Some history.  I was at Sun and Bob Hagmann was teaching at Stanford and got me to be a TA there.  He retired and Stanford asked me if I would teach CS240B so I did.  Jeff Bonwick was student and I recognized his ability and recruited him to Sun.  He said &quot;I have no experience programming in C&quot; and I said &quot;You are smart.  I can teach you C, I can&#x27;t teach you smart&quot;.<p>I also told him that he&#x27;d go way farther at Sun than I did and I was right, I think he made DE, I didn&#x27;t.  He played the game better.  Smart guy.  Him, Bryan, Bill Moore, those guys were the new Sun in my mind.