they've had er enormous difficulties and er the honourable gentleman will er know that the  south wales police authority committee, its officers and its chief constable have er visited parliament er to put their case to members representing the south wales police authority area and indeed to er earl ferrers the minister er responsible for the police and they certainly haven't had any er criticism made of them by his own government and if er he believes that there is a criticism i would suggest that he takes  a leaf out of the book of his er, his right honourable friend the secretary of state and refers the matter so that it can be properly audited and er i think the honourable gentleman knows that when that is done he will see that there is no blame attached whatsoever to the members or the officers of the police authority.