:::::TG, this is the first article we have run into each other in over a year, rather than thinking I am just there to piss you off how about just working on it with me? I raised valid points on the talk page, just deal with those and there is no issue is there? I honestly do not get why you have to personalize everything, just stick to the content, if I am wrong then problem solved, if I am right the article is improved and problem solved. For no, I am off to the pub. I will leave it for a few days OK.