Great, I have set a reminder to investigate bloat in Phoenix on December 21, 2025, and hold you accountable per this message :P<p>Seriously, I&#x27;m not worried about Phoenix, but then I don&#x27;t mind the bloat in Rails, since it is modular (as is Phoenix). I would be sad though if Phoenix went explicitly away from Rails in the direction of Nodejs (composing apps with lots of smaller independent libraries, requiring more configuration) because &quot;Rails is bloated, bloat is bad&quot;.<p>And to grandparent `laut, thanks for provoking this discussion! :)