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"&lt;table id=\"post1124076\" class=\"tborder\" align=\"center\" border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"100%\"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=\"thead\" style=\"font-weight: normal;\" align=\"right\"&gt;              #203                      &lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;tr valign=\"top\"&gt; &lt;td class=\"alt1\" style=\"border-top: 1px solid rgb(207, 207, 207); border-right: 1px solid rgb(207, 207, 207); border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(207, 207, 207); padding-left: 3ex; padding-right: 3ex; background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239);\" width=\"175\"&gt;                                            \n  \n\n                       \n                  \n\n  \n    \n               \n                               Username: Sarva gattah \n  &lt;!-- v3 Arcade --&gt;  &lt;!-- /v3 Arcade --&gt;                                             \n                               \n                 &lt;!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: postbit_reputation --&gt;  \n                      \n              \n                           &lt;!-- edit sig --&gt;          &lt;!-- /edit sig --&gt;               &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td style=\"border-top: 1px solid rgb(207, 207, 207); border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(207, 207, 207);\" class=\"alt1\" id=\"td_post_1124076\"&gt;                                &lt;!-- icon and title --&gt;                               \n             &lt;hr style=\"color: rgb(255, 255, 255);\" size=\"1\"&gt;             &lt;!-- / icon and title --&gt;                           &lt;!-- message --&gt;          \nQuote: \n&lt;table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" cellspacing=\"0\" width=\"100%\"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style=\"border: 1px solid rgb(102, 102, 102); padding-right: 3ex; padding-left: 3ex;\" bgcolor=\"#e0e0e0\"&gt;Srila Prabhupada - \"So to go to Krishna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body\". by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda Germany, June 22, 1974&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;  \nSrila Prabhupada “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti ’sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4– Mayapur, February 18, 1977  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada – “You have got original relationship with Krishna. Nitya-siddha krishna-bhakti. . (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay)  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - “Everyone has got a particular relationship with Krishna in his original constitutional position that is called svarupa-siddhi\". (Nectar of Devotion lecture, 20 October 1972, Vrindaban)  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - “Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition ), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna”. Letter to Australian devotees 1972 under Madhudvisa Swami \n  \nSrila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur - “However, because of contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha. . . material rasas are perverted reflections of the soul's original spiritual rasas.” Prema-pradipa, p. 83  \n  \nActually you are a pure devotee but you have forgotten that long, long, long ago, we have allowed ourselves to be covered by the cloud of selfish desires that blocks out our memory of who we really are.  \n  \n  \nTry to understand what Prabhupada is telling us. \n  \nSrila Prabhupada- \"You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand\". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada- \"Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive (Regain, re-establish, wake up from the dream, remember who we really are as a body eternally in a state of originality) our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that (my svarupa body is always in Krsnaloka or Vaikuntha or even both), \"I have nothing to do with (the material world and its bodily vessels my sub-conscious fallen nitya-baddha condition is housed in). I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all\". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - \"You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever (conditioned as nitya-baddha in the material world)\".  \n(Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nSrila Prabhupada -\"You are ever-liberated (meaning in our original and eternal state, we are all nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual but is sometimes overcrowded with cloud (known as the mahat-tattva or material creation that is in one corner of the Spiritual Sky), this is Maya (The cloud is created by Maha-Vishnu and His Wife Maya-Devi, through her powerful s'akti, controls all the bodily vessels occupied by the visiting DREAMING baddha-jivas)\".  \n(Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - \"This is called Maya. Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream\". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nThe English word 'remember' however, is as good as the word 'regain', which Prabhupada uses in his books to descibe that our svarupa bodily form is never lost due to the 'eternal present' however, it can be forgotten due to our dreaming condition on the sub-conscious level of independant self centred desires. Such selfish self planning desires, activated by free will and choice, make us forget Krsna and the perpetual body we serve Krsna as because we want to creat our own existence in the body WE choose in a world without Krsna, in a world where we try to be the master.  \n  \nIn the meantime while we are chasing our dreams of self importance in our dreams that end up being within the dreams of Maha-Vishnu's mahat-tattva, our svarupa nitya-siddha body is ever fresh and in an eternal state of originality because there is only the present, which means past and future do not and can not exist. \n  \nSrila Prabhupada- \"Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive (Regain, re-establish, wake up from the dream, remember who we really are as a body eternally in a state of originality) our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that (my svarupa body is always in Krsnaloka or Vaikuntha or even both), \"I have nothing to do with (the material world and its bodily vessels my sub-conscious fallen nitya-baddha condition is housed in). I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all\". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 \n  \nNothing is lost or regained in Goloka except for our memory and 'awareness' of who we really are, everything is set eternally there is in a state of the living entities 'full potential originality as a nitya siddha embodied devotee of Krsna or Vishnu', which means ALL living entities or jiva sparks, have a Svarupa body that is eternally unchangable, eternally youthful, eternally original and eternal a person with bodily form sat, chit, ananda, VIGRAHA.  \n  \nIf there is no past or future and only the present, then we are all in a perpetual state of originality. Remember, the living entity leaves Goloka not as ones eternal svarupa body, but via their sub-conscious dream, thought and imagination, so just as ones material body never changes while one is dreaming they are a King, ones ‘svarupa’ body never changes while one is living out their dreams in the material world.  \n  \nThe nitya-siddha-svarupa body is eternaly established, fixed and secured perpetually within the ‘eternal present, which is an eternal state of originality’ that has no past and future. This means when one finishes their dreams within the material world and again become ‘aware’ of their full potential ‘svarupa body, it is like waking up from a dream and finding themselves as the body they always were and always have been.  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada explains it this way –“There is nothing to be gained in Goloka, only regained”  \n  \nActually you are a pure devotee but you have forgotten that long, long, long ago, we have allowed ourselves to be covered by the cloud of selfish desires that blocks out our memory of who we really are.  \n  \n  \nTry to understand what Prabhupada is telling us. \n  \nSrila Prabhupada- \"You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion that is material. Try to understand\". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada- \"Actually we are not fallen therefore, at any moment we can revive (Regain, re-establish, wake up from the dream, remember who we really are as a body eternally in a state of originality) our Krishna consciousness. As soon as we understand that (my svarupa body is always in Krsnaloka or Vaikuntha or even both), \"I have nothing to do with (the material world and its bodily vessels my sub-conscious fallen nitya-baddha condition is housed in). I am simply Krishna's servant. Eternal servant. That's all\". In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - \"You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever (conditioned as nitya-baddha in the material world)\".  \n(Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nSrila Prabhupada -\"You are ever-liberated (meaning in our original and eternal state, we are all nitya-siddha). The sky is always spiritual but is sometimes overcrowded with cloud (known as the mahat-tattva or material creation that is in one corner of the Spiritual Sky), this is Maya (The cloud is created by Maha-Vishnu and His Wife Maya-Devi, through her powerful s'akti, controls all the bodily vessels occupied by the visiting DREAMING baddha-jivas)\".  \n(Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - \"This is called Maya. Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream\". (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-Caritamrita, Adi-lila 7.108--San Francisco, February 18, 1967) \n  \nALL living entities were created as sat, chit, ananda in the form of eternal vigraha in the beginning (which paradoxically was beginningless).  \n  \nIn this way, the original residence of all living entities (marginal beings) is their original home Goloka-Vrndavana or Krsnaloka, which is the imperishable Kingdom of God. \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.\" - Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973 \n  \nSrila Prabhupada: You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion, then that is material. Try to understand”. In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971 \n  \nThe paradox here is no one never really leaves Goloka, they only imagine they do by falling out of sync with the 'eternal present' \n  \nThe resulting paradox is that while one is in the material world, they are actually in the material world because not only do they have no memory of their 'eternal svarupa' body, but also they have consciously separated themselves from the eternal present’ where their real eternal bodily self resides. \n  \nIt's almost as if the awareness of the living entities nitya siddha body is suspended within the eternal present because of consciously falling out of sync with the ETERNAL PRESENT’ of Krsnaloka where their 'permanent 'real' bodily self is serving Krsna. (at least it is this way to those who have fallen from the eternal present realm) \n  \nBut actually from the point of view of Goloka, everything is still going on in the service of the Lord in relationships with Krishna and His associates nothing is ever suspended there. \n  \nThe only thing that has changed is the ones awareness of 'eternal time' in relation to 'divided time' - hence it is not a division of consciousness, but rather a division of time. \n  \nActually, when one again becomes aware of their eternal nitya-siddha body and relationship with Krishna, it will be as if their baddha-jiva dreams state never existed. On return to the 'eternal present’, it will be as if they never left because nothing has changed in Goloka. \n  \n1. The 'eternal present' in the imperishable Vaikuntha and Krsnaloka Planets, can never be compared to the mahat-tattva dreams of Maha-Vishnu where the time span of a trillion mahat-tattva material universes, that seem an almost eternity in material time, would only appear no more than a mere moment of time in the eternal Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha) \n  \n2. And the divided time of 'past, present and future' of the perishable mahat-tattva, that has a further distortions of time and space in the higher, middle and lower material planetary systems, were there is even more dimensions of material time and space within the mahat-tattva, different again from our experience and perception of time on our middle earth planet. \n  \nSo we should all try to understand our original position that is our eternal identity in Krsnaloka', as Prabhupada would say’. \n  \nActually there is no birth of the jivas. They are all eternal, like Krishna Himself. Many things in the shastra is said to convince the jivas conditioned in the material world, that their real home is Krsnaloka. There are so many things that Vedic sastra has told us, whereas in reality, in Goloka Vrndavana dhama (Krsnaloka), due to the 'eternal presents', where there is no past or future, these things will be seen in another way.  \n  \nWhat is that other way that many say is conceivable to understand?  \n  \nThe simple answer is, on that level or ‘seeing things in an other way’, is the material creation, of trillion upon trillions of years and life times, will appear no-more than a moment of dreaming in Krsnaloka. \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - “One should be humble and know that he is subordinate to the Supreme Lord. Due to rebellion against the Supreme Lord, one becomes subordinate to material nature. One must know and be convinced of this truth.” Bhagavad-gita, 13.12, purport.  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - “Actually, the living entity is originally the spiritual part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, but due to his rebellious nature, he is conditioned within material nature. It really does not matter how these living entities or superior entities of the Supreme Lord have come into contact with material nature. The Supreme Personality of Godhead knows, however, how and why this actually took place.” Bhagavad-gita, 13.20, purport \n  \nSrila Prabhupada - “It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter, having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment. But when again the soul . . . gains true wisdom of the transcendental region of God . . . he begins to get back his pure essential nature” . . . - Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada, Sri Caitanya's Teachings, p. 323. \nSrila Prabhupada - “In his original state, there is no doubt of enjoyment; therefore, that is his real state.” Bhagavad-gita, 13.21, purport.  \n  \nSrila Prabhupada -“Formerly we were with Krsna in His Lila” Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia \n  \n  \n         &lt;!-- / message --&gt;                                         &lt;!-- sig --&gt;                              __________________ \n                 \n  \n\n  \n     \n  \nThis place of ‘the dreaming’ is called the PERISHABLE mahat-tattva that is a real phenomenon in one cornor of the Spiritual Sky yet is temporary. \"This material creation is the spirit soul's dream, all existence in this world is the dream of Mahā-Viṣṇu\" .4.29.83. \n  \n    \n              \n&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt; \n"
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