Lin Yu-wen has been supervising Chan meditation for ten years and says it is because some people get the wrong teachers and get involved in a mysterious kind of "crazy Chan" that they are not concerned with morality and even cut themselves off from society. Then there is also "lazy Chan" for the indolent, which uses meditation as a pretext for doing nothing.
指導禪坐已有十年歷史的老師林毓文則表示，也有人因投錯師門，走入虛幻神秘的「狂禪」，目無一切道德，甚至與社會脫節隔離；也有人練成懶人禪，終日「如如不動」不做家事，藉口打坐偷懶。