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00195365338844370a195365x3k8k4370a19v365338mailgmailcom contenttype textplain charsetutf8 sun feb 24 2008 246 pm sm wrote 0914 24022008 hector santos wrote pray tell aware tells mta processing payload smtp data state post smtp issue 250 positive message accept response code true purpose silently discarding yes agreed point releasing responsibility delivery message sending mta message business accepting message dropping floor matter policy rfcs regards damon otsdcrockernet sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 2 date sun 24 feb 2008 203710 0800 dave crocker subject ietfdkim fwd id actiondraftcrockeremailarch10txt dkim ietf wg messageid 47c245f69020807dcrockernet contenttype textplain charsetiso88591 folks new version last pdf html versions discussion major changes end introduction original message subject id actiondraftcrockeremailarch10txt date sun 24 feb 2008 200001 0800 pst qfokcxikkhfhvqietforg replyto qfokcxikkhfhvqietforg moepzjuytjietforg new internetdraft available online internetdrafts directories title internet mail architecture authors crocker filename draftcrockeremailarch10txt pages 48 date 20080224 thirtyfive year history internet mail undergone significant changes scale complexity become global infrastructure service first standardized architecture networked email specified little simple split user world transmission world core aspects service styles mailbox address basic message format remained remarkably constant however todays internet mail distinguished many independent operators many different components providing service users many others performing message transfer public discussion service often lacks common terminology common frame reference components activities common reference model terminology facilitates discussion problems service changes policy enhancement services functionality document offers enhanced internet mail architecture targets description existing service order facilitate clearer efficient technical operations policy discussions email url internetdraft httpwwwietforginternetdraftsdraftcrockeremailarch10txt remove id announcement list send message vcsdezvmumbbpdffvietforg word unsubscribe body message also visit httpswww1ietforgmailmanlistinfoidannounce change subscription settings internetdrafts also available anonymous ftp login username anonymous password email address logging type cd internetdrafts get draftcrockeremailarch10txt list internetdrafts directories found httpwwwietforgshadowhtml ftpftpietforgietf1shadowsitestxt internetdrafts also obtained email send message mailservietforg body type file internetdraftsdraftcrockeremailarch10txt note mail server ietforg return document mimeencoded form using mpack utility use feature insert command encoding mime file command decode responses need munpack mimecompliant mail reader different mimecompliant mail readers exhibit different behavior especially dealing multipart mime messages ie documents split multiple messages check local documentation manipulate messages data enable mime compliant mail reader implementation automatically retrieve ascii version internetdraft dave crocker brandenburg internetworking bbiwnet next part next part embedded charsetunspecified text scrubbed name filecdocume1dhclocals1tempnsmailtxt url httpmipassocorgpipermailietfdkimattachments20080224a7fb73a9attachment0001txt hwgszcaagcom sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 3 date mon 25 feb 2008 094334 0500 mh michael hammer 5304 subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable hector santos messageid contenttype textplain charsetusascii also qualification asking receiver discard mail heavily phished domain ask lightly phished certain threshold phished mail discardable also mean sorry suffering enough right ask discard mail without intending put words johns mouth think meant risk legitimate email lost receiver respects discardable assertion respect sending domains need consider carefully implications making discardable assertion something along lines careful ask might get factor receiving domains going consider complaints received users undelivered email calculation whether respect discardable assertion know quite domains implemented manner things incorrectly poorly misunderstanding consequences actions experience sspdiscardableetc part senders receivers expect less problem say hope finally may domains use sort decision matrix uinvolving dkim discardable assertion context factors strong spf assertion particular email fails spf fails dkim may discard hand passses spf fails dkim may choose discard signing sender even feedback receivers im still position give specific numbers regard broken signatures forwarding etc numbers appear relatively small receiver domain perspective regard complaints small small enough im advocate discardable recognize isnt everyone ive said along also recognize though receiver domain customer support staff likely hear first undelivered emails receiver domain likely choose balance benefit listening discardable assertions increase support calls might result particular domains discardable assertion thoughts mike thu 07 aug 2008 164608 0800 ietfdkim digest vol 109 issue 1