jeff rush wgqvtauprocom paul moore wrote 20032008 zooko wrote ill chime really want like setuptoolseasy_install dont ill try specific reasons hope addressed know known one metadislikes setuptools known issues never seem get addressed know patches accepted havent got time either clearly explained problems existing arrangement valuable well patches thanks taking time help us see viewpoint 1 integration system packager windows case easy_install nose nose show addremove programs significantly affects way manage pc part stems stretching original mission setuptools install modules python generalpurpose application installation tool buildout tool suited application installation although ideal yet scenario happens one egg pulls another another hundred entries addremove menu dont understand interrelationship clean uninstall similarly want appear addremove menu using independent sandboxes various applications accessible specific users admins box 3 pkg_resources documentation particular thats one ive tried follow extremely hard read partly style partly couched unfamiliar terms distributions working sets interfaces providers etc also huge tutorial style overview supported api detail would far better well get better docs course module contains roughly five different sets functionality used unrelated others one api 4 hard use limited connectivity work access internet via internet explorer ms based proxy workarounds ultimately download installer run far simpler approach hard address using independent eggs setuptools fits buildout provides deployment set related eggs single entity ill add use case see though 5 autodiscovery doesnt always work im sorry really cant recall example moment sometimes easy_install says cant find package know available ive hit although wasnt issue autodiscovery mechanism rather quality problems pypi eggs binary distributions provided platform couldnt used better error messages area would help encouragement nag original author provide better data pypi 6 splitting community windows users rely heavily binary installers least starting get situation projects provide egg files provide traditional bdist_wininstbdist_msi installers bad one way reporting author nagging facilities built pypi could help encourage consistent behavior jeff _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 123244 0500 pythondev distutils pep 365 adding pkg_resources module