and er, i said what you mean charlie, cor all dog's mess all over the place, i said it isn't, i, i said have you ever been and he said no i, i said well there you are, i said if you haven't been i said you don't know what it's like, i said you're talking about some old girl that lives on, in little sandhurst, who's got a thing about dogs and i said kicking up a lot of fuss about it, but i said the women's a dam liar