i said well i'll be quite honest mate, there's two hundred people working in this factory  and i said, if you think that e all the charge hands and the supervisors have got to come down and roll up you lot to get the job done  i said you  turn round and you think if you was in business, whatever it is you like to do, if you're in business and you've got an order and that order's gotta be out by six o'clock tonight  and you've gotta grovel to your workers  otherwise you'd lose that order, i said what would you say?