input: Summarize the presentation and discussion on functional requirements.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I have to write it down.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Fine.
  Project Manager: Do you know them or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: The names?
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: For for for my sur um
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Jens.
  Project Manager: Yeah, no, but your b your surname.
  Marketing: Uh Damman. D_ A_ W_.
  Project Manager: W_O_ da. Okay.
  Marketing: Uh uh M_ M_. I mean M_. Double M_.
  Project Manager: Okay. And what's your name?
  User Interface: Paul Wiezer. Paul Wiezer.
  Project Manager: W_I_E_S_ z Z_ or S_?
  User Interface: A_ E_ Z_ zee zee
  Project Manager: Uh uh zee {gap}. Okay.
  User Interface: E_ R_.
  Project Manager: What's your name?
  Industrial Designer: Uh Martijn.
  Project Manager: Yeah, but your surname. {vocalsound} Your surname.
  Industrial Designer: What? Uh Abbing. A_ B_ B_ I_ N_ G_.
  Project Manager: Okay, thanks.
  User Interface: Uh.
  Industrial Designer: I was a little short on time,
  Project Manager: Yeah, me too, so that's not {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, same here.
  Project Manager: No no no, I just fi first my {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Oh. {vocalsound} Sorry.
  User Interface: Uh let's see. Which one was mine?
  Project Manager: So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. {gap} Okay, perfect. So we have {disfmarker} Oh no, what's that? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are,
  User Interface: Good.
  Project Manager: that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like {disfmarker} look like. Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. How do I escape this? How do I I escape this s uh presentation?
  Industrial Designer: What?
  User Interface: Uh left.
  Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Ah okay.
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Just {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Project Manager: And show, sorry. Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um {disfmarker} Should be a univ uh universal remote control {disfmarker} No, that's {disfmarker} I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only. So have you changed that part?
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Okay. {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: Um so {disfmarker} yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. It's it's still the same. Um {disfmarker} All these points uh we have to look at. You all know them. But uh there's another point. The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. So they're old and not younger people. So we have to look at that as well.'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno.
  User Interface: Yeah, okay.
  Project Manager: Uh so {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Which one first?
  Marketing: Okay.
  Project Manager: Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Mm. Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Functional requirements, yeah
  Marketing: Okay. Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. Wait. Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site. Uh I think you've uh read it too. Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site.
  Project Manager: I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me,
  Marketing: You didn't read it?
  Project Manager: I didn't get it uh anyway.
  User Interface: No, I didn don't thing we got it.
  Project Manager: It's only for you.
  Marketing: Oh okay, I I was the only one who get it.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yes.
  Marketing: Okay it was uh uh uh um um {vocalsound} a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. I think this fits uh at the {vocalsound} uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. Well okay, that's uh normal. I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. But that's one of our requirements.
  Project Manager: The last point is quite an interesting {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons.
  Project Manager: So
  Marketing: Um Martijn alr already said it.
  Project Manager: if we {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but {disfmarker} I don't think it's uh
  Project Manager: Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top,
  Marketing: reachable.
  Project Manager: then you're you're {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you {vocalsound} clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it uh quickly.
  User Interface: Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station.
  Marketing: Okay, yeah. Yeah, we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the {vocalsound} thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. Uh next, remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't {disfmarker} We we haven't {disfmarker} Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay, last page.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money. {vocalsound} But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things. {gap}
  Project Manager: So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.
  Marketing: But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients?
  Project Manager: People. So yeah, so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control,
  Marketing: I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly,
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Project Manager: because {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros.
  Project Manager: It's too {disfmarker} Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Um then {disfmarker} I have my personal uh preference. Okay, that's {vocalsound} not very good, because I thought about television, D_V_D_ player, stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question, this. Um my point is, well, I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television, I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.
  Project Manager: Because it's too expensive. Yeah, probably.
  Marketing: Yeah, only only for television uh {disfmarker} On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.
  User Interface: Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it.
  Marketing: Okay, I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a {vocalsound} a new product. We have to be um {disfmarker} Yeah. One of a kind, I think.
  Project Manager: So it has to look uh uh uh unique,
  User Interface: Unique.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style.
  Project Manager: but {disfmarker} Yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah, I reckon {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: But old people are not looking for that.
  User Interface: Uh I think mm {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Not really.
  User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah,
  Project Manager: Okay. Yeah.
  Marketing: to k to keep it simple when you {disfmarker}
  User Interface: But uh we also have to stand out,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Sorry I thought about it, yes.
  User Interface:'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape,
  Project Manager: Yeah. Okay.
  User Interface: so {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Okay, this was uh my presentation.
  Project Manager: Thanks.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Marketing: I don't {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: So
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Paul, you can do the next one if you want.
  Marketing: You can ask some questions or something.
  User Interface: Okay. Yeah well {disfmarker} Uh.
  Project Manager: It's on the on the uh net net uh thing,
  User Interface: There it is.
  Project Manager: isn't it?
  User Interface: Okay. Technical functions design. Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't {disfmarker} that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used.
  Project Manager: So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, I have it on the next page.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to {gap}. Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh {disfmarker} Could I think of favourites? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not?
  Project Manager: Maybe i maybe it's too complicated,
  User Interface: No y
  Project Manager: but not sure {gap}.
  User Interface: Well
  Project Manager: It's a good idea, but {disfmarker}
  User Interface: it's {disfmarker} It was just a thought. So I'm, I u {disfmarker} I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button?
  User Interface: Well uh
  Project Manager: Uh {gap} {disfmarker}
  User Interface: what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah?
  User Interface: So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel.
  User Interface: Well if you said a favourite {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? Like favourite one and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Uh mayb for me it's {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Well i
  Project Manager: If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never.
  User Interface: Never? Oh.
  Industrial Designer: No, neither do I.
  Project Manager: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Oh are you?
  Project Manager: And {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Okay now, m maybe not.
  Project Manager: If I don't do it, maybe old people {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: No, maybe elderly people uh. Right.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, I dunno.
  User Interface: They don't like new features. So maybe not.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: Um well play, pause. I dunno if that's usable
  Project Manager: It's not, it's still not {disfmarker} It's not anymore n uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: when {disfmarker} Not anymore for T_V_.
  Project Manager: {gap}
  User Interface: Right, on off. {vocalsound} I dunno, miss {disfmarker} Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? I couldn't think of any other,'specially not for T_V_.
  Marketing: Um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Just on the front as well. No, that's the only th the only thing you need.
  User Interface: Is {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know, but next channel?
  User Interface: Just the channel um uh {disfmarker} What I mean is uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I don't thi
  Marketing: Forward.
  Industrial Designer: Li like a web browser,
  User Interface: Six seven eight or five.
  Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} Oh, okay.
  Project Manager: Just very simple.
  Industrial Designer: But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back button.
  User Interface: Um I dunno.
  Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} Yeah,
  User Interface: I don't have {disfmarker} Uh I did {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Yeah,
  Marketing: No. Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, okay.
  User Interface: Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.
  Project Manager: And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Normally you can press one, zero or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: A ten plus or {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: To just keep it simple and standard uh features.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh {disfmarker} Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh yeah mayb
  Marketing: It gets some seconds.
  User Interface: But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes.
  Industrial Designer: Oh okay. Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah, it's it's no it's not a {disfmarker}
  User Interface: So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, but that's th mm {disfmarker}
  Marketing: It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  User Interface: So if you have a universal T_V_ controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, and that {disfmarker} And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah.
  Project Manager: But do we still need a two level remote control? Because if we only have that l only f
  Marketing: It's only for television now.
  User Interface: So I I don't think so.
  Project Manager: No.
  User Interface: Uh I just thought of another one.
  Marketing: No.
  User Interface: Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh {disfmarker} But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: so you have
  Industrial Designer: I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use, like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button.
  User Interface: four arrows.
  Industrial Designer: Because you n almost never use menu button.
  User Interface: Yeah, okay,
  Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: but um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, a mute button. Yes.
  Project Manager: Maybe, not {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Don't think so.
  Project Manager: I don't know where where you have to put it.
  User Interface: Yeah well,
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: that's that's {disfmarker} I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use.
  Project Manager: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
  User Interface: And later we can d uh do the design.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  User Interface: Okay, uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards, basic {disfmarker} Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging, that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls.
  Project Manager: Yeah. Does it have to be {disfmarker} Uh it has to be uh with different colours
  User Interface: Um {disfmarker} I dunno. Different colours um {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow
  Project Manager: It's like a iMac or something.
  Marketing: or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: {vocalsound} Just to make it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.
  User Interface: Yeah. Well why not? Or {disfmarker} Yeah.
  Marketing: That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.
  Project Manager: But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.
  Project Manager: Oh, you just {disfmarker} I dunno what happened.
  User Interface: Oh.
  Marketing: {gap}
  User Interface: Who?
  Project Manager: Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. Just {disfmarker}
  User Interface: They they're uh designed very well.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small,'cause then you will always lo always lose it.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: But uh well, I think that's a good example.
  Project Manager: Okay, {gap}
  Marketing: Okay.
  Project Manager: we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it.
  User Interface: Okay, sorry.
  Project Manager: Is it fin Are you finished?
  User Interface: Well uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: Yeah, I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.
  Industrial Designer: Okay. Well, the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um {disfmarker} Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh {disfmarker} Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh {disfmarker} And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode, I believe.
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things
  Project Manager: So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it?
  Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker} Yeah. I I think so. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: Uh j Is {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: I I'm not sure if it's the same thing.
  Project Manager: Yeah, it's {disfmarker} I think it's usable.
  User Interface: Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting?
  Marketing: Yeah, that's active.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Or just a green one,
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: because it's {disfmarker} If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green.
  User Interface: Yeah. Maybe uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's right.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, when you press it.
  Project Manager: But if you {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: I it's it's just uh the the {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Red's l shows up like something's wrong,
  Industrial Designer: Two?
  Project Manager: and green is like it's okay, you press the button.
  Marketing: Mm.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, I dunno.
  User Interface: Maybe depends on uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red.
  Project Manager: Yeah, I know.
  User Interface: Yes.
  Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Okay, we make it red.
  User Interface: But maybe {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: So
  User Interface: Well
  Industrial Designer: I know.
  User Interface: we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.
  Project Manager: You have to {disfmarker} The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool. {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I I think uh the batteries will be uh {vocalsound} a little {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Oh,
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Empty.
  User Interface: maybe it's it is would an e No. Just uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: No, we have a recharger in it, so {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Oh.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, okay.
  Project Manager: If we can still make that then {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Uh maybe.
  User Interface: Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: It's just to indicate something's on.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. That it's working. That it's not not the batteries are low.
  Project Manager: But it's cool if it was green.
  User Interface: Yeah. It's it's not very important,
  Project Manager: Green or red or whatever, it is cool. {vocalsound}
  User Interface: so yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, I know. Just to indicate it's working.
  User Interface: So mm {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the {disfmarker} Otherwise it won't work.
  User Interface: So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: No. I I uh {disfmarker} The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: An automatically search function for each television, or something.
  Industrial Designer: That are working. Yeah, or {disfmarker} I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.
  User Interface: Well, I I use a universal uh remote control,
  Marketing: Uh I kno
  User Interface: and {gap} list of all the T_V_s you have, etcetera. And you have to put in a number, so it works on your T_V_.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah? Okay.
  Marketing: Oh, I have a modern one.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know, oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it,
  Industrial Designer: Ah okay.
  Marketing: and then it's okay. So you don't have to search for your television or your code.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Marketing: It uh search uh the pattern for itself.
  User Interface: Okay,
  Industrial Designer: Okay, yeah.
  User Interface: so we use that.
  Industrial Designer: So it uh {disfmarker} We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. Because you have to {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yes.
  User Interface: Yep.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: I just say {disfmarker} Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking {disfmarker} There's just a short {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Uh okay. Well uh y you have this chip.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern.
  Project Manager: Mm-hmm.
  Industrial Designer: But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work, basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time.
  Marketing: Changing the signal.
  Industrial Designer: And um {disfmarker} What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so {disfmarker} And then he saves that setting
  Project Manager: Okay. Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: and then um it's working.
  Marketing: Yeah, that's the right uh option.
  Industrial Designer: Okay. Well uh the components.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't {disfmarker} I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Um that's connecting to all the components.
  Project Manager: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.
  Project Manager: Okay. So that's the LED, L_E_D_.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah, and this is a LED too.
  Marketing: {gap}
  Industrial Designer: But this one is producing infrared light
  Project Manager: Yeah, okay.
  Industrial Designer: that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.
  Project Manager: So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light, but as a normal one. To flash up your {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can {disfmarker} Basically if the battery is low, it won't work.
  Marketing: Yeah. Yeah, and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.
  Industrial Designer: Huh, that's a good idea.
  Marketing: Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then.
  Project Manager: Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal.
  User Interface: No, y Yeah.
  Marketing: Okay.
  Project Manager: And it's {disfmarker} you also know which button you p
  Marketing: But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs.
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's right. But it {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Everywhere in the r
  Project Manager: But does it make any difference for the energy you use? You got still one LED.
  User Interface: No I don't think so, but {disfmarker} Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else.
  Project Manager: That looks different, yeah.
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  User Interface:'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons?
  User Interface: Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even.
  Marketing: Yeah, okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, but mm like when you push it
  User Interface: {gap} Yeah, then then won't {disfmarker} Then you won't see it.
  Industrial Designer: n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see {disfmarker}
  Marketing: It must be around it then.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the {disfmarker} A green light is flashing
  Marketing: Yeah, then {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: or {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah. Not not not not here, but here.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. There. Yeah.
  Marketing: Maybe uh {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean?
  User Interface: {gap} Yeah, we're thinking about it.
  Project Manager: If you push {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh
  Project Manager: It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea.
  User Interface: everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much.
  User Interface: Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Okay.
  Project Manager: It's f Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.
  User Interface: Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote.
  Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: No, I dunno. But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah,
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's a good idea, okay.
  Marketing: I uh {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. We'll have enough power
  Project Manager: Everything agre
  Industrial Designer: to {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Everyone agrees with that, or {disfmarker} Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yeah.
  User Interface: Yep.
  Marketing: Maybe what Paul said, uh under the {disfmarker} on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps.
  Project Manager: Yeah, and then you {disfmarker} Okay, yeah. But you have to make a sound device in it then.
  User Interface: And also it's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Yeah, there must be sound in it.
  Project Manager: But {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Okay, it shouldn't take much {disfmarker}
  Marketing: I dunno.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it.
  User Interface: Uh I th
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.
  Marketing: Bec Twelve and a half, okay. But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, okay.
  User Interface: I think uh you also have uh {vocalsound} remote controls with a lot of options.
  Marketing: So {disfmarker}
  User Interface: But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh. We have to give our customers some extras.
  User Interface: Yeah. I think we will save money with that.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, okay.
  Project Manager: Okay. Are you almost finished or just {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out.
  Project Manager: Okay. Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Because I was short on time.
  Project Manager: No worry.
  Industrial Designer: But um {disfmarker} Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration.
  Project Manager: Yeah, I just want to talk some {disfmarker} about some more. So maybe you have to {disfmarker} Yeah?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah?
  Project Manager: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Okay.
  Project Manager: So this {disfmarker} Oh, sorry. Wh what's that? So uh {disfmarker} Oh, sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um {disfmarker} Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so,
  Industrial Designer: No,
  Project Manager: but {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use.
  Marketing: No.
  Project Manager: Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah.
  Marketing: Uh.
  Project Manager: We definitely should use it. Um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. Oh no, sorry. Oh, this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. So it should be flashy or just more interesting.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Oh. Mm.
  User Interface: Okay, that's {disfmarker} It changes things.
  Project Manager: I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well.
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  Project Manager: So does it make some decision about that? {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Changes.
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah.
  User Interface: Um {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: That kinda changes the whole situation.
  Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way,
  Project Manager: That still stays.
  User Interface: to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  User Interface: That's important I think and {disfmarker}
  Marketing: L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think.
  User Interface: And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it.
  Marketing: Oh.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: So {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: Mm ah {disfmarker} I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay. {vocalsound} No, it's not {disfmarker}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No.
  User Interface: So, but uh {disfmarker} Yeah. What other features can we put in?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required, because the {disfmarker} Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think.
  Marketing: But uh some of you had uh something to read about um {vocalsound} uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe?
  Industrial Designer: I didn't read {disfmarker}
  Marketing: That's very {disfmarker} That's fancy. That's cool.
  User Interface: It's very fashion.
  Industrial Designer: I didn't read any
  Marketing: Twelve and you've got twelve.
  Industrial Designer: b Yeah. Yeah okay.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Industrial Designer: I I know.
  Marketing: Only the numbers, only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers, one to twenty or something.
  Industrial Designer: Mm.
  Marketing: That should be cool.
  Project Manager: Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But {disfmarker}
  Marketing: If it's possible,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah,
  Project Manager: I don't think it's very expensive actually.
  Industrial Designer: I don't know.
  Marketing: I dunno. I didn't read it.
  User Interface: Mm.
  Project Manager: Why should it?
  User Interface: Yeah, I think it's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Uh if i if i
  Project Manager: You only have a microphone in it.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Marketing: I didn't have information about that.
  Industrial Designer: But it has to work. And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Nah, maybe {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Ah that's a problem, but {disfmarker}
  Industrial Designer: And and uh w Yeah?
  Marketing: Uh only in English. Only in English I think.
  User Interface: What {disfmarker} But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh {disfmarker} Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, but {disfmarker}
  User Interface: uh one to have in channel one?
  Marketing: No, that {disfmarker} Yeah, then th we have to think about that. But do {vocalsound} do we do it?
  User Interface: Yeah,
  Marketing: It's more if we if we do it.
  User Interface: I dunno. So, is it very usable? That's what I'm looking at.
  Industrial Designer: And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing
  Marketing: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: or {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that.
  User Interface: Is {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: It {disfmarker} We have short time to to put it on the market,
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, I dunno.
  Project Manager: so that {disfmarker} We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that.
  User Interface: Mm {disfmarker} Yeah well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Okay.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, I think so. {gap}
  Project Manager: We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy. {gap}
  Marketing: Yeah, and uh and uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: It's {disfmarker}
  Marketing: In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.
  Industrial Designer: And and {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: Yeah. I think so.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh {vocalsound}
  Marketing: Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the T_V_ turns uh to one.
  Industrial Designer: the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah, okay.
  Marketing: Yeah,
  User Interface: Yeah. Well yeah,
  Marketing: it's not uh {disfmarker}
  User Interface: that's the right command. And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one, or something. Not just one,
  Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker} Hmm yeah, T_V_ one.
  User Interface: but {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition.
  User Interface: Well I dunno. But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: So
  Marketing: Mm-hmm.
  Project Manager: we have to make some decisions. So
  Marketing: Okay, no speech recognition.
  Project Manager: you can see on the uh {disfmarker} So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? Do {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Yeah, I think so.
  Project Manager: If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay?
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, that's good.
  Project Manager: Okay, we just take that one.
  User Interface: Yep.
  Project Manager: And what else, we have {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Also the one in the dark. So uh {disfmarker} It lights up when it's dark?
  Project Manager: Yeah, but it's {disfmarker} Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same.
  User Interface: I didn't {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: If you push something, it it all lights up.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: Yeah. Yeah yeah,
  User Interface: Yeah, but um {disfmarker}
  Marketing: it it mustn't work all the time.
  User Interface: Yes, that's what I mean.
  Marketing: It uh uh it have to work only when you use it.
  Project Manager: Or you can switch it on or something.
  Marketing: So if you {disfmarker}
  User Interface: Or maybe when you {disfmarker}
  Marketing: No, if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off.
  User Interface: yeah. It lights up all.
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's right. You have to {disfmarker} Yeah, that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah.
  User Interface: Okay yeah. D Yeah, alright. Yeah.
  Project Manager: And do we use a a {disfmarker} Uh what's it called? Like a iMac, {gap} if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.
  User Interface: Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod.
  Industrial Designer: Mm, maybe it's a good idea.
  User Interface: Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface: Like uh phones.
  Marketing: Oh yeah.
  Project Manager: Different colours. Okay,
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  Project Manager: so y you just make it th through {disfmarker} You look through it?
  Marketing: A see-through. Mm, that's cool.
  User Interface: Yeah. Uh as an option maybe.
  Project Manager: Okay. And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top,
  User Interface: It's the standard {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there.
  User Interface: Yeah, uh {disfmarker} Yeah,
  Marketing: But you have {disfmarker} You had a lot of different buttons.
  User Interface: we but we don't {disfmarker} We don't really have any complicated buttons.
  Industrial Designer: Hmm.
  Project Manager: Yeah, maybe you have you have to {disfmarker} Uh when you use teletec teletext, you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one.
  User Interface: Yeah okay, but {disfmarker} Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little {disfmarker}
  Project Manager: O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.
  User Interface: No, I don't need don't need {disfmarker} Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.
  Project Manager: Yeah, that's right.
  User Interface: I use teletext as well.
  Industrial Designer: So uh {disfmarker}
  Marketing: No, I use te teletext every day, I think.
  Industrial Designer: Hmm. Okay.
  Project Manager: Yeah. For me too, it is. So we just keep it one level then? Okay.
  User Interface: Yeah yeah, one level. And I think, uh'cause um we don't have that many buttons,
  Marketing: Mm.
  User Interface: I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  User Interface:'Cause {gap} simple buttons.
  Project Manager: Okay.
  User Interface: If you put one above it, it's clear.
  Project Manager: Okay. So that's it for toda for {disfmarker} We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um {disfmarker}
  Marketing: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: How long is lunch break?
  Project Manager: So yeah, you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything, so {disfmarker}
  Marketing: Trendwatching. Okay. That's fine.
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Marketing: Yo.
  Project Manager: So, we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch.
  User Interface: Okay.
  Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound} Bye.
  Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {gap}
  User Interface: {vocalsound}
  Marketing: {gap}
  Project Manager: Yeah.
  Industrial Designer: Yeah. {gap}
  User Interface: {gap}
  Marketing: Mm. Uh.
  User Interface: {gap}
  Marketing: {gap}
  Project Manager: {gap}
  Industrial Designer: {gap}
  Marketing: {gap} {vocalsound} {gap}