english: They didn't talk about vulnerability being comfortable, nor did they really talk about it being excruciating -- as I had heard it earlier in the shame interviewing.
non_english: Nehovorili o zraniteľnosti ako o príjemnej veci, ani ako o utrpení, ktoré zaznievalo v predošlých rozhovoroch o hanbe. Hovorili o nej, že je potrebná.