<i>And yes, currently humans are way better than computers in the general case. I&#x27;m not disputing that.</i><p>ROFL, no, with absolutely no qualification, you flat out said:<p><i>We really need to remember that humans are atrocious at driving on average, and doing better than them is a pretty low bar.</i><p>I guess what you&#x27;re saying is that computers are so bad, they still can&#x27;t get over that &quot;pretty low bar&quot;?<p>If so, I suppose I agree, though I think you&#x27;re dramatically underestimating just how capable human beings are.<p><i>so simply looking at some scenario where humans do better doesn&#x27;t tell us anything.</i><p>Which is really strange, because that&#x27;s <i>exactly</i> what everyone does when talking about autonomous vehicles.  The discussion always surrounds current trials, where vehicles are allowed to operate in cherrypicked, near-ideal conditions: perfect, southern California climate, with minimal rain, zero snow, and perfect visibility.<p>So I agree, let&#x27;s stop looking at just some isolated scenario.  Let&#x27;s focus on the general case... where computers, unfortunately, currently fail, and will likely continue to do so for a very long time (dealing with highly variable conditions likely requires major infrastructure changes to actively support autonomous vehicles, and that ain&#x27;t happening any time soon).