yes it was, and i think it also er really put paid to the journalists that came along expecting to write our political obituary, because what did come over in all the workshops er and in the main plenary sessions, was that, that local, local parties are doing very well indeed and are getting a very good reception on the doorstep, in fact some other polls on, on er the green strategy to the environment show that people actually do still trust the greens far more than any other party.