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"<p><a href=\"https://coffeetime.freeflarum.com/d/34-behmor-roaster/16\" class=\"PostMention\" data-id=\"307\" rel=\"\" target=\"\">Doram</a>  All good points.</p> \n\n<p>To adresss some of them ….</p>\n\n<ul><li>how many shots? Well, typically, 18g for espresso, but more for a Clever jug. How many of each I do varies day to day, and which one depends on time of day, and mood. . Rarely more tha 3 or 4 ina day, and typical is probably about 2.5. I also tend to switch to decaf in the evening, so it’s likely I’ll have three or even four bean selections on the go at any given time, and I’m normally the only one drinking ‘proper’ coffee. The bigger they are, the older they get by the time I get to the end.</li>\n<li>According to Dave’s review, the theoretical 100g max is actually more like 150g. I assume, perhas erroneously, that there is a degree of repeatability if roasting to a known profile, in fairly short order. Yeah, beans can change as they age, but how much difference (and so how much dialing in) will be needed if I roast bean x on Monday, then again on say Thursday (given consistency in as many factors as possible, especially weight, but also environmental factors like ambient temperature, whether first roast of several back to back roasts or whether the roaster is already hot, etc). </li>\n<li>Agreed on most beans needing resting time. That’s a matter of planning, though. If I expect to need them on Friday, and they need (say) 5 days rest after roast to optimise, I need to roast on Sat/Sunday. </li>\n<li>I take the point about it “getting old quick”. My circumstances do lend themselves to that, though. It certainly wouldn’t for lots of people. </li>\n<li>Again, due to circumstances, getting more roasts done in a short period of time accelerates the learning curve. For me, doing two or three a week is a good thing, compared to doing two or three a month, for larger batches. I agree that <strong>usually</strong> those small batches would be a negative, but for me, I think they’re actually a positive. Maybe I need to explain why. Let me think about that a bit.</li>\n<li>I also take the point about “loss”. I understand 11-15% weight is about typical, but it varies bean to bean. </li>\n<li>One of the things that puts me off the Behmor is what appears a rather awkward manouvre getting the cage in, and especially out. Without gory details, I have very restricted usage of my left arm and, at least short of a finger amputation op, no way am I getting my left hand inside a glove, and have limited strength/movement in that arm anyway. A mitt? <strong>Maybe.</strong> </li>\n<li>The Gene seems, from watching videos, to be much easier <em>for me</em> than the Behmor, in relation to getting the cage in or out, The Nano even more so, and the Ikawa is a dream in that regard. </li>\n<li>Repeatability. I think there, the Sandbox does pretty well, and probably (<strong>at a price</strong>) the Ikawa even more so. In case you haven’t seen it, you load a measured quantity of beans in a kind-of feed chamber in the top of the Ikawa, then “drop” into the pre-heated roasted rather like more commercial roasters, but on a micro scale. They roast on a fluid air bed, and, upon completion, you push a button and they’re dumped into the waiting containers. The Ikawa especially <strong>seems</strong>, to me, to be designed as a sample roaster for bigger machines, and <strong>seems</strong> to concentrte on better sensor data, giving profiles that are transferable to bigger roasters, and hence, have to be somewhat repeatable. </li>\n<li>I want to stress, I don’t and never have roasted so much as bean 1. This is what I’m picking up from watching videos, both on product demos but also theory and commercial roasting classes, and from reading books. But I’m painfully aware that that kind of research only carries me so far, which is why I value opinions from you guys. </li>\n<li>So, from the last point, this post isn’t intended to argue with you. I’m trying to explain why my priorities might be a bit different to yours, and most people’s. I hope. And that as a result, the ‘best’ machine might be, too. </li>\n<li>I started out thinking exactly as you outlined, and concluded the same - Gene or Behmor. It’s just that the more I looked, and the more I  thought about it, the more the single biggest weakness of “sample” roasters, capacity, started to look like a strength, in my case.</li> </ul>\n\n<p>One thing currently making me very, <strong>very</strong> nervous about the Sandbox (and other Smart App roasters) is, well, needing to control it via a phone. Even more so,the “VIP” mode subscription. That frosts my conkers badly. And I have so far failed to find out what it costs, or how the roaster is limited if you don’t have the ‘VIP’ subscription. I very much resent the notion of paying that much for the roaster, then having to pay a subscription to use it, so whether that aspect kills the Sandbox stone dead for me will depend on how much, and what not having it locks out.</p> \n\n<p>If the subscription is to fund <strong>extra</strong> services, the provision of which incurs a cost for the providers, then fair enough. If not having it restricts the ability to control the actual hardware, then it’s a non-starter for me.</p> "
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