well i've visited both cambodia itself and the camps, er first of all in the camps, the situation is appalling because there are very many people who do not want to be in those camps and are really in effect being held there against their will, and what has been extraordinary until this year, is that the people who've been holding them there against their will have been the phol pot dominated so-called coalition government and on the basis of the people being in the camps, that, that, that regime has gone on to claim recognition at the united nations; an appalling situation.