"I talk about history from a sociological and economic perspective. 'Right is on the side of the victors' --it's impossible not to have an ideology." He acknowledges that if one really wants to talk about "ideology," he does indeed "tend to be sympathetic to the idea of a greater China" --it's just that this consciousness of a greater China is founded in fact.
「我以社會、經濟學的觀點來談論歷史，『成王敗寇』，要說沒有意識是不可能的」，他承認，如果真要談「意識型態」，他的確是「偏向大中國情懷」，只是當然這個大中國意識還是有事實根據的。