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gpt
So, you've got this dream by the sounds of it, which is, you know, to have a partner, and a house, and a nice car-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-so don't forget the nice car, and some kids, and be a- be a good dad-
human
Yeah, yeah.
gpt
-to your kids. So, is this dream starting to-- I am getting a picture of?
human
Yeah, it'd be good.
gpt
Yeah. Okay. So, what I'm really interested in is how offending fits in with that picture, that dream.
human
I guess it doesn't.
gpt
Yeah, how doesn't it fit, Billy?
human
Uh, I guess I have to keep coming-coming back here and go into court and stuff.
gpt
Yeah?
human
Yeah. It kinda messes things up.
gpt
Yeah. It kinda messes up that dream, that picture?
human
Yeah. It makes it harder.
gpt
Mm. Makes it harder? Yeah. Well, it can make it harder to keep a job, aye?
human
Mm.
gpt
And harder to—
human
Like it's hard to get a job 'cause you have to say that you've done prison time and stuff, so it's pretty hard.
gpt
Yeah.
human
Yeah.
gpt
And we've talked about that idea of you getting a job and something to do with cars 'cause that's where your passion is.
human
Mm.
gpt
Yeah? So, what have you been thinking, um, since we last met, about what you might do about getting that kind of job?
human
Uh, I don't know if-if I would go into polytech, done courses there or something.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah. Like, if they've got jobs now.
gpt
Okay, so you know some people?
human
Yeah.
gpt
You've gone down that road of kind of going back to school in some ways and getting a tryout or-
human
Yeah, yeah.
gpt
-getting a qualification?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? So, what-what would interest you about going down that same, sort of, path?
human
Just learn more about cars and just, kind of, hands-on job.
gpt
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so what in particular? Like, if you could have whatever you wanted, in terms of that sort of work, what would you do?
human
[sighs] Mechanic, or panel [unintelligible 00:18:02], or just-- I wouldn't care, I just-- as long as it's cars.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So, as long as it has to do with cars, you'd be sweet with that?
human
Yes, pretty much.
gpt
Yeah?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Okay. So-so what sort of things do you think you need to do to go down that path to get that qualification?
human
Just I have to get that training, I guess, and then probably get a job.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Okay. So, what sort of training did you-- did these people, that you've been talking about, what did they do?
human
Like, sort of, um, just at the polytech. I don't know what exactly it was, but—
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
It took them like-- And, it took them like a year or something, and then they went into apprenticeship.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. So, how confident are you that you could do something similar to these-these friends that you've got?
human
Yeah. I could do it pretty easy. It's just, like, I probably know all this stuff already.
gpt
Okay. So, it would be pretty easy. So, if it's pretty easy, what do you need to do next, Billy?
human
Like, well, I went out and picked some forms and stuff, but it's real confusing, like, having to apply, so I-I just couldn't-- I don't know. I couldn't do it.
gpt
Okay. So, you actually went to the polytech—
human
Yeah, yeah.
gpt
-and picked up some forms?
human
Yeah, yeah. Passed around and everything.
gpt
Wow.
human
Yeah.
gpt
That's fantastic, Billy.
human
Yeah, but I just-- Like, they wouldn't help me out, so-
gpt
Okay.
human
-I got some forms and-
gpt
Tell me- tell me what happened when you say they-- like it didn't help you? What-what-what happened?
human
I asked- I asked them what I had to do, and they said I had to fill out some forms, but-
gpt
Yeah.
human
-well, the forms, it's too confusing.
gpt
Okay. So, they gave you a horde of forms for a particular course?
human
Yeah, yeah. Well, I got one- I got one for panel [unintelligible 00:19:33], and one for, uh, uh, like, panel and paint-
gpt
Mm.
human
-so, learning how to paint cars and stuff.
gpt
Yeah.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Okay. So, you got the forms, took them- took them home?
human
Yeah. I was gonna fill them out there, but then I didn't get them, so I took them home, but I was gonna get Donna to help me, but I just didn't get around to it.
gpt
Mm-hmm. You said the forms were confusing?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? What-what's the confusing bit?
human
I didn't understand, like, what you're supposed to write down. Like, yeah. I'm not good at this, maybe too confusing.
gpt
Yeah. So, when you've had to write things or fill out forms before, how-how's that been for you?
human
I don't really deal with it. I s-- I don't really like writing.
gpt
You don't like writing?
human
No.
gpt
Yeah. So, wondering what that's about, about not actually liking writing.
human
No, I'm just real messy, so people can't read it.
gpt
People can't read-- People can't read your handwriting?
human
[chuckles] Yeah, no. It's what they say, yeah.
gpt
Oh, you must be a doctor.
human
Yeah, I am. [chuckles]
gpt
Yeah? [chuckles] Yeah?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Okay. So, you need some help to fill out the forms?
human
Yeah. Like, a computer or something. If you could write on a computer, I could do that.
gpt
Mm.
human
But, we don't have a computer.
gpt
Okay. All right, so what-what do you need to do, Billy, to actually get to that point where you can fill out a form and post it off?
human
Just ask to get someone else to do it I guess. I guess I could ask Donna, but it's been embarrassing.
gpt
Okay, so you feel like it would be embarrassing to ask Donna to give you some help-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-because you feel that she might find out something about you that you're not quite sure you want her to find out?
human
Well, I don't know if it's that serious, it's just-
gpt
Okay.
human
-I'm sure most people can fill them out. I don't know, I just don't get it.
gpt
Hmm. So, who else could you ask to help you?
human
No one. I guess you. You could do it. Would you do it?
gpt
Well, have you got the forms with you?
human
No.
gpt
Okay. I'm wondering about-- because it sounds like this whole idea about filling out the forms, is getting in the way of this bigger dream that you've got which is around getting a qualification around something to do with cars-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-and getting on this road where you're staying out of trouble because you've got this, um, interest-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-which you can do. So, it seems a real shame that the forms are gonna get in the way, so we need to find a way around the forms.
human
Mm.
gpt
Yeah? So, what do you think, between now and next week, you can do around the forms?
human
I guess, I'd go pick them up and I don't know, I guess I could ask Donna, but she'd probably help me, I don't really want to.
gpt
She'd probably help you, but you don't really want to. It sounds like you're a bit embarrassed.
human
Well, I don't know. Plus, well, I don't know if I could bother getting up at nine o'clock every morning and having to go to Polytec. I've got used to sleeping in.
gpt
Mm.
human
At night.
gpt
So, the whole thing about going back to poly-- going back to school-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-going back to polytech is-- would-would require a really big change in the way which you're currently living, and you're not quite sure if you can do that.
human
Yeah. Uh, it would be cool if it's anything like school. Like, I didn't really enjoy school. [unintelligible 00:22:56] so writing and stuff, and I wouldn't wanna do that. If it's all hands-on though, it would be all good.
gpt
Yeah. So, there's something here about your level of-- about how confident you are around writing or how unconfident you are, that sounds like it's getting in the way.
human
Yeah. No, it does get in the way. I just don't wanna do it.
gpt
Mm. Okay.
human
It's a waste of time.
gpt
All right. So, it sounds like we might need to have some more conversation around that.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, what's really getting in the way?
human
For what?
gpt
Well, this writing business. What's really getting in the way?
human
Of what? Well, I don't get it.
gpt
Well, I'm wondering, like-- it sounds like it's a thing that you're putting up as saying you can't do-
human
Yeah. I can't.
gpt
-so I'm wondering where you are around your writing and you're reading?
human
Oh, it's pretty [unintelligible 00:23:47], but, like, still-- I don't know, I'm not retarded, or anything. I can write and read.
gpt
Mm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. Well, I have to say, I think it's really obvious that you're not retarded.
human
Like--
gpt
[chuckles]
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah, we are having a really good conversation here.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, reading and writing is not a strong point for you.
human
No, not really. Yeah, I don't really enjoy it.
gpt
Mm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, how much reading and writing is involved in the course that you're gonna go on?
human
I don't know. Hopefully, not many-- not much, but that's what I wanna find out, I guess.
gpt
So, what'd it be like if you were more confident in your reading and writing? What'd that be like?
human
It'd make everything easier.
gpt
Mm.
human
Like-- I don't really like reading books or anything, so I don't really care about that but just, say, real-life stuff like going to the bank, and stuff like that-
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
-yeah, that have filling out forms.
gpt
Yeah.
human
Yeah.
gpt
And, I guess that there will be manuals and stuff like that on-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-your course that, you know, to-- the hands-on stuff, it sounds like you're really confident around doing, but it's the more reading, writing, book, kind of, stuff that you are not so--
human
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
gpt
Mm.
human
Yeah, that'd suck if you had to read, like, a big manual or something. Hmm.
gpt
Mm. Okay. So- so like before you get to here where you got this dream and there's some things that need to happen before that.
human
Mm.
gpt
Yeah. So, mm, we need to think about what's the very first step.