I think the misunderstanding is based on the use of words that are already &#x27;loaded&#x27; with meaning, as sago pointed out quite well in another comment.<p>The point is that those experiences are real and have always been a part of the human condition. There is nothing supernatural about this, nothing bending the realms of physics.<p>It&#x27;s all about psychology and how things &#x27;feel&#x27;, how consciousness works and how it goes beyond the single individual in a group setting.<p>All that mystical language imho is due to a lack of better words.