I see your point and I think you and me may have different ideas of what growth means. To my credit, wrt &quot;growth&quot; I was referring to GP&#x27;s comment &quot;Endless growth is impossible&quot; which doesn&#x27;t mean GDP inherently, and the statement is true as far as &quot;if a system is growing, it needs growing resources to support itself.&quot;<p>Sure, if we convert to solar and maintain our population, then we can sustain ourselves until the sun explodes, but that is not <i>growth</i> no matter what our GDP says.<p>My point is that if GDP, as a measure, somehow indicates that economic growth can be sustained indefinitely (barring acts of God of course) then it is flawed.