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[42]DOD-AFFILIATED PERSONNEL AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS
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[49]AGENT REPORT
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[53]KAMINSKI, HANS D
[55]REPORT OF FINDINGS
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[61]POSSIBLE COUNTER~INTELLIGENCE INTEREST
[63]AGENT'S NOTES
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[77]AGENT REPORT
[79]For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
[80]1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED
[82]6 February 1972 ‘
[84]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
[86]4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
[88]\W)
[90]On 4 February 1972, Raymond R. Leal, 1LT, 459~78-6563, Platoon
[91]Leader, 164th Military Police Company (MPG), Milsau (NCA), Federal Republic
[92]of Germany (FRG), APO New York 09059, and Ronald A. Margulies, SP4, 220-48-
[93]5408, Senior MP, 164th MPC, were interviewed separately regarding an incident
[94]of possible Counter-Intelligence interest, and both stated substantially
[95]as follows:
[97]) On 3 February 1972, Sources were in the Lord Nelson Bar, Datteln
[98](LC8424,), FRG, with other members of their unit, 1LT Wood and an unidentified
[99]Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO), when they were approached by the Dise Jockey
[100]of the bar, who introduced himself only as John, and asked them if there was
[101]a particular song they would like to hear, After playing the record requested,
[102]John walked back over to Sources and sat down with them. John began asking
[103]them military related questions almost as soon as he sat down. John asked
[104]them what unit they were from. He wanted to know where they came from
[105]and where they were going. He asked them why they were in Datteln, John
[106]stated that he knew who the Security Sergeant at C Team, 66th USA Artillery
[107]Detachment, Dattelin, APO New York 09078, was. When John did not receive the
[108]answers to his Questions he stated that he knew what they were doing in
[109]Dattein. John stated that Datteln was a dead town, but that things were
[110]hoping in Westkirchen (C3549), FRG. The site that the convoy had just come
[111]from. John then listed every site the convoy had just come from. John .
[112]identified the sites by unit designation, location, APO number, and telephone
[113]number of the orderly room. John was completely accurate in every detail.
[115][John stated that he knew what they had brought to Datteln and knew how long
[116]they were going to stay. John talked about how easy it was to get information
[117]out of people by using indirect questions. John said that about four years
[118]ago he had a Lieutenant that was supplying him information about the site
[119]at Datteln. John then boasted that he could find out anything he wanted to
[120]by giving ten beers to almost any German soldier at the site. John stated
[121]that he did not have any bugs so Sources and their friends did not have to
[122]worry about what they said. John was very interested in the jeeps in the
[123]parking lot near the Lord Nelson, John said that the jeeps had poor radios
[124]and that he had a transmitter/receiver about one foot long, three to four
[125]inches wide, and about six inches high, with a three foot antenna that could
[126]reach Brazil. When asked where such a radio could be purchased, John said
[128]|}that it was a special model and could not be bought anywhere. John mentioned
[129]how easy it would be to puta fake bomb into the jeeps and asked Sources if
[130]they checked the jeeps before starting them or just got in and started them.
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[140]5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
[142]HEINZ E. ICKERT, 66th MI Group
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[149]AGENT REPORT."
[151]For use af thic form, see EM 30°17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for {ntalligance.
[153]1, NAME GF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT : 2. GATE SuemITTED
[155]6 February 1972
[157]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
[159]4, REPORT OF FINDINGS
[161]John wanted to know on what frequency the radios operated, John stated that
[162]he hated to be a Dise Jockey, that he had more important things to do.
[164]John also stated that they had some mighty fine missiles in Soest (MC3813),
[165]FRG. John stated that the Russian Army was far superior to anything in
[166]Europe. He talked at length about the Russian Army. Sources felt that
[168]John was serious about what he was saying and not trying just to make them
[169]uneasy. John asxed Margulies if he was a CID agent. Margulies replied that
[170]he wes not. John talked about and named every intelligence agency of the
[171]United States. He mentioned MI, OSS, ONI, CLA, CID and the FBI. John said
[172]that Israel's intelligence network was far superior to that of any countries!
[173]in Europe or that of the United States, John spoke fluent German and English
[174]and spéke Spanish and Russian to Sources to prove that he knew how. John
[175]said he learned to speak English in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic
[176](USSR), and said "we have to learn many languages." John kept asking about
[177]Ramstein Air Force Base and stated that he had been to the NCO Club at
[178]Ramstein. John said he hated the FRG and that he wanted to go back to
[180]the German Democratic Republic (GDR). John stated that he goes to the GDR
[181]often and that he’has been’ to Moscow (NCA), USSR. John expounded on how
[182]much better it was to live in the GDR. John claimed to have a cousin or
[183]nephew, Sources could not recall which, who was a Major in the army in the
[184]GDR. John talked about brainwashing at length and how information could
[186]be gotten from people without the threat of physical-violence. John said that
[187]the American Prisoners of War in North Viet Nam would never be the same
[189]even after they were released. John stated that his hobby was just listening
[191]and looking around. Sources said that they had to go because tommorrow of
[192]was a busy day and they had field exercises at 0900 hours. John quipped in | a a9
[193]"Don't you mean that you and the convoy are leaving at 0600 hours?!, and < Oe om
[194]added that tommorrow whould be a busy day from him also. John mentioned that ‘TA.
[195]he had stolen something and had sold it. John described the object in great Rare
[196]i detail, as to size, dimensions, and color, but never said what it was. : “3
[197]Sources could only recall that it was about one and a half feet long with _ v 3
[198]fins on the end. Sources thought from the description that John gave, that : a
[199]he was talking about a mortar projectile or some kind of small rocket, ny ) ‘o
[200]When Sources left the bar at 0430 hours, they waited for John outside the a fo
[201]bar, but he did not come out. They then proceeded through the parking lot oNoe
[202]where their jeeps were parked to their hotel across from the Lord Nelson. xe ae
[203]At 0515 hougs, Margulies looked out of his hotel window and saw John leave tr
[204]the Lord Nelson. John proceeded directly to the. jeeps in the parking lot
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[207]6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
[211]al Cnamata’ EE, en sles s: ji ~ A ees
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[221]For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the Proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chiaf of Staff for Intelligenee.
[222]1... N&ME OF SUBJECT OR TIE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED
[224]6 February 1972
[226]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
[228]f 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
[230]and spent five minutes going over them inside and out. Margulies was positive
[231]John had checked the radios closely and noted what frequency they were set
[233]on. Margulies checked the jeeps in the morning before starting them to
[235]see if anything had been done to them, but could find nothing.
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[238]scar tS NOTES: Soest mentioned above is the location of the
[239]Headquarters and A Team of the 66th USA Artillery Detachment. Westkirchen
[240]mentioned above is the location of D Team, 66th USA Artillery Detachment.
[241]The convoy mentioned above assewbled to prepare to depart Datteln at 0600
[242]hours, 4 February 1972. ‘
[244]FREER 0  TITIED
[246]One: Senay . “SUPO
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[252]f 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
[254][HEINZ B. ICKERT, 66th MI Group | = I haves a a
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