but it, isn't it an awful situation  when you, when you, when you look at it  that evidence indicates that the erm  the number of people that are either now elderly  infirm or sick  and  and clearly that they all will have to face this, this, this terrible burden  and i cannot understand because there is, this, there is, there is er a total disarray within the conservative party, that all their er er back bench er mp s are  making representations to their  erm  their leader who possibly may not be a leader tomorrow but as long as he's the leader today, john major  that he should do a rethink  and here they are  er  you know, members of the same party, continuing to support  something which is so  idiosyncratic that  you know it's really beyond belief, er chairman.