english: And without getting into all of the details, it is said to have collapsed — I'm using my words very carefully — it's said to have collapsed in January of '09, which is just coming up to nearly four years.
non_english: Zonder in details te treden, er wordt geclaimd dat het in elkaar stortte -- ik kies mijn woorden erg zorgvuldig -- in januari 2009, nu bijna vier jaar geleden.