text_combined: andy dills kngfxecunet sorry length hate wall text last three paragraphs contain essence thoughts concerns wed 20 feb 2008 justin mason wrote matt kettler writes general im somewhat averse systems undocumented vague policies sa case point razor used disabled default due rather vague policy high volume use didnt really define volume 1 havent decided remove spamhaus usage base ruleset yet hasnt come discussion nobody take remaining inclusion spamhaus kind indication approve policies respect desire withold judgement always clear cut issue depending perspective nothing else making people aware potential future fees would perhaps good idea customers arrange filter thresholds based amounts introductory trial service worth dcc razor bayes checking cache missed spam going back past three months unknowingly blocked uriblorg say impact minimal fact timeelapsedspamcheck seems dropped average half second perhaps would smaller difference blocked overall still winwin uribl doesnt get bogus traffic delay deployment next filtering server cluster bit equates potential 15 increase efficiency certain amount respect anybody gives time effort help fight mail abuse even dont agree tangential policies good luck dallas hopefully least upfront inform people relies assumption part submit samples uribl provide free mirrors exists possibility money generated consumed expenses related project perhaps disclose financials im douchebut seriously doubt given openly ask paypal donations google ads sell branded merchandise never mentioning nonpassword protected page could find also sell data feeds perhaps would provide negative motivation donate support cause buying uribl tshirt overall feel like theyre leveraging default inclusion spamassassin eventually create revenue streams unsuspecting companies would happily pay fee afterall generate 400k queries today eventually generate 500k queries comes email suggesting obtain data feed giving impression associated fees guess grown accustomed long standing symbiotic relationship spam warriors service providers rely help us filter incoming mail rely us prevent least diligantly mitigate spam coming large number potential sources networks supposed together working sides equation soon motivation stops preventing spam becomes making money essentially equate various large networks providing transit spammers desperation pay overbuilt networks meet quarterly revenue goals apply uribl perhaps sure felt like data feed request form magically turned shopping cart selected responses first three dropdowns cant parse logic seperation pay shouldnt based volume yet generate much volume wish eliminate traffic entirelythey must pay traffic hit arbitrary cutoff least maps logical charging forprofit providing free nonprofit take vernons dcc project provides value added service pay available free anybody would make sense would rbl charged people generate 500k queries obtain data feed wanted still query high volume perhaps rbl would provide special low latency server queryable paying customers perhaps get latest updates faster public servers arrangements appropriate valid ethical logical point view charge appropriate parties costbased fee vern charging additional time maps charges theory profit directly indirectly filtering last case rbl would charging traffic exclusive access perhaps im simply tired unable escape max weberesque iron cage grasp seemingly inconsistent paradigm charging wish reduce bandwidth costs organization openly begging donations even charge nonprofits barely reduced fee data feed make sense unless profit motivation take organization profit motive charge reducing uribls bandwidth name common desire reduce mail abuse website seems motto spam sucks certainly serves explanation motive charging whose primary desire would reduce spam well expenses donation requesting swag peddling ad profiting organization google ads mild yet socially accepted form spam would say might say yes must stupid im able invent explanation doesnt involve profit motive id think taxing rich provide poor werent providing free service theory generate 400k queries per day dozens individual nameservers around globe charge spam filtering btw turn around charge nonprofit generates 600k queries per day single primary caching nameserver setup reduce bandwidth costs much possible somebody help way long im waiting couple buildworlds think shady feels good luck regardless andy andy dills xecunet inc wwwxecunet 3016829972 thu 07 aug 2008 051152 0500 time make multiuriblorg optional rather default