and, um, that also probably crosses over into business, because now, businesses also say that if you're not, don't have the proper education, uh, including, uh, exposure to high tech fields such as computer technology, if you can't use a computer today and do word processing and do, uh, data base management and do, i forget all the other stuff, financial management and all this other kind of stuff in your regular job, uh, you can't function you know.