i was going to say, when it comes to paragraph five, do you erm suggest that you actually think in terms of church organisations, they're not mentioned, and i look forward in in paragraph seven one to the seminar, the working seminar that's going to be in the near future, and i hope that we'll soon get a date, so that we can get it in our very busy diaries, in the hope that we can come along and learn more about this.