chairman i think this is probably the first time in this council chamber in twenty years  that er i will probably have spoken on er social services issues  er and i speak from an entirely private capacity and any information that er  that comes my way is from what i might call  informed members of the public  erm, people who i come into contact with and from my own experiences as a ward councillor and from  as we all do from time to time, my own family experience, my own domestic experiences  and i do know  something about the problems which are associated with the  the care of elderly people  er although i don't have that problem now  erm  things have taken their course.