and it does seem to me that erm the minute you suggest to a parish council who has already complained about illegal encampments on roadsides and laybys that there is a good site in their patch, there is an immediate reaction, and i am thoroughly convinced that this reaction is based on a fear that is actually based on ignorance, and that we have to remember that travellers of any description — and i don't categorise them like peter does — travellers of any description are human beings.