text_combined: lisa dusseault lisaosafoundationorg hi im vacation next week havent put document aug 14 iesg telechat aug 28 telechat next opportunity iesg evaluation timing gives three weeks first possible decision document wg considered arguments past year presumably new arguments fleshedout compromise proposal ietfwide consensus would needed sway overrule wg understand frustration work initiated contributed taken direction like isnt argument wgs decision look forward alternative proposal thanks lisa aug 7 2008 1209 pm matthew elvey wrote helloâ original author id strongly opposed document current form 07 wrote original draft primarily address backscatter problem sieve implementations worked problems creation mandated original sieve specification wrote assistance alexey melnikov several drafts effectively addressed concernsâ versions accomplished goal motivated whole effort developed entirely adequate becoming rfclevel standard however bitrot set along effort simplify base specification created need significant changesâ â also received stronger level support 07 introducing arguing revision subsequent current 07 draft address concerns raised onlist request iesg make decision less weeks chance receive feedback recent versions fundamental departure versions alexey listed coauthors pervert goal standard initiated believe ietf wants known knowingly exacerbating spam problem particular backscatter problem belive adoption 07 endorsing practice architecture ie archaic storeand forward instead modern transparent smtp proxy architecture httpenwikipediaorgwikibackscatter_email httpenwikipediaorgwikitransparent_smtp_proxy 72708 802 iesg wrote iesg received request sieve mail filtering language wg sieve consider following document sieve email filtering reject extended reject extensions proposed standard document normative reference rfc 2033 documents lmtp local mail transfor protocol support lmtp required servers supporting mechanisms specification procedure rfc 3967 applied last call approve downward reference iesg plans make decision next weeks solicits final comments action please send substantive comments ietfietforg mailing lists 20080810 exceptionally comments may sent iesgietforg instead either case please retain beginning subject line allow automated sorting file obtained via httpwwwietforginternetdraftsdraftietfsieverefusereject07txt iesg discussion tracked via httpsdatatrackerietforgpublicpidtrackercgicommandview_iddtag13141rfc_flag0 _______________________________________________ ietf mailing list ietfietforg httpswwwietforgmailmanlistinfoietf thu 07 aug 2008 214556 0400 strong opposition due blowback issues last call draftietfsieverefusereject