when are we gonna have rules revisions, there's a long way to go and as the, the er general secretary said, be careful, because i've been to talks with, on, from the regional committee with the t & g yes we got on lovely with them, they're fine, they, they gave us a nice big er commemorative medal of the dockers' strike and it's got my granddad and my great granddad on it cos they was there in the other union mind you  while we've done all the striking and that they stood by, but nevertheless they're not bad lads anyway and as john said we must be careful that we are not the ones that are gonna be taken over, because i remember that old song of the fifties, never smile at a crocodile