jeremyalummitedu jeremy hylton sm skip montanaro writes jeremy put another way id interested hear dont jeremy want use zodb sm disclaimer im saying dont want use zodb im sm offering reasons might everyones obvious sm choice youre saying want use zodb youre still part problem sm us experience zodb probably sm indirect via zope probably inaccurate sm perceptions thoughts come mind sm one time another sm could database company zope whose sole business sm databases reliable database sm organizations whose sole raison detre databases sm sleepycat postgres mysql dont think could argue zodb reliable berkeleydb true fewer database experts expend fewer resources working database reliability hand barry nearly finished berkeleydbbased storage zodb zodb object persistence tool uses database behind use filestorage use someone elses database although berkeleydb best offer moment would really cool postgres storage sm dealing zopes monolithic system frustrating people sm like used files reside sm filesystems frustration probably carries sm zodb though almost certainly zodbs sm problem sounds like zope complaint doesnt anything zodb maybe misunderstand dont store code database although mostly possible zodb4 seriously zodb stores object pickles database storage layer free manage pickles however likes filestorage uses single file toby dickensons directorystorage represents pickle separate file sm seems grow without bound else need pack sm datafs file every grows without bound unless pack problem berkeleydb log files grow without bound databases require tending one possibility filestorage add explicit pack call update training operation wed need think carefully performance impact sm also issue availability sm extra install use requires usual python sm install core distribution would provide sm stronger assurances runs wherever python runs eg sm run macos 8 9 believe jack still sm supports mac installer think wed want spambayes installer packaged spambayes python zodb jeremy _______________________________________________ spambayes mailing list spambayespythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfospambayes tue 26 nov 2002 111449 0500 spambayes guidance pickles versus db outlook