[1]JFK Assassination System Date: 10/14/20
[2]Identification Form
[4]Agency Information
[6]AGENCY: HSCA
[7]RECORD NUMBER: — 180-10096-10399
[9]RECORD SERIES: NUMBERED FILES.
[10]AGENCY FILENUMBER: 009532
[12]Document Information
[14]ORIGINATOR: HSCA
[15]FROM: TAYLOR, GARY.
[16]TO:
[18]TITLE :
[20]DATE: 06/11/1978
[21]PAGES: 9
[23]SUBJECTS : .
[24]DE BAHRENSCHILDT, GEORGE.
[25]TAYLOR, GARY.
[26]OSWALD, MORING; ASSOCIATES AND RELATIVES.
[27]OSWALD, LEE; POST-RUSSIAN PERIOD; ASSOCIATES &
[28]RELATIVES.
[30]DOCUMENT TYPE: SUMMARY.
[31]CLASSIFICATION: — Unclassified
[32]RESTRICTIONS: — Open in Full
[33]CURRENT STATUS: = Redact
[34]DATE OF LASTREVIEW: — 06/21/1993
[36]OPENING CRITERIA :
[38]COMMENTS : Box 175. Outside contact report.
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[47]| 009532
[48]INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE |
[50]1. Identi fying Information:
[52]Name Caeey Lbvaed Tey Big bor Date (, ~th if |
[53]. Address 3 Alb -ColEe (2, E. Place SCFM.
[55]. City/State DBellers LEXIS. ZERO.
[57]a ‘Telephone .
[58]Date of Birth W-2Y-FF wor gs gees ed Op yp
[59]- Social Security. Ss e SE -3 S08 Spouse CuUyw 2, Hee
[60]re re . Children nn
[61]2. Phy sical Description: ; . _ .
[62]- Height L f of my . Be Color Eyes Gze Hair _Bewenl
[63]‘Weight - Special Characteristics
[65]‘Ethnic Group Bare whale
[67]cao pe
[69]3... Personal History:
[74]Telephone
[76]Cab Davee) Vow Cable.
[78]b. . Criminal Record | “ a > . a a co!
[80]pe Convictions > Foe thy 6 (6s - Fie!
[82]4. Baditional Personal Information:
[84]a. Relative(s) : err aie Wee Sp oY |
[85]Address. LARS Vege lh 2 pec ae
[86]. WES LEY 7°.S
[88]- b. Area frequented:
[92]Investigator:
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[96]KENNEDY .
[97]OUSIDE CONTACT REPORT
[98]pare @-//- 7f vine 2 2PM
[99]oe Identifying Information: . | — oO ce Oe ,
[100]“wame GZ 4K? hf Cfma A A ‘Telephone Z/fOFILOLST
[101]Address $7/6 ~ Cale. Ae_ “lee, Drs TEAS ZEB
[103]“type of contact: Telephone ©
[106]“ET. Summary of Contact:
[108]TIt. _ Recommended Follow-up (if any) :
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[112]KENNEDY
[114]SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS
[116]Name _Gary Edward Taylor 7 Date June ll, 1978 Time 3:00 p.m
[118]Address 3716 Cole Avenue, #102, Place Holiday. Inn, Regal Row,
[119]: ; Dallas, Texas |
[121]Dallas, Texas 75204
[123]‘Interview: The purpose of the interview of Mr. Taylor was too
[125]review his Statement and to interview the witness. This inter- 7
[126]view took place on Sunday, June 11, 1978, at 3:00 P- m. at the
[127]Holiday Inn, 1575 Regal Row, Dallas, Texas. Mr. Gary Edward
[128]Taylor, date of birth 12-24-39, who is the employed as a taxi”
[129]cab driver for the Yellow -Cab Company in Dallas, Texas. Tele-
[130]phone number at work is 426-2626. Mr. Taylor. stated that he
[132]met Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald in early September of
[133]1962 in Fort Worth, Texas. In describing LHO, Mr. Taylor stated
[134]that he was not a very nice person to know. He was never light-
[135]hearted nor did he ‘ever make jokes. He was not a very sociable...
[136]person.. Mr. Taylor stated that during the time that he knew
[138]LHO, he had talked with him only on a very general basis about
[139]his stay in Rugeia.* Taylor stated that Oswald had never dis-
[140]cussed his ever. being debriefed by the KGB while. he was in the .
[141]Soviet Union. Mr. Taylor said that he had never heard LHO J mens. -~
[142]tion that he had attempted to commit suicide . while in Russia
[144]nor had he ever noticed any scars as a result of that attempt...
[146]Typed Signature Clarence J. Day
[148]Date transcribed 6-23-78
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[156]in the Soviet Union only in a general way and would never be
[157]specific. He talked about the society as a whole but never
[158]about his position in it. Mr. Taylor had the impression that
[159]Oswald did not like living in the Soviet Union. He stated that
[160]LHO did mention that he had worked in a radio factory while
[162]in Minsk and stated that he made metal chassis. He described
[163]his job as being.that..of a sheet metal worker. However, Taylor
[164]stated that Oswald did not go into any details concerning his.
[165]work. Mr. Taylor described Oswald at this point in the inter-
[166]view as being a very superficial person. He described him
[168]‘as "like a kid coming to school without doing his homework."
[169]Mr. Taylor further recalls that he (Mr. Taylor) thought it odd
[170]that LHO did not know how to drive a car. Taylor stated that
[171]he had been asked by George De Mohrenschildt anda friend of
[172]the De Mohrenschildts by the name of George Bouhe to teach LHO
[173]how to drive. Taylor stated however that he has no knowledge
[174]of Oswald ever- learning to drive a car.
[176]Mr. Taylor stated that LHO talked only in general terms
[177]about where he lived in Russia. He did mention living in Minsk.
[178]but gave little insight into his living conditions. Taylor
[179]stated that he got a feeling that. Oswald lived under average
[180]conditions. He stated that Oswald had mentioned that he made
[181]the minimal wages, which were about forty-five rubles a month.
[182]He went on to state that he had spoken of having only one pair
[183]of shoes and one coat. Taylor recalled that LHO had never dis-
[185]cussed with him what. his social life was like while he was in
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[191]Russia and he added that LHO was "a person of few social
[192]graces"..and that he appeared to be a person who had no time
[193]for people in general. He described him as being untypical
[194]and as being a person who was self-motivated.to personal ef-
[195]forts or personal goals. .
[197]Mr. Taylor reflected that he could not understand the
[198]interest that George De Mohrenschildt showed towards LHO dur-
[199]ing this period. He described De Mohrenschildt's actions as
[200]giving Oswald money, helping him by giving him clothing and
[201]then by virtually forcing Oswald on his friends, that is, the
[202]friends of De Mohrenschildt. He also stated that De Mohren-
[203]schildt spent a great deal of time with LHO. Mr. Taylor said
[204]that was difficult to understand because George De Mohrenschildt
[205]had children and a family of his own and he had never done any
[206]of the things that he had done for LHO for his own family. He
[207]Stated further that this interest was out of character for
[208]George De Mohrenschildt, considering that 1HO was a "nobody."
[210]Mr. Taylor stated that LHO had never mentioned having
[211]any contact with the. KGB. He stated that Oswald could not
[212]understand why the Russian Government was not interested in
[213]him and he believed that this hurt LHO. M@aylor stated that
[214]sometime about six months before the assassination, he had
[215]visited Marina at their apartment on Neeley Street in Oakcliff.
[216]but Lee was not. home at the time. While hé was at the apart-
[217]ment, Marina had shown him a rifle belonging to LHO which she
[219]got from behind the door. Taylor could not describe the weapon
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[226]except to say that it was a rifle. He stated that he believed
[227]Marina was afraid of LHO and during this visit she sensed that
[228]she anxious for him to leave. He recalled that he had seen
[230]signs of Marina being battered by LHO. He had observed on occas-
[231]sions bruises and abrasions which he believed were caused by
[233]LHO. Taylor stated that 1HO never discussed why the Soviet
[234]Government allowed him to remain in Russia or why they let
[236]him return to this country.
[238]This witness had no knowledge of any friends or associ-
[239]ates of LHO other than those persons mentioned in the Warren
[240]Commission Report. He stated that he never discussed the U-2
[241]program with LHO. Taylor advised that he had no.wknowledge
[242]that LHO was an extensive reader. He recalled that he did
[243]subscribe to and receive one Russian periodical. He did not
[244]remember the name. He later stated that he recalled that Os-
[245]wald did mention that he had read Lenin, Karl Marx, and Adolph
[246]Hitler.
[248]Mr. taylor stated that he knew of only one interest
[250]that LHO had, and that interest was writing. He said that
[252]LHQ spent most of his spare time writing. He further recalls
[253]that Oswald had given him a manuscript which he, LHO, had writ-
[254]ten. Taylor said that he read a:very small part of the writ-
[255]ings and concluded that it was very poorly done and so he
[256]never finished reading it.
[258]Taylor continued to recall and stated while giving his
[260]Warren Commission testimony, he was shown a manuscript by Mr.
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[267]Jack Genner, Counsel for the Warren Commission, and that
[268]he did not. reconize~ it as the one given him by LHO. He
[269]further stated that about a year ago he was interviewed by
[270]Edward Epstein, the author, and at that time he was shown a
[271]manuscript by Mr. Epstein which he (Taylor) recongized as the
[272]one given him by LHO. Mr. Taylor said he could think of noth-
[273]ing LHO did or said that led him to believe that Oswald had a
[274]motive for killing President Kennedy. He stated that LHO to
[275]him was just an insignificant person.
[277]Mr. Taylor, when questioned about his employment in
[278]1959 or 1960, stated that he had worked at a number of jobs dur-
[279]ing that time. He was a student in college and he recalled that
[280]one place he worked was the ‘stockroom in J.C. Penny's Store in
[281]Dallas, Texas. He could not name his supervisor. Mr. ‘Taylor
[282]stated that he had worked for R.C.A. Service Company at Redstone
[283]Arsonal, in Alabama, as a sound engineer and that he. had trouble
[284]getting a‘security check clearance; however, he had later. gotten
[285]the clearance. When asked if he knew Donald Waltrum, Jack Moore,
[286]and R. K. Johnson, or Sigmund Andrews, Mr. Taylor said that he
[287]knew them all except Donald Waltrum.
[289]Taylor said that he had lived two doors down from Jack
[290]Moore when he lived at 3245 North Crest, in Dallas, Texas.
[291]Moore at that time was living at 4241 North Crest. He admitted
[293]knowing Moore since 1951. He stated that Moore's children and
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[299]his children are friends. He advised that Moore is now re-~-
[300]tired from a family business. The family business was selling
[301]surgical supplies. The business carries the family name and
[302]is still in Dallas, Texas. Taylor stated that his son and
[303]Moore's grand-daughter are now dating each other.
[305]R. K. Johnson was a close personal friend of Taylor.
[306]He was a free-lance photographer who had taught him photo-
[308]- graphy. He had worked for Johnson as a free-lance photography
[309]assistant at 3507 Travis Street in Dallas, Texas. He stated
[310]that he met Johnson in 1957 when he became interested in motion
[311]pictures. Johnson was in that profession at the time. He
[312]stated that Ralph Johnson died Easter Sunday, 1967.
[314]Mr. Taylor said that he met Sigmund Andrews in 1957
[315]when he was involved in motion pictures and he stated that in
[316]1960 Andrews came to Dallas and they worked together doing
[317]industrial and motion picture advertising:..for ‘Keitz Herdon
[318]Company in Dallas. His former wife, that is, Andrew's former
[319]wife's name is Norma, and she is now married to William Holiman
[320]who is the assistant agent in charge of the Dallas Field Office
[321]for the F.B.I. He stated that he has not seen or had contact
[322]with Andrews in quite some time, for over a year, but that
[323]he has seen Norma Holiman recently. Mr. Taylor stated that he
[324]had worked for Sellers Company or Sellers T.V. Studio .at -2102
[325]Johnson Street in Dallas, Texas. in 1963 and 1966. He stated
[327]that he worked as a sound engineer and that there were only
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[333]three people in the company, a man by the name of Ken Brown,
[334]and J. E. Sellers.and himself. The company was involved in
[335]making television/motion picture advertising.
[337]Taylor stated that he knew of no employee of the Sellers
[338]Company who:: was acquainted with, associated with, or even
[339]knew LHO. Near the end of this interview, Mr. Taylor asked me
[340]if the Committee had George De Mohrenschildt's papers from his
[341]estate. I made no comment and Mr. Taylor stated that, asked
[342]me,, in other words, if I knew that. there was a confession among
[343]George De Mohrenschildt's papers. I still made no comment.
[344]Mr. Taylor then stated that he had been told by Alexandra
[345]De Mohrenschildt, his former wife, that there was a confession
[346]among George De Mohrenschildt's papers, and he indicated that
[347]that fact was the reason why John, Jane and Alexandra De Mohren-
[348]schildt were fighting so hard in the courts to obtain possession
[349]of George De Mohrenschildt's estate, papers and all. Mr. Tay-
[350]lor was very cooperative during this interview. He suggested
[351]very strongly that some member of this Committee contact and
[352]interview his former wife, Alexander De.Mohrenschildt. He
[353]Stated that if there was any way that he could help in the.in-
[355]vestigation, the Committee is free to contact him at any time.
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