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 ::*:And let me make one final point, as I see no profit in further debate with Kiyoweap or Bloodofox. WP doesn't demand that sources are ""academic"", simply that they're reliable. If either of those two want to make a case that Varner is unreliable, and in particular that the material sourced to him in this article is significant enough to argue over, then let them try and make it. So far all I've seen is petulant bitching.   "