summary double dutch youthese pig latin original query posted jul 12 1997 linguist 8 1048 asked data secret signalization codes among children approaching still fully reached age adolescence particularly socalled double dutch less invariant standard syllable inserted every word render unrecognizable various languages world b exclusivist particularly secretive youthspecific slang socalled youthese among teenagers adolescents functioning peer ingroup clique trademark received great deal useful information attempted making summary earlier new responses kept coming suppose chose inopportune time send query people vacation holidays also recieved material one respondent said would send returning journey proceed summary responses also included new leads search following total summary first want thank responders contributors bery helpful informative messages jannis k androutsopoulos androuts novell1 gs uniheidelberg de jack aubert jaubert cpcug org rick mc callister rmccalli muw edu bill fisher william fisher nist gov tim jake gluckman tjgluckman aol com jack hall jhall uh edu marion kee marion _ kee cs cmu edu nobuko koyama murakami koyamamu hawaii edu nathan sanders sanders ling ucsc edu nik taylor jnataylor pcola gulf net markell r west markell afterlife ncsc mil mark wilson maw annap infi net sorry missed somebody 1 first direct respondents original query rick mc callister called attention fact pig latin term commonly used called double dutch also gave url www spanish pig latin page http www muw edu rmccalli spigpayatinlay html www page informative also suggested new venue search proved quite fruitful e started search internet mentionings pig latin see 2 bill fisher one good example may already aware boontling jargon developed 19th century marin county california got pretty decent book boontling american lingo charles c adams u texas press austin 1971 isbn 0292 70082 2 tim gluckman school 60s stockport england recall oneschoolgirl clique year spoke one insider languages one day asked one schoolyear ansprechbar recently pubertied schulmaedchen saying far recall explanation geheimsprache included variable substitution perhaps consonants end word certainly affect rendering conversations incomprehensible time ever came across c 1964 5 spoke 6 months far recall whether went beyond nt know girls middle three streams grammar school 15 kilometres south manchester went time question mine indicated age actively dating boys marion kee discussion linguist think sometime 1995 pig latin related topics think examples cited number different languages discussion might included list references find linguist archive try searching pig latin egg latin egg latin every syllable gets syllable egg added prior vowel e g eggegg leggateggin egg latin english far know exhusband learned 10 11 athens ohio usa suggestion opened fruitful venue search see 3 nik taylor cousins brother code called fliptop started flipping around pairs letters double letters counted one adding ot consonants nothing vowels doubles indicated squared hello e hot lotsquared friend invented tot think name adding ot consonants squared part hello hote lotsquared added flipping part 2 rick mc callister www page suggested search pages found one nathan sanders http ling ucsc edu sanders research html also informative language games referred _ ludlings _ wrote owner got information nathan sanders good place start would work bruce bagemihl done lot work area ludlings languagegames two references ludlings first large list examples second explanation ludling phenomenon bagemihl bruce 1989 crossing constraint backwards languages _ natural language linguistic theory _ vol 7 pp 481549 bagemihl bruce 1996 language games related areas john goldsmith ed _ handbook phonological theory _ cambridge blackwell publishers pp 697712 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3 marion kee suggestion search linguist archive led two unsummarized queries mailed querists jannis androutsopoulos snailedmailed copious material colloquiium organized heidelberg dedicated questions youth slang international colloquium linguistic sociolinguistic aspects youth specific language heidelberg june 5 7 1997 hosted graduiertenkolleg dynamics non standard varieties univ heidelberg univ mannheim obviously impossible summarize great amount data space available say covers various aspects youth slang germany also ex gdr specific italy france switzerland also turn 19th 20th century swedish papers touch ed upon influence rap hip hop etc youth slang markell west responded first posting summary responses query informative 8 1079 apart contained list respondents 4 mailed respondents directly brought helpful responses jack aubert french verlan reverses order syllables e l envers means backwards pronounce l envers syllables reversed get verlan definitely example described type b adolescent exclusivist heard said verlan originally used thieves pickpockets suspect madeup explanation particular basis fact whatever origins used adolescents exclusivist slang nt think body actually uses verlan full sentences extended conversations mostly forms basis individual slang words go normal sentances could refer zonmai maison zonblou blou son movie years ago called les ripoux verlan les pourris context referred corrupt cops think term french born arabs beurs formed using version verlan always regular jack hall response query pig latin mentioned called op language read book magazine 1012 years old mid 1950 recall simple rule put op phonetically p every consonant word except last final consonant certain rule consonant clusters thus dog would dopog remember specifically word umbrella given umopbopropellopa indicating op placed three consonants beginning umbr one double l never met anybody heard language knew use since learned book rather people children say anything sociolinguistics idiolect talking least 40 years strange thing actually visualize item read page printed although certainly nt know title book sure written people age time adults remember even reading although 10 years old aware description language sufficiently detailed treatment matters consonant clusters sequences pretty sure st would treated cluster one op inserted op another op inserted thus stay would stopay soptopay remember time aware sure word would treated nobuko koyama murakami japanese babi bube bo language lingo used teenagers ba bibu bebo language specifically used teasing joking others wishing make conversation sound secretive purposely annoying others manipulating language skillfully key membership group mimicked language poorly would automatically excluded group one thing variants use language differences seemed strongly related types dialects japanese spoke northern part mainland japan babi bube bo inserted accordingly based phonetics tokyo metropolitan areas babi bube bo inserted orthographic letters least tendency found e g icecream written ai suku ri mu nb represents lengthening mark japanese orthography 1 aba ibi subu kubu ribi ibi mubu tokyo 2 aba ibi subu kubu ribi imu bu far know age group mentioned teenagers 80 rage 1518 means high school time period nb japan unlike u high school legally clearly separate institute encountered experienced babi bube bo language high school students mark wilson several years since observed phenomenon told markel german insertion lav vowels german lav inserted vowels ilavich wohlavonelave ilavin balavad holavombulavurg ich wohne bad homburg precise insertion lavv v stands vowel immediately preceding inserted l 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3d 3 tentative conclusions phenomena pig latin type phonologically manipulated secret language youth slang apparently neither anglosaxon european particularity b predeliction pig latin type language game covers much wider age bracket initially suspected beginning around 10 years overlapping youth slang pig latin type expressions may taken slang specific words thanks everybody contributed perhaps apologize summary got long honest course happy gotten much summarize thought would selfish share fellow linguist listers future searchers linguist archives reason experiences pig latin age 1213 years indonesian junior middle school smp bogor west java encountered took part following form pig latin sentences constructed preferentially consist bisyllabic words basic words indonesian bisyllabic first syllable ended consonant entire second syllable replaced _ se _ _ e _ english otherwise initial consonant second syllable retained rest replaced _ saya cinta sama kamu _ love _ c _ engl _ ch _ became _ sayse cinse samse kamse _ people know similar indonesian pig latins existed parts indonesia particularly central east java ones heard _ se _ insertion rules always exactly like bogor childhood used occasionally particularly tease secret passing fad lasted even long one school year finally understand time around 10 years ago israelian popmusic hit also became popular outside israel particularly west europe title seems meant love pig latin style manipulated hebrew anyone tell anything song particularly hebrew pig latin anyone know anything pig latin e g chinese hindi tamil arabic turkish suaheli youth slang exist amerindian languages australian aborigine languages preindustrial communities best regards waruno waruno mahdi tel 49 30 84135301 faradayweg 4 6 fax 49 30 84133155 14195 berlin email mahdi fhiberlin mpg de germany www http w3 rzberlin mpg de wm