Agreed.  As an engineer, I can also claim that if I say &quot;we can deliver that March 15th&quot;, then I get a argument about why can&#x27;t it go out with the Feb 28th release and why is it going to take 30 days to do something simple and why ... all because marketing people can&#x27;t understand delivery cycles.<p>So, let&#x27;s just not have that type of conversation at all.