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Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Appeal
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A friend wants the Latin Collecta, Super Oblata, and Post Communionem for Blessed John Henry Newman. I've got the Collect, but, curiously, don't seem to be able to find the other two. Could somebody help?
Deus, qui beatum Ioannem Henricum presbyterum lumen benignum tuum sequentem pacem in Ecclesia tua invenire contulisti: concede propitius; ut, eius intercessione et exemplo, ex umbris et imaginibus in plenitudinem veritatis tuae perducamur. Per.
Incidentally, I wonder if somebody can find in the euchology of the Latin Church another example of the construction contulisti + accusative + infinitive (= "didst grant that X should do Y"). It reads oddly to me, but that's probably because I've spent too long staring at it straight in the eye ... I wouldn't have batted an eyelid if the text had read "fecisti".
UPDATE A kind reader has supplied the texts for the Liturgia Horarum, but not the Secret and the Postcommunion for the Mass, which are what my friend needs for Friday morning.
How about the Preface of the Apostles, quos óperis tui vicários eídem contulísti præésse pastóres?
"Common of a bishop, not a martyr," perhaps?
These are the Latin propers authorised by the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
BEATI IOANNIS HENRICI NEWMAN, PRESBYTERI
Londinii natus anno 1801, officiis clerici anglicani atque Socii collegii Oxoniensis vulgo Oriel nuncupati plus quam viginti annos functus est. Ecclesiae primitivae historiam enixe perscrutatus, ad fidem catholicam pedetemptim attractus, anno demum 1845 in unicum Redemptoris ovile, ut ait, receptus est. Sacerdotio catholico auctus anno 1847, Oratorium Sancti Philippi Nerii in Anglia instituit. De variis rebus multa magno effectu scripsit. Ut humilis atque ardens pastor laudatus, qui lumine suo intellectuali Ecclesiam valde illustraverat, anno 1879 a Papa Leone XIII in Collegium Cardinalium aggregatus est. Birminghamiae mortuus est die 11 augusti anno 1890.
De Communi pastorum: pro presbyteris.
Deus, qui beátum Ioánnem Henrícum, presbýterum,
pacem in Ecclésia tua inveníre contulísti,
ut, eius intercessióne et exémplo,
ex umbris et imagínibus
in plenitúdinem veritátis tuae perducámur.
And for the Office:
E Scriptis Beati Ioannis Henrici Newman, presbyteri
(Apologia Pro Vita Sua, Chapter V: Position of My Mind since 1845, London 1864, pp. 238-239, 250-251)
Tamquam fluctibus agitatum in portum me tandem venisse videbatur
Ex illa die qua catholicus factus sum et deinceps, nihil plane sententiarum de religione narrandum plus habeo. Mentem autem nequaquam pigram reliqui neque a ratiocinationibus theologicis abstinui, sed neve variationes in cogitatione neve sollicitudines in corde referre valeo. Omnis dubii expers, in pace perfecta atque tranquillitate hucusque vivo. De intellectu vel moribus a die conversionis meae mutatis nihil conscius sum. Etenim, nec fidem in veritates Revelationis principales firmiorem, nec mei compotiorem, nec meipsum ferventiorem sentiebam. At tamquam fluctibus agitatum in portum me tandem venisse videbatur; unde meipsum usque ad hodiernam diem beatum iugiter aestimo.
Neque articulos insuper qui de symbolo anglicano desunt difficiles receptu inveni. Nonnullos enim iamdudum acceperam; omnibus autem absque periclitatione consensi. Quos in die receptionis sine ulla disceptatione professus sum, eosdem etiam nunc ita confiteor. Sunt enim difficultates intellegendi in omnibus symboli christiani articulis sive a catholicis sive a protestantibus professis quas neque negare neque simpliciter me solvere posse assevero. Ac tametsi multi sunt qui difficultates in Religione sentiant, quorum ego unus sum, coniunctionem tamen numquam videre potui inter apprehensionem illarum difficultatum, quamvis acute et quotquot sint, et dubitationem doctrinarum cum quibus coniunctae sunt. Decem milia enim difficultates ne singulum quidem dubium gignere posse mihi videtur, eo quod difficultates nequaquam dubiis commetiuntur. Difficultates enimvero in argumentis prorsus adesse possunt; hic autem de difficultatibus in ipsis doctrinis intrinsecis vel quoad earundem doctrinarum relationes in alterutras loquor. Scilicet ut aliquis vexatur dum quaestionem mathematicam solvere non potest, etiam cum solutio illi sive praestita sive retenta est, sed non dubitat quin solutio admitti possit vel solutio quaedam vera exsistat. Ex omnibus fidei dogmatibus, mea sententia valde difficillimum est quod Deus exsistat, sed mentibus nostris quam potentissime imprimitur.
Sunt tamen qui doctrinam Transubstantiationis difficilem creditu aiunt. Ego quidem, quum illae doctrinae non credideram donec catholicus essem, nihilominus simul ac Ecclesiam Romanam Catholicam esse oraculum Dei cognoveram, atque eam docuisse istam doctrinam ab origine esse revelatam, facillime credidi. Quod hanc doctrinam mente concipere sit arduum, immo impossibile, libenter concedo; sed quomodo sit difficile huic credere, quaeso. Toto vero dogmati revelato, ab Apostolis docto et Ecclesiae tradito et ab Ecclesia mihi declarato, credo; atque ut nunc interpretatur et, implicite, sicut ab illa auctoritate cui commissum est praeterea simili modo interpretabitur usque ad consummationem saeculi, idem accipio. Insuper illis traditionibus semper et ubique in Ecclesia receptis, in quibus res continetur definitionum dogmaticarum interdum declaratarum, et quae in omnibus saeculis dogmati Catholico iam declarato textum et exemplum praebent, adhaereo. Aliis quoque Sanctae Sedis sententiis, sive theologicis sive non, per instrumenta a se statuta procedentibus, quaestione utrum infallibilitate sint praeditae praetermissa, quibus saltem parere atque obtemperare debeo, me submitto. Existimanda est porro, ut opinor, Catholicae fidei investigatio paulatim per saecula species certas et varias assumpsisse, in formam scientiae se exstruxisse, ratione et locutione sibi propriis a doctissimis sicut Athanasio, Augustino atque Thoma de Aquino evolutis, se ornasse; neque talem hereditatem intellectualem nobis his posterioribus diebus legatam ullo modo dirumpere vellem.
RESPONSORIUM Eph 3,7, 10: Joh 16,13
R. Evangelii factus sum minister secundum donum gratiae Dei, quae data est mihi secundum operationem virtutis eius, * ut innotescat per ecclesiam multiformis sapientia Dei.
V. Cum autem venerit ille, Spiritus veritatis, deducet vos in omnem veritatem.
R. Ut innotescat per ecclesiam multiformis sapientia Dei.
Does anyone have a friend in one of the English Oratories who might have propers for the 1960 Roman Breviary office? (I know they'd be unofficial, but the Birmingham Oratory is putting on I Vp of the Feast on 8 October, and they must be using *something.*)
I do not think that there are any specific propers for the Mass other than the collect; they are simply supplied from the common.
Ben of the Bayou said...
I could only echo the suggestion of Vox Cantoris. It seems as if the Congregation authorised only a Collect, the rest being supplied from the Common.
Pastor in Monte said...
Brian M: It was I who prepared the booklets for Birmingham Oratory Vespers on the day of the beatification, and I believe they are still in use there. Indeed Fr Hunwicke contributed the translation of the hymn for the booklets. As far as I remember, it is simply the common of a confessor not a bishop with the proper collect for JHN.
Yes, we still use the booklets produced by Pastor in Monte, and very nice they are, although the number available diminishes each year, as people take them home for their own use!
In recent years, we have also sung Fr Hunwicke's Salve Fundator at the end of Vespers.
There was some discussion in 2009/2010 about producing Proper texts for the EF, but nothing ever came of it, which means that for both the Mass and the Office, we have to use the texts from the Common of a Confessor not a Bishop with the OF Proper collect. For my own private recitation of the Office, I normally use the readings from the Commune Doctorum with the OF reading from the Apologia punctuated by the appropriate responsories as the Second Nocturn.
Fr. Christopher George Phillips said...
Thank you all. We'll be celebrating on October 9th the Latin OF with the faculty and students of The Atonement Academy at Our Lady of the Atonement Church, San Antonio, Texas. I'm grateful to Fr. Hunwicke for the Collect, and from your guidance I will go to the Common for everything else.
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