were getting into an area which i think is a whole different programme and before this programme started i might tell you we were having a little er discussion amongst ourselves whether or not er zoo's were good for animals and i suppose there is a discussion about whether prisons are inevitably going to be degrading because of, because of what er, what, what a prison represents which is a curtailment of freedom, but we don't have time in this programme, so that's another one for next year, can i ask you, we've, we've touched a lot of basis and it must be frustrating that we can't pursue er to the end some of the things we've er, we've picked on, but can i ask you a couple of final questions, as far as you know have you committed a crime?, button one for yes and button two for no, as far as you know, i mean we haven't got time to go into what they might be so your perfectly free to be very honest and honestly reveals that three people aren't quite sur , oh yes there they are