JMWAVE Station?
[6844]Mr. Halley. That is correct.
[6846]Mr. diGenova. I have no further questions.
[6848]Mr. Baron. On the record, I just want to thank you for
[6849]your testimony here today. It has been a long day and we
[6850]have gone over a lot of things quite carefully and it has been
[6851]most informative.
[6853]I would also like to ask you, if you would, to pursue for
[6854]us that one name of the man who was connected with gambling
[6855]interests in Cuba and supplied somé intelligencs to JMWAVE
[6856]Station. .
[6858](Discussion off .the record.)
[6860](Whereupon, at 5:90 ‘o'cléck the hearing was concluded.)
[6862]TOP SECRET
[6865]pelieved he wes tein, supported oy U.S. wusinesonen with
[6867]in Cuba. Roselli needed Cioncana and Tratficaate
[6868]in the fi >a means of mstablisning contacts inside Cuba.
[6869]He did not need them in the second phase, ‘pecause he had Varona.
[6870]However, it would be caive to assume that Roselli did not take
[6871]the precaution of informing higher-ups’ in the syndicate taat he
[6873]was working in 4 territory considered to te the private domain
[6875]of scmeone else in the syndicate.)
[6877]‘Wren the pilis vere given to Varona through QNoselli, Varora.
[6878]au
[6880]requested ams and ecuipment needed for me support of bis end of the
[6882]operation - Roselli passed tae request to Harvey. Harvey, with the
[6884]pelp of Ted Shackley, the chief of the JMWAVE Statics, procured
[6886]explosives, detonators, twenty .30 caliber rifles, twenty whS caliber
[6888]nand guns, to radios, and one yoat radar. Harvey says that the
[6890]“snopping List" included some items that could be obtained only from
[6892]the U.S. Goverrarent. Harvey onitted those items, tecause Roselli,
[6894]. posing a5 4 representative of private business interests, would not
[6896]have ned access to suca equipaent- Gare cost of the arms and equiyment,
[6897]about 3,000, vas tad to hexdauarters.
[6898]Spackley rented a it erick US assumed name,
[6900]parved it in the parxing 10%
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[6905]or to Varena's con-in-law.
[6907]ba wae to Varons,
[6909]Evidently Narvey and Roseili nad not yet come to trust cach otrer.
[6913]Perhaps fearing a double-cross, each
[6915]assure himself that the equipment reached the pnve! hands. After
[6917]parking the truck, Harvey aad Snackley kept the parking lot, under
[6919]. a
[6920]surveillance until the rass was completed. Roselli, accompanied by
[6922]O'Connell, did the sane. Neither pair knew that the other wis
[6924]watching. Eventually the truck was picked d driven away.
[6926]Se ORT Rh re Caer Ge eat nyite a a.
[6928]was returned later, empty, and with the keys under the sest as
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[6938]nackley never knew to ry was sade ner for what
[6940]ey was merely called upon to furnisn support for
[6942],
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[6947]farvey and Roselli arranged a systen of telephone conmunication.
[6948]by whica farvey was kept vosted on any Cevelornents. ryvey, using 2
[6949]‘pay phene, could cal 3 Club in Los Angeles at 1500
[6951]hours, Los
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