text_combined: gregory alan bolcer gbolcerendeavorscom gary lawrence murphy wrote although like total shock 99999 5nines employed website designers truth webforms accept us country incredible true web forms also accept multiple even freeform telephone numbers even partitioned manageable steps also done without selling exclusive rights wallet worlds secondrichest corporation assuming cisco still 1 vendor locking business small transaction fee tithe ah youve gotten crux situation theres good design bad design theres good testing bad testing problem anyone design good web form nobody think best practices hasnt caught main street web enablement yet theres really great packages stuff fact usability people knew web forms needed fixed 5 years ago thats got xforms xhtml shoot foot people usually problem dont even recognize theyre gimpyever keeping trundling along making mess everything assured job security build web forms without even caring used beyond test machine piece software security warning came 5 years ago would run software wouldnt patched upgraded something fundamentally broken 4 years 11 months ago want know would someone use web forms best practices 5 years ago mean get college degree time imagine next version microsoft windows red hat linux forced use tiled window manager sure tiled windows best brief period time completely useless except terminal based replacement applications bottom line cant get across bridge broken regardless whose fault really business needs take responsibility ones wanted put bridge first place greg sun 29 sep 2002 074245 0700 ebusiness webforms cluetrain left station