text: Again, I don't think you can assess any of those issues for someone else, let alone a poster on a blog who might be talking about things that you don't understand. There are limits to all communication. 
  
  
  As to your assertions about whether or not there are fruits from the changes of V2, the evidence doesn't seem to reside on all one side. The ones who left were most impacted by being raised pre-V2, including many of the posters on here. I was raised in that time; however, like many others of those from the pre-days, I moved well into the post-days. I am not fallen away at all. 
  
  
  I agree with you that none of us should declare that we understand the workings of the Holy Spirit, one way or another. 
  
  
  As to your assertions that the few Catholics who 'go trad' are 'the many', that is not the case in the U.S. Not sure what country you are in, but the post-V2 Church has been a surprise to outsiders looking at the U.S. because of its health and liveliness.