anchor: yeah well even if it's life like you say we end up spending sixty thousand dollars a year to keep some you know joker in there for life we could spend that money you know for starving children that are starving or twelve million other things would be more useful than that
positive: We could spend the money to feed starving children or a million other useful things instead of spending it on life imprisonment.
negative: Even if it's life imprisonment, we should be willing to spend sixty thousand dollars a year instead of helping feed starving children.