Sure but thats not the point I was trying to make.<p>I am less interested in the harshness of the crimes than in the defintion of the crimes. This to me is much more important.<p>Where the actual sentencing becomes important (and potentially problematic) is when you are defining too much as a crime as it forces you to go even harder on other on harder crimes.<p>The feeling of justice isn&#x27;t an absolute system it&#x27;s a highly relative one with some upper and lower bounds. There are plenty of examples of female victims of violent men who feel vindicated by being able to tell the violator what he did to them or to understand why he did it. Just as an example of a punishment which is less deterministic in outcome than many of the rules we see in the US.