phillip j eby moetelecommunitycom time absorb pythondev threads setuptools bootstrap rest think see opportunity let people route around damage eggs still making possible people want use easy_install put dependencies setuppy get want without needing install eggs either time address issues remain around uninstalling packages system vs user packages pythonpath sitepy woes really pretty much every complaint ive heard last days setuptools stomping peoples stuff even pauls windows issues hopefully might asking okay telling go fix setuptools well cant without help pythondev distutilssig create updated standard installed package metadata updating pep 262 database installed python packages include input system packaging folks support namespace packages support setuptoolscompatible dependency information whats got anything well without setuptools cant support uninstall conflict management without using eggs compartmentalize installed files use eggs munge pth files install sitepy installing pythonpath ugliness follows directly absence pep 262style installation database sure setuptools could create version almost four years ago look open issues part pep 262 youll see comments back decided two reasons first distutils didnt support yet didnt help conflict detection avoidance real world point second uninstall tools id write one zeds easy_fing_uninstall contrary aint easy aversion deleting stuff peoples systems without knowing break theres big difference typing rm rf however tools exist distributed database everybody agrees use officiallyblessed standard possible setuptools coexist framework happy campers particular installing eggs sucks camp happy itll possible anyone else write version easy_install doesnt install eggs setuptoolsbased packages go back setuppy install install things old way default accomplish value need 1 hash consensus around changes enhancements needed pep 262 resolve previouslylisted open issues come since namespace packages dependency specifications canonical nameversion forms anything else comes 2 update replace implementation appropriate modify distutils support python 26 beyond support means ensure install bdist commands update database bdist_rpm bdist_wininst bdist_msi commands even bdist_dumb probably also include addremove programs stuff windows case 3 create document system packagers referencing pep introducing whatwhyhow standard case werent one original participants creating probably take nontrivial work python 26 probably possible start dont think critical uninstall tool distributed 26 long theres reasonable way bootstrap installation later questions comments volunteers _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 141710 0400 pythondev get rid eggs 26 beyond