it's when i, when i went to poland it's not two or three years, it was nineteen seventy three and i was, i was just coming in into the church and the one witness was with me and we were going in er big town like cracow, you know, we were going one way and there was a couple coming erm to meet us like you know in, in, in, on the road, and he was just wearing erm jeans and no shirt, but erm a big, big wooden cross on his chest just reaching really across his chest a wooden cross and then erm a safety pin in his nose and three safety pins attached to  one another through his ears  and this witness with me walking down, she says just look at this couple and the girl was, wore the same dress she, she had the top on, you know, but again all sort of queer looking and she, this witness with me, with me so, she said just look at  the two  that's er coming aga to meet us and i said yes and i looked and i said look at the cross and she says yes, it used to be, they used to hang the criminals on the crosses and now the crosses hang on the criminals   isn't that lovely , and now the cross is er all the criminals instead of the cross , oh yes