There is a bunch of overlap between those groups (though too many sysadmins indeed don&#x27;t grasp the threats that face them, or don&#x27;t take them seriously).<p>I&#x27;m saying this as a sysadmin and crypto nerd who really wishes we had a secure messaging system that achieved both of Moxie&#x27;s stated goals. Unfortunately, I don&#x27;t want to use it in its current state for largely the same reasons as laid out by &#x27;darklajid.<p>Both goals are important and feed into each other. If we don&#x27;t have #2, it&#x27;s easy for NSA and friends to backdoor the software or services for #1, for example like they did with their trusting-trust trojaned XCode.<p>Does anyone really believe these agencies will not react as we deploy &quot;mass-surveillance-proof&quot; software? What will be their next move to collect the data that they want? All of these attacks that people now write off as &quot;crypto-nerd paranoia&quot; will just become the new normal.