Before, when she had two children to raise, it was hard to find time for pottery. "I was very serious then," she says. "My conceptions were full of suffering.
過去，二個寶寶還小，她在洗尿布、餵奶之餘，勉強搶出作陶的時間，「那時心態很嚴肅，構想又充滿憂患意識，很辛苦。」