matt kettler sgngcnuc_vgverizonnet andy dills wrote cant parse logic seperation pay shouldnt based volume yet generate much volume wish eliminate traffic entirelythey must pay traffic hit arbitrary cutoff query volume server load bandwidth increased costs uribl operators whats hard parse logic basically saying willing give away x mbytes bandwith x cpu hours per day free beyond need pay service least maps logical charging forprofit providing free nonprofit well afaik youre nonprofit youre commercial isp point isnt directly relevant situation still dont see anywhere says uribl requires nonprofits pay least offer steep discounts data feeds spamhaus latter dont exactly pricing website afaik youve seen profit mid sized isp heavy query load pricing take vernons dcc project provides value added service pay available free anybody well really true dcc free contribute back dcc queries dcc double volume report data makes dcc work first place using dcc youre directly giving back dcc free try run private server doesnt report statistics back public dcc network would make sense would rbl charged people generate 500k queries obtain data feed wanted still query high volume perhaps rbl would provide special low latency server queryable paying customers perhaps get latest updates faster public servers doesnt really seem sensible wants special server high volume site waste bandwidth well rbls really want rsync point arrangements appropriate valid ethical logical point view charge appropriate parties costbased fee much makes sense makes vern charging additional time maps charges theory profit directly indirectly filtering last case rbl would charging traffic exclusive access vern doesnt run maps anymore way vern perhaps im simply tired unable escape max weberesque iron cage grasp seemingly inconsistent paradigm charging wish reduce bandwidth costs organization openly begging donations even charge nonprofits barely reduced fee data feed price list make sense unless profit motivation got ta pay infrastructure somehow operators personal finances arent longlasting viable arrangement take organization profit motive charge reducing uribls bandwidth name common desire reduce mail abuse website seems motto spam sucks certainly serves explanation motive charging whose primary desire would reduce spam well expenses donation requesting swag peddling ad profiting organization google ads mild yet socially accepted form spam would say might say yes must stupid im able invent explanation doesnt involve profit motive perhaps theyre trying cover operating cost opposed operating loss personally think youre jumping conclusions good reason thu 07 aug 2008 052103 0500 time make multiuriblorg optional rather default