well, that was mostly depressing, but i found the part about mudge and the UL-like initiative encouraging:<p>&quot;Peiter “Mudge” Zatko is a member of the high-profile L0pht hacker group who testified before Congress in 1998, and since he&#x27;s gone on to head cybersecurity research at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) before joining Google in 2013. In June, Zatko announced he was leaving the search giant to form a cybersecurity NGO modelled on Underwriters Laboratories.&quot;<p>and above that, a section about a similar &quot;consumer reports&quot; style rating organization.  that was also the first time i&#x27;d heard of the group i am the cavalry, which seems like a cool idea (in principle, at least, without really knowing much about the actual group).<p>and i understand this objection to that sort of approach:<p>&quot;It’s not the same quality problem... UL is about accidental failures in electronics. CyberUL would be about intentional attacks against software. These are unrelated issues. Stopping accidental failures is a solved problem in many fields. Stopping attacks is something nobody has solved in any field.  In other words, the UL model of accidents is totally unrelated to the cyber problem of attacks.&quot;<p>it is a very different problem in a lot of ways, but that doesn&#x27;t mean that an approach similar in spirit or presentation is doomed to failure.  and i think it does fit into the broad category of messy consumer information problems that are hard to solve with specific detailed regulation.