Kayia (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kayia.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kayia.org</a>, my project) is also approaching programming from a very different angle.  I would like to say that, since a large percentage of us know that programming is broken, we are supportive, inclusive and embrace new ideas.  We don&#x27;t.<p>This industry has become a branch of the finance industry.  So instead of programming being driven by math (e.g. category theory, abelian groups), it&#x27;s driven by the market (e.g. time-to-market, what works now).<p>HARC is a push back the other way, giving space to people who are thinking about it in the right way, and I applaud that.  But we&#x27;re still missing the &#x27;inclusive&#x27; piece of it; until we can talk to each other and listen to each other, we&#x27;ll remain frustrated.