From what I&#x27;ve heard the more mature startups with interesting end up moving to Shangdi for cheaper office space. That kinda leaves the has-beens and never-will-be&#x27;s behind, but I guess that&#x27;s to be expected. Even the founder of the place has started another venture a bit down the street.<p>We met some interesting people during their anniversary party, but then we met an equal share of idiots, so my guess it&#x27;s 50&#x2F;50  right now. The was this one guy drilling us on the market for phone cases in the US&#x2F;Europe (f..k if we know, you&#x27;re trying to compete with local retailers or something?), who didn&#x27;t understand the concept of stealth mode, for example.<p>Not to say that there aren&#x27;t promising founders out there, they just don&#x27;t go to the events. Probably better that way, since the C2C attitude isn&#x27;t just restricted to copying from abroad.