text: Of course there was there was also the whole thing where Jacob Zuma lied and said he was not given a chance to respond when in fact he had and so Madonsela released the transcripts. This was apparently worthy of investigation by Mkhwebane. And then there was also the money they tried to claim from her for her car. So what we had then was a woman of tremendous courage and integrity who had a strained relationship with a woman who had question marks over her from the beginning. I knew where I stood on that one.
  
  On your second point, ANC leadership and parliamentarians may be rotten now but, to be fair, they were the liberation party and did much for the country. It wasn't so long ago that we were happy we didn't descend into civil war. And that's not even mentioning the government we had before the ANC. South Africa's history is longer than 20 years.