junto said:<p>&gt; We could try and close all the borders... or... kick all immigrants out of our countries<p>mbrock said:<p>&gt; Draconian measures... historically unsuccessful... [establishing those measures] also grievously violates the core principles of an open and liberal society... Vehemently disagreeing with your opinion is a crucial necessity for anyone who stands for democracy and liberty.<p>Dolores12 said:<p>&gt; It is actually succesful in Israel.<p>Mbrock, I beg you to engage the argument. This is the debate we should be having. There can&#x27;t be double standards. Either closing borders and kicking out immigrants &quot;grievously violates  the principles of democracy and freedom&quot; [1] or they don&#x27;t. Which is it?<p>[1] In which case the U.S. supports a State that &quot;grievously violates the principles of democracy and freedom&quot; and we should stop supporting them immediately.