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 ==Traditional gender roles not necessarily seen as positive== 
 I edited the intro to reflect that men's rights commentary is not necessarily about preserving traditional gender roles but also about highlighting their negative impact on men in some respects.  I've recently read some material on this by Warren Farrell, who talks about things like workplace safety and the military and these kinds of ways in which ""we"" tend to devalue male lives.  Admittedly I suffer from the bias that this seems rather intuitive to me, and so I assume he's probably not the only one saying these things, but I also have the sense that he is influential.  

 As far as ""weasel"" goes, I'm familiar with this concept, but I think the point is we shouldn't sneak in unsourced statements by attributing them to, e.g., ""some people.""  I don't believe it requires us to maximize bluntness in all instances.  The current statement,""The MRM is considered to be a backlash or countermovement to feminism,"" is arguably weasely in that it's in passive voice (""is considered?""  By everybody?).  I think the bigger problem is it suggests a point that basically everyone agrees on.  That seemed immediately implausible to me, and so I made a little adjustment to say that MRM is ""sometimes"" considered to be such.  When Farrell comments that the men's movement is 50 years behind the women's movement, it's clear that at least he doesn't see it as just a backlash but an effort to recognize previously unrecognized interests that are peculiar to men. 

 Here's a question: do we believe all, most, or some proponents of men's rights see these rights to be in conflict with feminism?  I'm betting many would downplay the conflict and argue that attention to both women's rights and men's rights has a proper role.    "