text_combined: karl anderson kramonkeyorg elias sinderson writes sorry karl confusing things silly discussion thats picky semantic discussions turn thos saying selective breeding counted genetic engineering whereas extending definition include attration parents felt yes im saying extends genetic engineering include selecting animals breed must extend include selecting people breed unless parents selectively bred like livestock produce dont think make case im saying parents selected among reasons wanted others genes mixed offspring planning matter selecting produce offspring rather offspring two unrelated animals karl anderson kramonkeyorg httpwwwmonkeyorgkra httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork 24 jul 2002 131451 0700 baseline raising chickens hightech way