just be very brief, chair, erm could i ask that we have a report before council on this, and i know it will be an extra two hours on the poor council debate, but i think this is so important, and it does affect the planet for hundreds of years to come, and i think if we can't have a discussion on this in full council, well, it's the most important thing we've had for years probably, and i think we should have a discussion before council sit.