in addition, his younger brother david was a teammate at rangers, had a long spell at kilmarnock (including in the 1898 scottish cup final where he and john were on the opposing teams) and was also a scottish international. elder brother james was a teammate at kilmarnock, cowlairs and the glasgow fa team, played as a guest for celtic and spent a lengthy period as a trainer at newcastle united working with frank watt; when james retired, the role was taken by his son , whose previous jobs included the norway squad at the 1920 olympics, vitesse in the netherlands and bayern munich in germany. another of james's sons was also a trainer/manager who led hbs to the dutch championship in 1925, while his daughter mary married newcastle player and germany international edwin dutton.