now for all those reasons madame speaker, this  these orders er er today are inadequate, too little, too late, we can't vote against them, much as the  the member who preceded me seemed inclined to vote against them and i wish that he had the g er the guts of 'is cu the courage of his convictions er he should vote against them, er we on this side are far more responsible  er than that because to vote against them er might be an indication that we're as much in frau in favour of fraud as members on the other side of the house, er we're not in favour of fraud, we welcome any progress to detection of fraud, even progress that we asked for  five  eight years ago when the relevant legislation was passed.