&gt; HN is still a sane place but what % of the population does that really represent?<p>I think that the level of HN is rare online but offline things are much better (at least, in my experience).<p>&gt; And it&#x27;s not like you wouldn&#x27;t ever get downvoted here. There&#x27;s a lot of people who believe in the direct &quot;more immigrants = more terrorists&quot; idiocy.<p>So talk to them and stand your ground. Sure there will always be jerks but don&#x27;t let that stop you from trying and who cares about the occasional downvote.<p>&gt; Let it fucking end...<p>Yes, please. But I fear that won&#x27;t happen in my lifetime, maybe in yours depending on your age. This took decades to fuck up it will take decades to restore and a completely different approach.