gary lawrence murphy garymcanadacom r robert harley writes r glm wrote java program due extensive class libraries weigh 10 number lines equivalent c program qed r massive amounts libraries c fortran r pick obvious example want linear r algebra java isnt serious candidate want http c gets pretty muddy curl best choice ive found grant language beall endall envy posting list ive business 24 years havent yet luxury writing every line code project always coerced budgets time maximize amount work done elsewhere much hate dealing someone elses blackbox much ive spent sleepless nights secondguessing external libs ive never ever luxury otherwise must wonderful responsible something actually responsible sick blamed peoples design mistakes maybe theres archive somewhere need know ive using c since drdobbs first published smallc yet ive never found decent lgpl libs cataloged way type task get back api javadoc means perfect java provides second best catalog 3rdparty libs second perls cpan perl one language also really hate passion yet end using exactly reason example take recent cbc olympics site needed roll together telnet client tokenizer perlregex preprocessing stream produce parseable xml project xml relational databases using dtd generate rdbms schema open xmlrpc interface read post items news stream find c libs components webserver needed multithreaded readonly http socket spawn persistent datacaching servlets periodically refresh socket connections relational database presenting retreived values xsltdefined transforms find stuff c langauge java wombat servlet spec perl inviting ready primetime reinventing entire shopping list c feasible one programmer inside 8 weeks need c libs even c libs wheres best place shop find standardsbased portable rdbms api odbc evaluate things without actually fetching every one trying perfect universe id use ocaml even ruby dont see social infrastructure either happening professional lifetime r many people outside suns marketing department r consider java write debug everywhere collegue cognos henk called c nearlyportable assembler gary lawrence murphy teledynamics communications inc business advantage community software httpwwwteledyncom computers useless give answerspablo picasso 28 aug 2002 150639 0400 java kiddies