text_combined: stephen williams wvilignet good points thanks sdw gordon mohr wrote stephen williams wrote dont understand position guilty infringing patent whether done recreational patent reading dont know anything cant held guilty willful infringement havent read case independent invention andor obviousness much stronger without specific training particular language logic patents even skilled engineers likely misinterpret patent covers cover thus impair creativity misguided notions patents never enforced tested would reshaped ways obvious text exhaustive adversarial analysis related patents prior art even come close determining parts patent legally valid reading worrying patents armchair dilettante level waste time wait authority trust performed expert analysis informs need consider patents contents work preemptive reading negativevalue activity thats case reading frivolous patents du jour take leave interesting corollary come across dubious patent community engineers favor indignantly broadcasting across slashdotdiggredditetc let dozens ordinarily skilled engineers continue implement idea indepenently never hearing patent let patent die unenforced obscurity like many others ianapa ymmv gordon copyright trade secrets different cant infringing unless access wrote poem could prove couldnt seen guys would separate independent copyrights different works patents infringement simply requires patent valid patenter filed first idea otherwise filed public also trumps someone using thought publicized filed protection ie trade secret one reason frequently choke consulting similar contracts extend warranty noninfringement makes sense copyright trade secret patents crazy aol others change consulting agreement years ago sdw gordon mohr wrote havent read patent many wise legal engineering minds counseled recreational patent reading bad idea practicing technologist sdw gcezqroonhpticom httpwwwhpticom per wvilignet httpsdwst stephen williams 7033719362c 7039950407fax 20147 aim sdw _______________________________________________ fork mailing list httpxentcommailmanlistinfofork delivered via boxbe httpwwwboxbecom delivery code w39xi4fu fork mailing list gcezqroonhpticom httpwwwhpticom per wvilignet httpsdwst stephen williams 7033719362c 7039950407fax 20147 aim sdw wed 06 aug 2008 000324 0400 fork google evil