text: they can't be trained, or prodded, my dear. Has to come from within, when they realize it's the right thing to do. I'm not talking about fawning over the girl and kissing her feet to do everything she pleases; I'm talking about actually listening to her and knowing what she likes and doesn't, what she'd want to try. For example: I knew a girl who wanted to try Indian food.  she mentioned this once; so without saying a thing before, next time we went to dinner, we tried one. She instantly remembered telling me - mucho points for Eli! So be patient - or look for a guy who actually listens to you! - Eli