well, i i was fairly new in the company myself so i hadn't worked for his father for long before  took over the managership or chairmanship or whatever he is, so i i'm really not too sure about the whole thing but certainly for a quarry manager or quarry director or owner, he didn't really know the slate as well as the workers, and he was expecting things out of his workers and the slate, the product, that were really just not on.