english: And also, at the same time I was frustrated, because I would go to all these art and design schools everywhere, and there were these, like, "the computer lab," you know, and this is, like, in the late 1990s, and this is in Basel, a great graphic design school.
non_english: Tegelijkertijd was ik gefrustreerd, want ik ging overal naar kunst- en designscholen en daar hadden ze dan "het computerlab", weet je, dit is late jaren 90, in Basel, op een fantastische school voor grafisch ontwerp.