<i>but they are not innovative</i><p>They&#x27;ve had a seperate research department for over 20 years or so, and if memory serves me well quite some innovative things came (and still come) out of there. So I think <i>they</i> is too general in your phrase - there is innovation (also look at recent Surface line etc) but you&#x27;re right in saying that it doesn&#x27;t always come out and doesn&#x27;t make it to the market, probably because the <i>they</i> you mean is <i>some parts of management</i> which sees money flowing in and is like &#x27;hey, cashcows enough, no need to think about the future&#x27;. Or something like that. And lately this turned around again.