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Diana talks to Nicki Herring, MA student at West Dean College. Nicki Herring is an MA student at West Dean College, studying Creative
Writing and Publishing. For this she has to complete the first draft of a novel.

I was fortunate enough to read this when I was in hospital last year and it is
wonderful, even in draft form. I really look forward to seeing it on the shelves soon.

Hi Nicki. I am really delighted to chat with you. I am sure there is a question that you have always longed to be asked. Now is the chance.

If you could afford to leave midwifery and concentrate on writing full time would you do it?


If your latest book,This Place of Happiness, was adapted into a TV show or a film, who would you like to play the lead role?

If I had my choice of leading ladies I would have Emilia Clarke as Rabia, Leila Bekhti as Amal and Elyes Cherif Gabel as Ali. I think Emilia has one of those lovely mobile faces that hide nothing, and I imagine Rabia like that. Leila comes across as far more serious, much like Amal, and Elyes is Algerian but also very English, and exactly how I imagine Ali.


I never sat down with a cup of tea and chose a genre, and I find it hard to define novels like that. I had a story I wanted to tell, but if you want a few pigeon holes think family sage… coming of age… LGBT…


I get my ideas in two ways. Initially through daydreaming. Lots and lots of daydreaming. When I go to bed at night I make up stories. I see my stories like films and my aim in writing is to convey what I imagine as clearly as possible. Later, as a story develops and I research the people and the location other things come together that might affect both plot and character. In This Place of Happiness the grandmother had been a café bomber during the Algerian War of Independence, and this reaches out into other parts of the story, affecting and changing them; but I didn’t wake up one day and decide that I wanted a café bombing granny in the story.

I would like to write the sort of romance where you arrive at the end in tears, and feeling emotionally wrecked. I have a big hang up about writing them though. The worst mark I ever got for creative writing at school was a B when I went off-piste and turned a piece of description into a love story. I was devastated because if there was one person in the world I wanted to impress it was my English teacher. Maybe one day…

I remember the first time I wrote creatively. I was eight. It was a ghost story, and a moment of discovery when I realised that words could be played with. I nearly got myself into gear properly when I was twenty five, and seriously considered leaving midwifery and going to University to study English Literature, but then I got married, there were bills to pay and life was busy and I had a son to raise. I have spent the past two years on the MA in Creative Writing and Publishing at West Dean College. It has completely changed my relationship with writing, because having taken time to take it seriously other people have realised that I am serious too.


I wouldn’t say no to Marmite if I was starving; but thankfully I’m not. :-D

In a perfect world it is between eleven o’clock at night and four in the morning. I’ve got some sort of documentary in the background, and I have a cup of spicy chai tea. The house is quiet, and there is no chance of being disturbed.

I write most productively in my study, but write anywhere. All I need is a pen. I’ve written notes on my hands if I’ve nothing else. I’ve even used the blunt end of a knife to emboss a napkin in a restaurant so that I wouldn’t forget an idea.

My family wins every time; but that isn’t to say I don’t get grumpy if I have to choose. When my study door is closed they know they can only come in to offer top-ups in a tea cup.

My dream job was being a community midwife; but after being ill a few years ago I work in a hospital. I don’t have a dream job other than writing, and am planning on taking early retirement at 55 so that I can see what I can achieve if writing full time.


Tea, weak and milky with no sugar, thank you. A very occasional glass of red.

I have a plan when I start but am open to change, and I write in steps of around 1500 words. When I settle down to write I know where I want to go, and spend the next couple of hours getting there.

I like Cambria, but all I would insist on would be serifs! As the daughter of a letter press printer I’ve never had a favourite, because all those little pieces of type have their place.

I would love to find a document that explained where my Huguenot ancestors came from in France. My family tree gets stuck in the late seventeenth century, and I would love to get further. (Note from Diana. So would I!! Nicki and I share these elusive Ridout ancestors!)

None of my characters have ever shocked me, but thirty years of nursing and midwifery has left me fairly unshockable. I relish when they are real enough to start doing their own thing. Writing is a constant adventure in finding out what happens next.

I love research, and spend hours exploring… from the armchair. I haven’t been able to go on a research trip for This Place of Happiness, because although Algeria is trying to promote its tourist industry the government website here does talk about foreigners being kidnapped. I’m not very brave. I would like to go to Morocco to get a sense of place and culture.

In my first draft I killed off over 300 people in a massacre, a bombing, a few run-ins with the French authorities and a revenge attack or two. My current draft is far quieter. I’ve only planned one death so far.

In This Place of Happiness there are references to things that didn’t happen, but to me the important thing is that they could have happened, and that similar things did often happen. I want it to have an authenticity, which is different from accuracy.

Midwives write accurate, contemporaneous records reflecting actual events and decisions. As a writer I have a complete freedom to do anything I want, and there are no lines between fact and fiction.  There’s just story. It’s superb to have so much freedom.

I am rather in love with my character Ali, the baker’s son. But he would never notice me. He’s gay.


I read constantly using a kindle. It means that I can carry three or four hundred books in my bag, and I will give up the smell of ink and the rustle of the page to be able to do that. My kindle goes everywhere with me. Any spare two minutes are filled with reading.


A really decent neat whisky. Something smokey.


My favourite author at the moment is Umi Sinha. Her novel Belonging is a breathtakingly lovely look at the relationships between different generations and cultures across two continents.

© Diana Milne January 2017 © Nicki Herring May 2017.

Posted by D Arcadian at Thursday, May 25, 2017 Labels: *Diana talks*, Algeria, Creative Writing, LGBT, Nicki Herring, Nicki Herring Author, Ridout, This Place of Happiness, West Dean College


