text: This is my second pare of these shoes.  They are very comfortable, I like the way they look, and they stay pretty dry in the winter (no grommet holes in the sides).  The Grounder II works a little better in the winter with the more aggressive tread but I have no complaints about this shoe; however, I have a complaint for all PF Flyers in general as they do not last that long.  If I wear these shoes all the time I can get about a year out of them and that is with several holes in them at the end of that year.  This isn't a problem if you can find these on sale which most of the time you can.