Mary Lou Jepsen gave a talk about her ideas at the Media Lab 30th anniversary:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.media.mit.edu&#x2F;video&#x2F;view&#x2F;ml30-2015-10-30-03" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.media.mit.edu&#x2F;video&#x2F;view&#x2F;ml30-2015-10-30-03</a><p>Her talk starts at about 45:20.