english: The company did not succeed, and he couldn't pay the money back, and I was the guarantor of the note. So, I had a $100,000 debt, and I noticed that the Kramer prize for human-powered flight, which had then been around for -- (Laughter) -- 17 years at the time, was 50,000 pounds, which, at the exchange rate, was just about 100,000 dollars.
non_english: Het bedrijf faalde  en hij kon het geld niet terugbetalen. Ik had garant gestaan,  dus had ik toen 100.000 dollar schuld. Toen zag ik dat de 'Kramer-prijs'  voor mankracht aangedreven vlucht, die toen al -- (Gelach) -- 17 jaar bestond, 50.000 pond bedroeg. Met de toenmalige wisselkoers,  was dat net 100.000 dollar.