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"  We sat in on an intimate conversation with Kathryn Schenker, Sting&amp;#039;s music manager and former publicist to stars like Bob Dylan, Janet Jackson, and Tina Turner, and her daughter Lily Grant, who recently joined her mom&amp;#039;s company, KSM, on the brink of Schenker&amp;#039;s latest project, co-producing Sting&amp;#039;s Broadway musical, The Last Ship. Here, the inseparable duo talk about Grant&amp;#039;s full first sentence, the work life balance, and what it&amp;#039;s like working together.  Related: Like Mother Like Daughter: Jill Stuart and Morgan Curtis What is one of your earliest memories of knowing that your mom worked? Lily Grant: She did a pretty seamless job at managing work and balancing life at home with me. You [to her mother] would go really quickly from taking a business call to baking brownies for the bake sale. Actually, what am I kidding, buying some gourmet brownies down the block and pretending you baked them. Kathryn Schenker: I&amp;#039;m so thrilled that you would say that since one of my most horrific memories is that one of your first full sentences was &amp;quot;not now, I&amp;#039;m on the phone.&amp;quot; You had a pink, princess toy phone and would walk up and down the apartment saying &amp;quot;not now, I&amp;#039;m on the phone.&amp;quot; I sensed that I must have said that too much. LG: But I also think it&amp;#039;s a true testament to how effortless you were. How you streamlined it, going back and forth so quickly. That really showed me how much you loved what you were doing. KS: I think it was important that I worked from home for the first few years. And then when you went to pre-school, I rented the office that we&amp;#039;re sitting in right now, that was literally\u2014and I know, because I timed it\u2014six minutes from your school. For the first five years, I worked at home. And then the fact that the job I had was kind of a fun job, and the people that were at the house with whom I worked were kind of fun people didn&amp;#039;t hurt. Related: Stylish Mothers and Daughters Normal people say, &amp;#039;Remember when Uncle Joey was here,&amp;#039; but in your household, it&amp;#039;s Uncle Sting. There must have been a point when you realized that was unique, Lily? KS: Well she had an Uncle Joey, too. LG: I did have an Uncle Joey, and I felt that I had an extremely normal upbringing on the Upper West Side. I was aware that these people were celebrities, but I think it became crystal clear one day when we were at Carnegie Hall backstage at the Rainforest Foundation Benefit. I was about seven years old. I had taken a few years of piano lessons, and mom was so proud and excited and had me play the piano for everyone in the room. Everyone in the room happened to be Billy Joel and James Taylor, and Sting. And I sat there mortified that I was about to play Hot Cross Buns for the Piano Man. KS: I think you were probably more than six! LG: I hope so! But it&amp;#039;s something that I&amp;#039;ve never forgotten, and he was very kind about it but at the end he told me to &amp;quot;keep practicing.&amp;quot; KS: Oh no, I&amp;#039;m so sorry! The two of you have an exceptionally close relationship. I&amp;#039;m wondering for you, Kathryn, if that was something that you consciously made an effort to do because of your busy life.  KS: No, I don&amp;#039;t think it was conscious. I think I always felt incredibly blessed that I had this miraculous child fairly late in life and she was extraordinary and it was always a privilege and an honor to be her mother. LG: You took me to a lot of the things that you could take me to. I think that you were concerned that there wasn&amp;#039;t enough balance in your life, and that you were going to miss out on being there. Or at least that&amp;#039;s the impression that I got growing up. And I think that you did make an effort to combat that. KS: Well you were the most important thing in my life, so maybe I overcompensated. Maybe I was overbearing about it even. LG: Some would say! KS: Some would say. Jodi [Peckman, Creative Director of Rolling Stone and Schenker&amp;#039;s best friend] used to get mad at me because she would say I was using you as an excuse to stay home all the time. And now the two of you work together.  KS: Yes. That was bumpy. I don&amp;#039;t want her to work as hard as I work, and she does. I want her to work less. I want more for her than this. What do you think that you have picked up from your mother in terms of your career? What skill sets do you use?  LG: I think that my mother is a wonderful communicator, and her advice to me was to read everything I possibly could and to always just keep my ear to the ground, and be passionate about what I was doing. And to always speak up. If you&amp;#039;re not the one in the room speaking up and voicing your opinion then it&amp;#039;s easy for someone to pass over you quickly for opportunities. Can you imagine a world in which your mother didn&amp;#039;t work? KS: I can! LG: No. I can&amp;#039;t, I mean, you to this day! You have so much energy. I feel like you have more energy then I have, it&amp;#039;s intense! I think I just couldn&amp;#039;t imagine just what you would do with that time. KS: Lots of things. Travel, write, take you to Paris. What would you say are your hopes for Lily&amp;#039;s future? KS: My hope for Lily is that she has a wonderful, fulfilled, fantastic life, and that she has a daughter who is as wonderful as she has been for me. LG: I want a posse. KS: Is that because I didn&amp;#039;t give you siblings? LG: Maybe. I couldn&amp;#039;t imagine life now not being an only child\u2026I want a clan. KS: You should see the movie &amp;#039;Shoot The Moon.&amp;#039; I used to love it because the mother had a flock of kids. She had all these little geese following her around. You always reminded me of Sarah Black, following me around. It&amp;#039;s a wonderful movie. Diane Keaton played the mother. Are you surprised with how Lily&amp;#039;s turned out? KS: Yes, I&amp;#039;m surprised at how modest she is, how conservative she is. How straight she is. LG: I have a little edge! Come on! KS: I would have thought that a child of mine, not to mention her father&amp;#039;s, would have been an artist. But, it&amp;#039;s interesting to me, but you know, kids go the opposite way, pretty often. But I count my blessings, and as I said, it&amp;#039;s just been a privilege and an honor to be her mother. LG: Well I certainly have an appreciation for the arts. I think I really enjoyed the energy of the arts and music. I have these memories of being backstage at a rock and roll show and loving the excitement. Knowing that the venue is about to be filled up with thousands of people, and all the moving pieces. KS: Do you remember Bob Dylan saying to you\u2026 LG: &amp;quot;Hey little Kathy?&amp;quot; That was my first Grateful Dead concert that I got to go to. KS: I think you ripped Lou Reed&amp;#039;s sunglasses off his face once, and he may have said &amp;#039;Fuck you!&amp;#039; LG: I knew that I wanted a similar life to what you had. I got that it was cool. I remember when we used to go out to concerts I would very quickly run into your closet and put on all of your clothes. I would put on your high heels that were like, 10 sizes too big, and I&amp;#039;d smear your red lipstick all over my face and I&amp;#039;d say &amp;quot;I&amp;#039;m ready, I can come, too!&amp;quot; And you would say, &amp;quot;No, you&amp;#039;re staying home with the babysitter, this is a 10 o&amp;#039;clock concert, you&amp;#039;re five!&amp;quot; What did you get your mother for Mother&amp;#039;s Day? LG: We went to brunch, walked around SoHo and then went to the Armory Show.  KS: She&amp;#039;s my gift. That&amp;#039;s all I ever wanted was to be with her. Every birthday I used to say to her &amp;#039;just write me a letter&amp;#039;. LG: And I would! KS: And I have a stack of her letters. "^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string>
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