text: JFS on Rehoboth’s Social Network Podcast
  On Monday, October 26, 2020 JFS Psychiatrist, Dr. Andy Feinberg, and Chief Strategy Officer, Rosi Crosby spoke with Tom Archino of Rehoboth’s Social Network Podcast. Together they discussed, JFS’ history in Delaware, response to the COVID-19 crisis, upcoming Virtual Wellness Summit, and more.
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  Tom Archino: Alright good morning, this podcast is brought to you by Home Theater Solutions. HTS is your local technology expert, serving Delaware for sixteen years. HTS specializes in TV installations, home automations, Sonos audio systems, security cameras, and Wi-Fi networks, for all of your home and business tech needs—give ‘em a call at 1-800-690-2029, or visit them at HTSAV… three, two, one, good morning!
  Rosi Crosby: Good morning!
  Andy Feinberg: Good morning!
  Tom: So, how are we doing this morning?
  Andy: We are doing great.
  Rosi: We are ready to change the world this morning, Tom!
  Tom: Oh wow, ok! Well it is Monday; we got all week to work on it—that’s awesome!
  Tom: So, I have the pleasure of having the folks from Jewish Family Services, Rosi Crosby, and Andy Feinberg, they decided that—see now, I’m gonna screw up here we go—
  Andy: It’s alright
  Tom: Wonderful to have you guys on the Rehoboth Social Podcast, this is one small business helping another one small non-profit, helping another, and it’s great to have you all on, how’s it going? Talk to me, let’s learn about the family services!
  Rosi: Well, thank you again, Tom, for having us—this is an incredible opportunity for us to share the Jewish Family Services story across the region. For those who don’t know, Jewish Family Services is a one hundred and twenty-year-old organization in Delaware—we’ve been here for centuries. And we specifically expanded our footprint into the Sussex County community about six years ago, and we’re really proud of the work that we’re doing there. JFS is responsible for helping individuals and families grow. We do that through a support network of counselors, therapists, and psychiatrists, as well as case managers—it takes a village to help us through the challenges of today’s times and JFS is here…of course we are here right now virtually, all of our entire team is available through telehealth but, prior to that, we’ve had a, you know, prior to COVID, we had an office where people could come and get the help that they needed, and we are really excited that you’re giving us this opportunity to share our story.
  Tom: Wow, that’s awesome, and I think everything that we’re going through right now, it probably, despite the help that we probably needed before, I’m sure that there’s a lot of extra help that’s needed now.
  Tom: So, like, what, so, you know, what’s a, you know, how’s it been, so you’ve been here [Sussex County] for five years, is that what you said?
  Rosi: Yes, we have been and you know, we’ve continued to grow, JFS has a team of, total team of sixty people throughout the state, our Sussex County team has grown to about fifteen providers. It’s really important to know that JFS, Jewish Family Services, while we are founded and based on Jewish fundamentals and values, we serve everyone in the community, regardless of race, religion, socioeconomic status, gender orientation, and we’re really proud of that—that’s something that many people don’t know. You might hear the name Jewish Family Services and think that you need to be Jewish but, eighty percent of our clients are not Jewish and that’s something that we want people to know. Our doors are open to anyone.
  Tom: So what’s some of the, what’s some of the problems that you guys are running, you folks are running across at this time? Maybe what are the challenges that you are facing now, compared to maybe, you know like, April of last year?
  Rosi: That’s a great question– I’m gonna let Dr. Feinberg take that, yeah.
  Andy: Absolutely, absolutely.
  Tom: Andy, so what—
  Andy: Hi Tom it’s great to be with you and so, starting tomorrow we’re part of a Wellness Summit, and also other organizations are part of it as well, and we’re—I’m focusing in my part, I’m speaking tomorrow afternoon really about the impact of COVID pandemic on people’s anxiety levels, and how people are coping and what to do and what not to do to, to help with this, and people who are vulnerable and whose anxieties are escalating into a treatable medical condition and when you know you’ve got that and when to call for help through JFS. And I’m gonna also be emphasizing the team approach that we use. Patients who are referred—and by the way, during the Wellness Summit there will be slides showing how to reach us—for people who are, who do call for treatment with us, first see a therapist for a couple of times, couple of sessions, to work on, look at situational factors that are having an impact on them, like COVID, and then they send them on to me if I need to help with medical treatments.
  Tom: So, this Wellness Summit, is this open to the public?
  Andy: Yes absolutely, now I’ll let Rosi tell you about that.
  Rosi: So, the Virtual Wellness Summit is free and open to the public, it starts tomorrow morning, it’s a three day summit, and there are probably fifteen sessions that you can join, including both meditation class, a yoga class, several conversations that will be held about increased anxieties and coping and resilience during the pandemic. We are seeing, in our practice, exponential growth in the need for someone to talk to. It’s… the anxieties and the pressure are coming from all directions. We don’t have to go very far to know that a family is taking care of children, and doing school, doing remote learning. The increase in substance abuse, the increase in domestic violence, the increase in feelings of isolation, and anxiety and fear, the increase in the feelings of uncertainty. For many people this might be the first time that they ever even had these feelings, so the idea of talking to someone about that might be new and uncomfortable, and JFS is receiving calls like that. First time, people who, for the first time in their life, wanna talk to a therapist. And then for those who have been receiving mental health counseling perhaps their entire life, those anxieties are, I don’t know if the right word is exasperated, they’re increased, it’s harder to manage, they’re harder to deal with, their coping tools are needing to be utilized at heightened levels. And our team is ready. Our team is ready and available to support the community with this, these needs. Every organization that provides behavioral health is seeing an increase. Every organization is seeing a shortage of professionals that can help support the community. We’re all realizing that waiting lists are becoming a reality. And that’s new, Tom, that’s not something that we’ve experienced before, recently.
  Tom: Right. Well, so, is there like a number one thing that people are most stressed out about, that’s creating, I would imagine jobs, working, providing, would probably be close to the top of the list. I know as far as Rehoboth and where we live, and I’ve said this to other people, I feel like we’re in a little bit of a bubble because we are in such a small community that’s, you know, relies on tourism and everything. What has felt somewhat normal, obviously the masks and everything, but we’ve had a lot of people, the place has been pretty busy, but I think we’re really gonna start, the reality is gonna start setting in, that things are gonna be different and we’re gonna definitely start seeing it in the fall and when winter comes, you know, it’s gonna be a challenge. And I know for me, for a guy that works every day, but that tends to be the top fear or anxiety that I struggle with, is, am I gonna be working, am I gonna be able to provide for my family?
  Andy: I had a list, you know I had my wife brainstorm what are the individual factors, you know, associated with COVID that are causing stress in families and it’s, you know, I think, we could all generate a long list of individual things, you’re right, in some communities, in some areas, it’s better, easier than others, but even, you know, gee, you think about a relatively trivial piece— people who really enjoy dining out, and they wanna be careful and the restaurants have had outdoor dining, which people think is relatively safe, but what’s gonna happen when it gets too cold out to do that you know, so there are a lot of pieces to it, but wow, it’s very complicated, and you know, I hope my list of individual stressors resonates with people tomorrow you know, my goal was to find things that everybody can feel you know, it’s hard, it’s been hard.
  Tom: Well and another thing that I think that people are struggling with is, so, you know with any challenge, you know, you can either surrender to the challenge and accept it, and do what it takes to get through it, or you can, you know, quietly fight and kick and scream, and then, you know, but I think one of the biggest challenges for, well, I think dying was a big fear, I think that’s starting to, you know, and that’s the challenge everybody has a different case with this, with this COVID thing, but for me, one of the big challenges is keeping my mouth shut you know, keeping my opinions to myself. And sometimes, that can kind of like boil inside, you know, because I’m like listen, I don’t want to be part of the problem, I’m gonna keep my opinions to myself, but it’s in there. And you know, trying to understand, I think the biggest challenge for me is recognizing what’s stressing me out.
  Andy: Exactly. That’s it exactly, and you say, well what are those things? And then you hit on something else too, which is, as Rosi mentioned also, resilience. You know, and one of the, some of the things I’m gonna talk about tomorrow are, what you can do, healthy ways of coping with all that’s going on. Things we still can do, and we, being careful, about COVID, and we are still very healthy, developing resilience. It’s very important.
  Tom: Patience I think is another great word—
  Tom: Sorry Rosi, go ahead
  Rosi: I’m really excited that, this is our fourth Wellness Summit that JFS has collaborated with the Jewish Community Center, the Jewish Federation of Delaware, NAMI Delaware, the Mental Health Association of Delaware, Nemours, all of these organizations are coming together to bring tools and tech– tools to the community to help strengthen us through these difficult times. And the resources that we want to share with the community, Tom I will make sure that you have them for your audience, because as a, you know, as a program that happens on a Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, we’re even hearing “ugh, how can I possibly take the time, how can I take an hour, two hours out of my day to attend this summit, I’ve got one kid on one arm, and I’ve got, you know, my mom on the other, and we’re all in the house together, how in the world am I possibly gonna take an hour for myself?” And it’s critical that you take that hour for yourself, and I’ve encouraged employers to shut down the office for an hour and watch Dr. Feinberg’s presentation. It’s forty-five minutes, it could build a team environment, it could be a team-building activity to just acknowledge that we’re all under the same pressure and that we feel that we are working harder than ever, and longer than ever is real, because we are trying to stay above water, we want to keep our jobs, we want to keep the restaurant open, we want to keep our customers happy, we want our kids to be healthy, we want our relationships to be strong. Oh my gosh, that’s exhausting!
  Tom: Yeah, and well, you know, Andy and I have some history, we’ve known each other a while, and he knows my story, and you know, my story’s always more of a spiritual based kind of thing, it’s always the battle between self and humility, and you know, when I do other meetings for other things and really it, at this point in my life with that, it’s really about the inconvenience, you know, it’s really about doing other than what I want to do. And, that’s usually where the miracle takes place, if I can inconvenience myself for forty-five minutes because really, that’s, I mean, if we’re gonna break it down, that’s what it is. I mean if you’re, if you’ve got a baby on one arm, you’re cooking, you’re managing your folks, to go and watch a zoom meeting, or, you know, to see Andy’s presentation, you know, it’s a challenge, it’s an inconvenience really. But that’s really to me where, where the miracle takes place, that’s usually where I find where that I find that I feel that I get the most out of something, is when it’s a big pain in the rear—you know what I’m saying? And that’s what, the challenge for me, and I can only speak for myself through all of this, is it’s a big inconvenience.
  Rosi: I know that the oxygen mask scenario is overused but it’s real. If you don’t put on your own mask first, how can you help others? And—
  Tom: That’s right.
  Rosi: And you’re helping others every day by sharing information and having conversations, and you know, JFS and Andy and all of these other partner organizations, that’s all we want, is to just strengthen the community through counseling and support because that’s what we need right now, we need each other.
  Tom: Yup, we do. And I think you’re using this scenario if we’re on an airplane, so—
  Andy: Save yourself first—
  Tom: Yeah ok good, ‘cause I was like I think I’m just wearing the paper mask, am I missing something?
  Rosi: Oh! Right! Right.
  Andy: That’s right…
  Rosi: Thanks for the clarification…
  Tom: Did we just go to oxygen over one night, or did I miss that?
  Andy: That’s a serious requirement…
  Tom: A gas tank, an air tank—
  Andy: That was great, that was great to clarify thanks, that was great…
  Tom: And I think that’s a great point, you know what, if you’re not taking care of yourself, you can’t be there for other people. It’s just—
  Tom: You may, you might think you can, but it gets really, really hard. And you know, I share, I talk to my kids about anxiety because listen, before COVID, we had anxiety. I mean, it’s just life, life is much more complicated than it was as I was growing up, these kids these days, and adults, have a lot more challenges, and we talk about recognizing that, identifying what the real, because to me, and I, like I said, I come from a more spiritual side, and I, you know, I don’t understand the doctor side of it, but to me it’s always been recognizing it, identifying it, saying it out loud, and maybe sharing it to our higher power whatever we choose to call something that we would pray to, and we share a little prayer, and my buddy Matt used to always say, “every story shared cuts the anxiety in half.” Share it out loud—
  Rosi: Oh, I love that.
  Tom: Talk to it, talk to people about it, you know, ‘cause there was a point maybe a few months ago I had to say out loud, “I’m depressed,” I didn’t know what was going on, I didn’t feel well, I was, you know, bummed out just like the rest of us, and I had to start saying it. And you know, I’m a hairdresser so, unfortunately on that day everybody that sat in front of me found out I was depressed! But it was that act, you know, of that humble act of telling somebody else, that listen, I’m stressed out, and every person that I told that to said the same thing– “I’m depressed as well.” And it started to make, it was a turn for me, and at least I understand it, I’m recognizing it, I wanna work towards, to get away from it, but the first thing I had to do was identify it, and say it out loud! There’s a real freedom to that.
  Andy: True, so true, it’s you know, it’s one of the, if you think about the psychotherapy part of what we do in JFS, if you think about all the components of psychotherapy, and say, well one of the many is simply that—just someone to talk to about what’s going on with you, and how therapeutic that is in itself, and trusting that you can open up to this person, and by the way, I would say that, you know, one of the things I miss the most about this experience during COVID and working from home is, going into the office in Lewes, and just right on John J. Williams Highway, and conveniently located, and you know, back in the day before COVID, go in a little early and just see who’s there, the therapists, and we just talk about this one and that one and you know, and catch up on things together and they are a wonderful group of therapists, they’re all, you know, all of us are you know, seasoned, experienced, and they’re easy to talk to, so your point is very well taken Tom, that’s very, very important.
  Tom: Yeah and I don’t think people realize the power of sharing our fear. Putting it out there, people hold it in, they don’t, whether it makes them appear weak, or like they don’t have it together. And unfortunately, and I know for me and I’m sure it’s for a lot of people that, you know, if I don’t manage this stuff, old behavior shows back up. And the old behavior is the behavior that I don’t want, you know, I’m in recovery, and you know the most important thing for me today is to maintain that. And it isn’t usually a right turn, it isn’t usually a suggestion, it’s usually overwhelmed by anxiety and really for me what’s not going my way, and that fear that that old past might show up, or look like more of an option today, and whether it’s you know, what I struggle with, or whether it’s eating, or spending too much money, all of those things are, you know, they’re not far away, and it doesn’t take much, and that’s why I think, you know, we wanna be happy, but we also wanna protect ourselves, all the hard work that we’ve done, and sometimes a good conversation will start to be the beginning.
  Andy: Absolutely, and the thing about COVID is that, you know, we’re all in this together, you know, it’s you say, well if you’re a therapist or psychiatrist and your patient comes to you who has had some horrible, traumatic experience that you’ve never experienced in any way, you know, it’s a little harder to get in that person’s shoes, which we have to do in our field, but when we’re all experiencing to some degree or another, the same darn thing, it’s way easier, way easier process to emphasize and to share.
  Tom: Well, and you mentioned where you are located– so you’re on John J. Williams, which is Route 24, right, don’t want to confuse anybody, that’s Route 24, and are you by, where exactly are you, if someone wanted to come over, or if someone set up an appointment, how would they—
  Andy: Well if you’re comin’ down from, coming down south on Route 1 and turn right on John J. Williams Highway right after the Burger King, used to be my landmark, but now they’ve closed— but right there, that’s the corner, turn down there and it’s an easy ride, you go past the Beebe places on the left, you go past the two schools, one on each side, and then the creek, the bridge over the creek, Love Creek, and then we’re on the right, right after Love Creek.
  Tom: Okay, well, and you’re doing most things right now virtually anyway—
  Rosi: Yeah the beauty of now is that we’re actually hearing that telehealth is more accessible for some, that they’re able to make their appointments, they’re able to manage their schedules more easily because they can do things virtually. We have not re-opened our offices as of now, in deference to not only our clients but to our staff to ensure their safety and their level of comfort in being in the community. As you can imagine it’s very difficult to have a therapeutic conversation with a mask on—that would be required if we were in an office, others are using shields, you know, this approach, zoom, and telehealth is right now our solution, and we’ll probably be doing that through the winter, well into the spring, but our team of professionals is also, you know, I mentioned the total number of people we have on staff in the therapy department, we have over thirty providers, so that gives most people the opportunity to connect with someone that they can connect with, and that is very important to us as well, we work very hard on making a match for individuals who are looking for support.
  Tom: Great. Well I, some of the days I feel like we will never go back to the way it was, like this is the new normal, and it’s so convenient I’m almost wondering if it’s just easier to just continue like this.
  Andy: Good question Tom, you know, I attended an online, virtual, American Psychiatric Association had a mini version, they had to cancel their annual conference, and there was a, one of the old, senior, emeritus psychoanalysis experts who’s a psychiatrist, a psychiatrist out of Kernberg spoke and here’s an analyst, and I figure, well, how can you do psychoanalysis remotely, you know. And he said it’s working, we’re doing it! It’s very effective! So, I said, great! You know, what I do is way easier than that to do, you know, remotely, and it’s working very well and you’re right I mean the convenience, and that I can see people from the Wilmington area who were referred to JFS, and you know, couldn’t do that easily before. So, who knows! Who knows how much of this is gonna persist when all of this is behind us? I don’t know.
  Tom: Well we’re making the new normal, I guess. Haha! So, what is, so this, the Virtual Wellness Summit, so it’s three days, Andy you’re gonna speak, did you say, tomorrow?
  Andy: Tomorrow, Tuesday at two o’clock.
  Tom: Tuesday at two o’clock, how do we get on this Virtual Wellness Summit?
  Rosi: That’s a great question, Tom! I encourage everyone to go to the jfsdelaware.org website. That’s J as in Justin, F as in Frank, S as in Sam, Delaware, one word, at jfsdelaware.org, and you’ll see right up at the top, an events tab, and click right on there and you can register for the Virtual Wellness Summit through the JFS website. You’ll see the entire line-up, again starting on October 27th through the 29th, not all day—morning, noon, and evening sessions so that we can accommodate everyone. Morning, midday, and evening sessions, not necessarily noon, and we just want people to be able to ask the questions and get the support that they need. We hope—
  Tom: Is there a charge for this? Is that an appropriate question?
  Rosi: Yes, it’s an absolutely appropriate question. It is free!
  Tom: Ok! It’s appropriate ‘cause it was free, if it wasn’t I’d be uh-oh…
  Rosi: Exactly, no! We have about three hundred people registered…
  Tom: Oh, wow ok.
  Rosi: Yeah, it’s a webinar format, you see the presenter, you’ll be able to use the Q and A chat function in zoom to ask questions, but you won’t see the other participants that are joining that particular seminar, so your privacy, and autonomy, and feelings will all be protected, you’ll see the presenters and the moderators, but you won’t see the other participants. Yeah, so we have about three hundred people registered, we actually have people attending from all over the world which is really exciting and interesting, this is a worldwide feeling and we need to build our worldwide resilience that’s just, we feel like it’s such a gift that we’re able to give right now. And we do hope if you’re going, if you can’t make this one, we hope that you’ll reach out to JFS to you know, just find the resources that you need, there are so many resources. The state is providing resources, the Sussex County Health Coalition is providing resources, JFS is providing resources, we’re gonna be here as we have been for the past hundred and twenty years, for the next one hundred years. We were here for the pandemic of 1918, we’ll be here through this, we will get through this as long as we– I loved what you said, what Matt said, that if we continue to share our stories, we’ll cut our anxiety in half.
  Tom: That’s right.
  Rosi: It’s incredible.
  Tom: It works!
  Rosi: It works.
  Tom: I bet you when Andy finishes his presentation tomorrow, he feels pretty awesome. Haha! ‘Cause, you know, I’m sure you even get a little stressed out, a little fear, I mean, maybe a little nerves come in, but that to me is right before the miracle. And once it’s over, you know, you put yourself out there and all of a sudden, it’s all done and you’re like wow, I feel fantastic. I wanted to talk a little bit, so, if we could, because you know, Andy and I and his wonderful wife, we have a little history, we’ve known each other for, I don’t know, ten years?
  Andy: Well, probably six…
  Tom: Six, six years—
  Andy: Yeah, something like that—
  Tom: You wanna share your story, I know your story, I know you guys were, I think you were in Maryland—
  Tom: And, you guys made the move over here—
  Andy: Yes! I’ll talk about…
  Tom: And maybe you wanna share a little of your story, and just some of your, little bit of your history, because not everybody knows how awesome you are like I do.
  Andy: Oh, that’s right, haha! Yeah, I, we, Amy and I lived in Baltimore and had a busy psychiatry outpatient practice in Towson, Maryland, and we, it was a grind. It was a grind, busy practice, running, as you all know, running a small business is very demanding and we found that we could, thank god, afford to buy an affordable condo in Milton, in the edge of Lewes, start coming down for weekends, to long weekends, to unwind, loved the area. And we met a neighbor who was on the board of JFS and she told us, we heard about an event, fundraising event in Rehoboth, she introduced us to Basha Silverman, the CEO of JFS of Delaware and she’s like wow, you know, we need a psychiatrist, it was a desperate need, there’s a shortage, it’s getting better in a lot of fields since we’ve been coming here and living here, in terms of number of providers, accessibility of care, but psychiatry? Still, you know, there’s a real shortage. So I had not even considered retiring, you know, yet, but she said well, you know, we could do it! We could semi-retire, working part time for JFS. We moved here full time, a little over a year ago, and it’s great! Very happy to be here. And yeah, so as Tom, as you know, we’re in a community where you’ve got your business and that’s how we got acquainted! So, here we are.
  Tom: Well and it’s funny ‘cause we’ve had this anxiety conversation before.
  Andy: Oh yeah.
  Tom: We talked about anxiety, we talked, we’ve had this conversation way before COVID.
  Tom: And I’ve always said, Andy, how many people that have anxiety are just not getting their way? And you used to laugh, you’re like, well I think it’s more than that, and I was like ok. Haha! I have to simplify things for my, for me to understand it, but this is, you know, COVID, after COVID, before COVID, this, it’s always a problem. You know it’s something that I think—
  Andy: There’s always gonna be challenges and stress. There’s no question.
  Rosi: So, Tom, you bring up a really good point, it’s the stigma of accessing care and breaking down those barriers, to knowing it’s ok to ask for help.
  Tom: Well, and I, it’s always, I think if we look at it as like, “I’m having trouble, I need help,” or maybe, “how can I talk to somebody to make me better?” You know, it doesn’t always have to be, “I’m not good enough, I’m struggling,” maybe some people just need a good conversation to figure out maybe get a couple tools to be a better individual when it comes to certain– ‘cause listen, it’s COVID, I mean, I, you know, I can have the same stress, you know, if the water isn’t running right, you know, still, I still revert back to this panicky thing. So maybe in the end, through all this, maybe people can learn—I know that I’m learning, whether it’s patience, or surrendering, but I’m learning new tools to handle situations that you know, when COVID eventually we get through it, something else will come up, you know, I can maybe use these tools to handle the next problem.
  Andy: That’s it.
  Tom: That’s it, drop the pin, haha! Ta-da! Well, I appreciate you folks comin’ on the podcast, it is a, I’m so blessed to have this podcast and be able to enjoy conversations with people whether it’s you know, the Jewish Family Services, or the pizza place. Like you said in the beginning, it takes a village, sometimes villages look different, but we’re all, you know, for the common cause, of just trying to find a little serenity in our life.
  Rosi: Yes, thank you for having us, Tom—
  Andy: Thank you, Tom.
  Rosi: We have so many incredible programs, I look forward to coming back on, you and I talked about that. We’re launching a very, very important program called the Employment Support Network.
  Tom: Mmm, that sounds good!
  Rosi: And, I, you also in the beginning talked about the specific needs of the community and anxiety provoking situations, and loss of a job is number one. Maybe number two. But we, JFS is responding to that need, we’re launching a statewide program to support that need, and it’s called the Employment Support Network, so we’ll talk about that in the future!
  Tom: I love it! Every month!
  Rosi: Every month! I love it.
  Tom: Every month! Haha! Well so, if anybody is, if anybody out there is stressed out, you know, not sure, new to these unusual feelings that we’re having, you know, give these folks a call, or reach out, and we’ve given out the website, and—
  Rosi: Let me give out the phone number too, ‘cause—
  Rosi: We still have a receptionist that answers the phone, and takes the calls—
  Tom: And I’ll put it all on the link, and when we post the podcast, so we’ll have that, the website, and the phone number in the description.
  Rosi: Fantastic. Thank you. 302-478-9411 is the main number, and that, and you’ll reach either Marsha or Rose and they will take care of you.
  Tom: Question, do you, I know that it’s a weird time now, but, you know, hopefully once we start gettin’ through this, do you guys, or gir– sorry, you folks, ever need volunteers?
  Rosi: You just set me up for that next conversation.
  Rosi: The Employment Support Network is designed around the use of volunteers. We are currently recruiting over one hundred volunteers.
  Tom: That’s great.
  Tom: Well and I think a challenge that a lot of people are going through right now, is that there’s not much to do.
  Tom: And if you’re not… This is from my experience, if I’m not trying to help, if I’m not, and I use the word inconvenience people have, maybe have, it’s a preexisting condition word, but if you’re not suffering and helping others, it can get a little rough, so that’s great that you guys are offering volunteer opportunities once COVID gets, you know—
  Rosi: Absolutely. And that will come with training, and support, and leadership, and everything else that JFS has. And so, we’re looking forward to rolling that out. You know, and if I can just say something that our volunteers have been currently doing, is making phone calls, delivering meals, reaching out, checking in.
  Tom: That’s awesome.
  Rosi: We all have the opportunity to do that if you just make one phone call a day.
  Tom: And we’ll place that phone, we’ll place the number in the link if people are struggling with, I mean, the simple thing of eating. They can reach out and maybe you can direct them.
  Tom: Ok, alright.
  Rosi: Exactly. Thank you so much Tom!
  Tom: Thank you! Thank you so much!
  Andy: Thank you.
  Tom: It was great to have you folks on the podcast, I really appreciate everything you’re doing, and we’ll put all the links, and talk to you next month!
  Rosi: Thank you!
  Tom: Alright, buh-bye!