all of herman's battles with katnip ended with herman victorious. only two cartoons, "you said a mouseful" and "katnip's big day", had katnip sharing in herman's victory. frequently herman and his mouse companions would sing a victory song as they observed katnip being brutally tortured; e.g. being eaten by sharks, killed in a rockslide while mountain climbing, strung up with christmas lights and plugged into an electric socket, getting electrocuted by a "shock tester" machine, then flattened by it; or even dying and his ghost being warned about "the fiery furnace" in "of mice and menace." it had been originally intended that herman and katnip would make a cameo appearance in the film "who framed roger rabbit", but the scene "acme's funeral" was deleted. katnip appeared later in the episode "self help huey" of the animated series "the baby huey show" as a cat redeemed by his persecutions of the past and tries that the fox follow the same path with baby huey.