:::::Oh, no, you are not sucking me into that one. Look it up if you must. I am sure you are aware that there are oddball characters who contribute to Wikipedia and I am not having my talk page turned into some battleground, be it  for Libertarians vs Everyone else, Muslims vs Jews, Creationsists vs Atheists, or whatever. Such arguments tend to end up being distortions of what the protagonists say, as indeed you have already distorted what I said above. -