dave long dlsilcomcom unless parents selectively bred like livestock produce dont think make case im saying parents selected among reasons wanted others genes mixed offspring planning matter selecting produce offspring rather offspring two unrelated animals doesnt matter matter going phenotypes didnt engineer genetics example makes good case natural selection artificial married people live longer benefits matrimony acceptable health one qualities selected spouses course forks six fewer biological great grandparents offspring wilt eat words otherwise micromacro distinction seems much relevant dave guess reason disagree groups arguing checks genetic engineering use argument weve since prehistory dont need apply caution today one also view argument case checks livestock owners period millenia altered genetics herds dumber meatier tolerant industrial living caution order least likely people volunteer httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork wed 24 jul 2002 170649 0700 baseline raising chickens hightech way