berthiers were chambered in the same cartridge as the lebel, the 8x50mm lebel, which was the first to be loaded with smokeless powder (poudre b). the berthier used a simplified and smoother version of the lebel bolt, but the main differences were a great reduction in weight, moving parts, tooling and an increase in operating speed. this is due in no small part to the magazine system, which was redesigned more similar to a mannlicher-type design, where it was loaded with 3-round (later 5-round) clips, chargers, or packets. though the lebel's original capacity of 8 rounds was reduced, the berthier was more popular due to the efficiency of operation and the increased speed of reloading, which more closely matched the capabilities of foreign rifles such as the mauser and the lee-enfield. the occasional use, outside france, of the term "mannlicher" to designate weapons of the berthier system is due to the "en bloc" clip disposition which was borrowed from the real mannlicher rifles and carbines. otherwise the berthier weapons, and particularly their bolts, are not derived from mannlicher rifles or carbines but rather from the lebel rifle system. like carcanos, berthiers; other than using a mannlicher-type magazine system, bear no other resemblance to true mannlichers and should not be addressed as such.