text: I was with you all the way, utilitas, until I reached your third paragraph when you rolled over into your usual rant against progressives, and your so foolish claim of "Hillary was utterly defeated."  Read your own first line, and then explain how you can (like Mr. Trump) hold opposite positions at the same time.  And your line of "Hillary was utterly defeated," and Trump won!" is also in opposition with your opening statement.  Talk about 'hard to dialogue" when trads talk out of both sides of their mouth, if you get my meaning.  A little restraint goes a long, long way in being heard.  Now, I've forgotten what I was agreeing with you on.......