herbert graeber wluhegraeberclande donnerstag 14 februar 2008 202727 schrieb aaron kulkis herbert graeber wrote mittwoch 13 februar 2008 163601 schrieb victor antonio chávez de anda dont know command format hard disk know thankx god isnt windows try format doesnt work please anyone help ther many ways depending need several file system types parameters commend simple ext3 format replace xxx partitions name eg devsdb1 first partion second drive sudo mke2fs j devxxx enter man mk2fs mke2fs konquereor use get information eww usb disk definitely journalled filesystem ext3 reiserfs xfs sure try man mke2fs see j create journal thus creating ext3 file system one even better usb disk significantly slower harddisk may use external journal proper unmounting essential cheers herbert drresistornet sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 4 date mon 25 feb 2008 090337 0800 sm subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable mh michael hammer 5304 cc gfkyhddlmipassocorg messageid 625622008022507310902b894e0resistornet contenttype textplain charset 0643 25022008 mh michael hammer 5304 wrote without intending put words johns mouth think meant risk legitimate email lost receiver respects discardable assertion respect sending domains need consider carefully implications making discardable assertion something along lines careful ask might get receiver might read sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered factor receiving domains going consider complaints received users undelivered email calculation whether respect discardable assertion know quite domains implemented manner things incorrectly poorly misunderstanding consequences actions experience sspdiscardableetc part senders receivers expect less problem say hope john levine made case discardable useful doesnt even want rejections receiver also decide 1 key retrieved dns 2 failures dkim checks excluding hash verification 3 mta failures moment treated temporary failure avoid blockback receiver might well drop mail domain receiver domain likely choose balance benefit listening discardable assertions increase support calls might result particular domains discardable assertion yes regards sm udcatmailabuseorg sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 5 date mon 25 feb 2008 095201 0800 douglas otis subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable sm cc dkim list messageid 72759e90a188458aacdd58f5a09e0029mailabuseorg contenttype textplain charset feb 25 2008 903 sm wrote receiver might read sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered agreed steve atkins also opined assertion _does not_ offer solution addressed rfc 5016 requirements draft section 32 signing complete assertion recommended silent diminished handling dsns handling transactional messages discard fashion hides possible protocol issue ssp draft could recommend use rfc 3464 examples specific dkim signature failures diminished handling dsns may also predicated upon rfc 2821 mailfrom within rfc 2822 fromdkim domain could assist high profile domains deal dsn messages without also handling backscatter purportedly domains would possible include signing complete assertion would drawback allowing type assertion doug hwgszcaagcom sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 6 date mon 25 feb 2008 131751 0500 mh michael hammer 5304 subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable sm cc gfkyhddlmipassocorg messageid contenttype textplain charset original message sm mailtodrresistornet sent monday february 25 2008 1204 pm mh michael hammer 5304 cc gfkyhddlmipassocorg subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable receiver might read sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered might domains take stance wouldnt expect mainstream domains take stance expect financial institutions somewhat early adopters ispmailbox provider decides discardable means dont bother trying deliver mail prepared beef customer service staff handle complaints significant difference sendedr saying recognize fraction percent legitimate mail might get delivered assertion followed sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered mike mwbfbflsantronicscom sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 7 date mon 25 feb 2008 140528 0500 hector santos subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable mh michael hammer 5304 cc gfkyhddlmipassocorg messageid 47c311787060708santronicscom contenttype textplain charset mh michael hammer 5304 wrote original message receiver might read sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered might domains take stance wouldnt expect mainstream domains take stance expect financial institutions somewhat early adopters ispmailbox provider decides discardable means dont bother trying deliver mail prepared beef customer service staff handle complaints beef legal retainers well significant difference sendedr saying recognize fraction percent legitimate mail might get delivered assertion followed sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered 1 less issue discardable policy lack one policies handling semantics interesting email abuse two different policies see clear legal claims neglect highvalue domains dont use discardable words receiver sees damaging goods continues pass damaged goods asap says user harm someone going responsible whole thing ridden fleas ongoing administrator myth product liability risk discarding mail especially issuing 250 acceptance smacks 1986 us epca provisions satisfying user expectations dynamic smtp level reject satisfy instant notification accepting discarding runs huge risk people better get right sincerely hector santos cto httpwwwsantronicscom httpsantronicsblogspotcom gsdszblightycom sat apr 26 154925 2008 message 8 date mon 25 feb 2008 104338 0800 steve atkins subject ietfdkim discardable means discardable dkim list messageid 1687e7705ec146138513b182767b990bblightycom contenttype textplain charset feb 25 2008 1017 mh michael hammer 5304 wrote receiver might read sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered might domains take stance wouldnt expect mainstream domains take stance expect financial institutions somewhat early adopters ispmailbox provider decides discardable means dont bother trying deliver mail prepared beef customer service staff handle complaints significant difference sendedr saying recognize fraction percent legitimate mail might get delivered assertion followed sender doesnt care whether mail gets delivered theyre statement cared mail send delivered wouldnt deploy something design cause fraction delivered provide benefits cheers steve _______________________________________________ note well list operates according wed 06 aug 2008 085458 0100 opensuse formated external usb hard disk konsole