do you know where i mean? erm well, that too, is a 17th century building, i've got a  an early 19th century butler engraving of it here, and some pictures from the alice shop itself, now that was owned by a walter paine, both these citizens were well off brewers, erm those are just pictures of the same one, it's a little bit of a problem because this is called the house belonging to the manciple of christchurch.