john hall johnhallevergonet take genetic engineering includes selective breeding also includes human pairs randomly grouped doesnt matter two intend engaged selected sort brought boss longer marries secretary female law partner selects another high earning mate least associate law instead two couples making 140k piece 100k 40k one pair 200 one pair 80 interesting social effects one effects difference children average original message forkadminxentcom mailtoforkadminxentcom behalf karl anderson sent wednesday july 24 2002 115 pm forkspamassassintaintorg subject baseline raising chickens hightech way elias sinderson writes sorry karl confusing things silly discussion thats picky semantic discussions turn thos saying selective breeding counted genetic engineering whereas extending definition include attration parents felt yes im saying extends genetic engineering include selecting animals breed must extend include selecting people breed unless parents selectively bred like livestock produce dont think make case im saying parents selected among reasons wanted others genes mixed offspring planning matter selecting produce offspring rather offspring two unrelated animals karl anderson kramonkeyorg httpwwwmonkeyorgkra httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork wed 24 jul 2002 151146 0700 baseline raising chickens hightech way