yeah, erm, right, yeah, that's all the other items, erm  what's been er been going through my head recently is, is er the, looking at the pattern of the meetings and the way the meetings are arranged and, and how, erm, at the last meeting we had a speaker er and that i think, we all found that quite interesting and the one, one from central america that things  and i feel we ought to have that much more frequently than we do have er, a, either a speaker or a focus of some sort of meetings erm, so i think that's something i'd like to raise and get the a g m at the next meeting i think similar thing we ought to consider there.