karl anderson kramonkeyorg dave long writes also strikes long livestock genetically engineered dumber meatier better adapted living industrial conditions willing count artificial selection genetic engineering happening since preliterate times called domestication willing count hope since isnt natural selection genetic engineering karl anderson kramonkeyorg httpwwwmonkeyorgkra httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork 23 jul 2002 160018 0700 baseline raising chickens hightech way