Well, you can move your hand, right? So consciousness can affect matter. And you can see stuff, so matter can affect consciousness as well. It&#x27;s not a great leap to say that consciousness is a program running on a computer made of matter, rather than something mystical high and above. Also we can knock out parts of the brain and affect the corresponding parts of consciousness, so the conclusion is kinda obvious.<p>Some people try to rescue dualism by saying the brain is a kind of radio talking to an outside consciousness, but we were never able to detect the signals, so I wouldn&#x27;t trust that theory too much.