he debated public policy in person including well publicized debates with democratic chair howard dean on the patriot act before the aclu national convention in san francisco; with dr. larry summers at the aspen institute; with former illinois governor george ryan on the death penalty at michigan state university; with aclu executive director anthony romero on the patriot act at northwestern state university; and with justice adrian hardiman, the former chief justice of the irish supreme court on the death penalty at the university college dublin, ireland.