no i think just dedication and we, if we made an appearance maybe something would come to a head, things would get sorted, if we just said forget it then stay at home, then the quarry managers would say right forget it, we'll get another workforce in, you know it was, i think it was just i think some were dedicated to the job and sort of gave it their best, whereas others were slightly you know, willy nilly about it and well i'll turn up today cos it the weather looks nice, or i'll turn up today because the wife isn't off and or the gas has run out or whatever.