we also have concerns about how it could erm fit in to er the countryside erm of the area er with particular reference to erm paragraph thirty three of p p g three which states that erm the net effect of any new settlement will be to enhance the environmental cause only modest environmental impact, the area in hambledon, as mr wincup outlined yesterday erm is occupied essentially by the vale of york, it's an essentially flat and rolling landscape, er the intensification of agriculture's produced a very open landscape erm in that area erm there are few erm landscape elements to reduce into visibility, erm there are no significant areas of derelict land which could be, which would be reclaimed or enhanced erm by a new settlement, erm and the council believes that it would be very difficult to assimilate a new settlement into this landscape, and it would be er visible over extensive areas, to touch on erm the point raised by erm the panel about self sufficiency and self containment erm i think it's recognized in the explanatory memorandum, erm to policy h two that a new settlement will need to maintain social and economic links with a city, erm perhaps from some, this statement is explicit that erm york will continue to exert considerable influence in terms of employment, social, and community links, erm and it's unlikely that facilities which have provided a new settlement will divert much, if an , if er any, erm of this er demand for travel.