oh yeah, what oh yes, oh without a doubt joan, er you can do it, you could have the name and you could have who talked to them and, and then i can tell 'em that what, i've done this you see and that'd be the end of it  it does suggest that you don't tell them before you tell them after and then you sort of give them the opp the opportunity of me knocking, not recording it you see, wiping it off the tape, because it stunts the conversation.