mr chairman er  when we discussed this last time  er i expressed the view that in fact er  the county council had better things to do  i've not changed my mind erm since but i have been reminded that er  when er  the  roman emperors er  found ascension in the  ranks  when roman emperors found ascension in the ranks  they  provided bread and circuses  and i have to say that i regard the two notices of motion which were placed in mr   notably fox hunting and this debate on v a t as  bread and circuses.