english: And I think they were expecting -- they'd worked with lots of consultants before -- I think they were expecting some kind of hideous org chart with thousands of bubbles and systemic this, that and the other, and all kinds of mappy stuff.
non_english: Ze hadden eerder met consultants gewerkt, en ik denk dat ze zo'n vreselijke org-kaart verwachtten met duizenden balonnetjes en systematisch ge-heen-en-weer, allemaal in kaart gebracht.