english: And it turned out that Joel and I were both bothered by the same thing, which was how so much of the debate was still focused on the science and how complete it was or wasn't, which, to both of us, seems somewhat intentionally off point.
non_english: І як з'ясувалось, і мене, і Джоеля турбувало одне й те саме питання, наскільки сильно дебати були зациклені на наукових питаннях, наскільки наука є достатньою для розв'язання проблеми, що для нас обох означало навмисний відхід від суті.