we can do, we've just got to, i mean we've just got to ask everyone to give a very brief report erm on another occasion and then it can be kept very short, i think though, there are, there are times when, when, you know, we do want to hear what's going on with sort of er networks and campaigns, we do need that time as well don't we, er so we can't, i don't think we can always do it.