when i was sixteen because it's then i started to get these free passes and i had a sister then who lived at rye and i had never been across london so the next door neighbour came with me to see me across london er because i was so young you see and i said right as long as you show me across london i can come back alone, you see, and so i came back alone and i, that's when i started, so from sixteen and er and as i say i went to cambridge in the nineteen thirty one, it was the last day of  well say nineteen thirty two, you see, and, and also in the twenties i was going on holiday alone and i went to once er to the isle of man and when i was er i, i sat next, well being by myself, you see, they put me in, to a little table near the wall.