tom tomwhoreslacknet wed 24 jul 2002 elias sinderson wrote sorry karl confusing things thos saying selective breeding counted genetic engineering whereas extending definition include attration parents felt grain selective breeding cross polinization ie macrogenetic activites dealing big structures like whole sheep plants seed etc manipulating actual dna protein sequences etc etc microgenetic activity macrogenetic activites decades decades testing microgentic activities guys get point yet want play another round obscura detalist retardo tom httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork wed 24 jul 2002 165340 0400 edt baseline raising chickens hightech way