Since his wife, a long-time HUF member, convinced him to join the group as a nature guide three years ago, he has become an expert on the Chihshan Rock area, and his "crass" worldly desires, as he describes them, have been quelled by his contact with nature.
三年多前，被在主婦聯盟當義工的太太拉去當自然步道的解說員，長時間下來，他不僅成為芝山岩步道的專家；自稱以前一身的酒色財氣，也因此被綠化了，且聽他解說… …。