On the other hand, he always felt that if he started with "shape," he would be unconsciously restrained. Therefore, he tried to forget the techniques his hands were using, forget that he was creating for creation's sake. Instead, he began to live as if his life were identical with the act of creation, the moment of fire, attempting to communicate with the clay directly from his heart.
然而總覺由「造型」出發，就會不自覺被侷限，於是他嘗試忘掉手的技巧；忘掉為創作而創作，開始過著生活就是創作、就是燒陶的日子，要由心直接和土溝通。