text_combined: phillip j eby moetelecommunitycom 0357 3192008 0500 jeff rush wrote open giving certain others patch viewcommit privileges setuptools jim fulton already im open extending others good grasp subtleties involved truthfully get 06 put bed could probably open trunk lot wider one things slows patches usually dont come tests usually manually smoketest scenarios think theyll effect isnt really automated procedure probably frustrating thing chief amongst frustrating things setuptools development black hole mean backward compatibility cruft accretion make difficult get beginning distutils distutils begat setuptools setuptools begat virtualenv zcbuildout source control plugins etc etc think really needed long run keep eggs get rid setuptools distutils current form theres lot brokenness also lot accumulated cruft really need distutils 3000 needs built better approach truth real motivation pep 365s bootstrap tool isnt much support package management tools today support new one tomorrow ideas ways shift paradigm individual projects get built incorporate many scenarios dont work well implement things nextgeneration tool want restricted whats stdlib bundled tool btw real motivation dont mean ive deceptive intentions mean strong intuition bootstrap facility needed probably fueled long term desire replace entire distutilsbased infrastructure something better id willing help keep carefully balanced hand accepted think probably getting close time stepped daytoday management codebase like monthtomonth quartertoquarter lately probably lot easier step back critique stuff goes fact go stuff beforehand im sure exactly go handoff though guess need bugpatch tracker people review test apply maybe transitional period say yea nay let others test apply opening entirely way perhaps solidify principles id like stay place like arbitrary postinstall code hooks btw offtopic question chance jeff rush invented echomail _______________________________________________ pythondev mailing list zvlllneumpythonorg httpmailpythonorgmailmanlistinfopythondev unsubscribe httpmailpythonorgmailmanoptionspythondevpythondev40tangomucom wed 06 aug 2008 105356 0400 pythondev capsule summary packagingdeployment technology concerns