mr deputy speaker i'm just about to come on the  south wales police but i will answer the point  directly, er i and my honourable friend the parliamentary secretary are always willing to discuss with local government, matters relating to local government finance and we have done so over the months leading up to this settlement and my honourable and right honourable friends in the home office are always willing to discuss matters on the police er where they are important and warrant a ministerial meeting and that again has happened recently with the home office min minister discussing this very issue.