scott newton mnjwpcgvcceaschallengecc fyi monday 18 february 2008 081218 hudibras wrote kde4 new desktop things take time develop well point clearly forums web sites people know kde3 starting hit road blocks due nature underlying code decision made rewrite underlying libraries kde4 create framework build better kde example plasma desktop framework phonon soundmedia framework qt taken qt though still developed kde repository solid hardware detection system based dbus dbus replaces dcop plus others still development decibel realtime communications framework nepomuk semantic desktop framework akonadi storage query service framework pim data 40 released felt underlying libraries stable enough terms apis changing developers build applications upon backward compatible part ensure kde3 applications would still run kde4 kde4 versions koffice kontact due stable release kde 41 currently set july hope helps regards scott newton thu 07 aug 2008 044027 1300 opensuse kde4