Very interesting series of threads. I&#x27;m sad to see this happen. I switched to Debian from RH as my personal choice back at Potato and have used the live build a couple times that were a real help. Some of the thoughts I had while reading this were &#x27;Wow, I never want to get involved with anything to do with package maintaining&#x27; and &#x27;It seems like Ubuntu is pretty much just running the whole show now&#x27;. Maybe that&#x27;s an oversimplification but I really don&#x27;t like the entire direction that Ubuntu is going in which is why I stopped using it as my default desktop OS. Now I kind of feel like I don&#x27;t have a &#x27;home base&#x27; distro anymore. Sigh.