Okay, you know, I do have an education as do the vast majority of contributors here so your reference that something my be beyond my scope of comprehension is alarming. Again, I provided a cited quote twice that showed that 172 also insulted. If you wish to see it otherwise that is up to you. Your citation provided nothing more enlightening than mine. I am not here to defend Silverback or to defend 172, or even you. I was attempting to make a good faith effort to ensure the blood letting would cease. You can't go running to the Admin noticeboard and file a complaint and not expect that a cross examination may ensue. Let's go ahead and get the arbitration going, waste a lot of time on that process and see that it will probably end up in results that are not completely satisfactory to all involved...weeks later, or, lets all analyize our own actions, accept that we are all potentially flawed and opinionated and cease fire. If Silverback and 172 will both agree to stay away from each other for awhile, then perhaps there is a hope that there will be room in this Wiki for both of them.