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 :::I have already given my discussion (see . These articles have to be more accessible to everyone. Referring to predecessors by patronymics only, using names that aren't actually used in the titles in the main body of the article...it makes these articles very inaccessible to anyone not familiar with the subject already. And we want these articles to be useful to those that don't know about the subject already. It has nothing to do with Anglocentrism or Victoriana, it has everything to do with the fact that you cannot use foreign or obscure or confusing name or language forms in an encyclopaedia whose readers are primarily speakers of British English. These articles have become niche, perceived as editable only by Scots, and that is unacceptable. Angus, you've seen other projects - should we have an article entitled ""Philip IV of France"" which then consistently refers to him as ""Philippe le Beau"", and everyone else by their epithets? These articles need to be standardised with the rest of wikipedia, and internally consistent, and give the impression of being informative...because at the moment, the attitude appears to be one of ""we say it's like this, if a reader can't figure out the difference between Cinaed mac Mael Coluim and Cinaed mac Dubh, he must be an idiot.""    "