konrad scheffler tnqcnlmancalacbiouctacza hi marcus indeed novel line thought find many related ideas work jaynes proposes form objective probability theory without concept randomness also seen arguments interpretations quantum theory without concept randomness find terminology used rich somewhat distressing bayesian point view absolutely implication randomness system described probabilistically use term objective probabilities denote something pertaining physical world implying bayesian interpretation probability necessarily subjective however objective bayesianism claims reason assume term outcome probabilities need subjective one interpret term probability referring degree belief hypothesis likely true conditional specific knowledge state interpretation objective probability simply means way probability assignedcalculated objective course needs scientific approach notice starting point view need introduce concept randomness nondeterminism let alone hypothesize thing applies real world detailed exposition approach see probability theory logic science et jaynes cambridge university press 2003 particular chapter 10 contains arguments similar made regards konrad sat 12 aug 2006 marcus hutter wrote hi rich plagued many us least since laplace universe deterministic something truly probabilistic going argument belief truly random universe ie belief objective probabilities unscientific independent whether actually true assumption event occurs objective probability expresses opinion occurrence individual stochastic event explanation ie inherently impossible predict sure one central goal science explain things often explanation yet acceptable say something principally explained means stop even trying find explanation distance tossing coin looks objectively random looking closer outcome subjectively unknown due observers lack knowledge initial conditions external influences coin throw knowing exact initial conditions exact equations motion classical physics predictable includes chaotic systems physicists claim quantum mechanics truly random indeed quite evidence suggest experiments exclude possibility quantum events pseudorandom juergen schmidhuber stresses fact several recent papers see httpwwwidsiachjuergencomputeruniversehtml seems safer honest say current technology understanding determine subjective outcome probabilities sufficiently large community people arrive subjective probabilities prior knowledge one may want call probabilities objective instance people special equipment education fair coin comes head 50 cases people far measure spin one photon parapositronium decay 50 cases one hand abandon objective probabilities assumption seems unscientific hand assumption convenient without objective probabilities would objective unbiased coins dice mdps radioactive decays etc maybe one admit gray scale less subjective probabilities describe argument book hutter universal artificial intelligence 2005 httpwwwhutter1netaiuaibookhtm dont know extend novel line thought cheers marcus _____________________ marcus hutter jdykjnglapjsgmxnet httpwwwhutter1net echte dslflatrate dauerhaft für 0 euro nur noch kurze zeit feel free mit gmx dsl httpwwwgmxnetdegodsl uai mailing list thu 07 aug 2008 103252 0200 uai determinism verses chance