One time, Ma showed a photo of an Atayal from the Nan-ao area of Ilan County to an old man from the Sedek subtribe in Hualien. The Sedek man remarked, "This is our enemy."
當花蓮地區賽德克亞族的泰雅老人，看到的宜蘭南澳地區泰雅人的照片時還說，「這是我們的敵人。」