text_combined: paul moore vlasdutgmailcom 09042008 stanley klein wrote think raise interesting issue package manager simplistic answer whatever someone uses manage packages level functionality irrelevant long suits individuals way working dont think ever said windows broken area package management hope didnt say oftenraised point grate implication says isnt real package management another flavour old windows vs linux os wars dont want participate experience files windows programs tend put directory devoted program rather put directories files similar purposes one time default location windows word processing files even subdirectory word processing program changed form user home directory didnt change much program files unixlinux puts files specific areas file system functional commonality one could almost say windows default approach structuring filesystem avoids minimizes need package management agreed minimal package manager windows arguably reasonable precisely standard layout doesnt require much hand microsoft bad habit changing standards particular vista changes lot things thats offtopic ill avoid going detail repeat issue mainly arises windows doesnt kind filesystem structure therefore need package management systems dont know windows addremove programs function might run executable install packages record installation previously done third party programs facilitate clean removal precisely could argue linix filesystem structure complex causes need complex package managers precisely impossible manually keep track file owned package way lies os wars wont make major point ask people consider possibility believe mac os x goes even simpler structure applications store everything one directory installuninstall simply directory copyremove wont comment proves unless perform functions listed doubt would call addremove package manager ok would though dont really want much later said dont windows youve pretty clear youre looking information rather trying explain think windows work many people arent balanced views makes hard discussion id suggest people without windows experience leave windows side windows people accept say xxx wont work us statement probably true find whole discussion hugely confusing lot people stating opinions environments seems dont use know much dont know avoid make highly unlikely practical progress get made paul _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom thu 07 aug 2008 131331 0100 pythondev distutils easily consume parts eggs good