anchor: yeah i do too i think i think a lot of people a lot more people volunteer than than uh than we than get credit for it as you know like in hospitals and uh and the shelters and stuff like that and even if it is a couple times a year like at the holidays i mean at least they're getting out and doing it and  you know perhaps helping and helping out i think that's good and
positive: I think that the number of people who volunteer for things is underestimated.
negative: There are even less people volunteering than you would've guessed even at your worst.