john hall johnhallevergonet die offs areas better records parallel support claims european diseases devastating american hemisphere populations reverse never true unlike example india asia hot dispute original size indigenous population evidence high density mexican area sound north amazon im little suspicious high upward revisions least take never heard anyone seriously argue european diseases significant factor fact lot aztec people prior cortez gee ive never heard someone argue unseriously either reference book article original message forkadminxentcom mailtoforkadminxentcom behalf robert harley sent sunday august 18 2002 457 pm forkspamassassintaintorg cc rahshipwrightcom subject alqaedas fantasy ideology policy review 114 see jared diamonds excellent guns germs steel story yeah know party line evidence extremely meagre new worlders two entire continents tens millions people plenty big enough reservoir infectious diseases thrive records show plagued long 1492 take ireland early 1800s assume population circa 8 million take ireland around 1900 assume population much 3 million ignore natural variations mortality natality omit emigration observe great famine middle deduce killed 5 million actually 1 transpose 16th century mexico grossly inflate estimates precontact population nobody damn clue anyway underestimate later population levels deduce 10s millions died lather rinse repeat r httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork sun 18 aug 2002 194306 0700 alqaedas fantasy ideology policy review 114