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"a) my nick is taks, get it right. \nb) um, yes, it is tyrannical especially if it is through consent of the people.  tyranny of the majority is still tyranny.  that's why we are a republic because pure democracy is tyrannical. \n  \n\nsuit yourself.  basic disproved ideas is what they are.  such concepts can only work in an ideal society in which people don't have free will (or very tiny societies in which there is more to do than people to do it). \n  \n\nyet you propose sacrificing my liberty for the sake of your happiness. \n  \n\nyeah, you have a right to steal from me?  how does that square with liberty in any definition of the word? \n  \nalso, as i have already noted, what we have is not \"insurance\" by any stretch, nor is it free market.  we have a situation in which the insurance companies are propped up, regulated, and forced into partnerships with and by the government.  there is no competition due to government interference.  insurance companies lobby the government with massive amounts of money.  yet here you are proposing that the very same government that is in bed with these so-called thieves be given total control over 17% of our economy.  how insane are you?  THE GOVERNMENT IS THE REASON THE SYSTEM SUCKS yet you and those like you are arguing they should be completely in charge!  unbelievable. \n  \n\nsigh... you don't get it.  this does not support your claim that our healthcare is more expensive here, it only supports the truth that we spend more on health care.  we do - i did not argue this, so your graphic is a strawman.  we also do nearly all of the research in the medical industry (particularly for drugs) which results in us paying the costs for everyone else.   \n  \nsocialist systems cannot afford the \"true cost\" of health care - socialized systems ration care to satisfy the law of supply and demand, period.  hence, the total expenditures may go down, but by no means are they getting the same amount of care for their dollar.  once the last bastion of even remotely free market health care goes under, we will see the effects throughout the world, and more importantly, here in the US. \n  \ntaks \n"
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