in terms of a planning process anne was talking about, you'll have to forgive me for being relatively new to oxfordshire and coming from an area where we had a planning system which was largely the one i was describing, and the planning role that i saw i wanted to develop was very much already mentioned which was actually going round to small groups of people, to the local caring groups on a much more informal basis, and getting their contribution about that and then feeding it back into the system, which you say is there in a sense.