erm i'm er rising to take the opportunity to sum up the debate er for those of us on this side of the house and to say that on this side of the house we do  welcome these orders actually coming through, delayed though they are and er besmirched though they are by the usual examples of government incompetence in failing to send them to the scrutiny committee in the proper manner to allow the usual processes to take place but wi that's par for the course these days.