He remembers that in 1984 he went to Poland to attend a conference and on a whim decided to go to visit the then socialist East Berlin. He went to arrange the visa on the spot, and everything went very smoothly.
他記得一九八四年他到波蘭開會，臨時決定到當時還是共產社會的東柏林，當場辦簽證，結果也很順利，簽證費是廿五馬克。