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 == Global warming and forcing == 

  

 I don't want to get into on the talk page (as it's not relevant there), but you're no more of a subject matter expert than I am (based off your ""about me"" bit) and arguably are less so. Furthermore your statement  is false. Not even Michaels or Lindzen would argue that this forcing will not cause warming. Their arguments (of late) have been that it's uncertain that anthropogenic forcing is causing the majority of the warming. (Michaels has also argued that the increase in forcing will stop once we run out of fossil fuels.)  |  

 Huh? How many GCM runs have you personally made? How much GCM code of yours is currently running? In how many countries? How much do you know about the flux corrections and celestial mechanics in the models? Do you know Manabe personally? Care to tell me what you know about Dick Lindzen's private life and personal tastes? How many times have you had breakfast at Keeling's house? How many times have you been interviewed by the New York Times on this issue? How many times have you interviewed by  Reuters and the AP on this topic? How well do you know Broecker and his work? How many publications in the Royal Society journals and in Nature and Science do you have on this issue? Have anything in Phil Trans on this do you? How about publication on Milankovitch comparisons and Dobson measurements? Do you know Sherry personally? I do not care if you are Hansen himself. I will put my record up against anyone else's, including yours. But it is unfair to engage in combat with an unarmed opponent.  

 Your attitude is exactly why I will respectfully decline to bother to try to improve these kinds of articles in the presence of people such as yourself. Have at it, since you are such a great expert. I am so impressed by what I have seen from you already. Enjoy yourself and I hope you feel good about driving out any expertise on this topic that might exist around this project.  

 :Now Filll, we all know that Ben is a genius.  Tut, tut.    

 Yes my mistake. That is why I will let him edit the Global Change articles to his heart's content. I am sure he has way more background than I do and more peer-reviewed publications in the area. How silly of me.  

 I just want to make sure that he knows that not all of us buy his silly linguistic arguments, or the political correctness arguments on that talk page.  

 : I have run GCMs, and they do contain my code. Your statement tht CO2 might cause cooling is wrong. Your claims of expertise in this area are, as far as I can see, not backed up by any evidence; either in terms of links to any external evidence of your competence, or any sign that you understand whats going on. Your response to BH is shameful   
 
 Shameful huh? And Broecker and company are full of nonsense? Ah I see. And no runs ever show cooling under any conditions? Over any time scales then?  Well go ahead if you are such an expert then. I will not bother with such articles with experts such as yourself involved.   

 :That's OK, William, your response is uncivil. (Bad, remember).  BTW, excess CO2 may possibly be symptomatic rather than causative, and let's be honest: the science for global warming is a bit weaker than it should be.  Yes, this is your pet area, I know that, but climatologists don't agree on the evidence and computer programs are only as good as the data you feed them. If you're going to disagree, try to be civil about it.    

 :: I can't take your response seriously Jim. If you really consider my response incivil, I suggest you take it up in the appropriate place. You won't, because you know you'll get laughed at. And no, Co2 isn't symptomatic, for reasons that have been pointed out endlessly   

 This is why I do not edit such articles. There is no point. I wil