Dara No, but you also have required fire doors. Carol right. That’s Derek an existing—we’re not proposing to add or delete that language. only That’s It’s provided for context. Arfaraz So, my question is if already addressed in 404.1 under exception 2, why should it’s you add another exception in 404.2.9? Derek To cover the case where the detention-grade doors are—because detention-grade doors are more durable, more solid, and typically much heavier. often They’re plated in thick steel for security purposes. They do tend to weigh more and are typically more difficult to operate and to open the doors. So, the issue that that’s trying to address here. we’re Soojin So, broadening the exception to allow doors that are operated not by you’re security personnel, but by other people. Derek Yes, this exception would do that. Debbie Similar to the way the required egress doors are given the 15-pound allowance, they are proposing that because these doors are generally made of 12, 14-gauge, some of them go up to 300 pounds in weight. Due to the nature of the size and weight of the doors, they have proposed that code amendment. Greg Okay, I think heard concerns. It sounds like most people support moving we’ve forward with this. A couple people have concerns about the weight, so I say we move on. So, 11B-405.9.2— Arfaraz Excuse me. not sure that I say I support this, so I just want to be clear that at I’m least, I for one, am not supportive of this. Greg Okay, step back the now that had the full conversation. Who has issues let’s we’ve with this the way it is being proposed? We have a couple people in the room. Kaylan or Vidal, do you have any concerns? Vidal No. Kaylan No, sir. Greg No, okay. Anybody in Oakland and LA? Arfaraz. So, three folks have concerns. Okay, thank you for that. Debbie The next one is closely related. You can find it on page 47. also been It’s submitted by CDCR, and related to doors with vision lights. They are it’s requesting an amendment that would include an exception under 11B-404.2.11
Dara No, but you also have required fire doors. Carol That’s right. Derek That’s an existing—we’re not proposing to add or delete that language. It’s only provided for context. Arfaraz So, my question is if it’s already addressed in 404.1 under exception 2, why should you add another exception in 404.2.9? Derek To cover the case where the detention-grade doors are—because detention-grade doors are more durable, more solid, and typically much heavier. They’re often plated in thick steel for security purposes. They do tend to weigh more and are typically more difficult to operate and to open the doors. So, that’s the issue that we’re trying to address here. Soojin So, you’re broadening the exception to allow doors that are operated not by security personnel, but by other people. Derek Yes, this exception would do that. Debbie Similar to the way the required egress doors are given the 15-pound allowance, they are proposing that because these doors are generally made of 12, 14-gauge, some of them go up to 300 pounds in weight. Due to the nature of the size and weight of the doors, they have proposed that code amendment. Greg Okay, I think we’ve heard concerns. It sounds like most people support moving forward with this. A couple people have concerns about the weight, so I say we move on. So, 11B-405.9.2— Arfaraz Excuse me. I’m not sure that I say I support this, so I just want to be clear that at least, I for one, am not supportive of this. Greg Okay, let’s step back the now that we’ve had the full conversation. Who has issues with this the way it is being proposed? We have a couple people in the room. Kaylan or Vidal, do you have any concerns? Vidal No. Kaylan No, sir. Greg No, okay. Anybody in Oakland and LA? Arfaraz. So, three folks have concerns. Okay, thank you for that. Debbie The next one is closely related. You can find it on page 47. It’s also been submitted by CDCR, and it’s related to doors with vision lights. They are requesting an amendment that would include an exception under 11B-404.2.11
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