luis villa louieximiancom tue 20020723 1900 karl anderson wrote dave long writes also strikes long livestock genetically engineered dumber meatier better adapted living industrial conditions willing count artificial selection genetic engineering happening since preliterate times called domestication willing count hope since isnt natural selection genetic engineering quite bit natural selection times fascinating article months back possibly posted bits note one holstein bull died 70s paternally related something like 40 worlds cattle thats way way natural selection given difficulty expense isolating specific genes size industriallivingness etc expansive raw gene manipulation time luis httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork 23 jul 2002 184935 0400 baseline raising chickens hightech way