Aha! I was wondering about your &quot;20-30&quot; hours number, then I found this[1]: &quot;Know firstly that Moria is a much longer game than NetHack. This is a consequence of the vastness of Moria&#x27;s dungeon. It may take weeks and months to play an Moria character from the beginning to the triumph over the Balrog (or to a late but permanent death).&quot;<p>I played quite a few hours of Moria (never killing the Balrog, but I never really was that motivated to &quot;win&quot; - I generally enjoyed finding new items, and discovering&#x2F;learning &quot;all&quot; the spells. This in the older versions that included fun things like &quot;Genocide&quot;). I&#x27;ve also played a bit of the various Angbands, but I keep feeling that the stuff they add&#x2F;change tend to make for an inferior game.<p>I really thought NH and Moria were more similar -- I think now that my initial dislike for NH was based on this misconception (NH is indeed a poor Moria, but it might be a great game if not viewed as a &quot;version&quot; of Moria).<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nethack.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Moria#Gameplay" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nethack.wikia.com&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Moria#Gameplay</a>