text: "Anyone who believes that Putin is not trying to interfere in NATO countries in any way that he possibly can, is either being disingenuous, or just naive."
  
  And anyone who thinks that the US Government does not do the exact same thing to those countries it deems as enemies as well as its own allies (as evidenced by the admitted tapping of ally political figures communications, i.e. Merkel) is equally disingenuous or just clueless.