In a radio programme entitled "Politics and justice: the Lockerbie trial", which was broadcast on 9 September 2007 by Australia's ABC Radio National, Dr Köchler, Robert Black and Jim Swire expressed their views on the Lockerbie trial and the first appeal, and suggested what should happen next. In the June 2008 edition of the Scottish lawyers' magazine "The Firm", Köchler referred to the 'totalitarian' nature of the ongoing second Lockerbie appeal process saying it "bears the hallmarks of an 'intelligence operation'." Some general statistics: