In addition, he has formed an "adventurer's club" with a group of other amateur enthusiasts, and every autumn between six and eight people go out into the deserts of Utah or Arizona to do field collection, roaming private quarries or mountainous areas.
此外，他還和一群業餘愛好者組成探險家俱樂部，每年秋天六人、八人就往美國沙漠地帶﹘ ﹘猶他州、亞歷桑那州的私人礦區、山區走，做田野採集。