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b dnsbls giving spammers pass exchange cash insulting dnsbl operators anyone provide examples currently wellrespected frequently used dnsbls know positive giving spammers pass exchange cash havent severely taken woodshed public forums example id like know closest thing think dnsbl operators giving larger mainsleasers pass fear sued business emphasizes riskyness business profiteering quid pro quo think shady feels disclaimer im admin surbl also run separate forprofit dnsbl requires monthly subscription payment access even emailed andy offlist tell subscription baseddnsbl case would help think countless unbillable hours ive spend creating two worldclass blacklists past years uri list rbl well time ive spent helping surbl confess reading andys comments ready throw furniture across room time cant help feel like uribls prices seem bit steepthen maybe wouldnt think mail hosting business really enough business generate enough queries raise alarms iow current size business prices seem high 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messageid 01c873a5fbb80b802015737daanthrs xpriority 3 normal date wed 20 feb 2008 095011 0800 xmimetrack itemize smtp server external1winetweirrelease 656fp2october 17 2007 02192008 071320 pm serialize notes client scott pichelmanuswarweirrelease 80august 02 2007 02202008 093122 serialize complete 02202008 093122 contenttransferencoding 7bit contenttype textplain formatflowed charsetusascii hello bored afternoon nice girl would like chat email wtvtlthepagandoorwayinfo using friends email write see private pics theo van dinter2 wrote wed feb 20 2008 092428am 0800 pichels wrote usrlibperl5site_perl561mailspamassassinmessagenodepm line 119 learned tokens 0 messages 1 messages examined found post explained bug pach nodepm file patched httpissuesapacheorgspamassassinshow_bugcgiid5823 bug 5823 isnt related messagenode wnlqzsmail spamemail salearn spam mosconj0220081 learned tokens 0 messages 1 messages examined could mean message already learned however sa debug lint score email 25 missing_hb_sep missing blank line message header body exceedingly likely input message malformed pastebot message somewhere look let know randomly selected tagline thats dont like videos commercial read robert gombert view message context httpwwwnabblecomsalearn22not22learningtp15594114p15596189html sent spamassassin users mailing list archive nabblecom thu 07 aug 2008 062414 0500 time make multiuriblorg optional rather default