&gt; By very definition most people go to universities or institutions that &quot;don&#x27;t matter&quot; in your eyes.<p>Most of the so called &quot;universities&quot; are nothing but a cargo cult education. They&#x27;re only damaging their students. This insanity must stop.<p>&gt; You can&#x27;t rule out the majority of the population in a discussion about the nature of higher education just because it doesn&#x27;t fit your narrative about what college should be.<p>I can. If the majority is a counterfeit product it can be simply ignored. Only the genuine education matters.<p>&gt; trying hard because they are deeply passionate about learning is absolutely ridiculous<p>They&#x27;re 20 years old. Of course only a minority is <i>passionate</i> about learning. But at least there is a majority who consciously understand the reason they&#x27;re doing it (and no, the reason is not a degree).<p>&gt;  but in the US employers want to see proof<p>I thought we&#x27;re not discussing Mordor in this thread. Mordor experience is irrelevant.<p>&gt; Putting someone through a 4 year arbitrary filter is a ridiculous practice which should stop<p>Invent a better filter then.<p>&gt; Making someone rack up 80-120K in additional student debt<p>Once again, we&#x27;re not discussing Mordor here.