During the period that he was "experimenting" with being a farmer, he once helped out a hiking companion by taking a group of "difficult" children out on a hike. Afterwards he had an inspiration: "Why not let children of this kind get their hands dirty by growing vegetables?"
「實驗」期間，他曾幫忙一位山友帶著一群「難搞的孩子」去爬山，後來興起「何不教他們玩泥土、種菜？」