text: At first i loved these shoes, but then my knees started hurting.  Realized that these shoes have no arch support at all.  If you have flat feet i would not recommend these shoes.  If this is not an issue for you, then im sure you will love them.<br /><br />I have these for sale on ebay now, and i have purchased a pair of  Hoka one one Clifton 2's and LOVE them.  Been running on Saucony's for years, but i think at this point i am converting.