Explain this same concept, but do so in a way that a 5th grader can understand.

Melissa Murray: Let’s start with the elephant in the room: the mifepristone rulings. A judge in the Amarillo division of the northern district of Texas has issued a decision that stays the FDA’s approval of mifepristone. Another competing ruling in the western district of Washington requires the FDA to continue making mifepristone available to those in a number of blue states which have filed a challenge of their own to maintain mifepristone access. We have governors in states like California and Massachusetts stockpiling both mifepristone and misoprostol. Is it chaotic by design?

Jessica Valenti: Yes. The point is to sow so much uncertainty that even in places where abortion is legal, people don’t know if they can get the care they are legally entitled to. Doctors will be afraid. Pharmacists will be afraid. And because this is all changing so quickly, that feeds into that chaos too.

Melissa Murray: In June 2022, the Supreme Court issued its much-anticipated decision in Dobbs, which upheld by a 6-3 vote a Mississippi law that banned abortion at just 15 weeks—and by a 5-4 vote, overruled both Casey and Roe. The Court insisted that its decision did no more than return the fraught and vexed question of abortion to the democratic process and to the people, who were rightfully the ones to decide this question. So, is Judge Kacsmaryk “the people”?

Jessica Valenti: We always knew that it was never about state’s rights. It was always about banning abortion in every single state in every possible way.

What has been really frustrating to me in Kacsmaryk’s ruling is this idea that they’re doing something for women’s health, that they’re protecting us. It just adds salt to the wound. It makes me a little more furious than usual because it’s so offensive, so insulting and so obviously false.

Melissa Murray: What Jessica is referring to is the plaintiff, the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine, arguing that mifepristone is unsafe for women despite the FDA’s approval that has been in place for over 20 years. What is this about? Is this a backlash to women’s progress? Is this an effort to put us back into a particular box? I mean the women’s rights movement has been in place since the 1970s. Ruth Bader Ginsburg helped to read women into the Equal Protection Clause. Abortion rights is only part of that. Again, this is the question this symposium asks: Is there more to come, and how will we as women fit into a society that purports to be democratic without necessarily taking into account the voices of women?

Jessica Valenti: I think so much of this is about punishment. I don’t think it is a coincidence that they went after abortion medication specifically. Abortion medication completely changed the way that people were able to get abortion care. You can have an abortion in your home while watching Netflix privately. We took away their ability to publicly shame us at clinics, and that made them angry. They don’t want abortion to be easy and safe and that is part of the big hypocrisy.

Melissa Murray: Punishing women but for what? What are we doing?

Jessica Valenti: Existing. Having our own lives and making our own decisions. And I think with abortion specifically that is very much you controlling your body, the trajectory of your life and of your family.
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isi avadharana ko samajhaayen, lekin ek tarah se aisa karen ki 5 wein greader samaj sake.

melisa mare: aaie kamare main hathi ke saath shuru karen: mefapristone ruling.texas ke uttari jile ke amarilo divijan main ek nyaayadhish ne ek nirnay jari kiya he jo epad kii mefapristone kii manjuuri par he.washington ke pashchimi jile main ek anya pratispardhi faisle ko epad ko kai nile rajyon main un logon ke liye mefapristone uplabdh karaane kii aavashyaktaa he, jinhone mefapristone kii pahunch banaae rakhane ke liye apni khud kii chunauti daayar kii he.hamaare paas california or masachusets jaise rajyon main mefapristone or misoprostole donon kaa stock he.kya yah dizin dwaara arajak he?

jesica vailenti: haan.mudda itani anischitata ko bona he ki yahaan tak ki un sthanon par bhi jahaan garbhpaat kanoonee he, log nahin jaanate ki kya ve us dekhbhaal ko praapt kar sakate hai jo ve kanoonee rup se hakdaar hai.doctor darenge.pharmacist darenge.or kyonki yah sab itani jaldi badal rahaa he, jo us araajaktaa main bhi khilaataa he.

melisa mare: june 2022 main, supreme court ne dobs main apana bahupratikshit nirnay jari kiya, jisane 6-3 vot se mississippi kanoon ko barkaraar rakhaa, jisane sirf 15 saptaah main garbhpaat par pratibandh laga diya-or 5-4 vot se, kasee or donon ko khaarij kar diya.ro.adaalat ne jor dekar kaha ki iske faisle ne loktantric prakriya or logon ko garbhpaat ke bhayaavah or ghinaune prashn ko waapas karne se adhik nahin kiya, jo is sawaal ko tay karne ke liye sahi the.to, kya nyaayadhish kacsmaryk "da pipal" he?

jesica vailenti: ham hameshaa se jaanate the ki yah rajya ke adhikaron ke bare main kabhi nahin tha.yah hameshaa har sambhav tareeke se har ek rajya main garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane ke bare main tha.

kasmarik ke faisle main vastav main mere liye jo niraashaa hui he, vah yah vichaar he ki ve mahilaon ke swasthya ke liye kuch kar rahe hai, ki ve hamaari raksha kar rahe hai.yah sirf ghaav main namak jodta he.yah mujhe saamaanya se thodaa adhik ugr banaata he kyonki yah bahut aakraamak he, isliye apmanjanak or itnaa spasht rup se galat he.

melisa mare: jo jesica kaa ullekh kar rahi he vah vaadi he, hippocratic medicine ke liye gathbandhan, yah tark dete hue ki mefapristone mahilaon ke liye asurakshit he, jo epad kii manjuuri ke baavjood 20 varshon se adhik samay se he.iske bare main kya he?kya yah mahilaon kii pragati ke liye ek baikalash he?kya yah hamen ek vishesh box main waapas laane kaa prayaas he?meraa matlab he ki 1970 ke dashak se mahilaon ke adhikaar andolan ho chuke hai.routh badar ginsburg ne mahilaon ko samaan suraksha khand main padhane main madad kii.garbhpaat kaa adhikaar keval usee kaa hissaa he.phir, yah vah prashn he jo yah sangoshtee puuchhati he: kya aane ke liye or adhik he, or ham mahilaon ke rup main ek aise samaaj main kaise feet honge jo aavashyak rup se mahilaon kii awaz ko dhyaan main rakhte hue loktantric hone kaa uddeshy rakhte hai?

jesica vailenti: mujhe lagata he ki isamen se bahut kuch sajaa ke bare main he.mujhe nahin lagata ki yah ek sanyog he ki ve vishesh rup se garbhpaat kii dawa ke baad chale gaye.garbhpaat kii dawa ne puri tarah se us tarah se badal diya jisase log garbhpaat kii dekhbhaal karne main sakasham the.netflix ko nijee taur par dekhte hue aap apane ghar main garbhpaat kar sakate hai.hamane clinicon main hamen saarvajanik rup se shame karne kii unki kshamta ko chin liya, or isse unhen gussa aa gaya.ve nahin chaahate ki garbhpaat aasaan or surakshit ho or yah bade paakhand kaa hissaa he.

melisa mare: mahilaon ko dandit karnaa lekin kiske liye?ham kya kar rahe hai?

jesica vailenti: maujuuda.hamaare apane jivan kaa hona or apane nirnay lenaa.or mujhe lagata he ki garbhpaat ke saath vishesh rup se yah bahut adhik he ki aap apane sharir ko niyantrit kar rahe hai, aapke jivan ke prakshepvakr or aapke parivaar ke.
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melisa mare or jesica vailenti kuch haalia faislon or badlaavon ke bare main baat kar rahe hai, jo mefapristone naamak dawa or garbhpaat kii uplabdhta ke bare main hai.ve desh ke vibhinn hisson main nyaayadhishon se alag -alag faislon kaa ullekh karte hai, jo is bare main bhram or anischitata paidaa kar rahe hai ki kya logon ko unki dekhbhaal kii aavashyaktaa he yaa nahin.yah doctoron or pharmacyston ko bhi chintit kar rahaa he.

ve 2022 main supreme court dwaara ek faisle kaa bhi ullekh karte hai, jisane mississippi main ek kanoon ko keval 15 saptaah ke baad garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane kii anumati di or garbhpaat ke adhikaron kii raksha ke pichley nirnyon ko khaarij kar diya.adaalat ne kaha ki yah tay karne ke liye logon ko satta waapas de rahaa tha.haalanki, jesica kaa maananaa he ki asli lakshya hameshaa har rajya main garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane ke liye rahaa he.

ve hippocratic medicine ke liye elliance naamak ek samooh par charchaa karte hai jo tark detaa he ki mefapristone mahilaon ke liye asurakshit he, bhale hi ise epad (khaadya or aushadhi prashasan) dwaara lambey samay tak anumodith kiya gaya ho.ve sawaal karte hai ki kya yah mahilaon kii pragati ke khilaaf ek baikalash he or hamaari pasand ko niyantrit karne or simit karne kaa prayaas he.

jesica kaa maananaa he ki iskaa ek bada hissaa mahilaon ko keval maujuuda or apane nirnay lene ke liye dandit karne ke bare main he.garbhpaat kii dawa ne mahilaon ke liye garbhpaat karnaa aasaan or adhik nijee bana diya he, or kuch log aisa nahin chaahate hai.ve ise mushkil or asurakshit bananaa chaahate hai, jo anuchit or paakhandee he.

kul milakar, ve is bare main mahatvapurn sawaal uthaate hai ki hamaare samaaj main mahilaon kii awaz or adhikaron par kaise vichaar kiya ja rahaa he, or ham ek loktantric samaaj ko kaise nevigate kar sakate hai jo hameshaa mahilaon ke drushtikon ko praathamikta nahin de saktaa he.
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isi avadharana ko samajhaayen, lekin ek tarah se aisa karen ki 5 wein greader samaj sake.

melisa mare: aaie kamare main hathi ke saath shuru karen: mefapristone ruling.texas ke uttari jile ke amarilo divijan main ek nyaayadhish ne ek nirnay jari kiya he jo epad kii mefapristone kii manjuuri par he.washington ke pashchimi jile main ek anya pratispardhi faisle ko epad ko kai nile rajyon main un logon ke liye mefapristone uplabdh karaane kii aavashyaktaa he, jinhone mefapristone kii pahunch banaae rakhane ke liye apni khud kii chunauti daayar kii he.hamaare paas california or masachusets jaise rajyon main mefapristone or misoprostole donon kaa stock he.kya yah dizin dwaara arajak he?

jesica vailenti: haan.mudda itani anischitata ko bona he ki yahaan tak ki un sthanon par bhi jahaan garbhpaat kanoonee he, log nahin jaanate ki kya ve us dekhbhaal ko praapt kar sakate hai jo ve kanoonee rup se hakdaar hai.doctor darenge.pharmacist darenge.or kyonki yah sab itani jaldi badal rahaa he, jo us araajaktaa main bhi khilaataa he.

melisa mare: june 2022 main, supreme court ne dobs main apana bahupratikshit nirnay jari kiya, jisane 6-3 vot se mississippi kanoon ko barkaraar rakhaa, jisane sirf 15 saptaah main garbhpaat par pratibandh laga diya-or 5-4 vot se, kasee or donon ko khaarij kar diya.ro.adaalat ne jor dekar kaha ki iske faisle ne loktantric prakriya or logon ko garbhpaat ke bhayaavah or ghinaune prashn ko waapas karne se adhik nahin kiya, jo is sawaal ko tay karne ke liye sahi the.to, kya nyaayadhish kacsmaryk "da pipal" he?

jesica vailenti: ham hameshaa se jaanate the ki yah rajya ke adhikaron ke bare main kabhi nahin tha.yah hameshaa har sambhav tareeke se har ek rajya main garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane ke bare main tha.

kasmarik ke faisle main vastav main mere liye jo niraashaa hui he, vah yah vichaar he ki ve mahilaon ke swasthya ke liye kuch kar rahe hai, ki ve hamaari raksha kar rahe hai.yah sirf ghaav main namak jodta he.yah mujhe saamaanya se thodaa adhik ugr banaata he kyonki yah bahut aakraamak he, isliye apmanjanak or itnaa spasht rup se galat he.

melisa mare: jo jesica kaa ullekh kar rahi he vah vaadi he, hippocratic medicine ke liye gathbandhan, yah tark dete hue ki mefapristone mahilaon ke liye asurakshit he, jo epad kii manjuuri ke baavjood 20 varshon se adhik samay se he.iske bare main kya he?kya yah mahilaon kii pragati ke liye ek baikalash he?kya yah hamen ek vishesh box main waapas laane kaa prayaas he?meraa matlab he ki 1970 ke dashak se mahilaon ke adhikaar andolan ho chuke hai.routh badar ginsburg ne mahilaon ko samaan suraksha khand main padhane main madad kii.garbhpaat kaa adhikaar keval usee kaa hissaa he.phir, yah vah prashn he jo yah sangoshtee puuchhati he: kya aane ke liye or adhik he, or ham mahilaon ke rup main ek aise samaaj main kaise feet honge jo aavashyak rup se mahilaon kii awaz ko dhyaan main rakhte hue loktantric hone kaa uddeshy rakhte hai?

jesica vailenti: mujhe lagata he ki isamen se bahut kuch sajaa ke bare main he.mujhe nahin lagata ki yah ek sanyog he ki ve vishesh rup se garbhpaat kii dawa ke baad chale gaye.garbhpaat kii dawa ne puri tarah se us tarah se badal diya jisase log garbhpaat kii dekhbhaal karne main sakasham the.netflix ko nijee taur par dekhte hue aap apane ghar main garbhpaat kar sakate hai.hamane clinicon main hamen saarvajanik rup se shame karne kii unki kshamta ko chin liya, or isse unhen gussa aa gaya.ve nahin chaahate ki garbhpaat aasaan or surakshit ho or yah bade paakhand kaa hissaa he.

melisa mare: mahilaon ko dandit karnaa lekin kiske liye?ham kya kar rahe hai?

jesica vailenti: maujuuda.hamaare apane jivan kaa hona or apane nirnay lenaa.or mujhe lagata he ki garbhpaat ke saath vishesh rup se yah bahut adhik he ki aap apane sharir ko niyantrit kar rahe hai, aapke jivan ke prakshepvakr or aapke parivaar ke.</s>
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melisa mare or jesica vailenti kuch haalia faislon or badlaavon ke bare main baat kar rahe hai, jo mefapristone naamak dawa or garbhpaat kii uplabdhta ke bare main hai.ve desh ke vibhinn hisson main nyaayadhishon se alag -alag faislon kaa ullekh karte hai, jo is bare main bhram or anischitata paidaa kar rahe hai ki kya logon ko unki dekhbhaal kii aavashyaktaa he yaa nahin.yah doctoron or pharmacyston ko bhi chintit kar rahaa he.

ve 2022 main supreme court dwaara ek faisle kaa bhi ullekh karte hai, jisane mississippi main ek kanoon ko keval 15 saptaah ke baad garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane kii anumati di or garbhpaat ke adhikaron kii raksha ke pichley nirnyon ko khaarij kar diya.adaalat ne kaha ki yah tay karne ke liye logon ko satta waapas de rahaa tha.haalanki, jesica kaa maananaa he ki asli lakshya hameshaa har rajya main garbhpaat par pratibandh lagane ke liye rahaa he.

ve hippocratic medicine ke liye elliance naamak ek samooh par charchaa karte hai jo tark detaa he ki mefapristone mahilaon ke liye asurakshit he, bhale hi ise epad (khaadya or aushadhi prashasan) dwaara lambey samay tak anumodith kiya gaya ho.ve sawaal karte hai ki kya yah mahilaon kii pragati ke khilaaf ek baikalash he or hamaari pasand ko niyantrit karne or simit karne kaa prayaas he.

jesica kaa maananaa he ki iskaa ek bada hissaa mahilaon ko keval maujuuda or apane nirnay lene ke liye dandit karne ke bare main he.garbhpaat kii dawa ne mahilaon ke liye garbhpaat karnaa aasaan or adhik nijee bana diya he, or kuch log aisa nahin chaahate hai.ve ise mushkil or asurakshit bananaa chaahate hai, jo anuchit or paakhandee he.

kul milakar, ve is bare main mahatvapurn sawaal uthaate hai ki hamaare samaaj main mahilaon kii awaz or adhikaron par kaise vichaar kiya ja rahaa he, or ham ek loktantric samaaj ko kaise nevigate kar sakate hai jo hameshaa mahilaon ke drushtikon ko praathamikta nahin de saktaa he.</s>
