english: (Laughter) Yeah, people used to say, "Norman's OK, but if you followed what he said, everything would be usable but it would be ugly."
non_english: (Smiech) Uhm, ľudia vravievali, viete, Norman je OK, ale ak by bolo všetko podľa neho, všetko by bolo použiteľné, ale bolo by to škaredé.