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[15]20 October 1961
[17]PEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
[19]SUBST: =Peeting with Dr. Kiro in hew York City on
[20]October 16, 1:6)
[24]The roeting with Dr. Miro on October 16 mia reatruned from 10100
[25]until such tine as bie sutlenca ten inated with Cantinsl Srellran, He
[26]artived at ry poor. nt wbiut 10150, He declared that the Cardinal had
[27]went when he leurned the detailu of the suffering of the Cubana at the
[28]huvia of Castros ceclurnd that the Archblahop of Miarl want doing
[29]@nough for the Cuban refiyseagy thit the U.Se wasn't doing enough for
[30]then; that Castro cust be overthrown, Piro told the Cardinal that in
[31]all Latin Arerica: there vere poing to le or;artred acts of syrpathy
[32]for the Cutan sufferers, The Cardinal said he vould aay a Mass for
[33]thes cn October 17. He invited Piro to soe tin at any thre..
[35]Miro anawered ry query as to the Lacerta ut(nirs by stating that
[37]“" {% waa very successfuls 2,/CO peonle vere Inalue the auditorium and
[39]another 1,000 peole outuides that Lacerca had recoiwed such applause,
[41]The inter-Arerican Press Assoclation affatrs sleo had given an
[43]opportunity to present the Cuban tragedy. He nai’ that te (iro) had
[44]tol? how Fidel had slot 31 people in Septe:ber alone, am other vetalley
[46]‘had descrided how Comwunier: was gaining groun! day by days tht dn
[48]Cuba thoy have Installed a powerful radio station broedcuating to Latio
[49]Arerica; that ten countries have Lruken with Cuba, but Argentina has
[51]nots that everybody Js cunfused.
[53]Re inforned re that aa for the dociwents relating to the Cuban
[54]plota {a Argentina, the Arpontine rilitary ren care to talk to Varom,
[55]and he gave them suone‘doourents that have no imvortance. The officers
[56]told Verona textually “ve have no confidence in the argentine Foreign
[57]Office,” nevertheless, when they arrived there, they turned over the
[58]doecurenta to the Foreirn Office, Mut these decurents had no innor tance j
[59]they were ccrely to .eronstrate that there hac been an extradition of
[60]decumanta, am’ that they vere ortyinala. The ii rortant cccurents are
[61]bold by Voronw in PMieni. ;
[63]Miro gaid they also visunliszed another act involving Lacerda in
[64]Miand, Dut Ubnat his “ad inistrative” buiget really does net “rovide for
[65]props -srda activities (such ag the Currert SIP ond Lacerva affairs). I
[66]countered that it was cunsidered that his budget tae sufficient for hip.
[67]to ecnduct sore propaganda activities; obviously nothing on a wajor
[68]scale —= but sore things, :
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[80]; Miro declared that internal provepancs and clandestine action in
[81]Cuba evuld not be delayed any longer. I szreed on the necnanity, and
[82]that 14 was believed that reasures are recessury to forrent in Cuba.
[83]the opzosition to Castro. "Tre 2e07le are egainat hiri" declared Fire.
[85]‘ wBut. increase it,” I anavered, Miro ties stated "If this action doesn't
[87]ster. fra tho Consejo (CRC) — not aa a: ‘independent agency, tut in.
[88]close euntuct with you (the Agency), — vhat we forrent is a oorplete
[89]disorder in Cuba, aml aftervards no zorernm ant can aucceed; secondly,
[91]Af we do ret have a central plan, enc carry it out vel] in a rore or
[93]lesa lirited neriod of tive, there w1i2 rerely be rore shooting of
[95]'. people (prisoners) by Fidel."
[97]"4:4 this ie my insistence, Ecw I ar ufrald to go to Miani. bhat
[98]an I ts tell the peonle there? What co J 07 Converse? Yeanwhile the
[99]Agency ceeps on infiltrating poople into Cuta but disconnected frox. the
[100]Counei2. I was told in ry conversaticn vith the President to snplity
[101]the rentershiip in the Consejo, I rave endeavored to do that. Ia the
[102]Coureil there are other proat organizations - dolegates from each of the
[103]organizations - that ask me for aria, cyrecite, things, and Iu tere.
[104]powerless, Therefore I rust work wit” y~s people in order to seo Lov
[105]We nay terd over arms and @ plan of actian 20 they ray see that this le
[106]not rerezy an endlosa serios.of satotaze actions." I reolied, "ell, I
[107]Delleve that a wolleworked~out plan ‘zet al.cve yood chances cf euccess
[108]will te favorably considered.” — - . ; :
[110]"How about arza for the Escartrey?® ssked Miro. I replied that
[111]it was rz understanding that arms for tte Escarbray eould only be
[112]landed on the North Coast; how then wil: they ret to the Escarbrey?
[113]Miro said thet the boaf which had rand zany trips (working Sor You),
[114]vould Lave to establish corsuniestion an: find out vhen they would pick
[115]up the arra; what cannot be done “La aver’.& Osvaldo Ranires in this
[116]situatica of anguish becauue he is the only real regional foous of
[117]resistance thut there ja thera, and te tas teen really left ina desperate
[119]situation for three ronthe.
[121]I interposed that there ssered e2me uestion about the puper frou
[122]Ramirez 2eking for arms, whether it ws ve real thing, “Perfectly
[123]identified® ronlied Miro, "re assured thet it is perfectly identified and
[124]requests have come to ne through different channels asking for these arms.
[125]Tan still waiting now for a month and a kelf, All you have to do is tell
[126]us the reans of delivery, the neonle t< contact and then ‘eliver to our
[127]Cutans the urns, dynatite, fuses, I ar stil] waiting, end eriticisn (of
[129]Cubans against inaction) increases ca‘ly." :
[131]“311 the delegations of revolutictary groups in the Council 28% re
[132]for ares end reans for fighting. but I cannot rovide then anything,
[133]FMeamé.ile the Agency is infiltrating -eozie into Cubs without counting on
[134]the Corsejo for anything. This puta it inte an absurd position - merely
[135]a "courell vainted on the wall," I ave seid, "Look for someone else if » 4
[136]am not ecuaidered able to do the job tut we rust work. I have confidence
[137]4n the Agency, but I cannot work inttis feehion.®” :
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[145]*I'va asked for money for the clandestine groups. What have they aaid
[146]about that?" Firo asked, I revlied that there is a problem of the means of
[147]delivery, that the Italinn K bassy at present appeers undesirable. The
[148]Ambassador isn't thero. kell, we look Sor another reans; the Argentine =
[149]anything - those peonle need i: onay" ha countered, I have to carry out con]
[150]crete things,” he declared, "I'r now like a person in a aviering pool
[151]without water." "For three emi a half rontha I've struggled to maintain a
[152]revolutionary spirit. My rilitary reople ara waiting till I arrived and
[153]tell thez, "this ust be done, t must be dene. fothing yet! And without
[154]any slsn, I don't go anywhere; nowhere!
[156]"The other time I vent with ry oyes closed, through faith. Ke had a
[157]failure and the failure fell upon-res—T cannot preceed under such circur—
[158]stances in no way. I've aaked for-$50,000 to send in to the underground,
[159]The Russians are spending $400C,CO0 in propaganda and have leas than the
[160]U.S. ¥e srall not compronise the U.S, Tell me the way to send it in, The
[162]_Counail is to aid them, not rerely to conduct ceetings.”
[164]*On that roquest they beven't renlied anything?" he asked, I anewored
[165]that on this iter, I had made known Firo's desire, tut that so far nothing
[167]had been resolved,
[169]"I'm not corplaining," he stated, "but fort hree ronths I have beon
[170]asking fcr a con.ict withthe authority to resolve. Why? Because I'm
[171]getting novhere. when I return now I ehall be asked, "Kaw about 1t?" and
[172]must angwer, ‘You will have to wait because I buve ncthing.! and meanwhile
[173]the Agency keeps on infiltrating people into Cuba inderendent of the.
[174]Consejo, Let us go back. Without being in agreement, I cannot serve you.
[175]I have ro interest in presiding over a Council that is of no use,"
[177]I pointed out that the Council rust continue to exist, with him as
[178]ite presicent, aa the coordinating body uf the resistance rovexent, but
[179]that there sre certain difficulties in putting the student or labor activie
[180]ties unter the direction of the Council; that these groups are now functioning
[181]efficiently and that I trusted that he could see the croblers of completely
[182]changing their control, direction, and coordination. I added that I
[183]believed that he should know scwething of what they are doing and that I
[184]believed that should be kept inforred.
[186]"I know absolutely nothing," he replied. «hat cores to me ig fron
[187]these same individuals, I an not in agreement with that, I'm becoring ridte
[188]culous. Under these circumstances I cannot continus. I heve olanted the
[189]probler. of the underground, the probler. of the collateral organizations
[190](that he would like tc have in Council by teing their source of support
[191]and coerdinaticn), of the magistrates, and now you have seon whet ALABAU has
[192]done (proclaiming GARCEKAN ae president of exile government), tho ig work=
[193]ing with you people, and you have seen the reaction cf the State Departrent.
[194]Fow yosterdsy ALABAl’ is publishing political denunciations against the
[195]Council. I have discussed the mstter of the ragistrates with the C.1.A., I
[196]don't remenber the nae of the person. A month kas passed and the other
[197]magistrates (those with ALABAU) haven't been stooped (in their activities)
[198]and they haven't had elections as I requested to select another leacer.®
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[211]"The students are eontinuing their activities. I ‘belisve that I have
[212]soneti.ing in ry head aa 8 tesis for the determination of what shonld be
[213]discugsed in the Council vite re; -and in agresrent vith you; but these
[214]exioting circurstances, vitzcut any connection, rake it ‘so that I cannot
[215]continue the clandestine aid. To the first probler, I presented your reply,
[216]"ve shall pe." To the sev-o7 probler, the collteral osgenizations -«
[217]which continues the sana s5 *efores the third probler I presented, on arts
[218]to serd in, nothing. Tre fourt. probler, the nropaganca’ operation "Griets®
[219]that I shoved you, nothins." I reclied that on the latter I had discussed
[220]the ratter, that it ws, f elieve:, a auggention given to rir in the Departe
[221]rent of State. J .
[223]"If we don't rake crevezends and send arrs tr.to Cuta now, i's useless,"
[224]he declared. "And I canset rerain in ellence." I renlied that I telieved
[225]quite a bit of nropagarda wes teing conducted. "Yea, but. incependent of the
[226]Co:ncil, I CaNNUT iZ A PLF2iTI® “They (the Agency) keen on cealiny with the
[227]MRP, with the Unidad Revolusicrz rio, and they haven't ontered into the Council
[228]aipnly becausn they ara in cirect contact vith the Ayency. Thus it appears
[229]thet none of the oreblens ct I took up with you sore twenty daya ago have
[230]been resolved, and I'L) tate to take ancther solution. I'vant to know the truth
[231]if T'r not acceptable, ['11 lsave and witheut an; ecand?é shataouver. I have
[232]avalloved all the eriticte:, in ry own huuse, in allence, aa though I vere
[233]responsitle Zor everything, I curnot continue to do thisiend te doing nothing,
[234]IT carnot be a puspet! I neve n args to give." | ;
[236]He reiterated that metcing had bean resolved on any of tis requests and
[237]provesala, am! that he eclia't ecntinue thus, That he could quit, go to |.
[238]Puerto Kico as a profasssr, Re edécd te vould want te work with us. He then
[239]referred to the acts of Lumeréx in Mew York, which had cdat four thousand
[240]dollers, plua passare, 4 ricicuicus sur spend fron the sdzinistrative Budget.
[241]"Ke heve paid the psasare, ris living costa bere.” he said. ;
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[245]"Now I vo to Fiard where I have to face the organizations grouped into
[246]the Council, "Aira for ever;stere?” "I haven't any. All the organizations freee
[247]wheeling there which. don't wart to Join tovrether Lecause trey ere working
[248]directly with your people." Z asid this sas unfortumte and aske@ vhather
[249]there eculd nct te sore fomm.:* realizin. contacta with ther without neces-
[250]aarily channelizing their accrert ard direction tnrough the Council, such
[251]as ty forming a comnittea sierg the lines I had suger sted) in Vieni.
[253]: Miro then referred & the eereement resched in the nite House mesting
[254]with Fr. Goodvin, Mr, Koodwer’, vith -ertleren of the C.TLaA., and with lr.
[255]Hurvits. Firat, “inst he coly trim: that $s recocrdeed 19) the Consejo (CAC);
[256]Pr. iro isthe :erscen of cur ezrfidence and vill heave ac, ecr inistrative
[257]budget which he wil] contre? anc vill report Jater the extenses of coordina~
[258]tion, anc that any other excenses, cropasarda cr clandestine activity, will be
[259]paid by the Arency; for the trvilers of the orgarizationsl !n the Couroil there
[260]vill be a ccntact to assist in working out their solutions; that is to say,
[261]that their pretlers of toats am: arcs.” Another point waa}that in case there
[262]are organizations that dco act choose to Join tre Council, Pr. hiro will te
[263]perfectly Inforred in adtance of the ratters at hand anc will give his
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[266]authorination. Thet fa to say, it coat itabes 6 unifying control over the
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[272](CRC), Ihave seven, to work with you, with me, vith the peorle vho are
[273]going to carry out the activities, with the people that I designate.
[274]Mothing of that is teing done. Then what they want is to work alone.”
[276]. "I will not continus. I vill not continue fromthe! tine I return to
[277]Miem1. I have gone on for five ronthe, struggling. I cannot accept this
[278]aituation, I have tried to pull together those sroups asjasked in the
[279]White House. I haven't succeeded in frouosing any rore, because ~ I want te
[280]speak clearly in order to rerain good [riends alvays = beontive you huve
[281]prevented it. The stuventa havon'’t joined, not because of no political
[282]reason, but nerely tecause you aunport ther: directly. Preswably the idea
[283]1a that in thie way the seourity of this nation is better saferuarced,
[285]A Consejo waa desired to serva aa the coordiniting group and to provide a
[286]fecana by which the United States vould not appear toto intervening in Cuba.
[287]If there ia to be a Consejo, it nust have all the dignity of a Council.*
[289]“When I try to form a Council, grouping all elexents together, they
[290]don't Join because they are talxiny directly with yow people ~ and there
[291]1s an office for that rurpeso in Fiami ~ which deals with all the ren who
[292]want to work, tho vant to do things. This 1s all indevendent of tho Council.
[293]And some vork for a destruction of the Council, I eannot tolerate this, I
[294]have s gon vho is « erisoner; either I know the plana, and I knew the raneuver
[295]and tho problers that they are going to carry out, or I, when I arrive in
[296]Miami, will say, "Xo," and send word to washington, Let them do without Re
[297]There will be sonsone vho will subnit to these things, but not I."
[299]"And of the four items that pronised re to resolve, there
[300]shave not been resolved any, and I ‘find pyself in tha dark, And I as. very
[301]sorry. I am not going to corpreniae the security of this Nation, but
[302]neither an I going to conprorise the situation of these boya. khen they
[303]disappeared, lost their Lives, atc,, I waa contronted with "And you are the
[304]preeiuont of the Counvil.”® I carnot remaine in this ways."
[306]"I haven't been able to «roup together anything, I ‘us promised that
[307]the ragintrates vould all incorrorate together (into the Council), but
[308]that raacal ALADAU is working against the Council and Ihave reason to
[309]believe that he 4s doing it with Agency support, otherwise bow would he pay
[310]for his politio:1 denunciations." I resoonded, that [ telieved this could
[311]not be true, He shouted, "I have cxpreased ry position te you, and I want
[312]you to get an answer vhen you can. If thcsa vrotlers that I have set forth
[313]do not have an irmediate solution, IY & not’to kncw and to dispose of
[314]relative actions to be taken, then how, in view of ey situation, must I do.®
[316]He asked about the olan for clandestine sabotage action by corzando
[317]raid, that he had given us, anc what had core of it. I replied that he rust
[319], Pealize that the study of such a plan necessarily was alow and must be
[321]considered by rany. He said he was convinced that there was no intention of
[322]accepting such plans, ard that while now we diacuss such plana, we lose out,
[323]"I cannot accept this situation, nor would you,* : ; .
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[329]Ha then said that he could yo ahead ar! dissvlye, the Councit], and let
[330]@uch orpanization go ahead ant do aa It plecacd; that he couldn't preaide
[331]over a reaningless councils thet this ung not a threat, tut he vould step
[332]out. I reassured hi that he was bishly esteerod in Washington and [t vas
[333]necessary that he continue ag head oj’ the Council. He rerlied, "But they
[337]Hy raiteratrd that he had slanted four nrobleca, none of whieh had
[338]Woer resolved; reiteruted that io hed rlantid the Prone ance oroblen @
[339]long tira sgo, but that :ropagamia continues indeponcient ot the Counotl
[340]and peuple cra set out iike those to the Con-rusa of atuconts in Jao
[341]Favlo, Wiere they repeat t ings litho purrots wdeh don't go with Latin .
[344]"I have askad for arra; elthar give us ragsive ald, ona, two, three
[345]nillica © vhatevor is necessary, because this ia to udeatroy Conpiunias,
[346]and we'll rcke our plang, And we'll furnish the dead, fcr vo cen do no
[347]Fore. *e rust work in ayreerant, Lecauso new onch time that I speak,
[348]it's “we nkall seo, we are going to stints," - and nothing hapoens. No,
[349]no, T akall not oresice over another Council axiutin: under these cireun
[350]stances, I have often arent 24 hours without sleeping, trying to pull
[351]together the groupa, and neantize, robles arise on all eldes, Why?
[352]Becauze so lony as other prousa et surcort, they won't enter the Couneil,
[353]Tha Mi? is in contact with you and getting array now the Unidad Rovolu-
[354]Clonario, 1 rerain the ridiculous ons, Alroady I've ‘aufforcd a lot and
[355]heve a son who ig a priuoner, And J've talked a lot during theay dsya,
[356]and I xeen on being « puppet, vat worse than 4 puoret, becuuse a vuppet
[357]is woved, tut I'z not even never."
[359]"Therefore, I say to you that the grouns that want to vork with us,
[361]you, the chief of that grou:, end I, va cought to rusolva all these queatdonsa 3
[363]for eyazcle, with the chicf of the nilitary croup, beennsze he hag pulled
[364]together the profassicna) arry ard whe rebel arvy (elerents) and the army
[365]of iikeration, such us Varela, Sotus, Nino und the boys, sho have core
[367]' from the brigade." He declared that STIS Jaa fighter, is willing to
[368]: Yeturn to Cuba, ard that he had grest conficonce in SOTUS, an
[370]T assured hir that the legalization of SOTUS! residence would be
[372]“arrange, and that ¥r. Burvits inforred ne tht he believed sorothing
[374]could be done for the other three returnees vl-ose nares fr. Firo had
[376]» gives se.
[378]Dr, ¥iro reiterated that he rust speak clearly, that he could not
[380]continue thus es a travelling presicent without having anything to give to
[382]his peocle — nothing to the undoryroun! through Council] action; ner could
[384]"he be ignorant of plans which he ornoved where Cubans yo out to dis, and
[386]then Lavirg their relativos core to li: as responsible. He declared, *I
[387]don't want to Live on a budget, reside over on adr iniatrative office,
[389]: Feceive oeorle, tell ther lies, saying, "We whall see.* The ren vho are
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[402]here (in Council) representing organisations rust know sopothing of what
[403]they are going to do and if they ask for 40 rifles, I pust be able to say,
[404]"Hore they are® ~ not to give arms dfrectly into their hands = hut through
[405]& contact for this, Othervies you people muke your plans, and I'l] retire
[406]from ovorything. And be assured that never, never vill I say a single word
[407]againat the Agency or tho United States, never} nor exuluin reasons which
[408]ahouldn't te exlained, :
[410]"If I cannot have the responsibility that I should have, I ahull not
[411]lend ryaelf to what ray result in a trapady. None of the problema I have
[412]planted have been resolved; not -that of the reyistratea nor that of the
[413]Eucambrey, nor the roney to the underground, haa boon renolved, not the
[415]“plan of propagamia that I gave you. I cannot continuo to sit in an office,
[417]While you continue operating, aa you wiah, with ry silont ounsent. You may
[418]chevsh sozmone else like Mr. Godoy, who 4a asking for arms, Choooe and
[419]seo vhothor his nare will save Cuba. You aro noing to create another Fidel,
[421]Who 1a nothing.
[423]T repinded him that I had my talks with hin. only ton daya tefore, not
[424]twenty, and thot I could talk to no cna in Washington until a week ago and
[425]had to have rany conversations with pany people, and that his proposals
[426]could not be resolved In such a short tire. He returned ta the ayrecront
[427]that "plana of action be discussed jointly; that it thore were objectiona,
[428]that the cbjoctiona be discussed. He said thero had been no objections so
[429]fer to discuds; nor objections to propaganda plans. He vas to have contact
[430]with o representative of C.I.A. to meet with representatives of orgunigae
[431]tions that want to collaborate, and with Dr. Piro = nothing developed on
[432]that He declared that he should have knowledge of the notivities of
[433]thone that don't vant to collatorates and eald euch day there will te nore,
[434]becaune they vant to cain the power for therselves, to act on their ow
[435]aconnt, He said he knous there luo "Jim* and a "Robert" and others that
[437]are doing thinge,
[439]T assured bir he cust realize that there were 1any probleme involved
[440]in his proposals ani that tire was essential to work then out, I rerinded
[441]hiv, of Lia conversation with kr. Goodwin and the lattera! etate: ent to the
[442]effect that thera could be no thought in the foreseeable future of a milie
[443]tary operation against or invasion of Cuba. Miro countered by referring Ww
[444]hie oonverastion with the President on 1¢ July and hia (Miro's) complaint
[445]of inactivity, He said the President prorosed the recruiting of Cubans in
[446]different units of tho arry for training so aa to utilize ther: at the
[447]opportune tine, ani that the officers would be invited to our nilitary
[448]achiole, Miro said he had xuthered soce of the military toyether and ine
[449]forzed them of this cffer, and tho next woek he was: culled to discuss the
[451]‘recruiting, wich he avproved, Ther General Herahey went to see tim at
[453]his house, telling hlz thet Cubans wouldn't be sent, to Berlin or any such
[454]place but kept in the U.3, uvailuble for use later, kiro said, “It there
[455]is to Le no invasion, then let's utilize the underground, which needa arns
[456]and roney.® | , ; ;
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[469]He again repeated, “Thure rust te rasaive oroparanda; asoondly arr.as ,
[471]we shall furnish the dead, but I need to z10v Mitow are we going to die,® _ _—
[473]He commented that he was going to ask that his photorraph not be put on ; t
[475]going to continue; that in the present cire-zetancesa he didn't see how ke
[476]could continue. Again I urged that Le rust do oo, ord that I felt certain .
[477]that ve could moolve sure of hia provosals, nrobubly not to the extent
[478]that he desired, but at least in purt, but that tine was necessary to. :
[480]accomslish this, ;
[482]He repeated that the Gounoil reels to Fave sire sotion taken in Cuos,
[483]tut the Agency koens on uncertaking actiora withoul any connuction vith
[484]the Council. Further, that he must have the raann fur ecnuuctiong prope
[485]yanda, auch os out)ined in the "Operaticn Grieta,” He askod,so when could
[486]I give him sore arovers, I replied that during the current week I expected
[487]to have reotings in which thess ratters wuld Le discussed ~ the Lepartent
[488]of State, with Kr. Goodwin, with representatives of the Agency, and that I
[489]hoped thut scrething would te resolved, but that he must realize that rany
[490]people are Involved in auch matters and solutions are rot reached quicrly.
[491]fle reiterated that ho had to keep tolling 1.13 organizations Frait a Little
[492]longur® and that thia vas. becoming ouburrassing. : ;
[494]Ther he brought up hia preposal of having Fim and the Council] go to
[495]Cubs, saying “porhang it would be arvanteyeous thst T die in Cuba; that
[496]the Council usk recojmition fror. Cuban 40/1 ond the military aid of the :
[497]United Statea —- all to take place within 42 ours, Ho added, “I have i
[498]told you of the reuction of Cardinal Sreliran, °¥o heve dons very badly
[499]in the Cuban affair.* .
[501]I recinded hir that despite the urgency timt we all recoynized in the
[502]Cuban situation snd ita threat to the Urited States and sll the Acericas,
[503]thera are rany other world problera - Laoa, rerlin, ates, - wileh also
[504]occupy the attention of our yoverrront cacnle,
[506]Then I said I wished to take edvantag. of cur reeting to ask him for
[507]information relative to his current budevts; first, did he believe that
[508]there vere any neonle recoiving « eslery Sru the Couned] wo might alsy
[509]be getting financial ald fror H.E.«, He wid, "Ko, £ vould never parr it
[510]that," Then he declared that he had two ways of oper:.ting when ho obsorted
[511]the perscnnel of the virioua oryanizations ints the CrCy; elther te cut off
[512]their salaries auidonly, ur to put ther te worn for their cay; thot tre
[513]"norina"® (payroll) erew a little Lit Leceuse be had to take in certain
[514]neovle, and that he considered t.4s ubsorbing them was secor ing to the
[515]rolicy of C.I.A. Then he declared that the roxieu vererit recelvad by ,
[516]refugees tron H.F,W. waa $160 per fac tly cer rontr, an: that no vhere tere :
[517]could a farily live o. a huwred a ronth. Hence, be did not feel that he '
[518]could cut off the peovle on the staffs of the cit organizations, and send
[519]ther. to the H.E.W, ‘Therefore, they vere sacigred to the different
[521],
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[533]"The money for the uncerground 1a Puch and contact fo doubtful, an
[535]‘excuse. The problem of Cuba costs a lot of zerey! The people of the
[537]Escanbruy = it's difficult to deliver arma to them? But we are going to
[538]run that cisk. The urra sre guing to be lost? “ell, risks punt le taken.”
[539]Hire aguin referrod to the groups that didi't want to collaborate with the
[540]Couneil but would collaborate directly vith the Arenoy atating that he
[542]had opvesed it and util) oppesed Lt; ‘that he recoived a very affecttonate
[543]letter ssking hin to try vork out all the croblors tetveen us ond accept
[545]u solution, an! that a recrosentative woul be destynated to work with hing
[546]that I had aupeared un:t he had spent two very pleasant days with re; that
[548]I wan vory undarotanding; that trent; dayn had pessed of creat avztety.
[549]("lot twenty but ten," I inter~oaed,) He avid he figured that probably ha
[550]right have arta and hein Cor the underfround ant Yrow about nlang of ection
[551]and had felt stremzthened, "But" he sald, “now I tual knocked down, hone
[552]of the clang or propsgania provossls hava been sccopted, rone. The firing.
[553]wall in Cuba continues functioning, 31 dead in 3%) days. by resiynation has
[554]been written long ago, und Y am ready to sulr it it as ooon ag I return to
[555]Miari, ;
[557]I declared that he rust not do that, that he rust have pationes., that
[558]it takes tine to resolve these things; He replied that he has been waiting
[559]oince April und rentioned oJ] the sufferin« he Lad gone through, attacks
[560]by everyons, rothers of prisoners ami dead, the Arericaon Press, Forture,
[562]Time, Lifo, New York Tinea, etc., all against tin vlog: with ALABAU Trelles, —
[564]and othoras and that he had auvnorted 012 of trie in uilonce. He had been
[565]asked it it were true thet there wae no air sus-ort and hall not answered,
[566]"the other tire I kept my 1ips closed with atsslute raith, the noxt tire I
[567]ofall] huve ry eyes open and have rany questions. I don"t unceratand how
[568]you people can deal with sore of thove unknown Cubans, .
[570]He said, "I've given many vroofs of loyalty to you. What they attribute
[571]to me the other day in Miari that "thero would be an invasion in a few
[572]daya", that 19 not true. I have a tape recording of what To satd Ulich vas
[573]"very soon (without ventioning any date) in Cuba there would be unveiled
[574]tho great Pascuss (resurrcetion) of the Fatharlerd, and the presa hus rise
[575]interpreted Puscuss us the Pascuan do Nevidet (Ciriuteas).
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[579]"Thus the prani cones out with staterents attrituted to Dr, Piro that
[580]the invasion will take place by Chrintras, cornletely a lie and nothing
[581]Aike whut I soid,® I conceded to Pr. 1 iro that fe had suffered a trerendous
[582]nunber of attecks in silence and thut the prasa bec over a perjod of tine
[583]core out with critical re:arks. I asked his. tf he planned to pass-through
[584]Wastiington before returning to Miami and he sais he didn't have money for
[585]such expenses; that tis wife was terribly vorried about thelr son, but
[586]that he would have to reiuin in New York unt}1 Wednesday to atterd the
[587]luneheon for all the editors of the Latin A: erican press, who want to con-
[588]verse with him, to help with propagands but wittcut costing the U.S. a ,
[589]cent, Lf .
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[601]cormissions within the CRC1 finance, propaganda, clandestine, rilitary,
[602]organisation, etc. The ~nes vho ere ro xood or don't want to vork, he
[604]said, he vould cut off, but that he couldn't Just fire screone auldenly,
[605]He then said saluries wero srall @ $200, §225 per ronth.as ean average
[606]except for particular individuals, such aa hie ussietant Aragon, a very
[607]capable persen,and the chiefs of the various organizations who work "full
[608]tire" and receive $400 each; further that he planned to give each organiszae
[609]tion approximately §700 per nonth for their operating expenses, eomo lens, |
[610]some a little rore ~ (MRR, Reocute, 30 de Nov, 26 de Kayc, AAA Indenend=
[611]Jontoe, Kontecristi). . _ ; Poo
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[615]Won I questioned whether the bonteoriat1 orvanizaticn waa util] in
[616]the ChC, he said it. was, that only Justo Carillo had dropred cut of the
[617]Ce but the croup rerained in and had a new head. He added that he had
[618]just had a requost from Carille to provide hin (Carille) with a thousand
[619]dollare; that Carillo had photographie copies of sore checks thit he had
[620]paid.to Waldo Frank for propaganda activities against Cuba and that
[621]Carillowad asking roimburserent but Kiro said he didn't ounsider he had
[622]to give it to Carillo. .
[624]Returning to the budget, Miro Said, "There are the verlous erployoeas
[625]there is tho item of trips; there are the military jeople grouped under
[626]tha military cormisaion ~ I cannot let the. sufver risery. There sre no
[627]studenta on the payroll beceuse they are being su;parted by you (the
[628]Agenoy). And right there a difference ia eatublished betveen those in
[629]the Council and those who recoive money (ros the Agenay directly, which
[630]fe more than that received by ry peonle, Sea how you (the Ayency) with-
[631]out intending to, and for reapong of iusecurity, ara going to destroy
[632]the Council," He then stated that ho had placed Alvarez Viaz, who had
[633]been Ninioter of Finance, in charge of finance rattera because he (Miro)
[634]could not be everywhere, andto rake certain that no exienaes were paid
[635]on whioh they were not in agreeront, and which Paula would carry out.
[637]t
[639]3 querried whether Paula vould continue as accountant, ani Miro sald,
[640]"certainly, ag accountant." He said that everyone hana been coring to him
[641](Mire) with all kirdo of pleas for money and therefore it was necessary
[642]to have Alvarez Diaz in hore so that he and Poula night resolve the finances
[643]matvera., Miro added vorda of praise for Paula, "It's like I want to have
[644]for each section of the Council, like I wanted Conte! Aguero to handle
[645]propaganda, tut since he ia receiving money from you {the agency) he
[646]doesn't want to. I have to have soreone ta take this load off of re; firat
[647]as in Naval affairs, soreone to lock for boats, arma, etc.”
[649]I asked about Festre for proparanda and Miro replied that hestre is
[650]no good, never wa of value; that he had Leen put ini charze of the prooa-
[651]ganda cormission previously and given $4,000 ronthly, but had done nothing.
[652]Then he launched into a criticiar of the Swan propayands; thut it was a
[653]shee, handled by Batistianos: Fernandes VARELA, a Catholics Suares
[654]Hermandes, a senator in the epoch of Ratista. He nazed another (sounded
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[664]like Chau Miller) a tad person and n Batiutero. Fire‘ seid ha had asked
[665]that Svan le stoped but, since they vork directly, theas people ore
[666]‘efended. He addad wryly that ho winhed they (the Agercy) would defend
[667]him (Viro) that way. :
[669]He said thoy (the Aveney) had posed the oroble: five zonths ago in
[670]Miarl relative to Jonquin, Sager io, 8 Cuhan who wea working with the
[671]Counei2 and has worked regrificently, but then he accepted work with the
[672]€.1,A. and continuss doing this (ar! doa vhotever he rlusien)  intele
[673]livenca, array, recr.iting, ate, -~ and wilt have notl.ing to do with the
[674]Council, © :
[676]Again Miro declared thut ke had the hivhest regard for Paulo and
[678]couldn't deanonse vith hdr 5 had ‘even propowd bis nare to be the lagtstrate
[680]of the Tribural of Accounts Inthe futuro poverrment of Cuba, I udded
[681]by uderstardins that Peslo had dono an excellent job, oarticulerly
[682]sentioning his bandling of paying cerender.ta, a roticulous and arduous
[683]task, Hiro exciaired that he had never ecnsicercd renlacing Paula but
[684]poroly needed Alvares Diaz to handle details with Pavla. He antd every=
[685]tne in lant iowa 14 is Pula vho has the porey to rake paynents by
[686]check, and that he thought 1% wuuld bo better for the jeople to get pay=
[687]tente in cash and alyn a receiot; that scretines awacse right rob Paula
[688]and then people will suk “fro: where docs this reney evte,* aince the
[690]Cubano hava no romney.”
[692]Then Dr. ¥iro said he would like to clarify any doubtful questions,
[693]asked whether he had reveived an; other coemunication fen the Escambray
[694]sroup, He revlied thet Le had rot, but that the ons iad core through the
[695]Montecriotd ¢roun ani they continued to aek Kir. for this arna ald. I
[696]asked whether any chanics oradditions had bean rade jn the Counei] at the
[697]October 10th neeting, He replied that the MRP had not answered hia ine
[698]vitation bucause they wore working with the Agency, and that the new
[699]group, the Union Revoluclonario, had relied that they did not, tecause
[700]tmy have a celogste In taslington who is seeking clreet contact with
[701]U.8. Goverrsent Agercies, . :
[703]Miro then caclared that in order to call a Council reeting, he had to
[704]have a press cunfarerce or a présa rolense (about calling a CHC recting)
[705]but Prio, ALAKA!, and everyLody wero tgainat oll tiie, and were doubtful
[707]- Whether to core or sot to cove. "7 talked with Conte aguero and with Are
[709]rellano pany hours. Arreliann is a fwhrer; if things eren't done aa he
[710]wants, he won't co slong, Mornover, he has « strong anti-American
[711]sentinont, I talked to ther, but they said, "Ko." "There were two
[713]proble.as their lack of confidexce in the Covernmert, and ry contradictory
[715]view that wo want to be with them (with 0.5.), I woula like to have had
[716]to call a Council reetiig alrost ty force, Therefore I cecided to have
[717]ro meeting and no press conference, and to some here (to Kew York City).
[719]There vaa no session */ i
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[731]"The [astistianos ure very veil orgarized and «lao the Frio followers,
[732]waiting for re to do sorething, and I cannot do anything. I'r Like St.
[733]Lavrence, roasted on une sida and fried on the other.” ;
[735]I asked whother the Cou:o1] waa looked ton too ruch as a political
[736]entity rather than a unifying: nediwn., Miro reclied, "Thove pecple (Prio,
[737]Alabau, ete.) want to obstruct the ones who are fightin; Castro through
[738]the redium of the Counet}, They are divided into two creurs: (1) .
[739]Politiciarss Prio, Alonso Pujol; thosn thut vart to te the directors;
[741](2) The sroupa that want to act within Cuba vho don't vant to Join CRC
[742]but rather to deal directly with you neonle in order to have the power
[743]tomorrow in Cuba; necple only of action, byt sot of corzon sense and who
[744]eannot rean ruch to the future of Cuba; uldey would cause another era
[745]like that of Fidel, sho is rothing but a otucent. That‘is extrerely
[746]dangerous, You give these pneosle the resns and if one of them over-
[747]throws Fidel he 1s the one wio assumes power, He ray be a good ran of
[748]action but only 24 or 25 years old ani not one who can orlent Cuba in
[749]the way of derocracy, After roarhing 40, reople think difterently.
[750]Fighters are capable of curry ing cut the action you give ther to do, but
[751]hot to govern. 7 ; _
[753]Dr. Miro continued to cwell on iis concern as to the future if these
[754]young fighters are given a free hand to co as thoy plesse; that care rust
[755]be taken as to who 1a sunvorted, that these people are the onea vho don't
[756]want to work with us; that the tkP hopes that it will be the ore vho will
[757]lead tororrow In Cubas that onos of the future wil] be eorething te which
[758]yeu the U.S. has conteitonted by suprorting such clerents.
[760]Dr. Miro cormented in further detail his views and again ha tered on
[761]the ranner of uning funds to avoid being like the ostrich. "Everyone
[762]knova where the money 1s coming fror ani io hava to be careful of the
[763]form, Lveryona dood rot know of you, but of where the help is coming
[766]"Wo are the pulitices of the war ugainst Castré," affirmed Pr. Mires
[767]Let acilitury ren function as chief of: staff as lony aa the rilitary action
[768]against Castro continues, but then the civil action must be carricd out
[769]by nonerilitary ren,” . ,
[771]He added that durin the softeniny-un action against Castro, re
[772]rust take good care of the ranner in whieh th. .ction is tsxen to avoid
[773]exrosing the 1,5, suv-ort; and that he consicered that the colluteral,
[774]incependent groups were not safeguarding it; ao wo are losing tlre now
[776]as you (U3, Apencies) deal with each. of those crours, Arc be rust not
[778]lose, we rust win,
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[791]I told Lr. Viro that I vas anxious to werk out sone ranner of linkirg
[792]these groups vith ir. Miro an! the Council, witrout having to channel '
[793]direction and funcs through Dr. Miro, since these groups are now function= :
[794]ing well uncer «xisting arrangerente.
[796]Dr. Miro a-4d he would te rlessed to meet with ther outside of the
[797]Council, and they ray continua to function as collateral oryanizatiors
[798]independently; tut that they realize that they tsve one: direction. Cr.
[799]Firo ad:'ed treat like the independent magistrates with their attitude <<
[800]they are injuring the Council.
[802]Dr. Firo carented that he wanted the raziatrates to have on electicn
[803]and select their leacer according to the resuits of a vote. He reiterated
[804]that all the ecllcweral organisations runt orerate within the orbit of tz.
[805]Councils and tzat be would be glad to discusa with ther their opinions
[806]just as he es « srcefeszor had cone with stuerts--cften times resulting
[808]in excellent ifesa end viewpoints.
[810]Then I ractionad that I had read in one of our magazines a laucatcry
[811]item describirg nis cercnstrated capabilities as a redlator botween .
[812]political greunsz and individuals. ~ \:
[814]Dr, Mire again returned to his belief tiut funds of all organizations
[815]should funnel threugh the Councd] because every Cuban has a sense of seell
[816]that inclines {2 to go wheres he knova the money is discensed; that thia ts
[817]sad but trues aod that those who are still outside and hope to get direct
[818]support, jithey mew that the roney was here (in bie banda), would core
[819]running without urging. He then said that he had seven hundred collars,
[820]more or lesa, for each organization's operating sxpenses. He concluded a
[821]by asying that »e didn't wish to cperate without us (Agency) or without
[822]any of the Avency omonle, but merely desired to pull tegether the diverse , b
[823]groups and otter activities, ‘ 2
[825]He then referred to hio conversations with Mr. Berle and General
[826]Taylor, and ris view expressed to them that in the April affair he felt
[827]that the Agerey %2¢ functioned more or leas effectively -— soretires -
[828]their people kad teen “rough”, or "tough", but that he Lad no complaint;
[829]that the lack of efr cover no doubt caused defeat. hen he had been
[830]querried by recerters and other on specific questicns designed to pry
[831]Becrata out of nix, he had replied, "2 didn't see ther,® or siriliar
[832]evaaiongs, and thus had endeavcred to be loyal to us. :
[834]He naié his son had been certain that hia father would be with the
[835]expediticnary force, and, in route to the Bay of Piga fror Guaterala
[836]the son had searched for hir. on fhe boats, and was disillussioned because
[837]his father wasn't there. :
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[847]Again he ercphasised his view that the stuconts sent to Latin Anerican
[848]countries on cropaganda rlesions should be indoctrinated by veople in the
[849]Ceuneil to prepare them for the cross exuining that they would undergo,
[850]and thereby prepare them against trans and foolish statortntss and to
[851]insure that no Batista suoporters vere sent out. He erphazised that one
[852]of the iret questions asked of these provaganca er-issuries would be
[853]"hith what roney do you come here?" “shat Yankeo organization is behind
[854]you." He added, "The peorle have to be will vreoared. to answer; Just ag
[855]I bad to wergo a succession of penetrating questiona when T first vent
[856]into exile in Argentina and could answer ther without hesltation because
[857]of a clean record. .
[859]Again he came buck to his urgurent that the collateral organizations
[860]should function through the Council = nok "forgetting the Agency, tut not
[861]being forzotten by the Agency." I told Dr. Miro that I honed during the
[862]course of the week to have a nerios of conversations inthe course of
[863]Which certain decisions and colutiona vould te reeched that would enable
[864]me te sit dow with him the following veek and work out sore cetetls on
[865]propaganda and other ratters,
[867]Sr, Miro thon asked, "How best canthe security of this nation be
[868]insured © the Agency dealing directly with thoae peonle or working with
[869]the: through Miro?" And he erchasized that he vag concerned toth with
[870]the security of Cuba and of the United States, and that these people
[871](Cubans vith whor. the Ayency Je dealing «irectly) at any morent vhen
[872]they Zelt they were losing out or were not sufficiently paid = would
[873]ask for more, and, being Cutans, right ba very indiserete; but that Lf
[874]ther had to deal with Miro they gould be obligated to go to big with
[875]their corolaints., He said thit just aa a bew seeking awects will go to
[876]any source, but if there is crly cne sourco it will go to that ones and
[877]that thus all grows ust look to the Council, :
[879]again Dr. Miro returned to hia thesia that soonor’ or luter there rust
[880]be war to overthrow Castro, and that Cutans and Arericans rust realize
[881]this; that as a preliminary the Cubuns must carry out sabotaye, ate.,
[882]but Just ua blockades didn't overthrow Franca or Fussolint, reither would
[883]they cause the fall of Castros further that if suborage wae conducted vithe
[884]out being a part of an uvera:] plan of cissions, the people insides Cuba
[885]Would come to react adversely to the sabotage and align therzelves with
[886]Castro. .
[888]fe then excreserd his view that tine Is teing sadly waated in trying
[889]to trins the Latin areriven countries into agreerent with the U.S, against
[890]Castrc, because, uncortunately, cary are ruled by dictators and they fear
[892]‘Concerted action against therselves, but if the U.S. attacks and destroys
[894]Castro they will avplaud. Arain he repeated that the Punta del Este
[895]agreerent Bight well cause rany countries to say, "Thank you Fidel, and
[897]not, thank you Vr. Kennedy.” .
[899]Dy. Miro emphasised that he vanted to collaborate vith us fully. Thea
[900]the conversation turned te the dissolution of the FED by Varona, and Dr.
[901]Firo declared that this steo was difficult for-Varona, to take because he
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[913]hat Laen ita cheef and in a kigh nosition and had thua subrltted to the
[914]Council, He declared his asteer. for Varomi, a very brusque ran hut very
[915]heneat. Ho oid Vurona had declared with rearoct te tho Argentine
[916]doceants thit, "They are in Miami, I don’t feol like sending ther to
[917]Argentina because they don’t belong to Arrentinn. They telony tothe
[918]tlefsttat fe Castro, Argentina has ciploratic relotiona with Cuba and
[919]if 1% feels like it, will send the docurents to Cuba.* Vurcona declared
[920]in the SIP that the Ar-entin military cen had deceived him because,
[921]having stated that they didn’t trust the Arcentine Foraiyn Oi fies, they
[922]nevertheless took to irventine the throe docuents thit wero fivea to .
[923]ther an: upon urrival turned ther over to the Foreign Office, ¥iro
[924]edded that Verona stated t'4a clearly in the SIP reeting where two
[925]Argenting deleyaten wore vrerent. ‘ihey said, ®, ithout rentioniny nares,
[926]Tnct.r, Go you declare tlie Lefore the 3IP7™ Yes, I declure 1%," be
[927]replied, "ert they shut up. : :
[929]Hiro aided that Varons had declared last nihl, "Let then give us
[930]ara t finish off with Castro, hut give ther to uml Whoevur has then,
[931]give ther. to usl Dr, Miro then deolarad, “Fo «re willing to diserburk,
[932]but here wo era Just vlayiny: | ide end seek.” :
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[937]le. Firo then reforred to his view that Ifarto Ue lee Avertenns
[939]‘should receive 6 orsil subsidy; thet sovetimes it oubliahed articles
[941]unfavorable tothe 3. but thet uaually, und ir subsidized, vould elininate
[942]adverse iters, : i :
[944]Trem I returred to the subject of the bulzet und concern hat eae on
[945]the Cow:e!l nayroil right also te on HLE.L, payroll. flo replied thet tor
[946]Octerer by would have thor swear that they vere receiving no other toney
[947]are Pererkes that rary ara on the cayroll, He enwersted the different
[948]nectisns ~ delegations in Latin Arerican counteses, cach persun (tvo or
[949]three et rost in each country) raceived only erough to Live crizy without
[950]opersting funda, Iie said eaci, chief of organization:in tha Council received
[951]8460, "which {8 vary little,* :
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[955]He addes that during the neat tonth with funda lert over, he had ser.t
[956]to Fexfeo $3,509 because go 6 245 noorle had arrived jthere In need and
[957]bungry.s He anid C.I.A, aided with £5,000 una he iad sent $2,005 because
[958]trey were Cutara, Further, that re had crovide.! auch organszablon with $700
[959]for ita expenses cf iailiny, offic a, cur, ctc,, but thst tals wasn't a
[960]fleed sur. He added thet whatever ves left over he wuted to send ty Cuba
[961]t those vho re fighting there, ,
[963]He coclared , "As fore they car reduce tha tuizet to the ininum
[964]orovided that thay send ings to Cubes but ry ~roblers rust be resolved.
[965]This tayroll was -rorised to re vhen I was rave vrestiert of tha Council,
[966]and I didr't create it.® ' :
[968]wae t
[970]as Ba ;
[972]14-0000
[974]- Vasona renilea, "Resipn.® {
[976]“was ao good tecauste be wanted to anenc the anole day. ot
[978]reece.
[980]Na |
[981]| olb-.
[983]: s§ jueretet ‘stent the exnenses 2 of tis recrultzert aectlon, ane he sald
[984]be Mad told Pauls to elizinnte that iter sicce reerulting {a now dene elso=
[985]ere, but the rildtory reraonnel in reeraitios should grouved in the
[987]rilitery 90 thet sure form of intelligence sgency could be paintained to
[988]nrowhie information. :
[990]Ho affirret that hig rilitery stat cally constetbd of three officers
[991]iTarele, Deraigrea, ‘Yontenpwlo) tub thet they bad excenbon of of fico,
[993] tranmortatien, 2 sseretarial beln, Aa fer “is Socio} halfare aoction,
[995]be said this ta¢ Leen established by °.5.4. at bas ancpsoary for disrange
[996]ing rediainos, etc., for Uutan ce tuzees bere.
[998]Ra declared tet he nada't touched any of the nik ‘gen (inl-erited
[999]Srve FRO) excact overating exvanses, In onisr to give hie. a rer¢in of
[1000]AzJds to uset .2.foreacen urgent exponseds
[1002]Wo said, "I ‘old ruuda to elininate sll that could te olizinateds
[1003]j
[1005]saturally ha wae Nave to corault with yous" (Apency) !
[1007]Relative te the Raval cecticn he sate Le clanned ub elininate the tr
[1008]exrense alloverce Git ot the a:eticn itesif, because he duo: » {t essential
[1009]fer ratterau suet ag sending sara to Cul, since they oakiot be gent by
[1010]air; an! that an office ia necessary for them but their, [6XPONBOS rust ba
[1011]out oft slowly. ~ . j
[1013]Ag for the vector! section videh bal teer ¢ercated batorw, ‘a satd
[1014]gely two “eutiicdee® (casualtt« a) rerafire: asi that thejsectlun was to be
[1015]eilzinated. He ceiteratod that these seeticng had been |erented by us
[1016](Agency) und that they could only be ele insted sraduallys
[1018]He aff frret thet thers wis Jeft Sor his use only 26r8 eleven or
[1020]“teette thougand dollars for catters sur’ ss attentence dt the SIP und
[1022]Iscenta affaira, ani such cinor cropises.is acrairs, but|that be felt
[1023]be should have rectored to his the funis Jor crapaganda |(that hed Leen
[1024]gcing through Mestre),
[1026]I agsured Hie that dt was certainiy ¢: tence that the Propayanda
[1027]tertsaion iow function under his as the resagarca ssetion of the Council
[1029]cand thet tf bestre vos rut co:siderec to te tts eter, that te should
[1031]desivuate wecre elge,. He ceclared that teatry vas in Rew York, hed
[1032]talae! to Varun: yestemiay, tnd asked Varoce shat he ahguld de, to hich
[1034]|
[1036]Niro the: ssid he would lke to mut corte Avuero in ag head of
[1037]prcagundn Lut tat Conte would cot apres wie ss oe told hir to. Piro
[1038]mesthoned that tre start which Mestre hac -as very good frat that Pestre
[1040]svire ing pool.
[1041]Ee wentioned arre? del Cerra, ferrin | Pednaces. vutes farvo Rurbaud. He
[1042]paid ang~l del Carry vouli te a good abies 25 -ropaga: ae but that for
[1043]tia te would also like 4 geod adviser suc. ia Conte, WO really is no
[1044]BON excert to telks tat would like to be rrvealdest. iro said
[1046]AST
[1047]erst
[1048]Wofatae
[1050]14-0000
[1052]. er,
[1054]a
[1056]_ be returning to Hiant on secnesday after the Freas luncheon, ..
[1058]Hurberto Medrano, a resortar, also Would io pood to direct cropagante:
[1060]offerte, tle added tat bestro, chief of tropaganos tor the rit, wich no — ,
[1062]longer exists, 1a tho one v1.0 continues recaivin, the proparsica funds
[1064]Troe. Poula, lie declared that he (Miro) didn't control these funds; that |
[1066]he didn't have anything axcent a bureaucracy. =
[1068]I told idm that YF es.efdered this probler of propagaida se-ticn and
[1069]its ereraters vhould te eorrceted right away. Ne added that be felt that
[1070]RaAty Swan should be pb unier the sropaiyarzda agection ef the Councils
[1071]furtrer, that the propeparca sectjon tad to quit sacding printed ratter
[1072]t we Lotin arerican e.urtries and instsad yond a Cusmit to med country
[1073]85 wrt they could le printed thera with the terms used in cach countrys
[1075]in Acyuntipey in Arpontire style; in Gruzil, in tortugueses in’ .
[1077]Parara, in the rannor of e-cuking in Farurag that such sropspince rust
[1078]te aid fur. He affirved. thet llumterto Medrano wa a yreat reporter and
[1079]hard wrker and could hamwle thin vell; that Purtin Peinado wie & fine
[1080]worker vio now is having = struggle to Live, but works well ot sropaganda
[1082]tatters, :
[1083]eK that. the propaganda funds should pass throug? his.
[1085]control, and that I-wegte take this up ucon ry ret.rm to haahineton.
[1086]Again he declared that he felt clans rust te rade Cor tim and the Counell ©
[1088]return to Cuba. I said this vas a ratter tor the future.
[1090]ve tercinated our reeting with my steterent that it would nrotebly
[1091]not te till the following week whan I would return to Miani, after
[1092]getting ratters resolved in ‘eshington. Je suid that he would protebly
[1094]: I added that if it seered desirable for hin to cone to kest:ingtor:
[1095]on route to Miani, I would coll hirs that otherwise I would look forverd
[1096]to seeing hin In Miami, I acid I felt we had coverod a lot of ground,
[1097]and thanked him for giving re go much of cio time to our neeting.
[1099]Again he reiterated thet he desired respousibdility for all groups:
[1100]ard Uist if he wasn't corgidered to Le the right one, that he wes ready
[1101]ard willing to resign. thon this, we finished and I axcorted his. to the
[1102]elavater of the hotel, .