No. You&#x27;ve misread me. I <i>do not</i> like the IETF, and feel like even though there are lots of well-intentioned and highly-competent engineers working within it, its process and current overall membership produces results that are sometimes indistinguishable from &quot;immature hobbyists&quot;.<p>Specifically, I think the argument that the success of the modern Internet is evidence that the IETF is &quot;mature&quot; is dubious and worth debating.<p>(Hey: just to be totally clear: I do not think the string &quot;PRISM&quot; is evidence of immaturity.)