"The Jurchen of the Northern Sung dynasty period [960-1127] are known to history as the early Chin 'court, while the Jurchen at the time of the Manchu-led Ching dynasty [1644-1911] are known to history as the later Chin,' and the two groups [i.e. the Jurchen and the Manchus] were different. But people today don't understand any of this, and just lump all of us together.
「北宋時的女真是生女真，史稱前金；滿清是熟女真，又稱後金，兩者不同，不過現在反正大家都不懂，就全都合在一起了，我也就這樣加入滿族協會」，他說。