doing things like that but  i i i i believe quite strongly what angela's saying  er, if you came to me and presented something ba ba, a total  er, conviction that it might be in a sense  damaging  er the er the the  the concept people have of your subject, or might have  i would listen very carefully to that, and i also ta , i remember gordon  saying  some time ago and  whilst gordon drove me crackers  he talked about the government saying you've gotta do this, you've go and he said there are things that we must believe in as educationalists ourselves, and professionalists