to add to this, there were people who knew this family were still living in the desert. these included topsy and freddy west. they and their families all moved to kiwirrkurra in 1983. other locals would sometimes see campfires in the distance at night and footprints in the sand and knew they belonged to a group wandering the desert. the territory's welfare department were also said to have known about this particular group as early as 1962, and anthropologists working with the pintupi during this time would often hear about these people.