That&#x27;s fair, I wasn&#x27;t in NL long enough to really get a sense for distance. Took the train to Amsterdam once.<p>(we&#x27;re both making some edits)<p>I think the higher density is part of why Europe seems to have more nice cities though. I actually kind of joked about that while I was there, that the publicly owned land in Michigan is roughly the size of the Netherlands (the national and state forests).<p>With high density, if you &quot;need&quot; cityscape you can just build a rail to where it makes sense to have the city.