A skilled bridge player, he has played for the national team. "Our whole family plays cards well," he says. "My grandmother won championships in her age group well into her 90s."
牌技優異的他曾入選荷蘭國家隊，「我們家的人都是牌桌上的高手，祖母九十幾歲時還經常拿到同級比賽的冠軍。」