tres seaver zrkfcqepalladioncom begin pgp signed message hash sha1 paul moore wrote ill chime really want like setuptoolseasy_install dont ill try specific reasons hope addressed know known one metadislikes setuptools known issues never seem get addressed know patches accepted havent got time either thanks feedback windows world whence blissfully exiled years 1 integration system packager windows case easy_install nose nose show addremove programs significantly affects way manage pc point taken course isnt really program point installed addon python however windows users expect addons show system list good know ill note use easy_install work nonsystem locations want install python packages usrlibpython2x use standard system installer eg aptget install pythonfrobnatz routinely create nonsystem python environments development using either alternate pythons virtualenv environments works well 2 uninstaller easy_install nose get rid later searching files delete even obviously named ones good enough people ask unix platforms well often adding request pacakges installed dependencies packagebeingremoved go away well install everything way works system package manager course dont need deleting libpython2xsitepackagesfooxyxegg directory actually required uninstall egg previouly added via easy_install cleaning equivalent entry easy_installpth directory strictly required wonder gui managing addons would fit bill alternative packaging though standalone programs 3 pkg_resources documentation particular thats one ive tried follow extremely hard read partly style partly couched unfamiliar terms distributions working sets interfaces providers etc also huge tutorial style overview supported api detail would far better many terms distutils jargon actually think jeff rush recent work looks like good start 4 hard use limited connectivity work access internet via internet explorer ms based proxy workarounds ultimately download installer run far simpler approach dont know make requirement compatible using shared dependencies except make easier folks download requirements later install local distribution cache directory full zip egg tgs files turn quite easy build pypistyle simple index cache use case would require 1 run command fetch desired package transitive closure dependencies working directory cache 2 run another command build index directory 3 run easy_install pointing local index 5 autodiscovery doesnt always work im sorry really cant recall example moment sometimes easy_install says cant find package know available usually indicates incompatible dependencies packages already installed index eg already package foo installed version compatible requirements package bar cant install bar even though distribution available pypi centrallymanaged index packages conflicts pretty much inevitable time dont subset form weve calling known good set strategy zopeland 6 splitting community windows users rely heavily binary installers least starting get situation projects provide egg files provide traditional bdist_wininstbdist_msi installers bad one way werent add remove programs requirement mentioned would better authors pure python packages uploaded sdist distributions cleanly converted platformlocal eggs install time even windows packages contain c extensions typically must upload bdist_win version benefit vast majority windows users cant bulid extensions locally uploading binary distribution pretty much lose underlying platform dependencies ucs2 vs ucs4 i386 vs x64 framework vs universal vs macports vs fink etc lead combinatorial expolosions segfaults better let installer fetch source build locally problems solved problem seeing features setuptools added standard library resource apis pluginentry point apis ways create executable scripts things standardised dependency resolution automatic installation isnt something like probably windows user ive never used system mistrust works system dont mind hope helps much thanks tres tres seaver 1 5404290999 zrkfcqepalladioncom palladion software excellence design httppalladioncom begin pgp signature version gnupg v146 gnulinux comment using gnupg mozilla httpenigmailmozdevorg id8dbqfh4mofgerls4ltq4rapblajwi0be1ctskgpaydeyh2qd0ka6qcencf 5pg43ot4h954a87zwiouwlo s4yf end pgp signature _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 123716 0400 pythondev pep 365 adding pkg_resources module