input: Why did the User Interface disagree with the Industrial Design when discussing their attempts to redesign the conceptual remote control because of the limited budget?
  Project Manager: Okay. Uh first of all I'll start with the costs,
  Marketing: {gap}.
  Project Manager: because that's going to influence our design.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh no.
  Marketing: Oh, {gap}. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: If you {disfmarker} Don't know if you al already had a look or not?
  User Interface: No n I I already did it.
  Industrial Designer: Did you do your questionnaire already?
  Marketing: No.
  User Interface: It's not much. It's just one question.
  Project Manager: Because we have a problem.
  Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Oh. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: If you look closely, you can see.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: It wants {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions. {gap}. {gap}. {vocalsound} At the moment we have fifteen buttons, one L_C_D_ screen, one advanced chip-on-print. We use a uh sensor, that's for the speech. Uh we use kinetic energy. And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour. Okay. What's the first thing we should drop? The special colour of the buttons?
  User Interface: No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look. So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Okay. Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah but everything is.
  Project Manager: Should we switch to a hand dynamo?
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energy because you have to use it and do things.
  Marketing: No.
  User Interface: Yeah, b but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah but young people like that.
  Project Manager: Batteries?
  Marketing: So just do normal battery.
  Project Manager: Batteries.
  User Interface: I think the battery option.
  Industrial Designer: Just a normal battery then, yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: {gap}.
  Marketing: It has to be twelve and a half.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Or not? {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Oh my goodness.
  Project Manager: You're going to redesign something.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh no.
  Project Manager: Okay, so we're at twenty five.
  Marketing: Uh, yeah. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved?
  Industrial Designer: Well I guess i we'll have to go for single curve then. I mean we have to drop on everything.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm. {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But we can keep it single curved with uh top view still curved, but from the side it's it's flat,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: and the screen screen is just {disfmarker} Well you just have to hold it like this then. So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah. Um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: How about {disfmarker} Sorry.
  Project Manager: Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine, so you can't directly access a channel, but instead use only the up and down arrows. That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros.
  Industrial Designer: That's what I was thinking.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Alright.
  Project Manager: Yeah?
  Industrial Designer: A a
  Marketing: Let's do it then. Yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh then we have left {disfmarker}
  User Interface: But we don't have any basic options any more.
  Marketing: {gap} we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Uh yeah. We do.
  Industrial Designer: And uh'cause then they don't have to n They don't need special colour as well.
  Marketing: F_ eight.
  Project Manager: They don't need special colours. Fine. That's more like it.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} You were saying something.
  Industrial Designer: That was exactly my point. Like let's drop all the buttons, and just make one
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} I mean we're gonna use the L_C_D_ screen anyway. So we'll just have to use it for everything.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: And then you can make an overview of channels in the screen, and select a channel, click {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah, some more menu options. Yeah. Okay so maybe we can drop few more buttons.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: But um {disfmarker} Now let's look.
  User Interface: Yeah we c could {disfmarker} We only need the the the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing. Everything you can do with with the menu. So {disfmarker} With the display.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: The joystick.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Kind of. I was {disfmarker} Because {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah, scroll-wheel, push-button uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. If you if you go to {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Integrated scroll-wheel push-button, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: If you go to our uh view, like you {disfmarker} if you are in the sound system there, uh and you wanna adjust the treble for instance,
  Project Manager: Yeah. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: this is just uh an example,
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: But you want a sound preview of how it's gonna sound,
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: right? So you wanna click on it, activate it, whe and when you move it, hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uh button.
  Marketing: Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: So that's kind of on your mouse and then you can click it, adjust it, click again and then you're out of it.
  Industrial Designer: Exactly.
  Marketing: But you still {disfmarker} But you then still need to have {disfmarker} Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels. But you still um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah it's r Yeah.
  Marketing: You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back.
  User Interface: So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheel push-button.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: And then just drop all the other buttons.
  Project Manager: Uh yeah.
  Marketing: Well not all.
  User Interface: But but th the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons.
  Marketing: Not s not sound I guess.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No.
  Project Manager: Yeah. It's uh {disfmarker} One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Mm.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: So we have to to make it s uh more uh {disfmarker} It has to be {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: You could also drop j three more of these, without losing much functionality. You just drop the Okay and the Back.
  Marketing: Yeah. Wh wh what what what is the what is the uh sample sensor sample speaker?
  Project Manager: Oh, that's for the speech.
  Marketing: Speech recognition.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Could drop the speech recognition. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Right.
  Project Manager: S s Drop speech recognition?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No but {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah that's possible. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: We we d
  Industrial Designer: Yeah it's it's expensive, but uh we never considered the possibilities of uh speech recognition.'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons.
  Project Manager: Buttons.
  Marketing: Buttons.
  Project Manager: That's not very easy to use.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: I
  Marketing: No, it can be disturbed by by noise and
  Industrial Designer: No.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works.
  Marketing: stuff like that. Let let let me see what's more what's more popular. I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: I have to look on that. Let me see. {vocalsound} Uh well no I was wrong.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: There are more people who like speech recognition than an L_C_D_ screen.
  Project Manager: Yep. Okay. Because if you d lose the L_C_D_ screen, we {vocalsound} need a lot of {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But if it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} But it it {disfmarker} it's a it's a both a hypers
  User Interface: We lose our whole concept.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Uh so {disfmarker} No we just {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: We need a lot of extra buttons.
  Marketing: No, but {disfmarker}
  User Interface: We keep the L_C_D_.
  Marketing: Well we Yeah we keep the screen. I mean it's it's about the same. Eight one to ninety one percent, uh sixty six to seventy six.
  Project Manager: Okay
  Industrial Designer: We uh we we haven't really integrated this {disfmarker} the speech into the system,
  Project Manager: so we drop the speech.
  Industrial Designer: so we can might as well s drop that. {gap}
  Project Manager: And drop it yeah?
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. Let's drop the speech.
  Project Manager: Okay. S Fo Four less Euros. So we still have three and a half Euro to lose.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Sixteen Euros.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We need to lose some buttons.
  Marketing: But y y
  Project Manager: Yeah if you lose the the Back, the Okay button {disfmarker} Uh v let's say we only have the four arrows, and the Menu button.
  Marketing: Yeah. Yeah.
  Project Manager: Then you're {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And then and then use um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh and the power button we have also.
  Marketing: The the {disfmarker} Okay. And the menu button does also does the okay function then.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: And then when you in the menu {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: So that's one Euro.
  Marketing: S so so you activate the menu.
  User Interface: If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons, we can drop all the the push-buttons.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah. Yeah? And {gap} {disfmarker}
  User Interface: With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing. With the other, we can do the the channel, the volume, et cetera.
  Marketing: Yeah yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah. {gap}.
  Project Manager: That would save zero point two Euros compared to {disfmarker} No.
  User Interface: No it's three Euros. No? Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. To This together is more expensive than {disfmarker} Oof, it's almost the same as t keeping this.
  User Interface: No it's it's n Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: And we can drop these two.
  Marketing: Well okay.
  User Interface: It's the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: For example if you have f f four buttons, {vocalsound} channel up and down, uh volume left right {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Volume.
  Marketing: Okay, I've {disfmarker} I think we have to keep that.
  Project Manager: And the power button.
  Marketing: And then {disfmarker} and the power button. So that's five.
  Project Manager: That's the basic.
  Marketing: That's basic. That that's what you need anyway. And then for the menu, um you can have a button that activates menu. Or d or do we just integrate an an an scroll-wheel with a push-button. And then if the moment you use the scroll-wheel, the the the menu gets activated, and then you can scroll, choose an option, click on it, it goes into an feature. Click on it again, selects features, scroll, adjust it. Click again, it's okay. Then you only need one button to move back. Or or under each option, you set a {disfmarker} you set an a screen thing what says back, and you select that one, click again, and you go one step back. And in that menu, scroll, click, one step back.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: So that then you need five buttons, and one integrated scroll-wheel push-button.
  Project Manager: Yep. Okay th that's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But we can't drop three buttons.
  Industrial Designer: Which {gap} {disfmarker} That's even {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But I see that's {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah that's one Euro more expensive.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: So {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that's not a good idea.
  Project Manager: That's not an option.
  Marketing: Because which buttons do we have now? Those five which I mentioned, and then menu, and then {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Menu, power.
  Marketing: Yeah. F of the four things?
  Project Manager: Four arrows?
  Marketing: Yeah, th power.
  Project Manager: Power. Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah, if you if you go to eight {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Which more?
  Industrial Designer: I don't know how to {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. Okay. So four arrows?
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh power I believe?
  Marketing: Power. Th Yeah that's five.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} We have a Back and a Okay button.
  Marketing: Yeah, okay that's seven,
  Project Manager: And the Menu.
  Marketing: and one to activate the menu, yeah. So okay that's eight. Well we can't reduce that. We we keep the display.
  Project Manager: Yeah, and even if we drop three buttons from here, we still have to make some adjustments around here. So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Oh, well okay. Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, we need the chip for the for the L_C_ display.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: The L_C_D_? Yeah.
  User Interface: Let's make the {disfmarker} Let's make the case plastic.
  Marketing: Yeah well we need the advanced {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Then I rather make it wood.
  Marketing: Instead of r
  Project Manager: Because then also it's good in the market with the forty five plus uh people.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. True.
  Marketing: Yeah but but that's not our market.
  User Interface: But {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: No that {disfmarker} maybe not. But maybe it's better than plastic anyway.
  Marketing: Ah no, hard plastic. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Plastic with a with a special colour.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh.
  User Interface: A woo wood uh wood uh wood colour.
  Marketing: Yeah, plastic with special colour.
  Project Manager: Yeah? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} No but I I {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah okay uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} That's an option. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Because we have to use the special colour anyway. You forgot that.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yep. Yeah, yeah.
  User Interface: So we do one one s
  Marketing: {vocalsound} So let's go for the plastic.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah, okay. Plastic.
  Marketing: And since it's not kinetic, it doesn't have to flip around that much?
  Project Manager: Uh that's easy because plastic is free. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Hmm.
  Marketing: We still have problem of two Euros.
  Project Manager: Yeah, okay. Uh if we dropped uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: No the buttons, those are really needed.
  Project Manager: Yeah?
  User Interface: Yeah th th it's it's uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah we can't drop them.
  User Interface: An advanced chip-on-print. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} You still need that.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Do we really need that advanced chip for an L_C_D_ display?
  Industrial Designer: You {disfmarker} uh uh {disfmarker} Yeah. So the other option would be to go for the the sample speaker, and {disfmarker} Which can use a regular chip, wh which is six Euros in total.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} S
  Industrial Designer: That doesn't matter.
  Marketing: Oh. I rather keep I rather keep the display.
  Project Manager: No, I keep the re Yeah. Yeah. Because we already designed for it. So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Well yeah.
  Marketing: So the only option is an hand dynamo.
  Industrial Designer: Exactly.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh that {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah and something else.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah but the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Oh no tha Oh that's one Euro, right.
  Industrial Designer: uh can't we f uh fit all the buttons in an intreg integrated scroll push-button?'Cause that will save us one and a half Euro already. And then if w
  Marketing: And then integrated s Yeah but that would make it not so easy to use.
  Project Manager: No y you would rec
  Marketing: I mean it's not that important, easy to use, but {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Then you have {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Th then we have to scroll through a lot of menus to be able to get where you want, huh?
  Project Manager: Then you still need two additional buttons I believe.
  Industrial Designer: And uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: For the volume.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah d at l Yeah. At least one for power.
  Project Manager: You can use those {disfmarker} Yeah.
  User Interface: But the {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Oh yeah and power. That's three buttons and this would cost {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Oh. Yeah it's just as expensive as what we have now.
  User Interface: But the integrated uh button? How many func functions can it uh have?
  Project Manager: Yeah. Three. Up, down, Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah endlessly. I mean it can be a power button as soon as it powered on.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: You can go into you in you main menu,
  Marketing: You you press it for like three seconds.
  Industrial Designer: you can choose uh flip channel, uh you can choose sound options, any options.
  Marketing: Then then then you should do everything in the menu. On the screen.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah, okay. It would save enough {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Maybe we should.'Cause we don't have money and w we want the screen.
  Project Manager: Yeah you can choose this, drop these, then we have a half Euro left.
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} So we can maybe still use power button.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah, but we'd {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Alright.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: I guess we have to.
  Marketing: It s it saves us four Euros and it costs us two and a half. So let's see, we we drop the price by one and a half.
  Project Manager: Yeah. You see?
  Industrial Designer: We'll we'll be on {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But we still have thirteen left.
  Project Manager: Oh still {disfmarker} Yeah? Oh then I miscalculated. Oh yeah.
  Marketing: Thirteen. So still half. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Shit. Drop the special colour. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: There goes the special co {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh no.
  Marketing: Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That would make it less appealing. So that's no option.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}'Kay. What else? Uncurved?
  User Interface: No no, it has to be um curved.
  Marketing: We sure about the advanced chip we need for the display?
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah it says right here.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} They made it very easy for us. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Well yeah. {vocalsound} {gap} yeah. We made it hard for ourselves with the display, but it's a cool feature.
  Project Manager: Ah, I don't think I can s uh persuade the management to say, this is better for the market so you sell more than {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Okay. Wh what we could do is um {disfmarker} drop the the special colour, and uh do the special colour for the buttons.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Project Manager: Buttons. That's {disfmarker} Oh yeah since we only have one button.
  User Interface: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah but I mean what is meant by special colour?
  Project Manager: I just m I don't {disfmarker} I think {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Just something else than than black or white I think.
  Project Manager: Uh yeah it's {disfmarker} I think it's grey, regular.
  Marketing: S yeah. Alright.
  Project Manager: Grey and rubber.
  Industrial Designer: But we definitely want the thing to be a special colour though.
  Project Manager: Of plastic.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Damn.
  Marketing: So I rather have an hand dynamo {vocalsound} than than drop the colour.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah and then {vocalsound} {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
  Marketing: You can still play with it then I guess. I don't know.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah, but a hand dynamo costs a lot of energy to keep the screen working. So I guess that isn't an option.
  User Interface: The display {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Well, you only have to power it up when you wanna use it.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: The {disfmarker} But if you have to power the for ten minutes, {vocalsound} then the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: I don't know.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Project Manager: No I don't think the current status of uh chips are pretty uh energy conserving, no.
  Industrial Designer: {gap}.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah true.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Let's let's go for the hand dynamo then.
  Project Manager: Yeah hand dynamo? Do you want an extra button? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Or or do we {disfmarker} Or do we do uncurved and flat? Instead of {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: No no it has to be curved.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah it has to be curved and has to have that colour.
  User Interface: Yeah. Just put a special special colour of the buttons, or something.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: And a screen.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. That's the most import
  Project Manager: Yep? Instead of an additional power button?
  User Interface: Yeah or spe special form?
  Marketing: Yeah. S what what is special f Oh yeah, special form.
  Project Manager: Yeah?
  Marketing: Maybe that's nicer.
  Project Manager: It's for scroll {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Without {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But we don't have any buttons.
  Industrial Designer: We only have {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} So do {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah. But it's it's for the integrated button, I think also. Or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: d Uh make it a special colour then.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah ma make it a special colour then.
  Project Manager: Yeah but it's just a scroll-wheel which you can push down. So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
  Marketing: Okay. Make it a special colour and then it look fancy.
  Project Manager: Yeah? So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yep.
  Project Manager: Woah we're within budget.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's a miracle. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh just {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Let's let's save it.
  User Interface: oh ma make it two special colours, but we only have one button.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Let's do it like this, I mean, because it does not lose our identity of the product as we {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah? {vocalsound} Okay. Um, well {disfmarker} {gap}.'Kay, this was old.
  Industrial Designer: Well we come back to the drawing board then, huh? {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah. {vocalsound} Okay.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah all your designs are uh pretty much {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah back to work. Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Did I save it?
  Industrial Designer: It's silly'cause we we should have had this meeting before we start drawing.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah but that but that's the fun part of it. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} I I wanted to go, but I wasn't allowed. So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Oh yeah? {gap} okay.
  Marketing: Alright.
  Project Manager: Uh I just forgot to save this. Just a minute. {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap}.
  Marketing: Yeah what's the next uh phase?
  Project Manager: Yeah, this the last phase of course, so {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh the agenda. By your humble P_M_.
  Project Manager: Hmm. {vocalsound} Oh.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh f {vocalsound} Frustrated. {vocalsound} Alright. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Okay. Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Well we first should have had a uh prototype presentation. But well as you saw that hadn't made no sense, because we had to drop it.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Drop everything. Yeah.
  Marketing: Drop, yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: We went straight into finance? {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah it was more important, so I just
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: For {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Project Manager: pushed up the agenda.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh, evaluation criteria. You have t produced something about that?
  Marketing: Yeah that that's {disfmarker} Yeah. I uh I sure did. And it combines with product evaluation. Uh so {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Uh you put it in the {gap}.
  Marketing: We all have to keep in mind what has changed now. So what we have left on the {disfmarker} Because evaluation is based on the initial uh user requirements.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Alright.
  Project Manager: F_ five.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Let's make it big. {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Well we evaluate uh the design with a seven point scale, as following. Well the remote controls according criteria blah blah blah. True or false, and then on a scale of seven points, a {gap} scale, as we all know it.
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Um {disfmarker} Well the criteria are based on the user requirements, uh the trends from the marketing research, and the marketing strategy of the company itself. Um well they are in a Word document, which I will open now.
  Project Manager: Alt up
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. I don't know it's open yet. No. And we all have to uh agree on a certain level. What's this?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Freaky. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oh. I don't know. Um {disfmarker} Well the first point is the remote control matches the operating behaviour of the young user. So that means the operating behaviour was using quite a lot of functions. How do you think about that?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think it does. Because the operating {gap} behaviour of the young user was also defined in colour and shape and the use of L_C_D_,
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: right?
  Project Manager: Uh, of course we dropped a little bit of those uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah the us u It it {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: it's it's mainly con mainly concentrating on a lot of functions, in this question.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: So do you think {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Well, we have extended menus, on the on the L_C_D_ screen. So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. You can you can ma
  User Interface: Yep.
  Marketing: Yeah, you can make a lot of extended menus. That's true. I mean the the possibilities are almost unlimited, to to build in menus in the screen.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I {gap} No.
  Marketing: So on a scale from one to seven, what do you think?
  User Interface: Two or three. Two or three.
  Marketing: Huh? Two or three? Something like that?
  Project Manager: Two.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Well we have to choose one. So uh what do you say?
  Project Manager: Uh y we should fill this in now.
  Marketing: I agree on two.
  Project Manager: Yeah okay.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: I uh I say two, personally. But {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah in the new design I s would say it's three. But now, in original design I say two.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah alright.
  Marketing: Yeah well we have to evaluate I guess what we have now.
  Project Manager: Okay then I say three.
  Marketing: Yeah? You say three,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah.
  Marketing: and you you said al also three?
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Three? Okay well I say still two, but it has to be three then.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Hey, you're marketing, eh. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah I know. So it's made bold. But it's {disfmarker} nah, it's not very clear on the sc
  Project Manager: Hmm. M maybe underline.
  User Interface: Or give it a colour.
  Marketing: Maybe other colour, yeah. That's better.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Red. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} Yeah. Alright. Oh, it doesn't have to be bold anymore.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh yeah very true.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright. Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah true one. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Um well the remote control has {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Wha {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} He types everything. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Definitely one. It has to be.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} The remote control has irrelevant or less used functions. For example audio settings and screen settings.
  User Interface: It hides uh basic functions. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Everything. {vocalsound} You don't use anything else. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Well, yeah. So it it's a very true point. I mean it hides all those function.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You're not gonna find them.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Yeah okay. Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah true.
  Marketing: But, I mean uh they're hidden in the screen. If you don't want to use them, you don't s you s just scroll over them. And you place them {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} F I don't know where. So that's very true, I guess, for our case.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah the next {disfmarker} Not so much so.
  Marketing: Uh the second point. It shows the relevant and most used functions.
  Project Manager: Nope.
  Marketing: Power button. Do we ha still have a power button?
  Project Manager: Uh check with the Excel sheet.
  Marketing: Well yeah the button's integrated, huh?
  User Interface: {vocalsound} I think we are {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah it's uh it's integrated.
  Marketing: Yeah we dropped it. You j you just push it in for {disfmarker}
  User Interface: It's in {disfmarker} Oh yeah it was integrateds. Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah integrate it.
  Marketing: Yeah just just push it in for th for three seconds or something, and then {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: E exactly just like a m mobile.
  Marketing: Yeah. I don't know. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Just go scrolling and it will activate. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah. Um it shows the relevant and most used functions.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap}.
  Marketing: Yeah uh on the other {disfmarker} uh on one side I would say yes, and the other side I would say no. So it's {disfmarker} I don't know.
  Project Manager: It shows the most used functions and they are relevant, but {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Can you uh change channels directly with with just one button?
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: No, you have to scroll through the menu, before
  Marketing: With the scroll butt Yeah and then say channel. And then {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah. So it's it's not {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Well uh we should b build it so that if you don't kind of push into the menu or something, if {disfmarker} When it's on, yeah, it's turned on,
  Project Manager: You say you double click on the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Hmm?
  Industrial Designer: It automatically has the the programme and the volume function,
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: but as soon as you click it you go into the menu or some {gap} {disfmarker} Of you {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Or you double click it.
  Marketing: But but how do you change from volume to channel?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: No because it has four arrows, right?
  Project Manager: No, not anymore.
  User Interface: No. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: No. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Because he's {gap} now have a scroll-wheel that you can push in.
  Industrial Designer: Oh yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Like on the the mouse.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah I was thinking still about our uh integrated joystick.
  Marketing: No we have n we have no buttons left. So {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Say.
  Marketing: the joystick was not an option.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah that is a bummer.
  Marketing: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so you hav {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: So you you have to double-click, I mean, for, I mean, uh volume,
  Project Manager: To get into menu. Yeah.
  Marketing: and three double click for the menu, or something.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh no.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Or hold it ten seconds. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We'll make it a Morse code.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: But but ease of use was not very important, may I remind you.
  Project Manager: No no no. Uh it should be trendy. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: So that's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah but that that's not a question.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Uh the remote control shows the relevant and most used functions.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Well I think it's pretty much in the middle.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Four.
  Marketing: You have to search for them in in the in the s in the screen, in the menu. So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah, im {disfmarker} in the menu.
  User Interface: Seven. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: So maybe it's more like a f a five. Or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah. Five.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah I would go for five or six, yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. Five or six?
  Project Manager: Five.
  User Interface: Five. Yep.
  Industrial Designer: Okay five.
  Marketing: Five? Alright.
  Industrial Designer: Let's not diss our remote.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: It's the weirdest remote control I've ever seen. So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oh. {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yep. Just one button. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well it's different. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Alright. Uh the the remote control makes use of technolog technological innovation like L_C_D_ screen and speech recognition.
  Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker} Uh yep.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Well yeah but we dropped the speech recognition. But it has at least one innovation.
  Project Manager: Yeah, it's still {disfmarker} Yeah, I say two.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We still have the fruit and vegetable print.
  Marketing: I say two then.
  Project Manager: Oh, that's the next. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} that that's not that's not this question. Uh thi uh that's the other question.
  Industrial Designer: Fr Oh I mean the {disfmarker} Oh never mind. I'm a bit lost.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: This one.
  User Interface: I think a two. No.
  Project Manager: Two.
  Marketing: Two yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {gap}.
  User Interface: Yep.
  Marketing: I think L_C_D_'s more useful than speech {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah definitely.
  Marketing: What? Oh not the bold one.
  Industrial Designer: It's way more practical, yeah.
  Marketing: Right. Okay, it has a fancy look and feel by using fruit and vegetable prints, primary colours and sponge-like material.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} It should have been two questions. {vocalsound} I realise now, because {vocalsound} sponge-like material is dropped.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: But the look and feel {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: You still have rubber d Or no.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. So we still uh we still have the primary colours. But only on the on the outside, not on the button.
  User Interface: No you got a plastic.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: The button has also colour. Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} The one button we have. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. The one.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah still we we dropped also on the the double uh curve.
  Project Manager: Yeah you could check with the Excel sheet.
  Marketing: Mm mm.
  User Interface: Yeah. You only have one {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah we have single curve now,
  Industrial Designer: And and colour.
  Marketing: and no and no material
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. S
  Marketing: . So maybe in the middle or something.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Four. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah, I mean it's
  Project Manager: Yeah or three.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: worth the {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Project Manager: We have something.
  Industrial Designer: Actually we d we didn't do so well on this one. Because it's basically an old one, uh with little curve on the side, and in a different colour. Still, it's still hard.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: I mean the sponge-like and the three D_ shape, that would give it something young and fresh.
  Project Manager: New. Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. But then we would have to drop the screen.
  User Interface: Red. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oh red. Yeah.
  Project Manager: You like both. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. {vocalsound} I like bold.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Uh the remote control displays the corporate logo. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um oh yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Mm yeah yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Of course.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} I just couldn't {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} You just have to draw it. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um, just one minute.
  User Interface: It's the white part uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah but it {disfmarker} be because uh we couldn't hardly draw on the b s on the lower half of the screen, we could not make it big enough to actually draw in the {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {gap}.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: We have a we have a {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: So I mean I wanted to put digits on the buttons as well. But {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But there's uh enough space for the corporate logo. I mean, {vocalsound} if there's only one thing.
  Industrial Designer: Hell yeah. If we have only one button.
  Marketing: Yeah. So I will say that is very true.
  Project Manager: {gap}.
  User Interface: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: And even the shape we have now uh simulates kind of an R_ and the reversed R_,
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: doesn't it?
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} The remote control is easy to use. Well I would say {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: No.
  Marketing: Skill, uh I would say six, or something. I don't think it's easy to use, or not so.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} The only e the only thing easy about it is that you don't have to move your fingers.'Cause it has only one button.
  User Interface: Ah i
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: And that you only have to control one button. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah exactly.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. It it it has a nice screen. But {disfmarker} Yeah.
  User Interface: It gives visual feedback. So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. Well I I would say a five or a six.
  User Interface: I think a five. Five. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I would say six.
  Marketing: What do you say? Easy to use? Five or a six?
  Industrial Designer: It's really not easy to use.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No not anymore.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer:'Cause you're putting everything {disfmarker}
  Marketing: So a six, more.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah, uh I would go for the six too. So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Okay. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Most votes count. Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Um well, another question,
  User Interface: Yeah that looks uh great.
  Marketing: uh the remote control is durable.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I don't know if that's the correct word.
  User Interface: Yeah. Nah {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Definitely in casing,'cause we have a hard plastic
  Marketing: But uh {disfmarker} In use, both battery as casing?
  Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} Yeah. Yeah because the the batteries, those thingies last forever.
  Marketing: Yeah? True, true.
  Industrial Designer: And the the casing, hard plastic also lasts forever.
  Marketing: And the casing is plastic, {gap}?
  User Interface: Yep.
  Marketing: Yeah. If you don't drop it too much, it's uh should last pretty long.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: So I would go for one.
  Marketing: Yeah? But uh I think rubber compared is better. So I think a two is more appropriate
  User Interface: Yeah. S
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yep.
  Industrial Designer: Okay yeah.
  Marketing: than {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Wow. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah. Logo.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Okay I will go {disfmarker} go for two. {vocalsound} Uh the last one? The remote control's a good example for company's motto, we put the fashion in electronics.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh. No m
  User Interface: No we put the electronics into the fashion. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah well {disfmarker} yeah.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I would g
  Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap} uh {disfmarker} {gap} turn around. Yeah. But um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I would go for four.
  Project Manager: No {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah?
  Industrial Designer: Because we kind of tried to but we kind of failed with the budget that we have.
  Marketing: It's not {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah, true.
  Project Manager: Yeah okay.
  Marketing: So a four. It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it g it g goes, it's not the best we could do, I guess.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: But it all has to do with the budget, because it's it's not the bad idea we had, so {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah, four is okay.
  Marketing: Alright, yeah. Right.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: That's it.
  Marketing: So if I understood it right, we have to count these numbers.
  Project Manager: Ooh. And {disfmarker} Yeah? What?
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Oh {disfmarker} Alright. Word document, the {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. That {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah we have to count them.
  Project Manager: Count them. Add them? Or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} Yeah just add them and then uh divide them.
  Project Manager: Could somebody start calculator? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Mm. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Ah we can do the math. Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: I all made it po I I all made it
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I all made it possible uh for a positive questions, so we can count it.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: I mean if you have reversed question, you have to reverse the scale,
  Project Manager: Yeah, yeah. You have to {disfmarker}
  Marketing: uh {disfmarker} Yes.
  Project Manager:'Kay. So four and {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Did you make this questionnaire or what?
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound} Thanks. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nice work.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Oh.
  User Interface: Three plus?
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I wouldn't be able to do it that fast.
  Project Manager: O one.
  User Interface: Plus one.
  Project Manager: Plus five.
  User Interface: Plus five?
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh {disfmarker} Easy.
  Project Manager: Bo {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Question number four, yeah?
  Project Manager: Uh two.
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Four.
  User Interface: Oh. Wait a second. Oh. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: F
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: It's it's gone wrong.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} How hard is it?
  User Interface: Okay. It's your turn.
  Industrial Designer: Pretty difficult.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah just use {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Start over?
  User Interface: No it's if you press twice on the plus button, then you get s s
  Marketing: Oh there tho uh there's no n There's no num pads.
  Project Manager: You can {disfmarker} Oh yeah. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: No. That's why it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} It's a it's a bit uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Just type in the digits. They're all one digit numbers right? And then you can count them together.
  Marketing: Yeah. I think you can just count them by a {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Just count it to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Marketing: Um let's move over.
  Project Manager: Okay. Three, four, nine.
  Marketing: Three, plus one, four. Nine.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh, yeah. Are you here?
  Industrial Designer: Eleven.
  Marketing: Eleven.
  Project Manager: Eleven,
  Industrial Designer: Fifteen.
  Marketing: Fifteen.
  Project Manager: fifteen.
  User Interface: Sixteen.
  Industrial Designer: Sixteen.
  Marketing: Sixteen, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Seventeen.
  Project Manager: Seventeen.
  Marketing: No sixteen. Uh sixteen plus six.
  Industrial Designer: Oh what?
  User Interface: Twenty two. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: S Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} How hard is this? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Twenty two. Twenty two, yeah?
  User Interface: Twenty four. Twenty six.
  Industrial Designer: Never mind. Twenty four. Twenty eight.
  Marketing: Tw
  User Interface: Oh, sorry. {gap}.
  Marketing: Twenty {disfmarker} Twenty eight.
  Project Manager: That was the last one. That was that.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh my.
  Industrial Designer: Twenty eight.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Okay. Twenty eight.
  Project Manager: So divided by nine.
  Marketing: Twen Uh okay. By nine.
  User Interface: Hmm.
  Marketing: That's uh three uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Or le less than a three.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah the lower the {disfmarker} The lower the score the better, right?
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. Twenty eight
  Industrial Designer: Yeah but {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Divided by nine.
  Marketing: di divided by nine
  Project Manager: So thr t two.
  Marketing: makes three point one one one one one one one.
  Project Manager: So we're better than average.
  Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: I Are you sure we {disfmarker} this number actually tells us somethings?
  Project Manager: No. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: I don't think so because some questions are related to positive issues and some to negative.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Some questions are {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: So if you give a true to a positive, it actually means that the low {disfmarker} the lower the better. But if you give true to a negative question {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah, but there are no negative questions I guess.
  Industrial Designer: No?
  Marketing: Good example. Durable use.
  Industrial Designer: Durable, that's good.
  Marketing: Easy to use. This {gap} is good.
  Industrial Designer: Easy to use. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Fancy look and feel, that's good.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. {gap}.
  Marketing: Technology innovation was good, because of a marketing uh requirement.
  Industrial Designer: Also good. Yeah okay.
  Marketing: Re relevant most used function.
  Industrial Designer: I guess you did do it.
  Marketing: And hides these functions. {vocalsound} That was also a good thing.
  User Interface: Oh yeah. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Oh yeah yeah. No {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And then matches the opera of the {gap} user was also a good thing.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Okay. Okay.
  Marketing: So it were all positive questions, by uh by purpose. So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah true.
  Marketing: Yes, so the {disfmarker} It tells us something, yes. Becau But the picture would be a lot different if we didn't have to drop those uh those things, I guess.
  User Interface: Oh great.
  Project Manager: Things, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah definitely definitely.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Because now it's just an average {disfmarker} It's remote.
  Marketing: Yeah. Nah it it's it's better than average, but {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah okay because of the L_C_D_ screen. But uh it looks and stuff, it still uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. So th
  Project Manager: It's still {disfmarker} yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Has some shortcomings.
  Industrial Designer: it's not, it's not really eye-catching, except for the colour.
  Marketing: No.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: The colour and the screen.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um this we had, this we had. We have to do a product evaluation.
  Industrial Designer: Product evaluation.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh prototype presentation we dropped. So {disfmarker} Uh the finance we looked. We have redesigned. Uh not on that, but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah we we have to maybe if we have to redesign it on this {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} So you can just make one big L_C_D_ screen. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay it's your turn now. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Shall we try?
  Marketing: {vocalsound} With some casing around it, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Black. Okay uh we're still gonna go for the fancy colours?
  Project Manager: Yeah uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: But are we gonna stick with the green or are we gonna do blue?
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah we we can just uh use this one. And then uh over-paint it with uh uh the green uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: The the button has a special colour, the frame has a special colour.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: he only needs one button.
  Industrial Designer: One scroll button and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: It's plastic. {vocalsound} And single curved.
  User Interface: Yeah. Or we have to delete this one or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Oh and you might want to add a uh infrared LED.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh {disfmarker} oh no. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oh yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Otherwise it uh doesn't function uh so well.
  Industrial Designer: For what?
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: So that's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Do we have to do other things?
  Project Manager: Well I have to um um make an uh report of every decision we made so far.
  Marketing: Or just redesign? {vocalsound} Alright.
  Project Manager: And I try to get chip just before uh I uh receive the Excel sheet.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So I {disfmarker}
  Marketing: So you made a start, right?
  Project Manager: Yeah I'm I'm somewhere, but maybe you can help me.
  Industrial Designer: Should give it some time?
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yay.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Okay, but how do we make the the scroll uh button?
  Project Manager: I was here. So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: It's just one {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Have to take this away also.
  Marketing: Alright.
  User Interface: yeah.
  Project Manager: Ah {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: And this um {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh that's the infrared uh {vocalsound} thing. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Oh yeah, of course.
  Marketing: The the target group has a weak spot for fruit and vegetables, like primary colours, spongy shape.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Um pen yeah? Format. Current colour red.
  Marketing: The playfulness, we decided to use kinetic energy as a power sour
  Industrial Designer: Oh {disfmarker} Yeah we did our special colour for the {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Line widths, now that's a ten.
  Marketing: That's conceptual, yes.
  Project Manager: That's enough to get started with, so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah. Um, uh it's just a scroll {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Mm.
  Industrial Designer: It's gonna be one str scroll.
  User Interface: Yeah, is it's horizontal or vertical?
  Marketing: How many pages? {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Uh, I just took one for every step and then a conclusion.
  User Interface: I think {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Alright. Y you have you have done the first two.
  Industrial Designer: Horizontal's easier too,
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer:'cause you can {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Okay, and and the look and feel is {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Is it more natural than this?
  Project Manager: Well I think I have to make a p an issue called finance.
  User Interface: Yeah, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: So let's say {disfmarker} Whoops.'Kay.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yes.
  Industrial Designer: Basically. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} It doesn't look like uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: The items we had to drop. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Uh it {disfmarker} it's it's not {disfmarker} Yeah. It's not very fashionable anymore. But uh it's okay.
  Industrial Designer: It's really ugly.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Where did we start with price?
  User Interface: Maybe m make it bigger? Or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Twenty six and a half.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Or not? Or twenty six? Something like that.
  User Interface: Yeah. That looks little bit more uh {disfmarker} Maybe that's a s a special colour for it. So we can make it uh special? {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Oh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: This?
  Industrial Designer: What do you mean? Like a other colour than this one?
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Or or speckles in it? I dunno. Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Speckles?
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah can we do it uh {disfmarker} uh can we do a print?
  User Interface: . . $ I'm not sure.
  Project Manager: . . . . I don't think so, if you see the options. But {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I think we have to choose, yeah?
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Okay special colour. We do have special colour.
  User Interface: Yeah red is already a special colour, I think. So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Does it mean uh that {disfmarker}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} It's not very special, but uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Shall we just give it some dots to make it look pretty?
  User Interface: Yeah. Just uh put the purple uh purple on it. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Purdy.
  Marketing: Yeah. Some some big dots.
  Industrial Designer: Purple?
  User Interface: That's trendy.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Oh no my remote has acne.
  Marketing: . . . . We have the original balance sheet, or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Woah.
  Industrial Designer: No. That's why we have that button.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh yeah.
  Industrial Designer: It's so cute.
  User Interface: Hmm. Oh what?
  Industrial Designer: Doh.
  Marketing: Woah.
  User Interface: {gap}?
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Just cut. Control Z_.
  User Interface: Oh no. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Is that that?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  User Interface: No no. Yeah.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: How the {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} did we do that?
  User Interface: Oh it's it's just one computer? Or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Just dual screen.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: No. But can we delete it, just with delete? Or {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: We can try.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: That doesn't respond also to the undo. It looks like it's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Crashed. {vocalsound} Oh, no.
  Industrial Designer: No, {gap} {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Very nice.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Where do you want some more dots?
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah, over here. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} You can't even draw anymore.
  User Interface: Hmm?
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Y y you you {vocalsound}
  User Interface: What's this?
  Project Manager: Even children can draw. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: you push the button or something. Or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Can you just push pen and then keep on {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Oh yeah. Oh that's the select button.
  Project Manager: Hmm.
  User Interface: It's uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Okay, it's not the prettiest, I know.
  User Interface: No, it looks {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: It's not so random huh?
  Marketing: Lot of options.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: It's okay. Specially the the R_. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah, the R_ and another R_.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah okay.
  Marketing: It's called the Real Remote, right?
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Maybe maybe it c it can say that. The Real Remote.
  Project Manager: Yeah just on the the m um the L_C_D_ display.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. {vocalsound} Welcome. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: This is your Real Remote. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: We can make a l a logo.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Like uh {gap} put it like the shape.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: D designed by {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Something like that.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: I mean it's not too uh {disfmarker} That's not their logo, is it?
  User Interface: No. Do they have a lo {disfmarker} Oh, the {disfmarker} here. This i this is the logo.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: Two R_s and a one {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: It's a {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. You can just reuse that, because the name is the same. Initials.
  User Interface: {gap}.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: You can copy and paste the picture if you want.
  Industrial Designer: How {gap} {disfmarker} Shall we do the logo in black or not?
  Project Manager: Mm.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound} What is that? Look more {disfmarker} Looks more like a campfire.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Are you dissing my drawing? {vocalsound} This one?
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: It looks like a ribbon. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {gap}. Yeah.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: So who wants to draw? This is actually quite fun. Do we need to do anything?
  User Interface: Are we uh ready? Uh {disfmarker} Or {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I hear you people are typing.
  Marketing: Type in your report.
  Industrial Designer: Oh, okay.
  Marketing: I don't see any new messages. So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Luckily.
  Marketing: Hmm? Luckily, yeah.
  User Interface: Is this uh the last assignment? Or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah, it's uh
  User Interface: Final {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: It's almost four.
  Marketing: What time do we have to deliver the report? Four o'clock or {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} At four, yeah, {gap}?
  Marketing: Or before that?
  Project Manager: Okay. And copy this.
  Marketing: Just compare uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Just a minute.
  Industrial Designer: This is really bizarre.
  Project Manager: It's {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: It looks like there's a {disfmarker} It looks like a butterfly.
  User Interface: Um bug. Bug.
  Project Manager: It's somewhere {disfmarker} I d It isn't inside.
  User Interface: No it's in inside the {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah, and don't know how it's {disfmarker} or eject it.
  Marketing: No it's on the on the beamer I guess.
  User Interface: No it {disfmarker} Oh. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: From up there?
  Industrial Designer: No, but it i It's not a bu a beamer.
  Project Manager: No.
  Industrial Designer: B It's a normal T_V_ screen, kind of thing.
  Project Manager: Yeah it's somewhere in here.
  User Interface: Hey, you've got it uh read only. So you have to uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Save copy.
  Marketing: Yeah. Strange. This something what's projection from behind, I guess.
  Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {gap}.
  Project Manager: {gap}.
  User Interface: It's too uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Oh. Yeah there is some kind of projection I think.
  Project Manager: Yes.
  Marketing: Yeah it it's a beamer, but then with a {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: With a with a mirror, huh? Or something.
  Marketing: within a mirror, yeah.
  Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound} {gap}.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: So it looks like a big screen, but {gap} {disfmarker} in fact it isn't.
  Industrial Designer: So are we gonna change anything to this?
  User Interface: It is {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I mean is it gonna {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Well it's it's single single curved.
  Project Manager: Well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: It's now single curved. So {disfmarker} It's flat. Oh no.
  Industrial Designer: This is gonna be flat. Yeah exactly.
  Marketing: Th this is flat. Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Okay. It doesn't matter. It's it's {vocalsound} {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But it's it's better to have in the front, this kind of shape, because it looks nice.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I mean you see more of this than of that.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah, more like that.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. And this is also gonna be {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} It's not very uh ideal. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Nope.
  Marketing: Do like this.
  Industrial Designer: But sometimes then uh all of a sudden it does work.
  Marketing: Yeah. What's this?
  User Interface: {vocalsound} That's the detector uh for the {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Ooh.
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Maybe {disfmarker}
  Marketing: But I don't see a detector over there.
  User Interface: Yeah. I don't know.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No it's {disfmarker} I think you only need two points. Or not. No, you sh
  Marketing: I thought it was a kind of thing to put it on, and then draw right lines or something.
  User Interface: Maybe that's why it's it's not working, because it's more {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Slanted yeah.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound} Or just messed it up. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Well maybe.
  User Interface: Oh. {vocalsound} Oh yeah.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah it it matters for the aim of this thing.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah but it wasn't good. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: You've to make it s uh ninety degrees.
  Marketing: Yeah it it has to touch the corners, I guess. But th this one wasn't good, because if I was drawing here, I drew a line and then it came over here.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um now you probably have to recalibrate.
  User Interface: You have {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Oh, five minutes to the end of the meeting.
  User Interface: Oh we're always long.
  Marketing: Oh.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} And the recalibration is done using this icon here.
  User Interface: Yeah, can we t can we get to that @ i
  Marketing: Ooh.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh it's not working anymore. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Yeah well I just {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah, it's it's okay. It's working again.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, it's it's working, it's working.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {gap} {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: It's better than before.
  User Interface: We're improving uh {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: You go ahead.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah that's improved uh pretty much.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah it's only a bit like to that side, but that is that one by the way.
  Marketing: Yeah. Yeah but it's better, it's better {disfmarker}
  User Interface: No it {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer:'Cause this one makes the angle either like this. So i if I change this, it will go there, if I change that, will go there.
  Marketing: Mm. No. It's better than it was I guess.
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm. I will take this away'cause it looks messy.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Silly. Yeah. Works pretty well. Five minutes before the meeting's over.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Yeah.
  Marketing: And then?
  Project Manager: Then I have to uh uh write this,
  Marketing: We have to present {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: and I don't know if you have to present, because I didn't receive any information about that so far.
  Marketing: Alright.
  Industrial Designer: Maybe we will.
  Project Manager: Maybe we get a a final mail.
  Marketing: So it {disfmarker} after the {disfmarker} after after these five minutes, you have to {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah, I have still ten minutes to finish the report.
  Industrial Designer: What's this anyway?
  User Interface: So cake. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Alright. After after that five minutes, you have ten minutes to finish it, or {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: It looks like candle wax.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Alright. And we uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: And you can uh just uh relax and uh have cup of coffee or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Right. Chill. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: oh no, they don't have beer here so you can't celebrate.
  Marketing: Huh.
  Project Manager: You can just if you ma finish my presentation please. Uh over there.
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} Yeah?
  Project Manager: The presentation is still open. So if you finish that then you'll see uh {disfmarker} Yeah next.
  Marketing: Next slide.
  Project Manager: Oh yeah, we have to do the project uh evaluation. Just uh do that quickly.
  Marketing: Yeah?
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: How do you do it?
  Project Manager: Uh well basically what that says, we discuss it and um {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright.
  Project Manager: So how were {disfmarker} did the project process uh go? Did you, were you all pleased with the process as it was? Or are there uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Uh th uh do you mean the the interaction between us? Or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah the interaction and the steps we followed, and and so forth.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah well at first I was really stressed. Because it went a bit fast.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: But then as I knew the tempo that I had to be on, the second time I think I did a bit better.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: And the third time yeah, I mean {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And we move more to to working together as team,
  User Interface: No.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: because at first you you make your individual contribution, and then come here, and you have no idea what the others have to make.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap}.
  User Interface: No.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
  Marketing: And then finally you have some idea, okay this is gonna w this is what we gonna make together and okay I will arrange this and you will arrange that,
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Marketing: and you have a k a kind of idea what you can expect on the next half hour when you have to work on your own. So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah we {disfmarker}
  Marketing: The process, I mean, the interaction between us became better and better I guess.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: Yeah. Especially after the first meeting.
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: And {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah, especially if f f if you see {disfmarker} uh you se you saw the largest difference from the first to the second meeting I guess.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Definitely.
  Project Manager: Okay and was that due to my leadership? {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah yeah yeah. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Well you did become more assertive the the second time round, so that {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah?
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. You were more in charge kind of thing.
  Project Manager: That okay?
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay. Um was there uh enough room for creativity?
  Industrial Designer: I guess so.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah but only the the financial parts uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I mean {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Li Limiteded afterwards,
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: but {disfmarker} If if you don't take that into account, there's plenty of room for creativ creativity.
  Industrial Designer: I
  Marketing: Also not only the drawing and the the making of the thing itself, but also in explaining it to the other people, by means of uh
  Industrial Designer: We were pretty democratic.
  Marketing: the the board and uh PowerPoint and Word and stuff like that.
  Project Manager: So and the {disfmarker} uh about the board {gap} digital pen? Uh was that helpful or {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Ooh.
  Marketing: Mm uh I think in in essence
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: the digital pen is better than the SMARTboard. Because it it it just works better.
  Project Manager: Yeah it works. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: I mean uh uh I've made {disfmarker} yeah, uh I've made several notes just to test it, and and just put the pen in into it, and then it came onto my screen and it looked perfectly.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: So it it's better a better device than uh
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Maybe {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: than the screen. But the screen is useful, in essence, but it doesn't work that well. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: It's uh it's {disfmarker} The the pen is more intuitive,'cause we're all used to writing with pen.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Use the pen.
  Industrial Designer: And uh as I said, uh I uh have no idea how PowerPoint works, so will take me half a day to be able to make a normal PowerPoint presentation.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: But once I get to know the program probably, I mean, it looks better, you know. Or uh something like that. You can give it a kind of a home style, like we have i the the logo and everything.
  Project Manager: Yeah yeah.
  Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} I don't know.
  Marketing: Yep.
  Project Manager: Blink. Oh. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Warning. Finish meeting now.
  User Interface: Finish meeting.
  Project Manager: Okay, are are there {vocalsound} any new ideas about this? All I think {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Well, it {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I didn't really receive, yeah.
  Marketing: It's use especially useful, I guess, to to evaluate designs and graph graphical stuff.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh uh w uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: And and
  Project Manager: S sorry uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: the {gap} screen and stuff like that.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: I think the PowerPoint is is too limited. You can't uh draw easy in in PowerPoint. It has to be uh {disfmarker} yeah. The drawing board has to be integrated into PowerPoint, so that you can just easily {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah the the the problem with PowerPoint for me is that you have to i put in the pre-made chunks c as well.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: You know, you can draw something on the sketch-board and then take it there, or whatever.
  Marketing: Yeah. Yeah. But it it's useful to to show something to to an {disfmarker} a small audience, and then to {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah just for text, for text it's uh it's okay. But {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. These these kind of screens this size are useful to discuss things. So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yes. Check your email.
  Project Manager: Uh we should uh enter our questionnaire. {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} You also. {vocalsound}
  User Interface:'Kay.
  Project Manager: Ah. {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Woah.
  Industrial Designer: Alright.
  Marketing: Right.
  Project Manager: Okay. Uh okay.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Alright.
  Marketing: Yes boss.
  Industrial Designer: Well, s see you in a second huh? {gap}.
  Project Manager: That's the management. {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Well see you soon.
  User Interface: Oh.
  Project Manager: Hope so.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  Project Manager: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah {vocalsound} we have to pull it this way, huh? Wait.
output: When discussing how to control their budget, the Industrial Design put forward to use an integrating joystick or a scroll-wheel push-button like the mouse to reduce the number of the buttons on the remote control. It did sound great for that it allowed users to function the remote control by manipulating only one button as well as saved the cost for the group. However, according to the User Interface, actually it could cost even five times to design and produce an integrating button than just produce several scattered buttons, so this might not be a feasible suggestion.