text: Contains 4 Packets Total. 12 seeds each Lima Bean Hybrids and 20 seeds of perennial Thicket bean with a Complimentary packet of Christmas Lima Beans Free Shipping Included with the purchase price if ordered by itself or the other beans listed in 2024-25 season. Packets come in a green burlap bag with drawstring and 5 reusable plastic plant tags with copper wire for easy field identification.
  The Cloud Lima beans are grown from a cloud or population level of diversity created by using the hybrids of lima bean and the perennial thicket bean. Each seedling is genetically different useful for creating both annual and perennial forms of lima and thicket beans. It is not a clonal selection. Instead it generates its own diversity from within the cloud leaving you with greater diversity than when you started. It allows you to create clonal selections while continuing this engine of diversity.
  Packet 1 Thicket Beans perennial species grown isolated at my farm from long lasting roots more than a decade old. Vigorous. 10-15 ft. tall vine.(20 seeds)
  Packet 2 White Lima beans on super vigorous vines. Plants have dark green large leaves and lush foliage. Pink and yellow flowers. 15-20 ft. tall vine.(12)
  Packet 3 Small Speckled lima beans on early ripening vines with heavy yields. Pink flowers. Well branched vines 10 ft. tall vine. (12 seeds)
  Packet 4 Small White-Mixed Speckled lima beans on large vigorous vines with heavy yields with dark green foliage. Pink flowers. 15 ft. tall vine. (12 seeds)
  This selection is enough to clothe a 10-15 ft. long trellis with both perennial and annual vines. The height should be at least 8 ft. tall. It is best to use 4 by 4 posts on the ends or 1 1/2 inch diameter outdoor galvanized pipe. 2 by 2 mesh size is ideal for support of the vines along with a top wire to carry the weight. Directions are included.
  Over the course of two decades the idea came to light to capture the flavor of the wild thicket bean and measure its yields while trying to improve it in a way it could be grown as a source of perennnial protein rich in nutrition and health. The plants from these populations are the beginning of a solution of creating deep rooted perennial beans as well as generating new varieties of the lima bean in the process. The amount of 'perennialness' is still unknown as of 2024. The first group of perennial limas fruited this year but the percentage is not known entirely. It is now becoming a more common occurence and will be published here as soon as possible.
  On the Selections Used For These Packets: I highly scrutinize and sort these particular seeds. Each type was grown in a separate trellis. These selections are grown specifically for further selections by you. The large white limas may be a bit shriveled but this will not effect their germination. Some of the most vigorous forms appear to have the latest ripeing beans at this juncture. I will use only the seeds from the best plants and yields. Some are perennial in this group. I do not have enough of the all blue types to use yet. As I am trying to build this all purple and all blue with white speckles population first and it has been elusive to create.
  Germination and Growing Directions: The thicket bean seeds require you to scar and soak them to speed germination. I will apply one scarification to them prior to sending them to you. This might not be enough and you may have to do it again. Take a medium grit sand paper and rub the seeds to remove some of the shine from the seed. This will allow water past the seed coat and start the germination of the seed. You will see a white root pop out. They are hypogeal and the root will extend quite a ways until the top shows. Soak before planting if you can. Usually one overnight soaking is enough and then put it in a paper towel and wait for the roots to appear. You can repeat this process until all the seeds sprout.Otherwise they can go for two years in the soil before sprouting so do not give up. It runs around a 30-50 percent germination without any scarification.
  The other limas are best if just planted in warm soil that is well tilled and friable. Please note these are sensitive to sprout so use more care than you would regular beans. Avoid rich compost laden soils instead favoring sandy and well drained soil. If you use fertilizer wait until the first true leaves appear before application. Use the lowest rate at first until the plants are a foot tall. I apply a band of composted cow manure on the outside of the trellis when the plants are up. I also use a repellant and chicken wire to prevent browse from deer that wander near the trellis. Removing grass and existing sod is critical to get your beans the root space they need to perennialize and have any sort of decent yields. Within the second year the vines will really take off. You can then use the seeds from before to improve on yields and selections in the process.
  Free Shipping. No international orders. Complete directions are printed and sent along with the order for more detailed ideas on the trellis systems I use along with germinating lima beans, the hybrids and the species contained within these packets.
  Your purchase helps support me in growing these populations. If you have difficulty with these seeds feel free to reach out for help. Everyone should have great success with these wonderful satellite populations in their gardens.
  Seeds come in packets enclosed in a green burlap bag with drawstring. For labeling in the field: 5--- 3 inch long plastic tags with copper wires are included with each order. Give someone a cloud of beans as a gift.
  Genus & Species
  Phaseolus polystachios, lunatus, polystachios x luntatus hybrids
  Thicket-wild bean to minus 25F or more root hardy. -15 F on perennial hybrid plants-Unknown on most seedlings as they could be annuals and only tolerate down to frost 32 F.
  10-20 ft. tall depending on soil and climate
  All plants will likely cross pollinate each other making for more diverse progeny. The yields will not necessarily be greater because all beans are self fruitful to begin with. But the diversity will continue if you let it by natural cross pollination.
  Does best in well drained sandy soil. Like lima beans. Unknown ability to tolerate flooding or low oxygen soils. Unsure of high clay soils. Likes slightly acidic soils supplemented by gypsum at my farm. Similar to the lima bean.
  Midwestern and northeastern U.S. adaptibility. Hasn't been tested in hot dry climates. Similar to the lima bean.
  Ease of Cultivation
  Extremely easy to grow from seed. Seeds need no dormancy. The scarring of the thicket bean is needed to improve water absorbtion into the bean which greatly improves germination. I scar them before shipping but it is always a good idea to do this again if some do not work right away in the soaking and putting in a damp paper towel. Harvest is easy to do and shucking can be accomplished by letting the pods dry on trays indoors as they twist and release their seeds.