dave long dlsilcomcom yes working class deserves gets careful youre talking 80 country although perhaps true democracy people wind government deserve grew abject poverty find us large excluded middle poverty affluent working class dont know poverty officially ca perspective 15k income going go far current interest rates one would probably want somewhere around 500k wealth throw amount pretty much limits nonworking class small singledigit percentage households much overlap retirement cohort 2000 numbers pretty much confirm shows top 5 incomes mostly twoearner households zeroearner households rare median incomes workers paradise census figured 18k cutoff lowest 5th poverty line percentages break follows workpov yes yes 9 72 11 8 dave perhaps thats even enough irvine everyone take job sometime nh3 1998 wealth data supposedly released 2001 havent seen yet census site anyone pointer punish whole industry due bad apples little heard legislation simply says lying ones public figures matter cheating accounts really involves stealing time money ones employees investors tolerating bad apples equate punishing good ones httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork tue 30 jul 2002 120034 0700 new 2 usa usa