Didn&#x27;t know about those lol... We already covered that the complex functionality and everything but the kitchen sink is reason for much of the bloat. With Cadence, it could be that plus legacy and&#x2F;or coders that aren&#x27;t good enough (or deadlines). Who knows.<p>I just think they could be several times smaller if they only included necessary functionality and added extra&#x27;s repo-style depending on one&#x27;s device, use-case, and so on. Btw, is Lisp used for extensions over there or the whole application? And which LISP?