they see the child as basically a, a little animal, a wild animal, who has to be tamed, and er, disciplined and controlled by er, various means, and er, this is the, i think the view of the child that was more popular in british education, at least traditional education, which erm, for the public schools of eton, which in this country was based on er, on er brutality, i think there's the only word you can call it.