english: And so you have to understand that I have a bachelor's and a master's in social work, and I was getting my Ph.D. in social work, so my entire academic career was surrounded by people who kind of believed in the "life's messy, love it."
non_english: In morate razumeti, da imam diplomo iz socialnega dela, magisterij iz socialnega dela, in delala sem doktorat iz socialnega dela. Torej, moja celotna akademska kariera je bila obkrožena z ljudmi, ki so na nek način verjeli v "življenje je neurejeno, ljubi ga."