rose bobby brosemedwayneedu oh yeh one thing none would explain signatures samplespamtxt spamassassin registered honor apt fire original message rose bobby sent thursday august 08 2002 954 mailvipulnet razorusersexamplesourceforgenet subject razorusers whats wrong razor servers thanks helps theres still little info tes us since razorv1 know works set min_cf ac100 thought would zero way suggesting works everyone trust level 1 work way trust level increases someone nominates message spam must new changes made beginning week unless changes dumped everyones trust level come questions engine signature tes look e1 signature use e2 e4 signatures many people nominate message everyones rating increases many revokes decreases someones rating single revoke decrease rating everyone nominated message newby reports message already reported trust level immediately go case revoking someone trust level 1 capability revoke message submitted multiple people higher trust levels original message vipul ved prakash mailtomailvipulnet sent thursday august 08 2002 422 razorusersexamplesourceforgenet subject razorusers whats wrong razor servers bobby couple things trusted reporter reports immediate effect takes bunch trusted reporters bump confidence signature point considered spam might frustrating initially number trusted users grows time delay nominations determination become shorter course lot frustating people legit mail filtered due incorrect reporting also purpose testing id suggest making min_cf razoragentsconf 0 min_cf defaults server recommended average confidence moment 1 setting min_cf 0 return true whatever submit long revoked trusted user aptfire sync honor every 5 minutes youd wait _maximum_ 5 minutes signatures propagate cheers vipul wed aug 07 2002 115121pm 0400 rose bobby wrote still happening nothing report registered confirmed also affects cloudmark outlook plugin block message outlook using spamnet run folder containing message reported nothing happens unix side ive tried different cloudmark servers different identies report different systems etc without effect find samplespamtxt spamassassin registered honorcloudmarknet comes back positive clearly syncd apt fire original message rose bobby sent wednesday august 07 2002 132 pm patrick cc mlrazorusers subject razorusers whats wrong razor servers im sure others thought probably way prevent include host reportrevoke authentication original message patrick mailtopatrickstealthgeeksnet sent wednesday august 07 2002 1233 pm rose bobby cc mlrazorusers subject razorusers whats wrong razor servers wed 7 aug 2002 rose bobby wrote well least confirmed say cetain started monday since noticed huge drop stats messages tagged razor know fine friday may something upgrades servers vipul mentioned tes going decide gets registered doesnt razorreport provide debug info refusal correct need info tes probably wont happen fear circumvention way work thought fairly easy ways circumvent imagine current trust model based individual users blindly submitting reports checking results hard imagine others havent well im bright patrick greenwell asking wrong questions leading cause wrong answers sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ razorusers mailing list razoruserslistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinforazorusers sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ razorusers mailing list razoruserslistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinforazorusers vipul ved prakash future software design artist widely distributed httpvipulnet william gibson sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ razorusers mailing list razoruserslistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinforazorusers sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ razorusers mailing list razoruserslistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinforazorusers sfnet email sponsored bythinkgeek welcome geek heaven httpthinkgeekcomsf _______________________________________________ razorusers mailing list razoruserslistssourceforgenet httpslistssourceforgenetlistslistinforazorusers thu 8 aug 2002 101946 0400 razorusers whats wrong razor servers