In 1995, as he was pondering how to give his works an increased feeling of light and texture, the first thing that popped into his mind was glass. To understand the production of glass he traveled south to Santimen in Pingtung County to study under the Aborigines there. The venture wasn't a complete success because he later encountered difficulties when he attempted to work the glass into his pottery.
一九九五年，當他想為作品尋求亮感和質感的配合時，第一個閃進腦海的念頭是琉璃，為瞭解傳統琉璃的製作過程，他前往屏東三地門向原住民學習琉璃珠製作，之後卻因琉璃和陶土結合上的困難而未竟全功。