[Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread
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				Title: <strong>[Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 00:31:40</strong>
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				<em>The ancient sages said "do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is to say it will not become a dragon?" So may one just man become an army.</em><br><br>I'm sure everyone knows what an OOC thread is for, so here's a little something to get people in the right frame of mind :)<br><br>Hero Movie - Jet Li - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv3u8-Mq08Q#normal)<br><br>First things first ... I'd like to do this as a strongly character driven game, which means that the players decide what way the games goes, while I'm about 3 steps ahead making stuff up ;) . The best way to do this is to have plot hooks that I can work with from everyones character concepts.<br><br>Having the book, or knowing the system will be useful, but not essential. As long as you have a decent concept in mind, we can work from there.<br><br>To help, here's a map of the world<br><br>http://www.7emecercle.com/7cv2us/rpg/qin/map.pdf (http://www.7emecercle.com/7cv2us/rpg/qin/map.pdf)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 01:43:45</strong>
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				To help those who haven't got the rules to make an early draft of their character (which I can then help them revise), here is an overview of character creation. (swiped from elsewhere, from someone who went to all the bother of typing this out :) )<br><br>The system is skill-based so you can create any “class” you want.&nbsp; <br><br>Character consists of Aspects, Skills, Gifts and Weaknesses, Combat Techniques, Taos and Magic abilities.&nbsp; The basic idea what each of this for is in the demo kit, so I’ll just have to give you numbers.<br><br>Aspects range from 1(weak) to 5(legendary), you have 14 points to spend on Aspects<br><br>You do not have to pick any gifts or weaknesses but if you do you have to choose one gift and one weakness, the balance of Yin and Yang forces of the universe insures you cannot have one without the other.<br><br>Skills range from 0 (beginner) to 6 (godlike), some skills cannot be used unless you have at least 1 rank in that skill (apprentice).&nbsp; You have 15 points to spend on skills, each rank of skill has to be purchased separately and cost of rank level added up.&nbsp; Rank 1 (apprentice) costs 1 point, 2 (competent) costs 3, and 3 (expert) costs 6.&nbsp; So to buy expert level skill you have to spend 10 points.<br><br>A player has 15 points to divide between Techniques, Taos and Magic.&nbsp; The same cost rule applies as with Skills - Rank 1 (apprentice) costs 1 point, 2 (competent) costs 3, and 3 (expert) costs 6.<br><br>I intend characters to be a bit more powerful then the standard starting chars so I will give everyone some exp points to spend… but I have not yet decided how many.&nbsp; The XP is used as follows:<br><br>To improve aspect use 5 times the XP as the rank you wish to reach, i.e. to raise aspect from 2 to 3 you must spend 15 XP, you can only increase aspect by 1 rank at a time.<br><br>To improve a skill you must spend 4 times the XP as the rank you want to achieve.&nbsp; You can purchase more then one rank but the cost is cumulative.&nbsp; So from say level 0 to level 3 (expert) costs 4+8+12=24XP<br><br>Same math applies to Taos, Techniques and Magic as to skills but there might be pre-requisites (like certain value of aspect, or certain rank in a given skill)<br><br>The reason I'm looking at XP over additional build points is that the build points don't really allow for stat boosting.<br><br><br>ASPECTS<br><br>The five Aspects are Metal, Water, Fire, Wood and Earth.&nbsp; They serve in Qin same role as attributes usually do in other games - define the innate abilities and the basic structure of the character<br><br>But in Qin there are also RP elements to Aspects, if the character has a lot of Water in him/her the corresponding traits should show up in the characters personality.&nbsp; <br><br>Metal (Yin)<br>Personality: Metal corresponds to an active and open-minded temperament which is also sure of its own clearly-defined ideas.<br>Characteristic : martial attribute - strength, resilience, martial spirit<br><br>Water (Yin)<br>Personality: Water is the reflection of a calm, inwardlooking temperament, marked by great sensitivity, dreams and imagination.<br>Characteristic : Physical attribute - agility, speed...<br><br>Fire (Yang)<br>Personality: Fire corresponds to a dynamic, ambitious and aggressive temperament, which is expressed through physical domination and spiritual elevation.<br>Characteristic : Social attribute - charisma, intuition, artistic ability.<br><br>Wood (Yang)<br>Personality: Wood corresponds to a flexible and adaptable temperament, but one which is prone to anxiety and instability in times of insecurity.<br>Characteristic: Mental attribute - intelligence, memory, reasoning<br><br>Earth (Balance)<br>Personality: Earth corresponds to a nervous temperament, where a fragile physical form conceals profound and complex mental activity.<br>Characteristic: Mystical attribute - willpower, spirit, magical affinity.<br><br>Gifts<br><br>Agility of the Monkey: better climbing ability.<br><br>Beloved of Nature: choose natural environment, you get better survival chances there.<br><br>Ease of the Courtier: character feels at ease in high society.<br><br>Blessed by the Dragon-Kings: Player feel at home at sea or other large bodies of water.<br><br>Unsettling Beauty: just what it says, good for seduction.<br><br>Luck of the Hare: better the usual luck in gambling.<br><br>Courage of the Tiger: resistance to fear.<br><br>Breastplate of Bronze: resistant to damage.<br><br>Acuity of the Kilin: good investigator.<br><br>Gift of Nezha: better with his/her off hand than average person.<br><br>Child of the Shadows: Stealthy.<br><br>Favorite of Wen Chang: a talented scholar (pick a field of study - Law, Taoism, Bureaucracy, Literature – you get bonuses in that field)<br><br>Strength of the Ox: give a bit extra power to feats of strength<br><br>Claws of the Tiger: deals extra damage once in a while with blades??<br><br>Heir of Sun Zi: strategy, tactics, the character really takes to the Art of War.<br><br>Inspiration of the Gods: choose artistic skill such as Music, Singing, Painting, Dance, etc.&nbsp; You have special talent in that art form.<br><br>Inspiration of the Tao: choose a craft skill, you have special talent in that craft.<br><br>Tongue of Tsai Chen: talent to persuasive speaking.<br><br>Linguist: learns languages easily.<br><br>Hand of the Monkey: talented thief.<br><br>Mask of the Demon: intimidation, can make himself really scare if he wishes to.<br><br>Memory of the Zhongguo: well versed in the history of Middle Kingdom, pick academic skill such as History, Legends and Heraldry - you have bonuses in that skill<br><br>Spirit of Horses: you love horses and so have easier time dealing with them be it riding or say calming one.<br><br>Paw of the Bear: extra damage with heavy weapons such as maces and clubs<br><br>On The Shell of the Turtle: you love water and are a good swimmer<br><br>Placidity of the Turtle: character is in control of his emotion.<br><br>Presence of the Phoenix: talent to negotiation and diplomacy.<br><br>Eye of the Snake: The character is a born actor.<br><br>Health of the Rat: higher then usual resistance to the poison and sickness.<br><br>Sharp Senses: just what it says, above average senses.<br><br>Sense of the Tao: pick magical school (Internal Alchemy, External Alchemy, Divination and Exorcism) - you have affinity to that school<br><br>Feline Grace: talented acrobat.<br><br>Audacity of the Phoenix: exceptional self-confidence. But believing you can do it, sometimes actually allows you to do it.<br><br>Weaknesses<br><br>Alcoholic: You need to drink regularly.&nbsp; Suffer penalties if you do not, but also suffer penalties if you drink too much.<br><br>Amnesiac: You remember nothing about your past.<br><br>Ascetic: You have some strict personal code.&nbsp; For example reject all material possession, never kill, unusual diet, vows of chastity, etc<br><br>Blessed by Chang-E: you fall in love easily, love deeply... but burn out fast and soon fall in love with someone else.<br><br>Loudmouth: sometimes character lets his/her mouth runs away with him/her.<br><br>Code of Honor: Very similar to Ascetic, but with one difference.&nbsp; Ascetic follows his code due to some personal belief; other people are not required to believe the same thing.&nbsp; This weakness however… character follows the code because honor demands it, therefore anyone no following same code is dishonorable - so character tend not to get along well with such people.<br><br>Curiosity of the Rat: hmm... apparently in China curiosity kills rats just as well as cats.&nbsp; :)<br><br>Disgrace of Fu Xing: you have the terrible luck in the games of chance.<br><br>Mind of the Hare: absentminded.<br><br>Pride of the Rooster: Character struts around been arrogant, patronizing and irritating as hell, makes it harder to make friends<br><br>Air of the Snake: there is something about this person that makes animals distrust or even fear him/her.<br><br>Haunted Soul: you are haunted by nightmares and so do not rest well and do not recover as fast as normal people.<br><br>Impetuosity of the Horse: hot blooded, tends to overreact and blow up at the slightest provocation<br><br>Loyalty of the Dog: loyal to a fault, in relations with friends or loved ones he is a push over, a door mat.&nbsp; Forgives any abuse and comes back carrying sleepers in his mouth.<br><br>Curse of the Five Poisons: you need to sleep at least 10 hours a day or suffer penalties to everything you do.<br><br>Curse of Zhu Rong: character is consumed by desire for vengeance; he/she will no hesitate to step over his/her companions if that get's character closer to the object of the revenge.<br><br>Sickly : less than average resistance to illness and poison<br><br>Misogynist/Misandrist: sexist, intolerant of the opposite sex, will go out of his/her way to prove their genders superiority and humiliate the opposite one<br><br>Naïve: gullible, easy to lie to.<br><br>Obsessive-compulsive: pick an obsession you prefer - personal cleanness, eating disorders, obsessive collector, personal quest objective, and so on.<br><br>Phobia: once again pick the one you like, claustrophobia, agoraphobia, arachnophobia... crowds, cats, blood, water, whatever.&nbsp; You suffer penalties when the subject of the phobia is around.<br><br>Clown: no one takes you seriously.<br><br>Wanted: you got a price on your head, which could be a problem especially in a state(s) that issued the bounty<br><br>Impure Blood: you got barbarian blood in you, people will treat you with distrust at best.<br><br>Lookalike: you look a lot like someone else, someone well known, that often causes trouble.<br><br>Hard of hearing: just what it says.<br><br>Timidity of the Kilin: you are definitely not the most sociable person in the world; you are shy and uneasy in company.<br><br>Short-sighted: you have poor eye-sight.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 01:52:14</strong>
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				Skills marked with * cannot be used at the beginner level (rank 0) and require character to be at least apprentice. <br><br>Martial domain (Metal)<br><br>Art of War: Skill in strategy and tactics<br><br>Bangshu (stick): all kind of staves, from short sticks to long fencing ones.<br><br>Hand-to-Hand: this skill covers any unarmed combat style<br><br>Chuishu (mace): clubs, hammers, maces and other heavy blunt weapons<br><br>Daoshu (dagger): for the purpose of this game nearly all small weapons it seems - knives, daggers, small hatchets, short swords.<br><br>Dunshu (shield): shields obviously.<br><br>Gongshu (archery): any bow but not crossbow.<br><br>Improvisation: Improvised weapons, chopsticks, fans, broken furniture, coins, strip of cloth, rope...<br><br>Jianshu (fencing): All types of swords, this includes sabers and two handed swords as well<br><br>Throwing: daggers, darts, javelins... everything that is thrown at the opponent including a flying guillotine. :)<br><br>Qiangshu (spears, etc): spears and polearms<br><br>Nushu (crossbow): The crossbow<br><br>Physical domain (Water)<br><br>Acrobatics: jumps, tightrope walking, complex acrobatic moves.<br><br>Craft (specialization): Choose a specific craft, some examples are pottery, rope-making, leatherwork, carpentry, weaving, bow-making, cooking, farming, animal-breeding...<br><br>Stealth: ability to move silently, find places to hide, use surrounding to stay unnoticed and so on.<br><br>Horsemanship: ability to ride but also train animals, covers not only horses but other animals that can be ridden such as mules, camels.<br><br>Climbing: climb walls, trees, and ropes<br><br>Dodging: ability to dodge an attack<br><br>Forge *: forge weapons, armor and components for those.&nbsp; Skill can only be used if character has access to a proper workshop and the right tools.<br><br>Theft: pick pocketing, picking locks, but also forging documents and counterfeiting<br><br>Swimming: self-explanatory<br><br>Survival (specialization): ability to navigate, find shelter, food, water and otherwise survive in a chosen environment<br><br>Social domain (Fire)<br><br>Arts (specialization): painting, sculpture, poetry, theater... and more<br><br>Acting: Work when character need to perform on stage but is also useful to lie convincingly or to disguise oneself<br><br>Trade: haggling, appraising and so on<br><br>Dance: self-explanatory<br><br>Diplomacy: ability to resolve the situation without violence.<br><br>Eloquence: persuasiveness.<br><br>Etiquette: knows how to behave at court, official ceremonies, and so on<br><br>Heraldry : knowledge of the emblems and symbols of the different states, organizations, noble families, guilds, etc<br><br>Intimidation: scare others into doing what you want<br><br>Games: gambling<br><br>Languages *: any language used under heaven has to be learned with this skill, language of other state, barbarian tongue or sign language of a secret society.<br><br>Music (specialization): Choose an instrument, you can play it, maybe be even compose for it. Singing can be chosen as a specialty.<br><br>Seduction: This skill is used for any attempt to charm others... And for actual seduction as well of course ;)<br><br>Mental domain (Wood)<br><br>Architecture *: plan and design buildings including fortifications.<br><br>Bureaucracy *: character knows how the administrative system works, how to make do what he/she needs, and how to take advantage of it if need be.<br><br>Calligraphy *: part literacy, part art. It is also used to decipher ancient or obscure scripts.<br><br>Herbalism: knowledge of plants, herbs, minerals, animal products and other natural products used in medicine and alchemy<br><br>History: knowledge of history of Zhongguo might help you in many ways, from tracking the ancient tomb, to identifying the monster, to solving puzzles<br><br>Investigation: Anything involving searching for clues, analyzing those, interrogating people and so on.<br><br>Literature *: You know classical work of literature and have ability to compose your own.<br><br>Law *: knowledge of laws and legal system<br><br>Medicine *: diagnoses, treat illnesses and wounds, establish the cause of death and so on. Includes first aid, acupuncture and massage.<br><br>Navigation *: You can pilot a boat and not get lost in the sea.<br><br>Perception: whenever you are using characters senses this skill comes into play<br><br>Learning (specialization): free academic skill essentially, pick any subject - “fashion”, “local history”, “names and achievements of the great heroes of old”, “forestry”, “philosophy”, “geography”, or “Xiongnu tribes”... not you have learned this subject :)<br><br>Science *: Any scientific knowledge - mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry,<br>astrology.<br><br>Mystical domain (Earth)<br><br>External Alchemy *: brewing potions, ointments, poisons and so on.<br><br>Internal Alchemy *: through meditation and certain ritual you can make your body do amazing things, from resisting or purging poisons to generating fire or water shields around you.<br><br>Divination *: divine future but also commune with spirit and forces of nature.<br><br>Empathy: part psychology, part intuition.&nbsp; Ability to read others, understand their emotional state, tell when they are lying<br><br>Exorcism *: This skill teaches you to fight evil ghosts, demons and other supernatural threats.<br><br>Legends: similar to History but operates through the knowledge of mythology rather then history<br><br>Meditation: ability to regenerate inner power.<br><br>Taoism *: understanding of Taoist philosophy, pre-requisite to many other things such as magic powers for instance.<br><br>Theology: knowledge of many Gods and Religions of the Zhongguo, can help in many things from not insulting your host by saying or doing something against his religious believes to dealing with some deity or other.<br><br><br><br>The Taos<br><br>Taos are special abilities, the fun parts of wuxia :) . Some Taos offer passive bonuses, some modify/improve character actions, some give you new abilities, generally Taos can be combined (used together in one action) although there might be exceptions.&nbsp; You also need to spend Chi points to power up your Taos, the Chi cost depends on the level of Tao and if you combine several Taos the cost is cumulative.<br><br>Tao of the Six Directions<br><br>Tao of movement, mastery of this Tao will allow character to run faster, jump higher and so on.<br><br><br>Tao of the Light Step<br><br>This Tao allows character to perform amazing feats of balance.<br><br>With this Tao you can balance easily on a bamboo branch (Hidden Dragon) although to jump up top that branch in the first place you will need to use different Tao (Six Directions)<br><br><br>Tao of the Strengthened Body<br><br>Control over his body to increase various resistances.<br><br><br>Tao of the Destructive Breath<br><br>This is the Tao that allows martial artists to shatter rocks and break steel weapons.&nbsp; Tao works with bare hands as well as with weapons (energy is channeled through the weapon)<br><br><br>Tao of Inspired Creation<br><br>When creating an object of craft or art you hand is guided by the very forces of the universe.<br><br><br>Tao of the Sudden Lightning<br><br>Your reaction times are better, so is your ability to anticipate opponent’s actions, this also a danger sense Tao.&nbsp; This applies only to combat and physical activities, that doesn’t mean you can anticipate opponents move when say gambling.<br><br><br><br>Tao of the Invisible Shield<br><br>You know how to be where enemy strikes aren’t.<br><br><br>Tao of the Ten Thousand Hands<br><br>Perfect body control and economy of the motion.<br><br><br>Tao of the Inner Eye<br><br>Basically increased perception and situational awareness.&nbsp; Most people rely on the sight to say detect an attack and even then only in their direct field of vision.&nbsp; A master of this Tao takes full advantage of all the senses and all the clues, in combat and out.<br><br><br>Tao of the Hidden Shadow<br><br>Stealth related Tao<br><br><br>Tao of the Thousand Bees<br><br>You can scan you environment in a flash and find since to use to your advantage.&nbsp; Basically that translated into finding things to throw at you enemies and doing it efficiently.<br><br><br>Tao of Yin and Yang<br><br>Basically your understanding of Yin and Yang forces gives you more control over the YY Roll.&nbsp; Can’t create criticals or cancel critical failures though.<br><br><br>Tao of the Breath of Power<br><br>A hero can imbued an ordinary object with his chi to make it a potent weapon and use it with Improvised Weapons skill.<br><br><br>Tao of the Clear Mind<br><br>Ability to focus on mental tasks and ignore and shutoff destructions.<br><br><br>Tao of the Serene Presence<br><br>Social Tao, help in reading other and in projecting necessary effects on them.<br><br><br>The expansion takes the Taos to level 6, but I don't think anyone is quite on that level to start with ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 01:54:35</strong>
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				Ok then, let’s talk about martial art.&nbsp; Actually basic martial arts are covered by corresponding skills, but character can also learn special techniques that will provide bonuses and special effects.&nbsp; <br><br>Techniques are tied to specific weapons, in the words of the ancients only a fool uses spear for a shield, too narrow and too sharp.&nbsp; In addition techniques differ in level of difficulty and you cannot use or even learn techniques unless you have same or higher level in the corresponding martial skill.&nbsp; And while techniques might be named the same they are different for different weapons, which means two weapons technique for daggers for instance is not the same as the one for swords and in fact the dagger one is level 1 difficulty while sword one is level 4.<br><br>All techniques are a bit harder to perform than the basic moves (+1 to ST) but they do make up for it in other ways.<br><br>Here are the techniques that are available to each skill with corresponding levels<br><br>Close combat weapons<br><br>Bangshu (stick)<br>Level 1 : Double Blow, Charge, Hold At Bay<br>Level 2 : Knock-out, Total Block, Whirlwind Block<br>Level 3 : Double Block, Combination, Mystification<br>Level 4 : Disarm, Strangle<br><br>Hand-to-Hand<br>Level 1 : Throw<br>Level 2 : Trap, Strangle<br>Level 3 : Direct Hit, Charge<br>Level 4 : Disarm, Combination, Whirlwind Block<br><br>Chuishu (mace)<br>Level 1 : Knock-out<br>Level 2 : Hold At Bay<br>Level 3 : Total Block, Charge<br>Level 4 : Repel, Combination<br><br>Daoshu (dagger)<br>Level 1 : Direct Hit, Two Weapons<br>Level 2 : Feint, Double Block, Mystification<br>Level 3 : Total Block, Combination<br>Level 4 : Disarm, Charge<br><br>Dunshu (shield)<br>Combat Techniques may only be used with the small<br>round shield, since the larger type of shield is too large<br>and unwieldy.<br>Level 1 : Total Block, Trap<br>Level 2 : Repel, Charge<br>Level 3 : Disarm, Double Block<br>Level 4 : Two Weapons<br><br>Jianshu (fencing)<br>Level 1 : Direct Hit, Total Block, Trap<br>Level 2 : Double Block, Feint, Charge<br>Level 3 : Double Blow, Disarm, Whirlwind Block<br>Level 4 : Two Weapons, Combination, Hold At Bay, Mystification<br><br>Qiangshu (spears and lances)<br>Level 1 : Repel, Charge, Hold At Bay<br>Level 2 : Double Blow, Double Block<br>Level 3 : Direct Hit, Total Block, Whirlwind Block<br>Level 4 : Strangle, Combination, Mystification<br><br>Distance combat weapons<br><br>Gongshu (longbow)<br>Level 1 : Snapshot<br>Level 2 : Long Shot, Double Shot<br>Level 3 : Double Target, Masterstroke, Indirect Shot<br>Level 4 : Strike Through, Ricochet, Combination<br><br>Nushu (crossbow)<br>Level 1 : Long Shot, Snapshot<br>Level 2 : Combination<br>Level 3 : Strike Through, Masterstroke<br>Level 4 : Ricochet<br><br>Short throwing weapons<br>(dagger, short sword, hatchet, dart)<br>Level 1 : Snapshot, Indirect Shot<br>Level 2 : Ricochet, Masterstroke<br>Level 3 : Long Shot, Combination<br>Level 4 : Double Target, Double Shot<br><br>Long throwing weapons<br>(lance, spears, javelins)<br>Level 1 : Masterstroke, Snapshot<br>Level 2 : Combination, Indirect Shot<br>Level 3 : Strike Through, Long Shot<br>Level 4 : Ricochet<br><br><br>And here are the descriptions:<br><br>Close combat Techniques<br><br>Knock-out (the bear strike)<br>You aim at the opponent’s head and if everything goes well knock the opponent out for several rounds.<br><br>Trap (the snared blade)<br>You lock the opponent’s weapon with yours (you weapon might be especially designed for it, or you simply trap enemies weapon against the wall, furniture etc).&nbsp; Enemy can eventually break free, but you might hold him for long enough, and you can try to break opponent’s weapon while it is trapped<br><br>Charge (ox charge)<br>Well you charge the enemy, potentially you can deal more damage this way, and charge basically combines move and attack in one action but the opponent get bonuses to active defense.<br><br>Combination (the way of all possibility)<br>You can use two techniques in one attack but it cannot be same technique twice.&nbsp; Combinations are even more difcult to perform than a simple technique so difficulty is raised by 2 instead of 1.<br><br>Double Blow (the dragon’s claw and tail)<br>Two strikes are delivered with a same weapon for example you attack trust with a sword and then follow up hilt punch to the head. Second strike is even harder to land and the damage of both strikes is reduced… but it might still be batter then a single strike.<br><br>Direct Hit (the sharp thorn)<br>You attack some exposed point such a opening in the armor or in case of the creatures with tough natural armor some weak spot such as for instance eyes. Opponent armor values is reduced by 2<br><br>Disarm (the way of peace)<br>You inflict no damage but if you succeed you can disarm your opponent and even capture that weapon for yourself.&nbsp; On the down-side if you fail, opponent gets one free simple (no taos or techniques) counter attack<br><br>Two Weapons (the whirlwind of blades)<br>You use two weapons to defend yourself better. Both active and passive defense values are increased.&nbsp; However since you are focusing on defense your attacks in that exchange suffer penalty.<br><br>Double Block (halt the rain of blades)<br>You can attempt to block two attacks in the same exchange.<br><br>Strangle (the boa constrictor)<br>You try to strangle the enemy with you hands or weapon, instead of normal damage the strangulation rules apply.&nbsp; Enemy might be able to break free though. Strangulation rules basically means enemy loses 2 points of BoL a round and also suffers damage equal to strangler’s Metal for each action that attack spends strangling.&nbsp; (we’ll discuss normal damage rules later)<br><br>Feint (false carelessness)<br>You trick an enemy into attacking by providing a false opening.&nbsp; You defend against such attack much easier and if you defend successfully the opponent has his defense reduced for your next attack.<br><br>Mystification (the torrent of blades)<br>Says you execute complex sequence of actions that confuses the opponent making it easier to get through his defense. Mechanics of this one are complex but basically you announce how many actions are in a sequence and make a special roll that is adjusted to produce higher results.<br><br>Hold At Bay (the hedge of thorns)<br>You create a dead zone around yourself with your weapon.&nbsp; Enemies have hard time attacking you and if you defend successfully they take damage from your weapon.&nbsp; Perhaps the best thing about this techniques it works no matter how many opponents around you.&nbsp; You can’t do anything else while performing this technique.<br><br>Total Block (the citadel)<br>You take a defensive stance, in this round you defense is greatly increased but your attacks suffer for it.<br><br>Whirlwind Block (the cyclone of blood)<br>If you succeed in your active defense you can you can immediately counter attack.&nbsp; Both active defense and counter attack are harder to do than usual though.&nbsp; Also you cannot do it if you already attacked that exchange or attack again after this technique till the next exchange.<br><br>Throw (the way of the tornado)<br>Opponent take no damage but he falls to the ground. He must spend an action to get up and he can’t use active defense while on the ground.<br><br>Repel (the advancing storm)<br>Your relentless attacks force the enemy back, if attack rank succeeds enemy must back-off number of yards, if he can’t for example because his back is to the wall – he takes additional damage<br><br>Distance combat Techniques<br><br>Combination (the way of all possibility)<br>Same as for the close combat<br><br>Masterstroke (the eye of the master)<br>You can fire at anything within you weapons average range without concentrating or taking aim. You can also attack weak points this way similar to Direct Hit close combat technique<br><br>Double Target (the deadly breeze)<br>You can fire at two different targets in one action, harder to hit than one, and damage reduced for both shots… but you do get 2 shots<br><br>Double Shot (teeth of the snake)<br>Very similar to the technique above except you get two shots at the same target, instead of one at two different ones<br><br>Strike Through (eye of the needle)<br>If enemies are stupid enough to line up you can shoot through one and hit another one behind him. Obviously both can try to dodge/block separately, and the shot is harder to make than the normal one, and after passing through the 1st guy the projectile has its damage reduced… but it might still be worth a shot (a pun is intent ended ;) ).&nbsp; Also if the 1st target successfully dodges then the damage to the second one is not reduced and it is much harder for the second one to dodge since he wasn’t exactly expecting your shot.<br><br>Ricochet (the blind assassin)<br>You can bounce the projectile of the hard surface to hit enemy outside your field of vision or behind the cover.&nbsp; The shot is harder than normal techniques, but on the plus side it reduces and potentially completely negates enemy’s cover bonus<br><br>Indirect Shot (the curve of death)<br>You can make the projectile to follow a complex trajectory curving around the obstacles.&nbsp; The difficulty of the shot goes up by one for every obstacle you want to bypass.&nbsp; But you don’t care much for such little things like people, trees, market stoles or other things that might be in the way of the shot.<br><br>Long Shot (the cry of the falcon)<br>You suffer no penalty when shooting/throwing from long or extreme range<br><br>Snapshot (the lightning of Heaven)<br>Wu Xia version of wild west :)&nbsp; You try to get your shot in before the enemy has a chance to act. +3 to initiative in this exchange.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 01:57:58</strong>
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				There are four schools of magic in Qin<br><br><strong>External Alchemy</strong><br>Just what it sounds, brew potions, make poisons, etc.&nbsp; The ultimate goal of Taoist alchemy is the elixir or immortality, bunch of recipes exist already but somehow they all fail to provide immortality.&nbsp; The good news is that along the way alchemists learned how to make a lot of other useful things.<br><br>Requirements<br>Character must posses skills of Taoism and External Alchemy naturally but also he/she must be at least Apprentice in Calligraphy and Herbalism.<br>Making potions takes time so you can’t whip one out in the mist of combat, you will have to prepare those before hand for the later use.&nbsp; Finally making potions requires alchemist to spend Chi and there is a chance the process will fail… and you end up spending chi and time for nothing.<br><br>Potions<br>You can make liquids and powders (for simplicity I will refer to both as potions), you carry the results in terracotta jars, bamboo tubes, small leather or fabric bags, etc.&nbsp; The potions have different actions, some has to be consumed, some breathed, some act on a contact with a skin.<br>Offensive potions can be thrown at the enemy.&nbsp; The rules don’t seem to cover splashing liquid or blowing powder toward the opponent but you can if you wish, I’ll find a way to accommodate such actions.<br>It is generally not a good idea to block or parry the potion thrown at you, a jar smashing on you blade is generally just as bad as if it hits you.<br>Note about preparation time… I do not intend to strictly follow time requirements, I’ll just use it a rough guide to see how often and with how many potions can alchemist replenish his inventory.<br>One last thing, even if you don’t plan to be alchemist, look through the potions, perhaps you would like to purchase some from NPC alchemists.<br><br><br><strong>Internal Alchemy</strong><br><br>Nei Dan, which is another name for internal alchemy, is similar to the external alchemy is principle and in goal.&nbsp; Just like the external alchemy, internal one attempts to achieve personal immortality and it tries to do that by creating substances and compounds with special properties.&nbsp; The difference is that internal alchemist is using his own body as a lab, elements within it as materials and meditation and special exercises as a brewing process.<br><br>Such control over energies and elements of one’s own body allows a&nbsp; practitioner to achieve all kind of amazing affects from increasing power of his/her attacks, to generating fire shield and more.<br><br>Also while not require it is recommended for the practitioners to follow strict diet.&nbsp; What you can produce within your body relies on the material present inside; if you want results you shouldn’t stuff yourself with junk.&nbsp; &nbsp;Some deny themselves meat, others grain, others alcohol… some all of the above… but then again some believe that the richer and bigger your body’s “chemical storage closet” is the better. :)<br><br>Requirements<br>The character needs the skills of Taoism and Internal Alchemy, as well as at least Apprentice in Meditation and Medicine.<br><br><br><strong>Divination</strong><br>Divination obviously deals with predicting the future, but there is also a religious and spiritual aspects as the school also deals with communing with divine and spiritual worlds.&nbsp; Finally the art of Feng Shui is also part of this School.<br>In many ways divination is a priestly/clerical magic rather then sorcery/wizardry.<br>Keep in mind generally speaking this school doesn’t allow you to effect your environment, rather it allows you to read the signs to gain knowledge of that environment.&nbsp; In combat divination is pretty much useless… out of the combat though knowledge can be power.<br>Also keep in mind Taoism is not a fatalistic philosophy, nothing is certain, the fate of a man can be changed; any prediction of doom can be averted.&nbsp; Mostly you will not even get a precise answers, just probabilities.&nbsp; But even if you horoscope says “today you are going to die” know that there are always ways to prevent that from coming true.<br><br>Requirements<br>Naturally you need skills of Taoism and Divination.&nbsp; You also need at least apprentice in Theology, and apprentice in Calligraphy for the spells that require reading the symbols, and apprentice in Architecture for geomancy/feng shui.<br><br><br><strong>Exorcism</strong><br>This school is focusing on battling malevolent ghosts, undead, demons and other supernatural threats to the world of living.<br>Exorcists tend to travel around, since such threats tend to be unwilling to oblige by come to exorcists.<br>Also school requires some essential equipment to perform the techniques and rights correctly.&nbsp; Things like a wooden sword, a mirror, a bell, ritual masks and so on<br><br>Requirements<br>You will need skills of Taoism and Exorcism, and at least apprentice skill if Calligraphy, Theology and Legends. Actually number of spell does not require calligraphy so that one is optional.<br><br>If anyone is interested in learning any of these, I will go through specific stuff with them.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 01:59:41</strong>
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				And lastly the basics of the rules<br><br>Yin-Yang Dice (YyD)<br>Yin-Yang Dice is special Qin element.&nbsp; These are two 10-sided dice, white one (Yang) and black one (Yin).&nbsp; The dice are numbered from 0 to 9 (not from 1 to 10)<br>When we will talk about a result of YyD , we will mean the difference between the values of the dice.&nbsp; Generally you just substract smaller value from the bigger so that result is positive.&nbsp; So if you roll 8 and 3 the YyD result is 5.<br>In some cases though it will matter which die, Yin or Yang rolled a greater value.<br><br>Yin/Yang balance and critical failures<br>If you roll doubles on YyD that’s considered critical success, which means action succeeds automatically and you might get a result more spectacular then on a single success.<br>If the double however is double zeros… well that is critical failure and while it won’t automatically kill the character it will be bad.&nbsp; For example in combat you might break your weapon leaving you at a serious disadvantage for the rest of the fight.<br><br>Basic Test<br>When the result of the action is uncertain, we have to perform a Test.&nbsp; The generic formula for such Test is Aspect + Skill + YyD the result has to be compared with Success Threshold (ST).&nbsp; If result is equal or greater than ST, the action is a success.<br>In cases when no skill is involved you just roll Aspect + YyD.<br><br>Success Margin<br>Often we would like to know not only if we succeed or not but also how well did we do.&nbsp; The difference between the Test and ST is called Success Margin and is used just for that.<br>So for example if you strike with the dagger and have Metal (3) + Dagger (2) + YyD (5) vs. Success Threshold of 7… the Success Margin is 3.<br><br>Several Skills Test<br>When several skills involved in a test, say when you are fighting on horseback and so has to use both you martial skill and riding one… you use for the roll your weakest skill.&nbsp; So if your spear skill is 3 and riding is 2 – you use riding for the Test.<br><br>Opposed Test<br>In case your action is opposed the Test has to be compared with the Test result of the opposition instead of the GM set ST.&nbsp; The higher value generally wins, except that critical success always wins over the simple one, no matter what the numbers are.<br><br>Continuous Tests<br>Some actions take time to complete for example forging a sword, in such cases GM assigns not only ST but also interval and duration of the action.&nbsp; Which means you have to perform the Test multiple times with a regular interval.&nbsp; Sometime you need to succeed on all the Test, sometime you can still accomplish the action if you failed few times.<br><br>Using Chi<br>Chi is used for magic and Taos but it can also be used for normal actions.&nbsp; You can announce before the roll that you are channeling your Chi into the action and say how much.&nbsp; You can add this value to you Test then.&nbsp; So to reuse the dagger attack example you can now say you put 2 chi points into it and get<br>Metal (3) + Dagger (2) + YyD (5) + Chi (2) vs. Success Threshold of 7<br><br>Technically if you out of Chi you cannot use any more Taos or anything else that requires Chi, but that’s not exactly true.&nbsp; You still can use Chi, but for every point of negative Chi you will loose Breath of Life, I would strongly advise you against it (unless you really want to sacrifice yourself to accomplish something) because depending on circumstances such loss of BoL can be permanent.<br><br>Healing and recovering Chi<br>Sooner or later you’re going to get hurt and exhausted.&nbsp; Both Chi and Life recover slowly on their own.&nbsp; You can speed up life recovery by applying first aid or medicine test, and chi recovery by meditation.&nbsp; Additionally food, medicine and potion can be used to help you further.<br><br>The Tests are obvious, the normal test using medicine skill.&nbsp; The only special element is first aid Test, which can be attempted by any character, even the one not trained in the medicine and it only recovers 1 point of the Breath of Life (normal medicine test will recover points based on SM of the test)<br>Naturally critical failure on such tests is not a good thing.<br><br>Finally Chi is also recovered whenever player rolls a balance on YyD and the amount recovered equals to the value on the die.&nbsp; On the other hand critical failure causes immediate loss of 5 chi point, but you cannot go into negative chi this way.<br><br>Combat<br><br>Rounds<br>Combat is divided into rounds; one round is approximately 2-3 seconds.&nbsp; It is usually enough time for a normal person to perform one action but heroes can usually manage several.&nbsp; Basically it depends on character level in appropriate skill.&nbsp; Beginner can do one 1 action a round, Apprentice – 2, Competent – 3, Expert - 4 and so on…<br><br>Exchanges<br>Rounds are divided into Exchanges.&nbsp; Exchange is the time enough for a single action of the heroes.&nbsp; Basically exchange of blows, strike and parry, this sort of thing.&nbsp; The round has number of exchanges equal to the number of actions of the most active character.&nbsp; If one character has more actions then the others, he will act alone on the last exchanges (since others ran out of actions).&nbsp; There is one exception however, even if you out of actions you can still initiate one more active defense but only by sacrificing action from the next round, in other words you can decide to parry this round, but loose an attack on the next one.<br><br>Distances and facing<br>Generally there are only 2 distances in combat: close combat zone and distance combat zone.&nbsp; Naturally only ranged weapons can be used in “distance zone”.&nbsp; More accurate distance calculations are made for the range combat though… short, medium, long and extreme ranges.<br>As far as facing goes it is assumed that opponents automatically face each other.&nbsp; That does not mean you can’t attack from behind of from a side, but you can only do that if you say use special abilities such as Tao of Six directions, have several people attack one, or sneak up on the enemy.<br><br><br>So what happens in a combat round<br>Initiative<br>First each char figures out his initiative in this round. Initiative = Water + YyD.&nbsp; The player with the highest initiative moves first, then 2nd highest etc… All exhanges in a round follow the same sequence and only on the next round would initiative be re-rolled. Critical Success on Initiative rolls makes you initiative automatically 1 point higher then the highest normally rolled one in this round.&nbsp; Ties go to the player with higher Water score.&nbsp; If even that doesn’t help – the actions considered to be simultaneous.<br><br>Action<br>Characters take simple actions.&nbsp; Examples are Move, Catch a Projectile, Attack in Close Combat, Attack in Ranged, Active Defense and more, it is impossible to define all the action you can potentially take, the final decision as to how many exchanges does the action takes is up to GM.<br><br>Active Defense<br>This action as you have no doubt guessed sacrifices an attack for a much better chance to defend yourself from an incoming attack.&nbsp; Active defense could be block/parry or dodge, in the first case corresponding martial skill will be used, in the second dodge skill will be.&nbsp; Oh and you can’t parry/block arrows and other projectiles unless you are at least an expert in a skill.<br><br>Balance and Critical Failures<br>As you can expect critical success on an attack will produce better results such as increased damage for instance, critical success in attack can only be stopped by a critical success in active defense.&nbsp; Critical success in active defense unopposed by critical in attack, not only allows you to defend successfully but give you +1 initiative in the next exchange.&nbsp; Naturally critical failure are bad things, causing damage to your weapon or armor, and similar.<br><br>Damage<br>Damage is calculated as Metal + Weapon Damage + YyD.&nbsp; However, this is a special YyD, attack is Yang action and YyD is added only if Yang value is greater than Yin value.&nbsp; Otherwise it is just Metal + Weapon Damage.<br>Apparently Rolling the balance on this YyD simply adds the value on the die to the damage.&nbsp; So rolling 8 Yang and 1 Yin produces same exactly damage as rolling double 7s.&nbsp; Oh well…<br>Finally unarmed combat damage according to the book is simply Metal + YyD since you have no weapon, but I am adding a house rule here.&nbsp; Competent skill level in unarmed gives you +1 damage and master skill gives you plus 2.<br><br>Penalties and Bonuses<br>Every Test, combat or not, can have modifiers applied to ST.&nbsp; Searching for something in the dark is harder than in a normal light, attacking from behind is easier than face to face, etc.&nbsp; The possibilities however are endless and ultimately come down to GM decision so I am not going to bother posting tables of possible modifiers.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kotah</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 06:03:50</strong>
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				I need so much help.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 09:06:29</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2422622#msg2422622">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 07-11-2009, 00:31:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">First things first ... I'd like to do this as a strongly character driven game, which means that the players decide what way the games goes, while I'm about 3 steps ahead making stuff up ;) . The best way to do this is to have plot hooks that I can work with from everyones character concepts.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I love this so much :D!<br><br>Fine, here are my concepts, still waiting for approval/critique. If nothing else, they all give plot hooks.<br>Of course, I think they wouldn't be the only ones, so you will have plenty of things to plan ahead...<br><br>1. A thief from Qin, who wants to steal the most precious flower of Qi - the daughter of the First Minister! And then he would expose the fact in order to shame him and bring him down, which would put the kingdom in turmoil, allowing to be conquered easily.<br>2. A warrior from Qin, who wants to avenge his sister by defeating his rival, gaining fame and riches in the process. It helps that his rival is from another kingdom, or the mighty ruler of Qin might oppose him.<br>3. A sorcerer fighting off occult foes and secret societies, looking for the heritage of White Raven, said to contain the ultimate prize. The secret of immortality is at stake here, and there is no ruler or savant who doesn't want it for himself!<br><br>For now, I'm thinking about the thief character. I expect there will be at least two occult masters among the players, and I'm pretty sure <em>everybody</em> would know to fight.<br>A dedicated martial artist is definitely another possibility in an age of wars, though ;). Basically, that's a question between broad specialists <em>helping</em> each other when they overlap, and a team of narrow experts. Most wuxia characters are broad specialists, able to function when one of them is kidnapped :P.<br><br>The system seems simple enough. I'll have to pick Taos and the skills to meet the requisites, but that looks easy.<br><br>I'll be waiting for comments on the concepts now.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 11:49:08</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2423595#msg2423595">Quote from: Kotah on 07-11-2009, 06:03:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I need so much help.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Feel free to add me to your MSN and I'll help as much as I can. It may be tonight before I can settle down to do that though, as I have to go out shortly.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 12:09:35</strong>
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				Ok, something I forgot to post last night - The Secondary Aspects<br><br>Secondary aspects are derived from the primary ones so strictly speaking you do not need to know how these are calculated - I can calculate them for you.<br><br>However you should know what the secondary aspects are and what are they for.<br><br><strong>Chi</strong><br><br>Chi is what lets you fuel your magic and taos. It's what makes the fun stuff happen ;)&nbsp; <br><br>Spent Chi regenerates slowly although there are ways to speed up that recovery. This includes having sex, if you know the right internal alchemy technique ;)<br><br>Chi value depends on character Balance, Earth Aspect Value and his/her highest Skill. (Balance is<br>(Metal + Water) – (Fire + Wood) OR (Fire + Wood) - (Metal + Water) whichever is a positive number)<br><br>The actual formula involves a distribution table but it is enough to know that the higher the Balance, Earth and skill level you got - the more Chi you will receive.<br><br><br><strong>Passive Defense</strong><br><br>Basically how hard it is to hit the character.&nbsp; It is calculated as Water+Wood+2<br><br><br><strong>The Breath of Life</strong><br><br>Basically hit points, interesting element though that as character accumulates injuries it begins to affect his actions.&nbsp; This is represented through the levels of the Breath of Life which are:<br>Normal, Bruised, Slightly Injured, Seriously Injured, and Fatally Injured<br><br>Character with BoL of 15 for example will have his hit points broken down like this: 5/4/3/2/1 which means he is normal if he too 5 points of damage or less, bruised for the next 4, and so on<br><br>As the levels of injury grow - greater and greater penalties are applied to character actions.<br><br>Amount of breath of life is calculated with 2 distribution tables, but the basic rule is this - the higher the character Balance and Resistance are the more hit points he has and the more damage it takes to move to the next breath of life level.<br><br>In the chi section I've described how to figure out your Balance, and Resistance is calculated as Metal + Earth<br><br>Breath of life might also be improved with related Taos, etc
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 12:11:23</strong>
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				Oh boy...kinda lost here. o.O
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Voichin</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 13:23:19</strong>
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				OK, you said that we'll have more starting points than the normal. How much exactly?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 14:10:24</strong>
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				I'm thinking build as normal, then add say 60 XP. That will give people a chance to boost their skills and taos up a level or two, and add some stats maybe. Alternately, give a couple of extra points for stats, and a further 10 or 15 points that could be divided between skills, taos, magic and techniques. If anyone has a preference, I'm happy to listen.<br><br>What I might do this evening (I'm about to run out the door now) is to do a sample character, which should hopefully help illustrate how it works.<br><br>NightFall .. don't worry too much about the mechanics. I'll help with that. Just get a concept worked up ... who and what the person is, perhaps some notable deeds from their past. <br><br>I'd say to everyone for now, just concentrate on the character concept. We can take a little time to iron out the mechanics as we go.<br><br>One other thing is that it says in the book that the skills and such are not an exhaustive list. This means we can add new skills, taos, combat abilities and so on. If you come up with something particularly cool and characterfull that the rules don't cover, we can talk about it, and maybe add it in.<br><br>Wuxia is larger than life. Be the Big Damn Heros :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 14:13:50</strong>
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				I need time to read over everything. Gee, there's a lot of stuff here.&nbsp; ;D<br><br>My brain is all cramped from churning out new characters. I need sleep as well.<br><br>I'll take a look at this again when I have more brain cells to spare.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 14:16:39</strong>
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				As I said, don't worry about the mechanics for the moment. Just work up a character concept you like, and then we can take it from there.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 14:47:30</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2424260#msg2424260">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 07-11-2009, 14:10:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>Wuxia is larger than life. Be the Big Damn Heros :)</strong><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I felt like it needs to be repeated ;D!<br><br>On a more serious note, I'm working on a character now. My flu made a comeback, so I'm away from a computer most of the time, but I plan to be ready before Monday.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>07-11-2009, 19:23:37</strong>
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				And of course, There Must Always Be A Boss Fight.&nbsp; Don't forget that one...&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)<br><br>I'm inclined to accept the suggestion about my character (Scholar with a few martial abilities) being an ex-Mohist who changed jobs under questionable circumstances.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br><br>Thanks for the summary, HH!&nbsp; That'll help a lot.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 00:47:24</strong>
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				I got home a LOT later than I'd figured I would, so coherent rules posting should wait for tomorrow.<br><br>On a positive note, my Scion now has Weapon Proficiency in Minotaur&nbsp; ;D. Gotta love a game where you can pick up one bad guy and beat on his friend with him. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 01:59:25</strong>
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				Remember, HH, Minotaurs count as Rare weapons! There haven't been a whole lot of them, despite what might happen to some cows in the Ex sections of this site!<br><br>On an unrelated note, my character is not ready either, so going to sleep would be a better idea for me, too!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 13:46:11</strong>
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				Ok, I'm going to go through a sample character build, and see if it helps clarify for people how to build their character. First of all, the concept. Let's take a classic. Farm boy makes it big. <em>Use the chi, Lu Ke</em>&nbsp; ;D<br><br>Step 1, concept and history.<br><br>Wu Sung, the Magnificent Tiger Slayer<br><br>Wu Sung left his farm after the rains did not come, and his rice failed. With little to see him on his way but his natural strength and large staff (and a handfull of carefully hoarded coins) he went out to see what world there was beyond his village.<br><br>Walking for several days he came to an inn at the foot of the mountains, where he was overcome by hunger and thirst. The Innkeeper warned him of two things. First, that the speciality rice wine of the inn was very strong, and he would not recommend anyone take more than one bottle. Second, that a terrible man eating tiger haunted the mountains, and people went over the pass only in caravans, and heavily armed.<br><br>Wu Sung knew that the innkeeper was simply greedy, and wanted him to stay and spend more of his coins on more of that wonderfull rice wine, but after 8 bottles he decided he really should push on over the mountain while there was still light. He ignored the innkeepers protestations and off he went.<br><br>As he climbed he saw several posters. He couldn't read what was on them, but the face of a tiger was clearly recognisable. <em>Cunning old innkeeper</em> he thought. <em>Trying to make people believe his story.</em> On he walked, and after a little while he began to feel somewhat strange. Obviously the rice he had eaten was slightly off, and it was making him unwell. As he considered this, he was not watching quite where he was going, and tripped over a rock, falling to his knees.<br><br>All in all, this could be considered a good thing, as it meant the man eating tiger flew over his back, rather than into it. By the time he had gotten back up, the tiger was turned around and stalking towards him. With a roar it lept towards him, and Wu Sung thrust out his staff to keep it back. Because of the roar, his staff went down the tigers throat, and was torn from his hand.<br><br>By the time Wu Sung recovered from this, the tiger was clawing at the staff and making horrible choking noises. <em>Poor thing.</em> he thought, and went to help it. The tiger apparently did not appreciate his noble aim, and lashed out at him with a claw.<br><br>Such rude behaviour infuriated Wu Sung, who kicked the tiger under the jaw, and then thumped it on the top of its head with his mighty fist. The tiger collapsed under the blow, but struggled to rise, still making choked growling sounds. Wu Sung hopped onto its back, wrapped his arms around its throat, and squeezed.<br><br>The tiger rolled and roared, but could not shift him. Its roars became weaker, and its struggles too, and soon it collapsed to the ground. Wu Sung considered getting up, but the tiger was actually quite comfortable, and he decided to close his eyes and rest for just a few minutes.<br><br>It was there that the magistrates tiger hunters found him, and carried him, and the tiger, back to the town in triumph, loudly praising the Magnificient Tiger Slayer. The magistrate offered him many toasts (with that same delicious rice wine of the innkeepers) and offered him the reward, in gold and silver, that had amassed for the felling of the terrible beast. Wu Sung, overcome with his heady victory, refused, and said instead the money should go to the families of those killed by the beast (thus proving himself to be a true hero, and superior man).<br><br>Thus was begun the legend of Wu Sung, the Magnificent Tiger Slayer.<br><br>Next, the rules for our hero.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 14:46:25</strong>
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				We have 14 points to spend on stats. 2 is an average score.<br><br>Metal (Yin)<br>Personality: Metal corresponds to an active and open-minded temperament which is also sure of its own clearly-defined ideas.<br>Characteristic : martial attribute - strength, resilience, martial spirit<br><br>Definitely sounds like Wu Sung. Lets give him 4 in metal.<br><br>Water (Yin)<br>Personality: Water is the reflection of a calm, inwardlooking temperament, marked by great sensitivity, dreams and imagination.<br>Characteristic : Physical attribute - agility, speed...<br><br>Not really a calm person, but he has good agility and speed. We'll give him 3 for this.<br><br>Fire (Yang)<br>Personality: Fire corresponds to a dynamic, ambitious and aggressive temperament, which is expressed through physical domination and spiritual elevation.<br>Characteristic : Social attribute - charisma, intuition, artistic ability.<br><br>Well, he does seem rather ambitious and agressive, so lets go with 3.<br><br>Wood (Yang)<br>Personality: Wood corresponds to a flexible and adaptable temperament, but one which is prone to anxiety and instability in times of insecurity.<br>Characteristic: Mental attribute - intelligence, memory, reasoning<br><br>Just average here I think. 2<br><br>Earth (Balance)<br>Personality: Earth corresponds to a nervous temperament, where a fragile physical form conceals profound and complex mental activity.<br>Characteristic: Mystical attribute - willpower, spirit, magical affinity.<br><br>And again, average, 2.<br><br>So, if we look at his chi now, it is the difference between his yin and yang. Balance is (Metal + Water) – (Fire + Wood) OR (Fire + Wood) - (Metal + Water) whichever is a positive number.&nbsp; His yin is 7, his yang is 5, so he has a blance of 2, and an earth of 2.<br><br>A balance of 2 gives him a basic chi value of 3. This is multiplied by his earth (2) and his best skill level. Ok, we don't have skill levels done yet, so we let this sit. For now. (6 x ?)<br><br>Lets look at his gift next. Courage of the Tiger sounds quite fitting. Little scares the Magnificent Tiger Slayer.<br><br>Next his weakness. Impetuosity of the Horse : The character is hotblooded, quick to overreact to the slightest insult or provocation, and prone to violence. That seems to fit quite nicely.<br><br>Next up, skills. Wu Sung has 15 points to buy his skills. Apprentice is 1, competant 3, expert 6. <br><br>Metal<br>Bangshu (stick) (2)- Competant (1 + 3) <br>Hand to Hand (2) - Competant (1 + 3)<br><br>Water<br>Dodging (2) - Competant (1 + 3)<br><br>Fire<br>Intimidation (1) - Apprentice (1)<br><br>Wood<br>Perception (1) - Apprentice (1)<br><br>Earth<br>Legends (1) - Apprentice (1)<br><br>So, since his best skill is rank 2, we can now work out his chi. 6 x 2 gives him 12 chi points to 'fuel' his mystical abilities. As his stats and skills change though, so will his chi. But we'll work that out as we spend the XP in a little while.<br><br>We can also work out his passive defence and breath of life now.<br><br>Passive defense is Water + Wood +2, which gives us a total of 7. <br><br>Breath of Life requires a couple of other calculations that I can worry about, but in Wu Sungs case it comes out as follows: <br><br>Breath of Life : 19<br>7 - Normal<br>5 - Bruised<br>4 - Slightly injured<br>2 - Serious injured<br>1 - Fatally injured<br><br>The more injured you get, the higher the success value becomes when you try to do things.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 15:14:16</strong>
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				Taos and combat techniques, again 15 points to spend. These are bought slightly differently. The costs are again 1, 3, 6, but you don't need to buy the previous level.<br><br>If I want to buy a Competant technique, it costs just 3, rather than 4, and expert would cost 6 rather than 10. I can only buy up to my skill level though, which means competant for Wu Sungs martial abilities.<br><br>With his staff, Wu Sung takes Hold at Bay (1 point) and Total Block (3 points) skills.<br>For his hand to hand, he takes Strangle (3 points)<br><br>This leaves him a further 7 points to spend on Taos. These are bought in sequence, and with cumulative costs.<br><br>Tao of Sudden Lightning (1) - 1 point (Cannot be taken by surprise)<br>Tao of Yin and Yang (2) - 4 points (May adjust yin or yang dice by 1 point, and change which is which)<br>Tao of the Destructive Breath (1) - Destroy small inanimate objects, do more damange normally.<br>Tao of Six Directions (1) - Moves faster<br><br>So, these are all my character points spent. Next we move on to spending the bonus XP.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 15:55:22</strong>
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				So, lets summarise Wu Sung before we start spending our bonus XP<br><br><strong>Aspects</strong><br>Metal 4<br>Water 3<br>Fire 3<br>Wood 2<br>Earth 2<br><br><strong>Gift and Weakness</strong><br>Courage of the Tiger <br>Impetuosity of the Horse <br><br><strong>Skills:</strong><br><em>Metal</em><br>Bangshu (stick) (2)- Hold at Bay and Total Block<br>Hand to Hand (2) - Strangle<br><br><em>Water</em><br>Dodging (2) <br><br><em>Fire</em><br>Intimidation (1) <br><br><em>Wood</em><br>Perception (1) <br><br><em>Earth</em><br>Legends (1) <br><br><strong>Taos</strong><br>Tao of Sudden Lightning (1) <br>Tao of Yin and Yang (2) <br>Tao of the Destructive Breath (1) <br>Tao of Six Directions (1) <br><br>Breath of Life : 19<br>7 - Normal<br>5 - Bruised<br>4 - Slightly injured<br>2 - Serious injured<br>1 - Fatally injured<br><br>Chi: 12<br><br>Passive Defense: 7<br><br>All new skills, taos and techniques cost 4 xp per level you want to move to. Aspects cost 5 times the level you want. I have 60 XP to spend.<br><br>Wu Sung has spent the last few months travelling the land, and doing heroic deeds. Let's see what he has picked up along the way.<br><br>He spent a month travelling with a Fang Shi, who taught him more of the spirit world, and the creatures that lurk in the dark places, and how to better channel his chi. He has also started to learn how to read and write<br><br>Calligraphy (1) - 4 points<br>Exorcism (1) - 4 points<br>Increase Earth from 2 to 3 - 15 points<br><br>In chasing and capturing the bandits of the Howling Ghost Wind gang, he learned a little more of bureaucracy in dealing with magistrates, and a few other things out in the wilds.<br><br>Bureaucracy (1) - 4 points<br>Survival (Forest) (1) - 4 points<br>Bangshu (2) to (3) - 12 points<br><br>Tao of 6 directions (1) to (2) - 8 points<br>Tao of the Destructive Breath (1) to (2) - 8 points<br><br>which leaves us 1 XP left over. Can't do much with that, so bank it for now. And lets see how our character has now changed.<br><br><strong>Aspects</strong><br>Metal 4<br>Water 3<br>Fire 3<br>Wood 2<br>Earth 3<br><br><strong>Gift and Weakness</strong><br>Courage of the Tiger <br>Impetuosity of the Horse <br><br><strong>Skills:</strong><br><em>Metal</em><br>Bangshu (stick) (3)- Hold at Bay and Total Block<br>Hand to Hand (2) - Strangle<br><br><em>Water</em><br>Dodging (2) <br>Survival (Forest) (1)<br><br><em>Fire</em><br>Intimidation (1) <br><br><em>Wood</em><br>Perception (1) <br>Calligraphy (1)<br>Bureaucracy (1) <br><br><em>Earth</em><br>Legends (1) <br>Exorcism (1)<br><br><strong>Taos</strong><br>Tao of Sudden Lightning (1) <br>Tao of Yin and Yang (2) <br>Tao of the Destructive Breath (2) - Doors and support beams are no match for his strength<br>Tao of Six Directions (2) - Wu Sung is even faster, and can now defy gravity, being able to run up a 3 meter wall.<br><br>Breath of Life : 19<br>7 - Normal<br>5 - Bruised<br>4 - Slightly injured<br>2 - Serious injured<br>1 - Fatally injured<br><br>Wu Sung has increased his highest skill level (2 to 3), and his earth so now needs to increase his chi to reflect that.<br>Chi: Balance x Earth x Skill = 3 x 3 x 3 = 27<br><br>Passive Defense: 7<br><br>Wu Sung, the Magnificent Tiger Slayer is now ready to go out and watch the story of his deeds grow, and become a legend to inspire future generations.<br><br>Hopefully this has helped people get an idea of how to put a character together. If you want to know the specifics of any rules (Tao level abilities and Magic in particular), let me know.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 16:06:37</strong>
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				What is the effect of Impure blood? I have been considering it, but it seems it's not from the corebook ;).<br>I'm writing two characters in the meantime and unless I dislike one of them, I'll post both, so you could choose.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 16:35:06</strong>
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				Impure Blood : The character is visibly of barbarian or foreign stock. Many of the inhabitants of the Zhongguo will treat him with intolerance, mistrust or even hatred. Whether half-blood, Xiongnu, or from even further afield, he will find acceptance hard to come by.<br><br><br>You're part barbarian :)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 16:51:25</strong>
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				I was asking about the mechanical effect here ;). Being part barbarian is fine with me.<br>Or I will just take something else.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 16:55:03</strong>
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				The mechanical effect would be having pretty much everyone treat you like a second class person. Scorn, hostility etc etc, depending on power and prestige levels.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 17:15:21</strong>
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				Fair enough, and pull no punches! If I am to take it, than that's what I wanted ;).<br>The question was, would it be possible to get him to a high position, gain him the hearth of a civilized woman, or recognition for his achievements? Or would the barrier be impossible to overcome, no matter what?<br>I'm checking the XP now. Shouldn't take that long.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 17:26:34</strong>
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				Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe, but I'm inclined to think it would take something of almost supernatural levels of achievement to manage.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 17:33:37</strong>
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				I am sadistic towards my characters, as long as it still leaves them the ghost of a chance, so this works for me :P!<br>The question is whether I wouldn't like Wanted or Curse of the Zhu Rong instead. Bounty hunters can be as fun as racial intolerance, as can be personal revenge against a powerful figure!
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 17:40:29</strong>
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				I suppose it depends which fits better with the overall character concept.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 18:21:54</strong>
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				All of them do, that's why there is a problem ;D!<br>Ah well, let's leave it for the edit. Now, check the rest.<br><br>Li San Shan/Wencheng (Li "Three Mountains"/"Greatness is born", name given by his father obviously)<br>The thief from Beijing, master of the chopsticks ;D<br><br>Description<br>Of above average height and form, he moves with surprising agility. The man known as Li wears a short, close-fitting blue chang pao, and closefitting pants. His clothes are worn yet clean, and above all, unremarkable, while his hair is set in a bun held by silver pins in the shape of snakes. Obviously, this should be his year of birth, for who why wear the animal otherwise, unless one is superstitious?<br>That's possible, too. Most people don't get to know him for long enough to ask. He is a face in a sea of faces.<br>Well, unless you are from Wulin, or you are into statecraft. Then you probably know about him. <br>People in Wulin know about the "Li kuàizi" (Li's chopsticks). The Dagger Art of the Li family is known to be fast, natural and deceiving, like the movements of chopsticks. <br>If you are into statecraft, you want to keep track of people who can go everywhere, bring anything, and probably kill anyone... although you don't mention this when dealing with them. The Li family takes pride in not being common killers. Sometimes, they have killed, when noticed. Some people even think that they allowed to be noticed in order to kill a target without losing face...<br>And they take care not to mention this either. The Li family doesn't object at all to killing in revenge.<br>Now, the scion of Li, wielding the Li kuaize, is young and not quite experienced. He had recently clashed with a magistrate of Qin/Zhao/Qi (pick one, GM!). It is within the tradition of Li family to help peasants, when they are oppressed...or they think they are. not only is it the law of Heavens, it is always better to have a place to hide in the country!<br>Documents proving the magistrate guilty of corruption had been stolen and exposed. The magistrate suicided. Since he was a cousin of the First Minister's second wife, the latter was less than pleased. <br>Not only wasn't Li Chui Xue afraid, he also made it public knowledge that he intended to steal the First Minister's daughter, known for her beauty in thousands li! Even if this was only a jest, the father contacted a well-known bodyguard to protect her.<br>Li is already a man not known for empty threats, but who is he going to contact when facing the state's machine, <em>and</em> a martial elder?<br><br>Aspects<br>Metal 3<br>Water 4 <br>Fire 3<br>Wood 3 <br>Earth 2 (10 XP)<br><br>Gift and Weakness <em>(only one of each will remain).</em><br>Child of Shadows / Code of honour (Family codes), Wanted, Air of the Snake<br>Chi: 18<br>Passive Defence : 9<br>Balance: 1<br>Resistance: 5<br>Breath of Life : 19 (7/5/4/2/1)<br>Renown: 3<br>Skills<br>Daoshu (knives) 2=&gt;3 (12XP), Dodging 2, Stealth 3=&gt; (12XP), Meditation 1, Acrobatics 1, Perception 1, Seduction 1 (4XP), Calligraphy 1 (4 XP).<br><br>Taos<br>Tao of the Hidden shadow (level 3/6points)<br>Tao of the 6 directions (level 2/3 points)<br>Tao of the Inner Eye (level 1/1point)<br>Tao of the light step (level 1/1point)<br><br>Combat Techniques (starting ones are bolded)<br>Daoshu:<br>Level 1<br>Direct hit (4XP), <strong>Two Weapons</strong><br>Level 2<br><strong>Mystification</strong><br>Level 3<br>Combination (12 XP)<br><br>Unless I'm really wrong, I have spent 58 XP, banking 2.<br><em>(Yes, he is not a master of unarmed combat, and this is intentional. Qin is not a game about Shaolin masters anyway, and since there is war in the kingdom, most masters perfect the use of weapons. All the signature characters from the book use weapons, even if just a stick, and so do the characters in WuXia films).</em>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 18:29:12</strong>
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				The gifts and weaknesses .. are they the ones you're considering? Since I think you're only supposed to take one of each.<br><br>Then again, you are heros, so I might be persuaded to let people take a second if they <em>really</em> wanted it. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 18:51:10</strong>
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				Given my profound dislike for rules-bending, they are just the ones I'm most likely to pick from ;) . By the way, everyone can say what they like most, before I make my mind!<br>Other than that, do you approve this character mechanically? Also, is there something that doesn't fit the setting, and does he carry enough plot hooks?<br>I kinda gave up on the warrior character after I noticed he looks too much like another character I have played. I tend to avoid that.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 19:00:54</strong>
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				I think we had one or two other people with initial character concepts of assassins of one form or another, so I'd like to see others concepts before we get too worked into details. I haven't crunched the numbers on yours yet, but it looks ok on a glance.<br><br>You might want to consider a few more skills, but that's just an opinion.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 19:11:46</strong>
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				He's not an assassin, it would cost him to lose face. That's the point of having a code, after all! Well, that and bragging rights about sticking to your code, I guess ;D.<br><br>I'll think about more skills, maybe I could drop Feint and buy some skills ;). I was planning to buy them with XP later in the game.<br>Speaking of which, how are we going to receive XP :P?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 19:15:57</strong>
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				Ah .. it sounded like he was an assassin from how I read the description.<br><br>XP is always the fun part in a forum game since we can't do it per session, it will probably work per scene. Since I'd expect to get a few scenes in in a regular tabletop session, probably a flat 1 XP per scene, and 1 XP for doing anything particularly noteworthy in a scene. How does that sound?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 19:35:56</strong>
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				No, persuading him to kill for money is going to be hard, whether I go for Code of Honour or not. Probably will try to avoid unnecessary casualties, too, since it shows someone has spotted him.<br>Now, killing if it's absolutely necessary, or for money, honour, passion, or just to get even? He's likely to be fine with that. The code of Li family frowns on <em>contract</em> killings, but they are part of the martial circles, after all.<br><br>Personally, I'm fine with this amount of XP. It means I'd be able to take a new skill in two scenes, or improve a Tao. Someone with 0 XP will do the same in 4 scenes, less for being noteworthy.<br>As I said, that's fine if it fits the pacing you want.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 19:44:49</strong>
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				We can try it at that level, and see if we need to give more or less once we have some game time in.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 20:16:03</strong>
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				As I said, works for me ;)!<br><br>Funny, I had forgotten the Chi and Breath of Life. Edited the character, and I'm thinking about some Diplomacy and Seduction skills.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-11-2009, 20:17:19</strong>
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				I think they'd help. Maybe some social type ones, if he has to deal with society as a whole, rather than on an individual basis ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>09-11-2009, 02:59:49</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Behold, the placeholder...which shall be completed piecemeal.<br><br>Name: Wu Zhishen ("Sagacious Wu")<br>Concept: Disillusioned Scholar<br><br>Appearance: Wu Zhishen is not a very impressive fellow, being a little shorter and a little plumper than the average Chou.&nbsp; He has a round face and unruly hair that invariably resists any attempt to keep it neat.&nbsp; His sartorial arrangements are much simpler than the used to be--he now favors hard-wearing, practical garb to the fancier robes of his days at the school of his ex-master.<br><br>History:&nbsp; Wu Zhishen used to be, in another life and another name, the youngest son of a well-to-do minor nobleman.&nbsp; When he showed some promise as a scholar, his father reluctantly changed his plans and allowed&nbsp; the boy to attend a distant school.&nbsp; While there, he became acquainted with Mohism and, in a burst of youthful enthusiasm, abandoned his studies to fall in with a local temple dedicated to the pacifistic way of brotherly harmony.&nbsp; This got him expelled from his studies, disowned by his family, and generally in hot water after he found out that he wasn't really cut out for a life of virtuous poverty.&nbsp; Still, he did his best to stick to it and live by his new creed, he really did.<br><br>At least until the attack.&nbsp; It might have been bandits, or a raid, or a local warlord who didn't care for Mohists, but one day he returned from an punitive errand to find his compatriots all slain and their home in flames.&nbsp; He did what he could for the dying, buried the fallen, and wandered away.&nbsp; For reasons he himself cannot clearly articulate, he set aside the pen and scroll for the sword that day and went in search of a truly just realm to serve.<br><br>His ambitions are barred by three things: legalism is too harsh, mohism is too idealistic for this chaotic age, and he is no longer blind to the costs of living the good life he desires.&nbsp; Nightly his former fellows visit him to chastise him for his failings, for not being there, for not having done enough...and his old master is the worst of these!<br><br><br><br>Aspects:<br>Metal - 3<br>Water - 3<br>Fire - 3<br>Wood - 4<br>Earth - 3<br><br>Balance 1<br><br>Gift and Weakness:<br>Favorite of Wen Chang (Literature)<br>Haunted Soul<br><br>Skills (by Aspect):<br>Metal: Art of War 1, Hand to Hand 1, Improvisation 1, Jianshu 2, Qiangshu 1, Gongshu 1<br>Water: Dodging 1 <br>Fire: Eloquence 1, Etiquette 1, Heraldry 1 <br>Wood: History 2, Calligraphy 1, Literature 1, Science 1<br>Earth: Legends 1, Empathy 1, Meditation 1<br><br>Taos: (11 points total)<br>Tao of the Light Step - Sure Footed 1 <br>Tao of the Clear Mind - The Tranquil Mind 2 <br>Tao of Yin and Yang - Controller of Energy 2<br>Tao of the Inner Eye - The Keen Eye 1 <br>Tao of the Thousand Bees - Throw 1 <br>Tao of the Sudden Lightning - Vigilance 1<br>Tao of the Breath of Power - The Improvised Shield 1<br><br>Combat Techniques:<br>Hand to Hand Throw 1<br>Jiangshu: Direct Hit, Total Block, Trap<br>Qiangshu: Repel<br><br><br>Breath of Life: 19<br>7 - Normal<br>5 - Bruised<br>4 - Slightly injured<br>2 - Serious injured<br>1 - Fatally injured<br><br>Chi: 18<br>Passive Defense: 9<br>Reknown: 2<br><br>XP Log<br><br>Qiangshu (spears, etc): spears and polearms 1 (4)<br>Gongshu (archery): any bow but not crossbow. 1 (4) 52<br>Metal 3 (15 )&nbsp; 37<br>Earth 3 (15)&nbsp; 22<br>Meditation 1 (4) 10<br>Jianshu 2 (8) 2<br>Empathy 1 (4)<br>Spear Technique: Repel (4)<br>2 banked<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>09-11-2009, 12:11:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2428237#msg2428237">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 08-11-2009, 20:17:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I think they'd help. Maybe some social type ones, if he has to deal with society as a whole, rather than on an individual basis ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's probably a good idea. Of course, good ideas are not always the ones we use, but maybe Bureaucracy might be useful, too.<br>I probably need to find a better first name for Li, too.<br><br>Guys, we've got the King of Thieves and Disillusioned scholar characters. I'm pretty sure we are going to have at least one Beautiful Female Assassin, too, and a guy called dibs on an Exorcist.<br>Anyone up for playing the Fat Brawler with Huge Appetite, the Blind Swordsman, Death-obsessed Fighter, or another WuXia archetype?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 01:57:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hi HH and the rest,<br><br>I took a good look at my games and realized that at this time I can't get into another system game. I am behind at building 3 or 4 characters plus keeping up with the rest of my one on ones. I'm going to have to bow out of this game, sadly, unless someone would like to come up with a character concept for me that I could tweak. I like the challenge of taking on roles, but coming up with one right now - well, my brain isn't cooperating so well. ;D<br><br>Best of luck,<br><br>NightFall
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 01:59:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, there are two perfectly serviceable young ladies in the pregens...one beautiful tomboy renegade warrior, and a spy.&nbsp; Would either of those appeal to you, Nightfall?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:13:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Great - you had to give me those choices? I like both of them! *laughs*<br><br>Maybe I should go the beautiful tomboy renegade warrior part.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:15:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll send you the stats via PM later tonight, and I'm sure HH will help you adjust 'em if you ask.&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:22:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hurray - I'm saved. ;D<br><br>Thanks, Panda.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:25:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bu ke qi! (/Mandarin)&nbsp; (ahem)&nbsp; You're quite welcome!&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:30:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not a problem :)<br><br>Tell me what you want to tweak, and I'll set out some options.<br><br>..<br><br>Tomorrow.<br><br>Bed now :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:32:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*eyes the strange looking "Mandarin" from Panda.*<br><br>G'night, HH. Let's see how we can make this girl into my own character. *grins*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:33:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, it isn't like this keyboard has the right bits on it for the tonal marks...&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:44:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You see my eyes? They are watching you, Panda!<br><br>*cackles*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 02:51:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				MP, please&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; We've a few other Pandas wandering about the forums here, but I'm the only one that's Mad.&nbsp; As in crazy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:17:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Great, now I have to watch you even more closely cause you're one of those MAD Pandas!&nbsp; :o
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:21:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, if you really want to know, MadPanda is short for The Mad Panda of Romantic Entropy.&nbsp; Long, long, long story that involves a GURPS Martial Arts Ranma 1/2 game and my role therein at a local convention three years running.<br><br>Also, these days I am somewhat panda-shaped.&nbsp; And I have a thing for the little red ones.&nbsp; (points to avatar)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:23:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I love the Panda/father in Ranma 1/2!<br><br>*pours a kettle of water on you*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:26:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, that's the character I was playing.&nbsp; Of course, this was before I saw enough Ranma 1/2 to truly appreciate what an idiot Genma can be...but then, this was before the commercial release of the original series here in the States.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:30:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't talk about Papa Saotome that way! *wails*<br><br>&nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:36:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What?&nbsp; He's a moron!&nbsp; What sort of idiot fails to read the entire manual before implementing an incredibly dangerous training method?&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 04:54:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A funny, lovable panda?<br><br>I like the cuddly panda. Leave him alone.<br><br>*protects Genma panda*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 05:00:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, now!&nbsp; I'm the guy who got stuck playing him the second and third years, on account of I did such a wonderful job the first two times...&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 05:08:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright fine...I'm letting it drop. *laughs*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-11-2009, 05:16:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...and went on to pay homage to him by building a superhero character with a similar problem, only Giant Raccoons are much, much more impressive than Panda.&nbsp; Like, say, when you end up fighting humanoid crayfish, and your GM has forgotten what Raccoons eat...<br><br>('Hello, lunch!')
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 09:33:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2433634#msg2433634">Quote from: MadPanda on 10-11-2009, 05:16:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">...and went on to pay homage to him by building a superhero character with a similar problem, only Giant Raccoons are much, much more impressive than Panda.&nbsp; Like, say, when you end up fighting humanoid crayfish, and your GM has forgotten what Raccoons eat...<br><br>('Hello, lunch!')<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah, to do the same with a Panda, you would need to fight Bamboo-men :D! Not exactly the most popular antagonists... ;)<br><br>To everybody who hasn't posted a character yet: does anyone want to play a standard character from the book that they can customize with the XP?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 22:44:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There's a Qin beastary coming out in a week or two, which I'm hoping might have rules for adding a .. more than human element to it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 23:36:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm perfectly happy with an all-human game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 23:37:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Likewise, but given how much non humans tended to pop up in wuxia, I'm betting they'll appear in a supplement at some point.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 23:45:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure, non-humans are fine in Usagi Yojimbo, but we are not playing Usagi Yojimbo. I don't plan to play them for purely aesthetic reasons.<br>Actually, I plan to go for a Gu Long-style aesthetic, and I don't remember many animals from his books ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-11-2009, 23:52:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I was thinking more like shapeshifters .. the (in)famous 9 tailled fox and suchlike
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-11-2009, 01:06:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I obviously like shapeshifters :P.<br>However, I also consider them human, because they do have a human form. Maybe we just have a different approach to them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-11-2009, 01:11:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Possibly, yeah. I think in the myth we're dealing with (if I remember correctly) an animal that has lived for 1000 years becomes magically awakened, and some then get the ability to shapeshift.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-11-2009, 09:18:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Works the same for me either way :P.<br><br>Now, guys, does anyone have a problem with the system or coming up with a suitable concept?<br>If yes, does anyone want a ready-made character that you can improve, and maybe some tips on how to spend the XP?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>13-11-2009, 09:19:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm going with the tomboyish ready made character. Maybe tweak her a bit. Honestly though, the concept I wanted is pretty much like her already.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-11-2009, 09:54:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Cool. You will have bonus XP to spend though, so start thinking about what you'd like to add or improve and we can help you set it up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-11-2009, 13:19:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anyone needing a hand with character generation?<br><br>I had a look through the new book I got, and there are a couple of new maneuvers and new weapons too, if anyone is interested. <br><br>Weapons:<br>Bian (whip)<br>Flail<br>Flying guillotine (edged disc on end of long chain)<br><br>These all fall under the Bianshu (flexible weapons) skill<br><br>The new techniques are:<br>Suicide attack (counterattack rather than actively defend)<br>Blinding (reflect light to dazzle an opponent)<br>Mounted combat<br>Reducing the distance (get in under your opponents effective range)<br><br>If any of these interest you, tell me your prefered weapon, and I'll let you know if they're applicable or not. <br><br>There are also some new ranged techniques, but I don't think anyone has taken a preference in ranged weapons.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-11-2009, 15:11:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2448440#msg2448440">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 14-11-2009, 13:19:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The new techniques are:<br>Suicide attack (counterattack rather than actively defend)<br>Blinding (reflect light to dazzle an opponent)<br>Mounted combat<br>Reducing the distance (get in under your opponents effective range)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I need a Qi-powered technique to reflect the light? Funny, I think I've seen it in a fencing match already :D!<br><br>On the other hand, maybe Suicide attack or Reducing the distance are applicable for Daoshu?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-11-2009, 16:03:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Those are weapon techniques, not part of the taos.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-11-2009, 00:02:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure, but are there Daoshu variants of said Techniques? if yes, on what level?<br>I could swap something else for them, or gather XP to learn them later.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>15-11-2009, 00:32:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Reducing the distance is a level 3 ability, blinding is a level 6.<br><br>That seems rather high to me for blinding. I would think if you were fighting with 2 daggers you would be able to use one for blinding at a lower level than that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-11-2009, 21:49:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How we coming with character sheets? Anyone needing help?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>18-11-2009, 22:16:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*is behind on all her everloving character sheets*<br><br>&nbsp;&gt;:(<br><br>I'm sorry, HH.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-11-2009, 22:16:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Its ok :)<br><br>You need a hand with anything?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NightFall</strong> on <strong>18-11-2009, 22:34:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes...yes I do.<br><br>I PMed you. ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>18-11-2009, 23:49:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				D'oh!&nbsp; Description!&nbsp; Gotta make the time to fill that out...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-11-2009, 01:36:46</strong>
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				I've 2 or 3 other people I'm helping do up characters via PM and such, so hopefully we'll have 5 players for this before too long :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 00:35:25</strong>
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				Glad to hear that!<br>I'm a bit busy with right now, so I'm extremely glad I have created the character already. Minor changes can be done in 15 minute or so, and I have time before posting for the first time, after all.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 00:45:17</strong>
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				If anyone has ideas for plot hooks they'd like me to try and use, fire them through.<br><br>I have a sort of generic idea coming together to get people moving, but I figure I can work in the other stuff as we go along. Expect Fate or the Gods to drop in mysterious strangers, old flames, former best friends turned rivals and all that other cliched stuff ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 00:46:58</strong>
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				And of course someone might simply have chosen the wrong inn at which to catch a cup of tea.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 01:01:59</strong>
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				Destiny is a wonderfull thing&nbsp; ;)<br><br>Or possibly a certain Stone Monkey is around and amusing himself.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 13:59:06</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2475565#msg2475565">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 23-11-2009, 00:45:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If anyone has ideas for plot hooks they'd like me to try and use, fire them through.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>School/clan rivalry, since these aren't really different things in ancient China.<br>Love story, where the father is less-than-happy a Jianghu member wants to marry his daughter/son (depending on who's interested in this subplot). Ancient Chinese didn't watch Hong Kong films, I guess, so they didn't know they should be honoured.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Solaine</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 14:27:05</strong>
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				Hello guys! I'm new to system games, this is my very first one.&nbsp; Be gentle with me please (only kidding, I look forward to kicking butt wuxia-style here just as much as any of you guys :D)&nbsp; <br><br>Thufir I hope you don't mind that I used your character sheet as a template. Yours was so full of awesomeness. O.o&nbsp; I was just a little bit confused (okay, a LOT confused) so needed all the assistance I can get. :P&nbsp; Thanks Hairy for your help! <br><br><br><br>(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/aag567/Role%20Playing/FenZhuinvillage3.jpg)<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br>Fen Zhu (“fragrant bamboo")<br>Wandering mercenary with no past<br><br><br><br><strong>Description</strong><br>Of average female height and slender build, with luminous dark eyes and long silky hair left flowing over her shoulders after having to sell her jade-studded combs, and wearing a simple white shift, Fen Zhu travels from village to village, searching.&nbsp; For what, she did not know.&nbsp; Even her name was not her own, given to her by the farmer whose family and farm she had saved from a group of marauding bandits known in the region as the Rat Fangs.<br><br>Her stunning skill and grace with the bamboo that the farmer used as a walking stick leveled all five of the invaders, and with her fragile beauty, earned her the name.&nbsp; She could not tell him how she had acquired this fighting skill, nor could she tell him and his wife how she had come to be found unconscious in the woods on the edge of their farm.&nbsp; Her mind was a tormented blank.&nbsp; <br><br>Soon after the defeat of the bandits who had raided and terrorized the farms and villages in the area, her fame spread, and soon she wanders the countryside with her bamboo, finding welcome in villages needing her services, and receiving nothing more than the sustenance of their kindness and whatever handfuls of rice they could spare her.&nbsp; And in her travels, she searched for answers--- who she was, where she came from, and what the meaning was of the intricate mark branded into the skin of her right hip.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>&nbsp;<br><strong>Aspects</strong><br>Metal 3<br>Water 4 <br>Fire 2<br>Wood 2<br>Earth 3 <br><br><strong>Gift and Weakness</strong><br>Sharp senses, Immaculate beauty / Amnesiac, Curiosity of the Rat, Disgrace of Fu Xing, Lookalike<br><br><br><strong>Chi</strong>: 24<br><strong>Passive Defence</strong>: 8<br><strong>Balance</strong>: 3<br><strong>Resistance</strong>: 6<br><strong>Breath of Life</strong>: 17 (6/5/3/2/1)<br><strong>Renown</strong>: 4<br><br><br><strong>Skills</strong><br>Bangshu (stick)&nbsp; 1 (1 point) =&gt; 2 (16XP)<br>Improvisation 2 (4 points)<br>Acting 2 (4 points)<br>External Alchemy 1 (1 point)<br>Acrobatics 1 (1 point)<br>Horsemanship 2 (4 points)<br><br><strong>Taos</strong><br>Tao of the Thousand Bees (level 1/1 point)<br>Tao of the Breath of Power (level 3/10 points)<br><br><strong>Combat Techniques</strong><br>Bangshu (stick):<br>Level 1 <br>Double Blow (1 XP) <br>Level 2<br>Knock-out (4 points)<br>Level 3<br>Combination (10 XP)<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 15:05:15</strong>
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				I do have to go through that sheet yet. Personal circumstances mean I'm not as active as I otherwise could be.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 15:11:35</strong>
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				Jiao-Jie of the Xue Family<br><br><table class="bbc_table"><tbody><tr><td>(http://www.mardya.com/i/jiao.jpg)<br></td><td>(http://www.mardya.com/i/p.gif)</td><td>For as long as mankind had kept track of history, on stone tablets, vellium or parchment, mention had been made of Jiao-Jie Xue’s ancestors. Her family name was first mentioned several centuries ago, but her lineage could easily be traced back to what seemed the beginning of time. Honorable warriors, sage advisors and skilled politicians had established the family reputation and later generations had cemented their ancestors’ heritage. Jiao-Jie was the youngest adult of said family line, daughter of Ju-Long Xue, grand advisor of General Wong. She was as beautiful as one could expect of a family that has attracted beauty and style for centuries with their fame and fortune. Intelligence, wit and an inquisitive mind were all part of her inheritance, as well as lands, houses and a regular income that allowed her a very comfortable life style. For all looks and appearances, Jiao-Jie had a perfect life, and truth be told, she had been content. <br><br>She might never have looked beyond the bars of her gilded cage if not for the winds of fate. <br><br>It had been one of those warm days in May and she had taken her letters to the spacious, walled garden. While reading, Jiao-Jie enjoyed the chatter of birds and admired the play of light over the dark, green leafs of a tall plant that had been recently imported from one of the southern states. She had left her papers to marvel over a detail upon the thick leaves when a sudden gust of wind had taken hold of the papers. And although she hurried to catch them, the pages fluttered capriciously out of reach. Higher and higher, until they reached the wall and danced out of sight. <br><br>A minor inconvenience...<br></td></tr></tbody></table><br>She could have called one of her servants to play fetch, and for all standards, she should have. But Jiao-Jie had felt her honor at stake, she had been lax and the papers had escaped. As she examined the wall, it seemed to her that handing this affair to a servant equaled admitting defeat, and she was too much a child of her forefathers to yield so easily. Rocks and trees served as handholds for the young lady’s first climb, and she had reached the top of the wall far more easily than she had imagined. The return was more challenging… there were no decorative rocks or well pruned trees to help her, but with the papers clenched between her teeth, her skirts hampering the climb, Jiao-Jie used the smallest handholds in the uneven wall to make her safe return.<br><br>Back in the sanctity of the walled garden, Jiao-Jie’s heart beat with an unfamiliar rhythm, excitement coursed through her veins and brought a blush to the woman’s pale cheeks. For the sake of appearances, she settled in to handle her correspondence but she smiled behind her fan and eyed the wall. <br><br>It was the start of many secret outings. They were innocent at first, but slowly her boldness increased. She climbed from garden walls to city walls, from houses to rooftops and with each successful climb her enjoyment grew. She learned to love the thrills of the night: the darkness and quiet, the secrecy, the dangers. During the day, her tranquil loveliness and charm increased, empowered by her escapades at night. <br><br>Her first break-in brought a delicate smile that returned each time she examined the small memento she had taken from the rich merchant’s house. The small button held no value, but she had faced danger to pry it free from the man’s tunic in the dead of night, and so it was hers to cherish. Over time, many more such memento’s were added to a secret collection. Never anything of value, and rarely an item anyone would miss. It was a sport to visit and leave without rousing as much as a trace of suspicion.<br><br><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="bbc_size"><strong>Character Sheet:</strong></span><br><br><strong>Aspects</strong> <br>Metal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :&nbsp; 2 <br>Water: 3<br>Fire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 4<br>Wood: 3 <br>Earth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 2<br><br>Balance = 2<br>Chi = 12<br><br><strong>Gifts &amp; Weakness</strong><br>Agility of the Monkey<br>Blessed by Chang-E<br><br><strong>Skills:</strong><br><br><em>Martial Domain (metal)</em>:&nbsp; <br>Improvisation&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>Throwing&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>Dashuo &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br><em>Physical domain (Water)</em><br>Acrobatics &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Stealth&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Climbing&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br><br><em>Social domain (Fire)</em> <br>Diplomacy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Etiquette&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Heraldry&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Eloquence &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Seduction&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2<br><br><em>Mental domain (Wood)</em> <br>Bureaucracy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Calligraphy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Perception&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br><br><em>Mystical domain (Earth)</em> <br>Empathy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1<br>Meditation. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Internal Alch.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Taoism&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br>Medicine&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 1 <br><br><strong>Tao’s </strong><br>Tao of the Six Directions - ( speed/jump) – 2 <br>Tao of the Light Step – (balance) – 1 <br>Tao of the Sudden Lightning – (reaction speed/danger sense) -2 <br>Tao of the Inner Eye – (Perception) -1 <br>Tao of the Hidden Shadow (stealth) – 1 <br>Tao of the Thousand Bees (find/throw) – 1 <br>Tao of the Serene Presence – Social 1 <br><br><strong>Combat techniques</strong>: <br>Throw : Indirect shot <br>Daggers: two weapons, direct hit <br><br><strong>Magic - Internal Alchemy</strong> <br>The Union of Yin and Yang <br>The Elixer of Healing <br><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-11-2009, 16:32:41</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2477472#msg2477472">Quote from: Silk Satine on 23-11-2009, 14:27:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thufir I hope you don't mind that I used your character sheet as a template. Yours was so full of awesomeness. O.o&nbsp; I was just a little bit confused (okay, a LOT confused) so needed all the assistance I can get. :P&nbsp; Thanks Hairy for your help! <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You are welcome to use the sheet, Satine Silk, and I'm glad you liked it :P!<br>My hint for you is that you should have an equal number of flaws and advantages, generally 1 for 1 advantage, or 2 flaws if you've got 2 advantages. You don't need more than that, but Amnesiac has to stay to account for your story ;).<br>I'm still considering which flaw to pick for my thief, but these are minor edits. I think I'll finish it today.<br><br><br><br>An important question, ladies - which of you know my character?<br>I can see how he might know Fragrant Bamboo, since they both protect the peasants. They might have even worked together.<br>In what concerns lady Jiao-Jie of the Xue Family, she might have needed a teacher in thieving skills, or they might have met during a break-in in the sam house, which is a classic way to establish a friendship ;D!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 14:06:35</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In what concerns lady Jiao-Jie of the Xue Family, she might have needed a teacher in thieving skills, or they might have met during a break-in in the sam house, which is a classic way to establish a friendship</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Great idea, Thufir! I really like the idea of them having run into eachother during a break in. Since neither is the 'traditional' type of thief, that might lead to an odd friendship indeed :-)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 14:43:37</strong>
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				'Thief' is such an ugly word!&nbsp; I prefer 'temporary displacer of trifles' or even 'property reclamation specialist'.<br><br>Character sheet's been updated at long last with name, description, and some history. History needs work...<br><br>Ex-scholar, ex-Mohist, now a wandering martial artist of sorts who has dedicated the rest of his career to finding a career!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 14:59:55</strong>
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				Ah, sorry MadPanda! How about 'redistributer of Yin and Yang"? I hope your wandering martial artist career path will be an interesting one :-)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 15:04:26</strong>
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				'reapportioner of the cosmic balance'?&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br><br>No apologies needed, O Blossom of All Under Heaven.&nbsp; I, after all, am not playing one of the removers of trivial things.&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;:)&nbsp; Just a homely and humble bookworm with a sword.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 22:59:20</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2484533#msg2484533">Quote from: Imogen on 25-11-2009, 14:06:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Great idea, Thufir! I really like the idea of them having run into eachother during a break in. Since neither is the 'traditional' type of thief, that might lead to an odd friendship indeed :-)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Fine, then so be it! After all, you had needed a teacher to impart upon you the rote of the Tao of the Hidden Step ;D!<br>And his motives would be easy to understand, too. As a high-born lady, she could have paid with information for valuable objects in other ladies' houses that are worth stealing. Well, maybe there was something else, or maybe not :P.<br>But whatever, even after subduing an unexperienced girl, he would be impressed with someone who would take the risk despite already having a comfortable life already, so you would have gained his sympathy 8-)!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-11-2009, 23:24:56</strong>
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				Silk Satine has unfortunately had to bow out on us, due to Real Life getting in the way.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>26-11-2009, 15:41:37</strong>
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				I hate it when this happens! <br>On the other hand, we've still got two thieves and a warrior. The game could still start, although I'd like to find a wizard, too.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 00:59:36</strong>
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				Ok, I think we just have one character left to finish off, so we should be able to start soon. Does anyone have a particular place they'd like to start?<br><br>Assuming not, I think we'll go with that old staple of the mysterious scream from the darkness of which city you're starting off in. We can play to the classics here ;)<br><br>I'm also ok with getting started and finishing off the character as we go.<br><br>Thoughts?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 01:05:03</strong>
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				Ah, but depending on the neighborhood, we might assume someone's just having ...fun!&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;:) &gt;:) &gt;:)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 01:16:54</strong>
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				Not a good kind of scream ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 01:19:34</strong>
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				Again...<br><br>(evil chuckle)<br><br>Yeah, okay, not a good sort of scream.&nbsp; Gotcha.&nbsp; Generally I prefer the ambush at the tea house, occasionally caused by a beaten up guard pointing the the PCs and shrieking 'there they are!&nbsp; Get 'em!'...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 01:24:50</strong>
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				Damsel in distress, start with a fight.<br><br>C'mon, you have all those cool powers. You know you want to show them off ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>01-12-2009, 01:33:07</strong>
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				Too true, too true!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-12-2009, 17:09:38</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2501466#msg2501466">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 01-12-2009, 01:24:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Damsel in distress, start with a fight.<br><br>C'mon, you have all those cool powers. You know you want to show them off ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You've got me. Let's hear this scream!<br><br>And she'd better look good :P!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>02-12-2009, 18:25:38</strong>
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				Bring it :-)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-12-2009, 02:02:48</strong>
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				http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=54355.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=54355.0)<br><br>Your destiny awaits :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-12-2009, 03:08:14</strong>
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				Can we locate the sound? If not, what do I roll on my Perception?<br>If we can locate it, I'll send you only my Stealth roll ;) .
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-12-2009, 09:50:34</strong>
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				Fog can do strange things to sound, so a perception roll might not hurt. Locating the scream won't be that hard, but the higher you roll, the more other noises you'll be able to make out.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-12-2009, 11:28:04</strong>
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				Fine, I guess it should be Perception + Wood and Water+Stealth then? Rolls sent, 7 Perception, 12 Stealth.<br>Also, that's my quasi-final version of Li, I only have to pick whether I want code of Honour or Wanted (in Wei, not in Qin).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2427836#msg2427836">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 08-11-2009, 18:21:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">All of them do, that's why there is a problem ;D!<br>Ah well, let's leave it for the edit. Now, check the rest.<br><br>Li San Shan/Wencheng (Li "Three Mountains"/"Greatness is born", name given by his father obviously)<br>The thief from Beijing, master of the chopsticks ;D<br><br>Description<br>Of above average height and form, he moves with surprising agility. The man known as Li wears a short, close-fitting blue chang pao, and closefitting pants. His clothes are worn yet clean, and above all, unremarkable, while his hair is set in a bun held by silver pins in the shape of snakes. Obviously, this should be his year of birth, for who why wear the animal otherwise, unless one is superstitious?<br>That's possible, too. Most people don't get to know him for long enough to ask. He is a face in a sea of faces.<br>Well, unless you are from Wulin, or you are into statecraft. Then you probably know about him. <br>People in Wulin know about the "Li kuàizi" (Li's chopsticks). The Dagger Art of the Li family is known to be fast, natural and deceiving, like the movements of chopsticks. <br>If you are into statecraft, you want to keep track of people who can go everywhere, bring anything, and probably kill anyone... although you don't mention this when dealing with them. The Li family takes pride in not being common killers. Sometimes, they have killed, when noticed. Some people even think that they allowed to be noticed in order to kill a target without losing face...<br>And they take care not to mention this either. The Li family doesn't object at all to killing in revenge.<br>Now, the scion of Li, wielding the Li kuaize, is young and not quite experienced. He had recently clashed with a magistrate of Qin/Zhao/Qi (pick one, GM!). It is within the tradition of Li family to help peasants, when they are oppressed...or they think they are. not only is it the law of Heavens, it is always better to have a place to hide in the country!<br>Documents proving the magistrate guilty of corruption had been stolen and exposed. The magistrate suicided. Since he was a cousin of the First Minister's second wife, the latter was less than pleased. <br>Not only wasn't Li Chui Xue afraid, he also made it public knowledge that he intended to steal the First Minister's daughter, known for her beauty in thousands li! Even if this was only a jest, the father contacted a well-known bodyguard to protect her.<br>Li is already a man not known for empty threats, but who is he going to contact when facing the state's machine, <em>and</em> a martial elder?<br><br>Aspects<br>Metal 3<br>Water 4 <br>Fire 3<br>Wood 3 <br>Earth 2 (10 XP)<br><br>Gift and Weakness <em>(only one of each will remain).</em><br>Child of Shadows / Code of honour (Family codes), Wanted<br>Chi: 18<br>Passive Defence : 9<br>Balance: 1<br>Resistance: 5<br>Breath of Life : 19 (7/5/4/2/1)<br>Renown: 3<br>Skills<br>Daoshu (knives) 2=&gt;3 (12XP), Dodging 2, Stealth 3=&gt; (12XP), Meditation 1, Acrobatics 1, Perception 1, Seduction 1 (4XP), Calligraphy 1 (4 XP).<br><br>Taos<br>Tao of the Hidden shadow (level 3/6points)<br>Tao of the 6 directions (level 2/3 points)<br>Tao of the Inner Eye (level 1/1point)<br>Tao of the light step (level 1/1point)<br><br>Combat Techniques (starting ones are bolded)<br>Daoshu:<br>Level 1<br>Direct hit (4XP), <strong>Two Weapons</strong><br>Level 2<br><strong>Mystification</strong><br>Level 3<br>Combination (12 XP)<br><br>Unless I'm really wrong, I have spent 58 XP, banking 2.<br><em>(Yes, he is not a master of unarmed combat, and this is intentional. Qin is not a game about Shaolin masters anyway, and since there is war in the kingdom, most masters perfect the use of weapons. All the signature characters from the book use weapons, even if just a stick, and so do the characters in WuXia films).</em><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-12-2009, 04:20:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Gee, what do I do now?&nbsp; Hairy, you went ahead and posted the results for the others before I could get to this!&nbsp; &nbsp;:-(<br><br>A possible waste of a Balanced Roll!<br><br>(Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: <br>Result: 66, <br>Total: 66)<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-12-2009, 09:53:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry about that. I make your total 10, so you're getting the same info as the other two. And maybe a bit more ;)<br><br>Ok, quick question. Should I reveal info that not everyone knows openly, or PM it through. What's your preference?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-12-2009, 14:45:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, but I'm <em>still</em> feeling a bit out to sea here since I hadn't gotten going just yet...&nbsp; &nbsp;:-\&nbsp; But I'll see what I can do about that initial post, backdating appropriately.<br><br>I'd prefer secret info by PM, frankly, but that's just me.&nbsp; Unfortuantely there's no way to include private lines within posts here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 01:00:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2515407#msg2515407">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 04-12-2009, 09:53:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, quick question. Should I reveal info that not everyone knows openly, or PM it through. What's your preference?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>No preference at all, use whichever works best for you.<br><br>Also, I've got flu, so if I delay a post, you are warned. Now let's see if I can use my Tao to creep them out ;) !
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 01:25:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lets go with an acting roll for that, and see how freaked you can make them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 01:39:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll sent, I've got to keep cool while disturbing them, so I guess that's Water. I've got a 9 for it, and I claim a circumstance bonus for the set-up :P!<br><br>Also, in case you are still using my last Stealth roll, I've got a bonus to it from the Hidden Shadow, so it's a 15 ;D !
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 10:41:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I tried to anticipate the next roll, so you've got an Acrobatics roll for Three Mountains jumping in the fog, and a Stealth roll for keeping unseen.<br>My mastery of the Tao of the Hidden Shadow says I'm rolling Acrobatics with Stealth, though, so it's is virtually unchanged at 14, and I have sent you an unnecessary roll for not checking the rules :P.<br><br>I'm waiting for my first Yin-Yang Balance, btw ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 14:38:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Unless you're spending chi already, the Yy balance isn't that big a deal. Oh, and feel free to post your rolls here, or even in the game thread in brackets. I'm going to hold off on replying to yours to give the others a chance to respond first.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 15:20:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's not about the Chi, I just find it fun ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-12-2009, 15:52:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There is that too :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>07-12-2009, 17:07:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I fear this may go amiss, but the effect I'm trying to achieve is Wu's unfortunate tendency to show up a little too late for his (accidental) impressive entry to go off with proper effect.&nbsp; &nbsp;It's supposed to be comic relief.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-12-2009, 19:57:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Imogen, are you throwing the dirt you scooped up at me to draw my attention, or just preparing to help? Throwing it might draw their attention to me, but then, it's not a given that what you noticed was indeed Li ;) .<br><br>HH, Three Mountains is not going to repeat the swordsman's words, but he is going to repeat their answer, whatever it is - include it in your post if you wish :D !
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 01:44:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I got an YyBalance on the Initiative (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=12194) roll!<br>Well, a Balance of 0 might not be exactly what I was going for... ;D<br>So, do I miss this turn or what?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 01:46:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oops&nbsp; ;D<br><br>I'll say you lose one action from this round.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 01:50:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, this works even better for my idea than going last. Well, it's not a tactical advantage, but it allows me to roleplay my PC's amazement and reluctance to kill.<br>On the other hand, I've still got 3 actions left, and after I miss the first exchange, I'm still going to attack from cover <strong>and</strong> higher ground ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 01:51:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep, that works.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 02:08:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You can see how it looks now.<br><br>I have no idea what's going to happen in the first exchange, so I'm not declaring any Techniques yet, or targets that might not be there. As a general rule, Li is going to attack the woman's opponents, unless he has an opportunity to attack the leader, or if she has an easy time with them and the swordsman needs help.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 02:14:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, first exchange<br>Panda on 10, attacking a bandit (you can roll damage as well as the attack)<br>Imogen to post in the morning<br>Thufir missing the exchange.<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 02:19:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I know.&nbsp; I just had to go find my copy of the book to find the damage value of my sword.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 02:23:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thufir is only missing one exchange &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-12-2009, 09:45:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I knew what I meant&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-12-2009, 00:50:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We should hopefully have a Fangshi joining us shortly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-12-2009, 08:29:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A Fangshi'd be welcome, they are almost always useful &gt;:)!<br><br>As I see it, the leader is moving towards me. Li is on the wall, and he is only getting closer for trying to get to the woman, which I suspect OOC of being a Fangshi :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-12-2009, 13:29:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's get the second exchange sorted before we move into the third. Can you post your to hit and damage rolls here, or in your game post, for my convenience :)<br><br>Once I get everyones second exchange actions, we can write that scene up and move to the third.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>12-12-2009, 17:20:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Should have mine up in a bit...sorry for the delay.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 00:01:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2541847#msg2541847">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 12-12-2009, 13:29:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Let's get the second exchange sorted before we move into the third. Can you post your to hit and damage rolls here, or in your game post, for my convenience :)<br><br>Once I get everyones second exchange actions, we can write that scene up and move to the third.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Wait, I thought the damage is included in the dice to hit?<br>If not, my roll (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=12376) for damage Yin dominates, so no bonus, 3 metal and a base of 1 or 2.<br>By the book, I would deal <strong>4 points</strong> with Bishou, 5 points with a Lurong (5 and 6 if we are using the same roll from to hit). Li is using Bishou at the moment, although he probably has Lurong with him, too, as his family school teaches the full skill of Daoshu!<br>A complete description of the secret weapons of the Li school is yet to be written, although I will include my notes in a post as soon as I get the chance.<br><br>Also, I don't know whether we get a bonus to damage for skill level according to the house rule for bonus damage. You are giving Competent unarmed fighters +1 damage, and Master unarmed skill level gives you plus 2, but I'm not sure if it goes only for unarmed, for all weapons, or all light weapons and unarmed ;). I think this <em>should</em> go for all weapons, or at least for light weapons, too, but I admit I don't really know the purpose of your house rule, so I might be really off here.<br>My reasoning is that in this way, unarmed becomes better than Daoshu for Qin characters, even if the character is a Master in the Daoshu skill. If you deal the same damage unarmed as with a knife, why would you learn using a knife that can be taken away, attracts attention, and you need time to draw it?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 01:06:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Attack<br>Attack Test = Metal + Martial Skill + YyD<br><br>Damage:<br>Damage = Metal + damage by weapon + difference between dice where Yang Die &gt; Yin Die<br><br>If the Attack Test produces a Yin/Yang Balance, the damage is increased by the result on the dice (from 1 to 9).<br>Damage = Metal + damage by weapon + result on Yin/Yang Dice<br><br>Where is the bonus damage for skill level coming from?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 01:42:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				D'oh!&nbsp; Same yYd result for both Attack and Damage, then?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 01:46:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I thought it wasn't, but on rereading it more carefully it looks like it is.<br><br>The YyD roll applies to both the attack roll and damage roll.<br><br>We can take it that way from the third exchange, so as to not mess up already performed rolls. That was my mistake.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 01:49:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				OK<br>Sorry!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 01:59:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No need to be sorry, I think the rules are reasonably new to all of us. It's to be expected that we'll make mistakes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 09:27:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2543090#msg2543090">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 13-12-2009, 01:06:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Attack<br>Attack Test = Metal + Martial Skill + YyD<br><br>Damage:<br>Damage = Metal + damage by weapon + difference between dice where Yang Die &gt; Yin Die<br><br>If the Attack Test produces a Yin/Yang Balance, the damage is increased by the result on the dice (from 1 to 9).<br>Damage = Metal + damage by weapon + result on Yin/Yang Dice<br><br>Where is the bonus damage for skill level coming from?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>In that case, I'm inflicting him 5 points for the YyBalance, with a Base of 1 + 3 Metal + 1 YyBalance. That's a low balance, but then, it think it hits, barring an active defence with another YyBalance :P!<br>As for the improved damage rule, here it is.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2422897#msg2422897">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 07-11-2009, 01:59:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Damage<br>Damage is calculated as Metal + Weapon Damage + YyD.&nbsp; However, this is a special YyD, attack is Yang action and YyD is added only if Yang value is greater than Yin value.&nbsp; Otherwise it is just Metal + Weapon Damage.<br>Apparently Rolling the balance on this YyD simply adds the value on the die to the damage.&nbsp; So rolling 8 Yang and 1 Yin produces same exactly damage as rolling double 7s.&nbsp; Oh well…<br>Finally unarmed combat damage according to the book is simply Metal + YyD since you have no weapon, but <strong>I am adding a house rule here.&nbsp; Competent skill level in unarmed gives you +1 damage and master skill gives you plus 2.<br></strong><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 13:57:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, that must have been a house rule from the GM I copypastaed these from, and I never noticed it. Given that weapons add between 1 and 5 points of damage, and hand to hand is a flat damage, I am ok with giving the hand to hand a bit of a boost if others are as well.<br><br>For weapons, do you think they need a damage boost?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-12-2009, 14:55:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't know, do you want the game to be more or less lethal?<br>The only thing I'm sure is, I'd cast my vote against any "special" increase for the Unarmed skill. If all skills are more lethal when you progress in skill, that's fine, but if only Unarmed is getting this increase, I think it would makes no sense and is imbalanced.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>16-12-2009, 00:10:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And thus appears, the Exorcist!&nbsp; *plays the famed movie tune*<br><br><br>Qin – The Middle Kingdom Profile<br>Name: Shen Han<br>Concept: Exorcist/General Magician<br><br>Aspects<br>Metal 2<br>Water 3<br>Fire 2<br>Wood 3<br>Earth 4<br><br>Skills<br><br>Metal Domain:<br>Jianshi 2<br><br>Water Domain:<br>Dodge 1<br><br>Fire Domain:<br>Diplomacy 1<br>Etiquette 1<br><br>Wood Domain:<br>Architecture 1 <br>Calligraphy 1 <br>History 1<br>Medicine 1<br>Perception 1<br><br>Earth Domain:<br>Divination 1<br>Exorcism 3<br>Internal Alchemy 2<br>Legends 1<br>Meditation 1<br>Taoism 2<br>Theology 1<br><br>Taos<br><br>Tao of the Six Directions:<br>Run/Long Jump (Level 1; add Water to horizontal movement)<br><br><br>Magic<br><br>Divination:<br>Geomancy – Vision of the Taiji (Chi 3; Earth+Divination; ST 7)<br>Geomancy – Feel the Energy of the World (Chi 2; Aspect+Divination; ST 7)<br><br>Exorcism:<br>Blessing of Wood (Chi 4; +2 Chi for +1 Damage, up to Metal)<br>Power of the Sun (Chi 4; +2 Chi for +1 Damage, up to Fire; Wood+Exorcism to use in combat)<br>Sense of the Yin (Chi 4; Radius of Earth; increase radius by 1 yard per 2 Chi; Earth+Exorcism)<br>The Mirror of Truth (Chi 4)<br>Shield the Body and Soul (Chi 5; +2 Chi for +1 Resistance; Base = Exorcism Skill)<br>Talisman of Control of Lost Spirits (Chi 6, +3 Chi to increase penalty, up to Wood; Base = Earth)<br><br>Internal Alchemy:<br>Chi is the Breath of Life (Spend 2 Chi for each Health Level; max of Earth+IA)<br>Food for the Soul (5 Chi; lasts one day)<br><br>Passive Defense: 8<br>Renown: 3<br>Balance: (Metal+Water) – (Fire+Wood) = 0<br>Basic Chi: 4<br>Total Chi: 48 (Base*Earth*High Skill)<br>Resistance: 6<br>Breath of Life: 7/5/4/3/2<br><br><br>And thus, his legend begins...<br><br><br>(More to be added later)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>18-12-2009, 08:40:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All say welcome to the fangshi &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>18-12-2009, 16:54:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Howdy, howdy!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>18-12-2009, 16:58:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hello! And welcome to the Madness!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-12-2009, 23:37:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Madness?<br><br>This. Is. WU XIA!<br><br><br><br>Sorry, couldn't resist&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>21-12-2009, 10:42:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And now I wonder what I should roll for talking in combat and whether it does it count for an action ;D!<br>I guess something out of the ordinary would be in order, like Fire or Wood+Daoshu or Renown. It's definitely not Intimidate any more, because I don't have ot persuade him - he now <em>knows</em> what Li's skills are worth :D!<br><br>Doesn't matter, really. I just rolled a Yin-Yang balance of 9!<br>I guess he should now see the error of his ways, and submit, counting on the mercy I offered him... :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:20:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seems like everybody is online at the same time :).<br>Quick, use it! I'm sure you can think of something :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:22:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Has anyone got any actions left in this round? I figure 3-4 is the most anyone should have.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:41:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've got one.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:41:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I...forgot all about keeping track!&nbsp; &nbsp;:-[&nbsp; So I might actually be over one.&nbsp; Or two.&nbsp; Or...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:43:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				IIRC its 1 + applicable skill, so for using your weapons, I'd guess 2-4 actions. Give or take.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:43:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, right.&nbsp; So...3.&nbsp; And I think that was my third action just now.&nbsp; I think.&nbsp; Let me go count...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:47:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Stealth or Weapon skill, it changes nothing, I've got one left &gt;:).<br><br>But I really hoped they will surrender. And the dice agreed this is the way of the Heavens ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:48:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Uhm.&nbsp; Depending on whether we're on round one or two, I'm either one action over or one under&nbsp; :-\&nbsp; But I think we're on round two...yes?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:49:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was still using up my round one actions.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:53:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still in the first round. Don't worry if you've gone over, we can let it go for this one .. we're still learning the system after all :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 02:55:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Disregard my last roll, then, and keep the narrative, since Wu's just sort of pulling out of the way.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-12-2009, 03:03:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok. I'm hitting the hay, but I'll see about working out who has what left this round when I surface.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2009, 17:05:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li - 4 actions (but lost one due to a critical fumble)<br>Wu - 3 actions<br>Jiao-Jie - 3 actions<br>Shen - 3 actions<br><br>By my reckoning, the first full round is over, with everyone having taken their actions bar Shen, who arrived late to the party. <br><br>If I can get Shen's other actions for this round, then I'll move us on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-01-2010, 00:11:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aaand... Hapy New Year to all fellow players ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>01-01-2010, 00:13:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Happy New Year!&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 00:57:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We're in mythic China. New Year's isn't for a few weeks yet ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 01:08:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In the game, we are in the middle of a fight. But while avoiding blows, Li might be thinking of the time when the Heaven and Earth, as well as Yin and Yang have to adjust their balance for the next year in order to accommodate the new sign.<br>I wonder, what is the sign of the year in the game :P?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 01:36:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Year of the Yin metal Rooster. <br><br>Next year will be the Year of the Yang water Dog.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 01:52:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, yes, I know...Year of the Tigger.&nbsp; We shall all be rather bouncy for the duration...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 03:33:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2600744#msg2600744">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 03-01-2010, 01:36:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Year of the Yin metal Rooster. <br><br>Next year will be the Year of the Yang water Dog.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I now need to include this in the game somehow... :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 03:39:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've always enjoyed the Discworld Calander.<br><br>Year of the &lt;strange adjective&gt; &lt;animal&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 04:10:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that's Terry Pratchet! Who doesn't love it?<br>Also, 239 BC just doesn't sound as fun :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 04:14:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This is true.<br><br>I'll move the game thread along tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 04:30:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fine, I'll make sure to check it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>03-01-2010, 04:31:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A little dose of Pterry makes almost everything better.&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>06-01-2010, 17:40:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here (http://www.pterrys.com/menu.html) is what Google said for Pterry :P!<br><br>Also, I guess it's obvious I ahd chosen my Flaw. Code of Honour (Le Family) is my final choice, along with Child of the Shadows ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>06-01-2010, 20:32:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li San Shan will wait for the GM :D.<br>By the way, if anyone wants to remain and speak to the woman, feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'm going to look for you in the teahouse.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 00:25:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Family name first, personal name second.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 00:46:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, he's actually Shen? Fine by me.<br>Out of curiosity, what is the meaning of Han here?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 01:04:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oops.&nbsp; Sorry.&nbsp; Forgot Chinese protocol.&nbsp; And yes, his given name is Shen.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 01:33:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Then I guess Li would address you as Han. As far as I know, in China, it's the norm even between not-too-close friends.<br>But again, I'm curious - since given names usually have a meaning, what does Shen mean?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 22:39:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Depends on the tone, of course.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; &nbsp;And the dialect.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 23:38:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And that's before mentioning the transcription system &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 23:50:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Putting it lightly, yes&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-01-2010, 23:52:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And now we're waiting the NPC to answer my new IC questions. Or to avoid them, of course.<br>Both would mean something to Li :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:01:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Patience is a virtue, grasshopper&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:14:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know, but without flaws, a character is not as fun, right :P?<br><br>Besides, I'm working on a rather boring project right now ;). Your game is much, much more fun!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:36:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can't argue that one :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:45:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We all would be rather disappointed if you could ;D!<br><br>MadPanda, I think she just knows Yin-Yang healing. She mentioned something at the fight scene, and I really think she's not an ordinary traveller.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:49:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know that, and you know that, but Wu probably isn't up on the nitty-gritty of the arcane.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; Not to mention that the last time a pretty woman did something like this in his general vicinity, he probably had to walk it off for a few days...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 00:51:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not an ordinary traveller? In a wu xia story?&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:00:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				MadPanda, I doubt Yin-Yang healing is ordinary in the setting. And yes, our characters know how to use Qi, so they have probably brushed with the occasional taoist monk or nun... ;)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2624825#msg2624825">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-01-2010, 00:51:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Not an ordinary traveller? In a wu xia story?&nbsp; :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Well, that might be normal for wu xia, but the characters might think they are still in the downtime between stories :D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:09:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The various taos and magics are known, but they're not common. Only those with exceptional spirits are granted the use of such powers.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:18:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good, I don't have to edit this post then 8-)!<br>Ok, I wouldn't, except I had missed a couple sentences ;). But the core is still the same.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:26:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm going to hold off on posting any more tonight, to give the others a chance to catch up and respond to what's happened so far.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:34:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good night then!<br>I'm back to my project. Boring as it is, it has to be done!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:35:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Best of luck, o Mentat!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:52:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks a lot! Good night and best of luck to you, too!<br>My latest mentat prediction is that I'm going to listen to lots of music from YouTube before the end of this night... &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:56:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Try the soundtrack to Red Cliff. It's pretty good.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 01:58:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll have to put that on my wish list, then.&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 02:07:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you, HH, good suggestion! I'm glad I decided to update my O&amp;Os and noticed that.<br>And I like that our exorcist is not easily moved ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 05:44:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, being an exorcist isn't like being a soldier, or a thief.&nbsp; You have a very specific set of skills at your disposal, which can only be used for a far smaller number of purposes than soldiers or thieves.&nbsp; For that reason, to my thinking, experienced exorcists find regions where there's a steady stream of work, to keep them afloat.&nbsp; Given that he's sort of got an area established, he's not about to leave it unless there's significant gain involved.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2010, 10:22:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, I'm sure we can find some kind of reward to tempt him.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-01-2010, 00:23:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Money is a great motivator &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-01-2010, 00:33:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True heroes are beyond such mundane concerns ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>12-01-2010, 00:38:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, but 'true heroism' doesn't necessarily keep one warm and fed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-01-2010, 00:55:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Details, details :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-01-2010, 01:45:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I like details!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-01-2010, 03:59:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also, I assume Imogen's post has been coordinated with the GM ;)?<br><br>By the way, tapping chopsticks on the edge of your bowl is the sign beggars produce, or produced, in china. Guess why Li's teachings forbid it :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-01-2010, 09:49:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It was, yes. <br><br>As in all good wu xia, things proceed at the speed of plot ;)<br><br>I shall be off to work shortly, so shall leave you all to some social chat til I return.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-01-2010, 09:41:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll wait for Jiao Jie ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-01-2010, 00:54:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I'd like to give our quieter players a chance to chime in before we move things along. Especially since Jiao Jie got to overhear the guards, and is the only one who knows what was said there :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>21-01-2010, 13:03:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also, she's the one the NPC is talking to ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-01-2010, 21:03:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Details, details&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-01-2010, 09:16:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, that's where the devil loves to hide &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-01-2010, 09:48:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We have an exorcist along to deal with the literal devils though. The human ones, you get :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-01-2010, 10:49:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And that's why I try to take not of the details ;)! We know we'll have to take care of the human ones.<br>By the way, it seems the ladies have a lot of things to say to each other IC :D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-01-2010, 12:34:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				BTW, is our Fangshi still with us? He seems to be rather quiet at present.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-01-2010, 18:04:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I want to test the lady for lying, she's acting suspicious ;).<br>So, what do I roll and how much do I need :P?<br><br>As a totally unrelated note, I was wondering why there aren't more people using SotC on E., the system seems like a natural fit!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-01-2010, 18:10:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				SotC?&nbsp; (draws blank)&nbsp; My first two cups of coffee have not yet given my thoughts their mentat-like speed.&nbsp; I pray tell you ellucidate my humble and ignorant self.<br><br>(Even though I will no doubt figure it out the second I hit send.&nbsp; You mean Spirit of the Century?)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-01-2010, 22:51:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				To tell if someone is lying, its Earth + Empathy +YyD<br>To lie, it's Fire + Acting +YyD<br>It's an opposed test here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-01-2010, 04:59:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll sent, although with a final result of 6 I don't really stand a good chance. That said, she could always roll a Disbalance :P!<br>Yeah, I know it's a 1% chance... &gt;:)<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-01-2010, 02:06:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Either she's telling the truth, or she's better at telling lies than you are at catching them :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>27-01-2010, 11:48:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So tell us, GM, does Li know anything about these "Yellow Tigers", or the "Flower Brotherhood"?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 00:55:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A good question. Anyone wishing to wrack their brains can give me a roll of wood and any of the following: History, Law, Heraldry. That would be a separate roll for each btw.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 02:06:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And wood + perception for anyone watching Madame Shu for her response to the names as well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 02:23:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Perception?&nbsp; What is this Perception of which you speak?<br><br>Wood 4&nbsp; + History 2 is Base of 6<br>Comment: yYd for Wood plus History<br>Result: 23, <br>Total: 3 minus 2 is Base +1 = 7<br><br>Wood 4 + Legend 1 for Base of 5<br>Comment: yYd for Wood plus Legend<br>Result: 28, <br>Total: 8 minus 2 is Base +6 11<br><br>Wood 4 + Heraldry 1 for Base of 5<br>Comment: yYd for Wood plus Heraldry<br>Result: 29, <br>Total: 9 minus 2 is Base +7 =<strong>12</strong><br><br>Wood plus Heraldry for the win, I think.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 04:04:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Made my rolls, and Law roll is 6, Heraldry is 5, Perception is a 4. I guess these ones are only likely to work if the organization is well-known, meaning the roll was for measuring the degree of success, and then I wouldn't get much ;).<br><br>Wood+History, on the other hand, was an YyBalance of 1 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=13589) and I guess Li knows a bit about them after all &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 09:28:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				For perception of Madame Shu's responses:<br><br>Yy 8, 4<br>Wood+ perception = 4<br>Total of 8.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>28-01-2010, 09:43:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				PMs sent with info
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>06-02-2010, 15:33:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm giving the others a chance to cast their vote ;).<br>Say, what does our Fangshi thinks? It's always better to travel as the spirits advise you :D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>09-02-2010, 23:58:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If anyone wants to accompany Li, say so, and I can move us on from there.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-02-2010, 09:38:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Given my previous post, do I need to roll for perception ;)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-02-2010, 21:29:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Feel free to :)<br><br>Let me know if you're looking out for something in particular.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-02-2010, 06:56:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of course, I'm looking for people in the room, or hidden in the corridor, that have no reason to be there and might be a threat ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>26-02-2010, 02:00:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have you done the roll for this yet?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>27-02-2010, 03:28:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2780770#msg2780770">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 26-02-2010, 02:00:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Have you done the roll for this yet?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Just sent you another.<br>Weird as it is, I can't find the previous roll in the list of my rolls. Sorry, maybe I have just forgotten it :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-02-2010, 13:07:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries. For future reference I'm happy to have rolls PMed, or even put into an OOC post if you're not worried about secrecy.<br><br>As you would have suspected, you heard the movement of a second person inside the room, possibly behind the door.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-03-2010, 09:16:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll put this roll in a OOC post, then.<br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=14234 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=14234)<br>I also included the link in the IC post, just to spend you time ;). What can I say, I'm curious what are the skills of the person that is guarding Madame Su ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-03-2010, 11:59:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just tell me if I have to roll anything. If there aren't any problems, I approach Imogen's PC and she can post :P.<br>Li's intentions are to wait for the two of them to go down, then we can leave.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-03-2010, 19:16:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You mean to see if there is anything changed downstairs? Nope, situation is as it was.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-03-2010, 00:05:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do you guys want longer to talk, or shall I move things along?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>13-03-2010, 00:08:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Go ahead and move, if you've got somewhere for us to go&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-03-2010, 01:30:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I support going ahead, although I can't speak for Imogen :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-03-2010, 02:30:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, if no one has anything else we can skip on to the rendezvous near the city walls and take it from there. Leaving the city will wrap up the first episode, after which there will be <del>cookies</del>&nbsp; xp :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 13:04:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Using Tao of the Inner Eye, Li obtained a final result of 7 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=14603) in watching the crowd.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 18:44:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And my luck with polyhedrals runs about as expected...<br><br>Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: Wood 4 test for Perception<br>Result: 54, <br>Total: 54<br><br>yin 5, Yang 4 is -1 for a final result of 3.&nbsp; I'm wearing shoes!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:12:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It would count as 1, not -1 btw. It's the difference in the dice.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:19:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That gives him a final result of 5, which is better ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:23:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				yin is the down die, yang is the up die...yes?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:27:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You always subtract the smaller result from the bigger one. It is usually unimportant which is which, especially for simple tests.<br>In combat, you get a bonus to damage if your Yang die is greater, so I just assume that it's the one on the right.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:42:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahhh.&nbsp; I've been doing it wrong, then.&nbsp; Silly me.<br>Okay, it's a <strong>5</strong>.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-03-2010, 22:44:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still isn't going to make that much of a difference. All looks quiet, and dawn is beginning to light the horizon.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-03-2010, 23:15:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll give our Fang shi a chance to respond before I move us on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>31-03-2010, 23:25:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay.&nbsp; I've re-read the thread, and I'm still not understanding.&nbsp; Who is this Feng?&nbsp; All that I can tell is that he's related to Imogen's character?<br><br>And what was the roll Panda &amp; Thufir did?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-03-2010, 23:52:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Feng is the bodyguard of madame Shu that I was sent to get, he turned out to be a former soldier. He arrived with Li, Jiao Jie, and the maid. It looks like he is ill, which confirms at least this part of madame Shu's story.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-04-2010, 00:34:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2846698#msg2846698">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 17-03-2010, 02:30:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, if no one has anything else we can skip on to the rendezvous near the city walls and take it from there. Leaving the city will wrap up the first episode, after which there will be <del>cookies</del>&nbsp; xp :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>(http://brokenman.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/cookiemonster.jpg)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-04-2010, 00:46:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I hadn't forgotten :)<br><br>I was giving everyone a chance for final posts before we wrap this stage up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-04-2010, 01:05:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't think you have forgotten. I just wanted to post a picture of the Cookie Monster, and you gave me an opportunity ;D!<br>He's just a cute monster, we could use more like him ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-04-2010, 17:55:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We may have someone new joining our merry band. No character details as of yet, but I thought I'd mention it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-04-2010, 22:07:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of course, I'm fine with the idea &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>02-04-2010, 22:27:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome, mystery player! :-D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 14:43:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hello everyone, I'm the potential new mystery player ;)&nbsp; I've really enjoyed reading what you all have done thus far and hopefully can fit in, I'm completely new to systems games (rp in general actually though I love writing).&nbsp; I have absolutely loved seeing how this game has developed so am very curious to try and think it will be fun.<br><br>Name:&nbsp; No translated name yet but the title would be Never Named Wind <br>Concept:&nbsp; conflicted Wu xia<br><br>Background:&nbsp; An old man and woman living in solitude in the woods found her as a babe left on their doorstep, with instructions to raise her as their own and instruct as they knew how until the day came where she would be claimed--and named.&nbsp; She was happy, loved and ran freely through the woods until the day came when her grandfather said her naming day approached and all signs were auspicious.&nbsp; Excited about how her future might unfold she spent two nights and a day alone in her favorite thinking place to prepare herself.&nbsp; Upon returning to her humble home in the clearing she was shocked to discover her grandparents brutally murdered, and a forbidding man waiting to take her away to serve the rest of her purpose. Heartbroken and confused she went with him and was trained in fighting along the way, though he never named her or even spoke to her much saying it was not his place to reveal anything.&nbsp; After a year of this she witnessed him raping a young woman one night after drinking too much and ran away.&nbsp; Her skills were such that she always found acceptance to live and study somewhere, but never an order she felt comfortable enough with to call her own.&nbsp; As she matured she felt comfortable with this and dedicated herself to righting the wrongs she saw in a simple and personal way, not trusting exactly to codes which were broken, or promises not kept.&nbsp; She seeks to learn the secrets to her past, and honor her dead grandparents by living as joyfully and purely as she had when she was young.<br><br>I think a profile like that would bring a lot of possibilities for the plot of the game.&nbsp; Her training is vague, I'm happy to fill that in more as I learn more specifics of the world but I don't have the books and so of course welcome any and all suggestions.&nbsp; I am happy to play her as more committed to a moral code, but think her confusion over such things makes sense given how confused I am likely to be from time to time within the game.&nbsp; She may have many good skills but lacks a complete and thorough understanding of the principles involved.&nbsp; Is that workable and realistic enough for her to have a higher status now?&nbsp; Should she spend more time in one place with one order do you think?<br><br>I'm working on the aspects and skills now, of course any input there is *more* than welcome. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 15:33:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				From the background it doesn't sound quite like the normal wu xia.<br><br>Flipping the idea around a little though, how about a runaway assassin? She was taken to be raised and trained by a society of assassins, perhaps in accordance with some prophecy, but because of her innocent upbringing she ended up running away, rejecting their 'ideals' and trying to follow the code of the wu xia instead?<br><br>That gives room in the backstory for a lost love (the wandering wu xia knight who taught her his code), her former society wanting to recapture her (in order to accommodate their prophecy) or kill her for disgracing them (perhaps the other students of her teacher, determined to avenge the slight to their masters honour).<br><br>Do any of those sound like they'd be fun to work into your background?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 15:47:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That sounds great to me Hairy, I can happily go with her as having run away from an assassin's society and any of the potential plots/back stories sound really fun to me.&nbsp; Thanks very much for the ideas.<br><br>I'm only finding Qin general books, is there a more specific title to look for?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 16:05:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Qin: The Warring States is the full title<br><br>http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=12302&amp;it=1 (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=12302&amp;it=1)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 16:27:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome Arhys!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 17:00:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome, runaway student of ignoble master assassins &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 19:30:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nihao, for a given value thereof.&nbsp; You're just in time to join us on our long march, away from pleasant inns with pretty waitstaff and good tea, to spend nights encamped upon chilly ground with stones in the small of your back and my horrible cooking to sustain you.&nbsp; Be welcome, o traveler...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>04-04-2010, 22:12:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ni hao *polite bow*&nbsp; May chilly earth and stones in our back be the most of our worries!&nbsp; Alas, I fear we will have no such luck but then who does?&nbsp; Who are we to fear? *strikes heroic pose*&nbsp; As long as you keep the tea flowing, sagacious one, then I am content with any sustenance in my belly you may provide and count myself more fortunate than most.<br><br>But first I have to finish equipping myself!&nbsp; So.... thanks so much for your help today Hairy and Thufir, and here is where I am at for everyone else.&nbsp; I'll revise and write more detail for her background, but the outline is as Hairy suggested.&nbsp; Here's where I am at in the tweaking.<br><br>Name:&nbsp; (never named wind) <br>Concept: Wu xia<br><br>Aspects:&nbsp; 14 pts.<br>metal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>water&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>fire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>wood&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>earth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br><br>I had 4 for water, and 2 for fire but bumped it after reading about session tests that come with gifts/weaknesses.&nbsp; Could you explain more about the session tests as the book describes in connection with the gifts/weaknesses?&nbsp; I am dropping Breastplate of Bronze because of the big muscles ;p&nbsp; Claws of the tiger has&nbsp; 1x /session can add fire value to damage caused by blade, so I bumped water from 4 to 3 to increase fire by one.<br><br>I like the following gifts, but am still sorting out what might happen with each,a nd if other skills make more sense that therefore eliminate the need for one of these.&nbsp; Yes, that is steam coming out of ears but it's making more sense now.&nbsp; Any and all input is more than welcome.<br><br>Gift<br>claws of the tiger (1x /session can add fire value to damage caused by blade)<br>luck of the hare 1x/session can redo game test, choose between results)<br>sharp senses (1x/session redo perception test choose between results)<br><br>Weakness Curiosity of the rat<br><br>Skills coming tomorrow, I'm not understanding my own notes, numbers, and arrows so clearly it is time to call it a day ;).&nbsp; I am really having fun with this so far and look forward to being ready for the game.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 08:54:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				First, you need to have as many weaknesses as gifts, generally only one of each, or none at all ;).<br>Other than that, I like her stats. She's above average in almost everything but mystical abilities, with a high Balance of the Yin and Yang, and balanced body and spirit. As a side note, it means she gets lots of Chi, at the cost of not being as good in some tasks as a dedicated specialist. That's a natural trade-off, I think :P.<br>Not sure what you mean as "session tests", but if you are asking about the "once every session" line in the description of some gifts and weaknesses, it's easy. Qin is generally meant to be played with friends around a table, and a meeting is called a "session". Since we are playing it on a forum, a session can be about as much as the GM decides, but generally, it's several scenes, so you can't use said gift often 8-).<br>A scene is usually defined as the characters getting to another place and a different obstacle, so I'd say we just finished the second scene in game terms, although the GM might have a different way to count them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 12:02:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A good point. Since we'll be playing in a sort of episodic format here, how does this sound. Each gift or weakness can be used a number of times within a story equal to the appropriate stat? If we use Claws of the Tiger as an example, it relates to Fire, so you could use that ability a number of times equal to your Fire stat during the course of one story. Thoughts?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 19:12:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Depending on the number of scenes we play, it might make gifts overpowered or underpowered. Now, changing the balance is fine, but other gifts are applied all the time, which makes them more or less desirable. Of course, there isn't anything wrong with changing the balance, too ;).<br>A typical 4-hour session consists, in my experience, of 5 scenes, +/-1, although that was for Exalted :P. We could just track the scenes and allow the use of a once per session gift once per X scenes, or stick to your idea. I could work with either, although I would vote your variant for a game with a set plot, and adapting the session format in a sandbox game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 19:59:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good question, H2.&nbsp; I'll tentatively agree with our resident mentat on this, unless and until field testing demonstrates otherwise&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 20:58:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, we can kick things around as we go, see what works and what doesn't.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 21:18:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We certainly can ;). I haven't felt the need to use my Child of Shadows gift yet, so either way, I can use it if it becomes necessary.<br>Still, I say, just pick one option, and we'll play by it unless we decide to revert to the other!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-04-2010, 23:27:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anyone have a strong preference?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>06-04-2010, 20:39:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have no opinion on that.<br><br>I've been reading the past days, was ill yesterday so sorry I didn't finish, and have worked through the rules, book, etc.&nbsp; Here's the rest of my profile stats<br><br>Name:&nbsp; Wei Shi Feng (Unnamed Wind)<br><br>Concept: Wuxia<br><br>Aspects:&nbsp; 14 pts.<br>metal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>water&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>fire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>wood&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>earth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br><br>Gift/Weakness<br>claws of the tiger / curiosity of the rat<br><br>Skills<br>Metal--Daoshu (dagger) 2<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hand to Hand&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;2 <br>Water--Gongshu (archery) 2<br>Fire--Eloquence 1<br>Wood--Investigation 1<br>Earth--Internal Alchemy 1<br><br>Techniques--ah, realized I am assuming I can take a level 2 skill without a level 1 first...anyway, here it is with that assumption<br>hand-to-hand:&nbsp; trap (2)<br>daoshu:&nbsp; direct hit (1), two weapons (1), double block (2)<br><br>Tao's--all at 1<br>Tao of the Six Directions <br>Tao of the Light Step<br>Tao of Ten Thousand Hands<br>Tao of the Inner Eye<br>Tao of the Sudden Lightning<br>Tao of the Hidden Shadow<br>Tao of Yin Tang<br><br>The book I have has been redacted, I can't see tables for costs, but was using ooc anyway&nbsp; There is another 60 points coming if I understood correctly?<br><br>So if I did this right Balance = 0, Chi=8, passive defense =16, breath of life = 21, resistance =5.<br><br>Thanks for your help on this.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:17:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I should hopefully be able to work through this tomorrow, as I've been a bit busy the last few days.<br><br>At any rate, our first little episode is about wrapped up, with our heros riding off into the dawn. 4 xp for everyone to start with, and if anyone wants to make nominations for bonus xp for others, say so :) XP can be spent now, or stashed for later.<br><br>Spending XP on boosting any skills you've used is fine. If you want to take an entirely new skill or ability, run it by me first.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:19:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Stashing XP, aye aye!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:36:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<strong>Cookies for the cookie monster &gt;:)!</strong><br><br>By the way, how many nominations have I got?<br>Either way, I want to nominate Imogen, for clever planning and good roleplaying, but I'll consider another nomination if I can award more than one :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:37:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I second the NOMination.&nbsp; She's been a real trooper...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:41:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No real limit&nbsp; on the nominations. If someone does something worthy of being recognised, recognise it :)<br><br>Normally one or two bonus xp per session is the most people tend to get.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 01:59:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Then I must add our resident fangshi to the list, he plays his role of being aloof and concentrated on his teachings rather well 8-)!<br>I'll skip Mad Panda this time, although I almost added him to the list as well, he played very well ;)!<br><br>Also, I was wondering, when do you count as "inconvenienced" by your weakness? It has a mechanical meaning as well. This being Wuxia, I strongly suspect that the guy I left alive because of the "family code" will be back to inconvenience us, but I'm not sure whether it is worth bonus XP, at least until he does appear ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 09:42:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd say when he appears, or someone acting in his stead.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 11:29:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Guys, thank you! That made me blush and smile at the same time! And YAY, my turn! I would very much like to nominate Thufir for being instrumental in keeping the story rolling with his examples and suggestions (such as letting Feng lead through the gates). Also, I want to nominate Madpanda for the consistent roleplay of his character's&nbsp; strengths and weaknesses. The references to reciting classic verse, or the little preening after receiving a compliment; all those little perks and treats of the character add so much flavor to the story. I too liked the Fangshi's portrayal: the initial reluctance to travel without clear gain made me smile (that appealed to my roguish side ;-) And well, HH can't get bonus xp, but he deserves some for his portrayal of Madame Shu, having created a mysterious and alluring woman. :-P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 15:18:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, in Thufir's case, I think the reward would be more along the lines of 'MVP' or 'Workhorse', to borrow a couple of terms from Mouse Guard&nbsp; :-)<br><br>XP nom for Thufir seconded.<br><br>And...gawrsh, I <em>did</em> threaten to quote classical poetry, didn't I?&nbsp; :-[&nbsp; Thanks, Imogen!&nbsp; I'd kind of forgotten about that bit.&nbsp; Lucky for me I have Journey to the West, Three Kingdoms, and Outlaws of the Marsh around someplace...hmmm...as well as Dream of Red Mansions!&nbsp; Melrose Place, classical Chinese style.&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)<br><br>(Although this one humbly observes that for a 'classic' Chinese novel, that last was written too, too recently!)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 17:33:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2918637#msg2918637">Quote from: Imogen on 08-04-2010, 11:29:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Guys, thank you! That made me blush and smile at the same time! And YAY, my turn! I would very much like to nominate Thufir for being instrumental in keeping the story rolling with his examples and suggestions (such as letting Feng lead through the gates).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Keep blushing. I like that :P!<br>Also, thank you for the compliment, I'm glad you don't mind me trying to push the story &gt;:)!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2918844#msg2918844">Quote from: MadPanda on 08-04-2010, 15:18:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Actually, in Thufir's case, I think the reward would be more along the lines of 'MVP' or 'Workhorse', to borrow a couple of terms from Mouse Guard&nbsp; :-)<br><br>XP nom for Thufir seconded.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Thanks, man, I hope I'm worthy of these titles 8-)!<br>By the way, I notice you read indie games and classics. It's a curious combination, because so do I ;D!
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 17:43:08</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Been in the hobby so long it isn't funny...&nbsp; :P&nbsp; Damn near thirty years, now.&nbsp; So for me, 'indie' games are really a breath of fresh air: it doesn't have to be all orcs, dragons, and blasters!<br><br>As for the classics...we got the four classic novels of China mostly for our daughter's sake.&nbsp; Before we went to get her, I joked about intending to raise her on Sun Tzu, Lao Tse, and the literary classics, so when we found a set of Three Kingdoms and Journey to the West in a bookstore at the White Swan Hotel in Guangzhou I was unable to resist.<br><br>And when she tires of Lu Bu and the merry bandits of Lian Shan Bo, there's always Dumas and Discworld.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 19:23:45</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that's long, MadPanda, you started playing before I was born! Personally, I can't say I'm tired of orks, only of the "traditional" approach to them, but I value the indie games for the new approaches they bring to rules and story.<br>And I fully approve of your choice of children books &gt;:)!
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 19:46:12</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				When I starting rp'ing*, there were only a few basic options, and the one everybody and their dog knew about was the one that rhymes with 'truncheons and flagons'.&nbsp; For me, the dungeon crawl got old right around 7th, 8th grade...what I enjoyed was the storytelling aspects rather than the body count, and I was more of a sci-fi gamer at heart than a fantasy gamer.&nbsp; When I found out about things like Over the Edge and Amber, I jumped at the chance to get away from the same-old-same-old.&nbsp; And I admit it's really nice to see the variety of models and approaches, even overshadowing as the massive hand of the OGL has been these past few years.<br><br>Check my suggestion box some time for a list of indie systems that have caught my eye&nbsp; ;D&nbsp; You've probably heard of most of them, though.<br><br>(* old timey rant about walking to game, through snow, for thirty miles, uphill both ways goes here...)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 20:54:06</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2919432#msg2919432">Quote from: MadPanda on 08-04-2010, 19:46:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(* old timey rant about walking to game, through snow, for thirty miles, uphill both ways goes here...)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I have actually walked uphill both ways and it was the funniest thing ever, in my family you had to fight off bears to make the story good.&nbsp; Anyway, you all deserve it in my uninformed and not yet participating view.&nbsp; I've dissected this game&nbsp; because this will be so new for me, and I have learned from all of you already.<br><br>I will need some (more) help for the rest of my xp on my character, there are several tables which have been whited out and so I'm stuck at the moment.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 21:09:16</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				"Bears?&nbsp; Ha!&nbsp; In my day, young lady, we had DIRE bears!"<br><br>&nbsp;;D ;D ;D<br><br>Keeping in mind, I starting rp'ing in fourth grade, with a couple of other kids.&nbsp; None of us had any idea what we were doing, let alone really grasped half the stuff in this little red book called Basic D&amp;D...so we tended to, uhm, improvise some details.&nbsp; In the most juvenile, purile, and ridiculous way possible...our DM had just discovered the bikini cheesecake pinup and Playboy magazine (courtesy of, IIRC, a careless older sibling).<br><br>I was very disappointed to learn that Fighter/Cleric/Magic-user was not a legitimate class, and even more sad to learn that no, treasure distribution by random die roll was not SOP...plus, of course, you had to account for the weight of what you were carrying.<br><br>We were happy little travesties of play balance in those days, ahhhhh, yes...
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 21:44:58</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I recall those days myself. In my case its about 25 years of playing and GMing, so Panda just edges me out there :)<br><br>I started with West End Games 'Ghostbusters', with trying to get a demonic idol out of a possessed taxi, and flushing a vampires ashes down the toilet, which somehow enabled it to reform. Usually I fell back on the tried and trusted 'long uncontrolled bursts of proton pack' :)<br><br>From there, red box D&amp;D, Robotech (Palladium), and AD&amp;D saw me through to college. It was really just the last 10 years or so that I've really expanded my game base (ie had cash to afford them ;) )
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 21:54:35</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, being able to afford books was a <em>biiiiiig</em> problem.<br><br>Ghostbusters!&nbsp; I have that around someplace.&nbsp; Oh, the puns!&nbsp; Oh, the popcult references!&nbsp; Oh, the insanity...
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 22:05:56</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it was fun alright :)<br><br>On the subject of puns, my group is so bad for them we instituted the pun box. Any time you pun, you toss in money .. 20c or so usually, up to maybe a euro for the truly bad puns. So far it's bought us one campaign box set and a couple of other sourcebooks for different systems :)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 22:10:20</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, let's run through this now :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2913059#msg2913059">Quote from: Arhys on 06-04-2010, 20:39:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Concept: Wuxia<br><br>Aspects:&nbsp; 14 pts.<br>metal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>water&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>fire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>wood&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>earth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br><br>Gift/Weakness<br>claws of the tiger / curiosity of the rat<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's all fine.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2913059#msg2913059">Quote from: Arhys on 06-04-2010, 20:39:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Skills<br>Metal--Daoshu (dagger) 2<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hand to Hand&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;2 <br>Water--Gongshu (archery) 2<br>Fire--Eloquence 1<br>Wood--Investigation 1<br>Earth--Internal Alchemy 1<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's fine. One comment I would have is if you look at the description of the wu xia it says<br><br>"Awu xia is a martial arts practitioner whose goal in life is to improve his mastery of his chosen weapon. He will frequently live on the margins of the society of the Zhongguo, in the jiang hu. He may pursue a noble cause, or sell his fighting skills, but will always remain true to his dream of becoming the perfect warrior."<br><br>Rather than seeking master of one chosen weapon, you've selected 3 different ones here, and trained them to competent. There's nothing wrong in that, but I just thought I'd mention it. Additionally most wu xia go for something larger than daggers .. swords, spears, pole-arms and so on.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2913059#msg2913059">Quote from: Arhys on 06-04-2010, 20:39:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Techniques--ah, realized I am assuming I can take a level 2 skill without a level 1 first...anyway, here it is with that assumption<br>hand-to-hand:&nbsp; trap (2)<br>daoshu:&nbsp; direct hit (1), two weapons (1), double block (2)<br><br>Tao's--all at 1<br>Tao of the Six Directions <br>Tao of the Light Step<br>Tao of Ten Thousand Hands<br>Tao of the Inner Eye<br>Tao of the Sudden Lightning<br>Tao of the Hidden Shadow<br>Tao of Yin Tang<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>You have 15 points to spend on Taos and Techniques. 2 at level 2 and 2 at level 1 will cost 8 points, leaving you 7 for your Taos, so that balances. Again, you seem to be spreading your abilities over a fair range, rather than focusing on being better at one thing ... nothing wrong in it, but if you're aiming for the wu xia as a template, you might want to swap things around. It's your choice of course.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2913059#msg2913059">Quote from: Arhys on 06-04-2010, 20:39:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The book I have has been redacted, I can't see tables for costs, but was using ooc anyway&nbsp; There is another 60 points coming if I understood correctly?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Correct.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2913059#msg2913059">Quote from: Arhys on 06-04-2010, 20:39:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So if I did this right Balance = 0, Chi=8, passive defense =16, breath of life = 21, resistance =5.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Chi is 16. You forgot to multiply the basic chi by the highest skill level .. another reason to specialise in one skill, if you want to boost your chi for your martial abilities. The rest looks fine.<br><br>Now, you have another 60xp to spend. New skills and Taos cost 4xp per level, and each level must be purchased in turn. Combat abilities cost 4xp per level, but don't have to be purchased in sequence. They are limited to your skill level in that particular weapon though.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-04-2010, 22:11:56</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd do that pun-box in the biweekly supers game I'm in, but the worst offenders are the twin brothers who are running the game!
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>09-04-2010, 09:46:30</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2919432#msg2919432">Quote from: MadPanda on 08-04-2010, 19:46:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Check my suggestion box some time for a list of indie systems that have caught my eye&nbsp; ;D&nbsp; You've probably heard of most of them, though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I have indeed heard of most of them, but I've only played a few ;). I admit I liked them all, though, and a few that aren't there. Still, my experience with indie games is more limited. And of course, I like making stories with <em>traditional</em> systems, too, and borrowing approaches from both.<br>So, have you got an explanation for this? Why aren't more people on this forum recruiting for indie games, especially the ones that focus on story?<br>I still haven't found an answer I like for this :D!<br><br>By the way, I admit I don't know why Scion is even in the same list as your other games 8-)!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2919685#msg2919685">Quote from: MadPanda on 08-04-2010, 21:09:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I was very disappointed to learn that Fighter/Cleric/Magic-user was not a legitimate class, and even more sad to learn that no, treasure distribution by random die roll was not SOP...plus, of course, you had to account for the weight of what you were carrying.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Fighter-cleric-wizard is a legitimate class in the second edition, isn't it? Not sure about the Red Box, but then, it's one of the systems that I've always liked the least.<br>Treasure distribution by die roll is something new to me, though :P.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2919826#msg2919826">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 08-04-2010, 21:44:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, I recall those days myself. In my case its about 25 years of playing and GMing, so Panda just edges me out there :)<br><br>I started with West End Games 'Ghostbusters', with trying to get a demonic idol out of a possessed taxi, and flushing a vampires ashes down the toilet, which somehow enabled it to reform. Usually I fell back on the tried and trusted 'long uncontrolled bursts of proton pack' :)<br><br>From there, red box D&amp;D, Robotech (Palladium), and AD&amp;D saw me through to college. It was really just the last 10 years or so that I've really expanded my game base (ie had cash to afford them ;) )<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It's only 10 years for me, and you started a little before I was able to read, or when I was first learning reading in my native language ;).<br>To me, it was the Bloodsword series, then AD&amp;D2e and a bad GM conspired to make me give up on the whole concept of roleplaying. They failed, because I happened to read GURPS 3e, and concluded that since not all systems are bad, maybe there are better groups, too.<br>Then I found out one of my friends was preparing one of the first local RPG systems. I attended an alpha test, which wasn't memorable only for me, and witnessed a good group. Couldn't play with them due to scheduling issues, but after all, I already had GURPS 3e, and players can be found, if you look hard enough and find a way around the language issues ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2919913#msg2919913">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 08-04-2010, 22:05:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">On the subject of puns, my group is so bad for them we instituted the pun box. Any time you pun, you toss in money .. 20c or so usually, up to maybe a euro for the truly bad puns. So far it's bought us one campaign box set and a couple of other sourcebooks for different systems :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm so borrowing this idea for one of my groups &gt;:)!<br><br><br>Also, seems like Arhys is going for a generalist Xia. That might lead to an interesting discussion with more dedicated types :D!
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>09-04-2010, 14:41:18</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Point!&nbsp; I ought to have clarified that my list is not ONLY indie systems.&nbsp; There are just quite a few on there (and several that I own that are not on that list, like Poison'd or Dogs in the Vineyard, because I'm not certain how good they are for playing by post).<br><br>If I have an explanation for the lack of recruitment for indie games, it is likely to start with a curmudgeonly gesture in the direction of the OGL/d20 combine.&nbsp; Not everybody has the time and interest in learning or experimenting with new or unknown systems, after all--some of those games are very small press, and one or two might be out of print by now.&nbsp; And as for story?&nbsp; It's easier to freeform.&nbsp; Beyond that, your mileage (kilometerage?) may vary.<br><br>Yes, fighter/cleric/magic-user is a valid class, <span class="bbc_u">in Advanced D&amp;D</span>.&nbsp; Gnomes only, I think.&nbsp; Or was it Dwarves?&nbsp; Certainly not for Humans.&nbsp; Basic D&amp;D, which is what we were playing, has no multiclassing at all.&nbsp; The closest you can get in Basic is to play an Elf.&nbsp; (Elf is a class, and is Fighter/Magic-user.&nbsp; Dwarf and Halfling are also classes--Fighter subset and Fighter/Thief, more or less.)&nbsp; This gives you some idea of how fast and loose we were with the rules.&nbsp; Or, rather, how fast and loose our DM was with the rules, because for about a year he was the only one who had a copy.<br><br>Trying to run through the Tomb of Horrors, using Basic, with third level characters.&nbsp; That was an experience.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>09-04-2010, 23:10:15</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2921898#msg2921898">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 09-04-2010, 09:46:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I have indeed heard of most of them, but I've only played a few ;). I admit I liked them all, though, and a few that aren't there. Still, my experience with indie games is more limited. And of course, I like making stories with <em>traditional</em> systems, too, and borrowing approaches from both.<br>So, have you got an explanation for this? Why aren't more people on this forum recruiting for indie games, especially the ones that focus on story?<br>I still haven't found an answer I like for this :D!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I haven't played much in the way of indie games. My favourite systems would be Scion, Legend of the Five Rings and Exalted, with Qin and Star Wars lurking just beyond. The new Dresden Files is looking promising, judging by my read through of the rules, but haven't had the chance to try it out yet.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2921898#msg2921898">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 09-04-2010, 09:46:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">By the way, I admit I don't know why Scion is even in the same list as your other games 8-)!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Because Scion seriously rocks. It's a great game. The final scene in our Hero arc had our band refighting a chunk of the Battle of Stalingrad with ghosts, trying to stop Rasputin enacting a ritual designed by the necromancer who caused World War 1, which would kill everyone in the city, and fuel his ascension to Godhood. Now as demigods they're in the Chinese underworld, investing a centuries old ghost slavery ring. They're preparing for an assault on the palace of the evil taoist ghost that is behind it all, and after that they're likely to challenge the Celestial Bureaucracy itself that the 9th Hell is unjust in keeping eternally the souls of those who have died too soon.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>09-04-2010, 23:57:32</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed, Dresden does look promising.&nbsp; (pokes Hairy)&nbsp; And it's all your fault, man.&nbsp; All your fault that I'm reading that monster.&nbsp; Totally.<br><br>But like Dying Earth, it's a rulebook that's as fun to read as it's likely going to be to play.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:05:27</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				The comments from Harry and Bob are great aren't they?&nbsp; ;D<br><br>I liked the one where Billy writes something about the pyramids at Giza, and it gets blacked out.<br><br>Amusingly a copy and paste will actually show up what's blacked out there. It makes no sense though.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:08:35</strong>
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				The marginal arguments are more than worth the high price of admission.<br><br>"Bob.&nbsp; You're helping.&nbsp; Stop helping."
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:17:30</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				For the record, I can pronounce “prefixmancer”&nbsp; just dandy.<br><br>You don’t have a tongue for it to roll off of.<br><br>Ah, a tongue. A skull can dream
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:18:22</strong>
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				Then there's one of the exchanges between Harry, Bob, and Billy...<br><br>"Billy, do me a favor and stop inventing problems I don't already have."<br><br>"Actually, there is some merit-"<br><br>"That goes DOUBLE for you, Bob!"<br><br>I love Butcher's Dresdenverse.&nbsp; Vampires lurking around every corner, ready to feast on your blood, or your emotions, or whatever it is the Blacks feed on; fallen angels, one of whom can only be killed by his tie; and a talking skull named Bob.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:18:39</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Now I've GOT to read the original novels.&nbsp; Bob getting to test drive a zombie T-rex?&nbsp; That's gotta be cool...
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:27:14</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923216#msg2923216">Quote from: MadPanda on 10-04-2010, 00:18:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Now I've GOT to read the original novels.&nbsp; Bob getting to test drive a zombie T-rex?&nbsp; That's gotta be cool...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>One of my favourite scenes in Grave Peril :)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 00:29:28</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923214#msg2923214">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 10-04-2010, 00:18:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I love Butcher's Dresdenverse.&nbsp; Vampires lurking around every corner, ready to feast on your blood, or your emotions, or whatever it is the Blacks feed on; fallen angels, one of whom can only be killed by his tie; and a talking skull named Bob.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't mind taking on the Reds, but the Denarians are way out of a starters league, unless you go high power from the start.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:00:42</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923245#msg2923245">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 00:27:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">One of my favourite scenes in Grave Peril :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Grave Peril?&nbsp; Hairy, are you going senile?&nbsp; That's from Dead Beat, not Grave Peril.<br><br>And personally, I wouldn't go right for the Denarians (the ones that are left, anyway).&nbsp; If I GM'ed a game, I'd probably tackle something small yet nasty first.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:15:42</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2922113#msg2922113">Quote from: MadPanda on 09-04-2010, 14:41:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Point!&nbsp; I ought to have clarified that my list is not ONLY indie systems.&nbsp; There are just quite a few on there (and several that I own that are not on that list, like Poison'd or Dogs in the Vineyard, because I'm not certain how good they are for playing by post).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Fine, I just noticed Scion first, because I've heard people describing it as "mechanically more broken than Exalted". Either way, if I wanted a game about half-gods, I'd rather use UA2 with Avatars instead. <br>And I was wondering if BoL or In a Wicked Age would work well for a PbP ;).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2922113#msg2922113">Quote from: MadPanda on 09-04-2010, 14:41:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If I have an explanation for the lack of recruitment for indie games, it is likely to start with a curmudgeonly gesture in the direction of the OGL/d20 combine.&nbsp; Not everybody has the time and interest in learning or experimenting with new or unknown systems, after all--some of those games are very small press, and one or two might be out of print by now.&nbsp; And as for story?&nbsp; It's easier to freeform.&nbsp; Beyond that, your mileage (kilometerage?) may vary.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Well, I guess I'm just a "best tool for the job" guy :P.<br>As for story, it might be <em>easier</em> to freeform, but if you look at my O&amp;Os, you'll find out that I consider it less useful. Maybe it's jut my kilometerage, as you said ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2922113#msg2922113">Quote from: MadPanda on 09-04-2010, 14:41:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, fighter/cleric/magic-user is a valid class, <span class="bbc_u">in Advanced D&amp;D</span>.&nbsp; Gnomes only, I think.&nbsp; Or was it Dwarves?&nbsp; Certainly not for Humans.&nbsp; Basic D&amp;D, which is what we were playing, has no multiclassing at all.&nbsp; The closest you can get in Basic is to play an Elf.&nbsp; (Elf is a class, and is Fighter/Magic-user.&nbsp; Dwarf and Halfling are also classes--Fighter subset and Fighter/Thief, more or less.)&nbsp; This gives you some idea of how fast and loose we were with the rules.&nbsp; Or, rather, how fast and loose our DM was with the rules, because for about a year he was the only one who had a copy.<br><br>Trying to run through the Tomb of Horrors, using Basic, with third level characters.&nbsp; That was an experience.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Ah well, I just don't know BD&amp;D so well. I'm pretty sure that Fighter/Cleric/Wizard was legal for elves and probably for half-elves, too.<br>Another thing I have never done is use scenarios. Actually, I'd risk to say that most people here don't use them ;). But still, for what I've heard on forums, the Tomb of Horrors is a rather deadly adventure :D! Did any of them survive?<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923029#msg2923029">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 09-04-2010, 23:10:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I haven't played much in the way of indie games. My favourite systems would be Scion, Legend of the Five Rings and Exalted, with Qin and Star Wars lurking just beyond. The new Dresden Files is looking promising, judging by my read through of the rules, but haven't had the chance to try it out yet.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I must admit that of all these, I'm only familiar with Qin and Exalted. So far, I just love Qin, and I love the setting of Exalted. The system, not so much 8-)!<br>Right now, I'm reading Talislanta... ;D<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923029#msg2923029">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 09-04-2010, 23:10:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Because Scion seriously rocks. It's a great game. The final scene in our Hero arc had our band refighting a chunk of the Battle of Stalingrad with ghosts, trying to stop Rasputin enacting a ritual designed by the necromancer who caused World War 1, which would kill everyone in the city, and fuel his ascension to Godhood. Now as demigods they're in the Chinese underworld, investing a centuries old ghost slavery ring. They're preparing for an assault on the palace of the evil taoist ghost that is behind it all, and after that they're likely to challenge the Celestial Bureaucracy itself that the 9th Hell is unjust in keeping eternally the souls of those who have died too soon.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sounds like a great game &gt;:)! As I said, the reason I'm not likely to play Scion is in the mechanics. Maybe it's just me, but they do matter to me. If I wanted to play Scion, I would just port the ideas to another system, or heavily house-rule the current one.<br>But until we finish the current, heavily houseruled Exalted game, it's just not on my "to do" list ;). That's another reason I don't need to read the Dresden game!<br>There are always more games than time to play them, I think it's a conspiration O8)!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:27:53</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923354#msg2923354">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 10-04-2010, 01:00:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Grave Peril?&nbsp; Hairy, are you going senile?&nbsp; That's from Dead Beat, not Grave Peril.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I keep mixing the names of those two up for some reason.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923354#msg2923354">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 10-04-2010, 01:00:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And personally, I wouldn't go right for the Denarians (the ones that are left, anyway).&nbsp; If I GM'ed a game, I'd probably tackle something small yet nasty first.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah, stick to smaller threats to start. The war with the Reds, the stuff between the Fae courts, and normal supernatural politics
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:32:23</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923434#msg2923434">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 01:27:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, stick to smaller threats to start. The war with the Reds, the stuff between the Fae courts, and normal supernatural politics<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, fighting in the war with the Red Court is dependent upon the PC group having any full-fledged White Council wizards.&nbsp; But yeah.&nbsp; Personally, if it were me, I'd start out dealing with relatively low-level things.&nbsp; Revenants and stuff like that.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:37:20</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923402#msg2923402">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 01:15:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Fine, I just noticed Scion first, because I've heard people describing it as "mechanically more broken than Exalted". Either way, if I wanted a game about half-gods, I'd rather use UA2 with Avatars instead. <br>And I was wondering if BoL or In a Wicked Age would work well for a PbP ;).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't know either of those games, so can't comment.<br><br>Having played Scion for a while, I wouldn't call it broken. There are a few things need tweaked, but they seem to have been identified on the forums, and a few commonly adopted house rules sort the worst offenders.<br><br>The style is high power play though. You don't have the usual "hide the weird stuff" vibe, if you choose not to do it. Admittedly our own group has tended to do that, but it's not a requirement of the game. You want to take over your own country, you can do it. But you'll be in the public eye then, and there is always something nastier than you. :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923402#msg2923402">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 01:15:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I must admit that of all these, I'm only familiar with Qin and Exalted. So far, I just love Qin, and I love the setting of Exalted. The system, not so much 8-)!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I like them all :)<br><br>L5R is a samurai themed game. 4th ed is on the way, if you're thinking of looking into it more. MY longest running campaign was 3 years doing the City of Lies for L5R. Technically we finished the main part of the campaign 6 months before the end, but my players wouldn't let me stop til they'd solved all the mysteries :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923402#msg2923402">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 01:15:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sounds like a great game &gt;:)! As I said, the reason I'm not likely to play Scion is in the mechanics. Maybe it's just me, but they do matter to me. If I wanted to play Scion, I would just port the ideas to another system, or heavily house-rule the current one.<br>But until we finish the current, heavily houseruled Exalted game, it's just not on my "to do" list ;). That's another reason I don't need to read the Dresden game!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Pff .. like you need to read the rules to get started ;)<br><br>Tell me, have you tried Scion, or are you going on 2nd hand info concerning the rules? I'm curious as to what you think is broken.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923402#msg2923402">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 01:15:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">There are always more games than time to play them, I think it's a conspiration O8)!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh yes, quite familiar with this :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 01:42:56</strong>
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				Funny you should say that, Thufir.&nbsp; I prefer Scion (warts and all) to Exalted.&nbsp; Something about streamlining parts of a crunchy process.&nbsp; But then I'm a light system sort of Panda.<br><br>In re: system vs. freeform, I do both.&nbsp; They both have advantages and disadvantages, depending on what you want to do.&nbsp; Trying to use a system for a light and fluffy romance is...not quite right.&nbsp; ;D&nbsp; On the other hand, trying to freeform tactical combat?&nbsp; Ow.&nbsp; Ow ow.&nbsp; Ow ow ow.&nbsp; Trying to use Phoenix Command, or RoleMaster?&nbsp; Fuggedaboudit.&nbsp; I'd rather play Advanced Squad Leader...<br><br>Tes, Tomb of Horrors is a party-killer.&nbsp; No, none of us survived.&nbsp; It didn't help that the DM hadn't actually read the module before starting it.&nbsp; So sue us.&nbsp; We were eleven.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-04-2010, 02:17:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923455#msg2923455">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 01:37:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Having played Scion for a while, I wouldn't call it broken. There are a few things need tweaked, but they seem to have been identified on the forums, and a few commonly adopted house rules sort the worst offenders.<br><br>The style is high power play though. You don't have the usual "hide the weird stuff" vibe, if you choose not to do it. Admittedly our own group has tended to do that, but it's not a requirement of the game. You want to take over your own country, you can do it. But you'll be in the public eye then, and there is always something nastier than you. :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>As I said, never played it. I was just told that it is more broken than Exalted, and decided not to invest in buying the corebook. Exalted is broken enough for me ;). Sure, house rules can fix that considerably, but even with houserules that make the PCs much tougher, I found that I just need a Paranoia Combo.<br>I'm fine with the high-powered vibe, although I'm more experienced with low-powered games. But that's more because I like historical games and the like ;D.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923455#msg2923455">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 01:37:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I like them all :)<br><br>L5R is a samurai themed game. 4th ed is on the way, if you're thinking of looking into it more. MY longest running campaign was 3 years doing the City of Lies for L5R. Technically we finished the main part of the campaign 6 months before the end, but my players wouldn't let me stop til they'd solved all the mysteries :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Well, my default samurai game is GURPS 4th ed with Martial arts and GURPS: Japan, or just a book on Japanese history. If you are familiar with GURPS, what are the advantages of L5R for Japanese games, if any?<br>Either way, I'm going to look into it after the next edition is out. I know who's going to buy it, persuading him to loan the book to me might be more of a problem ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923455#msg2923455">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 01:37:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Pff .. like you need to read the rules to get started ;)<br><br>Tell me, have you tried Scion, or are you going on 2nd hand info concerning the rules? I'm curious as to what you think is broken.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>As I said, I haven't. The GM of the Exalted game had, and I tend to believe him when it concerns mechanics.<br>I think he mentioned something about Epic Dexterity, but on the other hand, I might have read this in a forum. As I said, I'm not attacking the game, just remembered the process of choosing the next game. Scion didn't get many votes ;).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923455#msg2923455">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 10-04-2010, 01:37:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh yes, quite familiar with this :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I thought you would be 8-).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923473#msg2923473">Quote from: MadPanda on 10-04-2010, 01:42:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Funny you should say that, Thufir.&nbsp; I prefer Scion (warts and all) to Exalted.&nbsp; Something about streamlining parts of a crunchy process.&nbsp; But then I'm a light system sort of Panda.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Again, I really can't comment on that. Personally, I do both light systems and crunchy ones. But then, I also believe that when you understand a system, it's light to you, and you can explain it to others in a really condensed form. As an example, I explained GURPS 4th edition to a guy tonight, and it took me less than a minute. But then, I usually use GURPS to introduce new players, just because I have the basics down, and you can run the game by the basic rules.<br>I couldn't do that with D&amp;D, so it's too crunchy to me. But I don't claim that D&amp;D is a bad system, just not a good fit for me.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923473#msg2923473">Quote from: MadPanda on 10-04-2010, 01:42:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In re: system vs. freeform, I do both.&nbsp; They both have advantages and disadvantages, depending on what you want to do.&nbsp; Trying to use a system for a light and fluffy romance is...not quite right.&nbsp; ;D&nbsp; On the other hand, trying to freeform tactical combat?&nbsp; Ow.&nbsp; Ow ow.&nbsp; Ow ow ow.&nbsp; Trying to use Phoenix Command, or RoleMaster?&nbsp; Fuggedaboudit.&nbsp; I'd rather play Advanced Squad Leader...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Well, I seldom play just "light and fluffy". I want a conflict in order to get interested. With that in mind, my preferences are not surprising, aren't they?<br>By the way, what about Shooting the Moon? I thought it's all about love triangles.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923473#msg2923473">Quote from: MadPanda on 10-04-2010, 01:42:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Tes, Tomb of Horrors is a party-killer.&nbsp; No, none of us survived.&nbsp; It didn't help that the DM hadn't actually read the module before starting it.&nbsp; So sue us.&nbsp; We were eleven.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>So, it's as dangerous as I have heard ;).<br>But why should anyone sue you? If you had fun, it was a good game!<br>The reason we are not using modules is, by the way, there were almost no available modules when I got into RPGs. We just had to learn how to GM without them.<br>And once you learn how to GM without modules, and you make it work, why should you start using them?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-04-2010, 00:56:32</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923538#msg2923538">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 02:17:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As I said, never played it. I was just told that it is more broken than Exalted, and decided not to invest in buying the corebook. Exalted is broken enough for me ;). Sure, house rules can fix that considerably, but even with houserules that make the PCs much tougher, I found that I just need a Paranoia Combo.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Personally I don't consider Scion broken. I like the power level it plays at, and the sheer "You just did WHAT?" stuff you can pull off&nbsp; ;D<br><br>I'm sure its possible a fight could go horribly wrong, and PCs get killed. In Scion though, if you're demigods, you can down into the Underworld and try to get them back again :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923538#msg2923538">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 02:17:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm fine with the high-powered vibe, although I'm more experienced with low-powered games. But that's more because I like historical games and the like ;D.<br>Well, my default samurai game is GURPS 4th ed with Martial arts and GURPS: Japan, or just a book on Japanese history. If you are familiar with GURPS, what are the advantages of L5R for Japanese games, if any?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>My experience with GURPS is pretty limited, to just the core rules, and not a great deal of that. I think L5R works well in the setting, but I honestly couldn't compare pros and cons for you.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923538#msg2923538">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 02:17:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Either way, I'm going to look into it after the next edition is out. I know who's going to buy it, persuading him to loan the book to me might be more of a problem ;D!<br>As I said, I haven't. The GM of the Exalted game had, and I tend to believe him when it concerns mechanics.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It may be a case of YMMV. Most, if not all of my group have a fair bit of experience with Exalted, and we enjoy both it and Scion.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923538#msg2923538">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 02:17:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I think he mentioned something about Epic Dexterity, but on the other hand, I might have read this in a forum. As I said, I'm not attacking the game, just remembered the process of choosing the next game. Scion didn't get many votes ;).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Dex is a very important attribute in Scion. If someone builds a combat monster, maxes out their Dex / eDex, putting in bad guys that can hit them, those same bad guys will cream PCs who haven't kept up the Dex investment (especially if you play Untouchable Opponent as written). Put in bad guys that 'normal' scions can handle, and they can't hit the Dex monkey.<br><br>That's a known issue, and there are ways around it, but it relies on the GM thinking carefully about the combats.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2923538#msg2923538">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-04-2010, 02:17:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The reason we are not using modules is, by the way, there were almost no available modules when I got into RPGs. We just had to learn how to GM without them.<br>And once you learn how to GM without modules, and you make it work, why should you start using them?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Because there can be times its nice to let someone else do the hard work for you? :) Let's face it, GMing can be hard. It wears you out. That's part of the reason I like the setup my own pen and paper group has, with 3 of us taking it in turns to GM our Scion campaign.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-04-2010, 01:52:51</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Personally I don't consider Scion broken. I like the power level it plays at, and the sheer "You just did WHAT?" stuff you can pull off&nbsp; ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I think "you just did what" is a feature of games in general, even ones without any magic in the hands of the PCs &gt;:)! To me it means it's a good game.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm sure its possible a fight could go horribly wrong, and PCs get killed. In Scion though, if you're demigods, you can down into the Underworld and try to get them back again :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I tend to just make a good-bye party IC, while writing up a new character sheet OOC. That said, going in the Underworld is entirely thematic for a game like Exalted or Scion, only it wouldn't work in Exalted :D.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My experience with GURPS is pretty limited, to just the core rules, and not a great deal of that. I think L5R works well in the setting, but I honestly couldn't compare pros and cons for you.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, I understand, but I'm in the mirror position. I know that L5R has a d10 RnK system, and a few things about the default setting, but that's about it.<br>&nbsp;<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It may be a case of YMMV. Most, if not all of my group have a fair bit of experience with Exalted, and we enjoy both it and Scion.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I guess it's a case of YMMV, but it's not so different. We have a similar attitude to both gmaes, too.<br>It's just that our attitude implied extensive house-ruling of Exalted, and we didn't see a reason to do the same with Scion. Of course, we might consider it after the end of the current campaign, but barring a TPK, I wouldn't expect it to need picking a new game this year.<br>I might suggest L5R, if the new edition you mentioned gets good reviews.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Dex is a very important attribute in Scion. If someone builds a combat monster, maxes out their Dex / eDex, putting in bad guys that can hit them, those same bad guys will cream PCs who haven't kept up the Dex investment (especially if you play Untouchable Opponent as written). Put in bad guys that 'normal' scions can handle, and they can't hit the Dex monkey.<br><br>That's a known issue, and there are ways around it, but it relies on the GM thinking carefully about the combats.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, that's roughly what I remember.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926209#msg2926209">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 00:56:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Because there can be times its nice to let someone else do the hard work for you? :) Let's face it, GMing can be hard. It wears you out. That's part of the reason I like the setup my own pen and paper group has, with 3 of us taking it in turns to GM our Scion campaign.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>As I said, it wasn't an option. Besides, if someone is doing the work for you without having seen you, odds are it's not going to be customized to fit your group. And if I have to customize it, well, I can come up with my own stuff faster than reading through a module and making corrections.<br>But I agree it can wear you out. Taking turns is the solution we came up with, too, although it's the same GM during a single campaign. Do you mean you exchange GMs during the same campaign?<br>If yes, I'm curious how it works out ;).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-04-2010, 14:50:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I think "you just did what" is a feature of games in general, even ones without any magic in the hands of the PCs &gt;:)! To me it means it's a good game.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True, but there are degrees of that. Scion plays over the top, but that's the way it's supposed to.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I tend to just make a good-bye party IC, while writing up a new character sheet OOC. That said, going in the Underworld is entirely thematic for a game like Exalted or Scion, only it wouldn't work in Exalted :D.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You can visit the Underworld in Exalted, but it's not really recommended. As you go up the power curve in Scion, it's expected of you. Hero will mostly take place on Earth. Demigod you get to add in the Underworld for your frequent flier miles, and at God level you're visiting the God realms, and taking on the avatars of the titans themselves.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, I understand, but I'm in the mirror position. I know that L5R has a d10 RnK system, and a few things about the default setting, but that's about it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>http://www.enworld.org/forum/blogs/l5r-design-diaries/ (http://www.enworld.org/forum/blogs/l5r-design-diaries/)<br><br>This might help you. It's the designers diaries for 4th ed, explaining how they're doing some stuff and why.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> I guess it's a case of YMMV, but it's not so different. We have a similar attitude to both gmaes, too.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>*nods* Every group is going to have their own way of looking at things, and doing things.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's just that our attitude implied extensive house-ruling of Exalted, and we didn't see a reason to do the same with Scion. Of course, we might consider it after the end of the current campaign, but barring a TPK, I wouldn't expect it to need picking a new game this year.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The only real house rules we've adopted have been to tweak Untouchable Opponent and add Perception to firearms attacks damage, to keep firearms somewhat competitive against melee. Oh, and the GM assigns Legend, rather than the players just buying it. That keeps everyone around the same power level.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I might suggest L5R, if the new edition you mentioned gets good reviews.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I've played L5R from 1st ed through to 3rd. Didn't like 2nd ed, thought 3rd was very good, and 4th seems to be building on the frame of 3rd, so I think I'll enjoy it.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, that's roughly what I remember.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>There are enough boons and knacks that you can play without high epic dex, but it does require a bit more thought in what you're doing. And you need to remember that you won't be a front line fighter.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As I said, it wasn't an option. Besides, if someone is doing the work for you without having seen you, odds are it's not going to be customized to fit your group. And if I have to customize it, well, I can come up with my own stuff faster than reading through a module and making corrections.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I've run a couple of campaigns from books .. AD&amp;D 2nd ed's Avatar Trilogy, and the City of Lies for L5R (1st ed campaign we ran under 3rd ed rules). Normally I do my own stuff.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2926396#msg2926396">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 01:52:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But I agree it can wear you out. Taking turns is the solution we came up with, too, although it's the same GM during a single campaign. Do you mean you exchange GMs during the same campaign?<br>If yes, I'm curious how it works out ;).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's actually working out quite nicely. We tend to swap GMs after each scenario, and talk amongst ourselves to that one can fit smoothly into the next. Usually a scenario runs about 2 game sessions (12 hours ish, we play on weekends), but they can run longer. My current one has been quite large, and probably run about 5 or 6 sessions at this point .. maybe a bit more. I was designing it so we would move up to Legend 6 at the end of it.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-04-2010, 16:20:15</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">True, but there are degrees of that. Scion plays over the top, but that's the way it's supposed to.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm not sure about degrees. I mean, in investigator killing off a Mythos creature and surviving, and still being normal enough to tell the tale is not so different to me than a group of Dragon-blooded taking on a Deathlord and winning.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You can visit the Underworld in Exalted, but it's not really recommended. As you go up the power curve in Scion, it's expected of you. Hero will mostly take place on Earth. Demigod you get to add in the Underworld for your frequent flier miles, and at God level you're visiting the God realms, and taking on the avatars of the titans themselves.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yes, different games and all that. Although some groups have conquered the Underworld I'm sure.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">http://www.enworld.org/forum/blogs/l5r-design-diaries/ (http://www.enworld.org/forum/blogs/l5r-design-diaries/)<br><br>This might help you. It's the designers diaries for 4th ed, explaining how they're doing some stuff and why.<br><br>I've played L5R from 1st ed through to 3rd. Didn't like 2nd ed, thought 3rd was very good, and 4th seems to be building on the frame of 3rd, so I think I'll enjoy it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Thanks, I'll look through these notes. And who knows, it might be our next game, depending on the group consensus.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*nods* Every group is going to have their own way of looking at things, and doing things.<br><br>The only real house rules we've adopted have been to tweak Untouchable Opponent and add Perception to firearms attacks damage, to keep firearms somewhat competitive against melee. Oh, and the GM assigns Legend, rather than the players just buying it. That keeps everyone around the same power level.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, a lot depends on the group ;).<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=466703</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Houserules</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> that our GM introduced for Exalted, if you want to compare notes &gt;:).<br>They are the only reason I didn't go through more PCs than I did :P. Also, our current battles can easily last for hours, the characters take wounds but just keep fighting, it becomes harder to finish them off for good, and soak finally matters ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">There are enough boons and knacks that you can play without high epic dex, but it does require a bit more thought in what you're doing. And you need to remember that you won't be a front line fighter.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Not being able to survive the same opponents the GM throws at the front line fighter might be a bit of a problem in a game where a fight can last for hours of real time, though. If you can survive them, but not do much against them other than being a distraction, it's still doable. If you go splat when they decide to fight you, the system makes your life harder, and who needs that?<br>Last time, the two players that couldn't fight on the front line started a one-shot with a different system after the characters were out of the fight :P.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I've run a couple of campaigns from books .. AD&amp;D 2nd ed's Avatar Trilogy, and the City of Lies for L5R (1st ed campaign we ran under 3rd ed rules). <strong>Normally I do my own stuff.</strong><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It's not so different, then.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928268#msg2928268">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 14:50:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's actually working out quite nicely. We tend to swap GMs after each scenario, and talk amongst ourselves to that one can fit smoothly into the next. Usually a scenario runs about 2 game sessions (12 hours ish, we play on weekends), but they can run longer. My current one has been quite large, and probably run about 5 or 6 sessions at this point .. maybe a bit more. I was designing it so we would move up to Legend 6 at the end of it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sounds interesting, but I don't know whether the group would like that. I might have to suggest it, since virtually everybody has GMed ;D!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-04-2010, 17:01:34</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm not sure about degrees. I mean, in investigator killing off a Mythos creature and surviving, and still being normal enough to tell the tale is not so different to me than a group of Dragon-blooded taking on a Deathlord and winning.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A bunch of high essence solars might be able to take on a Deathlord, but I couldn't see Dragonbloods managing it.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, different games and all that. Although some groups have conquered the Underworld I'm sure.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>To my mind that'd be high end play.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thanks, I'll look through these notes. And who knows, it might be our next game, depending on the group consensus.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I think it's a good game. It's one I'd recommend, but the playstyle may not suit everyone.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, a lot depends on the group ;). that our GM introduced for Exalted, if you want to compare notes &gt;:).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>One shotting Scions is possible, but in a reasonably fair fight should be next to impossible. I can think of a few knacks that can prevent that from happening. I'll get a read through the thread though.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">They are the only reason I didn't go through more PCs than I did :P. Also, our current battles can easily last for hours, the characters take wounds but just keep fighting, it becomes harder to finish them off for good, and soak finally matters ;D!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Same with us. Battles can last for a while, but in general we tend to wear the bad guys down sooner or later. And as resident combat monster, if you give me a chance to prepare, you do not want to see the level of pain I can lay down with an alpha strike&nbsp; ;D I'm playing a son of Sun Wukong, and he takes after his dad ;)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Not being able to survive the same opponents the GM throws at the front line fighter might be a bit of a problem in a game where a fight can last for hours of real time, though. If you can survive them, but not do much against them other than being a distraction, it's still doable. If you go splat when they decide to fight you, the system makes your life harder, and who needs that?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Again, not necessarily. There are a few boons and knacks that can make it pretty hard for them to hit you. You can't do that much to them, but you can still soak or block the attacks against you, and if the bad guy is attacking you, the combat monster will make them pay :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Last time, the two players that couldn't fight on the front line started a one-shot with a different system after the characters were out of the fight :P.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>In Scion someone can still aid a fight even if they're not swinging weapons. Buffing allies and debuffing bad guys helps too remember.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's not so different, then.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Probably not. I'll swipe ideas from books, comics, films and rework them into our scenarios :)<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928371#msg2928371">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 11-04-2010, 16:20:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sounds interesting, but I don't know whether the group would like that. I might have to suggest it, since virtually everybody has GMed ;D!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The 3 of us who GM all have decades of experience, so it's not too hard to play a semi episodic format where each story leads into the next. <br><br>BTW I hope everyone else isn't bored stiff with us here :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-04-2010, 08:34:22</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A bunch of high essence solars might be able to take on a Deathlord, but I couldn't see Dragonbloods managing it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's what would make it a "you just did what" moment, right :P?<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">To my mind that'd be high end play.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Hey, I never said you can start off with it!<br>But it's a suitable end of an anti-Neverborn campaign. Or an Abyssal campaign. Or whatever campaign, for that matter!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I think it's a good game. It's one I'd recommend, but the playstyle may not suit everyone.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm flexible with playstyles. I guess you should be, in order to like GURPS and IaWA ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">One shotting Scions is possible, but in a reasonably fair fight should be next to impossible. I can think of a few knacks that can prevent that from happening. I'll get a read through the thread though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>One-shotting unarmoured Solars without soak charms is easy by RAW. A non-artifact heavy weapon on a random hit is often enough.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Same with us. Battles can last for a while, but in general we tend to wear the bad guys down sooner or later. And as resident combat monster, if you give me a chance to prepare, you do not want to see the level of pain I can lay down with an alpha strike&nbsp; ;D I'm playing a son of Sun Wukong, and he takes after his dad ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sun Wukong is the best!<br>And I'm sure the story of your PC's conception is worthy of E ;).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Again, not necessarily. There are a few boons and knacks that can make it pretty hard for them to hit you. You can't do that much to them, but you can still soak or block the attacks against you, and if the bad guy is attacking you, the combat monster will make them pay :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sure, you can do the same by taking the Dodge charms in Exalted, too. I just opted to start without them as an experiment.<br>I can report it's not the best idea, just a barely survivable one.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In Scion someone can still aid a fight even if they're not swinging weapons. Buffing allies and debuffing bad guys helps too remember.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I tend to give priority to killing buffers, but maybe that's just me :D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Probably not. I'll swipe ideas from books, comics, films and rework them into our scenarios :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's what all GMs I know are doing ;).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The 3 of us who GM all have decades of experience, so it's not too hard to play a semi episodic format where each story leads into the next. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I think we've got 3 decades between the 3 of us ;). We should try it, though.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2928412#msg2928412">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-04-2010, 17:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">BTW I hope everyone else isn't bored stiff with us here :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I hope so, too!<br>In case they are, would it be against the rules of the site to invite you to discuss games on Skype 8-)?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>15-04-2010, 01:49:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Arhys, you needing any more help with your character at the moment? I'd like to get you set up before we start on the next episode, so you're ready to swing into the action once it starts :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>15-04-2010, 07:24:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm sorry and embarrassed it is taking so long, I am really trying but am getting more overwhelmed the deeper I dig in, so any help would be greatly appreciated.&nbsp; Thanks to all of you for your patience.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>15-04-2010, 20:52:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Its not a problem. A new system can always be a bit awkward to work with. What do you need help with?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>16-04-2010, 10:15:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I keep trying to figure out a set of attributes and then figure out what might happen in combat, so I go back to check another formula or read rules,t hen have to tweak, and on and on--car stuck in snow or sand and spinning my wheels without effect is the picture that comes to mind--or deer in headlights.&nbsp; I'm making it too complicated for myself, I will finish them now and then just see what you think and what happens.&nbsp; I do realize you all have been waiting some time already.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-04-2010, 12:36:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2943427#msg2943427">Quote from: Arhys on 16-04-2010, 10:15:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm making it too complicated for myself, I will <strong>finish them now and then just see what you think and what happens.</strong><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>For what it's worth, that would be my advice as well ;)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>17-04-2010, 23:00:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All right, here we go.&nbsp; First off are changes to the original, if it is ok to do that still.<br><br>aspects:&nbsp; metal 4, water 3, fire 3, wood 3, earth 1<br><br>gift/weakness claws of tiger/ curiosity of the rat<br><br>skills: jianshu 3, daoshu 2, gongshu 1<br><br>techniques: Jianshu:&nbsp; feint (2/3), whirlwind block (3/6), direct hit (1/1)<br><br>taos:&nbsp; Ten Thousand Hands 1, Six Directions 1, Sudden Lightning 2<br><br><br><br>The 60 point expansion would be:<br><br>Aspect:&nbsp; earth 1 -&gt; 2 (10 xp)<br><br>Skill: jianshu 3 -&gt; 4 (16 xp), investigation 1 (4xp)<br><br>Techniques:&nbsp; jianshu double block (8 xp), two weapons (16xp)<br><br>Taos:&nbsp; ten thousand hands -&gt; 2 (4 xp)<br><br>banking 2 xp.<br><br>Hopefully this is ok, but if not I get it now and can tweak it quickly.&nbsp; Thanks again.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-04-2010, 00:04:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll check the numbers in the morning when I'm in less danger of falling asleep :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 01:00:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2947488#msg2947488">Quote from: Arhys on 17-04-2010, 23:00:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">All right, here we go.&nbsp; First off are changes to the original, if it is ok to do that still.<br><br>aspects:&nbsp; metal 4, water 3, fire 3, wood 3, earth 1<br><br>gift/weakness claws of tiger/ curiosity of the rat<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>These are fine/<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2947488#msg2947488">Quote from: Arhys on 17-04-2010, 23:00:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">skills: jianshu 3, daoshu 2, gongshu 1<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's fine. <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2947488#msg2947488">Quote from: Arhys on 17-04-2010, 23:00:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">techniques: Jianshu:&nbsp; feint (2/3), whirlwind block (3/6), direct hit (1/1)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ok.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2947488#msg2947488">Quote from: Arhys on 17-04-2010, 23:00:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">taos:&nbsp; Ten Thousand Hands 1, Six Directions 1, Sudden Lightning 2<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>And that's fine.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2947488#msg2947488">Quote from: Arhys on 17-04-2010, 23:00:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The 60 point expansion would be:<br><br>Aspect:&nbsp; earth 1 -&gt; 2 (10 xp)<br><br>Skill: jianshu 3 -&gt; 4 (16 xp), investigation 1 (4xp)<br><br>Techniques:&nbsp; jianshu double block (8 xp), two weapons (16xp)<br><br>Taos:&nbsp; ten thousand hands -&gt; 2 (4 xp)<br><br>banking 2 xp.<br><br>Hopefully this is ok, but if not I get it now and can tweak it quickly.&nbsp; Thanks again.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yep, that all looks good. I'd say you're ready to go.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 01:53:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Assuming nothing unexpected crops up, I'll move us into the next chapter of our story tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 01:55:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<em>Chargez</em>!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 09:12:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Allons-y!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 10:04:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*gulp*&nbsp; ok, I am ready to boldly go where Arhys has not gone before...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 12:02:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All for one, and one for all!!! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 21:14:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Arhys, your character can be approaching from the opposite direction, so will arrive about the same time as the other group.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>21-04-2010, 23:32:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is the peddler still with us? I'd like to know if we had left the cursed places ;) .<br><br>I suspect we haven't, what is a good Chinese story without ghosts &gt;:)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-04-2010, 01:42:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No the peddler was going the other way. He neglected to say just how far this supposedly haunted stretch of dank, dark, isolated forest road is :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>22-04-2010, 01:47:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...<br><br>You're worried about ghosts.<br><br>When you have a fangshi with you?&nbsp; Who happens to have level 3 exorcism?&nbsp; Who has the highest amount of Chi in the party?&nbsp; (Heck, I probably have more than any two of you combined.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-04-2010, 01:56:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ghosts, jiang shi, bashe, yaoguai, huli jing, xiao, xing tian, the white snake woman&nbsp; &gt;:)<br><br>But I'm sure you'll all be perfectly fine, and pass a completely uneventful night&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-04-2010, 15:06:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2960026#msg2960026">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 22-04-2010, 01:47:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">...<br><br>You're worried about ghosts.<br><br>When you have a fangshi with you?&nbsp; Who happens to have level 3 exorcism?&nbsp; Who has the highest amount of Chi in the party?&nbsp; (Heck, I probably have more than any two of you combined.)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sounds like I'd be more afraid for the ghosts ;D.<br>But actually, I just wanted to know what to expect. One should never underestimate surprise, even if we are travelling with you, they could still do some damage if they catch us unprepared.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>22-04-2010, 15:34:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				"A simple delivery, he says.&nbsp; Just float down the river to Warsaw and drop off these supplies, he says.&nbsp; Easy money, he says.&nbsp; So who are all these people, and why the bleep are they shooting at us??"<br><br>Ahh, travel!&nbsp; The chance to get out into the fresh air, see new sights, and interact with the native population in interesting ways.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 16:26:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, since nobody <em>actually</em> objects, I guess Li will be the first to get in ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 18:28:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				BTW, the second building is quite close to the inn ... maybe 40 or 50 feet further back. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 19:34:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, that's where the masked assassins will come from :P! Aren't they hiding there now?<br><br>Also, first post for Arhys, the introduction is likely to be interesting ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 19:37:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Pass me a molotov cocktail, and we'll do those assassins what for right now...<br><br>Oh, wait.&nbsp; Wrong century.&nbsp; My bad.&nbsp; &nbsp;:P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 20:13:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, they <em>did</em> have powder &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 20:22:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But not vodka.&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 23:05:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's ancient China, not the Paradise :P!<br><br>But I'm sure we can get the characters drunk with whatever is at hand. If anyone has Poetry, maybe we'll even get some inspired poems after a night of drinking ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-04-2010, 23:31:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And Chinese wine probably burns really well, too.&nbsp; I haven't tried lighting the little bottle we brought back with us from that cloisonne factory tour, but it's pretty strong stuff...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>24-04-2010, 00:01:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I cook with Shaoxing wine, for marinating and it does an amazing job deglazing a wok.&nbsp; You can use it as substitute for sherry in European or American recipes, too and for a delicate little tipple ;)&nbsp; &nbsp;But not burnable, alas. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>24-04-2010, 16:55:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Darn!&nbsp; Sure feels strong enough...<br>So no molotov cocktails for all.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>26-04-2010, 08:55:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And I'm waiting for the fangshi to offer his services any moment now ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 12:14:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Perception roll equals 8 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15053) for the 3 guys in the corner.<br><br>Did I send you my rolls for Meditation? We had a couple of days for this, and I think I did, but I can't see them in the list of my rolls.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 13:47:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah Arhys, sorry I missed the part of your post regarding your character going through the stables. I guess I was thrown off by the descriptions of warmth and joy. Again, my oversight, sorry. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 13:54:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries Imogen :)&nbsp; It's all fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 14:14:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Speaking about stables, Li really hopes the stableboy is doing a good job caring about his horse &gt;:)!<br><br>And a lone woman in an inn with three drunk armed men? I can see how it can turn ugly real fast ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 14:18:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You're probably out of luck. If there'd been a stable boy, i'm sure he'd have addressed Jiao-Jie long ago ;-) not to mention the foul weather outside ;-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 14:23:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know that ;). Li doesn't, though, since nobody mentioned it to him :P!<br><br>Well, if his horse gets sick, we'll just have an occasion to demand our money back in the morning, or something like this &gt;:).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-04-2010, 20:39:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2984115#msg2984115">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 29-04-2010, 12:14:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Perception roll equals 8 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15053) for the 3 guys in the corner.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That may have been bad wording on my part. The three guys are sitting separately.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2984115#msg2984115">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 29-04-2010, 12:14:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Did I send you my rolls for Meditation? We had a couple of days for this, and I think I did, but I can't see them in the list of my rolls.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't recall you sending me any. What were they for?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-04-2010, 08:03:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2985082#msg2985082">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 29-04-2010, 20:39:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That may have been bad wording on my part. The three guys are sitting separately.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Or it might be bad comprehension roll on my part, but I read it as a group of three. Well, I'll just send you two more rolls immediately.<br>Here is a result of 12 for the second guy (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15072).<br>Here is a result of only 6, but with an Ying-Yang Balance of 2, for the third one, it's an auto-success (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15073) ;).<br>Funny, my worst result is the only time I used Tao of the Inner eye ;D!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2985082#msg2985082">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 29-04-2010, 20:39:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I don't recall you sending me any. What were they for?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>As per p.75, meditation restores Chi.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-04-2010, 09:42:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As does sleep, as I recall, and you've had several quiet days on the road .. enough that all injuries are healed, and chi back at full.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-04-2010, 10:29:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fine, no need for rolls then ;).<br>So, what did I learn for the three men with the above rolls? You can send it via PM or post it here, I trust the other players to separate OOC from IC knowledge :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-05-2010, 00:31:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The first guy has, you detect, faint traces of barbarian blood. His clothing is well worn, but his weapon is of good quality. He might be a mercenary, or caravan guard.<br><br>The second is scruffier, looking like he has been either long or hard on the road. The way he is sitting he seems to be favouring his left side .. perhaps a wound beneath his clothes?<br><br>The third is better dressed, his clothing well cut, and a guan dao sits proped beside him, along with a travelling pack. You would peg him as a wu xia.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-05-2010, 16:09:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I now enjoy the idea of seeing Jiao Jie and Wei blush at the same time, in case they haven't introduced themselves :P.<br><br>Of course, Li would say the same, whether he has been able to hear their conversation or not. It would be just with different motives &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>08-05-2010, 16:58:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I doubt you'll have that pleasure :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-05-2010, 19:50:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Until either of you posts without blushing, I have at least an opportunity :P. And it would be cute ;).<br><br>Also, 4 Water should be enough to justify the stunt with the wine cup that I'm describing now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>09-05-2010, 16:04:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hairy stole your blushing chances, Thufir ;-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>09-05-2010, 16:39:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll have to live with it :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>09-05-2010, 19:52:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I threw you a bone Thufir, the wine must have gone to my head. :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-05-2010, 08:22:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3015908#msg3015908">Quote from: Arhys on 09-05-2010, 19:52:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I threw you a bone Thufir, the wine must have gone to my head. :p<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Li sees no problem with that :P. That's why he said "gan bei", meaning "empty the glasses" &gt;:)!<br>Also, it'd be safer if the wine goes to your head while in our company than while you are alone ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-05-2010, 08:46:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				They still say that today in Korea, trust me I was experienced at it. Ah, the good ole days.&nbsp; &nbsp;And it is actually quite funny because it means "Bottoms up!". :p&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-05-2010, 09:03:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't know about Korea, took it from Internet and that was the translation ;).<br>Also, they same the same thing in Russia, around here and in Germany. "Drink to the bottom" is a common phrase everywhere when you want to get drunk, it seems ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-05-2010, 09:14:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not giving Wei an easy time, I know. But then, Li doesn't know Arhys is behind her :P!<br><br>Of course, if anyone wishes to accept a challenge, just prove me wrong and have a fight, but it's against the code of Li's family for me &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>12-05-2010, 16:21:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				heh :)&nbsp; &nbsp;Wei gets what she deserves, and that's the only way she would have it.&nbsp; I should have had her blow Li a kiss :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-05-2010, 23:35:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3026008#msg3026008">Quote from: Arhys on 12-05-2010, 16:21:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">heh :)&nbsp; &nbsp;Wei gets what she deserves, and that's the only way she would have it.&nbsp; I should have had her blow Li<del> a kiss </del>:p<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Fixed your typo :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>13-05-2010, 09:20:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*snickers*&nbsp; &nbsp;Oh Thufir, as sharp as her tongue is, are you sure that is wise?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-05-2010, 10:07:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No problem, her tongue would be too busy :P. Now, afterwards, it might get to be a problem 8-)!<br>Anyway, Li is not the kind to let this stop him from what he <del>believes to be right,</del> wants to do, though, so the question is whether he wants to do her &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>13-05-2010, 11:17:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*grins*&nbsp; Pig. ;p<br><br>At the rate they're drinking, and if Brother Wu tells enough tales of erotic inspiration, she might be persuaded to blunt her tongue and then Li could sheath his sword...&nbsp; hahah, ok, it's *too* easy to fill the ooc with smut.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-05-2010, 14:29:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I favour a long knife, shorter, but thicker &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>14-05-2010, 18:18:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I apologize for the crude nature of Wu's tale.&nbsp; I'm rewriting the tale that spawned that poem (which is my poor attempt to match the style of the Journey to the West).&nbsp; H2 no doubt recognizes elements of this little saga!&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-05-2010, 18:28:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep, I think I may have seen it before :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>14-05-2010, 18:29:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What can I say?&nbsp; I plagarize myself...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-05-2010, 22:16:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3033737#msg3033737">Quote from: MadPanda on 14-05-2010, 18:29:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What can I say?&nbsp; I plagarize myself...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's the best way. At least, you know that you are not going to be sued ;)!<br>And if you are, you know you've got far greater problems ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>14-05-2010, 22:18:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It could be worse.&nbsp; I could be doing that one chapter in Three Kingdoms that reads basically like a who's who list of all the people killed by Lu Bu in one battle.<br><br>If I ever run SWSE, there's probably going to be a Mandaloran out there with a couple of long plumes on his helmet...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 01:24:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If I can ever be convinced to play SWSE, I'd want that helm ;).<br><br>Also, I see that we are working on the same assumptions here ;D.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">"If it were not so dishonest and unfair to a complete stranger, I would be tempted to send her on her way none the wiser, so she may distract those coming after us."<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Although I guess we have different reasons for not letting her go in the direction they are coming from :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 08:55:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Although I guess we have different reasons for not letting her go in the direction they are coming from :P.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Since Jiao Jie doesn't suffer from heavily fluctuating masses of testosterone, that would seem only logical&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 12:13:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3036384#msg3036384">Quote from: Imogen on 15-05-2010, 08:55:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Since Jiao Jie doesn't suffer from heavily fluctuating masses of testosterone, that would seem only logical&nbsp; &gt;:)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Actually, that's a secondary reason, as far as Li is concerned :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 12:41:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of course, sweetie, of course *pats shoulder* ;-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 13:37:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Better think about the "what if we had shaken off the pursuers" scenario. If we let Wei go back to them, even if they make a fatal mistake, they might get interested in the people that helped her escape. For that matter, OOC, we don't know who killed the third son of the bandit chief. Maybe it was Jiao Jie's dagger ;).<br>Anyway two women that look similar, one with company, the other without, don't you think this would leave a trail?<br><br>As I said, the ethics and her beauty are secondary reasons, even if Li would consider them both :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 13:43:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am just joking around, hun. We can discuss the tactics and whatnot IC sometime :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-05-2010, 15:13:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I supposed you are, since you didn't strike me as the condescending type before ;). But I still preferred to make it clear OOC, because Li could never initiate a discussion IC. <br>I have trouble seeing him not taking the right and morale path, even if he would consider Wei a complication at first :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>16-05-2010, 19:40:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				MadPanda, that was a veritable *pounce* if I ever saw one. :p&nbsp; &nbsp;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>16-05-2010, 19:46:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Which part?&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>16-05-2010, 19:54:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Barely 30 minutes had passed, even if you are plagiarizing yourself I still was impressed to *snap* see part two of the story there.&nbsp; Very nice. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>16-05-2010, 19:56:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It helps that all I really had to do was copy and paste, with selective editing...<br><br>Now I need to go light some incense to the memory of the venerable Luo Guanzhong and hope that he won't be too annoyed with my scribbling.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>17-05-2010, 17:18:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And in other news, I just finished watching both halves of Red Cliff this weekend.<br>In a word?<br><br><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="bbc_size"><span class="bbc_u"><em>WOW</em></span></span>.<br><br>I can hardly imagine how, exactly, this could successfully be cut down from five hours (in two parts) to a single two hour film (which is what they did for the US domestic release) and still have a workable story.&nbsp; That's like cutting the extended Lord of the Rings trilogy down to four hours of film!&nbsp; &nbsp;:P<br><br>Great film.&nbsp; Go see...and get the international release if you can.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-05-2010, 19:21:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I believe the cut down version is somewhere around the 2 1/2 to 3 hour mark. I went to see it at the cinema, and then got the two film version on DVD. I'd much prefered to have seen that big screen as well :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>17-05-2010, 20:26:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I keep hearing two hours, but you may be right...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-05-2010, 01:34:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Are we going to be placing bets between ghosts and assassins? Or maybe they are both :P?<br><br>Ghost-ninja attack.<br>The GM reminding us<br>not to slow the game.<br><br>Well, not sure a haiku is appropriate here, but it's the best I could do at this hour, while preparing to sleep before a job interview ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-05-2010, 22:28:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Which one was the guy they are talking to? The guard, the worn traveller, or the man with the Guan Dao?<br><br>Yes, I'm betting on the second one, but I'd still like to know ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:00:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There were 3 men that you had pegged as militant types .. wu xia, soldiers, caravan guards, or something that requires the use of weapons. This one is the youngest and most travel worn looking of the three. He was also the most nervous.<br><br>The trio who just arrived might be why :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:08:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, HH, I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with them :P.<br><br>Also, for Imogen, Li will look at your PC approvingly because of the manoeuvre. I'll include that in my next post, though ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:15:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				-wipes brow- Thanks hun.&nbsp; I'm still majorly confused about the setting and the general feelings towards women, especially the independent ones with money- So, hoping to swerve between outspoken and polite, confident and humble. And all that while looking good...&nbsp; A girl's gotta look her best when Panda's reciting wicked stories!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:16:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wu hasn't even gotten to the juicy stuff yet...&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:19:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				They just keep adding to their crimes, don't they? Fighting three against one, hampering the one who supplies the adventurers with full cups, and now interrupting the story? -grumbles and starts gathering ropes, and looking for the rafters-
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-05-2010, 00:42:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3071154#msg3071154">Quote from: Imogen on 25-05-2010, 00:15:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-wipes brow- Thanks hun.&nbsp; I'm still majorly confused about the setting and the general feelings towards women, especially the independent ones with money-<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>In this setting, independent woman with money - you marry these ones :P!<br>Now, independent woman with a sword - if you are ready to face the sword, you can try it. If you survive, you get a cookie &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 00:28:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If no one has anything more to post in the inn, we'll go to initiative.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 07:56:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have posted last. I get it they don't start behaving like civilised people, if we are talking about initiative ;)?<br><br>Roll sent, Li's initiative is 8 ;). (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15359)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 10:02:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What do you think ?&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 10:09:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think I should write on their common tomb "traveller, beware of acting like a barbarian, for this is what brought us here" :P.<br>Li wouldn't think of it, not yet. However, they are getting on his nerves, too ;)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 10:16:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Heh :)&nbsp; Reviewing Wei's moves and the rules as I type.<br><br>Initiative=4<br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15360 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15360)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 16:02:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Inits roll for Jiao-Jie<br><br>Result: 5, 9, = 4 + 3 water = 7 <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 17:16:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: yYd for Water...Initiative<br>Result: 90, <br>Total: 90<br><br>Thats (y9,Y10) + Water of 3 equals 4.&nbsp; Slowpoke Rodriguez, that's me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 18:37:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm with you MadPanda, it's either the storytelling or the..nah, never the wine, never the wine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 19:11:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3095482#msg3095482">Quote from: MadPanda on 31-05-2010, 17:16:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thats (y9,Y10) + Water of 3 equals 4.&nbsp; Slowpoke Rodriguez, that's me.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>0 is 0, not 10 though.<br><br>A yY roll of 0 and 9 means a difference of 9, not 1, thus you're just a tad faster than you figured ;)<br><br>I make it 12.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 19:15:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Speedy Gonzalez, then, and I shall have to think of an appropriate measure of punishment for these ruffians who are preventing me from a proper storytelling about the Beautiful Monkey Princess and what she did to the Benevolent Goddess.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 19:46:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sit on them and finish the story?&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 19:47:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				After an appropriately severe beating, yes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 19:48:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that kinda goes without saying, doesn't it? :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 20:00:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it does.&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 21:25:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3095935#msg3095935">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-05-2010, 19:46:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sit on them and finish the story?&nbsp; ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I approve the idea, and so would Li.<br><br>Or MP could just use them as props :P. You could show us the story ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 21:29:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nah, given Wei's initiative compared to the rest, she...just...might...be...able...to...sit ...&nbsp; *gasp*.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 21:32:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, it doesn't matter so much who strikes first, but who strikes last &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-05-2010, 21:34:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bad guys, with the aid of a decent roll, are on a 10.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-06-2010, 10:44:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wu is still ahead of them ;).<br>The rest of them, though, act later. Works for me, Li would give them the first move :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:05:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I believe our humble storyteller is first up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:05:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for the disappearance, folks.&nbsp; Been wanting to get around to this story...I'll try and make a huge catch-up post since we arrived at Inn #2.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:16:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh?&nbsp; That's unexpected.<br>Will consult my hardcopy when I get home and come up with something appropriately <em>wuxia</em> that shall involve chopsticks and a teacup.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:19:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3105031#msg3105031">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 02-06-2010, 22:05:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry for the disappearance, folks.&nbsp; Been wanting to get around to this story...I'll try and make a huge catch-up post since we arrived at Inn #2.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No problem. Once you're caught up on what's happening we'll need an initiative roll from you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:23:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Working on catch up post right now.<br><br>And remind me what Initiative is, again?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:25:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				yinYang die plus your Water attribute
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:29:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yy + Water...okay.&nbsp; Making the roll now...hang on, looks like I need to get out my d10s.<br><br>BTW, if ever, at any time, Hairy, you want proof of my rolls, I can take a picture with my camera, upload it, and send it to you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:47:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm playing on the honour system :)<br><br>You are all noble wu xia, after all :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 22:56:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I play on the dice bot of E instead. Li's a gambler, after all.<br><br>Well, most xia are gamblers, drunkards and so on, but that's beside the point ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 23:00:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, funny story while I look for my d10s.&nbsp; When you said roll initiative, I took out 2 of my d6s from the little jar I use to roll dice, and rolled the other two...and they came up dual 6s.<br><br>Unfortunately, that's when I re-read the rules, and found out I was supposed to use d10s.&nbsp; &gt;_&lt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 23:44:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I guess we'd need your Initiative roll, too, RT ;).<br>Also, I pretty much suspect that you might have shaken them at least a bit. After all, fangshi are scary to normal people, and near a ghost region, they are doubly so ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>02-06-2010, 23:56:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've got my d10s now, so I'm getting them ready...unfortunately, I have to be leaving <em>now</em> for a meeting.&nbsp; &gt;_&lt;<br><br>I'll roll when I get back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>03-06-2010, 15:10:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just in case it isn't clear...Wu's bit about the Squirrel Technique and the floorboard is NOT an attack.&nbsp; It's a distraction.<br>And should anything change due to Reiji's post, I'll edit.<br><br>(Squirrel Technique?&nbsp; Go for the nuts!)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-06-2010, 21:33:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm going to wait on our final initiative roll before posting for our bad guys, in case they have to wait a little longer.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>04-06-2010, 00:19:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just curious, what will the lone gentleman that was their target be doing? :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-06-2010, 02:56:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You'll find out shortly :) He's on 7.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-06-2010, 21:05:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, I'm going to go on with things, and our Fang Shi can join in as and when. If he ends up with a higher initiative than has already occured, it will simply drop down and slide into the next open spot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>07-06-2010, 21:07:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry.&nbsp; &gt;_&lt;&nbsp; YyD roll is 6-2, plus Water of 3 means Inititative of 7.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-06-2010, 21:08:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thats cool then, it won't interupt the flow any.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>07-06-2010, 21:18:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I believe Li is up next, followed by Jiao Jie and our Fang Shi, as well as the boy at the heart of all of this.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-06-2010, 08:46:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li acted, hope you don't mind the flowery names ;).<br><br>Sending you my roll (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15579) right now. I got a 7 for a final result of 13, and the Yang die is higher :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-06-2010, 22:19:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wood plus Hand to Hand for style identification!<br><br>Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: yYdie +5<br>Result: 20, <br>Total: 20<br><br>that's 8+5 is <strong>13</strong>, Yang dominant!&nbsp; Wu-Ha.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>08-06-2010, 22:24:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I rolled. Glad to have wasted a bad roll on something like this! (knocks on wood)<br>Result: 4, 5,<br>Total: 9<br><br>= 1 +3 = 4 -ouch- or rather nevermind! ;-) Just posting for completion's sake (and hoping this is not some odd, painful failure!)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>09-06-2010, 18:58:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, the roll I sent to HH was a 7. Still a failure, though, so if it's a painful failure, we will suffer all ;D!<br><br>By the way, Imogen, it's your turn in the initiative order, as far as I can tell ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>10-06-2010, 21:20:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				yessir! -salutes- :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-06-2010, 21:36:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Looks like only MadPanda has studied this week. I'll PM the info.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-06-2010, 21:43:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(hastily tucks Lu Bu's Guide To Mooks behind his back)<br><br>Who, me?&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-06-2010, 08:36:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wu connected, Jiao Jie missed, but did Li's stab make it home ;D?<br><br>A shame, I would think people would appreciate it more. After all, base damage of 2+3 Metal + 7 Yang Dominant is bound to be noticed in some way, I think &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-06-2010, 09:32:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oops. sorry. Yes, it connected. I'll edit my last post with the results after I get home from work this evening.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-06-2010, 10:51:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No problems, I just thought it might make a difference, so we'd better know it ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-06-2010, 13:03:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Editing post now. 12 points of damage. Ouch.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>12-06-2010, 21:01:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think he's gonna feel that one in the morning...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-06-2010, 08:49:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, I'd bet he's not going to feel any pain at all :D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-06-2010, 14:25:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not unless someone helps him out, no.<br><br>Time for our Fang Shi to take centre stage.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-06-2010, 23:05:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li San Shan is going to burn incense for his spirit and shed a tear for the wasted opportunities. Does it count for "help" ;P?<br><br>I agree, it's much better for our fangshi to take centerstage now :D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>15-06-2010, 00:23:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If he's busy I'll simply drop him down the initiative and let others act. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>15-06-2010, 00:45:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I wasn't thinking about the initiative this time. I was hoping that he might have some healing abilities, though :P.<br><br>Of course, I haven't memorized your sheets, so maybe Li's victim has no hope to redeem himself ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>15-06-2010, 03:43:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My healing abilities are, sadly, currently limited to myself, I think...<br><br>And Shen is acting soon, don't worry, just trying to think up what he's doing...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 01:07:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Has he decided what he's doing yet?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 01:36:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that depends.&nbsp; What would you use for an intimidating-sounding chant?&nbsp; 'Cause it's either only that, or him going after the other mook.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 01:44:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd say Fire + Acting or Intimidation
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 01:47:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Then, considering he doesn't have Acting or Intimidation, he'll probably just go for the attack.&nbsp; Then again...intimidating them mentally might be a bit easier than doing it physically.<br><br>Also, what about Renown?&nbsp; Would his fame as an exorcist and someone who deals with 'spooky things' factor in?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 02:40:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I would say that it's at least worth trying, since that's the first exchange of the round. You've got a couple more actions... 8-)<br>It's your call, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 02:47:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You could try, but in all honesty your renowns are pretty low still.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 02:50:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah...either I'd have to roll a balance, or get two widely different numbers, there...I'm just gonna go for the attack, I think.&nbsp; Better chance of that succeeding.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-06-2010, 09:31:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually renown (IIRC) works differently. I'd have to calculate it, based on your deeds, and then roll to see if they'd ever heard of you or not.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>18-06-2010, 09:12:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As a completely unrelated note, it seems L5R 4e have been published already &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-06-2010, 09:28:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep, came out this week. I figure it will take another couple of weeks at least for it to reach my FLGS.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>19-06-2010, 14:14:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for the delay, had a busy few days. Yay for catching up on the weekend.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 09:44:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wei is feeling charitable, I'm going for a knock out and capture of some sort here, not a kill.&nbsp; :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 12:16:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can you post the results of both dice, as if the yang dice is higher, that means more damage done.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 14:13:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry, I sent you the roll, should have linked it too.&nbsp; It is here: http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15773 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=15773)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 14:29:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Its fine to just paste the numbers in here as well. I trust you all to be honest :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 14:37:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm new enough at this and wanting to be sure I am doing things correctly :) or not leaving out some awesomeness by mistake, or missing something like the wood roll you requested again. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 14:42:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Its new to all of us, so don't worry about it :)<br><br>I can see rules for pulling your punches, but nothing for striking to stun. Time for the GM to make something up and roll some dice ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 20:21:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that was another 12 damage... ;D<br>"Everybody was kung-fu fighting, and they dealt 12 damage by strike"? 8-)<br><br>Also, the round is not over - it was just the first exchange, but everybody in our group has more than 1 action in a round, somewhere between 3 and 5 I believe ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-06-2010, 21:49:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True. First exchange of blows over, back to Wu.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-06-2010, 13:46:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Brother Wu acted, but I don't know if it's my turn. Do Gan and his remaining minion get an action this exchange?<br>If not, well, it's my turn, and they are just poor, unfortunate souls ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-06-2010, 22:42:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll need to check the initative values again, I don't recall them off the top of my head. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 01:25:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				HOLY FRIJOLES!<br>Walk me through the damage calculations again, willya?&nbsp; 'Cause that guy just clocked me for something around sixty percent of my health levels in one barehanded hit...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 02:22:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Damage is metal + weapon damage + yang high dice on the yY roll. When you get a lucky roll, yes, you can do serious ammounts of damage. It was the yang high dice that changed it from a tap to a hadoken.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 02:27:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No kidding.<br>Well, I hope someone takes this clown down before he gets another hit like that in...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 02:39:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Look at the amount of damage you lot have done to him already :p<br><br>And, you have a healer upstairs.<br><br>Besides, it could be worse. I refer you to the last two panels of this strip<br><br>http://lfgcomic.com/page/3 (http://lfgcomic.com/page/3)<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 03:03:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, but I've seen dice go suddenly cold at a critical moment.&nbsp; &nbsp;:P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 09:35:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Make sacrafices to the Great God Murphy ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 14:34:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll do my bit, making Five Fires Beef tonight for dinner, perhaps that will warm our hearths and get our chi moving.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 22:45:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've got a question, all-knowing GM! Can Li put a knife to his neck, without cutting it, then remove it back to show he's not willing to kill, even if perfectly able?<br><br>Does this stand a chance to work, if we treat it as "pulling your strike", and if there is a penalty, how much?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>23-06-2010, 22:59:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The minimum you can put when you pull your strike is half your metal value. Let's say an addition +1 to the difficulty for each point below that.<br><br>So, if you have metal 3, the minium damage is 2. To reduce that to 0 damage, a further +2 on the difficulty roll.<br><br>How does that sound?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 02:30:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds like a sizeable penalty, but perfectly acceptable, if it includes the weapon bonus and "no matter whether you roll Yang dominant" &gt;:)! If necessary, make it +3, I'd still take the risk, especially given that Gan is slow.<br><br>So, does it stand a chance, and shall I roll :P?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 02:33:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, I think the penalty would only refer to your metal stat. I'm pretty sure you don't have a metal above 4, so it's a +2 at most.<br><br>With a decent dice roll (and/or use of appropriate taos) I'd say you should be ok.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 02:34:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3192828#msg3192828">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 23-06-2010, 09:35:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Make sacrafices to the Great God Murphy ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No way.&nbsp; I already sacrifice goat entrails to Glitch, Godlet of Fuckups.&nbsp; Attracting the Big M's attention is like prank-calling Azathoth.&nbsp; &nbsp;:P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 02:54:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3195722#msg3195722">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 24-06-2010, 02:33:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">No, I think the penalty would only refer to your metal stat. I'm pretty sure you don't have a metal above 4, so it's a +2 at most.<br><br>With a decent dice roll (and/or use of appropriate taos) I'd say you should be ok.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yes, my Metal is indeed 3 ;). The point was, I don't want the rest of my damage "spilling over", it can still be quite a lot, so I suggested a higher penalty if necessary.<br><br>If you say that pulling all my metal back means it's not a wound scratch, I can just roll ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 09:37:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not sure pulling the blow works like that. I'll check it over when I get home from work this evening.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 13:31:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I checked it, and it seemed widely open to interpretations ;).<br>Since the GM's interpretation is final, I'd rather know how you understand it. Sorry for delaying my post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-06-2010, 22:53:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, wording on pulling a shot is<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A character may choose how much damage to inflict, being a number of points anywhere between the maximum he may inflict and half his Metal value (rounded<br>up to the nearest whole number).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So, let's say you do metal 3 + weapon 2 damage. The minimum you can drop that down to is half your metal (rounded up) for 2 points of damage. The maximum is the full 5 points.<br><br>If you get a yang high dice on your attack roll, let's say another 5 points of damage, you can choose to do between 2 and 10 points now.<br><br>The minimum will still be 2, so to reduce that to 0, I'm thinking +2 on the target.<br><br>That sound clear enough?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-06-2010, 08:18:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Clear enough, and works for me &gt;:)!<br><br>Also, I included pictures of the stances I was describing, in case <del>the description is not enough</del> anyone is curious :P. They are relatively common, although the names I use for them aren't, since I just made them up to fit the tone ;D!<br><br>On the rules side, Li's attack is 10, for a total of 3 Metal+3 Daoshu+4 yYd. I guess it's enough even with the +2 penalty. Gan was already struck once on a roll of 8, and Li took notice he's not the fastest guy in town ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-06-2010, 23:47:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Does madame Shu wear a veil, as Li had suggested?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-07-2010, 00:57:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes. Sorry, I forget to put that in.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-07-2010, 01:49:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No problem, I half-guessed it, since nobody gasped at her looking like Arhys' PC, but I wanted to be sure ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-07-2010, 00:42:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If no one wants to jump in with anything, I'll post to move us along tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-07-2010, 07:57:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd be glad to, but the last post in the IC thread is mine already ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>04-07-2010, 10:37:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll post soon, but no need to wait for me. Got a bit distracted by the world cup soccer ;-) Sorry guys!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-07-2010, 18:43:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Medic!&nbsp; Medic!<br><br>UPDATE: and a return of the 'Wu can't carry a tune in a bucket' running gag.&nbsp; Let us hope nobody shows him the lyrics for Rocket Man.&nbsp; Or worse, that Leonard Nimoy song about a certain hobbit...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>05-07-2010, 23:18:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm back from out of town.&nbsp; I had expected to post but yes... football. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2010, 10:28:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3240365#msg3240365">Quote from: Imogen on 04-07-2010, 10:37:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll post soon, but no need to wait for me. Got a bit distracted by the world cup soccer ;-) Sorry guys!!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3246609#msg3246609">Quote from: Arhys on 05-07-2010, 23:18:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm back from out of town.&nbsp; I had expected to post but yes... football.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Stupid football ruined my karaoke night yesterday!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 09:13:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry about the mix-up with the veil, there were too many football games between the ooc reference and me writing ;)&nbsp; I'll post again today and as soon as possible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 10:29:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The football might even require us to shorten today's session. I think it shows lack of manners on their part to stage the finals so early in the night that it becomes a problem for people's hobbies :P!<br><br>Also, I really need to register in Twitter now &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 10:35:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Apologies once again for the quiet here!! Sorry, sorry.... In my defense: I'd never thought the Netherlands would have come this far!! And well, other than that, it's been super summer weather here lately! I'll post today!<br><br>Hup Holland Hup!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 11:26:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*grins at Imogen*&nbsp; Hup Holland Hup!&nbsp; Germany today though, I expect them to play the way they should have played against Spain.<br><br>I have two extremely neglected twitters, what are you planning on using it for Thufir?&nbsp; Following journalists gets addictive, especially when they start in on each other.&nbsp; Great entertainment :)<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 12:46:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't worry, I'm going to be away for the weekend anyway. Off to endure some quality time with the family&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 21:16:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3271351#msg3271351">Quote from: Arhys on 10-07-2010, 11:26:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I have two extremely neglected twitters, what are you planning on using it for Thufir?&nbsp; Following journalists gets addictive, especially when they start in on each other.&nbsp; Great entertainment :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Actually, that's why :P! (http://northstandchat.com/showthread.php?t=178914)<br>Also, I admit I'm mildly curious how she would manage it if Holland indeed wins, with over 100 thousand followers ;D.<br>But somehow, I doubt we will learn that answer.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 21:18:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hahahaha :p&nbsp; I admire your restraint in not posting that earlier, you must have known I would ask. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-07-2010, 22:25:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of course I knew it :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-07-2010, 00:03:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huh?&nbsp; What?&nbsp; World Cup?&nbsp; Is that going on already?<br><br>&nbsp;;D<br><br>Man.&nbsp; Feels like I just got done with ignoring the Olympics, the Superbowl, the World Series...and now this!&nbsp; It never ends!<br><br>(says the guy who watches professional bull-riding so he can root for the bulls)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>11-07-2010, 00:08:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You missed Wimbledon and can continue to miss the Tour de France ;-) I'm trying to miss the Tour but over here, that takes a lot of determination and selective sight!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-07-2010, 00:11:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Dangit!&nbsp; And here I am, busy with not watching soap operas all the time as it is.&nbsp; Let me go add those to the list...&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 08:58:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3272457#msg3272457">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 10-07-2010, 21:16:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Actually, that's why :P! (http://northstandchat.com/showthread.php?t=178914)<br>Also, I admit I'm mildly curious how she would manage it if Holland indeed wins, with over 100 thousand followers ;D.<br><strong>But somehow, I doubt we will learn that answer.</strong><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Spain wins, everything went as predicted &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 09:07:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You and that stupid octopus :p&nbsp; I don't mind Spain winning, I just really wish the game had been better and cleaner.&nbsp; It will be weird to get back into a normal routine now though, football has pretty much occupied my life for the past weeks.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 09:07:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At least that atrocious game saved the jaw of one Dutch, undoubtedly to the disappointment of her followers :-P<br><br>On the upside... Time for rp again, WOOT!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 09:09:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You and that stupid octopus :p&nbsp; I don't mind Spain winning, I just really wish the game had been better and cleaner.&nbsp; It will be weird to get back into a normal routine now though, football has pretty much occupied my life for the past weeks.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You're a girl after my own heart, lady ;-)<br><br>-shares a plate of calamari-
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 09:25:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3280030#msg3280030">Quote from: Imogen on 12-07-2010, 09:09:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-shares a plate of calamari-<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Can I have some :P?<br>And yeah, time to play again, hopefully &gt;:)!<br><br>Also, count me as disappointed I didn't see the Dutch losing her jaw over the game ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 09:45:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				-sets the plate with fried octopus in the middle and gestures invitingly-<br><br>Dig in!! :-D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 10:09:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				/me takes some fried octopus :P.<br>I wonder why did you pick frying it? They Germans are sharing a lot of receipts for cooking octopi on the Net right now, aren't they?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 20:42:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I wasn't sure whether or not to include a dice roll for Jiao-Jie's watching of Gan. Please let me know if i got to toss one in! :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 20:54:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What would you be trying to check?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>12-07-2010, 20:56:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If there's any reaction to her implication regarding the very lucky coincidence of Gan's band happening to be nearby when one entire village was wiped out.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 00:09:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Emapthy or Investigation I think then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 01:57:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At 2010-07-12 18:54:59, Li rolled +1, so he got nothing. (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=16559)<br>Ah well, I guess Imogen might have more luck :P. Frankly, I wasn't counting on it anyway.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 09:46:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll Result: Imogen rolled: 2d10<br>Comment: Yin - Yang empathy check Gan<br>Result: 5, 10,<br>Total: 15<br><br>10-5 = 5 + 1 (empathy) = 6&nbsp; + (wood = 3 / fire = 4) = ? (not sure if I should one, or both, or none)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 13:24:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Empathy is Earth. So its yD (5-0=5) + Empathy (1) + Earth (?)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 13:27:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That would make for&nbsp; 5 + 1 emp + 2 earth = 8 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-07-2010, 21:38:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You don't think any lies are being told .. not so far at least.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>14-07-2010, 18:10:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, so...<br><br>I just finished the first volume of Outlaws of the Marsh (three to go!) and there are two things that jump out of this novel.&nbsp; First, the casual misogyny...&nbsp; And second, the relaxed attitude to actual, y'know, criminal actions.&nbsp; As in, "murder is no big deal, you didn't mean it, and besides you're my kind of stand-up guy.&nbsp; Here's my cousin in Big City.&nbsp; Go ask him for a job while I make things right with the authorities.&nbsp; Good luck, amigo."<br><br>The heroes and the villains aren't so separate, and the goodness of an action seems to depend on who's doing it.&nbsp; I suspect that this is supposed to be linked to the essential wrongness of the current regime, which has a selfish thug at the top (Gao Qiu) and is thus suspect, but a lot of the legalities being ignored are pretty normal...<br><br>(Case in point.&nbsp; One character, who is praised for his virtue and generosity, ends up murdering his girlfriend when she tries to blackmail him over a gift he got from some local bandits because he did them a good deed...a gift he refused.&nbsp; Incidental to this, he'd been ignoring her so she was cheating on him, so it wasn't anything like a happy relationship.&nbsp; And he's still praised for being a pillar of virtue after coldbloodedly killing the girl...)<br><br>Anyway, this is where Wu gets his somewhat relaxed attitude toward these bandits.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-07-2010, 22:59:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, there is a reason Li is most concerned their lack of manners will get them in the grave at the end :P. Actually, the "relaxed" attitude towards criminals was rather common in Europe as well, especially in similar times.<br><br>Besides, many influential people in Jianghu are criminals, so being vocally opposed to all criminals is likely to end with the character simply being murdered ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>15-07-2010, 00:16:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True, true...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-07-2010, 19:24:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg2988720#msg2988720">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 01-05-2010, 00:31:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The first guy has, you detect, faint traces of barbarian blood. His clothing is well worn, but his weapon is of good quality. He might be a mercenary, or caravan guard.<br><br>The second is scruffier, looking like he has been either long or hard on the road. The way he is sitting he seems to be favouring his left side .. perhaps <strong>a wound beneath his clothes?</strong><br><br>The third is better dressed, his clothing well cut, and a guan dao sits proped beside him, along with a travelling pack. You would peg him as a wu xia.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Since that was an Yin-Yang Balance, I don't doubt it's true ;). So, what kind of wound do we see when Chen disrobes?<br>It seems to be missing from the last post :D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>16-07-2010, 22:32:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He hadn't finished disrobing yet&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>16-07-2010, 23:16:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is he hot? :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>16-07-2010, 23:34:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*laughs*&nbsp; I had meant to post "Tease! :P" and got distracted...came back and thought nah, I won't smut up the ooc.&nbsp; Should have known...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>16-07-2010, 23:41:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3305744#msg3305744">Quote from: Arhys on 16-07-2010, 23:34:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*laughs*&nbsp; I had meant to post "Tease! :P" and got distracted...came back and thought nah, I won't smut up the ooc.&nbsp; Should have known...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>ROFL!! great minds ... We'll blame the Hairy one tho, for teasing ;-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 00:32:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3305776#msg3305776">Quote from: Imogen on 16-07-2010, 23:41:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">ROFL!! great minds ... We'll blame the Hairy one tho, for teasing ;-)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Because the GM is always to blame for everything, right :P?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 00:39:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, you go ahead and blame Hairy for this one.&nbsp; I'll just...go stand over here behind this nice, thick, sturdy blast shield...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 01:21:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3306049#msg3306049">Quote from: MadPanda on 17-07-2010, 00:39:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, you go ahead and blame Hairy for this one.&nbsp; I'll just...go stand over here behind this nice, thick, sturdy blast shield...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Wait for me! There is room for two, right ;D?<br><br>And now, let's see if I managed to shame Gan ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 01:40:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hairy is well known for teasing, apparently&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 21:19:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Guys, I'll be away from a computer for a couple weeks, the details are over in my A&amp;A thread. Hairy has full rights to roleplay my character until I'm back, though, so keep the game going :P!<br>I think it's pretty obvious that in the current scene Li is trying to come up with a solution where Gan doesn't feel ripped off when he has to set Chen free ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 21:20:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Travel safely, O Mentat!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 22:43:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll do my best, O Scholar &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-07-2010, 23:01:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have fun.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>26-07-2010, 18:48:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The renown test is rolling a d100 (or 2 d10s) against a target number of 05. <br><br>I know, it's a pretty small chance, but the guy isn't <em>that</em> famous. Anyone who would fit the warrior character type can increase that to a 10% chance, since they're slightly more likely to have heard tales of this person. I'll also allow a 10% chance for anyone who has an interest in weapons / weaponsmithing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>26-07-2010, 19:12:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: renown<br>Result: 13, <br>Total: 13<br><br>"Nevah hoid of 'im.&nbsp; Now, where's those thumbies..."
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>26-07-2010, 19:15:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll Result: Imogen rolled: 2d10<br>Comment: renown<br>Result: 4, 3,<br>Total: 7<br><br>"What was the name again?"
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>26-07-2010, 19:24:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				4 and 3 would be a 43, not a 7 :)<br><br>Still a no though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 01:48:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3359714#msg3359714">Quote from: MadPanda on 26-07-2010, 19:12:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 1d100<br>Comment: renown<br>Result: 13, <br>Total: 13<br><br>"Nevah hoid of 'im.&nbsp; Now, where's those thumbies..."<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I thought you are playing a swordsman? That's as close to a warrior as we get in this setting, and it makes it a success &gt;:)!<br><br>I sent my roll, too, but it was a failure ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 01:51:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; Perhaps I misread something.&nbsp; Yes, Wu is a swordsman (after a fashion).&nbsp; But 13 is still greater than 10...which, unless I am sadly mistaken, means that I have not heard of this fellow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 02:10:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, I'm sorry, that's my mistake here. I read it "increasing your chance by 10%", not "up to 10%".<br>Well, if they choose to get drunk, Li will make sure to invite them to tell us about their master's achievements :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 02:22:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, given that the alternative is six zillion rounds of stuff like:<br><br>"Not the Flea on a Drum?&nbsp; Why didn't you say so?&nbsp; I almost committed a grave offense against you, brother!&nbsp; I've often heard of your virtues and wanted to come pay my respects but never got the opportunity!&nbsp; And here I had eyes but didn't see Mount Nanshan!&nbsp; Come, let us drink..."<br><br>Parts of Outlaws of the Marsh are a wee bit predictable...&nbsp; ::)&nbsp; And it came to pass that the narrator ended a vignette with the words 'no more need be said of that'.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 02:25:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				;D You have an interesting take on the classics, but I definitely agree with this observation!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 02:42:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can you guess what I'm reading these days?<br><br>(almost done with volume two of Outlaws of the Marsh, starting volume four of The Three Kingdoms, more or less on volume two of Journey to the West, and can't quite get into Dream of Red Mansions for some reason.)<br><br>The Flea on a Drum was the epithet given to the only bleeping minion I ever made contact with whenever I played Koei's Bandit Kings of Ancient China (based on...drumroll, please...Outlaws of the Marsh).&nbsp; And he was bloody useless.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 03:55:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3374193#msg3374193">Quote from: MadPanda on 29-07-2010, 02:42:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Can you guess what I'm reading these days?<br><br>(almost done with volume two of Outlaws of the Marsh, starting volume four of The Three Kingdoms, more or less on volume two of Journey to the West, and can't quite get into Dream of Red Mansions for some reason.)<br><br>The Flea on a Drum was the epithet given to the only bleeping minion I ever made contact with whenever I played Koei's Bandit Kings of Ancient China (based on...drumroll, please...Outlaws of the Marsh).&nbsp; And he was bloody useless.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I could have never guessed your reading habits, no way &gt;:)!<br><br>Personally, I'm mixing up some Icelandic sagas with Talislanta, Sabatini, Gu Long, Arturo-Perez Reverte, Wodehouse and actual historical books, and they all complement each other nicely :P! Of course, maybe it's just me who sees similarities.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 04:26:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Talislanta! The Rasputin of RPGs!<br><br>Inspired by (among other things) Jack Vance's Dying Earth stories.&nbsp; And a fun read all 'round.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 04:55:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3374934#msg3374934">Quote from: MadPanda on 29-07-2010, 04:26:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Talislanta! The Rasputin of RPGs!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Do you mean that in a good way, or in a bad way &gt;:)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 04:58:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I mean it in the most respectful possible way.&nbsp; I picked up a copy of the old 2e ages and ages ago, and was recently delighted to learn that all the books are available for free download!&nbsp; So I finally got my mitts on the 4th and 5th edition.&nbsp; I think I prefer the 4th, because they made a teensy error with the 5th (that is, they retained references to sidebars that were not for some reason included...)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 05:09:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3375148#msg3375148">Quote from: MadPanda on 29-07-2010, 04:58:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I mean it in the most respectful possible way.&nbsp; I picked up a copy of the old 2e ages and ages ago, and was recently delighted to learn that all the books are available for free download!&nbsp; So I finally got my mitts on the 4th and 5th edition.&nbsp; I think I prefer the 4th, because they made a teensy error with the 5th (that is, they retained references to sidebars that were not for some reason included...)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's when I began paying more attention to the setting. Curiously, I also noticed I like the system, too, maybe with some add-ons for social conflicts.<br><br>Still haven't read the 5th edition thoroughly, do you have page numbers for those references?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 05:15:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There are a lot of them!&nbsp; But I'll go dig up a few examples for you when I'm on the computer that has all those lovely files...<br><br>Mostly it's "See Sidebar" when there are no sidebars.&nbsp; They're there in the 4th Edition.&nbsp; Just not the 5th.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 05:40:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you, that would be really kind of you, and really useful for my incoming Talislanta campaign!<br><br>On the other hand, if they are there in 4th edition, and we have ready access to both, we could cross-reference, right? So far, I think both 4th and 5th editions have their strong points rules-wise, with more flexible and faster character creation, so I'm leery of discarding one of them outright, and actually plan to use a mix of both.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 05:45:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, definitely!&nbsp; They haven't&nbsp; changed the setting much, so if you have both and like the system for 5th, use that and then use the 4th as reference for any of those pesky sidebars.&nbsp; I'm trying to find one now...<br><br>Okay, example--and I was remembering incorrectly. The sidebars have titles: they aren't generic 'see sidebar' comments.<br><br>Players' Guide (5th Edition) p164<br>"Gnomekin are a warm and friendly folk, possessedof an almost childlike innocence. Th eir families are close-knit, and often quite large. It is not uncommon for a Gnomekin couple to have a dozen or more off spring (see All in the Family). Gnomekin subsist on mushrooms, tubers, roots, and lichen; many tasty dishes are made from these simple ingredients. A sweet and nutritious syrup, made from the sap of certain roots that extend far below the earth, is a favorite drink of the young. Adult Gnomekin prefer mushroom ale."<br><br>Compare to the text on p124 of the 4th Edition, where the sidebar may be found.&nbsp; Sadly, as near as I can tell, this is nowhere in 5th Edition, either in the Players' or GM's guide.<br><br>ALL IN THE FAMILY<br>“The Gnomekin are well known for their devotion to family and love of children. In combination, these two qualities result in family groups of incredibly large size. It is not uncommon for a Gnomekin child to have as many as two dozen siblings, forty aunts and uncles (their parents’ siblings), and over five hundred first cousins (their parents’ siblings’ siblings). Throw in<br>parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, and a veritable army of second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh cousins, and a Gnomekin’s extended family may easily number into the thousands.<br><br>Marriage is yet another aspect of Gnomekin culture that contributes to the growth of the family. For when Gnomekin of different families marry, each of the groups adopts the entire other clan as part of its family. In fact, it is said that a<br>Gnomekin who chances to meet another of his or her people anywhere in Talislanta can usually be assured the two of them are related in one manner or another, whether through blood ties or marriage. So it is not necessarily an exaggeration<br>when Gnomekin say that they are all part of one big family.”
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 12:38:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks, that will help. But since all the books are now free, there is no reason not to have 4th and 5th edition both, right :D?<br>Besides, we managed to avoid the problems with missing sidebars in the first session. Now my players just wandered in an inter-dimensional portal, so it's not likely to be a problem until they need new Talislantan characters. They will start with Tal's PCs, although the portal took them to Creation ;D.<br>Of course, there are other portals, too, but they seem eager to explore both settings for now, and I'm really curious how Tal's magic is going to combine with Essence-based Techniques &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 18:50:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Exactly!<br>Personally, I think I prefer 4e a bit, but that's because the whole Template system for generation is kind of fun.&nbsp; I've experimented with the Path system as well, and it seems to generate better characters (stronger, more skilled, et cetera)...but I may be doing something wrong.<br><br>I'm not sure which character was a more interesting build: the Batrean Courtesan, or the Rajan tomboy turned Arimite Knife-fighter.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-07-2010, 21:57:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just to give you folks a head's up, since you might be interested, I'm toying with the idea of running the City of Lies (an L5R campaign) .. or having another try at running it anyway. Previously I ran part of the Night of a Thousand Screams as an intro to the campaign, but it never finished up.<br><br>Ok, so it's Samurai as opposed to Wu xia, but still :)<br><br>Haven't decided if I'll use the new 4th ed L5R books, or whip up a rules light version for the system impaired out there ;)<br><br>This is the last time I tried it<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=12404.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=12404.0)<br><br>so you can get a bit of a feel for the setting.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-07-2010, 08:47:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds interesting, HH, but just like the Dresden game, I'm not quite sure if I would have the time to post regularly.<br>In case I do, count me in the "using the original system" camp, you got me curious last time ;).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3378232#msg3378232">Quote from: MadPanda on 29-07-2010, 18:50:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Exactly!<br>Personally, I think I prefer 4e a bit, but that's because the whole Template system for generation is kind of fun.&nbsp; I've experimented with the Path system as well, and it seems to generate better characters (stronger, more skilled, et cetera)...but I may be doing something wrong.<br><br>I'm not sure which character was a more interesting build: the Batrean Courtesan, or the Rajan tomboy turned Arimite Knife-fighter.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I tend to allow Templates for those who don't want to spend time creating a character. If anyone wants to read the paths, they can use them instead :P.<br>Most people still went for templates for their first character, they know I would allow changing the character mid-game when they learn the system better.<br><br>And I think we need more information on these two, "interesting" for how long and for what purposes &gt;:)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>30-07-2010, 15:29:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm way behind on this, sorry everyone and welcome back Thufir!&nbsp; I have a small move this weekend and have been sick, have really fallen behind but will be catching up sooner rather than later I hope.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-07-2010, 21:03:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not sure I have the time either, but that never stops me ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 01:00:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of course it doesn't have to stop you, if you are running it, you are setting the pace.<br>It's different for players.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3384309#msg3384309">Quote from: Arhys on 30-07-2010, 15:29:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm way behind on this, sorry everyone and welcome back Thufir!&nbsp; I have a small move this weekend and have been sick, have really fallen behind but will be catching up sooner rather than later I hope.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Hope you get better, Arhys!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 01:06:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3384309#msg3384309">Quote from: Arhys on 30-07-2010, 15:29:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm way behind on this, sorry everyone and welcome back Thufir!&nbsp; I have a small move this weekend and have been sick, have really fallen behind but will be catching up sooner rather than later I hope.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>-hug- Hope you will be all better soon!! <br><br>'sides... You can't leave me alone with these boys!! -shifty eyes- I'm scared!!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 01:09:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What?&nbsp; This unworthy one is merely reciting an entertaining story or two...&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 01:10:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3386810#msg3386810">Quote from: Imogen on 31-07-2010, 01:06:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-hug- Hope you will be all better soon!! <br><br>'sides... You can't leave me alone with these boys!! -shifty eyes- I'm scared!!!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>And you have good reason! I can tell by the look in our eyes that the boys are thinking about naughty things :P!<br>Stick together, girls, or else, I <del>don't</del> know what might happen &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 02:32:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3386789#msg3386789">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 31-07-2010, 01:00:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Of course it doesn't have to stop you, if you are running it, you are setting the pace.<br>It's different for players.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nah, more a comment that I have a bad habit of taking on too many games :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 03:21:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3387165#msg3387165">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-07-2010, 02:32:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Nah, more a comment that I have a bad habit of taking on too many games :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, many games on E. just wither and die. My guess was that you just like having more opportunities for when a game ends ;).<br>In a way, I'm using the same principle when running games &gt;:).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 03:29:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				alas, yes...the natural fate of a play by post...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 08:14:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<br>[/quote]<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3386810#msg3386810">Quote from: Imogen on 31-07-2010, 01:06:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">-hug- Hope you will be all better soon!! <br><br>'sides... You can't leave me alone with these boys!! -shifty eyes- I'm scared!!!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Thanks :)&nbsp; I'm doing better today, will be back to normal shortly I think, then have to claw my way back to caught up!<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3386829#msg3386829">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 31-07-2010, 01:10:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And you have good reason! I can tell by the look in our eyes that the boys are thinking about naughty things :P!<br>Stick together, girls, or else, I <del>don't</del> know what might happen &gt;:)!<br><br>Hmm, motivating actually :p</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 10:36:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3387562#msg3387562">Quote from: MadPanda on 31-07-2010, 03:29:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">alas, yes...the natural fate of a play by post...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I strongly disagree. The natural fate of a play-by-post is to get the game finished, then to start another, with the same characters or different ones.<br>Now, some people disappear, but that's why I usually start PbP games with more players than I need &gt;:).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 12:53:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Disappearing players can be more of an issue in some games than others.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 13:03:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3389687#msg3389687">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-07-2010, 12:53:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Disappearing players can be more of an issue in some games than others.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Most of these problems can be solved by having the NPCs concentrating their attacks on this particular character, in my experience ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 13:19:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not quite what I meant. For example, the central characters in the City of Lies are Imperial Magistrates .. these are fairly important, political appointments. If a player drops out, it would be hard to bring someone in as a replacement, harder than, say, picking up a replacement fighter for a standard adventuring party type thing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 17:03:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3389708#msg3389708">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-07-2010, 13:19:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Not quite what I meant. For example, the central characters in the City of Lies are Imperial Magistrates .. these are fairly important, political appointments. If a player drops out, it would be hard to bring someone in as a replacement, harder than, say, picking up a replacement fighter for a standard adventuring party type thing.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>"Death can end almost any appointment" ;D!<br>If a player drops out, there would be a vacant place for a magistrate, I think. But I'm still unsure if I could join.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 18:13:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3389687#msg3389687">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-07-2010, 12:53:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Disappearing players can be more of an issue in some games than others.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Especially in mid-plot, when the missing person is the key piece to the present situation.&nbsp; I HATE it when that happens...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 19:34:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3390092#msg3390092">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 31-07-2010, 17:03:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">"Death can end almost any appointment" ;D!<br>If a player drops out, there would be a vacant place for a magistrate, I think. But I'm still unsure if I could join.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Realistically though, if a magistrate was killed, it would take weeks for a replacement to show up. Given the speed forum games go at, that means effectively never&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 21:07:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3390676#msg3390676">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 31-07-2010, 19:34:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Realistically though, if a magistrate was killed, it would take weeks for a replacement to show up. Given the speed forum games go at, that means effectively never&nbsp; :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Sure, but do you really mean that the new replacements have to be magistrates, too? I mean, being the bodyguard of one of the PCs would still go with the group, and has good reasons to do so :P!<br>But maybe that's just me not knowing enough about running scenarios, which I already admitted I have never done.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 22:42:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, not every player needs to be a magistrate. They can appoint yoriki (effectively police chiefs), doshin (beat cops) and yojimbo (bodyguards, usually for courtiers or shukenja) easily enough.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 22:48:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				"You can only play a Magistrate if you start the game as one, and this is the original character".<br>Well, at least that's how I'd do it :P. IMO, that would add the bonus that everyone who wants to remain a Magistrate, would be much more risk-averse, and relying more heavily on guards, as most magistrates tend to do anyway &gt;:).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>31-07-2010, 22:57:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Or maybe say from the start if you drop out, someone else can take the character over.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-08-2010, 09:51:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				IMO, it might be harder to persuade people to give up their PCs, than to have them killed off if they are no longer participating ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-08-2010, 12:25:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It might, but if the option is that I eventually lose all the magistrate players, it's something I would have to consider.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-08-2010, 16:34:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, it sounds even more fun to me, 47 ronins-style ;D!<br>"We have to finish what our superiors started! They died for it, and this way, we can discover their murderers!"
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-08-2010, 16:39:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Except that without rank to throw around, that would be a LOT more difficult :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-08-2010, 16:55:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't say they've got to succeed ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-08-2010, 01:36:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is Li using a tao there? The all seeing eye? I don't see one by that name.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-08-2010, 08:59:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, Tao of the Inner Eye is the correct name, actually :P! I just skipped mentioning the Tao by name.<br>I was also thinking of combining with a second Tao, but on second thought, I decided against it ;D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-08-2010, 20:05:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't confuse your GM when he's already running on too little sleep&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-08-2010, 00:58:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anyone who has Legends or Literature (or similar) can give me a roll here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-08-2010, 01:46:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't have any such skill, unless Calligraphy counts ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-08-2010, 01:57:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not really I'm afraid.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-08-2010, 02:36:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Comment: Wood + Literature<br>Result: 56, <br>Total: 56<br>yin 5 Yang 6<br><br>Wood 4, Literature 1<br>5 + (6-5) = <strong>6</strong>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 19:20:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				PM sent.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 19:43:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Got!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 19:43:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Curious!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 19:56:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Patience is a virue :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 19:58:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				"Not right now it isn't!" (/Rick O'Connell)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 20:01:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Mummy!! I liked that movie!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 20:04:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It had its moments, I concur.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; The second one was often entertaining, but not as much.&nbsp; The third...the only three people really enjoying themselves in that one were Jet Li, Michelle Yeoh, and Jonathan Hanna.&nbsp; While I can appreciate that Rachel Weisz didn't want to play mother to a college-aged kid, and the actress who replaced her was good enough, the loss of chemistry was painful to see.<br><br>I like to think of the third Mummy movie as Uncle Jonathan's, actually.&nbsp; HE was having a blast.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; <br><br>("Take me someplace where there are no mummies!&nbsp; Peru!&nbsp; Take me to Peru!")
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 20:06:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I thought Jonathan was hilarious throughout the series. I really liked how much fun he was having. It sparks sometimes when the actors are so obviously enjoying themelves.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 20:07:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed! And he was such an enjoyable sidekick.&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 15:41:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's see what our Fangshi will make of this &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:08:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, I'm back...lemme see what Shen can do here.<br><br>Wood 3<br>Legend 1<br>yYd = 8-4 = 4<br><br>Total of 8.<br><br>Photo of diceroll available.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:43:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome back, RT ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:45:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And a WB from me too, and great timing!!!&nbsp; ;D<br><br>I wonder though... Should we interfere before or after MP tells the tale of the Monkey Princess? -grins- Would it be very bad for karma to give trickster spirits more wicked ideas?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:52:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3431631#msg3431631">Quote from: Imogen on 07-08-2010, 20:45:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And a WB from me too, and great timing!!!&nbsp; ;D<br><br>I wonder though... Should we interfere before or after MP tells the tale of the Monkey Princess? -grins- Would it be very bad for karma to give trickster spirits more wicked ideas?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>With the Karma being a Buddhist concept and keeping in mind the timeline of Qin, your character is probably quite safe :D!<br>Well, safe from karma, I said nothing about the trickster spirit itself. But still, I don't think you should worry about what Buddhists will tell when their religion is introduced to China, which it yet isn't &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:55:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True!&nbsp; That won't happen for quite some time, yet.&nbsp; Post-Han Dynasty for it to become a serious player, IIRC, and we predate the Han.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:58:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed, the Qin Dynasty lasted from 221 to 206 BC. Mahayana Buddhism was introduced in the next Han period (206 BC-220 AD), and they weren't for a long time a force in Jianghu, which is as far as our characters are concerned.<br><br>The dominant religion at the time of our game was roughly a form of ancestor worship, focused on the shen (roughly translating to "spirits"), yin ("shadows"), the realm they were said to live in, and offering sacrifices in an attempt to contact this other world, believed to be parallel to the earthly one.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:18:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I stand corrected :-P<br><br>and I feel much safer now... I think....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:34:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You feel safe when our characters are around :P?<br>I pity your poor, poor soul &gt;:)!<br><br>Also, I didn't intend to "correct" you, but to provide some condensed info on the setting's beliefs, which are likely to become important in this scene.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-08-2010, 07:16:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hairy, I think Madame Shu is still wearing the veil to hide her face?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-08-2010, 20:44:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes. Yes, she is.<br><br>Isn't that interesting though :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-08-2010, 21:17:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ooh, special powers of the spiritual sort!&nbsp; Should have known...&nbsp; :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>11-08-2010, 08:36:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My main reason for not screaming "We want more" is that I want to give the others a chance to act first &gt;:)!<br>But I really enjoyed this story :P. For some reason, I pictured the six warriors as Blood apes, well-mannered, chivalrous Blood-apes ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>11-08-2010, 09:02:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I agree, MadPanda, these stories are wonderful, I would do this purely for the honour of pouring Brother Wu wine to keep his whistle wet.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-08-2010, 21:00:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I hate to admit how much of these are purely improvised...&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)<br><br>Six well-mannered Blood Apes is admittedly a fitting image.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>12-08-2010, 01:32:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's even better if it's improvised ;)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-08-2010, 01:24:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The message was sent to Arhys via PM, and the GM got a copy ;).<br>If your character was close enough to hear it, just say so and I'll send you a copy, too. You decide whether they were close enough or not, as Li wasn't trying to keep it secret from you - and it's likely pointless to try with the fox ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>16-08-2010, 11:22:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ha ha, I was trying to be too clever by half I guess, re: flying horses.&nbsp; I had dialogue written that I quite liked in response to Li and Wu, but Hairy posted before me so it didn't work anymore yet I still tried to salvage part of it. :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>16-08-2010, 11:32:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Jiao-Jie has retreated to more quiet space for the duration of my vacation. She'll re-emerge in approx 2-3 weeks :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-08-2010, 13:43:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have a good time and get some inspiration for your future games &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>16-08-2010, 14:10:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you, hun. And, I really hope so... If vacation is actually going to happen which suddenly doesn't seem so likely
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-08-2010, 03:37:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Why the sudden doubts, Imogen ;)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>29-08-2010, 19:26:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The escort of Madame Shu was back to Jiaodong?&nbsp; I think that is right...looking for that post now but figured I would throw it out here and bump our ooc thread up anyway. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-08-2010, 20:13:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I believe that was correct. That's the right direction at least.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-08-2010, 21:47:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for editing my last post. I've got the flu, so I just wasn't thinking clearly when I wrote it, and forgot an important part.<br>I edited immediately after I had a nap, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>30-08-2010, 21:57:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rest well Thufir :/&nbsp; Very sorry to hear, and that you have to work, so sleep well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-09-2010, 01:54:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just finished running another PbP game, and have to admit that although it was successful, it wasn't easy either &gt;:).<br>Just wanted to express my respect to HairyHeretic who is running at least two games that I know of. Playing is easy, but I doubt I could run more than one game at a time!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-09-2010, 06:50:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				H2 does a pretty good job, all things considered.&nbsp; He puts up with me, which says a lot...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-09-2010, 21:23:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The nice thing about playing on forums is that the game slows down enough that you can take your time with it, and run several, if you feel up to it. I still appreciate the thoughts though :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-09-2010, 22:45:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome back, Imogen &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>04-09-2010, 23:10:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you!&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-09-2010, 00:09:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do people want to play out more on this scene, or will we wrap up and move on?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-09-2010, 00:22:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Personally, I'm ready to wrap it. The other players might have their own plans, though.<br>Of course, I'm only speaking for myself.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>05-09-2010, 11:22:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's fine with me to wrap and move on as well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>05-09-2010, 16:36:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My uh domination over Thufir's character *smirk* was done with his full consent and approval... :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-09-2010, 16:46:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd rather call it "seducing" than "dominating", since Li is likely to react badly to domination 8-).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-09-2010, 23:13:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We can move on.&nbsp; I can always come up with another salacious story later on...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>06-09-2010, 23:42:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, and I can open another thread to finish the current scene with Wei, should it have any development :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-09-2010, 23:43:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's cool with me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 01:18:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;&gt;:)<br><br>Just finished off this evening nicely though!&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 04:06:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can you guess where is the link to the new thread &gt;:)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 07:34:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nice name :)&nbsp; And in groups, ooh la la~~
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 11:26:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You chose the forum :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 11:54:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Threesomes or more....vs. one night stand? hmmm :p<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>07-09-2010, 12:28:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, it's not a threesome, just in the same forum as the game &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>09-09-2010, 22:15:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And thats the second episode wrapped up, so 8 XP for everyone. If anyone wishes to make nominations for bonus XP, now's your chance.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>09-09-2010, 22:27:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i vote for bonus exp for the mad one, for his story of the monkey king's daughter
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>09-09-2010, 22:29:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seconded, I was just writing the same.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>09-09-2010, 22:33:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Granted. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>09-09-2010, 22:38:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Gawrsh, thanks!&nbsp; &nbsp;:-[&nbsp; I feel so loved!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-09-2010, 08:29:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm a bit divided, but at the end, Mad Panda wins the uncontested first prize in my list, too. Hope the number of nominations gets him more XP ;D?<br><br>Wait - I just checked I can nominate more than one person! Now, I can't miss Arhys, of course &gt;:)! After all, she's a relative newbie as a player, but it wasn't <em>really</em> obvious, was it :P?<br><br>I'm skipping RT and Imogen this time, due to less activity on their sides - and also, I'd like to keep my nominations varied :D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>10-09-2010, 10:53:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks Thufir but there's more learning to do, first times for everything!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-09-2010, 11:06:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still, I stand by my word. That was a better start than many I have seen ;D!<br>So I feel you did earn the <strong>nom</strong>ination.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-09-2010, 19:51:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I second the mentat's nomination.&nbsp; Arhys is doing very well!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-09-2010, 22:55:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Granted. And yes, you can nominate more than one person. Anyone you felt significantly contributed to the story can get a nom, whether it was through a cool as hell fight stunt, comment that made you snarf your drink out your nose, or anything else of note :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>11-09-2010, 03:34:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks guys, you're all good roleplaying role models.<br><br>And I'd like to nominate Thufir too, for making me laugh several times, for pushing for a peaceful settlement with our gang of rogues and being consistent that way.&nbsp; <br><br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>11-09-2010, 14:09:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By the way, are Madame Shu, Feng and the maid still there?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-09-2010, 14:14:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				They are, though apparently still dozing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-09-2010, 01:17:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, can Li roll to recognize the skills of Feng, and what do I roll with if it's "yes"?<br>Not sure which attribute would work best here, and whether we can use our own skills.<br>I'd argue that yes, since one acquires skills by matching them against the skills of other schools, not to mention the practical reasons to tell one's students about other schools ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-09-2010, 01:38:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's say Wood (mental) + Hand to Hand.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-09-2010, 01:48:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Any kind of hand-to-hand works, right?<br>Just checking, since I can read that as either "unarmed" or "any weapon skill". Of course, Qin is primarily a game about weapon users, so my guess is it's the latter.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>14-09-2010, 01:54:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There's a specific skill called hand to hand. While some martial forms include both armed and unarmed, all you're seeing him doing at the moment would be something like tai chi.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-09-2010, 02:51:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In that case, the roll I sent you amounts to 5, which is pretty funny in itself ;D!<br>Where's the funny part? I rolled a 6, which would give us a roll of 9, and then I noticed I had pressed "test roll" instead of sending it to you :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-09-2010, 13:20:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry if I'm a bit out of it folks. I leave my job on Wed of next week, so you can probably imagine where my head's been the last while. Hoping to get caught up on posting tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>18-09-2010, 19:54:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hope things will work out for you, Heretic! Don't worry, we are here.<br>Well, except for people that are not, but that depends on the A&amp;As ;)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>19-09-2010, 22:08:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				On a slightly different note, is everyone happy with the group size and make up, or should we advertise for one or two new players? Our Fang Shi has been a little less active than I had hoped, and they're a useful person to have around :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>19-09-2010, 22:52:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Everyone has about a 40% chance of recognising the name of the King of Qi. To recognise Madame Shus father, 15%, and the Scribes organisation, 10%. Anyone who is a scholarly type would be 20% for the scribes. A martial or noble type would get 30% for Madame Shu's father. Roll separately for each of the three.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 05:44:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My luck with the die roller proceedeth apace:<br><br>Comment: King of Qi recog<br>Result: 98<br><br>Comment: Scholarly recog<br>Result: 72<br><br>Comment: Master Shu recog<br>Result: 76<br><br>So...no luck on any of the three.&nbsp; Wu may not even have remembered to put on his sandals this morning.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 09:11:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg3654754#msg3654754">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 19-09-2010, 22:52:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Everyone has about a 40% chance of recognising the name of the King of Qi. To recognise Madame Shus father, 15%, and the Scribes organisation, 10%. Anyone who is a scholarly type would be 20% for the scribes. A martial or noble type would get 30% for Madame Shu's father. Roll separately for each of the three.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Not sure if Li is a martial type - but he sure isn't noble or scholarly. I'll just send you the roll, and you can decide whether it applies.<br>I was right - it doesn't make a difference, (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=18148) Li doesn't know any of them :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 18:50:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll for Jiao-Jie:<br><br>Result: 5, 43, 75, 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 22:30:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What was the 5 for, the King's name?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 22:32:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just took them in the same order HH mentioned them, so I'm afraid so
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-09-2010, 22:37:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that's not a bad thing :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-09-2010, 00:34:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Le sigh, had to put some footnotes again. And I was trying to avoid that ;D!<br><br>I guess reading Jin Yong doesn't help at all :D.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>25-09-2010, 20:47:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hi everyone...roll sent to Hairy and also here http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php)<br><br>King 90<br>Father 89<br>Scribes 38<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-09-2010, 23:59:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, looks like pretty much a bust on info. I'll PM Imogen with what she knows, the rest of you can carry on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-10-2010, 02:15:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for the silence folks. Real Life is being Real Life, and while I was hoping to get posting today, it SO WASN'T HAPPENING. Hopefully tomorrow will let me get to posting again.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>06-10-2010, 08:03:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No problems, HH, I suspected something like that was the reason ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>06-10-2010, 11:58:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ugh, I'm with you Hairy, real life has been WAY too real the last week and a half.&nbsp; I'm filing a complaint...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-10-2010, 19:06:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries, H2.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-11-2010, 15:45:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know the quote from Dune is almost cheating, but it fits so nicely &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 13:07:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anyone who wants to see if they know anything about the gribbly in question can give me a skill test. Legends would probably work best, but I'll also allow Exorcism of History (at higher target numbers). If you think you can justify another skill, shout out.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 13:20:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If Li knew something, why would he be asking the fangshi?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 13:23:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It was a general comment to everyone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 13:25:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know, I'm just saying that I don't think I should roll for Li.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 13:59:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No problem.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>16-11-2010, 15:55:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Unless it's wrapped in silk, and served at a banquet among the elite, I'm afraid Jiao Jie wouldn't know of it ;-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>17-11-2010, 17:36:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My apologies to you all again, thanks for your patience and it is good to be back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-11-2010, 17:40:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Real Life hits us all from time to time, so don't worry about it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-11-2010, 19:03:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome back!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>26-11-2010, 15:31:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, no one apparently knows anything about ogres. This should be fun&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>26-11-2010, 18:58:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's going to be interesting in a Chinese way, you mean &gt;:)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>26-11-2010, 19:41:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That too&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>26-11-2010, 19:44:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In the most Confucian possible sense of the word, yes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-12-2010, 13:31:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You can check my A&amp;As if I'm slow to respond, but I'll try to avoid it becoming a problem ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-12-2010, 13:46:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries. I've been somewhat busier than usual myself the last few days.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>09-12-2010, 15:20:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just to let you all know, I'm going to be travelling over the next few days, so my posting may well be non existant til early next week. Hoping to get caught up on game posts before I go though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 13:56:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Same deal, different direction :)<br><br>See you in the new year.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 16:30:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Safe journey to you, H-square.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 16:52:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have fun, HH!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 17:47:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is our Fang shi still with us, or should I NPC him for the moment?<br><br>Do the others want to take a scout around while the fang shi is preparing his arts?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 17:56:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let us prod him, most gently, with the Fork of Correction...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 21:14:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...I'm here.&nbsp; I'm just trying to decide which art I should have Shen use.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 08:48:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4126509#msg4126509">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 13-01-2011, 17:47:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Do the others want to take a scout around while the fang shi is preparing his arts?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Actually, that was Li's suggestion. His information might help the fangshi, or he might just learn something interesting.<br>And of course, he might die, but these are the risks of the trade ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>19-01-2011, 11:40:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=21882) is my Stealth roll. Hope a result of 13 is going to be enough :P.<br>Of course, the Tao also makes scaling the ravine easier ;) .
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-01-2011, 16:14:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just in case anyone's not aware, I'm in the middle of moving house atm, so posting will be sporadic til that's sorted.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>21-01-2011, 17:39:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Three moves are equal to one fire.<br><br>Hope all goes smoothly!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:41:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What exactly is Li trying to do at the moment? Pick up evidence and move back to camp, or push on further?<br><br>And what are other people wanting to do in the meantime?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 16:54:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4273013#msg4273013">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 17-02-2011, 23:41:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What exactly is Li trying to do at the moment? Pick up evidence and move back to camp, or push on further?<br><br>And what are other people wanting to do in the meantime?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Pick up evidence, evaluate. Push on only if it's not good enough. He's back to camp if that's enough information for the fangshi.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:20:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4273013#msg4273013">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 17-02-2011, 23:41:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What exactly is Li trying to do at the moment? Pick up evidence and move back to camp, or push on further?<br><br>And what are other people wanting to do in the meantime?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I posted some filling for Jiao Jie but I'm out of ideas.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:29:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wu is enjoying his tea and trying very hard not to think about going up against the Ogre.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 21:46:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4275927#msg4275927">Quote from: Thufir Hawat on 18-02-2011, 16:54:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Pick up evidence, evaluate. Push on only if it's not good enough. He's back to camp if that's enough information for the fangshi.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What exactly is he hoping to learn? I need to have an idea of what you're after before I can determine if this is enough or not.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 03:03:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Are our other wandering heros still with us as well?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 16:31:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4276953#msg4276953">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 18-02-2011, 21:46:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What exactly is he hoping to learn? I need to have an idea of what you're after before I can determine if this is enough or not.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm working on this.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=54355.msg3992096#msg3992096">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 09-12-2010, 04:00:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">"The fortunate news is, as a demon, my arts will work against him and his powers.&nbsp; Magical elements, such as silver or jade, or blessed items, also are effective against it.&nbsp; However, the unfortunate news is that this ogre will be invulnerable against certain elements.&nbsp; If this is a demon from the hell of fire, then he will no doubt be immune.&nbsp; At this moment, I cannot say what this particular ogre's vulnerabilities are, not without gathering some information about the creature itself."<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm trying to help determine "its element". Hellfire leaves traces, for example, and these traces would be visible on the victims' remains.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 16:58:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, gotcha. Ok, let me see what I can work in then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 22:15:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, any of the following skills might be of use<br><br>Investigation<br>Medicine<br>Perception<br><br>If you have none of those, just use Wood.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 07:51:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wood 3+Perception 1+Earth 2 (Tao of the Inner Eye)+2 (roll sent)=8 total result.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 00:07:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Some of the bones bear faint traces of charring. Either the ogre cooked them at some point, or it has a natural afinity with fire.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 04:04:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, let's hope the fangshi it would be enough to help the fangshi ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 01:08:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wrong thead, O Mentat!&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 01:21:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4315942#msg4315942">Quote from: MadPanda on 01-03-2011, 01:08:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Wrong thead, O Mentat!&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Thanks, wrong thread indeed ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-03-2011, 12:59:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's the right thread this time :P.<br>Assuming that we can roll without the actual skill, I sent a roll for Li, but you've got to tell me which Attribute would apply. I can argue both for Wood and for Earth ;D!<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">Also, link to the roll (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=23393) to make things easier. And a result of 7 with Earth, 8 with Wood, too!<br>If you have stated the TN anywhere, I've missed it, so no IC post before I know whether Li has an idea what the creature is ;).</div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-03-2011, 14:40:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd allow Wood or Earth, whichever someone wanted to use. The higher someone rolls, the more info I will reveal to them :)<br><br>To give a reminder of difficulty levels, from the book<br><br>5 - Easy<br>6 - Average<br>9 - Difficult<br>11 - Very Difficult<br>13 - Heroic<br>15 - Legendary
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-03-2011, 15:43:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I remember the difficulties, but I don't know how likely one is to know such information ;).<br>So, yeah, I've got an 8 here. Don't know how much info this gives me, other than "it's damn strong and tough" :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>10-03-2011, 17:44:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Edited because it's indeed the wrong thread ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-03-2011, 17:58:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wrong OOC again, Oh Mentat.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-03-2011, 15:54:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No more questions for the spirit? Anyone can talk to it, now it's here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>17-03-2011, 16:30:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, I'm waiting for the fangshi. He stated that it's his job, and OOC, I don't want to step on RT's toes and steal his spotlight.<br><br>(The above is the player and not a shorthand for a Rogue Trader :P).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-03-2011, 19:50:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Our Fang shi is apparently deep in thought. Does anyone else want to talk to the ghost? :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>21-03-2011, 19:56:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Reiji's swamped with RL busy-ness, alas.<br><br>Alas, Wu has little to ask, unless inspiration strikes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-03-2011, 20:00:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, I wasn't aware.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>22-03-2011, 05:34:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seems like my post was long-overdue &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 10:46:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just in case anyone wonders, there's no way Li might think to abandon Jiao Jie!<br>Sure, he might want to finish their relationship so she can follow her own path. Until this happens, whether she wants it or not, he believes himself responsible for her!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 11:05:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Isn't setting up an all too easy test just to get rid of a student doing much the same? Granted, he is not abandoning her right now, but from your post it seems he is planning on doing just that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 12:14:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Short answer, no, it isn't. It's kinda obvious by now that that is what she wants, isn't it?<br><br>Besides, she could still travel with him, and he would care for her as much as he does for everyone else.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 12:26:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Then all I can say is that you don't know Jiao Jie well :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 12:49:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li doesn't have to know her to teach her. Why would I have to know her better than he does ;D?<br><br>Of course, go ahead and surprise me, I like that :P!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 12:52:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Considering the intended actions are based on what you feel Jiao Jie wants, I don't think it's entirely true that he doesn't have to know her to teach her. Unless the intention is to end it. Then indeed, no knowledge is needed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 13:44:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't say he doesn't know her. I said he doesn't <strong>have to</strong> know her <strong>well!</strong><br>He might be right about this, and still be surprised by her other actions.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 11:26:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd say he does not know her <strong>at all.</strong> Perhaps this is something we should correct through PM as they are supposed to have a history together as teacher-student. A bit late, but better late than never, I guess. So far he has only been surprised by losing her respect. More of the same seems to be incoming unless we do something. Not that I mind playing a failed teacher-student feeling relationship per se; I just don't see her wanting to travel another mile with him as soon as she doesn't have to under the current circumstances. Perhaps the GM can help with that if this angle fails, as Jiao-Jie shall need a new motivation to travel with the group.<br><br>And in case it isn't clear :-) I, the player, am happy to continue. Just the character's motivation is in the progress of being removed.<br><br>Also edited post to express correct honorific.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 14:05:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4449711#msg4449711">Quote from: Imogen on 01-04-2011, 11:26:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'd say he does not know her <strong>at all.</strong> Perhaps this is something we should correct through PM as they are supposed to have a history together as teacher-student. A bit late, but better late than never, I guess. So far he has only been surprised by losing her respect. More of the same seems to be incoming unless we do something. Not that I mind playing a failed teacher-student feeling relationship per se; I just don't see her wanting to travel another mile with him as soon as she doesn't have to under the current circumstances. Perhaps the GM can help with that if this angle fails, as Jiao-Jie shall need a new motivation to travel with the group.<br><br>And in case it isn't clear :-) I, the player, am happy to continue. Just the character's motivation is in the progress of being removed.<br><br>Also edited post to express correct honorific.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Great, you should obviously PM me with the details I am missing, and I'm going to update you with my views ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 16:21:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just as a quick note, Li isn't "coming into view" with a Stealth roll of 13 or so ;). Since he is using a Chi-based Tao, even the -relative- lack of cover wouldn't really unmask him, probably allowing to catch a glimpse of a moving shadow at most.<br><br><br>That said, his Water-based result for searching is 11 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=24153) (12 if Perception was of any use), and HH has to determine whether this is enough &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 16:29:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry Thufir, I misinterpreted <em> Li slowly emerged from hiding</em>. I can edit my post if you want?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 16:49:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, he is still a slowly creeping shadow, just a creeping shadow with no cover :P!<br><br>But no need to edit it, really, unless it bothers you. I said it was just a random note, and it really was ;)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-04-2011, 07:49:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My roll (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=24984) says 13 again &gt;:)!<br>Sorry, forgot to send it. That's why I'm posting the link for ease of reference.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-04-2011, 09:24:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's cool :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-04-2011, 08:27:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can I get a roll to remember the name of a Wulin elder that specializes in healing? Barring that, a well-known master of hidden weapons might be able to help Feng, too.<br>Not sure what you'd want me to roll, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-04-2011, 13:41:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.<br><br>History, Herbalism, Internal or External Alchemy or Legends. Any of those might yield a name up, so everyone who wants to can roll.<br><br>Inevitably, since this is a wu xia game, you know who you'll end up seeking out.<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/d/dc/Pai-Mei-sitting.jpg)<br><br>&nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-04-2011, 17:26:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll sent, but I doubt a total of 4 is high enough ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-04-2011, 18:24:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Probably not :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>15-05-2011, 20:41:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Like a bad penny...hi everyone :)&nbsp; Thanks again for having me back Hairy, my SecondLife is such that i need an escape from it now and am sure i will participate regularly...missed this and it is good to be back :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 00:51:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Those who have been exploring can give me a roll to see if they spotted any good ambush sites<br><br>Metal + Art of War<br>Water + Survival<br>Wood + Perception<br><br>Any of those should be applicable.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 07:52:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've got the mighty result of 5 on my roll to remember a good ambush site ;) .
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 08:19:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Roll Result: Imogen rolled: 2d10<br>Comment: Y-y wood + perc 4<br>Result: 4, 4 = 4? + 4 = 8<br><br>(right?)<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 13:01:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If both dice came up 4, thats a critical success, so to speak :) The result will be an 8, but it will be an 8 with additional good things.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 16:26:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Will get a roll on this done shortly.&nbsp; A bit distracted--I've started getting calls from placement agencies out of the blue and RL is picking up!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 17:51:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not a problem :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 18:51:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As in I'm off to have a chat with a recruiter in about an hour, looking for immediate placement (!!)&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 18:51:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nice :) Wish I was having as much luck.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 18:53:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Metal 3 plus Art of War 1 plus my roll of...<br><br>Roll Result: MadPanda rolled: 2d10<br>Comment: yang and yin<br>Result: 7, 1<br><br>(7-1) = +6 is a whopping total of 10<br><br>It's amazing what changing a job title and restructuring a resume can do!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 19:12:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Cool. <br><br>Were you out scouting earlier? I don't honestly remember.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 19:20:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Probably not, but it's possible Wu has been doing things while his player has been distracted, so...your call.&nbsp; &nbsp;:D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 19:25:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think we'll just leave it down to those who went for the sword. Imogen got a good result anyway :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>25-05-2011, 19:38:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				OK&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-05-2011, 23:54:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, quick question for people.<br><br>Since we're in a wu xia setting, I'd like to propose lifting a cinematic element from the Feng Shui game. Basically, if you think a particular prop (handy rock outcropping, table, peasent passing by with cart) would be in a particular scene, and you want to make use of it, you can write it into the scene description, rather than asking me if something is there.<br><br>Does that suit everyone?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-05-2011, 21:40:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hell, yes!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>30-05-2011, 22:35:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				sounds perfect :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>31-05-2011, 02:27:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4710850#msg4710850">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 29-05-2011, 23:54:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, quick question for people.<br><br>Since we're in a wu xia setting, I'd like to propose lifting a cinematic element from the Feng Shui game. Basically, if you think a particular prop (handy rock outcropping, table, peasent passing by with cart) would be in a particular scene, and you want to make use of it, you can write it into the scene description, rather than asking me if something is there.<br><br>Does that suit everyone?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That suits me just fine ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>31-05-2011, 09:09:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				okies!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-06-2011, 20:21:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Who wants to play bait in the trap then? :)<br><br>Who can run fastest and dodge best?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>02-06-2011, 21:00:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Checks her sheet* <br><br>Hm. now, if that were 'sneaking' ....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-06-2011, 22:01:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(meekly raises hand)<br><br>I'm not the best, but Wu does have that vague fatalistic courage in him...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>03-06-2011, 00:08:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Personally, I think whoever can run the fastest (or has the most dodge potential) should be the bait.&nbsp; The demon is going to be going after them with a vengeance.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>03-06-2011, 08:11:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've got Water 4, Dodging 2 or 3. Need to check whether I've raised it with XP, although I doubt that.<br>But assuming it's Water 4, Dodging 2, I still suspect that nobody beats that score ;) .
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>07-06-2011, 09:23:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				nope, not me!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 00:51:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Are you all waiting on something from me, or shall we skip on to the ambush site?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 20:49:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ambuscades, ho!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 01:37:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I sent a PM on my upgrade questions Hairy, I figured you were busy since then, but the answer then here is yes, I was waiting to hear back from you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 01:47:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I must have forgotten about it, sorry. Can you resend it, and I'll get an answer to you probably tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 17:12:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was quite simply at a holiday, wrote about it in my A&amp;As ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>20-07-2011, 19:43:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just to give everyone a head's up, I'm going to be starting a new job in a couple of weeks time, and moving across the country (have to find a new place yet), so my posting is likely to be sporadic for the next month or so.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>21-07-2011, 05:42:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hurrah for H2!&nbsp; Employability beats the alternative.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>28-07-2011, 21:29:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Life gotten everyone busy atm?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-07-2011, 06:29:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alas, yes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2011, 08:34:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4991504#msg4991504">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 28-07-2011, 21:29:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Life gotten everyone busy atm?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yes, but I'm not posting simply because the last IC post is written by me ;) .
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>29-07-2011, 08:35:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm here. Not sure what to add to the thread :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-07-2011, 12:53:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, the bait needs to say something to start with :)<br><br>Others could be posting what preparations they want to make for the ambush :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>29-07-2011, 18:45:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg4994845#msg4994845">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 29-07-2011, 12:53:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, the bait needs to say something to start with :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I suggest the bait says something like "big bad ogre, aren't you going to come and elliquiyfy me already?" ;D It would be classical, especially with some crawling desperation in the tone!<br><br>&gt;:)<br><br>On a more serious note, I have to post IC and I'm just slacking.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>20-08-2011, 04:55:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just updated my A&amp;As, have fun while I'm away ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>01-09-2011, 23:50:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Does anyone want to do any planning here, or shall we move on to the fight? We can do a couple of quick rolls to see how effective the lure is, to move things along.<br><br>Thoughts?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>02-09-2011, 05:37:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Planning?&nbsp; Us?&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>02-09-2011, 09:04:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Li's planning was already executed flawlessly, in his opinion.<br>That is, we have a bait, he's hidden and with a weapon that can hurt the beast, the others are similarly armed. Time to lure the beast and deal with it, unless the fangshi says there is something else ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-09-2011, 22:39:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, then I need to know what the bait wants to do.<br><br>Try and find the beastie, throw a rock at its head and leg it, or walk along fat dumb and happy and wait for it to find you .. or something else entirely?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>13-09-2011, 23:26:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				She's going to sinfully tease and taunt&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;;P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 05:15:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ooooo, <em>bad</em> girl!&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;:)<br><br>(laugh)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>03-10-2011, 22:46:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not sure sitting on a rock and waiting will bring the Ogre in. Do you plan to stay there, or go out and look for it?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 02:59:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Or we might throw a party &gt;:)!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 03:15:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That does kinda ruin the element of surprise :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 04:28:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We could throw the ogre a surprise party!&nbsp; Two goals, one action...&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 13:13:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52106.msg5295401#msg5295401">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 04-10-2011, 03:15:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That does kinda ruin the element of surprise :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Well, it will lure the ogre towards us ;D!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Arhys</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 13:18:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				sorry had issues and wanted to give others time to post any settling, i will be on it after work today
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>18-10-2011, 06:28:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Any plans then, or shall I deus ex things on a bit?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 04:17:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By all means, <em>deus ex</em> away.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Thufir Hawat</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 08:36:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, a time skip would be welcome right now ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Qin - Chronicles of The Middle Kingdoms] OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Imogen</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 09:55:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				aye :-)
			</dd>
		</dl>
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