as you know it, this is the last  i'm sure everyone's aware it's the last item  on your agenda  when i was looking at the agenda  this item was before the fox hunting motion  i thought well  it'd be nice to have a debate before the fox hunting motion because we would have  er  a full house  of people who i'm sure would be very interested  to hear the discussion on v a t. as matter of fact i'm sure they would w w would welcome  the opportunity to have a de , a discussion, but it seems they have gone and i got, i got it wrong chairman when you   by taking the the the fox hunting motion  it should really have, have held on till this time in the evening.