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[23]MARCHETTI, VICTOR
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[128]met him, I only saw him on the TV a few months aso, he looks
[129]like a broken man, he did that day anyway. But he was a very
[131]mysterious, very --
[133]Phone (Area 202) 544-6000
[137]MR. OLSEN: To use the house term, he was a spook?
[139]° : “MR. MARCHETTI: Yes. He was a very exotic character.
[140]6 And ali kinds of stories £loat around about Jim Angleton. And
[141]7 ? il. Iam sure that some are nothing more than apoéryphal and some
[142]8 are pure rumor. . &
[143]9 What intrigued me about this Runge thing is that
[144]10 subsequently another reporter -- and this time the guy identi-
[145]ii fied the man he had been talking to _- the man he had been,
[146]3 12 talking to was Bill Harvey, who was one of the people respon~
[147]é 13 sible for exposing Philby, in fact Philby.gives Harvey the
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[149]: 14 | - credit in his book under a pseudonym -~ that Harvey said to
[150]15] : wes, the Agency -- to this reporter -- yes, the
[151]16 n penetrated, it may even,be now -- he made some
[152]WW nts of that nature; But’ then when the guy trie
[154]18 to dig deeper, Harvey held him at arm's length.
[156]« 19 _MR.-OLSEN: Who is Harvey?
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[159](9) ; 20 'MR... MARCHETTI: Bill Harvey was. a scenario officer.
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[167]3. 22 He had. been .Head of the Cuban task force.
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[169]4 23 MR. OLSEN: Which Cuban taski force do you refer to
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[172]@ 4 a 24 now? The one that.was organized --_ 4
[174]2 25 - MR: MARCHETTI: Within the Agency, the Agency's own.
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[221]ko pe and have subse-
[223]Soviet cafectors and peoplw who claim
[225]quently been found to be leqitimate defectors.
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[228]MR. MARCHRTSI: You mean found to be illegitimate
[229]defectors?
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[235]No, found to be leqitimate defectors --
[236]well, aither way.
[238]MR, MARCHRT®I: Well, they would turn uo from Aime to
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[241]tine, Usually I fidn't have anv direct dealings. They were
[243]handled by the Clandestine Services. But vou would know the
[245]case, There is the famous
[246]agwho said that he was a KGB plant (ith
[248]is the one that many people on the
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[265]ke to point to as having identified all kinds —
[267]of agents within the US Government. Eventually I got to the
[271]out ads in the newsnapers to the
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[275]At this point you don't know if the guy was nuts all
[276]along, and I don't know what the official thinking about it
[277]at the Agency is.
[279]But there have been anumber of others over the vears.
[281]MR. OLSEU: How do vou spell his name.
[283]MR. MARCHETTI:
[285]These names are a matter of record. -YOu will have
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[319]afecotrs which von believe to be questionable as to whether
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[323]or not it comes within the charter of the CIA?
[325]As Iosayv, IT have no first hand
[326]cnowledqe on this subject.
[328]You remamber thef
[330]MR. MARCHETTI: I was in the Agency at the time that
[332]happened, but IT knew practicaliy nothing about it in the Agency
[336]For one reason, I didn't pay any attention to it.. I had no
[338]Yeason to. But it was after getting out of the Agency.
[340]This hapnened to be a case wheref
[342]apparently to this day claims
[343]@, and said that he was framed,. and it was
[344]feasons, because he didn't:see eye to eve with the
[346]MR OLSEN: YOu don't know the story behind that, I
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[350]MR. MARCHETTI: No. But you could find out. I dontt
[351]know what the Adeney was doing. All IT know is that Helms
[352]submitted some sort of affidavit which the judge accepted, and
[354]on the
[356]He had
[358]acting under orders from the Aceney. The reasons whv, thev ara
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[401]seem to work properly except in the US. And I am wondering what
[402]kind of use in the US vou might be aware of?
[404]MR. MARCHETTI: That wasn't what I meant by that.
[405]What I meant was, it worked good under laboratory conditions
[406]here, but when I would take it out to the field, it wouldn't
[407]‘work. .
[409]MR. ROETHE: You weren't referring to any use of thes
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[413]beams here in the US?
[414]| MR. MARCHETTI: No, I was-not.
[415]But that is that system that people are talking about
[416]now, the laser people bugging system, where they can get a
[417]building across the street there and direct a beam here and |
[418]pick it up. It has become quite popular in recent years, at
[420]least they talk about it.
[422]MRovOLSEN: YOu mean in the. spy literature?
[424]\RCHETTI: . Yes.
[426]MRESSROETHE: . At page 196 you refer to monitoring of
[428]embassy. traffic from Maryland and Virginia. ‘Were you referring
[430]to CIA's activity in eae
[432]“MR. MARCHETTI: fuse)
[434]MR. ROETHE: ‘You are not aware of any CIA activity of
[436]this. nature?
[438]MR, MARCHETTI: No, not herein this country. [a
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[460]MR. ROBTHE: There is one reference to breaking into,
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[465]4 embassies at page 199. And there is no reference to any
[467]5 | particular embassy.* Are you aware of any activity where the
[468]6 | CIA was actually implicated in breaking into an embassy? You
[469]. 9 have already talked about the Cilean Embassy. ¢
[470]; 8 a MR. MARCHETTI: This was based on information that wa
[472]9 availabe in the Houston Plan, which by that time had become
[473]10 public. And also certain background information about |iehep
[475]a> 11 MCapabEEePesz0fzthe
[477]clandestine abilities. And it was all rolled into one as a
[479]SAminiSmes eine al. £i0%9,| ana certain CIA
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[486]é 14 ' MR. ROETHE: On page 207 you indicate that many.
[488]‘EY CIA were pressing for action against the KGB
[490]as: the FRI was not doing a good enough job?
[491]—_ ARCHETTI: Yes.
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[494]ROETHE: Do you know of any actual operations tha
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[497]19 were ever taken by teh CIA, or do you have any evidence of such
[499]3 operations? . a
[501]i am . | MR. MARCHETTI: No, I do not.
[503]oa ot . - .
[505]é 20 MR. ROETHE: On page 216 you refer to training of
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[511]a we 23 New. and Chicago police, What kind of training are you referring
[513]& to, or do you know?
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[517]¢ 26 MR. MARCHETTL: That is just it. I.am not exactly sure
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