Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy
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				Title: <strong>Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 19:29:36</strong>
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				Establishing this as the OOC should help I think, keep our thoughts in order while not filling our inboxes with crossed private messages.<br><br>Firstly, Tex, repost the most relevant to a low fantasy setting of those potential picture threads and ideas you sent to the both of us.<br><br>Secondly, I'll reserve a post or two for character skeletons/plot outline should we choose to utilize them.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 19:30:50</strong>
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				Synopsis<br><br>Cast of Characters<br>The Evil Queen- Chaotic Envy<br>Old King- Nice Texan Guy<br>Crown Prince- Nice Texan Guy<br>Manfred von Holstein, Reikmar Diplomatic Envoy- ChaosLord29<br><br>Profile Skeleton:<div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body"><div class="codeheader">Code: <a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="return smfSelectText(this);" class="codeoperation">[Select]</a></div><pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0;"><code class="bbc_code">[b]Name[/b]:<br>[b]Age[/b]:<br>[b]Personality[/b]:<br>[b]Backrgound[/b]:<br>[b]Appearance[/b]:</code></pre></div></div><br>Outline:<br>In the years following the queen's death, the old king was troubled now with the task of raising his son alone in the growing turmoil of the final collapse of order as the Empire splintered into warring factions and minor kingdoms. Able to keep his own realm secure for so long, he now sought the alliance of one of the militarist border princedoms, formalizing the arrangement by wedding the now young Queen, to also help him raise his son and heir.<br><br>Since then, the Border Princes have stopped their petty squabbling to form a territorial alliance known as the Reikmar Protectorate, and their combine militarist factions now make them one of the premier powers of the region. The status of his previous alliance despite his marriage now in question, the Protectorate has sent an agent and party to open new formal diplomatic negotiations . . . 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 19:54:56</strong>
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				I'm not sure how relevant these are to the specific ideas we are kicking around, but anyone wanting to look them over should get some insight <del>regarding what goes on in my sick perverted little mind</del> as to how I think and what appeals to me.<br><br>character wanted&nbsp; ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=124574.msg5479346#msg5479346 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=124574.msg5479346#msg5479346)<br><br>picture prompts&nbsp; ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=103106.msg5393017#msg5393017 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=103106.msg5393017#msg5393017)<br><br>video inspiration ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=118549.msg5366997#msg5366997 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=118549.msg5366997#msg5366997)<br><br>more picture prompts&nbsp; ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=102783.msg4462114#msg4462114 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=102783.msg4462114#msg4462114)<br><br>two couples&nbsp; ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96984.msg4244836#msg4244836 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96984.msg4244836#msg4244836)<br><br>evil characters wanted&nbsp; ---&nbsp; &nbsp;http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=139376.msg6296486#msg6296486 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=139376.msg6296486#msg6296486)<br><br><br>My ideas for my characters are basically as follows and subject to change to suit my playmates' desires:<br><br>The old king.<br><br>He was already old when his only son was born, and now he's even older.&nbsp; His wife's death was a blow from which he never recovered.&nbsp; (As for how long ago that was, it could remain some unspecified point in the distant past, OR it could be a recent event if your characters are responsible for making the king a widower and available to marry again.)<br><br>He was once a warrior, but now is easily winded.&nbsp; He tries to keep up appearances (riding, hunting, reviewing the troops) and even though he might not be able to "satisfy" his new wife, he's happy letting everybody think he can.&nbsp; He's still somewhat wise and intelligent, but lately he's had difficulty with his concentration, though he hides it well.&nbsp; So far, nobody on the Privy Council suspects anything is wrong with the king -- since most of them have been ageing along with him.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br><br>The young prince:<br><br>His age will be whatever ChaoticEnvy is comfortable with.&nbsp; An only child, he's brought up to be king and he accepts that role destiny had thrust upon him.&nbsp; When he was younger he was a bit of a brat -- always hiding from his tutors when he didn't want to study, etc --- he's found several secret passages in the palace that nobody else knows (since the palace is hundreds of years old).&nbsp; Now he is studious, a fair horseman and swordsman, but hardly the best.&nbsp; He worries about his ability to rule, and fears what might happen if he has to lead his kingdom to war.<br><br>Several eligible young ladies have been presented as possible brides -- yes, it's getting to be that time -- but he hasn't expressed a preference for any of them.&nbsp; How can he even think about spending the rest of his life with any of them when he's secretly in love with his stepmother, the queen.&nbsp; <br><br>One more thing I'd like to ask about -- the role of religion in the setting.&nbsp; Since this is about good vs evil, I'd be interested in having an officially recognized "church" much like Medieval Europe had <em>the</em> Church.&nbsp; Without getting into some long discussion about whether the church was/is good or bad, etc ... I like the idea of there being something along the lines of the church which is supposed to represent all that is good and holy. A place to worship, confess sins, etc... and a monothestic religion, not one with a pantheon of gods.&nbsp; Anyway, that's just my preference.&nbsp; I know a lot of people are not comfortable with introducing religion into the play, and I fully understand if you want to just leave that part out.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 20:08:49</strong>
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				Both synopsis for the Old King and the Young Prince meet with my approval. I think they're an excellent impetus for advancing our story here. I also wouldn't want to the old king to die off immediately, and am now thinking my own character could act as ward and tutor for the young prince as another means of fostering good relations between the two kingdoms.<br><br>A state religion also provides something to distinguish the two realms, especially if the nation of mine and Chaotic Envy's character has a more libertine or hedonist church as well as expansionist tendencies (manifest destiny sort of thing).<br><br>I'll transfer your character summaries to my 2nd post Texan, and flesh out a character profile we can use to nail down the details and use for reference.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 20:21:19</strong>
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				Thank you.&nbsp; I presume the death of the king will not be by natural causes (even thought it may be made to look that way) but on a timetable most suitable to your designs on the kingdom.<br><br>If my concept of "the Church" meets with your approval I'd also like to point out that if we're playing in a setting where low magic exists and is effective, then the good guys' "magic" (faith, church stuff like holy water, etc) should have some effect as well ... though I see the struggle as taking place in the political realm (and various beds) so the church's power will be undermined without the need for a lot of magic.<br><br>I just wanted to throw that in there, so perhaps an old priest or two might be able to discern the presence of evil if too much is attempted along the lines of use of magic potions, charms, etc. unless the user is careful to avoid detection.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 20:27:13</strong>
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				Or the priests themselves can quickly find themselves corrupted, killed, or otherwise taken out of the picture. Subtle machinations will be the order of the day though for a time, definitely.<br><br>Now then, let's see about nailing down some details for our characters names and the like, shall we?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>09-05-2013, 23:34:25</strong>
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				Sounds good to me, the rivalry and all of that can be whatever you guys are up for. I am not picky :) Not always at least XD
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 00:03:26</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8197459#msg8197459">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 09-05-2013, 23:34:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sounds good to me, the rivalry and all of that can be whatever you guys are up for. I am not picky :) Not always at least XD<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Excellent!<br><br>So, do we want to forgo character profiles and just figure out where we'd like to begin with everything? Or are there specific details we'd like to tease out first?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 00:31:36</strong>
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				While I'm the type that likes to have all the pieces in place before we begin (just how long <em>does</em> it take to sail from Florin to Guilder when the wind is out of the southeast at 5 to 7 knots?) the irony is that I suck at coming up with names and descriptions - and since I'm on dialup, pictures take forever to find.<br><br>That having been said, I'm looking now for character pics and maps.&nbsp; If either of you finds something you think suitable for either of my guys, by all means please share it.&nbsp; I do like having the visual references, and having a picture helps with my descriptions.<br><br>In addition, a cursory map of the kingdom would be nice ... not necessarily for campaigning, but as a general reference.<br><br>I found this for the king, maybe:&nbsp; <br><br>(http://myfamilyclans.com/exhibits/sigismund_i_the_old_king_of_poland.png)<br><br>and for the prince:<br><br>(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/ap/bx20212122116.grid-4x2.jpg)<br><br>Not that I'm that fond of either picture, they were just the only ones I found close to what I was looking for.<br><br>Also, SCA (the Society for Creative Anachronism) has some great resources, and they've also divided the USA into several "kingdoms" so we could probably just use one of their maps -- some part of the country we're all familiar with -- and have a good idea of the geography of the area but with cooler sounding place names that don't sound like modern America.<br><br>(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/74259_10201098207404292_1619943137_n.jpg)<br><br>We will, I presume, pretend the kingdom is a European-like setting, even though the continent may resemble North America.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 00:46:43</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8197759#msg8197759">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 10-05-2013, 00:31:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">While I'm the type that likes to have all the pieces in place before we begin (just how long <em>does</em> it take to sail from Florin to Guilder when the wind is out of the southeast at 5 to 7 knots?) the irony is that I suck at coming up with names and descriptions - and since I'm on dialup, pictures take forever to find.<br><br>That having been said, I'm looking now for character pics and maps.&nbsp; If either of you finds something you think suitable for either of my guys, by all means please share it.&nbsp; I do like having the visual references, and having a picture helps with my descriptions.<br><br>In addition, a cursory map of the kingdom would be nice ... not necessarily for campaigning, but as a general reference.<br><br>I found this for the king, maybe:&nbsp; <br><br>(http://myfamilyclans.com/exhibits/sigismund_i_the_old_king_of_poland.png)<br><br>and for the prince:<br><br>(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/ap/bx20212122116.grid-4x2.jpg)<br><br>Not that I'm that fond of either picture, they were just the only ones I found close to what I was looking for.<br><br>Also, SCA (the Society for Creative Anachronism) has some great resources, and they've also divided the USA into several "kingdoms" so we could probably just use one of their maps -- some part of the country we're all familiar with -- and have a good idea of the geography of the area but with cooler sounding place names that don't sound like modern America.<br><br>(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/74259_10201098207404292_1619943137_n.jpg)<br><br>We will, I presume, pretend the kingdom is a European-like setting, even though the continent may resemble North America.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You have my sympathies for the dial-up, and respect for the reference but that is all I'm afraid. I'm fairly certain I can come up with some better reference pictures than those and I intend to do so. I also already have in mind a map reference that should suffice. Does anyone have a preference for or against real world or digital/drawn reference pictures?<br><br>As for names, let me recommend, Behind the Name (http://www.behindthename.com/), as it allows you to search and filter names by meaning and nationality/country of origin. On that note I was picturing our dynamic as one between say a late Imperial Age Florence or another of the Italian states, and the recently united/conquered Austrian Empire. You'll be playing the King and crown Prince of a wealthy, culturally sophisticated city-state, with deep roots in the old order of things and Chaotic Envy and I will be from the relatively recently uplifted expansionist power.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 00:56:15</strong>
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				Yes, I'm fine with all the above.&nbsp; Those are the sort of details I can live without, but thoroughly enjoy having to fall back on -- especially maps.<br><br>My orientation is more to the north and west (hence, the references to Florin and Guilder) but it isn't a huge deal - just don't be surprised if the names I pick are less Italian-sounding than what you might have expected.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 03:33:51</strong>
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				I've always been a fan of the Old World from Warhammer Fantasy, I thought Tilea would suit our purposes nicely, and you can select which of the principalities to be King, or whatever title we decide on.<br><br>http://www.freewebs.com/kalevalahammer/Tilea_Pol_uk_1-13.jpg (http://www.freewebs.com/kalevalahammer/Tilea_Pol_uk_1-13.jpg)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>10-05-2013, 20:40:10</strong>
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				<strong>Name</strong>: Manfred von Holstein<br><strong>Age</strong>: 28<br><strong>Personality</strong>: Cunning, ambitious, and masterfully deceptive, Manfred gives the appearance of a perfect courier. Charming and well spoken, he hides all intentions and feelings behind a fiendish smirk and bright, calculating eyes, coupled with an unassailable confidence that makes him as disconcerting as he is transfixing to speak with. Behind his courteous façade, Manfred is as conniving as he is ruthless, and weaves intricate webs of deception and misinformation surrounding both himself and those he would have in his pocket. There is no weakness he is above exploiting, and he likes to think there is no one beyond his influence.<br><br><strong>Backrgound</strong>: Manfred has risen to prominence from an impoverished noble family following the unification of the border princedoms into the Reikmar Protectorate, serving now as an agent, envoy, and trusted executor of the will of the ruling council. Prior to that, he acted as a broker of information and power, and an expert mediator and negotiator between the princedoms and there are those who consider him implemental in the formation of the Reikmar Compact which formed the Protectorate. He has now been chosen to travel to the neighboring realms as a diplomat and expand the influence of his new nation's rising power.<br><br><strong>Appearance</strong>: Dark chestnut curls and handsome aquiline features combine with Manfred's nigh tangible aura of haughty confidence give him a weight of bearing and force of personality one might not expect for a man of his years. His steely blue eyes are as piercing as a plunging lance and are often the only indication of his hidden motives as they reflect the intentions of their owner. Manfred prefers the vestments and uniform of his station within the Protectorate and wears his badge of office proudly along with a tactful combination of practical, only just stylish doublets, tunics, and breeches.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 00:10:44</strong>
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				<strong>Name:</strong> Katelyn Spearwort <br><strong>Age:</strong> 28<br><strong>Personality:</strong> Witty, charismatic, and charming. She knew how to get just what she wanted and knew how to manipulate people to bend to her will. Of course not many people ever saw this side of her. To the world she tried to remain the sweet and innocent and precious girl that she had always been.<br><strong>Appearance:</strong> Dark auburn hued hair with chocolate hued eyes. Katelyn has a array of curves in all of the right places. She was beautiful for sure but Katelyn was not one to see herself for her beauty. Although she knew how to use her beauty against weak men. Her choice of clothing of course was always something cute and sexy, until she was married off and made a Queen at least. Her wardrobe now mimicking that of what a Queen would be expected to wear.<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/b/bb/1ab.jpg)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/1/1b/1abc.jpg)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/d/d9/1abcd.jpg)<br><br>More will be filled in later :)<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 00:52:38</strong>
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				<strong>Name</strong>:&nbsp; Eligio V - Prince of Miragliano<br><br><strong>Age</strong>: 63<br><br><strong>Personality</strong>:&nbsp; Generally regarded as a good and benevolent ruler.&nbsp; He sometimes listens to his advisers, but often has his mind already made up and only accepts their advice if it confirms what he has already decided.&nbsp; Only a few of the older members of his Privy Council know they can tell him, and on rare occasions convince him, that he's wrong.&nbsp; He is by no means naive when it comes to international affairs, but he always made a better warrior than administrator.&nbsp; He inspires loyalty in those who are closest to him, and they in turn inspire the masses toward loyalty to the Prince.&nbsp; Eligio also knows that image is important for a ruler.&nbsp; Therefore, he is always mindful of his posture when appearing in public, and is content to let everyone think he is "satisfying" his beautiful young wife on a nightly basis.<br><br><strong>Background</strong>: Eligio ascended to the throne at 17, when his own father died in battle.&nbsp; Confident he would make a great ruler at the time, he came to realize just how unprepared he had been for the job.&nbsp; (This has a lot of influence on his attitude toward his son's education.)&nbsp; Under his rule, Miragliano has seen many positive changes, most notably an increase in the standard of living that came with (1) discovery of gold in the northern mountain region (2) the end of multiple wars and quasiwars that came with the breakup of an empire, as well as civil discord within Miragliano itself, and (3) the buildup of the Navy to protect commerce.&nbsp; The recent death of his wife of 20 years, Gretchen, was a severe blow to him.&nbsp; Though he is remarried to a much younger and more beautiful woman, Eligio wants his son Gilberto to maintain a close connection to his mother's heritage, which is why his son now has several tutors from the Reikmar region. <br><br><strong>Appearance</strong>:&nbsp; To put it bluntly, Eligio is showing signs of age.&nbsp; Muscles are now concealed by a layer of fat, and his center of gravity is somewhat lower than it used to be.&nbsp; Olive skin is starting to shrivel from years of exposure, and his dark hair is now more gray than black.&nbsp; Easily winded and prone to stooping, public appearances are much less frequent now than in previous years.<br><br>*******************************<br>&nbsp;<br><br><strong>Name</strong>:&nbsp; Gilberto (Famiglia de'Cavalcanti)<br><br><br><strong>Age</strong>:&nbsp; 18<br><br><strong>Personality</strong>:&nbsp; An only child, he's brought up to be ruler and he accepts that role destiny had thrust upon him. When he was younger he was a bit of a brat -- always hiding from his tutors when he didn't want to study, etc --- he's found several secret passages in the palace that nobody else knows (since the palace is hundreds of years old).&nbsp; Now he is studious, a fair horseman and swordsman, but hardly the best. He worries about his ability to rule, and fears what might happen if he has to lead his kingdom to war.<br><br><strong>Background</strong>:&nbsp; <br><br>He can barely remember a time when both parents were deeply involved in his life.&nbsp; After his mother's death, his father seemed more withdrawn and took a hands off approach to the raising of his son.&nbsp; As a prince, Gilberto was somewhat insulated from other children his own age, and play with them was never "equal".&nbsp; There were even times when a governess or caretaker would punish another child for something Gilberto did.&nbsp; The feeling of guilt for getting other children in trouble remains with him to this day.&nbsp; It's made him something of a loner, and most of his more physical activities are things he can do alone.&nbsp; <br><br>As future ruler, Gilberto holds several minor titles and positions - count of this and baron of that, deputy constable here and deacon there.&nbsp; He sometimes accompanies his regiment in patrolling the eastern border, though it seems to him his military superiors take great pains to ensure he is never in any danger.&nbsp; Lately, his father has insisted Gilberto broaden his studies and has brought tutors from the Reikmar region in order to honor his mother's heritage.&nbsp; The fervor with which Gilberto embraces that part of his heritage is not because of his mother, but because of his stepmother, with whom he is secretly in love.&nbsp; Of course he would never reveal this to anyone.<br><br>Several eligible young ladies have been presented as possible brides -- yes, it's getting to be that time -- but he hasn't expressed a preference for any of them. How can he even think about spending the rest of his life with any of them when he's already in love with someone else?<br><br><strong>Appearance</strong>:&nbsp; Thin, and slightly taller than average, he has the characteristic olive skin and black hair of virtually every boy his age in Miragliano, but his mother's blue eyes.&nbsp; He prefers comfortable clothing to his princely robes and etc, but the royal tailor insures his "comfortable" clothing still maintains a princely look.&nbsp; There is a scar on his right cheek from one childhood injury, and a smaller scar above his left eye from another - both injuries resulting from dares, which he took as an affront to his courage.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 00:53:27</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8203168#msg8203168">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 11-05-2013, 00:10:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>Name:</strong> Katelyn Spearwort <br><strong>Age:</strong> 28<br><strong>Personality:</strong> Witty, charismatic, and charming. She knew how to get just what she wanted and knew how to manipulate people to bend to her will. Of course not many people ever saw this side of her. To the world she tried to remain the sweet and innocent and precious girl that she had always been.<br><strong>Appearance:</strong> Dark auburn hued hair with chocolate hued eyes. Katelyn has a array of curves in all of the right places. She was beautiful for sure but Katelyn was not one to see herself for her beauty. Although she knew how to use her beauty against weak men. Her choice of clothing of course was always something cute and sexy, until she was married off and made a Queen at least. Her wardrobe now mimicking that of what a Queen would be expected to wear.<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/b/bb/1ab.jpg)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/1/1b/1abc.jpg)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/d/d9/1abcd.jpg)<br><br>More will be filled in later :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What do you think, Tex? Are you all ready to start groveling before all of that?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 00:57:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've been grovelling before Bianca Beauchamp for years.&nbsp; Just sent CE a PM expressing my approval of her choice.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 00:59:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8203427#msg8203427">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 11-05-2013, 00:57:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I've been grovelling before Bianca Beauchamp for years.&nbsp; Just sent CE a PM expressing my approval of her choice.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>This could not have worked out more perfectly then, I'm so glad we have a similar taste and that Chaotic Envy was so inclined to take it up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 01:02:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8203168#msg8203168">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 11-05-2013, 00:10:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">More will be filled in later :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I volunteer.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 01:05:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8203453#msg8203453">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 11-05-2013, 01:02:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I volunteer.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You volunteering to fill her or to fill out more XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>11-05-2013, 01:11:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;O:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>12-05-2013, 22:19:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've taken the liberty of doing a little extra with the map - specifically the Principality of Miragliano.&nbsp; I realize we may not need it, but it's here in case you want to refer to it.&nbsp; It certainly helps me picture what's going on.<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/e/e4/Miragliano.jpg)<br><br>A slightly larger size can be found here:<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/e/e4/Miragliano.jpg (http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/e/e4/Miragliano.jpg)<br><br>I figure the name of the principality and the name of the capital city could be the same, particularly if we're treating it as sort of a semi-quasi-city-state type of setting.<br><br>I've added a few villages since I think there would be more than what was on the original map, and I've attached Italian sounding names (mostly) to the cities and towns (but not the villages, I'm not that obsessed and it would have cluttered up the map.)&nbsp; Also didn't name the castles .. figured I'd leave that open to anyone who wanted to introduce a particular noble from a particular region.<br><br>Also, note the blue shading around the border doesn't mean anything like "really wet" - it's just shading used to help distinguish the borders on the bigger map.&nbsp; <br><br>I don't know if we're playing with Skaven.&nbsp; I never played Warhammer, so I had to look it up.&nbsp; Anyway, I figured with the castle fortresses in the east, there must have been some threat at some time.<br><br>And finally, note the letters and numbers along the edges -- they're there so you can refer to "the village at C-9" rather than having to try to describe what village you're referring to.&nbsp; (Okay, maybe it's closer to D-9, my head was tilted at the time, but you get the idea.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 18:29:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You guys ready to kick this RP off? I'm at work but that won't stop me from writing up an introductory post unless anyone else is inclined to.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 18:36:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm ready.&nbsp; Actually, quite eager.<br><br>My day is uncertain -- not sure how much longer I'll be online, but definitely ready to see something get started.&nbsp; It would be nice if someone else did the initial post, but of course I'll do it if I'm told to.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 18:46:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ready to start as well :) Will let you have the lead Chaos!! :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 18:57:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just one question I was wanting to clear up ... not a huge issue, but are we calling it a principality or a kingdom?&nbsp; For all practical purposes I don't think it wouldn't matter, except for forms of address for the royal family.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 19:17:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's say it's a kingdom, your father having been more or less forced to declare it as such following the civil conflicts of the region.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 20:49:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here's the IC thread!<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173980.0#new (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173980.0#new)<br><br>Hope I didn't go overboard on the intro, I just like to go the extra mile to set the scene and introduce the players. Don't feel like we each have to post that much everytime or this RP will never get anywhere XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>13-05-2013, 22:19:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Will post when I cab may be tomorrow 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>14-05-2013, 03:56:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8220490#msg8220490">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 13-05-2013, 22:19:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Will post when I cab may be tomorrow<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Take your time, and just know that thus far, Manfred is giving no indication he knows Katelyn.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 19:17:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So what I had in mind is that Manfred's spy is going to slip the Queen a note prior to the banquet, and at the feast, Manfred is going to slip something into the King's wine that when combine with the Reikmar Delicacy (the finest in spiced, smoked sausage) will induce in the good king quite the case of indigestion. Then Manfred himself can be the one to concoct for the King a tonic to cure his ailment and help him sleep through the night; a very, very sound sleep, if you catch my meaning.<br><br>To that end, I'm going to post again before Chaotic Envy, and I was musing with the idea of one of Manfred's spies dropping in on the Prince?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 19:26:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fine by me :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 20:52:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8236235#msg8236235">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 16-05-2013, 19:26:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Fine by me :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>and me&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 20:56:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Great! Just posted, and once Chaotic Envy has made her entrance, I'll post again with Manfred making friendly overtures to the Prince, giving the poor fool a chance to attempt to embarrass him&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 23:04:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Edited:<br>The puzzle box! I'd almost forgotten about it, it's Manfred's masterstroke to win over the Prince!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 23:21:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8237238#msg8237238">Quote from: chaoslord29 on 16-05-2013, 23:04:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Edited:<br>The puzzle box! I'd almost forgotten about it, it's Manfred's masterstroke to win over the Prince!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I forgot to ask about the puzzle.&nbsp; Maybe it's an easy puzzle but the prince was too flustered to figure it out.&nbsp; Now the box is in his room and he's at the banquet.&nbsp; If he's to open it now, perhaps the queen will ask him about it -- putting him on the spot -- and he has to go retrieve it to satisfy his <em>parents'</em> curiosity.&nbsp; Perhaps a discrete hint will be provided that will help him figure it out?<br><br>Just thinking out loud... well, you know.. typing, actually.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 23:32:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8236194#msg8236194">Quote from: chaoslord29 on 16-05-2013, 19:17:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> and I was musing with the idea of one of Manfred's spies dropping in on the Prince?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>"Sounds good to me" -- after which I will promptly forget it.<br><br>Sorry about that.<br><br>So, one more admin question.&nbsp; Can you explain a little about the structure of the Reikmar Compact?&nbsp; I'm guessing it's sort of a confederation, maybe?&nbsp; And who's in charge, how is it organized?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 23:38:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8237316#msg8237316">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 16-05-2013, 23:21:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I forgot to ask about the puzzle.&nbsp; Maybe it's an easy puzzle but the prince was too flustered to figure it out.&nbsp; Now the box is in his room and he's at the banquet.&nbsp; If he's to open it now, perhaps the queen will ask him about it -- putting him on the spot -- and he has to go retrieve it to satisfy his <em>parents'</em> curiosity.&nbsp; Perhaps a discrete hint will be provided that will help him figure it out?<br><br>Just thinking out loud... well, you know.. typing, actually.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Manfred will have a hint for him all right, but the secret of the box is something a little too potentially intimate to discuss in mixed company, let alone to open.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>16-05-2013, 23:41:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;:-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>17-05-2013, 17:03:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8237364#msg8237364">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 16-05-2013, 23:32:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, one more admin question.&nbsp; Can you explain a little about the structure of the Reikmar Compact?&nbsp; I'm guessing it's sort of a confederation, maybe?&nbsp; And who's in charge, how is it organized? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The Reikmarches Protectorate is the governing body for the various sovereign principalities to the east of the mountain ranges, guarding the eastern border of the civilized world against the dark wastelands beyond. Basically, each Prince still rules their ancestral land, but owe their allegiance to the Council of Protectors, which rules the federated territories as a whole. Each Principality elects a Member of the Council (A Consular) by majority vote amongst the landed aristocracy of the region. These procedures were established following a period of civil war and great strife throughout the region that ended with the signing of the Reikmarches Compact which has evolved into the new nation's constitution.<br><br>So, The Protectorate refers to the governing body. The Reikmarches (which can always be shortened to Reikmar) refers to the region as a whole, and is seen as the more politically correct phrase (rather than the Border Princes) now that the individual princes no longer have sovereign rule.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>17-05-2013, 17:38:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, so not being familiar with the real life historical Austrian precident, I won't be too far off by thinking of it as a confederation?&nbsp; In terms of a "font of honour" for granting knighthoods or making someone a baron, that is still the perogative of each individual prince.&nbsp; If they go to war, the council commissions someone to lead an army, and each principality "voluntarily" supplies troops, and a principality that doesn't do it's fair share might then be excluded from playing any more reindeer games? <br><br>I don't really have a specific idea in mind behind the question, just wanted to get a better feel for the setting.&nbsp; On the other hand, it might be nice to have these little options to spice up the game.&nbsp; Does Gilberto, because of his mother, hold some minor (or major) title in one of the Reikmarches?&nbsp; Would this title place some sort of obligation on him to the ruler of that principality?&nbsp; I know this sounds like it could complicate things tremendously, and I'm really not trying to do that.&nbsp; I'm just sitting here with nothing else to do and am trying to brainstorm ideas that might provide opportunities (good and bad) for my character's future.<br><br>Anyway, don't mind me .. carry on, you two (and your characters, also, may <em>carry on</em> if they wish)&nbsp; &nbsp;;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 01:15:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This is starting to diverge significantly from historical precedent lol, mostly just making it up as I go along haha. I agree it’s good (and fun) to flesh out these details though for the purpose of the story and our own diversion.<br><br><br>You’ve got the right idea with a confederation though, The Principalities all have their own military forces and traditions, and knightly orders and the like, they’re all necessary to defend their own realms against the various threats of the monstrous tribes and clans. On top of that however, the Council of Protectors has begun to establish a professional military rather than one composed purely of vassals and serfs as the Princes command. This force is drawn from an equal levy of each Prince and funded by an equal tax on all of them, and owe their allegiance solely to the council and the Protectorate as a whole. Thus they are generally held in reserve until a Prince calls on them for aid against whatever threat they might be facing, or else they are called upon in force should the Protectorate need to go on campaign against the barbaric creatures.<br><br>As for Gilberto . . . I’m inclined to say that while Reikmar women are free to hold positions even in Knightly orders and that they acknowledge equality of the sexes in inheritance, they are highly nationalist. Thus, since his mother accepted Marigliano tradition in terms of inheritance, and Gilberto himself has fought in no battles for the Reikmarches, he would likely be very much . . . disparaged back in the homeland of his mother and step-mother. However, Manfred might be able to swing some honor for him from the Protectorate itself, with accompanying obligations were they to work in his favor.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 01:19:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Perfect, and thank you for that response.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 01:27:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8242925#msg8242925">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 18-05-2013, 01:19:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Perfect, and thank you for that response.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No problem! To further expand, Manfred's (and his bodyguard, Konrad's) company of Lancers (you can google Winged Hussars for an idea) is part of the Grand Army of the Protectorate, loyal to the Council, not part of any particular Prince's forces. It's a prestigious company comprised of volunteers who could afford the price associated with their signature arms, armor, and thoroughbred steeds, and pass the rigorous trials and standards of their company. Noble families will sponsor 2nd and 3rd sons for the Lancers to get in the good graces of the Council, merchants and lowborn families who can afford it will purchase a place for their sons and even daughters, and any soldier who impresses a Consular or Executor thereof (like Manfred) may earn a position in the Lancers.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 02:21:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is so lost with you two rambling on about this and that XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 02:37:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry about that.<br><br>The important thing to remember is your character's primary job is to<br>(1) submit to the Alpha male, and<br>(2) bend all others to your will (and his.)<br><br>I'm hoping you'll find #2 as fun as #1 and it means I'll get to keep playing with you.<br><br>But seriously, since I don't have a whole lot going on, I'll send something that might help.&nbsp; Just need a little time to get it together.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 02:45:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes I imagine it will be very fun for number 1 and 2
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>18-05-2013, 05:10:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Typed hurridly, not a great deal of attention paid to grammar, sentence structure, etc.&nbsp; There may even be spelling errors.&nbsp; It reads as if directed to CE, but of course CL should look over to ensure we're all on the same page and point out significant errors in my understanding of the setting, etc.&nbsp; Looking it over now, it's much longer than I intended, I guess sometimes I tend to be chatty.&nbsp; In real life, people often ask me for the <em>short answer</em> to a question.&nbsp; Now we know why.<br><br><div align="center">************************************</div><br>Okay, this is not necessarily doctrine, and anyone who knows anything about this stuff could pick it apart and make me look like a blithering idiot who knows nothing of history and nobility and stuff.&nbsp; However, it might help you understand a little of what's going on anyway.<br><br>To get some idea of the world we're playing in, consider this.&nbsp; Most "medieval" settings conjure up images of knights in shining armor jousting each other, etc.&nbsp; We're going back a little farther in time.&nbsp; To understand the period, think of the Roman Empire (Gladiators and Julius Ceasar and all that.)<br><br>The Roman Empire got so big and corrupt (after several hundred years) that it began to break apart.&nbsp; In "northern" Europe (Germany, France, etc) there were barbarian tribes who began to defeat Roman armies.&nbsp; In Italy, major cities and their surrounding areas started becoming their own little kingdoms.&nbsp; Things like this don't happen overnight, but through long drawn out transitions.<br><br>Look at the big map ChaosLord posted the link to.&nbsp; Miragliano (and all those other places on the map with names) were like Italy, the cultural center of the Empire.&nbsp; Think of the Reikmarches as similar to France, Germany, Austria, etc (but smaller) .. barbarian tribes who evolved into their own kingdoms.&nbsp; So in my characters minds, Miragliano (and its neighboring kingdoms - ignore the words <em>principality</em> and <em>republic</em>) never descended into barbarism like the Reikmarches did when "The Empire" was breaking up.&nbsp; Sure, they had lots and lots of problems, as might be expected by the end of the world, but they maintained a higher standard of living .. (wearing clothes from flax and wool instead of animal skins, perhaps?) and are therefore more civilized than the more recently created principalities that joined together to make the Reikmar Protectorate (which I think I or someone also referred to as the Reikmar Compact?&nbsp; or maybe I'm imagining it.)<br><br>Keep in mind this happened over at least a couple hundred years, maybe more.&nbsp; So your character was never a barbarian, she was born in a nice house and wore real clothes and had servants and obviously learned to read.<br><br><span class="bbc_u">Pertaining to Royalty, Nobility, and Knights</span>:<br><br>Keep in mind that we're also talking about a very broad subject, over a broad area, over a broad time period.<br>Royalty refers to a king (or emperor, or a prince) and his immediate family, and sometimes a bit beyond the immediate family (inlaws, cousins).&nbsp; &nbsp;The oldest son of the king, who is planned to become king when the old king dies, is referred to as the Crown Prince.&nbsp; (I don't always use that term with Gilberto since he's an only child.)&nbsp; In some kingdoms, only a man can be the ruler, so a "queen" is simply the wife of the king.&nbsp; In others, a king's daughter can inherit the throne and become Queen.&nbsp; (Usually this is only if the king doesn't have a son.)&nbsp; &nbsp;It would be highly unusual for someone who became queen only because she married the king to remain queen after his death.&nbsp; (Unless she married the new king, wink wink)&nbsp; Otherwise, she becomes "Queen Mum" or "Dowager Queen" or something along those lines.&nbsp; <em>Queen Emeritus</em>?&nbsp; Anyway, to be the queen simply because she married the king doesn't mean she gets any formal ruling powers like signing decrees or even knighting someone.&nbsp; (Katelyn can't make Manfred a Duke.)&nbsp; She does have influence by virtue of who her husband is, of course, but the king is the guy in charge.&nbsp; I suppose she could further a political agenda by withholding sex from the king, but that would be on a case by case basis.<br><br><span class="bbc_u">Nobility</span> refers to someone who has been elevated to some special status to set him or her apart from the general population and even knights.&nbsp; It also means they owe the king a lot of favors, and their descendents owe the king's descendents a lot of favors.&nbsp; These are dukes, earls, counts, barons, and other titles that may have existed from time to time.&nbsp; The order I gave is sort of their order of rank, but this is in no way carved in stone.&nbsp; A baron could be richer, own more property, and have more influence with his king than an earl, but that isn't usually the case.&nbsp; <br><br>These titles usually carry with them control over some land and everyone who lives on it.&nbsp; Titles are usually passed from father to the eldest son.&nbsp; A wife of a nobleman can assume the feminine version of the same title (Duke, Dutchess).&nbsp; Again, depending on the time and place, a woman might also have a title in her own right.&nbsp; It is possible to hold more than one title, but usually they all pass to the eldest son.&nbsp; Again, and again and again, I say there are numerous exceptions depending on time and place (Over all of Europe and then some, over the space of a thousand years, things change).&nbsp; <br><br>In some places, if a duke has several sons and the oldest becomes duke when the father dies, the next son might become an earl, while the next son is a count, etc ... again, depending.&nbsp; This does not apply to the Royal Family of the UK, for instance, where all the Queen's kids are made a duke or dutchess - or in one case, he said he'd rather be an earl than a duke, though I don't know if he had a reason.&nbsp; As for the regular nobility, since the eldest son inherits the title (and all the land and people on it) then there's the problem of what to do with the younger brothers.&nbsp; For most, that meant the military.&nbsp; (NOTE CL's reference to families buying second and third sons admission into the elite winged lancers - that didn't mean there was an application fee - though there may have been one, or maybe some bribes -- but that it would be incredibly expensive to equip him in all the armor- including the fancy hat- and weapons and horses and servants to keep it all shiny for him.) <br>&nbsp;<br>In more recent times in England, the eldest son inherited the property, the next went into the military, and the third went into the church.&nbsp; Land = money and influence.&nbsp; That applied to the landed gentry, not just the nobles.&nbsp; The reason only one son (or if no sons, the next male relative) inherited the estate?&nbsp; Imagine a man with 99 acres of land.&nbsp; He has three sons, each of whom inherits 33 acres each. Each of these sons has three sons, who inherit 11 acres each.&nbsp; Then, each of them has three sons, who inherit not quite 3.7 acres.&nbsp; The next generation gets a little over an acre of land each.&nbsp; Not much land, not much influence, not much room to live, play, grow crops and livestock.&nbsp; That was the reason behind the dilemma of the daughters in <em>Pride and Prejudice</em> ... no son to inherit the estate, five unmarried girls, their cousin could kick them all out when he inherited the place and how would they get by?<br><br>But I digress.<br><br><span class="bbc_u">Knights</span>, you already know -- someone did something special so the king rewards them with a knighhood.&nbsp; It may or may not be inherited by one or more sons, depending.&nbsp; Knighthood is different than having a noble title, though a nobleman might also be knighted.&nbsp; A knight is simply in that social class between a commonor and a nobleman.<br><br>A knight can be just a general knight (knight bachelor) and not own any land or get anything out of it but an obligation to pay for expensive armor and weapons and horses and die for the king -- or he could be knighted into a particular order of chivalry (Order of the Bath, Order of the Thistle, etc.)&nbsp; then learn the secret handshake and go to meetings where they discuss things like what the order stands for and maybe pick a charity to support.&nbsp; With each order, there are classes of knighthood.&nbsp; Technically, not everyone who is made a member of the order can call himself "Sir" or "Dame".&nbsp; See, it's complicated.&nbsp; And it got complicated over time.<br><br>For the time period that inspired our roleplay, it would have been much more simple.&nbsp; You get knighted, you stick a "Sir" in front of your name - if you're a guy.&nbsp; Still, as CL said, we've strayed some from the historical example, and part of that straying involved me making Gilberto a member of every order of knighthood in the kingdom (there were five of them) plus a couple more that were from someplace else - The Crown Prince being a member of every order is a pretty common thing.<br><br>Of course nowadays people are knighted for writing poems or being movie stars, but historically it was a reward for kicking ass in battle or making some real contribution, like discovering penecillin.&nbsp; Or being born, if your father was a knight or nobleman.<br><br><span class="bbc_u">Font of honour</span> - the place the honor comes from - the head honcho of the country.&nbsp; It could be an Emperor, a king, or even a prince or a duke, if the country itself is a principality or a duchy and not just a subdivision of a kingdom. Generally, unlike what happens in some movies, a knight can't make someone else a knight.&nbsp; Neither can a baron or a duke.&nbsp; That honor can only come from THE person in charge of a whole "country" - such as the king.&nbsp; The same applies to making someone a nobleman -- meaning creating a new title, not inheriting one.&nbsp; &nbsp;Only an Emperor or King can do that, and it usually involves consultation with the Privy Council or something.&nbsp; Again, depending on time and place.<br><br>By the way, <em>several kingdoms</em> ruled by one person is an Empire.&nbsp; Because Great Britain once ruled over other places that kept their own rulers (India for instance) Victoria - who was usually referred to as "Queen Victoria" was, technically, also "Empress of India" while India still maintained various potentates and allowed them to rule over their own little heridetary kingdoms. (I think, my history's a little rusty.)&nbsp; So, when Gilberto talks about Katelyn deserving to be an Empress, he would do this by conquering other kingdoms and creating an Empire for her.<br><br>Another historical note you might not care about, Napolean overran pretty much all of Europe, much of the time fighting for "republicanism" -- we're all equal, we don't need a king, we don't need the noblility.&nbsp; Then he changed his mind.&nbsp; Since he'd taken over several kingdoms, he decided to proclaim himself Emperor.&nbsp; Then he made select family members and favorite generals kings over the kingdoms he captured.<br><br>=======<br><br>Now, a bit more about the setting.&nbsp; When the ancient "romanish" Empire was driven out of the Reikmarches, the barbarians took over, and as I said, they wore animal skins, didn't bathe, didn't listen to classical music, and feasted on raw meat.&nbsp; In the more civilized part of the world, like Miragliano, they maintained a bit of class.&nbsp; They had a "head start" on rebuilding civilization because they didn't sink as far when the Empire fell -- they continued farming, weaving, etc.&nbsp; They were building ships and engaging in international trade while Von Holstein's ancesters were still picking lice out of each others hair.&nbsp; So that's why there's a thriving middle class (wealthy merchants, craftsmen who make quality stuff, big ships, etc) in Miragliano and those other kingdoms that formed the basis of the old empire.&nbsp; Those in the Reikmarches are doing those things too, but they're a few years behind.&nbsp; (Remember CL talking about the luxurious palace and all the modern comforts making the king and prince weak, or something to that effect?) <br><br>You mentioned Katelyn being related to Gilberto's mother and therefore the only woman eligible to marry the king, or something like that.&nbsp; (I type this while signed off, so I can't refer to the posts now)&nbsp; This could fit in nicely, as the marriage was a political one, and when one wife died, another from the same family might be required in order to maintain the alliance that had been made?&nbsp; I can see that being written into the treaty.<br>In order to even be considered for marriage to a king, Gilberto's mother, and later Katelyn, would probably be at least the daughters of noblemen, if not a members of a royal family.&nbsp; (Daughters would also be entitled to some version of their father's title.. if only "Lady" so-and-so in some form.)&nbsp; Again, time and place would determine the applicable rules.<br><br>As per what CL said when I was asking about Gilberto having some title associated with another land, it's likely both women might have been required to relinquish whatever claims they had to family lands and titles in order to become the wife of a foreign king.&nbsp; However, a lot of the time a person who was the subject of one king might also hold titles in other kingdoms.&nbsp; Even the king himself.<br><br>The King of England might also be the Duke of Normandy (in France).&nbsp; In that case, a guy who was already Duke of Normandy invaded England and became King there.&nbsp; His decendents, who inherited the throne of England AND the Duchy of Normandy, would then have some justification for sending an army into France, so long as the part of France the army was in was Normandy, right?&nbsp; But things could get even more complicated with various families intermarrying, etc, so that at one time both the King of England and the King of France had reasons to claim the French throne.&nbsp; (I'm not really all that cultured, but I think in Shakespear's Henry the Fifth this is an issue, and there's this really long passage where some herald is explaining to England's King Henry why he should be King of France, too .. then to inject a bit of humor, he says "see, it's really quite simple" or words to that effect.&nbsp; Or maybe I have that all mixed up, but you get the idea.<br><br>Clear as mud?&nbsp; Glad I could help.<br><br>So, why do I mention the idea that Gilberto might hold some foreign title (and obligation?) ... because it could cause some interesting plot twist?&nbsp; Probably not, for him it would just be another badge to wear.&nbsp; As baron of some little barony in some foreign land, he wouldn't really be expected to send troops to fight for that king, if that king declared war on Miragliano.&nbsp; (The Duke of Normandy wouldn't send troops to fight for France against England, since he was also King of England, right?)&nbsp; However, it might provide opportunity for him to get involved in some other war -- justification if he wanted to, while nobody would expect him to feel obligated.<br><br>I also bring up the idea of a person holding these various titles because Manfred seems an ambitious young man, and Katelyn has a bit of influence with a king she happens to sleep with occasionally.<br><br>(wink wink)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>19-05-2013, 04:51:38</strong>
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				Found it, I think.&nbsp; Kinda hard to tell.&nbsp; It don't all look like English.<br><br>Sorry, just bored.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Then hear me, gracious sovereign, and you peers,<br>That owe yourselves, your lives and services<br>To this imperial throne. There is no bar<br>To make against your highness' claim to France<br>But this, which they produce from Pharamond,<br>'In terram Salicam mulieres ne succedant:'<br>'No woman shall succeed in Salique land:'<br>Which Salique land the French unjustly gloze<br>To be the realm of France, and Pharamond<br>The founder of this law and female bar.<br>Yet their own authors faithfully affirm<br>That the land Salique is in Germany,<br>Between the floods of Sala and of Elbe;<br>Where Charles the Great, having subdued the Saxons,<br>There left behind and settled certain French;<br>Who, holding in disdain the German women<br>For some dishonest manners of their life,<br>Establish'd then this law; to wit, no female<br>Should be inheritrix in Salique land:<br>Which Salique, as I said, 'twixt Elbe and Sala,<br>Is at this day in Germany call'd Meisen.<br>Then doth it well appear that Salique law<br>Was not devised for the realm of France:<br>Nor did the French possess the Salique land<br>Until four hundred one and twenty years<br>After defunction of King Pharamond,<br>Idly supposed the founder of this law;<br>Who died within the year of our redemption<br>Four hundred twenty-six; and Charles the Great<br>Subdued the Saxons, and did seat the French<br>Beyond the river Sala, in the year<br>Eight hundred five. Besides, their writers say,<br>King Pepin, which deposed Childeric,<br>Did, as heir general, being descended<br>Of Blithild, which was daughter to King Clothair,<br>Make claim and title to the crown of France.<br>Hugh Capet also, who usurped the crown<br>Of Charles the duke of Lorraine, sole heir male<br>Of the true line and stock of Charles the Great,<br>To find his title with some shows of truth,<br>'Through, in pure truth, it was corrupt and naught,<br>Convey'd himself as heir to the Lady Lingare,<br>Daughter to Charlemain, who was the son<br>To Lewis the emperor, and Lewis the son<br>Of Charles the Great. Also King Lewis the Tenth,<br>Who was sole heir to the usurper Capet,<br>Could not keep quiet in his conscience,<br>Wearing the crown of France, till satisfied<br>That fair Queen Isabel, his grandmother,<br>Was lineal of the Lady Ermengare,<br>Daughter to Charles the foresaid duke of Lorraine:<br>By the which marriage the line of Charles the Great<br>Was re-united to the crown of France.<br>So that, as clear as is the summer's sun.<br>King Pepin's title and Hugh Capet's claim,<br>King Lewis his satisfaction, all appear<br>To hold in right and title of the female:<br>So do the kings of France unto this day;<br>Howbeit they would hold up this Salique law<br>To bar your highness claiming from the female,<br>And rather choose to hide them in a net<br>Than amply to imbar their crooked titles<br>Usurp'd from you and your progenitors.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>21-05-2013, 10:52:45</strong>
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				Sorry I misread something and thought CL was going to post again before me. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>21-05-2013, 17:27:31</strong>
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				Hey no problem, I was hardly going to have time to post again over the weekend anyway. I'm cooking up a reply for ya'll right now though.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>21-05-2013, 20:40:39</strong>
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				Was referring to the Queen as "Kat" intentional on his part, <br><br>or intentional on the part of the player but not the character, <br><br>or totally unintented?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>21-05-2013, 20:56:47</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8263688#msg8263688">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 21-05-2013, 20:40:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Was referring to the Queen as "Kat" intentional on his part, <br><br>or intentional on the part of the player but not the character, <br><br>or totally unintented?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Totally unintended XD<br><br>I think we should play it though, maybe have the King and prince not quite realize right away?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 00:10:09</strong>
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				I'm between work and a meeting, hope to post something later tonight (weather permitting) ... just wanted to say that to be honest I think it would be a big stretch to think anyone wouldn't notice... it would be like having the president there for some official thing and someone addressing him as "Barry" ... I think everyone would notice right away.<br><br>But, if you want to keep it in, that's fine, I'll play everyone awkward, and now suspicious that there must be a pre-existing relationship there.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 00:12:00</strong>
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				If anyone can play it off, it'll be Manfred. He'll probably take the "She was like a big sister to me, the poor impoverished noble's son."
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 00:14:18</strong>
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				wait so is it my post or Tex's post?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 00:14:51</strong>
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				Either one, whoever has the time/gumption haha.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 00:15:13</strong>
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				I was going to work on a post tonight lol
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 23:01:05</strong>
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				Great post! But I think the proper term would be Miraglianese. Incidentally, Protectorate Citizens are Reiklanders or the less politically correct Borderlanders.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>22-05-2013, 23:16:42</strong>
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				Geez you guys are so damn fast XD
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 00:47:08</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8270235#msg8270235">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 22-05-2013, 23:16:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Geez you guys are so damn fast XD<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's because I'm excited.&nbsp; ;D
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticEnvy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 00:50:47</strong>
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				dont worry you will be much more excited soon&nbsp; O:)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 03:24:32</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8270724#msg8270724">Quote from: ChaoticEnvy on 23-05-2013, 00:50:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">dont worry you will be much more excited soon&nbsp; O:)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;;D<br><br><br>********<br><br>I was wanting to ask about the box the prince received as a gift.&nbsp; He directed Aldo to see if he could figure out the puzzle lock.&nbsp; &nbsp;My plan is to have Aldo trying to open it during the feast ... <br><br><span style="font-size: 8pt;" class="bbc_size"><em>Aldo was justified in being in his master's room during the feast.&nbsp; After all, the young prince had ordered him to see if he could solve the puzzle and unlock the box he'd been presented by Count von Holstein.&nbsp; In fact, it was his duty to ensure what was inside the box wouldn't harm the future king.</em></span><br><br>So would this completely screw up the master plan?&nbsp; If not, does he get it open, and what does he find?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 16:12:41</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8271575#msg8271575">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 23-05-2013, 03:24:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> ;D<br><br><br>********<br><br>I was wanting to ask about the box the prince received as a gift.&nbsp; He directed Aldo to see if he could figure out the puzzle lock.&nbsp; &nbsp;My plan is to have Aldo trying to open it during the feast ... <br><br><span style="font-size: 8pt;" class="bbc_size"><em>Aldo was justified in being in his master's room during the feast.&nbsp; After all, the young prince had ordered him to see if he could solve the puzzle and unlock the box he'd been presented by Count von Holstein.&nbsp; In fact, it was his duty to ensure what was inside the box wouldn't harm the future king.</em></span><br><br>So would this completely screw up the master plan?&nbsp; If not, does he get it open, and what does he find?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Aldo is not going to be able to get it open without a hammer and anvil, or tossing it into a furnace. I was figuring that Manfred would raise the issue of the puzzle box with Gilberto shortly, just after he suggests a particular remedy for the king.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 20:57:44</strong>
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				In my last post, physician has been summoned for the king.&nbsp; Either of you please feel free to bring the doctor in if you desire (taking into account how long it might take for him to arrive ... a minute or two?)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 21:14:02</strong>
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				I'd be happy to play the role of the physician, but I was thinking perhaps Katelyn in her next post could suggest that Manfred might know of some remedy? Keep up appearances at being concerned for her dear husband, even as she encourages the old man to cream his breeches beneath the feast table.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 21:24:57</strong>
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				I didn't necessarily see the physician as a role to play so much as someone to call attention to the king's distress, enabling Manfred to suggest a rememdy instead.&nbsp; On the other hand, the doctor could take a while to arrive, so all this could be done before he gets there ...&nbsp; <br><br>Also, his untimely arrival could interrupt the festivities under the table as well as above it.<br><br>Just trying to leave options.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 21:37:43</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8275385#msg8275385">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 23-05-2013, 21:24:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I didn't necessarily see the physician as a role to play so much as someone to call attention to the king's distress, enabling Manfred to suggest a rememdy instead.&nbsp; On the other hand, the doctor could take a while to arrive, so all this could be done before he gets there ...&nbsp; <br><br>Also, his untimely arrival could interrupt the festivities under the table as well as above it.<br><br>Just trying to leave options.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well we're all set then, you've prepared things perfectly for what's to come&nbsp; &gt;:)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NiceTexasGuy</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 21:48:21</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8275450#msg8275450">Quote from: chaoslord29 on 23-05-2013, 21:37:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well we're all set then, you've prepared things perfectly for what's to come&nbsp; &gt;:)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I aim to please, milord.<br><br>-----<br><br>Also, a question -- it's from the (Warhammer?) universe we're getting the map, right?&nbsp; I'm not really familiar with the game.&nbsp; So anyway, I finally got around to looking up Miragliano to find out a few things, like the city is actually built on a bunch of islands and travel is done by boats on canals ... and drinking water is brought in on barges (from upriver, I presume) are we making that canon?&nbsp; <br><br>Also, I was wondering about threats on the borders... are we also making the Skaven canon?&nbsp; From what I could tell, they appear to be big rats, right?&nbsp; Perhaps rats who are well enough organized to be a threat, though not so much that they'll form an army and march on the capital?&nbsp; (I keep thinking of ROUS's from Princess Bride, only more sentient?)&nbsp; Are there dwarfs and elves, also?&nbsp; And what part do they play?&nbsp; I presume they'll all keep to themselves, but there's still the potential for some interaction (and trouble?) since the Miraglianese are interested in gold in the northern mountains (something I made up earlier.)<br><br>I don't see it as being hugely important to the plot, just thinking of rounding out the characters .. like the king spent most of his life at war against other people, but maybe now that it's mostly peaceful, the only threat is the nominal threat posed to outlying farms and villages by the skaven on the border?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 21:49:47</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=173582.msg8275494#msg8275494">Quote from: NiceTexasGuy on 23-05-2013, 21:48:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I aim to please, milord.<br><br>-----<br><br>Also, a question -- it's from the (Warhammer?) universe we're getting the map, right?&nbsp; I'm not really familiar with the game.&nbsp; So anyway, I finally got around to looking up Miragliano to find out a few things, like the city is actually built on a bunch of islands and travel is done by boats on canals ... and drinking water is brought in on barges (from upriver, I presume) are we making that canon?&nbsp; <br><br>Also, I was wondering about threats on the borders... are we also making the Skaven canon?&nbsp; From what I could tell, they appear to be big rats, right?&nbsp; Perhaps rats who are well enough organized to be a threat, though not so much that they'll form an army and march on the capital?&nbsp; (I keep thinking of ROUS's from Princess Bride, only more sentient?)&nbsp; Are there dwarfs and elves, also?&nbsp; And what part do they play?&nbsp; I presume they'll all keep to themselves, but there's still the potential for some interaction (and trouble?) since the Miraglianese are interested in gold in the northern mountains (something I made up earlier.)<br><br>I don't see it as being hugely important to the plot, just thinking of rounding out the characters .. like the king spent most of his life at war against other people, but maybe now that it's mostly peaceful, the only threat is the nominal threat posed to outlying farms and villages by the skaven on the border?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>My next post should help do exactly that, but let me finish it and get some lunch before I go into greater detail haha.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>23-05-2013, 23:22:28</strong>
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				Okay, so Warhammer Fantasy is the model for the world we're currently using, and let me tell you, it's a big world. It does however lack an analogue of the Roman Empire or Republic. There is an analogue for the Holy Roman Empire (forged out of the central region of the Old World by Sigmar, the Man-God), but since that's more or less what the Border Princes have become since the Protectorate, let's dispense with that as well.<br><br>I like the idea of keeping the general demographics though of fantasy races, and there's a good mix of them, so let's establish a baseline:<br><br><br>Elves- Pretty standard: Immortal, tall, pointy-eared, fair folk of great magical prowess and whatever else they generally put their minds to. Have been on the decline for going on a millennium, ever since the majority of their magic was used to seal away some great demonic invasion on a world wide scale. Elves were forced to abandon their cities and empire on the main continent and retreat to their island nation to lick their wounds and consolidate what was left of their power. Some elves stayed behind, hid their cities in great mystical forests and have gone 'feral' for lack of a better term. Neither faction is on good terms with one another, and both see humans as upstart striplings.<br><br><br>Dwarves- Again, pretty standard. Short, angry, drunks with long memories for grudges; excellent craftsman, smiths, engineers. Dwarves occupy their mountain fortress cities, owing fealty to the Dwarf King and were longtime allies of the Old Empire, but not strictly speaking subject to its rule. They're content not to get involved, and wage their nigh constant war against the forces which inhabit the darker caverns of the world (Night Goblins, Skaven, etc.)<br><br><br>Skaven- Rat people, plain and simple. Anthropomorphized mutant rodents with tunnel systems that some say span the globe. Secretive and conspiratorial, they wage a secret war against all other surface species, preferring sabotage and espionage to open warfare, and thus, their existence is largely though of as a myth in the civilized world. The Dwarves constantly seek to root out and destroy Skaven dens and strongholds, and are their most hated foe next to the Night Goblins.<br><br>Greenskins- A catch all term for Orks, Goblins, and their various subspecies (Grots, Nightgoblins, Gnobblars, Trolls, Hobgoblins, Squigs, etc.), utilized because of their slightly increased predilection kill anything that doesn’t have green skin, as opposed to one another. Goblins are stunted, impish little creatures, vicious and cowardly, but with the sort of mob mentality to put your standard witch hunt to shame. Night Goblins are a slightly more crafty and cunning subterranean variety, the bane of Dwarves and Skaven alike, but easily cowed within the light of day. Orks are the larger cousins of goblins, standing a head higher than most men, despite their universal hulking, hunched demeanor. Orks are natural bullies and thus, natural leaders amongst the Greenskins, more likely to organize scattered bands and clans and tribes into great hordes that if left unchecked will set whole kingdoms ablaze within a week. Trolls are truly monstrous in size, and proportionately less intelligent compared to orks and goblins, and naturally resistant to magic, found in much fewer numbers but every bit as omnipresent in anywhere off the beaten path of civilized lands. Hobgoblins are some bastard offspring of Goblin and Ork (and some say humans too) and are rarely found in the civilized lands, but are more militaristic and disciplined, famously the eternal foes of the Border Princes. (Ask me about any other specific varieties)<br><br><hr><br>Any specific questions? Comments? Suggestions to help establish where they all fit in the world? If not this particular RP lol?<br><br>I sure hope I didn't go overboard with Manfred's exploits&nbsp; &gt;:)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Wicked Succession OOC: Chaotic Envy, ChaosLord29, NiceTexasGuy</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>chaoslord29</strong> on <strong>31-05-2013, 19:21:52</strong>
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				Sorry for my absence since the Memorial Day weekend, I've been busy preparing to move into a new apartment.
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