&gt; What evidence (if any) would cause you to believe it to be true?<p>I said: any strong evidence that no human action could improve the poor&#x27;s fortunes.<p>I doubt such evidence could be found, though. First, equality has improved <i>a lot</i> due to human action, so the claim needs to be &quot;but where we are now is as good as it gets&quot;, which sounds suspiciously convenient (especially as the people making that claim believe that almost everything else can be greatly improved, and their claim is usually based on no study at all of human society, so not understanding how change has been achieved so far makes the claim that we can&#x27;t take it further even more suspect). Second, we are now able to stay underwater or in space, and to fly over oceans -- things we are genetically less inclined to do -- so I seriously doubt human ingenuity stops when it comes to equality. The question is how far <i>should</i> we work towards equality, but that is a question of values, again.<p>&gt; The cause matters because it affects potential solutions.<p>Of course, but we&#x27;re not arguing about solutions but about whether solutions need to be sought at all.<p>&gt; Asift and myself would oppose changing this, since the only solutions are violent and we both seem to prefer low violence to high mobility. If one doesn&#x27;t oppose violence, what violent solutions to this hypothetical Jewish problem are acceptable?<p>I, too, would oppose a violent solution, and not only for egotistical reasons, but your example is a non-sequitur. In order for this problem to be a problem at all, you&#x27;ll need to show that it is in fact a major cause for lowered mobility. Second, I don&#x27;t see what violence has to do with it. Your entire argument sounds like, &quot;I need to get to the top floor of that building, but as someone opposed to violence I wouldn&#x27;t kill everyone in the street and climb the nice incline of the pile of bodies to get to the top; how does one who isn&#x27;t categorically opposed to violence suggest to get up there?&quot; Why, she might just take the elevator.<p>In other words, why would you even think that the only solution to inequality is violence?