Hmm, I think there are actually zero or very few examples of populations given permanent welfare where something bad happened. In fact, the exact opposite. I really feel bad for the people in permanent welfare in Sweden where health care is free and standards of living are extremely high. Yeah, that&#x27;s terrible.<p>I read a lot of that discussion on meta filter, and it was extremely unconvincing. I empathize with women who marry crappy people who expect them to stay at home and don&#x27;t want to listen to their problems and want them to send birthday cards to their family. But the whole conversation was about a non issue. Basically like the argument any roommates would have about who has to do the dishes. Or who left the toilet seat up. It was complaining about personal things that they really just need to deal with themselves. And maybe they need help learning to do that, but &quot;emotional work&quot; isn&#x27;t a thing. It isn&#x27;t, it shouldn&#x27;t be compensated, it doesn&#x27;t exist. These aren&#x27;t big societal dilemmas. Women aren&#x27;t perfectly equal now but it is perfectly acceptable in most of the western world for women to get real jobs.<p>Or maybe it would help to hear an example (any example, you still haven&#x27;t given one). What is one hard choice a woman might have to make to escape the pain of being poor? The hard choice not to have children? How is that a hard choice and how could it possibly go away in any imaginable future without the reality of biology being worked around with external wombs and robotic child care? And what, please tell me, could that have to do with a basic income?