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 ==If KCS Varma is not quotable then H.A.Rose and Ibbetson, etc are not quotable either== 

 I see in somebody's logs compaint about ""pedestrian invectives"" in Varma's work. He cites Varma's politically incorrect views about Kayasth caste as the reason for his not being allowed to be quoted. True enough.  But there is a catch here.  This editor did not raise the same issue about quotability of HA Rose who has written blatantly racist , casteist and downright libelous stuff about a number of castes in the work that is currently being used support Kshatriya claim of Khatri caste. Rose's work actually fares much worse than Varma work on the yardstick which is being used to fail latter's quotability in wikipedia articles. Here are a few nuggets from Rose's works which should disqualify him by same bar as used for Varma: 

  
 *""They are small of stature, of quite remarkable personal ugliness, and very quarrelsome and litigious"", ( ""ugly"" Mahton) 

 *"" adds that they are wasteful in marriage expenditure, hospitable to travellers, thievish....""  ( ""thievish"" Kharral) 

 Reference: Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province, p54 & p 496,  H.A. Rose, IBBETSON, Maclagan, Asian Educational Services 

  
 
 *""...smaller in physique and less intelligent than a Jat"". ( ""less intelligent"" Kambohs) 

 *""They differ entirely in character from the idle, thievish and cowardly Gujars of the Southern Punjab""  ( ""thievish and cowardly"" Gujars) 

 *""They are of inferior physisque , envious, secretive, cowardly, lying , great bigots, inooffensivem and capital cultivators"" ( ""cowardly and lying"" Bannuchi Pathans)"" 

  
 Reference: A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West frontier province: A.-K."" H.A. Rose, p445,p36, p63 Atlantic Publishers & Dist, 1997 

 These examples are just a handful. Entire works of these ""authorities"" are littered with sweeping generalizations about castes that are blatantly racist and would not be accepted anywhere as genuine scholarship by today's standards. Not just a few individuals , entire castes are termed ""criminal"", ""ugly"", ""theivish"" etc. Is all this not considered ""pedestrian invective""? Why is Rose not being same treatment as Varma? You cannot cherry-pick your sources like this to make the arguments that suit your agenda. Same yardstick needs apply across the board. Would somebody consider deleting Rose's references just as Verma's have been deleted? 

 All the caste passion notwithstanding, Varma's work fares much better than Rose's on the quality of references. Rose's work is almost entirely based on rumours and free-wheeling references (if they can be considered references at all). If Varma's references need to go out , so do Rose's  "