roger oberholtzer drtyuopqse fri 20080222 0613 0500 chris arnold wrote friday 22 february 2008 011807 roger oberholtzer wrote suggested making ncl floating window instead tray icon set ncl user preferences menu sure one see make floating window however see addition ncl start automatically add tray startup issue general compatibility issue turn tray app ncl start linux start renamed libindirectglso1 enabled compiz got white screen wonder compiz plugins compizfusionpluginsmain069_git07120413 compizemerald069_git08020811 compizmanager001_git08020111 compizemeraldthemes06011 compizconfigsettingsmanager069_git07120444 compiz07051 compizkde07051 compizfusionpluginsextra069_git08020811 ncl seems problem uptodate morning compizconfigsettingsmanager069_git07120444 compizmanager001_git080201110 libcompizconfig069_git08020816 compizkde07058 compizemeraldthemes06011 libcompizconfigbackendgconf069_git071204111 pythoncompizconfig069_git08020815 compizfusionkde062342 compizemerald069_git08020816 libcompizconfigbackendkconfig069_git08020814 compizfusionpluginsextra052_git07082422 compizfusionpluginsunsupported069_git08020815 compizfusionpluginsmain069_git08020816 compiz07058 fusionicon001_080201211 mine uptodate newer things things like compizfusionpluginsextra newer compiz older repositories repositoriesx11xglopensuse_103 repositoriesx11xglsuse_factory place else maybe mine odd trouble continual reappearance libindirectgl minor know deal go yastsoftware get conflict main extras plugins said get work compiz setup also get conflict install extras probably mine older select install anyway odd compiz older maybe sure repositories think compiz stuff two roger oberholtzer opq systems ramböll rst ramböll sverige ab kapellgränd 7 po box 4205 se102 65 stockholm sweden office int 46 8615 60 20 mobile int 46 70815 1696 mwbfbflsantronicscom sat apr 26 154854 2008 message 5 date sat 16 feb 2008 112406 0500 hector santos subject ietfdkim issue 1547 ssp02 mx record publishing mandateto reduce dns overhead ssp discovery detectfraudulent messages douglas otis cc dkim list mh michael hammer 5304 messageid 47b70e2610105santronicscom contenttype textplain charsetiso88591 formatflowed douglas otis wrote technically approach creates problem domain uses dkim publishes policy record support smtp well saw thread input since 80s multimail format networkinggateway products served millions course time think pretty good idea practical aspects primarily idea attempting obtain gateway perfection persistent mail integrity dkim transformation processes expecting bit much small part system major framework user option preserve mime yesno preserving mime tells gateway import save mail raw save local proprietary format text separated attachments preserving mime become important years customers users began use offline readers eg pop3 news readers era html mail acceptable another reason users turning option customers security reasons dont even offer option users save users mail native format important comes type mua question keep focus dkim x822 mail system imv regardless x822 mail sent moved gated transformed retransformed still x822 system finally gets ever messages converted protocol gateway smtp policydiscovery record check would detect smtp supported think proposing method domain declare policy says expect mail purported originate qwk fidonet news nntp xyz protocol posted system sounds like good idea think overkill believe benefits using policies restrict 3rd party signatures dkim value mua scaling overhead much less problem depends kind mua referring online offline see vendors deal design implementations many mail reading device methods online offline offline mua different considerations online mua ignore dkim users want pickup mail via pop3 think online users think good reason chaotic discussions subjective product designs imposing feature list everyone else instead focus functional logical points fundamental protocol let implementators decide best fits product lines instead get people mandating cant might ok made sense considerations general case systems really isnt hard either sign dont idea vendor product independent want know domain intended expected asked begin looking new level mail information ok looked see really simple concept always expect 1st signature yeah ok well dont see one reject message sometimes ok fine status quo expect 3rd party signature ok reject dont care ok fine status quo etc etc really dont see matters sent preferred type burglar knocking door sincerely hector santos cto httpwwwsantronicscom httpsantronicsblogspotcom thu 07 aug 2008 200503 0100 opensuse novell client install kmenu work