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 == Template:Catalan-speaking world == 

 I don't accept the argument  is making against the inclusion of Template:Catalan-speaking world in this article. As I wrote in my edit summary, ""As a key event in the history of the Catalan-speaking world, this Template:Catalan-speaking world certainly belongs; it may be that others should be added for other contexts."" He responded ""A template that has modern painters and football teams is not related to the events of 300 years ago."" That strikes me as, basically, a non sequitir.  

 One might as well say that Template:AfricanAmerian cannot belong on practically any article, because it mentions both the slave trade and a baseball league, and there aren't going to be many articles to which both are directly related. This ignores that the common thread of national/ethnic experience is the reason for the template in the first place, and is the thing that ties these together. 

 My own view is that there are too many football teams on Template:Catalan-speaking world. I had initially included FC Barcelona because they were such a symbol during the Franco era, one of the few rallying points of Catalan nationalism in a repressive time. People kept adding others; I don't think the others belong, but no one has backed me up on this, help would be welcome. But using that criticism of the template's contents to argue that Template:Catalan-speaking world doesn't belong on a crucial event in the history of the Catalans strikes me as absolutely wrong.   |  "