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"And a lot of that lip-service is being handed out by a woman with no kids, herself (Oprah).  Does that woman know her audience, or what?    OT, sort of:  A mother, a parent, is what I am, not what I do.  I don't abdicate that responsibility, no matter how tired I am.  But I'm one of the weird ones, I know. Just got back from Maui -- dinner one night was at Hail'e Maile (sorry for the spelling,I'm sure) General Store. Abridged version: The restaurant was high-energy, full of families on vacation, and we didn't go in expecting to dine in quiet.  Table next to us was a few generations of a family.  Littlest girl was taken from the table by whomever was finished with their plate, to cruise around the porch and jump up and down and clap and whatever adorable things children do, and then brought back when she was ready to sit down again This happened several times during the dinner. Her father, when they were leaving, apologized for all the activity next to our table.  We said, \"no problem, cute kid, wish we had that energy, and honestly, we hope you weren't taking her out on our account.\"  His reply?  \"Never too young to learn manners!\"  ::but she wasn't doing anything but being a kid!::  \"Oh, that'll change one day ...\" edited for clarity. \n"
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