eugen leitl eugenleitlorg fri 6 sep 2002 russell turpin wrote dont swallow quickly read traditional cultures today past dont swallow offering anecdotal firsthand experiences number cultures indicating 1 apparently problem 2 requires ad hoc handwaving approach trivial obvious xy statistics poor mans divorce centuries past sure kids 18th thats easy divorce didnt happen church society looked relatively recently privilege granted kings recently commoners century england functional today 20th century saudi arabia saudi arabia meaningful emigration source least viewpoint demographics sustainability counterpressure gerontocracy resulting innovatiophobia something wrong granting first two points im skeptical last see signs america specifically wasnt talking us specifically though demographics problem exists well albeit extent eurotrash facing right west generally suffering lack innovation visavis youth nations iran 1 im seeing lack innovation disturbing trend towards even less innovation autocatalytic process gerontocracy favors gerontocracy last read third generation revolution want move america b failing importing everything american point west us first foremost importing innovation carriers working bad trend demographics large scale import kinda sorta works short run something sustainable fri 6 sep 2002 155747 0200 cest selling wedded bliss ouch