at the same time,d the tories are on their knees, some people, as i said earlier, i think it's just as relevant in this debate, seem to have lost their way and when you took, look at what they're proposing in terms of say, the er the fifty percent, the, the er m ps, fifty percent of the votes for er the parliamentary leader which of course is very consistent with , right, fifty percent of the vote, you take that along with proportional representation and what i believe you're seeing is the number of people who have given up the ghost and are preparing to restructure the party around coalition politics, and that's where they're heading, and they're heading completely in the wrong direction because we're more in tune with what's going on in this country, the po opinion polls are saying fifty nine percent of the people actually i think, believe that er the labour government is possible and will be voting for a labour government, the alternative road is to oblivion and it's not about modernizing, the people who're proposing this coalition politics aren't modernizers, they're victorian politics, that's what they're about, they're about taking us back, back before we created the party, before we learnt the lesson that we needed to represent ourselves politically, they're going back to, let's skil see what we get out of the liberals, the free trade liberals, in the nineteenth century, that's where they're going back, that's not about modernization, real modernization is about making sure that the labour party speaks for the working people up and down this country and that's our contribution to make to that party and therefore we should have a role in decision making and influencing the party that enables us as an organization to express that feeling, and that understanding of what people actually want in this country, and that's why we're supporting the c e c proposals.