lx science accept editors recent challenge resuming last year thread missed subscribing whether linguistics considered science assuming everyone means newtonian science rather quantum relativity science current century n1 argue 1 much work scientific much work goes beyond traditional definitions science 2 categorized solely science longterm professional detriment 3 uniquely positioned aim higher academics centuries used various prestige words desiring assert rigor scientific word today prestige word since early 1800 replaced philosophical term academics use indicating ultimate rigor truth well seventhcentury rome boethius others used logical prestige word n2 confident sole reason linguists claim linguistics science saying rigorous sufficient describe side work perhaps instead discipline looking professional prestige advancement academe aligning politically science seen best strategic move n3 reason perhaps talk together loud rather remaining professional assumption reasons might consider giving science label including unique perversity cultivating process working meaning physicist friend told physics deal dimension meaning well everything else deals physics could longer science greg derry personal communication newtonian physics long held model hard science principles exclude meaning principles 20th century physics linguist ready give meaning including systemic meaning structure order scientific linguistics least much art science anyone provide good reason categorizing linguistics science context remarks nt something inclusive aim toward model social soft sciences actually linguistics best potential candidate new meaningfull model science disciplines watching us decades train methodologies delicate balancing act consciousness form meaning e historical work compare forms even languages cant stop must also aware whether changed semantic categories etc disciplines would call systems approach goes beyond modern structuralism n4 like complementarity principle physics form meaning linguistics complementary polar opposites necessary total system work properly alas theories another matter terminological shackles meaningless science would place discipline continue use dead metaphors meaningless science attempts meaningfull theory building n5 notice historically treated urged us move theories level methodology level systems thinking describes world uncertainties mutual interdependencies rather monocertain anything chaotic attractors pulling events toward material manifestation n6 instead one thing directly causing another whorf took one step transforming einstein relativity principle limited geometry focus larger focus human language general called linguistic relativity principle n7 physics century dealing deep linguistic questions unfortunately lost linguists deeper mergers language philosophy ignored universalist perspectives latter half century n8 linguistics departments closing rest academe ruthlessly renders selfserving judgement linguistics becoming irrelevant pseudoscience late 20th century please understand way scientific mode linguistics uniquely appropriate studying form however appropriate studying meaning obvious reasons answer let part overwhelm whole entire discipline becomes scientific accept challenge develop theories principles meaningfull science disciplines admire 21st century start claiming linguistic way claiming ultimate rigor search truth notes n1 assume way social sciences treated whorf attempting tell definition science science changing underneath certainties otherwise would nt need discussion n2 dineen boethius logic became prestige study day medieval precise respected intellectual tool held position intellectual world science holds serious study today must cientific logical n3 however one christian de quincy wrote recently ost scientists recognize limits science want power given society supports science one take power possession science away corporations politicians would standing science society n4 consciousness anthropologists would call hamanic stance balancing foot worlds eastern philosophers would probably talk interpenetration yin yang within tao david bohm found dialogues j krishnamurti n5 including pre relativity quantum scientific vocabulary cause etermine especially linked monocausal determinism even try project dead metaphors onto people using systems thinking e g sapir whorf pike lamb n6 per current chaos theory mathematics like use mathematics linguistics theories n7 einstein also larger language issues mind talked 1941 radio speech brings ultimate connection language thinking mental development individual way forming concepts depend high degree upon language makes us realize extent language means mentality n8 much needs done interesting areas reason logic philosophy grow grammars languages aware instance word karma long term eastern philosophy denoting process goes around comes around emphasis comes around experiential phenomena term within system sanskrit linguistics meaning irect object verb james ryan sanskrit philosophy scholar personal communication presentation society anthropology consciousness 1992 might wellarticulated philosophy animacy native american languages look like moonhawk fool hill sees sun going eyes head see world spinning round john lennon