there's also a general view in the community that community care itself is not necessarily really working very well, there's some fears about it, some uncertainties  and a member did mention, it may have been jim  you know or somebody mentioned about the seven hours domiciliary, from my experience as a councillor  i am not sure that simply because that figure exists that that means that that is satisfying the need of those people  and in any case  the sort of people who need to go into residential care, who can no longer be maintained in their home, with whatever help we give them or with whatever help their family have to give them  they're not necessarily the sort of people who we're talking about need to go in a home.