english: And this graph from Ken Caldeira. It's important to say came, because Ken -- at a meeting that I believe Marty Hoffart was also at in the mid-'90s -- Ken and I stood up at the back of the meeting and said, "Geo-engineering won't work."
non_english: Deze grafiek was van Ken Caldera. Het is van belang om 'was' te zeggen Ken was op een bijeenkomst in de jaren 90,  ook Marty Hoffart nam deel -- Ken en ik verkondigden achter in de zaal: "Geo-engineering werkt niet."