well, they can come in to the church, as many of them do, erm and i just say to them well, you know, do you respect this place and fine, it's a place where  we don't chuck anybody out who comes into church for all sorts of reasons during the day when the church is open, you know, people come in, and there are many people like the ones we've been talking about, who are in desperate need, and we just ask them to respect certain fairly mild rules  they can always go out in the churchyard and smoke, but in the building itself we say no smoking and no drinking.