In his journal of the first expedition the elder Vérendrye four times speaks of 'my son the chevalier' without saying which one. All the tribal names are guesses. Most writers think that the brothers reached the Bighorn Mountains, though Doane Robinson thought they only reached the Black Hills. Given the double sighting of mountains it is possible that they saw both the Laramies and the Bighorns. The first Mandan village was north of the river. The elder Vérendrye gave its latitude as 48°12' which is about 10 miles north of any point on the Missouri River. If the reading was not too inaccurate it implies a northern location, possibly a site near modern New Town, North Dakota, as first suggested by Libby in 1916. Vérendrye said the second village was on the river which appeared to flow south and somewhat west, which could be one of several places. Hubert Smith favored a site near present-day Bismarck, North Dakota, because of extensive documentation of Mandan villages in that area and the lack of documentation further north. Smith's view contributed to the closing of the former Verendrye National Monument. The lead plate was found at Pierre, South Dakota, in 1913 and is now in the South Dakota Cultural Heritage Center in Pierre. It is six by eight inches and similar to ones placed in the Ohio Valley. The front has a die-stamped Latin inscription referring to Louis XV, Pierre La Vérendrye and the year 1741. On the back is hastily scratched "Placed by Chevalyet de Lave; [garbled] Louis la Londette, A Miotte; 30 March 1743". Londette and Miotte are probably the two other Frenchmen who are otherwise undocumented. The garbled part was first read as "t b St" for Toussaint, assumed to be the first name of Londette. Hubert Smith read "Lo Jost" for Louis-Joseph. The Dictionary of Canadian Biography has "tblt" for Tremblet or Trembey, part of François' name. The Suicide of Saul  The Suicide of Saul is an oil-on-panel by the Netherlandish Renaissance artist Pieter Bruegel the Elder, painted in 1562. It is in the collection of the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna. An inscription on the painting identifies the subject as the rarely represented scene of the suicide of Saul after his defeat by the Philistines.