english: But I think what we're seeing now, increasingly, is a divide in all the Western democracies between the people who want to stop at nation, the people who are more parochial -- and I don't mean that in a bad way -- people who have much more of a sense of being rooted, they care about their town, their community and their nation.
non_english: Maar wat we nu steeds meer zien is een kloof in alle Westerse democratieën tussen de mensen die willen stoppen bij de natie, de meer kleinsteedse mensen -- en dat bedoel ik niet negatief -- mensen die meer binding hebben met hun eigen plek, ze geven om hun stad, hun gemeenschap en hun land.