at one time he, he lived at, they lived at  but er er she was a widow and she was ninety but she was very good to us and, but we had er, we had apartments but there was a lock on both sides of the door, you know what i mean, we were quite self-contained and we had er er a narrow stairs and because of the war i couldn't, you couldn't er, i used to scrub the stairs down because you couldn't buy carpet in those days, you see because of the war and to the shortage of stuff and so i used to keep those stairs nice and, we had a, a, we went, as we went up these stairs erm it, i suppose originally, you see, it would have been back stairs for the servants, you see, in the hall and this old lady used to go in and if ever she had the doctor she used to ask me if i would go and sit with her and hold her hand while the doctor came, you see.