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 == RV. war == 
 I'm getting tired of this. In a 'battle' a while ago speed/black had been declared wehat would stay, and now one person disagrees and finds it necessary to change? I have kept thrash for the time being, but MANY thrash metal fans (including myself) would never call this thrash. If you insist on keeping it, do not revert other edits. Calling 'speed metal' vandalistic is plain stupid. Please, have a VALID point for its removal if you wish to do so. 
 While you're at it, please check the METAL ARCHIVES' page for Venom if you want my 'source' for Speed Metal. 
 Do not continue a pointless revert war.   

 : Its been removed as part of the WP:HMM's clean up strategy, and per the Speed Metal article. We also dont use MA as a source here, due to constant, and blatant, misinformation in their own articles.   

 : Point accepted - Venom still remains on the speed metal band list, because they still fall in that category. This shouldn't be a problem though.   

 Speed metal re-add: As per incorrect Speed Metal article, point disproven. 

 == Unappropriate comment == 

 Pardon by use exactly this word, but who gives a damn about what a unknown critic named Ed Rivadavia (not cited by Wikipedia pages) says on the Venom music? I'm not a fan of this band, but I think the comment is unrelevant and add no valious information on this band article. So about consider deleting it for good? I support the idea. 

  

  

  
 ==Comment== 

 ""They weren't a ""serious"" band""?...?!?!? 

  By that I think its meant that they didnt take the whole satan Schtick seriously. It was a stage act, as compared to the laterday Norwegians who appear to believe there own propaganda. 

  
 okay, i might want to place more of an emphasis on how they're actually more thrash/proto-black metal than REALLY black metal. Also, I just need to continue with the biography and stuff, and work on a member list.   

 I don't think they fake what they fell, I think your vision on the band is wrong. There are numerous way a person express beliefs in satanism and so on, none of them must be despised. (unindentified user)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by     

 ==influences== 
 okay, venom influenced a LOT of bands, so it might be a bit of a crazy idea to list them all on here.   

 ==POV for ""Mantas""== 
 Isn't this page very biased? Take a look at whenever Mantas is mentioned 

 :haha, wow, yeah, it is, especially since (NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE, i'm in love with venom), mantas wasn't really the greatest guitarist around. i'll fix it some time when i'm not asleep.   

 == Speed == 
 Venom IS SPEED/BLACK. please stop changing it. check the metal-archives for more info. 

 This has generally been agreed on. It was just 'black metal' once, which is definitely wrong. Obviously someone disgrees - Venom had raw producution and harsh vocals yes, but instrumentalls mantas played a style similar to Priest's speed metal sound. that stuff about crust punk / nwobhm can stay in the albums since many do believe that - if you wish to add thrash there that's fine since that genre is probably already on most of those album pages.   

 :Not to raise this revising battle once more, but couldn't it just be Blackened Speed (or Thrash) and NWOBHM?  Because we have Black Metal, Speed Metal, Blackened Thrash, and NWOBHM.  It would be simpler to just put that...unless we're being specific here then go right ahead. Good work on the article also.   

 == Henry Rollins is stupid == 
 Yeah well look where you are now henry rollins, youre just talking on records and you think youre really intelligent. what a fucking loser. 

 that part should be removed, because anyone intelligent recognizes venom as important. the henry rollins thing is jut an anecdote really 

  
 :well, don't get me wrong, venom was very important, and i like them as much as the next guy, but i think it's probably good to have something that mentions that they really weren't all too great at their instruments. i mean, they even admitted it in interviews.   

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