we had a thread just yesterday <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10867791" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10867791</a> and also last month <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10740748" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10740748</a>