and in fact, if we look at even more, i mean where i work is a family centre in berinsfield erm and i interviewed erm some of the carers of young children, and most of the women i interviewed had, in fact, been subjected to marital violence by their male partners and in many ways this had been triggered off by arguments over who should take care of the children and over the woman not being in her place, so although it's important to maybe look at the macro level, i really think we have to look at how men and women behave towards one another, particularly where child care is concerned.