hudibras uppgzizrgmailcom el lun 18022008 las 0344 0500 aaron kulkis escribió ne wrote feb 18 2008 713 hudibras wrote completely configurable kde4 else say doesnt blame remove kde4 home directory time use navigator konqueror4 crashes even enter packman site site flash plugin instance understand opensource always developing consider important thing stable release completely usable configurable reliable kde4 like sorry opinion well tell since complain explained work progress dont go use something else youre obtuse whether kde 4 ready replace kde 3 work progress precisely problem kde 4 ready replace kde 3 nobody including would describing work progress kde3 works use kde4 works _without_ krashing problems isnt right kde 3 problems deliberately engineer situations experience problems meanwhile kde 4s konsole crashes far done gripe putting mildly people list talking current weaknesses kde 4 code base indicate yet ready anything experimenting say industry consultant customer wanted migrate windows kde could tell customer straight face kde 4 right first week april stable enough configurable enough use business environment suggest take elsewhere excuse proper place discussion dont like unsubscribe us know kde suse devs know encourage without folks like constantly sniping youre misrepresenting said neither anyone else sniping devs im sure everyone else would love kde 4 stable complete enough absolutely replace kde 3 without slightest hesitation unfortunately present time case although appears list seem think wishing kde 4 solid enough replace kde 3 automatically makes true ive arguing making kde 4 default ready give suse kde bad reputation especially among whose first exposure linux distribution immature kde 4 product default kde desktop theres sniping people whose words reveal whatever reason emotionally invested shoving kde 4 suse 110 apparently default version kde matter many showstoppers still present code simply irresponsible people get burned worst sort misguided decision least amount experience knowledge linux software one thing ive always like suse always forwardlooking distro willing explore new software product overall quite reliable way 101 release online update nightmare somebody group decided rush immature code yast created serious problem theres absolutely reason repeat damned mistake againespecially since stitches previous selfinflicted wound recently removed user want suse good product mei want good product everyone tries use enough experience avoid swamps quicksand pits lest think im old stickinthemud doesnt like change quit buying redhat switched suse 6x days entirely opposite reason redhat stopped including newer software distros adopted one true xyz attitude nearly every class application either liked particular app chose would go hunt search alternatives contrast earlier releases included many competing apps similar things allowing user try whatever apps want decide like best suse still things today also like suse distros understandmaking kde 4 default kde desktop wont hurt mebecause im informed enough know whats going kde thats point point making suse good product arent fully aware kde 34 issuewhich would people whatever reason making first leap moving windows suse coming months crucial time linuxand getting decent percentage market share desktops nowornever proposition suggest read want acrosstheindustry support linux goal allowed inadvertantly ruined emotiondriven release flaky desktop manager major distribution even decent number expert users noticing basic problems like konsole crashing ne thank aaron couldnt explicit english wasnt bad cheers aop dyrbcmciscocom sun feb 24 103010 2008 message 3 date tue 12 feb 2008 103554 0800 jim fenton subject ietfdkim issue rename ssp asp nonlmuutbbiwnet cc gfkyhddlmipassocorg messageid 47b1e70a9070806ciscocom contenttype textplain charsetiso88591 formatflowed dave crocker wrote practices ssp describe specific rfc2822 header field defines author message seek describe practices agents email handling name specification reflect precise scope current name sender signing practices imprecise misleading name changed author signing practices asp 1 given wg draft called ssp individual draft called asp understand also active revision would support name change would introduce confusion ie active discussion draft name would use jim wed 06 aug 2008 204942 0100 opensuse kde4