aaron kulkis cmiqlkx91hotpopcom lew wolfgang wrote randall r schulz wrote monday 18 february 2008 1033 per jessen wrote problem advocating use forums bulletin boards mailing lists news servers yes problem specific objection going continue feign incredulity lots antiweb form examples posted agree biggest objection forums basically pull process mailing lists closer push dont time graze information need id rather appear doorstop speak summarizes perfectly discussions best facilitated push processes pull processes hinder discussion time webforums encourage driveby vandalism every yahoogroups group works dualmode yahoo provides mailing list webforum mode access every group attract lot spamming unless heavy moderation usenet newsgroups attract lot spam tends topicdependantalthough would say usenet nntp framework transmits nntp needs revamped usenet developed early 1980s time spam problem people committing bad behavior immediately identifiable someone position authority notified little difficulty usenet exception onechannel supplies newsgroups architecture university superior government superior private sector persons supervisor whatever defence contractor miscreant worked usenet pull allows much better access data opinion able find first mention name would say usenet much push email log email usenet server grab email usenet messages sources delivered groups subscribed usenet comes hard disk one message page messages time webinduced delays time delivery 1000 overhead html crap compared size messages actually want read etc compsysamiga nov 14 1986 first posting dec 26 1990 recrailroad thanks google thunderbird works quite well newsgroups email lists newsgroups distributed technology quite robust face network damage censorship regards lew wolfgang wed 06 aug 2008 220152 0500 opensuse true news group