&gt; So what are the numbers, for immigrants and Germans?<p>I don&#x27;t know of any recent study, as I told you?<p>&gt; Eyeballing the numbers, this seems unlikely. As far as I know, tens to hundreds of people were not struck by lightning in Cologne<p>But you need to amortize the numbers over time and the population of the country. The biggest problem in Cologne was that the police got caught flatfooted, something that&#x27;s unlikely to happen again (German police normally have plenty of experience of dealing with nasty crowds, see the hooligan problem). 9&#x2F;11 was also a horrible event, too, but there&#x27;s pretty much zero chance that any terrorist will ever again be able to fly a passenger plane into a building, so the statistical risk of experiencing that when boarding a plane is essentially nil (and was extremely low even beforehand).<p>&gt; So on the one hand, we&#x27;ve got left wing types denying reality as you do above<p>First of all, I&#x27;d be careful with categorizing me as a &quot;left wing type&quot; (except by US standards, but David Cameron would probably count as a &quot;left wing type&quot; there now). In this area, my stance probably comes close to classical liberalism, which is traditionally considered a centrist position (plus, my overall positive view of law enforcement tends to not win me many friends on the far left). More importantly, I like to base my judgement on facts, not anecdotal media reports.<p>Second, I&#x27;m the one who has cited actual statistics that at least so far seem to disprove your thesis that Muslims seem to be disproportionately prone to crime and to which you haven&#x27;t offered a counterargument (remember that a single counterexample disproves a universal thesis). Conversely, you seem to base your claims solely on anecdotal evidence (the plural of which, I remind you, is not data).<p>Note that I haven&#x27;t disagreed that immigration will likely negatively affect the overall crime rate in a measurable way (if only because of the low SES of these immigrants; other factors may come into play, too, but that would be pure conjecture at this point). I have also pointed out that it is likely to cause social problems in general because of the known difficulties with integrating a large foreign population with limited resources across a language and culture barrier with (often) considerable skill gaps.<p>&gt; Unless left wing types can compromise on ideology and actually acknowledge reality (Muslims raping women is a vastly larger problem than lighting strikes), people will turn to the racist right for solutions.<p>I did not make a statistical comparison between Muslims raping women and lightning strikes; I referred specifically to the events in Cologne, which do not appear to have had a religious motivation or cause.