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Monday, 25 March, 2002, 21:00 GMT
Middle East: What hope for peace?
The Israeli army says it has withdrawn fully from the Palestinian territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip - areas it moved into earlier this month.
The move coincides with a visit to Israel by the US Vice President, Dick Cheney.
The Palestinians have said a complete pull-out would clear the way for a ceasefire, but that some Israeli troops have remained in the north of the Gaza Strip.
The occupation of the territories was Israel's biggest military offensive in more than 20 years.
Is the Israeli withdrawal a positive move? What hope is there now for peace?
This debate is now closed. Read a selection of your comments below.
After reading several of these message boards, "Talking Point", I have seen the same thing over and over. People take sides, and show their ignorance. There are many seemingly uneducated people that post comments on this board. The problem with this is that you need to know the whole story, including the history behind what is going on. Also the American public is NOT misinformed about the situations going on in the Middle East and Southeast Asia, people just see what they want to see. It's the same everywhere.
Franklin, Maryland, USA
And what prevents Arafat from taking control of his militants now? He wanted Israel to withdraw - Israel withdrew. They will not stop. Nothing will stop this people.
Israel wants to expand their settlements on land they say they have a right to according to their ancient laws. Do you think Palestinians will be happy after getting a little bit of land to call home? Hardliners on both sides have gripes that go back centuries. It will never be settled until both sides say enough is enough of the bloodshed.
The US government is extremely generous to Israel. They can part with an iota of that generosity, to show that they truly want peace in Middle East and that they have no remorse towards the people of Palestine.
Why doesn't the US and Israel realize that these suicide bombings will continue until Israel really withdraws its tanks from Palestinian territories. They may say they have, but footage and first hand accounts have proven that they still are there. How would you feel if someone came into your backyard and refused to leave because they feel you are a threat to him or her?
If the IRA used suicide bombers in London, how would we react?
Unfortunately there is currently no prospect of peace. The Israeli public wants peace; Sharon has stated that he supports a Palestinian state. However, on the other side Arafat is continuing with a policy of terror against Israeli civilians. Most of the recent suicide bombers are members of his own Fatah faction. He only condemns such acts when pressurised by the Americans or the EU. Israel simply has no reciprocal partner for peace.
General Zinni's mission must not be allowed to fail if there is to be any hope for the peoples of the Middle East. It seems that the American government is the only party that both sides trust, and the European governments should support this American initiative.
I don't think there can be peace unless the Israeli Army is taught the rules of engagement. As a US military man, we are always taught this concept. They are trigger-happy. How do you expect people to behave when the Army have no passion or respect for human life? I feel sorry for the Palestinians with the way they have to live. I feel sorry for some Israelis who want to live in peace. I also feel sorry for the ones who despise peace. Both sides need to get rid of their leadership and start over.
An Israeli withdrawal will absolutely be the first step towards a cease-fire. The attacks on towns and refugee camps only makes the Palestinians more determined to fight back, and since they cannot fight the Israelis conventionally, militant groups use suicide attacks against defenceless civilians. For each new dead Palestinian in Ramallah, Tulkarm, or Jenin, or wherever, many more Palestinian youths are ready to take their place. If the circle of violence were broken from the Israeli side, it would undermine the militant groups legitimacy to use suicide attacks as a weapon.
To Maria Amstad:
If the Israelis didn't arrest terrorists continually then the number of attacks would increase tenfold. It's no surprise that for every one attack we hear about on the news Israelis stop up to 30 others a week. Yesterdays bombing was conducted by a man who was arrested by the PA (an ex-"policeman" for the PA - Muhammed Hashaika) for an attempted bombing in Raanna shopping centre 2 months earlier. He was supposed to be in jail and if the PA had fulfilled their obligations and sidelined their revolving door policy then the 3 people that died and the other 87 injured would be okay now. What else can the Israelis do? If you haven't noticed Palestinian terrorists don't respond to ceasefires and state run PA backed newspaper and TV stations encourage martyrdom during ceasefire periods.
Why can't Israelis refrain from arresting people in Palestine during he "cease fire" periods which are so important for the peace process?
I am not sure if both parties are truly interested in any permanent peace deal. Both Israel and Palestinian Authorities use this conflict as a political weapon to win the hearts of the ordinary people in order to remain in power. It is indeed regrettable that this conflict has become the epicentre of the entire Middle East politics. I believe that the ordinary Palestinians and Israelis have long been praying for peace. Unfortunately, their leaders remain insensitive to the genuine clamour and struggle for peace by the usually innocent victims of this age-long crisis.
Mr "E D Phelan, UK"
You are saying Israel is doing their best and withdrawing. My friend look at the map. They are withdrawing their tanks from the streets back to the checkpoints, a routine strategy for refuelling and rearming! Their troops are everywhere in and around West bank and Gaza, A real "withdrawal" would be from the lands they occupied since 1948, not from the villages they sweep every now and then with their tanks as if there are no humans living in them.
E D Phelan, UK
To DM USA. An interesting idea. Of course, to be fair it would have to work both ways. Within ten years the Palestinians would probably regain most of Israel.
Here is my modest proposal in regard to land for peace. First, let Israel return to the borders that the Palestinians demand. Second, for every unarmed Israeli killed by Palestinian terrorists after the settlement, the Palestinian state gives up ten acres of its area. For each unarmed Israeli injured enough to require hospital treatment, one acre.
TH, if you take a look at UN webpage and download the resolution passed concerning this question, you will see that USA has indeed been active. Together with the Israelis and some small islands nations, they have tried to block almost every attempt to reach a conclusion. What you prefer is obviously that USA ought to be neutral in the matter, but then you should let others take actions that might interfere with your views.
Why is all the pressure put on Arafat and the Palestinians to cease and renounce violence? Hours after the breakdown of the cease-fire talk, Israel raids Palestinian territory to arrests a dozen of those who Israel think threaten their security. Can the Palestinians raid Israel to arrest those who threaten their security? Unless fairness and justice prevails, there will always be objectors and resistance. And fairness and justice cannot be left to Israel, let alone to Sharon.
Itzik Y., Boston, USA
Let Cheney or Powell ride a bus without their secret service protection and see if they continue to criticize their policy!
There is no hope now for peace as long as there is no independent Palestinian state. Palestinians have been preparing these suicide actions for months as a reaction against Israeli attacks. This will not stop until there is a real peace agreement between these two nations. But reaching this agreement had become so complicated that the aim of those terrorist attacks is now quite unclear. Each attack is responded to by an other one and each time a lot of people die. What for?
The West Bank and Gaza are bleak and useless desert. Israel already has its own bleak and useless desert. If Israel knew that it could withdraw to its 1948 borders, (which are much harder to defend due to their ridiculous shape), and KNOW it would be safe from attacks by its Arab neighbours, then it would do so. At the moment, Israel is safer with 3 million discontented Palestinians in its borders than it would be if it withdrew.
Yes, if it is a real withdrawal. But then Israel is still occupying Palestinian land and even building settlements on land which does not belong to them and the UN has said it must stop. Israel ignores the UN just as the US does. When will the US hold the scales of justice and wear a blind fold (as their statue of justice does)? How can the US expect Arafat to control all his people? Does the American President control all the racist hatred leading to murder in many cases in America? It would be childish to believe that could be accomplished. Terror will always exist as long as injustices exist, they go hand in hand.
Once again, we have seen this morning, as on numerous other occasions in the last 18 months, that as soon as the Israeli army withdraws its troops from Palestinian areas, another bomb attack occurs on the Israelis. This demonstrates the need for Israel to take its own steps to guarantee its security as Arafat is unable, or more likely, unwilling to do so.
I hope the Arab States won't be foolish enough to support the action against Iraq just because Bush Administration decided to worry about the situation in Israel and put forward a peace initiative just as they did before the action in Afghanistan. Once the action was over, Americans decided Israel had the right to defend itself at all costs.
Mr. Arafat says he is control of his people, yet if he really wants to be recognized he must stop the killing. If the PLO was to do this to any state such as France or England they would get the snot beat out of them, but a lot of people say Israel should not hold the PLO accountable for their people's actions. I do think that Israel does sometimes react too hard, but if the PLO ends the killings that Israel would go back to the peace table. Remember Israel made an offer at Camp David and the PLO had no response other than to start killing to try to improve its bargaining position. This has helped no one, there can never be peace without talking not killing.
Peter W. Pearce, USA
I am amazed to how misinformed the American public are. For how can a country that is founded on freedom and equal rights, a country that embraces the principle of "give me liberty or give me death", a country that insists on having law as a supreme power, blindly back up Israel? Israel goes on immigrating hundreds of thousands of Jewish people to Palestine from al over the world and gives them housing and jobs (just because the are Jewish), and on the other hand, destroys the Palestinian houses, and abuses them on a daily basis.
We have seen Israel "pull out" before only to re-enter at the slightest provocation. In order for any forward movement on finding an agreement to take place, both sides must have an interest. At this point, I do not believe Sharon has such an interest - only an interest in keeping the United States off his back and staying in power. The most that can be achieved at this point, I believe, is a cessation of most of the violence. The extreme on both sides, whether Hamas or the Israeli settlers, will not stop because it is not in their interest.
I am sick and tired of hearing Israel's restrained retaliations equated to the terrorism that provoked it. America's war on terror is described in the media as heroism, despite the 1000+ civilian deaths that have been caused by it. In comparison, Israel's actions have produced a mere fraction of that death toll, yet Israel is lambasted for "threatening civilians" and itself carrying out "terrorism." Enough with the double standards. Israel has the right and responsibility of defending its civilians using force, in accordance with international law.
S. Donnelly, USA
Numbers don't lie: 1300+ Palestinians killed, 300+ Israelis killed. Who are really the "terrorists" here? And I find it strange that every time a Palestinian is killed by an Israeli, the Palestinian is a "suspected militant"? So I guess those hundreds of mothers killed, were planning to strap explosives to the diapers of the hundreds of children killed, and teach them to walk into Israeli territory.
The USA and UK the "great powers) should impose an interim solution on Israel and Palestine - basically put enormous pressure on both sides to accept Barak's last proposal in addition to a few mosques in Jerusalem run by a neutral/completely disarmed group. It's not a perfect answer, but it's better than all this fighting.
Israel must withdraw from the Palestinian lands and take all the settlers with them if they really mean to work for peace, Palestinian state is a viable one; there is no other choice for the Israelis. They should accept the fact that 2 states and 2 peoples live next to each other with respect and harmony.
Hashem Said, United States
The key issue here is Justice. This single key ingredient Cheney (and others)have failed to address for peace to prevail in the Middle East.
Does the American establishment not realise the link between 11 Sept attacks and the humiliation, unfairness and double standards that the Palestinian people have encountered over the last fifty years ?
Another proof how the western Europeans have seeded hate and misery to all lands they once held as colonies.
Palestinians do not need another 50 years of peace initiatives and American envoys. There should be something tangible on the ground as soon as possible. The Israelis will never accept a Palestinian state. All of what's going on now is only an anaesthetic injection, for Palestinians and Arabs to calm down the bloodshed until it is needed, in order for the American administration, to get the Arab world's support for an attack on Iraq. Then we will witness the killing of Palestinians by Sharon or the next Israeli PM. I am sure that Israelis will never give Palestinians anything.
On the contrary to the current diplomatic effort, the United States should immediately suspend contact with both sides until they each prove to us and the rest of the world that they can behave like human beings.
Do you believe Palestinians would come and blow themselves up if they had tanks, rockets and F16's?
I believe that Shawn from the USA made a point he did not intend to. With regards to his example of Americans attempting to move into Britain because their forefathers were British - this is exactly what the Palestinians are trying to do to Israel by demanding the right to return and live in the heart of Israel proper.
Several months ago, I wrote in about a similar topic on Peace in the Middle East. I was one of very few Americans who spoke out against Israel at that time - now look at the postings. The reason a US Envoy is being sent, I feel, is because the American public is appalled - more of us are now educating ourselves on something that we have chosen to ignore in the past. We are putting pressure on our government, who sends our tax dollars and weapons in support of Israel - to resolve the situation, to stop supporting the horrific tactics of the Israeli's.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy solution to this. As a Native American, I ponder the basis for the fight of "it was our land first" and find that to be a total joke. My ancestors occupied this country long before anyone else set foot on the continent - do you honestly think anyone would sit by and allow Native Americans to take back what was once theirs? Or the argument based on religion - oh please - slaughtering people based on nothing more than the belief in a conceptual being such as "God" or on an Esops Fable of "religion" - those arguments certainly can't support the foundation of peace. To hold any of this above the value of a human life is just something I have a hard time comprehending. Maybe it's my grassroot belief that everyone, everywhere is entitled to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" that is holding me back in my understanding.
The open double standards and absolutely cynical American manipulation of the whole situation is glaringly obvious. America wants to start a war with Iraq because it says Iraq hasn't obeyed UN resolutions (which it has). At the same time, America ignores the 67 UN resolutions that have been passed against Israel (and that America tried to block) which call for a complete withdrawal from occupied territories and return of Palestinian refugees to their homes that are now in Israel.
The world must enforce these UN resolutions against Israel by whaever means. Until this is done, all this talk of 'green lines', 'peace process', 'peace plans' and other meaningless, vacuous statements made up by the media are just that - meaningless gestures.
Wake up people. The Palestinians no longer fear their Israeli occupiers and are prepared to sacrifice their lives for a just cause because they have nothing left and because the world has ignored them for 54 long years. Call them what you want - terrorists, extremists, fundamentalists - whatever. It makes no difference until they get the justice they deserve.
I have to say this and you probably won't post it, but I am shocked how blatant the anti-semitism is in the UK. Remarks like the Jews are a bunch of snobs 'remind me very much of Hitler's speeches prior to 1939.
There are two sides to every conflict and each side has grievances.
Accusing the Israelis of behaving like Nazis is naive and ignorant. I could write a book on what the Palestinians have done to the Israelis.
Somebody on this board is correct when they said " The Europeans hated the Jews for thousands of years when they didn't have a homeland and couldn't fight back. Now they have a homeland and can fight back they are hated even more.
What double standards. I am so glad I moved to America from the UK, where they love to hate Jews and Americans. What sad people.
Sadly, as long as the relationship between the Palestinians and Israel is controlled on both sides by extremist, there is little hope for peace. Those with influence in the region should, however, continue to put pressure on those extremists to pull back from their positions, and open the door for dialogue. No war was ever won on the
battlefield. It is always won after the guns are quiet, and the hearts and minds of people are allowed to heal.
Both sides are not ready for peace. Until both sides can value each other's lives equally there will be no peace.
Hanan Ashwari is the way forward for the Palestinian cause, an intelligent, sensitive and compassionate Christian woman. It's about time to show the Arab leaders how useless they are.
Pretty funny how the "West" chooses who should abide by UN resolutions and who shouldn't. Talk about double standards. Someone needs to put a leash on Sharon.
Robert Morpheal, Canada
The hatred of people of different nationality, colour or religion is known to all of us as racism. The hatred of Jews has its own special word, Anti-Semitism. In the 1940s the Germans tried to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. Are we seeing a picture here? Ask why and try to be a bit more compassionate and a little less self-indulgent and perhaps the rest of the world will look upon you with a little more goodwill.
Israel is facing a very determined foe. At the same time so are the Palestinians.
Assuming no side is prepared to break under force then only a negotiated settlement is going to resolve this dispute. Both sides will have to make concessions.
It's a tragedy that so many people are dying in the Palestinian areas and Israel. But I was surprised last night, watching Question Time, to see and hear one lady in the audience being given free rein to voice her anti-Israeli views. Perhaps someone should have reminded her that recent history has not taught us much. It was only 50 years ago that British forces were doing to the Israelis, what the Israelis are doing now to the Palestinians.
Yesterday's terrorists are tomorrow's politicians? It's a complex arena and it's not going to be solved overnight, but moderation on both sides will be necessary. And more informed and balanced debate will help.
In the latest of it's outrages Israel has killed more that fifty people, wounded hundreds, destroyed countless homes and cars, detained thousands of innocent men. Now they're withdrawing.
Concession? Do me a favour!
Andy, UK living in US
Please please read this so you don't continue to be misinformed by IamJoseph, Australia about the origins of the Jewish homeland. This is so ridiculous, do us Britons trace our ancestry (very difficult beyond the 16 century) and say well our real ancestors came from mid-Europe 2000 years ago, therefore I think I am going to claim back my plot of what is now Germany - I think not! Only the Jews can use history from 2000 years ago to plead for land that is no longer theirs. Jews as a race lived worldwide and in 1912, the British in the infinite wisdom offered the Jews a homeland in Uganda which was rejected. Eventually they settled on Palestine. The problem however was that this land was inhabited by 700,000 Arabs and about 50,000 Jews (only 10% of the population). Strange how a minority group in this country can not only take over someone else's home but also then oppress those same people whom they evicted in 1948.
Have the Jews learnt nothing after their heinous treatment by the Nazis - the Palestinians are paying for Europe's treatment of your race.
You mention ancient Palestine as covering areas including Jordan. To be perfectly honest this view is shared by many hard-line right wing Jewish extremists in Israel - if they could they would extend their occupation across Jordan and into Iraq. Thanks heavens you will never get the chance. This occupation the world will not stand for, albeit they have ignored the Palestinians plight for so long. The Jews now will have to accept an Arab Palestine, resurrected after 50 years of occupation and oppression from the Israelis. It would be very foolhardy for Israel or any Jew to promote the view that their homeland should extend further than it currently does. Be satisfied, you took another's home, dignity and future and yet you want more.
Darren Badrock, England
To IamJoseph: A quick history lesson from the Bible (old testament). The Israeli came out of Egypt and like a plague of locus devoured and destroyed everything in sight, land, people and cattle. If you ever read any ancient history you will soon understand that there is no such thing as pure-blooded. There are no pure-blooded Jews as there are no pure-blooded Italians, English or people of any other nation. In our history we have invaded and been invaded by many nations (wherever you come from), but especially in Israel and Palestine. At the moment, to the rest of the world, the Jews are a bunch of stuck up snobs who are killing people who are of the same blood as them simply because they have a different imaginary friend from you. Grow UP!
There will never be peace in Israel whilst Sharon leads Israel. I think he is a fascist. The Palestinian's don't deserve the treatment they are getting from Israel - they deserve a place to live.
Henry Diab, Sweden
Someone here said ARAFAT=NO PEACE. Sorry to disagree but historically ARAFAT embarked on peace with a former Israeli PM Rabbin until Rabbin was assassinated by an alleged ultra orthodox right wing Israeli. This was probably the start of the downward slide. What we have to ask is if this was a lone act or sanctioned by other right wing elements.
Sharon is not the answer, look at his track record! At the end of the day the two peoples will have to sit down and talk peace. Britain and America have responsibilities here from a historical and power brokerage point of view. The Palestinians must be given a state, how that is achieved and what time scale is a question yet to be answered. My heart goes out to both factions, be brave and fight the war for peace.
Livesey, USA - I don't think you understand that these Western do-gooders actually are the ones that send Israel the weapons that they use! If you watch the news any weapons seen being used by the Army is sent from the US. All the "aid" money is being sent from the US. Most of the equipment and manpower comes from US contribution. Before prodding something you don't understand try looking for the historical facts first.
Is the present US flip just another cynical exercise to appease neighbouring Arab states on the virtues for ridding the world of Saddam Hussein. After gaining Arab favour they'll undoubtedly drop the Palestinian cause as a dead brick and back Israel to the hilt, so let's see what happens. This is about US interest and this has never been equated with taking the moral highground. End the illegal occupation now. Israel has broken more UN resolutions than anybody else. Luckily I'm not Palestinian and have not had to endure the last 35 years of a brutal and harsh occupation. However maybe Arafat is passed his use by date, move over and lead Mr Barghouti.
Mr Offir Kline talk of treating the Palestinians well is rubbish; Israel present leader is responsible for massacring over 3000 women and children in their refugee camps, for which he earned the nickname as Butcher of the Middle East.
To David, Canada: You are not the same as you were 50 years ago. Then you were the oppressed now you are the oppressors. And please, it insults my intelligence to listen to "professional victimologists" playing the same tune again and again. A country with such a powerful military, powerful lobbies, having practically the US government in their back pocket doesn't sound
like a victim to me. I feel sorry for the poor Palestinians because they are up against something formidable.
On a final note I think ordinary, peace loving Israelis are suffering too as a result of the war mongering appetite of their PM who personally, I think, should stand side by side with Slobodan Milosevic.
Why does the BBC never put distances on the Israeli maps? Perhaps people would appreciate the real size of the country and look at the security concerns in a different light
For KEVIN THOMAS, USA: yes, but the annexation of southern states by the USA in the 19th century will change back within the next 20-50 years. Just see how Mexicans are taking them back slowly, but surely. They also reproduce faster than you. Do the maths and start learning Spanish.
When ovens start burning Palestinians by the thousands every day, then people can compare Israel to the Nazis. Until then, you're all deluded beyond reason.
What Rubbish! Offir Kline considers that the UN is irrelevant, but this is the organization that created Israel in the first place.
To Moe, Palestine: you claim that Sharon tries to kill as many Palestinians as he can. How come that in this "full scale war" only handful of people got killed and most of them were armed...
I understand that European countries are still can't live with the idea that Jews have their own country and I see that it hurts UK that their own former colony is now independent State. But please be realistic - God sees everything and know everyone who tells a lie.
Why do you write "died" when an Israeli was killed? You choose different words for the Palestinian deaths!
For those like
Craig, UK>, Santiago Ochoa, Venezuela, Malik, USA: Maybe David K, USA, is right, maybe you want Jews to be as they were, in same conditions for thousands of years - bit the Jew, kick him, don't worry, he will not fight back. Jew is not allowed to fight back. Maybe...
And second of all, how come all "innocent and unarmed civilians" are fighting so successfully and also somehow always have Kalachnikovs on them? Pure babies... They don't have any ammunition. Believe me, open your eyes - they have and almost everyone of them.
C.M. Gantner-Caplan, Liechtenstein
To Craig: the surrounding states of Israel are Arab states, and does this make you feel threatened? They are also mostly Moslem. They are the teachers of Islam all over the world. And they are getting stronger and stronger because of provocative evil words like yours.
Stop referring to these countries as "Arab states"! Are the US, UK or France "White states"? Is Zimbabwe a "Negro state"? It just shows the ignorance, arrogance and brainless racism that informs people in 'the West', that you feel okay bunching such culturally diverse countries, with different forms of dress, music, art and (yes) religion together under the term 'Arab'. Indonesia (I believe) is the largest Islamic state on Earth. How many 'Arabs' live there? What about Pakistan? Grow up!
Unfortunately I think the only way a hawk like Sharon understands is for Nato to do the same thing they did in Serbia.
One must not forget that it was his action on Temple Mount which sparked this second Intifada.
Mr. IamJoseph, from Australia said "Palestine was and should be today the Jewish homeland"
But it seams that he really neglected the rights of the Jews who turned Christian, and the Jews who turned Moslem and the Christians who turned Moslem through the years, If you go through history, you will see that mankind went through all phases of disbelieving, believing, migrating willingly and un willingly, so you cannot just claim any land to belong to a certain religion, the land belongs to the people who have been living on it for thousands of years, whatever there religion is.
I am appalled by Offir Kline's comments. Yes I have been under attack of terrorists for 6 years while living in Algeria. Yes I have lost family members to Muslim fundamentalists. Still, I say to you: "You are the one who has no idea."
How would you like someone (England) to come over a land that has rightfully been yours for thousand of years and occupy it? Then because of some promise made by a politician, they bring some other people (non-Palestinian native Jews) to your land and tell you: "Hey, the better half of your land, the one with all the good soil, is theirs. Deal with it." Of course you fight back! You lose, they take more land, you fight again and lose; more land is gone. Then you've got nothing left. You live like a rat, not because your culture is inferior, but because that's how constant oppression and injustice leaves you. The kingdom of Israel only existed thousand of years ago for less than a century; if it actually ever did exist. So what gives you the right to claim this land as yours?
I am truly astonished at the pictures of the "would-be suicide bomber".
If you look at the picture next to the last, you can see the man is naked and has no explosive belt strapped to his waist.
Then in the last one, the belt appears.
I don't know what to think.
I spent five years in Jerusalem as a diplomat. My wife was hurt in a terrorist attack.
I have great respect for Israel and their people, but things like this must be investigated.
Chee Choong, Malaysia
Offir Kline of Israel, like Mr Sharon, is unfortunately the kind of persons who will ensure that this tragedy continues. They claim Israel has the right to exist. That's Ok. But they also claim (and demonstrate by their actions) that Palestine does NOT have a right to exist - do they not remember that Hitler once claimed that the Jews had no right to exist?
Sharon doesn't want peace and Arafat can't control the terrorists. There's been too much history on both sides, and both sides have legitimate issues that the other refuses to recognize. Even if moderates accept a peace plan there are extremists on both sides who would rather continue the violence rather than compromise. Without radical changes in leadership on both sides, the only effective solution is to nuke the entire area into so much glass, leaving nothing to fight over and nobody to fight over it.
I must reply to Maggie from USA.
Your opening sentence displays your ignorance of the situation.
Israel became a state almost 54 years ago, not 60.
What kind of self-defence is it to blow up an eatery where there are young children armed with nothing more than "deadly" pizza?
Or when young Palestinian kids throw stones and an Israeli 9 month old baby in the back of a car gets killed as a result?
I often think that Israel would be far better off if it had simply annexed the occupied territories in about 1975. Something on the order of what the USA did with California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas.
Peace initiative is nothing but a sexy topic for a bunch of corrupt American politicians and the White House to avoid dealing with the ugly situation that they have imposed on the weak and poor nation of Palestine.
U.S. should stop support of Israeli government.
Instead US must pay to rebuild hospitals, schools and the Palestinian infrastructure. After all, good old U.S. of A pocketed plenty of cash selling weapons of mass destruction to Israel.
As an Israeli, I cannot take criticism of Israel by Europeans seriously. The reality is that the Europeans have been busy persecuting, butchering and expelling the Jews for 2000 years- from the deicide accusation to the Inquisition to the Crusades to the Hep Hep riots to Dreyfus to pogroms to the Shoa. Every European nation is guilty. Of course, now that the Jews have a country of our own, many Europeans are still against us.
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