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[35]JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
[36]IDENTIFICATION FORM
[38]AGENCY INFORMATION
[40]INSCOM/CSF
[42]194-10007-10425
[44]DOD-AFFILIATED PERSONNEL AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS
[45]X1332650W - PAGES 503-507
[47]DOCUMENT INFORMATION
[49]USA
[50]108TH MI GROUP
[52]:. EXHIBIT
[54]02/25/70
[56]NAGELL, RICHARD C.
[58]TRINKALA, VICTOR L.~
[60]SWORN STATEMENT
[62]TAPE RECORDING OF INTERVIEW
[63]CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
[64]DISCHARGE FROM ARMY
[66]PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
[67]UNCLASSIFIED
[69]3
[71]RELEASED WITH DELETIONS
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[83]‘SUBIECT'S Sworn S!
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[94]; WITNESS STATEMENT
[95]"(AR 195-10 -.TB PMG 3)
[97]I, Room 1332,
[98]New York, NY_ 10007
[100]MIDDLE NAME
[102]ecace 108th Mi Group, Regi
[103]25 > Federal Pleza
[105]SOCIAL SEC oURUT Y ACCOUNT NO,
[107]Ve. ‘Trinkela, before we progeed, .
[108]-of this interview. ..The United States Department of Army must be assured of,
[109]character, suitability, . and unswerving loyalty to, the United States of per
[110]ace Jn the United States Army and its Reserve component. In this regard,
[111]have been asked to voluntarily undergo en inter
[112]“background since you were discharged
[113]reserves. This interview will provi
[114]ntlof Ar ‘tly LO determine yp 8
[115]“heave” just-said. tovyou?:
[116]AS “Yess. .
[117]Q...—Do you. have-eny-objection
[118]ad | ee \\ ge .
[119]Q. Please stand and raise your | pight hand, Do you eftirn to tell 4
[120]whole truth and nothing but the truth? —
[121]i Ae Yes, I so affirn.
[122]| Q. Do you have any object tion to havin ww this interview tape recorded for
[123]i tive purposes?. ee \y / “oO
[124]Ae No, none whatsoevers' Voix ;
[125]@ Please state your name, address of residence, occupation, name end address of
[127]poneerning | Your
[128]from active duty and a place ih the inactive
[129]é a Qualoo i
[131]under
[133]sos pees woes
[135], - employer, and Social Security Account Number,
[136]‘Ae My name is Victor Lee Trinkals end I reside at the Hotel Weods stock, Room 301,
[137]} 0 127 West 43d. Street, Manhattan, New Yor ‘Ian currently unemployed. My Social
[139]Security Account Number is 186 42 1155. .
[141]| Q. What addresses have you resided et since your discharge? :
[143]i Ae I dived at the Hotel Strand, 206 West (430 Street, Manhattan, New York for approx
[145]mately two or three weeks after my discharge from the Army. . I then ‘moved to my
[146]..., Suprent address and have resided there ever since.
[148]Q. What-employment have you hed since your discharge?
[150]| A. None. I collect a weekly unemployment check from New York State which pays fox
[152]i
[154]|
[156]bills.
[157]Q. Did you come directly to New York City after your dischar
[158]A. Yes.
[159]Q. Mr Trinkala, have you ever had contact
[160]or representatives of any foreien count
[161]A. No, none that T know of. 5O4
[162]Q. Have you or any member of your family ever been contacted by a representative of
[163]a foreign intelligence service either here e-or abroe 2
[164]A. No, none’ that T know cf.) | oo, ;
[165]Q. Have you or any member of your. family ever been contacted by anyone w
[166]_" than casual interest in your military assignnents,” career, or duties?
[169]v $
[171]with any embassies, legations, consulates,
[174]7
[176]ad
[178]Exuiasys |
[180]cand ONAL PAGES MUS Tr CONT. IN THE BEADING SSSTA +e,
[182]OF, : PAGES 4
[183]a STA TEMES vr WILLD Rm CONCLUDED ES
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[238]Les” ee ee - | 186 Ae! 1155 |
[240]ORGANIZATION OR ADDRESS ~ 7 a 7 — s =
[241]“427 West’ 43d Streety- Room 391 5° Manhattan, New York t.
[243]so deapastoncemeventinnniannectne ener eons a te tains raceme
[245]; SWORN STATE HE i
[247]7
[251]Statement of TRINKALA, Vi
[253]Vy ae ‘No, no one that I can recall. ;
[254]If you were contacted by someone with a.more than casual interest in your
[256]Qe
[258]Q.
[259]A.
[261]Q.
[262]Ae
[264]nilitary a Signnents , career, or duties, what would you do?
[266]I would report them'to the FBI, CIA, or the OID, ;
[267]11 consider yourself to be a Consei
[269]Do yous’ Mr. Trinkala,
[270]8 Yeo YY | -
[271]You do
[273]Explain, if you will, Me. Trinkala.
[274]T I do, not believe in killing someons for no
[275]la Man because someone tells me to.
[277]Whe
[279]reason.
[281]Is)
[282]LO @ certain point.
[284]are your Conscientious Objector grounds based upon?
[286]I have religious and moral objections to killing people.
[288]When were you discharged?
[289]I was discharged on 3 December 1969,
[291]What were the reasons given for your discharge?
[293]‘Were you told. why you were discharged?
[295]_Heve you ever assoc! tated owith th MY iss
[296]ON@Q..00 Samer os ee, .
[297]: Have: you ever
[299]There were. several reesons involved. A fricnd of mine helped me
[300]- charged.
[302]LAN Lae
[303]WON
[305]De aa \ . .
[306]How did he help you obtain a discharge?
[308]I do not know how he helped, or if, in fact, he did
[310]What is your friend's name?
[312]His name is Richard Nagel.
[314]Where does Richard Nagel reside!
[316]Ido not know where he lives. I have never
[317]him personally. He is 4 friend ofa friend.
[318]How did you become acqua
[320]met him in person
[322]ited Sth, Mp, Nagel.
[324]I really cannot recall the reasons for ny discherg
[326]Be.
[328]“zi consider yoursel? to be a Conscientious Objector?
[329]-I consider myself to be a Conscientious Objector t
[331]etor Lee, taken et 108th MI Group, Region I, 26 Federel
[333]Plaza, Room 7332, New York, .New York 10007, dated 19 February 1970, continued:
[335]3
[337]entious Objector?
[339]T just con not bring myself
[340]e
[342]and do not know
[344]Me, Nagel is actually the friend of Tony Muneer of whom I have known for three
[345]or four years
[349]Where does Mr. Muneer reside and what is his
[351]Tony Moneer resides at the Hote ot Hoodstock,
[352]Have you ever resided in the same vesidence
[353]discharge?
[355]Yes, we both lived in the Hotel Strand, 206 }
[356]York.
[357]What was his occupation at that time?
[359]He was working as a Desk Cle and going to
[360]What was your occupation at that time
[362]I.was working at the Clinton: Hotel, 19 West
[364]occung abhor
[366]T27 Wes § 43d
[368]t 3
[369]So, Mr. Muneer told you he would’ help you get
[371]Yes, he said hé would sneak to a friend, Richer
[372]“Did he ever te elt: you what he did to help you get
[374]No.
[376]been contacted by any indy
[378]os dissident, . antissrmy, or ancl —war groups’
[380]Ido et Tenowe
[382]Bas. any person ever.asked you. to attend meetin
[384]~ New York, He is employed there as a Desk Clerk.
[385]with Mr.
[387]oD
[389]West 43d Street
[391]school at 1
[395]who 168
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[403]Street, Menhettan,
[405]Muneer previous to your
[407]t, Manhattan, New
[409]see
[415]the Arm a
[417]oO:
[419]ae)
[421]enti-wer groups? 2. < |,
[423]1 York
[425]at he could do.
[427]@ representative of any
[429]Statement of TRINKALA, Victor Lee, taken at {O8th MI Group, Region I, 26 Federal
[430]~ Plaza, Room 1332, New York, New York 10007, dated 19 February 1970, continued:
[432]Ae
[434]Ae
[436]OPrPoro
[438]“Have you ever attended any meetings of any 4 dissident, anti-Army, anti-war
[442]i
[444]- “Have you“ever been arrested.
[445]“how
[446]sthe Army and at Basic training.
[448]‘About three-or four. times.
[450]No, never. PL
[451]Where were you stationed whil® in the Army? .
[452]Iwas stationed at Fort Gordon, Georgia for approximately nine weeks during
[453]which time I recetved Basic Training. I then went to Fort Polk, Louistanna,
[454]for AIT training in the MOS 11570, I stayed at Fort Polk for approximately
[455]10 weeks. I was then sent to Oakland Army Terminal with orders for Viet Nam
[456]I wes discharged at Oskland Army Terminal on 3 December 1969.
[457]Po you not remember the reasons for your discharge?
[459]Yo, I do not remember the spescifie reasons.
[461]How much time. had you spent in the Army?
[463]I had spent five months and 22 days.
[465]Did you not think it rather odd. thet you shovld be granted a discharge after
[466]only five months and 22 days?
[468]Yes, | thought it was odd but I did not know.what was happening.
[470]Did you receive any cour eling whili he army from Army personnel?
[472]Neo, but the Personnel Officer at Oakland Amy Termine asked me who Richard
[473]Nagel was. .
[475]Way did he ask you the identity of Richard Negel and what was-his name and
[478]I do not know why he asked me about Richard Nagel. He wes a Warrant Officer. mae
[480]I do not remember his name or rank.
[482]Wheat did you tell him about Mr, Nagel?
[484]I told him only that he was e personal friend of mine.
[486]Had you requested a discharge at any time prior to arriving at Oakland Army
[489]Ido not recall.
[491]You had never requested a discharge?
[492]Iwas trying to get my combat status changed to non-combat status. I never
[493]initiated any formal procedures to obtein a discharge.
[495]Bid you ever tell any one that you were a Conscientious Objector?
[497]Yes; I told the adjutant at Oakland Army. Terminal but he tore up my request
[498]told’me to get the hell out.
[500]Have you his name end rank? \
[501]No, I do not cécall his name
[502]Did Richard Nagel ever inention to you how he got you out of the Aimy?
[503]No, as I mentioned before I have never seen him before or since. He ec
[505]long distance from New York City while I was at Oaklend Army Terminal
[506]was the first and last [heard from hin.
[508]Noa
[510]-Has Tony Muneer heard from him or does he know of his whereabouts?
[511]No, Tony has not heard from him since December 1969 and does not know of Rich
[513]Nagel's whereabouts. |
[515]Have you ever been arres ed?
[516]Yes. ° :
[518]How many times?
[520]4 a
[522]No, and I ‘Listed. alll my arrests
[524]a. had tO eu out before: ‘going i
[528]and
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[538]vin drny, rents
[540]NO but most. of my friends. dé not. ike. the Army. 1 do not. know their reasons;
[541]To what country do you owe your alle em lance? ; a ;
[542]“The. United. States. .... re
[543]Do you support the Constitution. of the United States end are you willing to
[544]_ ,perdefent the United States against any and all of her enemies w Shout: exception? |
[545]BU f support the Constitution and am willing to fight any enemies who invede the
[546]United States bub I am not willing to fight. in Viet Nam because I believe the
[547]wer is immoral, - : _
[548]Q. If called upon to fight in Viet Nam would you go? ;
[549]A.’ I would try to obtain Conselentions Objector status. If that did not work I do
[550]not know what I would do, :
[551]Q. Would you be willing to go on Active Duty if called upon?
[552]A. I would not be willing to be called to Active Dut uy and. Ido not knew if I would
[553]‘go if called.
[554]Q. Why are you opposed to killing?
[555]A. Iwas brought up to be opposed to: kil vane They wanted to teach me in
[556]' “months to kill somebody and you cannot teach in four months sonething
[557]cpposed to what you have been taught for many years.
[558]@. Are these attitudes » to religious beliefs?
[559]fa Yes, I am Catholic and do not believe in kitting.
[560]if you had. to-kill someone im self-defense what would you do?
[561]fe I would fight back but this is different then being placed in Viet Nam where
[562]' I:would probably have to k#Ll.
[563]Q. If you were in Viet Nam and vere under fire would you: ie
[564]A. Yes, I would. ‘Any. human Deing would fight back.g 7
[565]Q. If a foreign power attacked the United States would!
[566].f - the aggressor? -"\j /| *
[567]102 not wee ae
[569]a the
[571]a the enemy
[573]to killing
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[584]MOM SEAN INE PE OW SERA AY: AAR SSRN CNIS RN A OR REI RCE PENRSTTN Sa SRSNP ~ erent pnastanrte nanan seme
[586]z =z HAD READ To ME THIS STATE
[587]ERSTAND THE CONTENTS OF THE ENTIRE STATEMER
[589]i Vi etor Lee Trinkale _
[590]pMERT WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 1 AND ERDS ON PAGE
[591]PMADE BY ME. THE STATEMENT IS TRUE. 1 HAVE IM 2D ALL CORRECTIONS AND HAVE IMITIALED THE BOTTOM OF EAC E
[592]p CONTAINING THE STATEMENT. | HAVE MADE THIS STATEMENT FREELY WITHOUT KOPE OF BENEFIT OR REWARD, ¥ Wi THOU? THRE
[594]OF PUNISHMENT, AND WITHOUT COERCION, UNLAWFUL INFLUENCE, GR UNLAWFUL IRGUCEMENT. = 4
[596]Signature of Person Admisleteriag Case
[598]Tomy re Me _PHERSON, Sneci
[600]C4 al_Agent
[601]ra) Administer é Oaray .
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