these discussions always devolve into a bunch of numbers by diet pedants who seemingly have no passion for cuisine.<p>i&#x27;m sorry but all the numbers in the world will not make me give up a nice fatty spiced chicken shawarma, or a juicy sausage and kraut, or a nice ribeye steak with a glass of pinot noir.  i&#x27;d rather be dead and in the ground.<p>on the other hand, i&#x27;m fine skipping the bread and eating just a couple of fries.