we'll talk to sue  dave that needs to be, to find out  if we can, what's happening elsewhere  cos she can through her colleagues  and i will also i i don't think i'll ring margaret  but i'll give terry  a ring morden who's the record of achievement guy there and get on quite well with him  just to find out  what sort of tap they're taking on it  cos er  yeah, i i take very much what sandra's saying as don't want our youngsters to be disadvantaged in anyway if others are  lies, damn lies and