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							Well, trying something new in the arena. Lets see how it goes. <br>
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Need twenty people max, with character sheets drawn up to fight a championship battle. Heres the rules. <br>
25th ECL<br>
No ECL lowering plays, only 25. Racial and class. <br>
2,500,000 starting GP. <br>
For starting stats, Yatzee methood. Click below if you dont know what that is. <br>
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<div class="spoiler-body-show" name="spoiler-body"> Roll 4d6, re roll ones and twos. Drop the lowest number. <br>
If all four dice are the same number, ie: 4 fours, add two. Heres what it would look like...<br>
4 threes, 11 total<br>
4 fours, 14 total<br>
4 fives, 17 total<br>
4 sixes, 20 total <br>
now assign as you see fit.  <br>
If you use <a href="http://www.invisiblecastle.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.invisiblecastle.com</a> dice roller, put "4d6.minroll(3)" and you will get what you want. Please link those to one of the judges, or here, when you complete. </div>
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Homebrew designs OK, but must be reviewed by Earin, Myself, and/or Amiria. (We have all be judges of a sort...) <br>
Excessive stacking OK, but keep your buget in mind. <br>
Must be Humanoid. No oozes, dragons, etc. <br>
No instant death affects. <br>
All matches will be gentilmens matches, with five rounds to prepair. <br>
The arena may or may not change fight to fight. Ill keep you guessing. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg" dp37oj0i0=""> <br>
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To apply, please post your finished character here, and myself and the other two shall review it. <br>
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((Earin, Amiria, if you dont want to be a part, let me know, and I will edit this.)) <br>
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Anyone who has fought, or wishes to fight is welcome. <br>
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It will be double elimanation, so dont worry about winning the first one. Youll have a second chance. <br>
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and one last thing. If I dont make it to the final two, I reserve the right to battle the winner, as a matter of pride. Then, if you beat me, you will be the new arena champion, no questions asked. <br>
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So, let the applications begin!!! (first come, first serve...)
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							*Death wonders what the reapers ECL is. Actually he just wonders what on earth a ECL is*
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							Cant say exactly, but I know that it means Racial mod, + class levels, = total challange rating. <br>
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							Please check the OOC Arena thread, where I have listed all the current rules.<br>
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							I will reserve 2 spots.<br>
<strike>1 for Kyas, a lvl 25 favoured soul (human for arena battles, but she would otherwise be a Thri-Kreen)</strike><br>
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Edit: O ya, and reserve a space for me, wouldya?<br>
Another Edit: It wouldent be against a Paladins alignment to fight in this arena would it? ( no promisies to be a Pally, just curious)
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							Ok, to clarify some things. I would prefer it if it was only one characer per player, so pick your best one. That way, more can join in. As for the character creation, I will edit my top post. <br>
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				<div class="message">Hmmm, what type of really big, good items are you talking about? Cause I have already got my armor, weapon, and stat necessitys (belt of giant str. for example), and Ive barely got 500,000 spent! <img src="images/smilies/stick/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Annoyed" class="inlineimg" dp37oj0i0=""> My problem is finding enought stuff to buy.</div>
			
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							You can use character classes and prestige classes from other books than the standard right? Like the Psionics handbook (cause I was planning to be a pyrokineticist <img src="images/smilies/stick/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Biggrin" class="inlineimg" dp37oj0i0="">)<br>
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							and I belive that would make the uber item I was talking about eiler make sense...<br>
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							They dont!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!<br>
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							rod of invunerability? No not really, as you can't hold weapons if you have it.<br>
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				<div class="message">They dont!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!<br>
O ya, and I thought spell resistance doesnt work on psionics?<br>
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Edit: Wait, tomes give you a premanent boost, so that can stack with things like a belt of giant str. right?</div>
			
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</div>Read the DMG to see what stacks with what.<br>
Its like pge 10.<br>
The tomes and belt do stack as tomes grant an inherrant bonus while the belt an enhancement.<br>
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</div>Well, the rod is not two-handed so you can still wield it and a one-handed weapon at the same time.<br>
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But yeah, it's a bad choice. The natural armor, resistance, and immunity to critical hits stuff can be emulated at lower cost with non-epic items.<br>
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The damage reduction is useless against adamantine weapons which are omnipresent in these arena fights.<br>
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							^ The POWER of MORTEKEINS DISJUNCTION!<br>
Having many items rather than just a couple of expensive ones is especially important when you face opponents like me.<br>
Because you are likely to fail at least 1 save, and if you do, you don't want all of your bonuses to go at the same time.<br>
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SR is usefull though agaist multi-class characters that centre on combat.<br>
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please PM me if im in (ill try n keep tabs on this but im useless)<br>
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Im choosing not to taske natural spell in a bid to get chosen :)<br>
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When sending your stats to any of the judges, be sure to list the EXACT ORDER in which you took your classes. This is extremely important for calculating saves, since you stop getting them after 20th level, and switch to the epic bonus.<br>
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							How do potions, staffs, and other 1 time use items work in the arena. Meaning, If I go in with 5 potions of cure critical wounds and walk out with only two, will I start my next battle with only 2?<br>
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							Ok, Im finally done. So I present to you Fellian:<br>
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<a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1118" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1118</a> (this is read only, right?)<br>
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Hes basically a tank with a passion for fire (although his AC seems a little low, if only fullplate allowed a higher dex bonus <img src="images/smilies/stick/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" yhyf9o42o="">).<br>
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And here are his rolls:<br>
<a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?u=Fellian+Stats&amp;limit=on" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?u...Stats&amp;limit=on</a><br>
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Edit: Ive noticed that, well all of the participents Ive heard of so far are casters except for my character. Am I in trouble?<br>
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</div>If you have no SR, no spells, and no real way to prevent from getting by spells? Honestly, yes.<br>
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Your armour isn't right.<br>
Great invunrability doesn't grant damage reduction 10/epic<br>
It grants 10/+2</div>
			
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				Great Invulnerability<br>
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This suit of armor or shield grants the wearer damage reduction. The damage reduction can be 10/magic, 15/magic, 5/epic, or 10/epic, depending on the armor.
			
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</div>And that item affinity thing is so retarded... don't bother with it. There is really no purpose to it.<br>
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							Ok, Ill change what needs it. But I got the Vest of Resistance from Complete Arcane, and it says that a +5 bonus costs 25,000(unless thats only for arcane casters, which it didnt say).<br>
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O, and I can make an item that normally belongs on you neck (for example, belong on your eyes for a mere price increase of 1.5 percent!? Man, then I would have just made googles of health instead of resorting to all those manuals. (and the +10 manual was supposed to represent 2 +5's, but now I know that would be wrong as well)<br>
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							if you spend twice an items actual cost, then you can have a "slotless" item that doesn't sit on your body.<br>
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							Hmmmm, nice! But I will definatly need more time to make up items and the such. <br>
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Edit: Ha! just had an idea!<br>
Armour, Ultralight. (wonderous item)<br>
When adorned, this silvery robe takes the shape of a shiny fullplate suit of armour, giving you a +8 to your armor bonus. Because of its extreme lightness and flexability, you take no penaltys normal fullplate would give you, nor does this count as being armour at all. This otherwise functions exactly like bracers of armour +8. <br>
Price 96,000gp<br>
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(hey, a fighters got to look the part <img src="images/smilies/stick/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Biggrin" class="inlineimg" yhyf9o42o="">)<br>
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</div>No, Rakhsicz isn't a caster. If you do it right you can beat a caster with a non-caster.<br>
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As for the robe, there is also Dyrr's Impervious Vestment in Complete Arcane whch gives a +9 armor bonus plus something else.<br>
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About <b>Armor of Great Invulnerability</b>: Thats all 3.0 damage reduction. You have to look in the SRD, the epic section is updated to 3.5 there.<br>
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<b>Great Invulnerability:</b> This suit of armour or shield grants the wearer damage reduction 10/+2, 15/+3, 20/+4 or 25/+5, depending on the armour.<br>
<i>Caster Level:</i> 19th (10/+2), 20th (15/+3), 21st (20/+4), 22 (25/+5); <i>Prerequisites:</i><br>
Craft magic arms and armour, Craft epic magic arms and armour, <i>stoneskin, wish,</i> or<i> miracle; Market price:</i> +4 bonus (10/+2), +5 bonus (15/+3), +6 bonus (20/+4), +7 bonus (25/+5).<br>
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</div>That must be from the 3.0 Epic Level Handbook.  Damage reduction X/+1 etc. does not exist in 3.5, only DR X/magic and X/epic.  The <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/magicItems/armor.htm#greatInvulnerability" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">SRD entry</a> is the 3.5 version.
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							Earlier I read a post (#37) about price of magic weapons that I think was wrong<br>
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Ah, no, read the footnote. If you have an 'unbalanced' weapon that is +6 or above, then it uses the epic price. Namely if either the total special abilities or the total attack/damage bonus go past +6, you use the normal-epic price range. If you had a +5 vorpal sword it would be 200,000. If you had a +1 vorpal, quick sword it would be 2,000,000  <br>
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To find the base price of an epic magic weapon, roll on Table: Weapons. Note that the +6 to +10 rows apply only to weapons that provide an enhancement bonus of +6 to +10 or weapons with a single special ability whose market price modifier is +6 to +10. Magic weapons with a total effective bonus of +6 to +10 but that have an enhancement bonus of +5 or less and special abilities whose individual market price modifiers are +5 or less use the table for nonepic magic weapons to determine price.  <br>
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							Ah, Vael, you are correct, I was thinking that one was Insight and the other was Inherent, it will be fixed.<br>
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							I need the full description of anything not in the SRD.<br>
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</div>That may hurt my fingers...or your eyes....probably my fingers will be the most affected...<br>
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And on the whole damage increasing scale, what does 2d8 increase to? 3d8?</div>
			
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</div>Boots of Swiftness? Those are either non-SRD, or 3.0, or do not exist. Which is it?<br>
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As the speed increasing component spell is Expeditious retreat, I would say it applied to base land speed.
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							Tada, <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the improved character, named Ashlack Van'teir.<br>
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							Death effects do take away from the game. I meen its like, "I win innitiative, I move closer to my opponate (bad spelling), I cast Wail of the Banshee. Hes dead, I win......... is that it?......"<br>
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I mean, it is hard to fail a death inducing save, but it happens, and when it does, you will find your victory bittersweet. (unless of corse your Vael, making your opponent slash himself to death. Now that must have been funny <img src="images/smilies/stick/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" jxbji481d="">) And dont think im just saying this because im a fighter, my levels in Pyrokineticist have givven me a few death inducing abilities as well.
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							I would say no. I know that the description says that they double ALL speed, but they are boots. You dont run in the air. <br>
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Earin, I agree with you. I say no.<br>
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If you leave the arena, your disqualified. So, that tatic seems good, but you would loose. <br>
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Thats why we have the no death affect rule in place, to make people earn it. And spell casters do more than death affects. They have an arsonal at their disposal, as well as self enhansing atributes. It in no way cripples them.
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Round 1-4 summon creatures, round 5 free action to command attack while casting teleport to go to some safe place and return 20 rounds later to see if your beasties won.  Sound within the rules?</div>
			
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							Ive never really used DR so I have a quick, easy question: If you have dr 10/magic, then you ignore the first 10 points of all damage exept magic, right? Just like if you had 10/slashing, then you would ignore the first 10 points of all damageexept from slashing damage.
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							If you have DR 10/magic, you ignore the first 10 points of <b>weapon</b> damage (that includes natural weapons but not spells unless they specifically say they attack as weapons) that is dealt by weapons that do not have an enhancement bonus. At level 25, I rather doubt anyone even bothers to carry such weapons any more, except perhaps a dagger to eat with, so it's almost completely useless.<br>
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I don't like them as my character doesn't use them, but they are still necessary.</div>
			
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</div>My character disagrees.  There isn't a single save-or-die spell on his entire list of spells known.  He uses Delayed Blast Fireball and Polar Ray, pumped up with a ridiculous amount of metamagic, instead.  Maximized (with metamagic rod) Time Stop plus two Delayed Blast Fireballs (one quickened) cast each round, all timed to go off when the Time Stop ends...  What's your success rate on reflex saves, again?  Oh, and your reflex save won't really matter if you don't have evasion.
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							Correct, any given metamagic feat can only be applied once regardless of how you get it unless something specifically states otherwise.  Plus, the only metamagic rod I have is a single Greater Maximize, and that's reserved for Time Stop.  You don't want to know how many metamagic feats I have and how much I've reduced the cost of applying them.  You really don't.<br>
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And this ring, it grants immunity against mind affecting spells? Can you give me its name and any other stats needed (I do not own that book), although theres no guarentee Ill use it. But I do need a ring slot.
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							If your opponent is actually etherial, then just wait for him to come back - he can't affect you at all in any way until he does. If he's merely incorporeal, spells and magical weapons still have a 50% chance to hit. For weapons, the Ghost Touch property can get rid of that 50% miss chance for a mere +1. For spells, you'll need to either end his incorporeality (might not be possible if it wasn't achieved using a spell) or use the Transdimensional Spell metamagic feat from Complete Arcane. Note also that any abjuration spell (including such things as Dispel Magic) extends to the etherial plane so no metamagic is needed for them and they can also be used on truly etherial targets rather than just incorporeal ones (<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#etherealness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">reference</a>).<br>
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							Hmmm, but lets say (as noted above), that my opponent summons a few monsters before he goes etheral, how do I get to him then? It says that spells cast WHILE etheral dont effect material creatures, but what about before? Or would the monsters just not follow the command anymore and dissapear? (ps: im mostly fighter, getting to him by spells is out of the question)<br>
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							In that case, the options I know of are:<br>
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							So with that time stop example, would the other combatant not have the 5 rds preparation?  Let's say the caster wins initiative, stops time to cast all those delayed spells, then restarts time 5,6, 10 rds later to go off immediately, then one combatant never had a round to act.
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							Does initiaive start before the 5 rounds of action or after?<br>
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				Maybe try the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#cloakofEtherealness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><b>Cloak of Etherealness</b></a> ? <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallamused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Amused" class="inlineimg" jxbji481d="">
			
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</div>It is fairly evident.<br>
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							Ok, I think im done. So here is Fellian:<br>
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							Im currently going over your homebrew, and I would have to say that it seems overpowered, but I am trying to find a way to tone it down a little. I will PM you when I have the results. <br>
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							Okay - I was expecting it to be a little over the top - I originally created it for an ECL60 arena, not an ECL25 one.<br>
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							Ok, fixed. Ya this is my first epic character ever and I just assumed that the BAB and save bonuses would just stay the same. Well you know what happens when you asume........<br>
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O, and the rolls are somewhere on page 5 or 4 I think.<br>
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							OOOOO, I just thought it would count as a slotless item because your basically putting it in another item. But, I see, it makes sense.<br>
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							flaws... hmmm... never heard of them.<br>
BTW I'm not sure that vael can have taken "improved manifester level" that many times.<br>
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							Mm hm. Normally. However, there are many flaws that can only be taken after level 1, or at least later made flaws. Check out realmshelp.dandello<br>
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							No. I refuse to say people can take epic feats by granting themselves flaws.<br>
-2 to ranged attacks to a psion who doesn't even know what a weapon is compared to 1 Manifester level?<br>
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							Well, it will be balanced if we all do it. <img src="images/smilies/stick/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" excevmrtd=""><br>
Just like it wasnt balanced when us lvl. 25 characters got 2,500,000 gold when a normal level 25 characters standard gold would be only 2,100,000, but we all got it.<br>
Edit: But Im not sure about this either, Ill just not take any. Although after taking a quick look over the feats, I did change my Epic Weapon Specialization to Two-Weapon Rend. Much better.
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							Note that on the page thats lists all possible feat types under the "flaws" section it says, can only be taken at first level.<br>
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							Go to this page:<a href="http://realmshelps.dandello.net/datafind/featsb.shtml" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://realmshelps.dandello.net/datafind/featsb.shtml</a><br>
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				Flaws are like the flip side of feats. Whereas a feat enables a character to be better than normal at performing a task (or even to do something that normal characters can't), a flaw restricts a character's capabilities or imposes a penalty of some sort. A player may select up to two flaws when creating a character. After 1st level, a character cannot take on additional flaws unless the DM specifically allows it (for examples of times when doing this might be appropriate, see Character Traits, Chapter 3, Unearthed Arcana). Each flaw a player selects entitles his character to a bonus feat. In other words, when you create a character, if you select two flaws, you can also take two bonus feats beyond those your character would be normally entitled to. Unlike traits , flaws are entirely negative in their impact on a character's capabilities.
			
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				After 1st level, a character cannot take on additional flaws unless the DM specifically allows it (for examples of times when doing this might be appropriate, see Character Traits, Chapter 3, Unearthed Arcana).
			
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							Notice the "Unless the DM allows it" part.<br>
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							I am the 'DM' because I got voted in by the council months back.<br>
Now the reason I actually have any authority at all (here at least) is because Mortia made this thread. He said 'we are having a fight like this' and you all decided to join. One of the things he said was that I was one of the three judges/DMs, and therefore I am. If you don't like his rules, tough cookie. He made it, it is his game and he can do it how he wants. As for the rest of the Arena, I am available to make rules, rulings and decisions <i><b><u>AS YOU DESIRE.</u></b></i> I in NO WAY have ANY authority beyond that which YOU give me. I am simply called the 'Arena Judge' because most people choose to use the rules I create and choose to use me as a judge, since the Council gave me the nice pretty title which I shine and put on my shelf.<br>
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</div>I disagree on flaws. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallfurious.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Furious" class="inlineimg" excevmrtd=""> <br>
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							Ok, some of those flaws are completely broken - they violate the most important rule in existence regarding flaws, "A flaw must have a meaningful effect regardless of character class or role." Some examples:<br>
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Aligned Devotion: My single level of cleric is enough to qualify, but the drawback is utterly meaningless even at mid levels. Who cares that your 2 or 3/day CLW might be less effective when you're not actually the party healer?<br>
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City Slicker: If you aren't the party tracker or nature expert the skill penalties are meaningless, and the requirement is absolutely trivial to meet with a single multiclass level and many characters wouldn't even need to multiclass or the choice of class wouldn't hurt at all - one level of barbarian for a melee fighter, or taking the Travel domain as a cleric? That's not a penalty at all.<br>
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Divine Gesture: As with Aligned Devotion, one level of cleric is all you need. With two domain abilities, turn undead to power Divine feats that don't care about your turning level, heavy armor proficiency, plus the ability to qualify for certain prestige classes is already enough to make a cleric dip attractive for some builds. A free feat on top of that is not necessary, and the penalty is meaningless for someone who isn't focusing on his divine spellcasting class. Heck, for my character I didn't even bother to pick his cleric spells because they'd be so weak as to be worthless at this level.<br>
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Domain Devotion: Again, too easy to qualify for with a 1-level dip.<br>
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Exhausting Rage: Both too easy to qualify for and usually meaningless - unless your combats last unusually long, a barbarian's not going to run out of duration on his rage until the encounter is over anyway.<br>
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Foe Specialist: Easy to qualify for without sacrificing anything significant for many builds, the penalty is much too small, and the selection of skills it applies to is nowhere near general enough. Feats that simply give penalties to skill checks have to be very careful to select skills that practically <i>everyone</i> will use. Note that the only SRD flaw with skill penalties puts them on Listen and Spot, which may quite frequently determine whether you get to act in a surprise round or not regardless of your build.<br>
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Forlorn: Plenty of people already think a dip in Sorcerer for True Strike and a few other low-level spells is well worth it for a fighter type. For those people, as well as the many people who consider familiars to be nothing but XP bombs, this is a complete freebie.<br>
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Light Sensitivity: The penalty is too small given its situational nature.<br>
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Loner: Same as Forlorn.<br>
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Loudmouth: Too many types of characters don't care at all about either of the skills penalized.<br>
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Magical Overload: Good for a 1-level dip.<br>
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Material Devotion: Yet another flaw for the 1-level dipper.<br>
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Methodical Magical Methods: and another one.<br>
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Ponderous Spellcaster: and another.<br>
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Restricted Sorcery: how many of these are there?<br>
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Terrain Specialist: The free Track feat Rangers get at level 1 makes it trivial for someone who has no interest in tracking at all to take this without significantly decreasing their melee fighting ability.
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							I'm not going to have an argument with you about who should/shouldn't be DM and nor am I trying to debase your power,<br>
But for a competion where EL reduction, nor death spells are allowed because they unballance the game because they are too easy to abuse, then why are we allowed epic feats from flaws? In fact, why are we allowed flaws at all?<br>
Sure flaws make my character 20% better, (really, I mean this) but they make everyone else better too and its just more tiny little details that we have to constantly worry about.<br>
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							. Maybe at lvl 25 you can take an epic flaw for an epic feat. Some funny suggestions.<br>
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Epic Pathetic- take -10 penalty to any ability score<br>
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Epic Poor reflex/Weak will/Meager fortitude- automatically fail corresponding save try<br>
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Epic Murky eyed- grant concealment to every one you attack, 4 miss rolls required if they have concealment and if any miss, then attack fails<br>
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Epic slow- base speed reduced in half (flying,swim,etc), land speed reduced to 5, and not allowed any 5' step
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							Hmmmm, now those ones seem a little over the top. I meen epic slow? Only being able to move 5 feet? No epic feat could make up for that.
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							By Epic level just fly evrywhere, who needs to walk?   Or dimension door everywhere.<br>
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							I would say yes on flaws, but make the flaws count. Heres the rules I sugest for flaws. <br>
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2 max. <br>
They must be battle centered, as a person who cant speak well affects combat not at all.<br>
one has to be taken at 1st lvl, and the other CAN be used for an epic feat. <br>
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And I dont think that something that is available to everyone makes it unfair. Its only unfair if one person gets it.<br>
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*oh, look. A page six...* <br>
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I would also say that after Vael has reveiwed all the characters, to post them here, to keep it fair. Almost everyone has seen my characters, every time Ive upgraded him. It makes it more fun when everyone can see the flaws in your character. Makes you think more when they exploit them... <br>
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Like Vael is doing to me now...
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							Here is my now complete character:<br>
<a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1289" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1289</a><br>
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And I just found an ability that effectively allows me to cast spells but also makes me immune to them.<br>
heh heh heh.<br>
I now love the permanent emnation feat.<br>
Lots.<br>
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							*Snort*<br>
Mortia, Vael would be doing the same thing to anyone. Take Deamundus for example.<br>
I'm exploiting your weakness, true, but notice that I have switched tactics entirely, and yet I am still capable of both tactics.<br>
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							Ok then, here's the character. The link will remain unchanged, but up until the first battle I reserve the right to add flaws and drastically change the scroll selection. Other than that, I think I'm good.<br>
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							You mean this?<br>
<a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=737000" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://invisiblecastle.com/find.py?id=737000</a><br>
Pretty good rolls.<br>
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Or did you just roll these?<br>
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18,16,16,16,16,16<br>
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				<div class="message">Ok then, here's the character. The link will remain unchanged, but up until the first battle I reserve the right to add flaws and drastically change the scroll selection. Other than that, I think I'm good.<br>
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Clicky</a><br>
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EDIT: I'm also relatively certain that a) none of your items will function within that antimagic field DK, and that most spells won't either. I'd love a judge ruling on that one, because if it <i>is </i>legal, it makes every caster here almost worthless and it would be somewhat pointless for me to remain in the tournament.</div>
			
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</div>Oh, no the thing is perfectly legal, but I can dismiss it and re-summon it as a free action so if I want I can supress it, gain the full bonuses of my magical abilities for the round then re-activate it.<br>
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And yes, it is completely legal to do so, and it isn't any more of rule abuse than using psionics to deal 300+ damage in a round.<br>
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Basically, everything must have something that can counter it, and I've found it.<br>
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I would apreciate it though If others didn't try to steal my idea....<br>
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And a way to bypass/dispell it you say?<br>
Apart of course from Mortekeins Disjunction?<br>
I shall have to look up the Psionics book.<br>
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							Ok, after reading over the feat permanent emanation, my question is this:<br>
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							It requires you to have the ability to cast the spell, and being a wizard with no school specialisation, I do.<br>
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You're pretty much right Vael, except that it cannot be removed permanently, just temporarily. Anything that could dispell it only supresses it for 2d4 rounds, which can easily be covered for.<br>
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							Actually, Vael vs my character would essentially be stalemate.<br>
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I couldn't get near him, as you can't fly in an anti-magic field, but he couldn't affect me with any spells/powers unless I suppressed it, but that won't happen for exactly that reason.<br>
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O, and I'm adding one more thing to my character.<br>
A mighty composite bow with arrows of ghost touch!<br>
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							The feat does not hint that you can not do it, but just curious that you can make permanent a spell that permanancy can not make permanent.<br>
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							The Thri-Kreen's favored class is ranger, the others are within the multiclass allowances.<br>
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							Geh...I would get absolutely <i>pwned</i> in the arena. I have no clue how to stat out my character (of course, it's also fairly doubtful that any of you know how to do mine either), and would get all bungled up with anything but the basic rules.
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							I take that as a challenge, Vinde.<br>
Lessee... you're a black dragon with psionic abilities, also one that is incorporeal for a large amount of time, right?<br>
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Ok, List of People's Characters for my benefit:<br>
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Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=529" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=529 </a><br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67</a> (Ready)<br>
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Mortia - <br>
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Iames/Aerin - <br>
Glyphstone - <br>
Kalbereth -<br>
Cabbage Theif -<br>
<font color="Black">Malmagor Andrigal -<br>
Lykan - <br>
Exachix - <br>
Omniplex - <br>
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If someone starts falling on the beginning of my turn, how far do they fall before they get to act?</div>
			
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It's been made public, but I continue reserving the right to alter my scroll selection up until the day of battle.<br>
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EDIT:<br>
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<font size="1">Epic spells are allowed...</font><br>
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<font size="4">WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!</font>
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							Because when the creator created the ring, they only spent 5,000 XP on the wish.<br>
And because it prevents people from doing way too evil things which I will not describe.<br>
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Ok, so now I have a question:<br>
Do Mortia and Amiria approve of making the Dastana 3.5 equipment?<br>
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25 gp +1 sheild bonus -1 ac check penalty 5% spell failure 5lbs<br>
Dastana are metal bracers that can only be worn with padded, leather, or chainshirt armor. You need Light Armor Proficiency to wear them without penalty.<br>
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							As long as they don't stack with shields - no matter how small or big, no matter which material, no matter if they are floating or not - it <i>might</i> be ok.<br>
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Some balance issue remain.<br>
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You can sunder a shield but probably not a dastana. You have a penalty when you fight with a two-handed weapon and a buckler and can't use the buckler's AC in that round (unless you have Improved Buckler Defense) but a dastana probably doesn't have these problems.<br>
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So these rather mundane adavantages also make the dastana far better than a buckler. <font color="White">Dastanas are also a bit unrealistic.</font> So my decision is ...<br>
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<font size="3"><b>... NO WAY !!!</b></font><br>
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							Ah. Ok. Well, it was only giving me a flavor benefit anyways.<br>
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So how <i>are</i> we going to deal with Epic Spells and XP cost spells?<br>
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							Updated list of Characters<br>
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Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592</a><br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67</a> (Ready)<br>
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Mortia - <br>
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Lykan - <br>
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(New) Vael - </font>
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</div>You could get a practice fight against <a href="http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=6018" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Daniella el Blasto</a> but that'll come tomorrow. Note that she isn't build for the championship but for normal arena rules. (which include death effects)<br>
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</div>Maybe, but your character sheet is quite weird, probably not complete. I guess it hasn't been checked and approved by Vael/Earin or one of the other judges yet.<br>
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What is the +13 "other" armor bonus ?<br>
Why do you have both padded armor +10 ? and bracers of armor +8 ?<br>
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You have a Amulet of Natural Armor +2 but the bonus is not in your calculation, you also have a racial natural armor bonus which is also not there.<br>
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A belt of giant strength doesn't stack with gauntlets of ogre power. Also, ability enhancing ioun stones don't stack with other ability enhancing items.<br>
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The bulwark of the great dragon only gives a +8 shield bonus, not +10. And to which kind of dragon it is tied ?<br>
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</div>I concur with Vael on this one. It is not obligatory but it happens in the town after all and nobodies from elsewhere will be severly dissed while the local heroes get all the cheers. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" y7sw804ll=""> <br>
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Hey, that gave me an idea: Moral boni/mali based on the character's popularity/fame/infamy/(lack of) support from the crowd. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smalltongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Tongue" class="inlineimg" y7sw804ll="">
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							Orge gauntlets, the belt, and the iuon stones all give enhancement bonuses to your stats. Enhancement bonuses do not stack unless it is specifically stated under the item/spell description.<br>
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							Well, the character didn't look so bad at first sight. Could be a chellange for my drizzt clone ... and also for mages, the magic-absorbing ioun stone is an excellent investment.<br>
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							well iv got some, but take away most of the bonuses and its pants. and sorry, i dont have AIM (lame i know but noone in my neck of the woods uses it). im adamant i'm going to use barbarian. what are other ways i can boost my stas? are there any items that give BIG stat boosts to DEX and STR I could use to replace all the little ones? <br>
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							here he is... well, when I say 'here he is' I mean, I've done all the stats, but I need to add all of his items which I'll work out at some other point.<br>
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							One issue about the bonus XP. For non-crafters, that 12,500gp is wasted for notihng, since we will never lvl. And yet the casters get to spend a feat or 2 to use this XP to save 100,000-200,000gp, since that would be the average amount spent along with the 12,500XP. I have not played high lvl casters so not sure if giving up a feat or 2 for close to 200,000gp is worth it. As a melee type I would consider giving up a feat for that money.<br>
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							Actually, you can't use it for crafting items, or so I have figured. If you did, your starting gold would technically be over, since your developed items would have the same base cost.<br>
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							In my opinion, yes. The base price stays the same, and it is the base price that we use to determine your wealth.<br>
If the other judges disagree, then I will concur. But until then, I see far too much advantage to being able to create your own items (for the arena) for half-price just because people get some extra XP.<br>
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							See that...that's very very bad. I'm going to have to redo my whole possession list now because I thought that's what it was <i>for</i>. That's why I have the feat in the first place. It's also why I thought DK suggested the granting non-casters extra money idea to make up for it.<br>
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							I'm not finding anything, WotC doesn't have it on their site, I don't have my ECS on me, and Warforged aren't OGL, so noone else has anything on their sites.  Sorry, I can give you the stuff late tomorrow, although, I can tell you right now, they get +2 Con, -2 Wis and Cha
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First, there's obviously going to need to be a grapple initiated. I figure, you just make a Strength check based on the opponent's weight, with an appropriate size bonus of some sort. I figure, a set check for a given weight, and then every 5 you beat the DC by, you get another 10 feet of distance. I'd say that up to 300 lbs would probably be a DC 15, with another 5 added to the DC per 100 lbs. <br>
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So, here's an example. A Huge creature has a Medium one in a grapple, the opponent weighing 350 lbs. Rather than the options in the PHB, he chooses to throw his opponent. He makes a Strength check (DC 20) and gets a 21. The opponent is thrown 10 feet. Had he gotten a 25-30, it would have been 20 feet, and so on. <br>
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							You have to take flaws at level one or at a multiple of 5. Since his character gets 1 epic feat, we can safely assume that he does not reach level 25 for some reason.<br>
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							I calculated it. For sacred save bonus it is bonus squared x 2000. For AC it is 62,500. Adding them gets the cost in listed under his items, not the one in his notes.<br>
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							You're just lucky I was the one who helped him make the item.<br>
McBish, the Wererat explanation will be here in a moment.<br>
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Edit:<br>
Ok, for being a were-rat, you need to spend a total of<br>
48,000 XP to have an LA of 0.<br>
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First, you need to wait until your class level is 3x your LA. In your case, you have 3 LA, so you need to wait until level 9.<br>
Once you reach level 9, you can use this equation: (ECL-1) x 1000 to reduce the LA by one.<br>
You have an ECL of 9+1(hd)+3 = 13 at level 9, so you need to spend 12,000 XP there.<br>
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After that, you need to wait until your class level is 3x LA again (now 6 levels). This means that at level 15, you can reduce again. This time the equation comes out to 17,000.<br>
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You do this again, at level 18 this time, and it comes to 19,000.<br>
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12,000+17,000+19,000= 48,000<br>
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Your total XP would be 264,500, and your ECL would be 23. Since you have a HD, this would mean you have 22 class levels and 1 HD.<br>
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				<div class="message">outsider coming if you do not have to be humanoind/monstrous humanoid. That would give some nice abilities for classes and get by the antilife field that one person mentioned using.<br>
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</div>Is this just a comment on how bad familiars are at fighting, or is it an actual prohibition on them doing anything?  More specifically, am I allowed to cast Imbue Familiar with Spell Ability, transferring some of my lower level spell slots to my familiar, and then have it cast some buffs and minor attack spells (I'd be limited to 5th level maximum)?<br>
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							Attention ! I withdraw the valiant Rakhsicz from the tournament and simultaneously present a worthy replacement (well, at least better chances against a spellcaster <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallamused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Amused" class="inlineimg" ynhruc2hl=""> ).<br>
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							Those rolls are wrong. You reroll any 1 and 2 until it is at least a 3.<br>
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							Wow, this is too high scores hehehe<br>
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I think i will made a Rogue13/Fang of Lolth 10,<br>
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Vampire ECL is 8 in DnD3.5, it's too much.<br>
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							This guy is not done. He is fully legit, but honestly seems broken with AC and att mods.<br>
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Has anybody a DMG at hand ? I have only the SRD but I think in the DMG there was an example for <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#multipleDifferentAbilities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Multiple Different Abilities</a> and that example used ability enhancing items which Grymmheart priced as Multiple Similar Abilities.<br>
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Has anybody a DMG at hand ? I have only the SRD but I think in the DMG there was an example for <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#multipleDifferentAbilities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Multiple Different Abilities</a> and that example used ability enhancing items which Grymmheart priced as Multiple Similar Abilities.<br>
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</div>The rule is, if an item has multiple abilities, all but one cost double price.<br>
Another thing wrong with his character, slotless items cost double price, no 1.5 times.
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							Well, I'm still waiting for an answer concerning the example in the DMG. Anybody, please ?<br>
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And where is the rule that that says <i>"if an item has multiple abilities, all but one cost double price."</i> ? Do you mean 1st. enchantment = x1; 2nd. enchantment = x.1.5; 3rd and any other enchantment = x2 ?<br>
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Is the anywhere a good list of what are and what are not similar and different abilities ? FAQ, sage advice or the like ?<br>
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							The rule for multiple different abilities is <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#multipleDifferentAbilities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  All abilities but one on a slotted item have a 50% markup.<br>
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"Similar" in this context would be better stated as "partially redundant". Powers that draw on the same limited resource, such as the many spells available on a single staff all sharing the same pool of charges, are also considered similar. Any combination of powers that the user would enjoy the full benefits of all powers simultaneously with no overlap and full stacking falls under the different abilities rule.
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							I will definitely reprice the items.  My use of sacred/luck/etc came from seeing another sheet from this or possibly another game with that use.  I have never used it before.  My bad on the double slotless cost, missed number 5 from chart. <br>
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I have no problem pricing such with 50% markup, but I was just using what I have seen done before and been told by others that something with multiple resistance bonuses has multiple similar effects, not different.  It would seem that every item could be argued to have different effects if that is the case.
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				<div class="message">Well, I'm still waiting for an answer concerning the example in the DMG. Anybody, please ?<br>
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And where is the rule that that says <i>"if an item has multiple abilities, all but one cost double price."</i> ? Do you mean 1st. enchantment = x1; 2nd. enchantment = x.1.5; 3rd and any other enchantment = x2 ?<br>
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Is the anywhere a good list of what are and what are not similar and different abilities ? FAQ, sage advice or the like ?<br>
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E.g. are saving throw boni multiple similar abilities ? So would a "Vest of Amiria's Ultimate Resistance" (+5 insight, +5 luck, +5 sacred, +5 resistance =&gt; +20 on all saving throws) cost only 125.000 gp =&gt; 50.000 + (50.000 x 0.75) + (50.000 x 0.5) + (25.000 x 0.5) ?</div>
			
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				For items with multiple similar abilities <b>that don’t take up space on a character’s body</b> use the following formula: Calculate the price of the single most costly ability, then add 75% of the value of the next most costly ability, plus one-half the value of any other abilities.
			
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				For items that do take up a space on a character’s body each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price.
			
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50,000 + (50,000)(1.5) + (50,000)(1.5) + (25,000)(1.5) = 237,500<br>
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As for similar abilities, when an item takes up space on someone's body it does not matter if they are similar or not, you always use the above formula.
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							Thri-kreen, not sure on the prices of your items since you did not list how you devised them, but I think your bow is wrong. Brilliant energy enchantment can only be applied to melee weapons, thrown weapons , and ammo. Your bow will not confer brilliant effects to its ammo.  Also only slash/piercing weapons can be keen, not bows and I do not think even arrows, but not sure about that.<br>
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And curious as to the 200' fly speed. Base land speed is 30', so celestial flies at twice base land speed or 60'. Haste offers +30' to this for 90' fly speed. Your land speed does not get any benefit from haste on top of monks "enhancement" bonus to speed since enhancements do not stack. You do not double the monk enhanced speed for a fly speed.<br>
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1) No Gods<br>
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</div>Does your use of <u>summoning</u> here also include spells with the [Calling] descriptor so that one could e.g. use a Gate spell do call a creature that is 1) no God, 2) no character/advanced monster, and 3) no Tarrasque/Epic Monster ?
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				<div class="message">Thri-kreen, not sure on the prices of your items since you did not list how you devised them, but I think your bow is wrong. Brilliant energy enchantment can only be applied to melee weapons, thrown weapons , and ammo. Your bow will not confer brilliant effects to its ammo.  Also only slash/piercing weapons can be keen, not bows and I do not think even arrows, but not sure about that.<br>
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And curious as to the 200' fly speed. Base land speed is 30', so celestial flies at twice base land speed or 60'. Haste offers +30' to this for 90' fly speed. Your land speed does not get any benefit from haste on top of monks "enhancement" bonus to speed since enhancements do not stack. You do not double the monk enhanced speed for a fly speed.<br>
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=+70 to speed= +200 to flying speed considering that vael says boots of swiftness, and flight don't stack.
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							My Character is almost finished.<br>
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The logic is.<br>
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</div>There. I fixed it for you.<br>
The celestial template gives you twice <i>base speed</i>. Monk <i>enhancement</i> bonus to speed is not base speed.
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							Ladies and gentilmen, the fights are about to begin. Please, go to your seprate dimentional arenas, and begin your preperations... <br>
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1 No death effect spells, or instant death enchantments. <br>
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5 Double elimation applies. The next battles will be decided after all of the current ones are completed. <br>
Any others were mentioned in the thread, and Im sure that Vael will be adding to this... <br>
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So, go, start your threads, and enjoy the battle!!!<br>
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Cain vs Daniella<br>
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1) You may not bring other characters, Gods, or Epic Monsters into the Arena by any means.<br>
2) No 'save or die' spells, powers, or abilities.<br>
3) Wishes granted by a Ring of Three Wishes are assumed to be cast using only 5,000 XP (which is provided by the ring)<br>
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							I'm introducing a pair of boots of flying swiftness.<br>
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				The wearer’s speed doubles (this does not stack with any magical or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#supernaturalAbilities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">supernatural</a> enhancement to speed)
			
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							Oh, I was referring to flight issue, not the boots and land speed. Seems very expensive for a 20th lvl monk to only gain a doubling of the base land speed (+30 ft for human, for example) with those boots. <br>
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							Correction: "Save or take massive damage <b>which may possibly kill you.</b>"<br>
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				<div class="message">Massive dammage is OK. Instant death, or death effects are not. <br>
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Heres my reasoning. These fights are fun to read, and to partisipate in. If death spells are alowed, it will just be one save after another. The rules in place are trying to make the fights last as long a possible, while still providing a winner. <b>So, if you have somethign that can kill your opponent in the first round of combat, I might sugest waiting until after you have fought for a while against them to use it. Keep everyone entertained a little...</b></div>
			
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				<div class="message"><i>Spiritual weapons</i> and <i>potions of mirror image</i> FTW!</div>
			
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Actually, it does, as the DMG says that foot slots increase manouverability, not just how well you walk.<br>
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It's kinda like saying that it doesn't make sense for a belt to make the muscles on your arm swell up, or bracers that make it so you are able to take more damage.<br>
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</div>1) There is certainly a chance. But currently you might have to roll two 50% miss chances to confirm a hit (Ghostform and Improved Blink).<br>
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							I would say that if the scrolls are of the same level sure, why not. The cost doesnt change at all... <br>
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							lol Thanks, Earin<br>
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</div>I don't think people should be able to hop right into the second round, personally. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.
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							I am still trying to get a first round fight since my guy was not fully reviewed with my last minute changes, but if I would take a loss to get in the second round.<br>
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The list of combatants, as posted by Mortia:<br>
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				 Cain vs Daniella<br>
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Douglas vs Markan Kobi <br>
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Elya vs Iria<br>
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Amiria vs Aslack Van`teir<br>
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				Elya--<br>
****|--<br>
Iria --    *|<br>
******|---|<br>
Amiria- |** |<br>
*****|-|*   |<br>
Aslack- ***|<br>
*********|--Winner<br>
Nimh--       ***|<br>
*****|-|   *|<br>
Aerin--   *| *|<br>
*******|--|<br>
Mortia-   *|<br>
*****|-|<br>
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{table]X|Elya|Iria|Amiria|Aslack|Nimh|Aerin|Mortia|?<br>
Elya|X| | | | | | | <br>
Iria| |X| | | | | | <br>
Amiria| | |X| | | | | <br>
Aslack| | | |X| | | | <br>
Nimh| | | | |X| | | <br>
Aerin| | | | | |X| | <br>
Mortia| | | | | | |X| <br>
?| | | | | | | |X[/table]
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							whats the ruling as far as how often we should post? only some battles have finished and Eachix, my opponent, hasn't even made his opening moves yet. I am just worriesd that this will take forever if we are waiting for people to catch up with each other.
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							The standard double elimination bracket that I'm familiar with assumes a number of players equal to a power of 2 and goes as follows:<br>
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Round 1: Everyone is in the winners bracket.  Contestants pair off and fight.  When it's all done, the winners bracket is reduced by half and the losers bracket is newly formed.<br>
Round 2: Half are in the winners bracket, half in the losers bracket.  Contestants pair off against opponents in the same bracket.  Winners bracket is reduced by half again, but losers from the winners bracket replace those in the losers bracket that got their second loss.  Losers bracket is now twice the size of the winners bracket.<br>
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Repeat rounds 2 and 3 until both winners and losers brackets are down to 1 contestant each.  These last two then face off against each other however many times is required for one to get two total losses.  If the finalist from the winners bracket wins the first match here, the tournament is over.  If the finalist from the losers bracket wins the first match, both competitors now have one loss and must have a rematch to settle it.<br>
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				<div class="message">The standard double elimination bracket that I'm familiar with assumes a number of players equal to a power of 2 and goes as follows:<br>
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Round 1: Everyone is in the winners bracket. Contestants pair off and fight. When it's all done, the winners bracket is reduced by half and the losers bracket is newly formed.<br>
Round 2: Half are in the winners bracket, half in the losers bracket. Contestants pair off against opponents in the same bracket. Winners bracket is reduced by half again, but losers from the winners bracket replace those in the losers bracket that got their second loss. Losers bracket is now twice the size of the winners bracket.<br>
Round 3: Winners bracket takes a rest while the losers bracket cuts itself down to size.<br>
Repeat rounds 2 and 3 until both winners and losers brackets are down to 1 contestant each. These last two then face off against each other however many times is required for one to get two total losses. If the finalist from the winners bracket wins the first match here, the tournament is over. If the finalist from the losers bracket wins the first match, both competitors now have one loss and must have a rematch to settle it.<br>
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With 14 contestants at last count, we'd have to fill in with two byes to use this bracket.</div>
			
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Exactly. Now, there is also the recent joinee's matchs, who will be behind everyone else one step. I will be a part of that, as there was no one to fight with a completed sheet. If I could, once again, get a list of all the fighters, Vael, I would be most thankful... *looks up* Ok. Never mind. I will use that one, and include the link to mine when I do so. I should have the finished results later tonight, (Japan time). If we have any last minute entries, please have your sheets done by Saturday night, so that we can review them, and get you into the rotation. <br>
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							<u><i><b>if </b></i></u>you need a character to match up against someone, i'd suggeata CR25 monster. Anyone who fancied could play it (i wouldnt mind) and it would be a bit different to the other fights in the tourney.
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							Go for it Exachix.<br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a> (Ready)<br>
Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a> (Ready)<br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a> (Ready)<br>
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McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> (Ready)<br>
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Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a> (Ready)<br>
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Unfinished:</b><br>
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churchofbanjo -<br>
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							Psst. Gezina's a she.<br>
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What i propose is that all the matches that haven't finished either play on into the next round, or go by a Percentage of the Health Left (I.e. Find how much Health both people have left as a Percentage, and the person with less loses.)<br>
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							key issue there being that Gezina hasnt even made her opening 5 moves. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallfrown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Frown" class="inlineimg" ncmujdyd5=""> could we please have a judges ruling on what we should do? Even if we posted solidly tonight we wouldn't finish it. Plus i don't think playing a percentage of health left is fair, imho.
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If Gezina does not start the fight by the end of the day, we will drop her to the unmatched category until furthur notice. As for you, DDMD, we will allow you to start with the late comers, since that will not affect you adversely in any way.<br>
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							Gezina has conceded. Simply cos we could do with getting round 2 sorted, id say the best thing would be to put me in the winner's bracket, however if this seems a bit  unfair i don't mind fighting a latecomers battle, so long as it gets started pretty soonish.
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							If Gezina conceded, then the round goes to you.<br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a> (Ready)<br>
Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a> (Ready)<br>
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Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> (Ready)<br>
 Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a> (Ready)<br>
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<b>1 Loss Bracket:</b><br>
McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> (Ready)<br>
Gegiet - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3844" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Iria</a> (Ready)<br>
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<b>Unmatched:</b><br>
Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a> (Ready)<br>
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							<b>Winner's Bracket:</b><br>
Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a> (Ready) VS. Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a> (Ready)<br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a> (Ready) VS.   Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a> (Ready)<br>
Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> (Ready)<br>
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<b>1 Loss Bracket:</b><br>
McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> (Ready) VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a> (Ready)<br>
Gegiet - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3844" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Iria</a> (Ready) VS.   Pp3k - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ashlack Van'teir</a> (Ready)<br>
 Gezina - <a href="http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=6018" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Daniella</a> (Ready)<br>
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<b>Unmatched:</b><br>
Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a> (Ready) VS.  Hawk - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hawk</a><br>
Thri-Kreen_DK - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4161" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sminaet</a> (Ready) VS.   Mortia - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1023" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mortia</a><br>
Grymmheart - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4127" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Redcap</a> (Ready) VS.  churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a><br>
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Glyphstone -<br>
<br>
Judge Rulings-<br>
If a combatant does not give notice of their absence, they have four days to post. If they do not post after those four days, then they are considered to have conceded the match.<br>
<br>
Schedule-<br>
These are the lengths of time you have for your matches:<br>
Win/Loss Categories matches end on December 26th<br>
Unmatched Category match 1 ends on December 20th.<br>
Unmatched Category Match 2 ends on December 26th<br>
<br>
Anyone who has been not been matched with another person (but has a character sheet and is ready to fight) is allowed to have the right to substitute themselves with someone else. This substitution will be determined randomly. If you are displaced by an one of these people, you do not have this option.<br>
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As soon as the people from the Unmatched Category finish their first round, I will sort them into the appropriate categories and will match everyone who needs a partner (including those who have not been matched in the win/loss category).<br>
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If you do not finish a match within the timeframe, the judges will confer and decide on a winner.<br>
<br>
Glyphstone- Whenever you are ready with your character sheet (and have a judges ruling on your homebrew), I believe I have someone I can match you with.
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							*Ahem*<br>
The following characters need to add a Spell Component Pouch to their equipment list if they want to cast any spells with material components or foci:<br>
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The characters in question and possibly some others might also want to add some sort of clothing to avoid being heckled by the crowd for their nudity.<br>
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							Yes, there is a problem with money.<br>
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Your scythe, is the equivelent of a +16 or +17 weapon, worth far more than 2,000,000.<br>
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+5 tomes on everything= 800k<br>
about 400k-800k worth of other miscellaneous stuff to a gran total of:<br>
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							Also, where did you get the 14 feats from?<br>
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And, you still couldn't make the staff.<br>
You need 20k xp to make an item with market price of over +16 because its 2mill divided by 100.<br>
the armour is another 10k xp and you said we could only have 12k xp to burn, so allready you're over the limit.<br>
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Aswell, your caster level isn't high enough to make epic magical items.<br>
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Furthermore, you can't use a scroll unless you allready have a caster level that can match it, and sorcerers have to know the spell aswell to cast it, so that means no chain contingency for you.<br>
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Finally, "summon aspect of bahamutt?"<br>
What does it do.<br>
I'm guessing it basically acts as summon monster VIII, or at least summons something of the same power level.
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							Actually it is his turn.<br>
I need Vaels opinion on this:<br>
Even though both Mortia and I are blinking, we aren't both blinking at the same time and there-fore can't see each other autimatically. i.e. it doesn't cancel out.
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							Actually Vera is quite right.<br>
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							Fights as of the moment:<br>
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<font size="3">Complete Fights</font><br>
Winners:<br>
</b>Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a><br>
Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
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Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a><br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a><br>
 Gegiet - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3844" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Iria</a><br>
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<b>Eliminated:</b><br>
Pp3k - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ashlack Van'teir</a><br>
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<b><font size="3">Incomplete fights</font></b><br>
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</b> Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> (Needs to complete extra match with winner of Unmatched combatants)<br>
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McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a><br>
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Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a> VS.  Hawk - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hawk</a><br>
Thri-Kreen_DK - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4161" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sminaet</a> VS.   Mortia - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1023" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mortia</a><br>
Grymmheart - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4127" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Redcap</a> VS.  churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a>
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The other method would be to make him a Cleric/20, Hierophant/5 with the Initiate of Mystra feat.  That wouldn't require any home brewing at all, would still be able to simulate his abilities reasonably, but it would be broken as the nine hells.  Full casting and able to cast in an anti-magic field?  Eeeeew.<br>
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							And we have a new fight!<br>
Just to keep things moving, I went ahead and paired TKDK and Cain, since they were both unmatched and waiting.<br>
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As a note to Rebonack and, unfortunately, Glyphstone: I think I am going to have to declare entrance to the arena championship closed. There are simply too many latecomers as it is.<br>
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<font size="3">Complete Fights</font><br>
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</b>Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a><br>
Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
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Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a><br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a><br>
 Gegiet - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3844" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Iria</a><br>
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<b>Eliminated:</b><br>
Pp3k - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ashlack Van'teir</a><br>
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<b><font size="3">Incomplete fights</font></b><br>
<b>Winner Bracket:<br>
</b> Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> VS.  Thri-Kreen_DK - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4161" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sminaet</a><b><br>
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1 Loss Bracket:</b><br>
McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a><br>
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Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a> VS.  Hawk - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hawk</a><br>
Grymmheart - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4127" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Redcap</a> VS.  churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a>
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							*shrug*<br>
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There's always next time.  For the record, I would still like to know which build would be more acceptable.  That way I'll have the sheet on hand next time one of these things rolls around.
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							It depends on which one you want to do, either would be fine by me.<br>
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							S'ok, I'll send it your way.<br>
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							Well, this was going to be the means/incentive for me to re-enter Town life.<br>
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							<b><font size="3">Complete Fights</font><br>
Winners:<br>
</b>Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a><br>
Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
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Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a><br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a><br>
 Gegiet - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3844" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Iria</a><br>
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<b>Eliminated:</b><br>
Pp3k - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ashlack Van'teir</a><br>
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<b><font size="3">Incomplete fights</font></b><br>
<b>Winner Bracket:<br>
</b> Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> VS.  Thri-Kreen_DK - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4161" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sminaet</a><br>
Hawk - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hawk</a> VS. Grymmheart - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4127" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Redcap</a><br>
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1 Loss Bracket:</b><br>
McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a><br>
 Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a> VS. churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a><br>

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							Looking at a fight that employed time stop to start.  <br>
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Since I am not sure if time stop duration is known by the caster, or if it a random DM determined thing, I have a question. <br>
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 If random, shouldn't the caster state his next 5 rds of action and just hope it lasts long enough to do it?  The judge would then say spell ended at apparent round 3, so your 4th and 5th round actions can not be done.  This makes serial time stops hard to do.  If a known duration, then no issues.<br>
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							It seems better to have it known duration, but I was just curious.  <br>
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Once you know which creatures (or objects or areas) are affected, and whether those creatures have made successful <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#savingThrows" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="#0000ff">saving throws</font></a> (if any were allowed), you can apply whatever results a spell entails.
			
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							<b><font size="3">Complete Fights</font><br>
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</b>Amiria - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4008" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Amiria</a><br>
Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
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Iames/Aerin - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3517" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Aerin</a><br>
Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a><br>
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churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a><br>
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Pp3k - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=985" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ashlack Van'teir</a><br>
  Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a><br>
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<b><font size="3">Incomplete fights</font></b><br>
<b>Winner Bracket:<br>
</b> Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a> VS.  Thri-Kreen_DK - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4161" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sminaet</a><br>
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McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a>
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							Rules question: I have a summoned Balor on the field. The rules state a monster must wait 1 hour before summoning again. Could I use a wish to aallow the Balor to ignore this rule? I can't simply move forward an hour with the wish as then the Balors cease to serve me.
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</b>This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#nonlethalDamage" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">nonlethal damage</a> with <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#unarmedStrike" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">unarmed strikes</a>. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack.
			
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Complete Fights</font><br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
 Die Die My Darling - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3592" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cain</a><br>
 Grymmheart - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4127" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Redcap</a><br>
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Vael - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3630" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Elya</a><br>
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churchofbanjo - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4766" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bel'Gaer</a><br>
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Hawk - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=4757" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hawk</a><br>
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  Exachix - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=899" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Karaki</a><br>
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McBish - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=3920" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nimh</a> VS.  Kalbereth - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=1992" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Markan Kobi</a>
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							Now that the 1 loss bracket has been established, it has to fight two rounds for every one round of the winners bracket so that it keeps shrinking at the same rate. When both brackets are down to one person left, those two will face off for the championship. If the finalist from the 1 loss bracket wins the first championship match, they will have a rematch to determine the winner because they would otherwise be tied at 1 loss each.<br>
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				When a wish duplicates a spell that has an XP cost, you must pay 5,000 XP or that cost, whichever is more.
			
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</div>I will give the person who is left out a bye, but I will give them the choice to fight a monster if they want.<br>
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							Why not? Wish can duplicate any spell as low level as Psychic Reformation, so with magic/psionics transparency it should also be able to duplicate psionic powers. Same with Limited Wish, and Psychic Reformation is low enough level to qualify under even the most restrictive category listed for Limited Wish, that of non-sor/wiz spells of prohibited schools.
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							That seems a rather odd rule, especially as the text of Bend Reality and Reality Revision is very nearly copied verbatim from Limited Wish and Wish, even including the bit about reviving the dead by duplicating Resurrection. I'd just drop the "but not a spell" note in any of my campaigns, but that's not RAW. Time to put some ranks into Use Psionic Device, I guess.<br>
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							Okay, just for this Championship (though it will likely be changed for the next championship) I am limiting the CR of creatures that you can summon to CR 23 or lower. The tarrasque is still excluded, as are any creatures in the Epic handbook or in the Epic section of any book are still banned.<br>
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							If you have no way to deal with a Disjunction, then you should find one. An epic spell, something to counterspell it, make your character not rely on magic items, have your opponent not know where you are... etc. Its not my fault you can't find a way to prevent its use.<br>
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							That refers to the Caster's equipment and items.<br>
Sorry, I'm stating this all wrong.<br>
The Caster cannot be considered to be touching or carrying a spell as it is intangible. It canot be saved, and it gets no resistance to the spell.
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							Except for a spell effecting the caster, that is, such as Enlargement. I think that is considered an effect that he "carries" as far the rule goes. Otherwise, I really doubt they'd use the word effects. Yes, it can be "Allow me to fetch my effects," but paired with Items, such a meaning of the word would be redundant. <br>
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							I believe I will put a two week time limit on them.<br>
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							I ask alot of questions because I am learning to "interpret" the rules as so many others have perfected it seems. Mind blank aside, does disruption cause a strength enhancing items to stop? Or the shocking ability of a sword to stop? if the item saves. I read gem of seeing/my alteration google of seeing as <br>
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This finely cut and polished stone is indistinguishable from an ordinary jewel in appearance. <b>When it is gazed through, a gem of seeing enables the user to see as though she were affected by the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/trueSeeing.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="#800080">true seeing</font></a> spell.</b> A gem of seeing can be used for as much as 30 minutes a day, divided up into periods of minutes or rounds as the user sees fit. <br>
Which I interpret as, when you look through it, you get true seeing, if stop looking through it you do not have true seeing, but it only can grant the effect 30 min/day. If someone wore and removed their gloves of dex, they would gain and lose a dex enhancement. The gem says <b>as though you had true seeing</b>, it does not "cast" true seeing spell on you. SO you do not have a true seeing effect on you that can be lost, unless the item is lost or time limit spent.<br>
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I will concede the battle since I can not affect Amira from this point on. Now I feel safe to ask my final question.<br>
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In PHB under actions, reading a scroll is listed as a STANDARD action, with no modifications or caveats. Spells like SYmpathy (1hr casting) and True ressurection (10min casting) are listed in the SRD as scrolls. My assumption is that they remain 1 std action to read the scroll, since that is what is listed as the required time to read a scroll. It seems like even a quickened scroll would take the 1 standard action to read the scroll, since PHB and SRD list 1 standard action as the time to read a scroll. <br>
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There exist immediate cast spells out there, that if written on a scroll should still take 1 standard action to read. The alternative does not seem correct, but that is my interpretation.
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							No, casting a scroll with a quickend spell is a swift action. I also challenged that at first in my position as arena judge when I saw quickened scrolls on Kalbareth's character sheet of Markan harad al-Kobi Arakas Azrael.<br>
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				The confusion of this debate stems from three sections of the SRD, reproduced here:<br>
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From the Magic Items section, under Activation:<br>
Activating a magic item is a standard action unless the item description indicates otherwise. However, the casting time of a spell is the time required to activate the same power in an item, regardless of the type of magic item, unless the item description specifically states otherwise.<br>
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From the Magic Items section, under Activation:<br>
Spell Completion: This is the activation method for scrolls. A scroll is a spell that is mostly finished. The preparation is done for the caster, so no preparation time is needed beforehand as with normal spellcasting. All that’s left to do is perform the finishing parts of the spellcasting (the final gestures, words, and so on). To use a spell completion item safely, a character must be of high enough level in the right class to cast the spell already. If he can’t already cast the spell, there’s a chance he’ll make a mistake. Activating a spell completion item is a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as casting a spell does.<br>
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From the Magic Items: Scrolls, Staffs, and Wands section, under Wands:<br>
Activation: Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity. (If the spell being cast, however, has a longer casting time than 1 action, it takes that long to cast the spell from a wand.)<br>
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Ok. That's a lot of text to absorb. I placed it there so that those of you who are naturally distrustful can check my sources. This argument is rock solid, it's just spread out, so I've compiled it for simplicity.<br>
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Here's the relevant text, in logical order. Look for fallacies if you wish; there aren't any.<br>
1. The casting time of a spell is the time required to activate the same power in an item, regardless of the type of magic item, unless the item description specifically states otherwise.<br>
2. Spell Completion: This is the activation method for scrolls.<br>
3. Activating a spell completion item is a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as casting a spell does.<br>
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Ok. There are no spell completion items other than scrolls, so it's safe to say that spell completion items and scrolls are synonymous. It specifically states that activating a spell completion item is a standard action. Therefore, if A(scrolls)=B(spell completion items) and B=C(a standard action to activate), then A=C. <br>
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The problem seems to be the seeming "contradictions." However, it SPECIFICALLY states under wands that "(If the spell being cast, however, has a longer casting time than 1 action, it takes that long to cast the spell from a wand.)" It says NOTHING of the sort in the descriptive text for scrolls, which is quite long, so I didn't bother to post it. Check it yourself on the online SRD. The ONLY rule for scrolls EVER mentioned is that they're a standard action. Period.<br>
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That should be enough, but here's more; when you create a wand, staff, etc, you only expend the spell slot when crafting the item once per day that you craft. Even for quite expensive items, this is rarely more than 50 days (which it CAN be, but rarely is). The spell can then be used a number of times. However, when you create a scroll, you expend the spell slot during the crafting for EVERY number of times the spell can be used. If you were to create a scroll of arcane eye, for instance, you'd have to spend the entire 10 minutes casting the spell, which could be interrupted and, thus, the day of crafting wasted. It makes no sense that you'd then have to spend ANOTHER 10 minutes to activate it. On top of that, if it takes more than a single day to create the scroll, you're actually expending MORE spell slots than you're getting in the end. It's a simple investment; pay with money, time, and experience now for ease of use later. That's the primary difference between charged items like wands and staffs and single-use items like scrolls.<br>
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To go into even more detail, the reason potions are more expensive but still always only a standard action is because anyone can use the potion regardless of magical ability; that's what sets them off from the other magic items and why they have different rules. <br>
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So, it seems quite clear that, after exhaustively reading and arguing (with meabolex, actually) about this issue that any scroll, no matter what spell is on it, only takes 1 standard action to activate. It makes sense in-game when you consider the time it takes to craft the scroll; it makes sense out of game when you consider issues of balance and investment; it clearly states it in the rules (but is spread out and, thus, difficult to comprehend, and, to save the word choice for last, it's spell COMPLETION... it should only take a moment to activate... the work's already been done.<br>
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It's just an investment to maximize the use of combat time. It's like paying for a speed weapon; that's a huge money investment to maximize the effectiveness of a full attack action. Similarly, it's like using the feat quickened spell; you're maxmizing the effectiveness of a single round of combat at the expense of a higher level spell slot. A scroll is somewhere inbetween. <br>
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As for quickened scrolls, no. It clearly says that activating a scroll is a standard action. That's it; no alternatives. <br>
 
			
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Unlike potions, scrolls require magical training (or ability that mimics is) to use properly.<br>
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-single use only<br>
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-usable by umd<br>
-must be physically manipulated in a complex way (held in hand, unrolled, and read)<br>
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But it doesn't. So in all ways, the scroll works exactly as the spell cast into it.<br>
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							Vael, your rules stand. <br>
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							A remark to the rules situation that now appeared in Amiria's fight against Fiend.<br>
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Arena characters seem to have only a chance to win if they have both Mind Blank and Improved (better Superior) Invisibility active. But then they can't see each other. Somehow this reminds me of submarine battles ... or rather the battleship game.<br>
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2) They resort to carpet bombing the arena with Mage's Disjunction or area dispel effects. When they win initiative they know that their opponent is still in his starting area and can target it. So winning initiative will probably decide the battle (unless the opponent goes underground during his preperation rounds with Ghostform or another power and so avoids the burst - again this reminds me of submarines).<br>
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							When they fly they won't make any (significant) sounds while moving. When they speak a spell ... well, a voice isn't that loud and Listen also has a penalty for distance. And there is also the Silent Spell feat and Rods of Silent Spell.
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							Or we could just rule that making invisibility absolute was not at all an intended effect of Mind Blank in the first place.  My reading of the sentence "This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects" is that it is just elaborating on the previous sentence which deals specifically with protection for emotions and thoughts.  This is reinforced by the restriction of blocking Wish, etc. only when they are used specifically concerning the mind of the subject.  True, it does go on to say that Scrying and Arcane Eye are also foiled, and Discern Location and possibly some other spells I can't recall atm are also blocked by it, but my impression has always been that the protection against divinations not concerning the mind is limited to those that attempt to locate or observe the target at a distance, not spells that enhance the user's own senses such as See Invisibility, True Seeing, and Arcane Sight.
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							Ummmm... to prevent rematches, the matches will be shifted as follows.<br>
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							Is there anyone that hasn't fought yet?<br>
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							Wow. It would seem that these fights are doing great! <br>
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Im glad to see so many having fun with this. <br>
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Im sorry for my withdrawl, but I have had some bad RL things come up, and I have gone back to the states for a while to recouperate. I look forward to rejoining the battles for the next round, and Vael had some outstanding ideas for the next tournament. <br>
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I would like to extend my profound thanks to Vael and Amaria for carring this thing in my absance. You two have been doing an outstanding job of it! <br>
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To the winners of this contest, I congradulate you for getting  this far. I think it wouldnt be easy. Good luck durrning the rest of the compitition!
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							Ok, so here is the deal:<br>
Amiria has withdrawn.<br>
Douglas has not posted.<br>
Gegiet has not posted.<br>
...<br>
So... new fights...<br>
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All of us are in the same category now (since Douglas lost his fight to inactivity). There are three of us, and one champion slot.<br>
Therefore, we will do this best out of three.<br>
We can either-<br>
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2) Have all battles at once.<br>
Do our remaining combatants have any preferences?<br>
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Douglas - <a href="http://www.thetangledweb.net/profiler/view.php?id=67" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Douglas</a><br>
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</b><b>Douglas</b>|<b>~</b>| |<br>
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							{table]<b>~</b>|<b>Douglas</b>|<b>Elya</b>|Aerin<br>
<div style="text-align: left;"><b>Douglas</b>|<b>~</b>|W |<br>
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		<li>You <strong>may</strong> post new threads</li>
		<li>You <strong>may</strong> post replies</li>
		<li>You <strong>may not</strong> post attachments</li>
		<li>You <strong>may</strong> edit your posts</li>
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			<li><a href="misc.php?do=bbcode" target="_blank">BB code</a> is <strong>On</strong></li>
			<li><a href="misc.php?do=showsmilies" target="_blank">Smilies</a> are <strong>On</strong></li>
			<li><a href="misc.php?do=bbcode#imgcode" target="_blank">[IMG]</a> code is <strong>On</strong></li>
			<li><a href="misc.php?do=bbcode#videocode" target="_blank">[VIDEO]</a> code is <strong>On</strong></li>
			<li>HTML code is <strong>Off</strong></li>
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	<p class="rules_link"><a href="misc.php?do=showrules" target="_blank">Forum Rules</a></p>

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