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							<font color="SeaGreen">Here is where we will start Kyrian vs Iames/Aerin/Vera/Lyrak/Eloquent Rune/Virus/Gaheris Trial. <br>
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a few ground rules <br>
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everyone that is required for the trial will be heard (I will determine if your voice needs to be heard)<br>
I will tolerate no disruptions in the courtroom (you will be asked to leave, if you don't I will call the police and they will cart you off in handcuffs)<br>
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Will Kyrian, Iames, Aerin, Vera, Lyrak, Eloquent Rune, Virus and Gaheris please appear before me.<br>
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Iames, Aerin, Vera, Lyrak, Eloquent Rune, Virus and Gaheris is accused of assaulting Kyrian.</font><br>
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details— <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17653&amp;page=12" target="_blank">http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...=17653&amp;page=12</a><br>
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<font color="seagreen">Would Iames, Aerin, Vera, Lyrak, Eloquent Rune, Virus and Gaheris please state your pleas for the record.<br>
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Since there are so many people involved we will bring them up to the stand one at a time to hear their testimony and determine innocence or guilt one at a time. </font> <br>
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Hawkeye<br>
Indurain<br>
El Jaspero<br>
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							<font color="Purple"><font color="Black"><font color="Purple">No, I did not. I assumed, as is generally the case, that when an officer of the law requests a suspect to come quietly, and the suspect in question responds with laughter, that the suspect is refusing to comply. If this was not the case, am I truly fault for misinterpreting your laughter, or are you at fault for failing to make it clear what you meant?</font><br>
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							<font color="MediumTurquoise">"Your honour, as I most clearly stated, I never meant to imply that Kyrian did not have such rights. I merely wish it be made clear for all partied involved precisely the details of the law they have violated. Looking far back through the town records, I have managed to find the cases you mentioned. <br>
"<a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17806" target="_blank">The Frenric, Krystal, and LLamma vs. Wraith of Balance Trial</a> provides little or no backing information on the nature of assault in the town; the wraith's attack fits the dictionary definition of the word and does not include any element of consideration towards self-defense or the harm done to the victims, since neither were a matter of question in that particular trial. Therefore, it does not serve to clear up the law for our pursoses.<br>
"<a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17857" target="_blank">The GufiPOlice vs. Rain Trial</a> does little more to shed light on the situation, since Rain's guilty plea made courtroom discussion of the threat to her kittens impossible. While it shows that violence in defense of another can be considered assault, it does not clarify what conditions apply; if Rain's actions had more rational backing, per say, would she still have been guilty? This trial also does not delve into the actual threat and harm to victim.<br>
<a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18183" target="_blank">The Kord vs. Fishies Trial</a> is a similar condition, it does not address the points I raised in question about this law.<br>
"Your honour, to allow this trial to continue in a reasonable and efficient manner, I most humbly, but urgently, request further definition on at least the two points to the law I have raised. Additionally, I would like to note that these court records were veritably <i>buried</i> in the general Town Records, being at least five pages back, one entry twelve of the total fourteen pages into the records. In the future, links to laws or a general location for them would be most helpful for expiated trials and for a superior general understanding of the laws. It is difficult to expect people not to break a law they do not know of, I'm sure you'll admit."</font><br>
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OOC: To remove all of Aercath's fancy-talk, I pretty much jsut need to know if it is still assault if: a) reasonable people would feel threatened enough to defend themself in the given situation, b) there is no actual threat to the victim, and c) the victim was being apprehended for crimes commited for which they were to be arrested.
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							<font color="SeaGreen">Iames, thank you, you may step down.  <br>
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							<font color="MediumTurquoise">"Iames has made a guilty plea to the crime of assault, so there is not any question that he has assaulted Kyrian. However, your honour, several mitigating factors to his crime should be looked into. At first, he was no assaulting Kyrian, he was trying to subdue and restrain a wanted murdered under his duty as an offier of the law. Given Kyrian's divinity and the seriousness of his crimes, Iames didn't use an inappropriate amount of force, and given Kyrian's previous resistance of arrest, did not jump to an unwarranted conclusion. He was acting in his duty to protect the citizens of the town based on solid, reasonable judgements, until the dark got out. The dark takes over Iames judgement, and does not allow him moral judgement in the normal sense; when under the influence of the dark, Iames is essentially criminally insane. His only wrong in this case was letting his dark side out, something he also did for the greater good, when his earlier statement is viewed. So, your honour, I request that when sentencing Iames, you look to his defensive, duty-bound actions early on, noble motives, and the fact of his impared judgement under the influence of the Dark. While Iames assaulted Kyrian, his actions were not of malicious intent, and he only technically commited the crime. When the spirit of offense is taken into question, Iames has not assaulted Kyrian. He is guilty on a legal technicality and as the restult of his dark side's control, nothing more than that. I'd request, on account of all this and his guilty plea, the minimum possible offense."</font>
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<font color="SeaGreen">Aerin, so the dark escapes and you and Iames let it run about doing whatever until you're sure it's satisfied?  Is there a safer way to do this?</font><br>
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He thinks a moment. <font color="green">"I think Eloquent_Rune and Virus were the ones who kept pressing the attack; Veradani seemed ready to strike, but ultimately did not, apparently at some cost to herself."</font></div>
			
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							Gwen looks through her records.<br>
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							"That there are trials does not mean that there is a law," Gaheris protested.  "I can cite reams of precedent for 'trials' based on the whims of rulers rather than written law, which is what this appears to be given the total absence of an assault statute.  Furthermore, charges based on laws that had not been formulated at the time of the alleged offense, to say nothing of still being unformulated at the time of the trial, are simply <i>ex post facto</i> and illegitimate."<br>
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							<font color="mediumturquoise">So, it is against the law, even though it has not yet been codified into law?</font><font color="#48d1cc"> Honestly, if a law can be enforced before it is codified, that essentially gives no legal basis on which to operate. You're enforcing a law that isn't there. You have previously refused to give me details on what the law does and does not entail. You are essentially expecting my clients to know not only of, but know the minute specifics of a <i>law that does not even exist. </i></font><br>
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<font color="Green">"Judge Gwen has asked me to take up this case for her, and I have gladly accepted.   I have reviewed this case and am prepared to take up where she has stepped away, but be aware that I have very little tolerance for courtroom shenanigans and haggling.   <i>Any</i> more of this nonsense about the Town's lack of a formal legal code and I will charge the speaker with contempt of court and have them removed.   This Town operates on an informal legal system of common sense, good roleplaying, and common law."<br>
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<font color="Black">His gaze takes in the entire room, but rests on Gaheris, Wukei, and Aercath in particular.    <font color="Green">"If you want a fully-described legal code, you are welcome to create it.   <i>In your own town.</i>   Your participation here indicates an implicit willingness to obey and follow its legal code, whether or not you agree with its structure or lack thereof."<br>
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							He nodded.  "I entered Hookah Hank's on the night in question with no idea that Kyrian was present in the building.  At this point, I did not know that Kyrian was a god; though I'd been told, I did not fully believe it.  I did know that Kyrian was a murder suspect and that he had previously killed Lyrak, so when I saw them both in the building, I moved to sit next to Lyrak, in case Kyrian should try to kill him again.  After sitting at Lyrak's table, I heard Kyrian say that Iames was coming, and 'bringing his whores with him,' was the phrasing I believe he used," he said, with a short but meaningful glance towards Aerin.  <br>
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"I told Lyrak to prepare himself, because I had no idea what to expect from Kyrian, but whatever he did, I expected it to be violent given what I knew of his history.  Shortly thereafter, Detective Iames and Officers Verdandi and Hitomi appeared in Hookah Hank's, seemingly via teleportation, and informed Kyrian that both he and Arha were under arrest and that the police were authorized to use force if they did not come quietly.  Kyrian responded with a laugh and made no move to surrender.<br>
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"Iames responded to this defiance with some form of magical or psionic effect that seemed to imprison Arha, though Kyrian quickly dispelled it.  Arha then disappeared into Kyrian, seeming to simply flow into his body and vanish.<br>
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"At this point, I saw that one of the suspects had escaped and the other seemed likely to either attempt escape himself or fight, given that he had already used magical abilities to resist.  At this point I responded by attempting to use a magical device of mine, known as the <i>iron bands of Bilarro</i>, on Kyrian.  <br>
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"The iron bands are a relatively simple device; they take the form of a small sphere of metal that expands into a set of interlocking iron hoops when thrown at a creature and attempts to ensnare that creature.  It does not harm the target; it merely renders him immobile.<br>
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"Kyrian [against all laws of motion,] managed to deflect this mass of iron by firing a single bullet at it, causing it to move off course and miss him.  Iames had already responded to the evident refusal to come by firing some form of magical ray at Kyrian.  At this point, I'm fairly certain the Dark manifested; Iames' eyes changed color to a bright yellow and he removed his badge before firing his sidearm at Kyrian.  <br>
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"At this point, I saw that conventional measures weren't going to affect Kyrian in the slightest.  Having little fear of actually managing to kill him, I attempted to distract him by throwing a hookah in his direction, but he seemed not to notice.  I then moved in closer so that I could attack him more directly if necessary.  <br>
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"At this point, Alarra and our honorable judge," he continued, casting a sidelong glance at the bench next to him, "entered the bar.  As they walked in, Iames nearly disintegrated me with a missed attack against Kyrian.  At this point I demanded surrender, with the same effect as the earlier arrest notice.  I then attempted to render Kyrian unconscious with a blow to the back of the head, which completely failed to phase him.  <br>
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"After that, El Jaspero and Alarra attempted to reason with Kyrian.  I took the opportunity to back off and retrieve my <i>iron bands</i>, and did not attack further.  After Kyrian agreed to surrender, I set about healing the bar's chef, who had somehow managed to become trapped under a broken table out front despite having been in the back all night."  [Ah, the joys of broken continuity. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smalltongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Tongue" class="inlineimg" yn0yryhxn="">]  <br>
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<font color="Black">He shuffles the papers on his desk.   <font color="Green">"That said, I also cannot condone complete anarchy, where everyone is allowed to define law and hand out punishment as they see fit.   My understanding of the incident is that you did not identify yourself as a paladin of Tyr; not only did you fail to request Kyrian's surrender, it appears you barely bothered to talk to him at all.   I encourage you in the future to explore your alternatives before drawing a weapon."<br>
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<font color="darkorange">My perspective on the fight between Kyrain at the Hookah bar was that I was trying to help the police arrest him, and I was trying to just do my job as the bouncer of Hookah Hank's . <b>I did stop attacking and backed off, but then when my boss came in and was told the situation he told me to attack again</b> and I couldn't argue with him due to the fact that the job I have there is important to me. After that though the situation is a slight blur to me.</font></div>
			
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				<div class="message">Virus finaly hears the commotion and comes out from the back...<br>
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"WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!!"<br>
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</div><font color="Navy">As shown here, Virus <b>did not</b> order Eloquent to attack me again, yet here:<br>
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				<div class="message"><font color="orange">Hey, haven't seen you in a while boss. There is a small brawl here if you haven't heard it through the walls</font><br>
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							<font color="blue">Your honor, my client didn't try to kill Kyrian.  I doubt he even could seeing how Kyrian is a divine being.  He was in no real danger from these attacks, as was evident by his lack of reaction to them.  And it was no street gang that attacked him but several officers of the law.  But that doesn't matter.  In your example if the bouncer sees that the only way to prevent a fight in his place of employment he is within his rights to ask the innocent patron to leave, and even throw him out.  Most establishments have a long standing tradition of having the right to refuse anyone service.  Esspecially if they are causing trouble, but even if they aren't.  I'm not saying this is the moral thing to do, but <b>I'm</b> not here to debate morals.</font>
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							<font color="black"><font color="blue">ER was put in a very difficult position the night in question.  Here he was charged with the duty of protecting Hank's and the patrons within it.  Then come Kyrian and Arha.  They sit down for a meal and suddenly in pops several members of the police force to arrest Kyrian for several murders.  Kyrian shows no sign of going peacefully and stopped any attempt to hold him non-violently.  ER was forced to make a decision.   A fight that could very well destroy Hank’s was about to break out and even though Kyrian made no attack against the officers he could at any moment.  ER recognized that the quickest way to put an end to this fight was to help capture Kyrian.  If ER had tried to throw out or attack the officers he would have been in court today defending himself against charges of interfering with police business.  So ER did the only thing his duty allowed him to do, try to help the officers restrain Kyrian before the officers destroyed Hank’s attempting to capture the uncooperative Kyrian.</font></font><br>
<font color="black"><font color="blue">The prosecution might try to make you believe that ER used excessive force in this case, yet Kyrian wasn’t harmed in the slightest by ER’s efforts.  He didn’t react to them at all.  And the prosecution didn’t show one case of ER’s attacks actually hitting, just that he attempted to.  Your honor I would hate to see this man punished for doing his job, and making a difficult choice.</font>  </font>
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<font color="Green">"This is a challenging case indeed, made no less so by its delays and proliferation of lawyers.  McBish, I find your arguments callous in the best of light and getting ever closer to wicked the closer I examine them.   It was indeed your client's duty to protect the establishment, and I would be much more likely to believe that argument <i>had he ever requested that Kyrian leave.</i>   Instead he leaped into the fray and immediately attacked the one person in the combat who was not, in fact, endangering Hookah Hank's at all.<br>
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