that's not a problem that i can actually deal with er but wales certainly er you know takes the sort of interest in europe that we have seen from most of the conservative speakers er in trying to sum up this debate you have to refer to them er of not being able to show, there's a definite sort of anti european theme coming through from most of the speakers from the back benches who've chosen to take part in this debate tonight from the other side and it's difficulty to avoid summing up the debate without some reference to the points that they have made which is in complete contrast to the attitude that we have erm in wales er towards europe and that we are.