eugen leitl eugenleitlorg eugen leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ icbmto n48 04148 e11 36412 httpeugenleitlorg 83e5ca02 ede4 7193 0833 a96b 07a7 1a88 aa58 0e89 83e5 ca02 forwarded message date fri 16 aug 2002 022305 0100 adam back cryptography cc cypherpunks adam back subject employment market applied cryptographers employment situation seems lot applied cryptographers currently unemployed tim dierks joseph excolleagues friends asked leads spate recent security consultant sigs plus heard straw poll attenders codecon conference earlier year showed close 50 work definitive security industry stats applied crypto people suffering higher rates unemployment general application programmers statistically small sample acquaintances might appear might think physical security push following world political instability worries following sep 11th would accompanied corresponding information security push jittery companies improving disaster recovery lesser extent info sec plans governments still harping infowar hype national information infrastructure protection us information security czar clarke making grandiose pronouncements industry ought various things usg spent last 10 years best frustrate industry dumb export laws even microsoft decided make play cleaning security act youd wonder fact cover palladium think likely big play terms future control points anticompetitive strategy well obviously play home entertainment system space drm however reasons perhaps cancelled dotcom bubble though saw news reports earlier though lots churn programmers general long term unemployment rates elevated general perhaps security infrastructure software upgrades first things canned cash runs short software security related contract employees laid ahead fulltimers certainly contracting seems flat general especially crypto software contracts look far least uk security people employed way familiar north america pki seems fizzled compared earlier exaggerated expectations presumably lots applied crypto jobs went pki companies downsizing ask use asn1 adoption broken complex illdefined itu standards x500 x509 delayed deployment schedules order magnitude strictly necessary contributed interoperability problems think significantly flop pki hard broken tech people something else custom crypto security related software development perhaps weighted towards dotcoms crashed big one probably lack measurability security developers limited crypto knowhow probably bodging crypto development gets done general certainly contributing crappy state crypto software probably failure realise issue perhaps caring lack financial incentives care part software developers microsoft really good one number times reused rc4 keys different protocols amazing explanations statistics sampleofone stories adam yes still employed sofware security industry addition crypto consulting since 97 httpwwwcypherspacenet interesting applied crypto projects reference commissions paid httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork fri 16 aug 2002 121534 0200 cest employment market applied cryptographers fwd