i know, but what i mean is that when they see the city centre, the people who are walking up and down the city centre, they see all the national charities, they don't necessarily feel that they're organised in the same way and therefore that they should be participating, and the whole palaver of getting a licence and applying is actually quite difficult, it's not a simple, it's not something, we get numerous telephone calls in the office saying ‘well can i go out next saturday and rattle a tin for such-and-such’, and you say ‘well, you can't’, and it's left much too late, so that people don't know about the way you get licenses to rattle tins in city centre.