The other thing is getting to BART - if you live in the Mission or within a handful of blocks of Market St; and your destination is in downtown Oakland or on the west side... you&#x27;re fine. But if not, you need to coordinate your trip between BART and two different bus networks on either side of your train trip (or shell out for a car service &#x2F; cab).<p>Not only are train lines between Manhattan and Brooklyn much more plentiful, they fan out to a much larger collection of destinations on either end. It can be a one-system trip, which makes a big difference.<p>BART isn&#x27;t bad by any means, and SFMTA&#x2F;AC Transit do a decent job, too. I&#x27;ve lived in Miami and around Tampa, two other large cities which do an almost immeasurably worse job with transit. But BART is still a very commuter-centric network for getting commuters from suburbs to downtowns, and isn&#x27;t a substitute for a true local subway network. Thats where the stigma comes from, in my opinion.