julian reschke julianreschkegmxde hi harald harald alvestrand wrote julian reschke wrote well theres definitively total disconnect iesg recommendation w3c tags point view see ongoing discussion tag mailing list xri scheme would good organizations could come consistent answers new uri scheme defined needs state identifies resolved identifies http resource resolution done via http seems dont need note totally disagree interesting follows something agree point trying make specification defines new uri scheme able state identifies intended resolvable resolution process works information isnt present held draft detest abhor condemn idea thing http resource using http resource something identified http url uri identifies resource yes one possibility accessing resource using http uri scheme http implication definer uri regarded normal way accessing resource whether resource static dynamic changeable matter strictly control manager server identified hostname uri yes certain usages http particular use http urls xml schemas tended denigrate implication say regard identifier still usage prevalent enough people complained servers identified popular xml schemas getting hit enough extra traffic cause operational problems ive heard well tried find exactly urls causing problem far tell always urls intended dereferenced urls dtds incorrect id love see pointer many resources accessed http many many cases guarantees given different mid uri means find copy message messageid probably message tag uri means someone intended uri unique reference figure given enough time effort havent even mentioned urns yet yes wg needs clear kinds resources identifying properties wants embed part uri scheme yes saying wasnt usually features warts http wont answer dont speak anyone based julians comments stand iesg advice one think w3c tag recommendation reported correctly weeds seems reading something comments isnt held draft 08 defines two new uri schemes define identity state resolve examples using untested http11 features resolution thats asking whether new naming scheme really needed br julian _______________________________________________ ietf mailing list ietfietforg httpswwwietforgmailmanlistinfoietf thu 07 aug 2008 052818 0400 new schemes vs recycling http past lc comments draftietfgeoprivhttplocationdelivery08