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14 Apr 2015 23:03:33
Anyone interested in Coutinho right now Eds? With his superb individual performances this season I wouldn't be a surprise to see teams better than us in the CL chasing him. I am worried they could easily turn his head, If he had the players of his quality around him he could achieve totals worthy of some of the all time greats really. If a team comes in for him I would doubt our ability to convince him this is the right place. {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

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14 Jan 2018 21:18:47
What did you make of robertson tonight ed001?

{Ed001's Note - had a good game, but then his main problem has been his decision making in attack for us and he never had to do any of that last night. He is obviously not used to playing for a team dominating possession and attacking constantly, this was him in his comfort zone able to play the game he is used to. In time he will, hopefully anyway, get the hang of when and where to cross in attack.}

1.) 15 Jan 2018 04:33:58
Ed please do the match report🙏🙏🙏🙏. {Ed001's Note - I will do as soon as I have done the match preview for tonight's Prem game.}

2.) 15 Jan 2018 05:03:15
I thought he had a cracker, I agree his attacking abilities could be better but frankly I’d rather we had the defence nailed down first as if we’re going to go up against the best we need a solid defence more than we need goals.

His first game for Liverpool he showed he can cross the ball with whip and pace so hopefully that piece will fall into place too. {Ed001's Note - to be honest, I would rather our fullback played as he did tonight. For me that is how a fullback should play. None of this charging up the pitch as soon as we get the ball malarkey. They should be defenders first and foremost, leave the attacking to the attackers and support them, rather than being the focal point.

The only time you should ever look to fullbacks to be key attackers is when you play against ten men and need the width to stretch the play or a Sam Allardyce defensive line playing so deep it is like they have 5 keepers and 5 defenders.}

3.) 15 Jan 2018 05:42:51
Agree 100%.

4.) 15 Jan 2018 05:49:59
So basically we play Moreno and TAA against the bus parkers like Everton, Man Utd, West Brom etc and use Robertson and Gomez against the teams that actually have a go at us. So many rotational options even at full back for Klopp to use, and we did not even break the bank for them!

5.) 15 Jan 2018 05:52:35
Him pressing the City goal keeper and defenders though. One of the best moments of the match.

I would have him ahead of Moreno everytime. With klopp at the helm he could learn the attacking side of things too.

6.) 15 Jan 2018 07:39:56
Pak, I was telling myself at that time that, "Oh, Robbo is on the loose. Someone pls, rope him in. He's off the deep end". Lol. Seriously like you, that was the part of the game that made my most proud.

7.) 15 Jan 2018 08:26:31
Ed1 on the money again. Robbo defending first attacking second propsr full back play. Well done lad.

07 Nov 2017 12:18:22
What about the biggest villain of my childhood, Federico Macheda.

1.) 07 Nov 2017 13:38:32
You mean Ronaldo Mk2?

2.) 07 Nov 2017 14:35:17
how old (I mean young) must you be to have him as a villain of your youth. God i must be old at 38.

3.) 07 Nov 2017 14:55:37
I know mikey, making me feel ancient now.

4.) 07 Nov 2017 17:25:45
I am 21 and have read this site since I was 12. Back when it was just football-rumours. Federico Macheda ruined my life, martin tylers voice crack still haunts me.

5.) 07 Nov 2017 18:04:15
I'm 24 in January, beef. If it makes you feel better it get's easier to block out Martin Tyler as you get older. Your hearing starts going over the next few years (and your hair) .

He goes so high pitched that the frequency of his voice is close to 20KHz. As you age, you hearing upper range falls to about 18Khz and his voice is inaudible to your old git ear drums 😁.

31 Aug 2017 23:20:20
Does anyone follow the youth teams? Any good looking CBs in our developmentm mean football talent too before anyone gets smart!

We will surely need them could easily picture Gomez and Matio injured at same time.

Btw it's still not the absolute end of the world that we didn 't get Van Dijk this window I do thunk he will join eventually. Just my opinion of course there.

1.) 01 Sep 2017 00:33:39
Maybe ask 23carragher he might know he usually does the reports on the guys on loan, probably your best bet.

2.) 01 Sep 2017 00:40:56
No one in the U23s or U18s team are ready to play for the first team as a CB yet.

On a brighter side, with Flanagan, Markovic, Bogdan, Brannagan all still LFC players, the U23s will be pretty strong this time around.

3.) 01 Sep 2017 00:41:55
I should say I jest. Ludicrous that the club kept Bogdan, Markovic, Brannagan (injured currently) and Flanagan and also kept Ward as the 3rd choice keeper.

4.) 01 Sep 2017 07:02:14
What about that young lad, must be 16/ 17 and is 6 foot 10?

12 Aug 2017 14:54:05
We scored 3 goals today without coutinho, and they were well created. Once again individual poor lapses led to the goals we conceeded. Matip poor pass to henderson led to the corner 20 secs later, Emre Can tried stupid back heel leading to throw-in to 2nd goal, Gomez awful needless foul for a player going nowhere which led to the impending pressure. Okay on that one Wijnaldum should have done better and the goal should not have stood anyway. But the point is, how on earth can you fix that?

1.) 12 Aug 2017 15:04:12
I hadnt finished, I meant to add that it is real bad luck that all of those mistakes led to goals. These mistakes happen from time to time to vast majority of players very often, mistakes happen they just don't always lead to goals. What can you do about that?

2.) 12 Aug 2017 15:10:30
Spot on. Individual errors cost us 3 points. What on earth is Gomez doing conceding a free kick there with 2 mins to go? That is schoolboy stuff. They were only ever going to score from a set play so why gift them that opportunity?

Second goal clearly Henderson's fault for not tracking his man.

And don't even get me started about the shambolid defending that led to the first goal.

The other worry - again a repetition of last season - is that we didn't take our chances. We had more than enough to kill the game and ultimatelty it was our failure to convert them that cost us the 3 points.

29 Jun 2017 22:31:28
Right then lads, it's story time. It's Thursday night and there is a pizza in the oven, I got 10 minutes to kill approx and a recent subject has come up that does irritate me so I wish to vent and see what other fans think. These days I completely seperate myself from the financial side, money is absolutely crazy so if we overspend, I don't care, not my money. I just enjoy the football. It so happens that my first ever shiny football card was big Sami, how was I to know that he played for the best club in the world. Liverpool chose me and I love to watch them.

Now the recent discussion of Suso has brought back all the annyoing things that I used to let get to me in this one particular area of Liverpool FC. That is youth recruitment. Jordi Brauer, Damien Plessis, Nabil El Zhar, Pacheco, Nemeth, Kristoffer Peterson, Adorjan, Gerardo Alfredo Bruna Blanco; the "Messi of Madrid" just of the top of my head. Now, I have no doubt that whoever made the decisions on bringing these players in thought that the were genuinely special talents with a significant chance of serving the club with distinction. For one reason or another, these players did not make it at Liverpool. Now take the case of Suso. 16 years old the boy comes to Liverpool to play football, immediately in his young age it is clear to see his talent, more ability than any of his peers in the u18s. He worked his way up and we were patient, he got his chance and he looked calm, fearless, he didn't get his head down if something didn't come of. He was a very decent squad option and went on to have a succesful loan at Almeria. Now maybe he decided he wanted to leave because he didn't want to keep waiting on the first team chances and could have been more patient, I am not privy to that situation. The point here is this; even Suso didn't make it for us. We had never bought in a player for the youth team who looked the part as much as Suso did, and he didn't make it. I haven't forgotten Sterling, even though he too was brilliant for the u18s even at 15, pace is such a huge factor for him, and let's be honest he was important to our squad but he really only had about 20 odd good games for us. That's by the by, we go to the trouble to bring in all these foreign kids at a very young age and for what? Nothing. Not even profit. All this investment into signing 16 year olds for the future, and none of them are now in our squad. What is the definition of madness? WHAT IS THE POINT IN US SIGNING THESE KIDS, IT NEVER WORKS FOR US. The ONLY reason we should sign a player is if they immediately improve the team. Even Solanke, I like him, he looks good and hopefully he doesn't follow the same path as previously mentioned. Another one Chirivela, when I first saw him once again, he is out of place in youth football. Well he won't get a chance for us now, he is too far down the order. Another exceptionally talented lad joins and will go down as a failure.

Well that is what bothers me guys, why do we bother at all going to the trouble of bringing these players in. For me it is absolutely futile and a foolish waste of money. I cannot stress it enough it LITERALLY NEVER works for us. It's Lunacy. Does this bother anyone nearly as much as it does myself?

1.) 29 Jun 2017 23:47:06
To make a slight alteration to your statement it literally 'hasn't' happened.

Every club looks to hoover up young talent in the hope that they get the one that turns out to be world class and it is basically hope, it's almost impossible to know how good a teenager will end up being.

This means there are hundreds of kids who are regarded as the next big thing but only a small handful are actually that good and it's luck of the draw that your team nabs one.

Liverpool will keep searching for the next Messi because it doesn't cost very much and if we do ever find him he'll pay for the academy and scouts many times over.

2.) 29 Jun 2017 23:31:24
It goes back to the way the club as a whole is mismanaged.
The best young players have to have a route to playing for the first team. I tell you this, Gerrard, Fowler, McManaman and Owen all had a route to the first team planned out for them. If they had been youth players now for us, they may not have made it.
The managers and owners would rather see us blow tens of millions on a 26yr old and get 3 good years out of him than wait for a Gerrard to come through and give us 15yrs of world class. They're idiots.

3.) 29 Jun 2017 23:36:42
Every transfer has an element of risk involved. be it first team or youth level. You can't just not bother signing players in case they don't work. majority of young players we have sold or released or whatever have unfortunately not come to anything. There is the odd few that have ie san Jose but some players aren't cut out for English football and thrive in a different environment. Just how it is. no it doesn't bother me. i think as a club it would be nice to be a bit more patient with players but that applies to majority of top clubs. like them all we are impatient in waiting for the next Gerrard or whatever. they don't come along very often and if they don't make the grade by a certain age they are out the door.

4.) 30 Jun 2017 00:43:39
If they where youth players now Ron id loan out Owen.

5.) 30 Jun 2017 00:57:51
I have a younger brother, who was once played football during his youth. He had a trial, and after that was chosen to join an academy or a football school or something like that.

The coach once came to my father and told him that my brother was an exceptional talent. The coach even went as far as saying that he haven't seen such a talent for a very long time, and that the skills my brother possessed were so good that he even regarded my brother as far superior talented than most of the current pro footballers in the country.

However, he also said that my brother was very hard to coach. He turned up for training early, yes, and didn't miss any of the training. Only that he was very stubborn to follow instructions, and tend to play on his own rather than following the instructions and strategy the coach had in mind during games and such. The coach is a popular figure in my country still when it comes to football.

So, my brother failed. He wasn't selected or signed for the next stage or level of the academy/ school. He returned to his normal school, continued playing football with friends during weekends, and that was it. Now, 15 years have passed, he is not playing at all not even futsal.

I am not sure if this case is relevant to the discussion. I felt that, as much as we might see such talent or potential in a player, in kids, there are loads more to be considered than just that. Disciplinary issues, I think one of the Eds did share previously on some of LFC youngsters such as Robinson, but maybe there were some others as well, like the case of my brother. {Ed001's Note - I think your coach should be nowhere near kids football, if that is how he thinks. Terrible work on his part and he is the one that failed your brother.}

6.) 30 Jun 2017 01:10:20
Brilliant post great read. It seems instant success and the inpatients of fans is partly to blame. We only have to look at karius situation to know that youngsters will not be given the right time to develop In the first team. Although klopp has played a few youngsters in his rein none have really played themselves into the team or been given enough time with the first team.

Liverpool is so badly mismanaged from the grass roots to the top . We have spent astronomical amounts of money on players and at times bang average players have stalled the growth of our youngsters. Our fans are to blame partly as we are quick to turn on them or at least let them know they are playing bad. To manage their development properly we will need to maybe change a lot an identify similar loan clubs to ensure our players get experience away from the trolls . Suso was a silky player who had something special but he needed game time even 20 mins a game would have helped him. brannagan is another who has disappeared from the opportunity to make it as a decent player.

I see us doing more damage to the youth with even more signings and awful loans . I love lfc and klopp but this summer has highlighted some pathetic practices with regards to our youth ban and vvd . Our instant success formulae is a joke we have failed to win the epl and we have one of the highest wage bills and spent loads. {Ed001's Note - you only have to look at how people want rid of Origi to see how impatient so many fans are.}

7.) 30 Jun 2017 02:37:03
Its not just about the talent they possess its more to do with their mentality. I could name many young players who had all the talent in the world but not the mental focus to fulfil their talent.

8.) 30 Jun 2017 02:57:09
It's not only liverpool who are struggling to bring youth. In fact all top clubs are struggling coz football has massively changed since the days of Owen fowler etc.

Footy atm is a big big business with so much stake on line, even Barcelona who had 1 of the best academy in world football are looking to buy world class players every windows.

Coz the likes of United Chelsea Barcelona bayern Madrid etc are not going throw their status brand fame achievements etc which has taken them years to build, in order to wait for youngsters. Once your at the top you need continuity to stay there. Once you fall from elite bracket it's very very difficult to climb back.

9.) 30 Jun 2017 07:49:00
I'm sorry about what happened to your brother and indeed, his coach failed him as he could have still made the effort to actually help your brother improve.

There is no patience in football anymore and many of our fans want to have their cake and eat it too. They say we should give youngsters a chance. Yet when that happens and the youngster is not Messi right out of the gate, they say he should be gone and back to the reserves. Just see what happened to Karius after he made two mistakes or how a good no. of our fans want Origi sold in spite of his immense talent, just cos he's not Harry Kane. Our club may be mismanaged BUT our fans are the problem as well.

Kopite, you are correct but I disagree that big clubs don't give youth a chance. Bayern and Real regardless of their might, have two of the best academies in Europe. Players like Can, Kimmich, Alaba are from the Bayern academy while players like Mariano Diaz (who we wanted to sign in Jan) and Dani Carjaval are from the Real academy. There's a lot more players where that came from. Do not be fooled by this idea that they don't give youth a chance. They do BUT it is I agree, few and far between.

10.) 30 Jun 2017 08:05:51
There are plenty of clubs that produce top level talent consistently, the Ajax system has been pretty good at this for decades, usually these types of clubs have the right kind of staff at all levels through the club with a clear philosophy with regards to development, Liverpool have definitely failed in this department in the last few years.

11.) 30 Jun 2017 08:32:44
I think Gerard et al would be fine if they came through the ranks now, they were so good that a place was found for them. That's why Carragher played all across the back line and why Gerrard started out at right back, they had to be included. it's not about recent youth players being mismanaged, they're just not as good as the ones that did make it. {Ed001's Note - that is not true, Carra played at full back positions because we were, as we are now, short of decent full backs at the time. Gerrard might well make it, but I doubt it if we had the quality in the team at the time. They got in the team because our team was weak, rather than because they were outstanding. Similar to how Woodburn got his shot because we lacked quality in his position to choose from. They stayed in because of their quality, rather than got in because of it.}

12.) 30 Jun 2017 09:56:27
Ed, I see it as two sides of the same coin, we had weak players in those positions by the young guys still needed to be ready and good enough to do the job. I'm not sure that can be said about the recent crop. {Ed001's Note - I think you are misremembering, as Carragher, in particular, was the subject of a fair amount of criticism (bordering on abuse) in his early years. It was only when he became a regular at centre back that he was seen as good enough. Until then he merely filled in when we were short and kept his place more for his attitude than his ability.}

13.) 30 Jun 2017 13:16:19
I think Marcus Rashford is a good modern day example. He got his chance due to injuries and Wilson being on loan and he took it. I highly doubt we would know who Rashford is unless that happened. He showed his class whilst on the pitch and they kept with him. Only seems to be a few managers like Poch who are willing to take risks for rewards over youth players, regardless of injuries/ squad depth etc. Real shame. {Ed001's Note - it must be remembered that Rashford would not have got his shot but for Ashley Fletcher being unable to play too. So it took an injury crisis and another youth player to miss out for him to get a chance.}

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21 Oct 2018 11:36:40
Well let's get one thing clear, absolutely nothing posted on this website has an impact on the actions of Liverpool FC. When we eventually lose, it will not be because some people here thought nothing was wrong. Read Klopp's interviews, he knows it's not all good on the pitch right now.

Anyway sorry to pick on just this post but I've seen it for years here; some fans are eternally optimistic, maybe some even deluded, then you have people telling them not to be as if anything we do here has an impact.


13 Oct 2018 21:49:13
He hasn't signed a new deal, even if we win everything its hard to convice someone not to go to barca.


02 Oct 2018 22:32:40
Now harry is going to watch every dinamo game and become an expert on this player.


23 Aug 2018 13:33:16
Something about image rights if I remember right. Who was in charge of this ridiculous deal?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the image rights, those payments have finished.}


01 Aug 2018 21:00:46
Depressing to think how many poor signings we have made over the entire premier league era.

{Ed025's Note - can liverpool fans be depressed about anything?..really??, you want to try wearing the rest ours shoes mate...your spoiled rotten..

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21 Oct 2018 12:08:45
Is it only 3 years ago this month? Don't forget just how poor that team he took over was.


23 Sep 2018 22:45:35
Talent has never been in question. Atittude and application were the concerns. So far so good.


23 Sep 2018 22:33:04
We drew too many 0-0s that year, because that is what we are like, until now!

Pointless really to compare then with now, completely different managers and styles. Don't forget that damn Macheda coming out of nowhere and winning 4 extra points to give Man U the title anyway.

We got 86 that year and 86 in 2014, which has been enough to win titles plenty of times, that's just how the cookie crumbles. Last year the champions got 100 and they still look like a team hungry for success.

If we can get 87, which I have no doubt we will, that would prove this is the best premership team we ever have.

Reina/ Alisson, Van Dijk/ Agger, Firmino/ Torres are the interesting debates.


22 Sep 2018 11:21:31
Hesgoal dot com has worked for me so far this season and I will be using again today.


20 Sep 2018 15:26:04
He played quite well, used the ball nicely on the few ocassions when psg managed a spell of posession. Clearly right now Hendo, Milner, and Gini have responded to the new competition in midfield so we have 5 capable cms. However he Rabiot would be a good addition for the long term.