phillip j eby moetelecommunitycom 0515 pm 3192008 0500 jeff rush wrote phillip j eby wrote 0357 3192008 0500 jeff rush wrote open giving certain others patch viewcommit privileges setuptools jim fulton already im open extending others good grasp subtleties involved truthfully get 06 put bed could probably open trunk lot wider needed put 06 bed help accelerate get tracker set im already main python one might well use certainly possible someone create parallel packaging moduleset uses existing eggs format pypi without currently codebase proven work lobby distutils 3000 yep believe something look rather like zcbuildout setuptools actually specifically datadriven rather scriptdriven flexibility sort parts get build methods setuptools still rooted distutils world world cant depend components around build things frankly id like see setuptools exploded parts general use folded back standard library creation set nonimplementationspecific documents distribution formats behavior leaving small core one implementation door open others compete implementation apart exploding part already documents thing makes implementationspecific havent passed magic blessing process make standards document ideas someplace start getting community input lot diverse opinions right way way ahead quite unclear might talking different things im concerned replacing setuptools distutils buildanddistribute side whats needed weeding many ways simple things fixing complete absence ways complex things simple things distutils hard slightlymorecomplex things entry barrier encourages people abandon replace package management side im somewhat inclined agree need community approach though btw offtopic question chance jeff rush invented echomail yep thats many remember fidonet days designed echomail napkin dfw sysop pizza party conversation unused capability interbbs private file transfers escaped ecosystem spread like wildfire almost getting banned fidonet ah know like develop setuptools might even met one dfw sysop pizza party ever attended back ran freezone ferris buellers fine arts forum back late 80s early 90s wife met dfw bbs list back computer shopper modem bought software etc allen wherever place chain store little consignment shop days really getting offtopic _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 114656 0400 pythondev capsule summary packagingdeployment technology concerns