english: That means, we can imagine -- I don't say it was fantastic, but in the '80s, there was not too much war, like that, it was -- we can imagine that the civilization can become civilized.
non_english: Ook al was het niet helemaal fantastisch, maar in de jaren 80 was er weinig oorlog. Zo kunnen we ons voorstellen, dat de beschaving beschaafd kan worden.