Yes?And the email that you put to me was absolutely consistent with what Mr Young just said. It was more junior people that had put that to me. It but I don’t want to – imply that that were not issue that was not an issue that I also didn’t turn my mind – to. MR All right. So, just so we make sure we understand, Ms Buchanan is, obviously, lower in the hierarchy than you?Yes. And, as I understand it, you say you weren’t the author of this attachment that Ms Buchanan has sent around?No. I think we looked at this yesterday, but do you recall having read the attachment?I can’t recall this particular attachment. All right. Commissioner, I think that was tendered yesterday, so that it’s not necessary to deal with it again. I’m told it’s exhibit 5.14. THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. Just on the question of tender, that email concerning the meeting of 2 June between NULIS and ASIC, ASIC.0516.0001.0167, do you ’16 propose that that be tendered? That was the one that you went to earlier this morning. MR HODGE: Yes, Commissioner. THE COMMISSIONER: That will be exhibit 5.19, email concerning meeting 2 June NULIS and ASIC, ASIC.0516.0001.0167. ’16 EXHIBIT #5.19 EMAIL CONCERNING MEETING 2 JUNE 2016 (ASIC.0516.0001.0167) MR HODGE: All right. Can we now bring up NAB.162.011.1706. So this is a chain of internal emails. But, again, I think we looked at it very briefly yesterday and I just want to make sure we put in context. So you can see at the bottom of the page an email from you to two people within NAB. Can you just tell the Commissioner again who they are?Lara Bourguignon and Stephen Sefton. But what are positions?Lara was the general manager of corporate superannuation at the time, I believe, and Stephen Sefton was in the group insurance business. All right. And did they each report to you?Lara reported directly to me. Stephen would have reported through to someone else who reported to me. All And, again, I think you agreed yesterday you said spoken to Nicole “having S”, that would be Nicole Smith?Yes.
Yes?And the email that you put to me was absolutely consistent with what Mr Young just said. It was more junior people that had put that to me. It – but I don’t want to imply that that were not issue – that was not an issue that I also didn’t turn my mind to. MR All right. So, just so we make sure we understand, Ms Buchanan is, obviously, lower in the hierarchy than you?Yes. And, as I understand it, you say you weren’t the author of this attachment that Ms Buchanan has sent around?No. I think we looked at this yesterday, but do you recall having read the attachment?I can’t recall this particular attachment. All right. Commissioner, I think that was tendered yesterday, so that it’s not necessary to deal with it again. I’m told it’s exhibit 5.14. THE COMMISSIONER: Yes. Just on the question of tender, that email concerning the meeting of 2 June ’16 between NULIS and ASIC, ASIC.0516.0001.0167, do you propose that that be tendered? That was the one that you went to earlier this morning. MR HODGE: Yes, Commissioner. THE COMMISSIONER: That will be exhibit 5.19, email concerning meeting 2 June ’16 NULIS and ASIC, ASIC.0516.0001.0167. EXHIBIT #5.19 EMAIL CONCERNING MEETING 2 JUNE 2016 (ASIC.0516.0001.0167) MR HODGE: All right. Can we now bring up NAB.162.011.1706. So this is a chain of internal emails. But, again, I think we looked at it very briefly yesterday and I just want to make sure we put in context. So you can see at the bottom of the page an email from you to two people within NAB. Can you just tell the Commissioner again who they are?Lara Bourguignon and Stephen Sefton. But what are positions?Lara was the general manager of corporate superannuation at the time, I believe, and Stephen Sefton was in the group insurance business. All right. And did they each report to you?Lara reported directly to me. Stephen would have reported through to someone else who reported to me. All And, again, I think you agreed yesterday you said “having spoken to Nicole S”, that would be Nicole Smith?Yes.
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