max dunn maxdunnsiliconpublishingcom attended conference impressed systems jim didnt mention terms cms following apparently used fairly large implementations looked like pretty strong competition commercial systems midgard httpwwwmidgardprojectorg phpbased content management framework programs combines full cms redhat ccm cms javabased httpwwwspamassassintaintorgsoftwareccmcms opencms javabased httpwwwopencmsorg agreement usability generally open source strength plone xopus represented real movement towards improving situation impressed spectrum perspectives xml took granted xslt relevant content management others took granted xslt irrelevant seemed happy ignore xml almost completely attended realizing content management generally used apply web content management still bit shocked completely scope document management almost consideration potential printpdf dimension content occasional use fop make pdf functional seems case open source content management commercial content management probably makes xml easier ignore html beall endall output honesty refreshing phil suh complained state current tools open source commercial wish id written said something like sucks extremely sucks widely generally sucking seems sometimes hope moment contemplation perhaps commercial systems scaled well commercial big boys really much functional open source someone pointed ok take average blog software spend 500000 rollout itll scale pretty well another quote citing brendan quinn content management problems either trivial impossible mac os x getting popular laptops even 13 mac linux windows sure wasnt news jim cant wait try subversion cvs replacement supports newer features webdav httpsubversiontigrisorg im also eager try xopus hope developers make back home safely said theyd america four days already homeless max fri 27 sep 2002 211536 0700 oscom berkeley report xopus bitflux plone xoops