post increment&#x2F;decrement is definately worth removing imo.<p>so few people understand its behaviour and it enables some really revolting and difficult to read things. i think a lot of people learned this in the 80s, 90s and 00s even... its not a new revelation.<p>the pre-increment&#x2F;decrement though? i think having these is important. there are plenty of contexts away from numbers where they make sense (things can be ordered and not have a concept of addition)