"In hypnosis, 'I' am an object, taking the suggestions of the hypnotist; there is a division between the realm of the mind and the outside world. Whereas in Zen practices," I "am both subject and object. In a deep Zen state, the mind becomes totally clear.
「在西方式的催眠裡，『我』是客體，完全聽從催眠者的暗示，心靈處在與外境隔絕的狀態下；東方禪修裡，『我』是主體也是客體，一個人在非常深的禪定狀態下，心識極為明朗，對外境的變動『了了分明』，但心境又是『八風不動』。