thank you sir erm  in that the government and the opposition front bench want to move this measure erm  fulfilling their commitments to the maastricht treaty, i accept the methodology and the precedent that the government cites, i think that's appropriate, erm i just wanted to very briefly say that this is of course a vote no longer like the generality of the population voting for the membership of a golf club in which we have  varying degrees of er interest.