5_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_KZkxveh70_reducing recidivism
gpt
Hi, Billy.
human
Hi.
gpt
Hi, another session and another session where you are actually on time.
human
Yeah.
gpt
You've done-- You've got a really good track record of, uh, being on time. Yeah? Do you realize that?
human
Yeah, no, it's easy.
gpt
Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've been thinking about, um, thinking about you, and thinking about, um, that first meeting we had, and where you are now. So, wh-what do you think some of the changes are that-that you've made in this- in this, sort of, five-five to six weeks that we've been meeting?
human
Uh. Meeting's definitely helped.
gpt
Yeah?
human
Yeah. It's helped-
gpt
Yeah?
human
-heaps.
gpt
It's helped heaps?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? So, what sort of things has it helped with?
human
Just, uh, someone to talk to and just someone to keep me busy and, kind of, keep me in check.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So, what changes have you made, Billy?
human
Um, well, I said I went to the polytech and stuff-
gpt
Mm.
human
-and I went back there and got another form and stuff, and just helping me with that.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. And, get-getting to the polytech and getting the forms, that's a pretty big deal.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? I was thinking about the Billy, say, the Billy of six months ago. I'm wondering if the Billy of six months ago would've done that?
human
Nah. I didn't really think about it frankly.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So, what shifted that made it that you were actually able to go to the polytech and get the forms? What's shifted in you?
human
I don't know. I just thought if, uh, I could get a job and stuff, doing stuff I like, uh, it'll make things easier.
gpt
Mm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. Where have you got to with the forms? I mean, we talked about that quite a lot last time.
human
Yeah. Oh, I know. After talking to you, I got Donna to help me out, and that's just really helpful.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
[clears throat]
gpt
Okay. So, what did you say to Donna?
human
[clears throat] Oh, I just said-- I said, "Uh, could you give me a hand with this?"
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
And, like, she filled them up for me, and I told her what to write.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Okay. So, where did you get to in terms of telling her that, uh, reading and writing is not that [unintelligible 00:27:23] for you?
human
Just-- I-I asked her to fill that out for me because I said I'd be too messy.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, I was thinking about how that stuff about not feeling confident around reading and writing has, um, really got in the way for you.
human
Yeah.
gpt
And I mentioned that's somewhere where you don't feel so confident, and I'm wondering what it would be like to feel confident with reading and writing. What difference would that make to your life?
human
Like, a big difference, but, like, it's not like I don't try.
gpt
Mm.
human
Like, I'm just not really good with it.
gpt
Yeah. Yeah, I can really see that you're making an effort. In fact, I can see that you're really making an effort in lots of areas, not just in terms of reading and writing.
human
Yeah. Like [unintelligible 00:28:13] if I'd got into polytech and stuff, so I think that's good.
gpt
Mm.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, where are the forms now?
human
They're still at home.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
Yeah. If—
gpt
So, what needs to happen next?
human
Just take them in.
gpt
So, you actually have to deliver them to the polytech, do you?
human
Yeah. Uh, I think you can post them, but I'll just drop them in.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So, when do you think you're gonna do that?
human
Uh, probably by the end of this week.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So, by the end of this week, so by next time, when you come here, as in, those forms will be at the polytech?
human
Yeah.
gpt
And what-what happens next in terms of what happens once the forms are there?
human
I don't know. I don't know if you have to interview or whatever, but I guess, course-- I don't even know any course that I'll do.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So what's the- what's the-- Say, if you get on the course-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-and, um, you're, like, real good with, uh, hands-on stuff, but the stuff around the manuals, and the assignments, and those sorts of things, um, don't feel so good. What-what do you think we need to do around helping you with that?
human
Well, um-- Well, I don't know. Hopefully, there's not so much of that stuff. Um, oh, well, I don't know. I could find out maybe someone who can help you, like, at the school, at the polytech, maybe somebody can help you out and stuff, or there might be computers there or something.
gpt
Mm. Yeah?
human
Yeah.
gpt
So, all these changes that you've- that you've made, um, Billy, where-where is the offending fitting into all of that now?
human
Not really fitting in. It kind of just gets in the way.
gpt
So, offending gets in the way of the life that you're starting to lead?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? So, what temptations have you had to, kind of, go back to offending?
human
Like like getting on the piss, but with Donna, there kind of keeps me busy.
gpt
Mm. So the drinking is something that we talked about can make it easier for you to offend.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So you've noticed that when you've been drinking that those feelings are coming back again, or?
human
Yeah. I just wanna have a bit of a laugh and like go smash some windows or go and nick a car or something, but yeah. It's kind of harder to think straight.
gpt
It's harder to think straight when you've been drinking?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. Yeah. And so you've got Donna around at the moment?
human
Yeah.
gpt
And that's helping keep you in check, as you said?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. What would happen if she wasn't around say or at a party or?
human
I'd probably just go be stupid with my mates.
gpt
Okay. So Donna at the moment who kind of being there is like a strength?
human
Yeah. 'Cause if there's just like if a mate said they're gonna go out and pick a car or something, she just bumps them out and then-then I don't know. She say that's stupid and stuff. And I don't know. It gives me something to do.
gpt
Mm. What do you think?
human
Just kind of stupid. Well, it's pointless, but still a bit of a laugh.
gpt
Mm. Yeah. 'Cause I was thinking about that dream that you've got about the job and a life with Donna and-
human
Mm.
gpt
-kids and stuff like that and how you were saying that the offending doesn't fit in with that dream or that idea.
human
No.
gpt
So there's that on the one hand, but on the other hand, there's the kind of immediate, um, feeling when you've had a few to drink and you're with your mates and it feels like it would be a bit of a laugh?
human
Yeah.
gpt
So you've got-got those two things going on at the same time. Yeah?
human
Mm.
gpt
And it sounds like sometimes when you're in there with your mates and had a few drinks, it's hard to hold on to that vision of the future.
human
Yeah. You don't really think about that. Well, just in the moment.
gpt
Okay. So what-wh-- in the moment, what are you thinking?
human
Just have a bit of fun. Not really thinking.
gpt
Not really thinking or simply not thinking beyond the next-
human
Mm.
gpt
-kind of minute or so-
human
No. Just, like, it's not normally my idea, like someone else would just suggest it and you kind of just, yeah.
gpt
So it's not your idea. And you also go along with it?
human
Yeah. You can't really be like, "Oh no," just give me shit.
gpt
Mm-hmm. What would happen if you say no?
human
Just like, it can be shit and I still do it. They just-just call me a pussy or whatever and I don't know. And they'd talk me into it probably.
gpt
Mm-hmm. So it's hard to actually say no to your friends-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-'cause of what they- what they thought of you.
human
They'd just think I was joking, yeah.
gpt
Yeah. So I'm wondering what the-the thinking, 'cause, um, one of the things that's really changed for you is being with Donna.
human
Yeah.
gpt
So I'm wondering, you know, most of them butt-butts head on your friendships with those- with those guys.
human
I don't see them as much, but like she gets along with them aye, so-
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
I don't think, like, I am not sure they like it.
gpt
Then so when you're-- so you're spending less time with them and more time with Donna?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. And you're saying you're kind of hanging out with her and going to movies and stuff? Yeah. And that means you're spending less time with your-- with those people that have actually led you in trouble in the past?
human
They don't lead me into trouble. But-
gpt
Okay. So tell me- tell me what it is that they do so I get a better understanding of it.
human
Uh, like it's my choice though, they don't make me.
gpt
Yeah.
human
Yeah. I know it's just having grown up with, it's just what we've always done.
gpt
Okay. So that's just what you've always done.
human
Yeah.
gpt
But we're also talking about this idea that it doesn't fit with what your goals are or what your hopes are?
human
Mm.
gpt
Yeah. Mm. How would you like it to be?
human
My life? Well, what do you mean?
gpt
Mm, well the stuff about when you're in the moment. Yeah.
human
Yeah.
gpt
When you've had a few drinks and you kind of go and get into trouble. How would you like that to be different?
human
I don't know. Just more or less like if Donna was there and maybe if my mates got some girlfriends or something like that would calm them down too.
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
So just hang out instead of go and do stuff, like stupid stuff.
gpt
Okay. So-so Donna's helped calm you down and you'd like, um, them to calm down too?
human
Yeah, 'cause then we could hang out together and stuff-
gpt
Mm.
human
-with our girlfriends and stuff.
gpt
So am I hearing that it's tricky in some ways to hang out with them sometimes-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-now that you're with Donna?
human
Yeah. Cause I like I feel guilty not spending my time with, yeah, Donna. Like, I miss my mates, like, I get lonely and stuff, but even though they get me into trouble, but-
gpt
Hmm.
human
-just, kind of, feel stoked that-that I see them on the weekends and stuff.
gpt
Okay. So-so what's the definition, for you, of a good mate?
human
It's, like, loyal-
gpt
Mm-hmm.
human
-yes, someone who's got my back.
gpt
So, someone who's loyal, someone who's got your back, yeah? What else? What else is really your definition of a really good mate?
human
That's about it. It's-- yeah.
gpt
Hmm.
human
Someone who'll stand up for you.
gpt
Oh, so, someone who'll stand up for you?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? Yeah. Sounds like a really strong definition of a good mate-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-for you? So, I'm wondering about, um, whether good mates lead you into trouble, if it's something you wanna do. If you got something different that you wanna do, what would a good mate do in that situation?
human
I mean, support me.
gpt
Yeah. How-how would you wanna be supported, Billy?
human
Just don't give me shit about, I don't know. Um, yeah, just, if I- if I don't wanna go do something, don't, like, don't give me shit about it.
gpt
Mm. Okay, so that's-that's the kind of support that a really good mate would give you? It sounds-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-like these guys have been around for you-
human
Yeah, yeah, they [unintelligible 00:36:38]
gpt
-for quite some time, and they're really important to you.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah. Okay. So, I'm wondering how we can get to that point where, yeah, you can say, "No, I don't wanna do that," and they're supportive of you?
human
Mm.
gpt
What do you think it would take?
human
Just they know that I'm serious.
gpt
Okay. So, how would they know you're serious?
human
I guess, like, if they actually know I'm going to polytech and stuff that they might understand.
gpt
Okay.
human
But, like I feel guilty if they wanna go and have fun, and I'm not with them.
gpt
Okay. That's the second time you've used that word 'guilty'.
human
Yeah.
gpt
Yeah? So, it sounds like it's a really-- something's really important to you about that.
human
Yeah. Like, just going out with them or spending some times with them-- time with them, but, like, I really wanna spend time with Donna too-
gpt
Mm.
human
-so, it'd be cool if we could spend time together, like, with Donna and my mates.
gpt
Okay. So, it's almost as if you feel a bit torn because you wanna be with Donna, but you also wanna be with your-
human
Yeah.
gpt
-with your mates?
human
Yeah, like-- Well, I know I get into trouble with them, but they're still my mates, and I-
gpt
Mm.
human
-feel--
gpt
Yeah, so they're still important to you?
human
Yeah.
gpt
Hmm. I also am hearing that you don't wanna get into trouble anymore.
human
No.
gpt
Mm. Yeah.