be  bec , the appalling thing is  that they're quite, they're quite happy to spread this pain on those who are in the least position to burden it  and they believe quite rightly and this, this is the  i think, that exists between socialism and  and and the conservatism in that sense that  whereas  erm, you know opinion surveys bear out the fact that people are quite happy, those who can afford it  to pay a little bit extra in terms of direct taxation for those service provisions, which are absolutely  vital and these surveys have been conducted in public and they have been made quite er er open to the press, er, just before the last election  particularly for the health authority  and so forth.