vvrpgsporcupineorg per jessen wietse venema wrote per jessen victor duchovni wrote reinstall postfix system postfix using default bundled versions berkeleydb ldap ssl sasl avoid dll hell couldnt agree using bundled stuff system working flawlessly least 6 months morning around 1000 started fiddling case something changed machine best bet find change broke postfix sense asking broken postfix crashes depending commandline options instead need find change broke postfix completely agree hoping someone might able answer question subject line last nine hours ive trying work change could affected behaviour suggest taking last system backup unpacking spare disk comparing current system backed copy wietse rdsnosxconstantcontactcom sun feb 24 103010 2008 message 15 date tue 12 feb 2008 142739 0500 siegel ellen subject ietfdkim unacceptable issue ssp02 discardableinappropriately specifies possible verifier action douglas otis steve atkins cc dkim list messageid 2n3n56881uii2095a93n5koi162i20vz29jnf688corpmail1rovingcom contenttype textplain charsetusascii original message lrbigfuhnacdbbdmipassocorg mailtoietfdkim xddnvjgmipassocorg behalf douglas otis feb 12 2008 857 steve atkins wrote feb 12 2008 825 frank ellermann wrote term mail 46 occurences rfc 4408 imo suspicious better discardable 2821bis terms discard drop adding tons caveats without noting nontechnical facts eg dropping mail violate constitution base law live level ordinary crimes personally really must invent new term instead sticking suspicious simply fail authheaders using unacceptable clearly indicates receivers already dropped ball accepted unaccptable mail doesnt match semantics ssp discardable match semantics ssp issue dont like semantics ssp implies youd prefer circumspect describing theyd valid concerns theyre quite different ssp assertion defined terms verifier actions defining action premature case term discardable likely result often inappropriate actions ssp could use term noncompliant assertion sole legitimate signer actions remain within discretion verifier state assertion judged compliance domains assertions discardable match semantic permit assessment compliance talking policy tag value description email match published policy perhaps part confusion appear using term discardable contexts discardable policy tag value reflect author pov understand concern may want advocating actual discarding messages dont comply published author practice various reasons perhaps could fixed simply updating descriptiondefinition discardable category rather searching alternate tag value ellen _______________________________________________ note well list operates according end ietfdkim digest vol 107 issue 4 wed 06 aug 2008 190939 0500 give whats significant difference smtp smtp v