When serving as a legislator, you said that the EPA director was a "tragic hero." Do you think this is a tragedy of Taiwan's particular time and place, or do you think it is in the nature of the position not to be able to play the historical hero?
問：在擔任立委時，您曾說過，環保署長是「悲劇英雄」。您認為這是台灣時空背景之下的悲哀，還是這個角色本身就無法做歷史好漢？