" February 2009 (UTC) 

 ::::As I said, I would like to hear arguments ""as to why the IDF figures are to be considered reliable, vis-a-vis health organizations on the ground in Gaza"". I haven't heard them. But, this is approaching the threshold of the stuff I am not giving a fuck about. This aberration of ugliness will have to be fixed in two years when when the books get written. I still however retain hope we can reach an informative and inclusive range that is well sourced, such as the format I suggested.  01:50, 4"