In his junior year at university, he accompanied his teacher to Kenting to do a field study of amphibians. They repeatedly interviewed local residents to understand the circumstances in the past, and when they did so, he was invariably the representative they selected. He overcame his fear of meeting strangers and began to delight in the experience, because of the many things he could learn from the interviews.
大三隨老師到墾丁做兩棲類的田野調查，每每要與在地人交談瞭解過去的情況時，派出來的代表一定是他，因為交談所得的開闊視野，使他克服與陌生人接觸的恐懼而樂此不疲。