paul moore vlasdutgmailcom 20032008 phillip j eby wrote 0555 pm 3202008 0000 paul moore wrote object existence automatic dependency management object given choice preference handling things manually unacceptable note easy_install nodeps option make default distutilscfg file sorry wasnt clear theres context helps even wasnt clear tres told download dependencies use offline actually knew thats point clarified didnt want use dependency management preferred manage dependencies manually went say putting dependency information setupexe expecting users use automatic dependency resolution encourages developers omit dependency details documentation extent cant quantify believe nonzero lack documentation forces rely automatic process thing removes choice easy_installs ability skip dependency checking im sorry wasnt clearer defence posting pretty long already trying brief also setuptoolsbased packages build bdist_wininst installers fact memory serves added feature request know python setuppy bdist_wininst thank adding miss point people starting omit distributing bdist_wininst installers favour eggs knowledge convert egg bdist_wininst installer cant compile source c extension complex dependencies example youre stuck sense youre forced use eggs without addremove programs support personally im thrilled number complaints thread could resolved rtfming extensive manuals contain information people saying isnt several cases ive seen today alone actually entries tables contents name precise thing people characterizing undocumented even impossible like making package available easyinstall installing unnetworked machines custom installation locations restricting downloads allowhosts easy get impression people didnt rtfm didnt even read friendly table contents said found something manual didnt understand write distutilssig ask anybody explain perhaps suggest ways fms could improved said know documentation long b full jargon need understand follow believe ive tried read ultimately im trying work something simple download exe run pc browseronly access internet bdist_wininst world thats im equally thrilled read many pages dense documentation find heck read documentation twice asked distutilssig worked easy_install zmax reason remember without looking zmax memorable z plus word max idea without going back manual individual options id say documentation needs better said tutorialstyle summary short writing honestly im trying help improve measure improvement certainly setuptools ive done much homework feel appropriate havent studied whole manual way treated fault havent done enough discouraging honest somewhat offensive im going quit thread dont want turn things flamewar believe tres took points board hope others certainly dont expect everything say taken gospel thats enough paul _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 172536 0000 pythondev pep 365 adding pkg_resources module