harleyargotech robert harley glm wrote java program due extensive class libraries weigh 10 number lines equivalent c program qed quod erat demonstrandum massive amounts libraries c fortran pick obvious example want linear algebra java isnt serious candidate furthermore plenty bugs occur libraries lower rate due users bitten much harder fix code many people outside suns marketing department consider java write debug everywhere r wed 28 aug 2002 185937 0200 cest java kiddies