"The first time I led a group out," he recalls, "we tried to go straight up Mt. Patsu, in the extremely rugged eastern part of the Central Mountain Range. In the end, we nearly had to give up.
他回憶，「當時我第一次帶隊，就直挑險峻的中央山脈東段，直攻拔子山，結果幾乎當場放棄，也差點連累大家。」