now once the benefits were approved er by the trust deed and er bearing in mind that the chairman at that meeting informed the trustee and i quote in determining the structure of the scheme the company was prepared to enter into consultation with the trade unions and trustees, but this was a consultative process only and not a subject for negotiation; and  their company then went on to seek the er er the transfer  of the present contributing members er  er and a hundred of the members agreed er to transfer into that new scheme.