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[30]Date 12/10/97
[33]JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
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[36]AGENCY INFORMATION
[38]CSF/INSCOM
[40]194-10006-10311
[42]DOD-AFFILIATED PERSONNEL AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS
[45]DOCUMENT INFORMATIO.
[47]USA
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[50]AGENT REPORT
[51]02/05/72
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[54]KAMINSKI,
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[58]JOHN THE DEE JAY
[59]LORD NELSON, WESTERN, KESSIN (BARS IN DATTELN)
[60]MILITARY SUBJECTS
[62]XR-71
[64]STADTSCHAENKE BAR
[66]C-RATIONS
[68]PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
[69]UNCLASSIFIED
[71]RELEASED WITH DELETIONS
[73]03/07/95
[75]REGRADED UNCLASSIFIED ON 2 SEP 94.
[76]INCLUDED.
[78]EXHIBITS NOT
[80]AGENT REPORT
[82]For use of this form, see FM 30- 17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
[84]1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED
[85]February 1972
[87]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
[89]On 1 February 1972, Robert M. Creed, SP4, 51-54-4745, Security
[90]Guard, Ys Team, 66th USK Artillery Detachment, Datteln (LC8424), Federal
[91]Republic of Germany (FRG), was interviewed at his place of duty regarding
[92]an incident of possible Counter-intelligence interest, and stated substantially
[93]as follows:
[95]4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
[97]UW ;
[98]aN ource was approached by a man who identified himself as John the
[100]Dee Jay on 31 January 1972, in the Lord Nelson, a bar in Datteln. John
[102]ithe Dee Jay was the Disc Jockey at the Lord Nelson. John sat down with
[104]Source and began a normal conversation. The conversation soon turned to
[106]military subjects. John asked about CPT FNU Myers and CPT FNU Jackson,
[108]who supposedly had been assigned to the unit at one time. John mentioned
[110]that he had taken pictures of Myers and his family. John asked Source about
[112]radar and other military subjects, John constantly mentioned Security
[114]Sergeants, phone numbers and personnel that were formerly at the unit.
[116]John stated that he knew the last Security Sergeant of © Team, and was
[118]interested in knowing who was now the Security Sergeant. At 2330 hours,
[120]Source left the Lord Nelson and proceeded to the Western Bar, Datteln.
[122]At the Western, Source met a man, name unknown, who owned the photography
[124]shop across the street from the Western, whom Source described as a "drinking
[126]buddy". Source and the unidentified man (UIM) left the Western about 0100
[128]hours and proceeded to the Lord Nelson. At the Lord Nelson, Source and UI
[130]were joined at their table by John the Dee Jay. Upon learning that Ui
[132]was a Photographer, John asked him if he had ever taken pictures of a military
[134]installation. The UID did not answer the question, but stated that he had
[136]j taken pictures of a man named Julius (PHONETIC-NFI), Julius supposedly had
[138]been an American stationed in Datteln with the US Army. The UIM became
[140]nervous because of John's questioning, excused himself, and left the bar.
[142]Source did not see UM anymore that evening. ‘Source and John remained
[144]at the Lord Nelson. The conversation between Source and John returned to
[146]military subjects. John spoke about military subjects with authority ana
[148]apparent proficiency. John said many things about military subjects that
[150]Source had no knowledge of. Source was unable to recall any of the specifics
[152]of the conversation. Source felt dwarfed by John's military knowledge
[154]and at one time asked John if he knew about the XR-71. John became very
[156]interested and asked Source what was the XR-71. Source replied that he was
[158]not allowed to talk about it, and the subject was dropped. John mentioned
[160]twice during the evening, that he had been kicked off Haard Kaserne, where
[162]C Team was located in Datteln, for being caught wearing a complete set of US
[164]fatigues in downtown Datteln. The first time John mentioned the in¢ident
[166]he said it occurred two_years_a ate he said it
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[187]S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT = : é. SiGuarone OF SPECIAL AGENT
[188]HBINZ E. ICKERT, 66th MI Group Hho’ wa Fe by SF
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[196]AGENT REPORT
[198]Far use of thie form, coe PM 30°17(C): AR 361°130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chiof of Seas far Intolligones.
[200]1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED
[201]5 February 1972
[203]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
[205][4 REPORT OF FINDINGS
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[209]| happened in 1956. Source did not mention the diserepancy to John. John
[210]fstabed that ne had also veen kicked off two or three kasernes in the Southy
[212]on @ site in Southern FRG. Source was unable to recall the exact identi-
[213]fication of the agency John claimed to have been interrogated by, but
[214]ymentioned that it was something like MA, MD, MI, MAD, MAI, John said he
[215]had been released after the interrogation and followed, but that he had
[216]managed to lose the people who were following him. John mentioned that
[218]he had paced off Haard Kaserne and knew exactly where and how to get on to
[219]the Kaserne without being detected. Source and John left the Lord Nelson
[220]yat 0300 hours and went to another bar in Datteln. Source thought the name of
[221]the bar was the Kessin (PHONETIC), out was not sure. Upon arriving at the
[222]Kessin, John said that he had to pick up his pay check from the owner of the
[223]bar and left Source. John and the owner of the bar went into a private office
[224]ffor about five minutes before John returned. .The owner of the Kessin also
[225]owned the Lord Nelson and Western. Source and John left the Kessin at 430
[226]yhours and proceeded by taxi to John's apartment, which was located above the
[227]Western. John stated that if Source did not believe everything that he had
[228]said, that Source could contact an Air Force Security Sergeant and confirm
[229]everything. John gave Source a slip of paper (EXHIBIT ___), on which was the
[230]neme of the Security Sergeant, his job title, station, and telephone numbers.
[231]JJohn stated that if Source mentioned or showed the paper to anyone that it
[232]would get the Security Sergeant into trouble. John also hinted that bodily
[233]lharm might resuit to Source if the paper got into the wrong hands. John
[235]gave Source an old US Air Force parka to wear back to the kaserne because it
[236]Jwas cold and Source's own jacket was Light weight. In the pockets of the
[237]parka were four beer coasters, (EXHIBITS > 5 > and ), anda
[238]used streetcar ticket (EXHIBIT }. dohn arranged another meeting with
[239]}Source for 1700 hours, 5 February 1972, at the Stadtschaenke Bar,. Datteln.
[240]John gave a slip of paper (2XHIBIT ‘) to Source with the information for the
[241]next meeting. John asked Source to obtain any information on Julius mentioned
[242]iby UIM, that he could. John mentioned that he had known Cristobal Pimentel-
[243]{Davilla and asked Source to obtain some C-Rations for him. Source then left
[244]{John and returned to his unit. Source did not believe that he had supplied
[245]any official information to John, but felt that it wes possible that he might
[246]‘Thave as he was quite drunk before the evening ended. Source described
[247]John as follows: Six to six feet one inch tall, weighing 180-190 pounds,
[248]jslight build, black hair with long sideburns, and wore a red shirt with a
[249]Inavy blue coat and tie, black shoes, long black overcoat and black fur hat.
[253]5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
[255]HEINZ B. ICKERT, 66th MI Group _
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[262]and that his name was on record. John mentioned being caught and interrogated
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[276]; AGENT REPORT “
[278]Far use af thie farm, coo FM 30-17(C): AR 381+130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Ascicoant Chiof af Stall far Intalliganes.
[279]. NAME OF SUBJECT OF TITLE OF INCIDENT , 2. DATE SUBMITTED
[281]5 February 1972
[283]3. CONTROL SYMBOL OF FILE NUMBER
[285]3 REMARKS: Source explained that the. XR-71 that he had mentioned
[286]to John did not, to the best of his knowledge, exist.
[287]Oo
[289]H 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
[291]AGENT'S NOTES: The UIM mentioned was the owner of the Althoff
[292]Photo Shop, Hohe Strasse, Datteln.
[294]Page 3 of 3 Pages
[296]5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 4 7 6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT : '
[297]| HEINZ E. ICKERT, 66th MI Group Soo E’ RAY
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