After 200 years in the eighth generation, most of the Hsu descendents no longer speak the Hakka dialect, some did not even know they were of Hakka origin.
對方也無法確定，只有一位年高八十的長者表示，他小時候好像聽老祖父提過，但事隔幾十年，已不復記憶。正當討論之時，許光亮發現供桌上有個「十三世孝劍公」的牌位，而「孝」字恰是他們家族第十三世的昭穆。