you know i mean you  er er it's al i, i think the same would happen if you put a five note in  inside it would get thrown out with the rubbish but erm  the thing is that obviously some, some  early day, if one can say  in inverted commas  early day publicity  erm  from the northumberland side of things  could a and i mean my view when, when ros was telling me what happened at the last meeting erm  was that was gonna be acting as an icebreaker  as opposed waiting till the last minute somebody's gonna  and they think   erm as it were,a and build up from, from that because there's obviously gonna be one or two other things coming directly from national level.