A cousin of the twins, Valah Udai, plays the double bass and once put together a rock group. Valah Udai is trained in musical theory, and can write his own multipart scores. He often quips that he is the one among the musicians in the family who "has been most deeply contaminated by Western culture."
雙胞胎的表弟之一瓦拉（潘仁義），會拉低音大提琴，曾經組過西洋歌曲樂團，瓦拉懂樂理，能自寫套譜，常開玩笑說自己是家族樂團裡受「西方文化影響最深者」。