&gt; Still rock hard though.<p>I mean, Octopod Transmuter is not... easy... but all the long major roguelikes (ADOM, Nethack, DCSS, ToME) are basically games of patience.  They&#x27;re repeatably doable if you learn all the rules and are careful.  Speedruns are harder, of course.<p>Whereas even if you&#x27;re completely spoiled and have achieved a perfect score in the past, Brogue is still difficult because every decision matters and you can&#x27;t take your time.  If you don&#x27;t plan the most efficient way to explore each level then you starve, and if you miss or waste a key resource then you die because you aren&#x27;t powerful enough.  I still love Crawl but I strongly second the recommendation to give Brogue a whirl.