I had no idea that Dahl and Nygaard ever visited you at PARC, that&#x27;s fascinating. Growing up in Norway and learning programming in school, Simula was revered as a proud if distant national accomplishment, in an field where there weren&#x27;t much else to be proud of (though this was also around the time when Norsk Data [1] collapsed, and people weren&#x27;t really talking about how innovative they had been). I wish I had learned about Smalltalk back then; I didn&#x27;t really look closely at it until I learned Objective-C.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Norsk_Data" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Norsk_Data</a>