Look for the post on the mailing list beginning with &quot;I think that one&#x27;s called &quot;Perl&quot;. &quot; That&#x27;s where the real meat of his argument seems to be.<p>&gt; Unfortunately I&#x27;ve conflated saying Yes to features vs. saying yes to <i>users</i>. Saying yes to features is clearly a way to get a kitchen sink a la C++ or Perl.<p>I didn&#x27;t see any instances of him insulting people, though he was hostile in the same way he accused the clojure community of being hostile. But the points he made seemed sound to me. Saying &quot;no&quot; to users can seem hostile to the person you&#x27;re saying no to. You need users, or you die. So say yes and survive.