Seeing Common Lisp fans arguing against Clojure fans is funny since your market share combined is insignificant compared with the mainstream choices. You should learn from each other and grow that pie together.<p>I also don&#x27;t agree with you. Intuitively Lisp might be a secret weapon for startups, but not for open source where the communities of the mainstream choices are more productive, simply because of popularity. Java is a huge ecosystem of working and mature solutions. If you don&#x27;t depend on Java, you depend on C. And for the kind of problems Lisp is suited for, I&#x27;d rather take Java. You&#x27;re also missing the point on JavaScript. Say what you will about the quality of npm packages, but ClojureScript can reach people that your favorite CLisp cannot, due to the browser.<p>Also you can&#x27;t seriously recommend ABCL.