Into the Far West - OOC thread
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				Title: <strong>Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 12:59:58</strong>
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				For character and setting discussions, and whatever else we can think of.<br><br>To start with, I found some art from the game.<br><br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample1.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample1.jpg)<br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg)<br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample3.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample3.jpg)<br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample4.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample4.jpg)<br><br>Not quite sure about the steampunk guy, but the others are nice.<br><br>I'm reading through the thread over on rpg.net, and one thing I just came across is that there is no magic in the setting. I understand that steampunk is taking the place of the likes of alchemy in a traditional wuxia setting, but I kinda like the idea of magic being there. If there is no magic, does that mean no ghosts, no fox women, no hopping vampires or other monsters?<br><br>The designers comments<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">There are two basic kinds of wuxia fiction. One which is more fantasy based, featuring magic, ghosts, monsters, etc. -- examples include Storm Riders, Shaolin vs. Evil Dead, Chinese Ghost Story, etc.<br><br>The other is more historical/realistic -- no overt magic, but still secret kung-fu techniques, flying swordsmen, etc. Examples of this style include Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers, Hero, Red Cliff, etc.<br><br>FAR WEST comes from the latter tradition. A couple of reasons for this -- one, the truly over-the-top magical/supernatural stuff is actually less common within the wuxia genre. Two, I felt that Westerns with magic had already been done well, by Deadlands. We included our element of the fantastic with steampunk -- because it fit the idea of "secret science", which is very much a part of wuxia (inner disciplines and alchemy being the examples you usually see in that genre).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's a pity, as I really like my supernatural elements.<br><br>Anyways, the thread is up, and the tea is hot. Pull up a stool and let's start talking.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 18:37:08</strong>
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				Methinks the lack of supernatural would be a fine change of pace.<br>And remember--just because there aren't ghosts in the setting doesn't mean that a) people don't believe in them and b) a little trickery in the right place won't fool a lot of people!<br><br>Anyway, I'll repeat the first idea that came to mind: assuming I can find someone to play the other sister, twins separated at birth (or just sisters raised apart) who are both independently after the foul rascal who got their pa fired/imprisoned/executed on trumped up charges.&nbsp; Ideally, they would not know of their familial connection until some dramatically inconvenient moment, like the morning after they end up indulging in a little sisterly bonding.&nbsp; &nbsp;&gt;:)&nbsp; Or when they both end up going after the same boss mook.&nbsp; Or...<br><br>Forbidden sisterly affection, family honor, melodramatic tension, and a whole lotta body count!&nbsp; What's not to like?<br><br>Gotta see if I can find someone doing the opening riff from AC/DC's The Razor's Edge on shamisen or the Chinese equivalent.&nbsp; Somehow it just fits.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>28-12-2010, 16:25:56</strong>
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				I have a fondness for playing fang shi, and I like my supernatural elements :)<br><br>So, once we have a better idea of who all is interested we can do more in defining the settin and playstyle. If we have a smaller group, a more linear storyline might work better. The two girls are looking for the varmint responsible for killing their paw. The wandering ranger joins in to see justice done, etc etc<br><br>With more players, maybe we can do a sandbox town, or see about weaving each character together.<br><br>As already stated, I'm leaning towards el Mariachi, but a ranger is also possible. Speaking of, here's a little inspiration for any rangers<br><br>Equilibrium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bGqnK0mFq4#)<br><br>Shoot Em Up BEST ACTION SCENES !!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15c1sD8UAws#)<br><br>And this could probably be worked in as well :)<br><br>Kung fu hustle musicians vs landlords (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102jJCjTbdY#ws)
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				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>28-12-2010, 18:22:46</strong>
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				To me, Steampunk is eponymous with Mad Science.&nbsp; Artemus Gordon from Wild, Wild West (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120891/)&nbsp; comes to mind.&nbsp; I'm not sure how to mesh that with Wuxia though, as (to my admittedly limited knowledge) Wuxia concentrates more on spiritual elements than post-Enlightenment rationalism run amok.<br>
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>28-12-2010, 18:32:29</strong>
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				IIRC, while the Daoist sages weren't Post-Enlightenment (by our understanding) they were pretty close to the proverbial mad scientists.&nbsp; They came up with some nifty stuff, all out of a desire to find out how things worked.&nbsp; Some interpretations of the Dao (or Tao) lend themselves to early protoscientific examination, along the lines of 'we think we know what's happening, but is what we see what's really going on?&nbsp; Let's find out...'<br><br>'Course, most of their nifty inventions were also little more than neat toys, which really brings them into parallel with steampunk and pulp mad scientists.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>29-12-2010, 03:48:42</strong>
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				Here's a quick little intro to wu xia<br><br>http://wuxiapedia.com/About/The-Wuxia-genre/What-is-Wuxia (http://wuxiapedia.com/About/The-Wuxia-genre/What-is-Wuxia)<br><br>It should help give you an idea of the sort of stuff characters could do, and what sort of values they'd embody.
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				Post by: <strong>Caela</strong> on <strong>29-12-2010, 15:42:34</strong>
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				Very helpful link! Thanks Hairy. I'm following along and still very interested in this idea. Working out a possible character in my head but waiting to see how things are looking like they'll play out, so she can be tweaked a bit, before I write her up here.
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-12-2010, 16:52:22</strong>
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				Yes, thanks!&nbsp; Very interesting stuff.<br><br>(Editorial aside)<br>And...I am struck again by the parallels between Westerns, Samurai films, and <em>wuxia</em>.&nbsp; Some stories translate back and forth amazingly well (Dashiell Hammet's Red Harvest is Yojimo is Last Man Standing.&nbsp; Seven Samurai is Magnificent Seven.&nbsp; And so on).<br><br>As for the divide, with Western audiences not understanding wuxia:<br><br>When I was watching Red Cliff (international release, not US release), I realized that one of the big problems with the film is that it gives barely enough backstory for the audience to make sense of the whys and wherefores <em>if</em> they aren't already familiar with the epic story arc of Three Kingdoms.&nbsp; If I hadn't been reading vol. 2 of my copy at the time, much of that movie would have gone right overhead!<br><br>At the same time, consider all the elements of the average Western that don't get explained because an American audience is already steeped in the lore.&nbsp; How much backstory would we have to put into a film about, say, the Alamo before it would make sense to someone who has never studied American mythology* and history?<br><br>Food for thought.<br><br>(/Editorial aside)<br><br><br>* used here in the literary sense, not the theological one.
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				Post by: <strong>Mhina</strong> on <strong>29-12-2010, 19:58:25</strong>
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				I think I get the setting better now, thanks for the info. Still trying to work out what kind of character might be interesting to play, there seem like a lot of ways i could go given the various influences on the story.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 01:54:32</strong>
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				Trivia note - I recall reading some years ago that Yojimbo was based on either a book or film set in prohibition era America. Yojimbo was remade as A Fist Full of Dollars, which was then remade as Last Man Standing (which was set in prohibition era America). Thus the story comes full circle.
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 03:53:54</strong>
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				Yes, it was!&nbsp; Red Harvest, by Dashiell Hammett.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 04:18:31</strong>
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				I couldn't remember if it was that one or not.
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 04:23:49</strong>
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				Let's just say that halfway through the novel, I was saying to myself 'this is awful familiar...'&nbsp; &nbsp;;D 
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 06:30:31</strong>
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				Well, isn't it said that there are only a certain number of plots, and every story is just a variation on those?<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Polti, Georges. The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations. trans. Lucille Ray.<br><br>Polti claims to be trying to reconstruct the 36 plots that Goethe alleges someone named [Carlo] Gozzi came up with. (In the following list, the words in parentheses are our annotations to try to explain some of the less helpful titles.):<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Supplication (in which the Supplicant must beg something from Power in authority)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;2. Deliverance<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;3. Crime Pursued by Vengeance<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;4. Vengeance taken for kindred upon kindred<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;5. Pursuit<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;6. Disaster<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;7. Falling Prey to Cruelty of Misfortune<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;8. Revolt<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;9. Daring Enterprise<br>&nbsp; 10. Abduction<br>&nbsp; 11. The Enigma (temptation or a riddle)<br>&nbsp; 12. Obtaining<br>&nbsp; 13. Enmity of Kinsmen<br>&nbsp; 14. Rivalry of Kinsmen<br>&nbsp; 15. Murderous Adultery<br>&nbsp; 16. Madness<br>&nbsp; 17. Fatal Imprudence<br>&nbsp; 18. Involuntary Crimes of Love (example: discovery that one has married one’s mother, sister, etc.)<br>&nbsp; 19. Slaying of a Kinsman Unrecognized<br>&nbsp; 20. Self-Sacrificing for an Ideal<br>&nbsp; 21. Self-Sacrifice for Kindred<br>&nbsp; 22. All Sacrificed for Passion<br>&nbsp; 23. Necessity of Sacrificing Loved Ones<br>&nbsp; 24. Rivalry of Superior and Inferior<br>&nbsp; 25. Adultery<br>&nbsp; 26. Crimes of Love<br>&nbsp; 27. Discovery of the Dishonor of a Loved One<br>&nbsp; 28. Obstacles to Love<br>&nbsp; 29. An Enemy Loved<br>&nbsp; 30. Ambition<br>&nbsp; 31. Conflict with a God<br>&nbsp; 32. Mistaken Jealousy<br>&nbsp; 33. Erroneous Judgement<br>&nbsp; 34. Remorse<br>&nbsp; 35. Recovery of a Lost One<br>&nbsp; 36. Loss of Loved Ones.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 06:34:24</strong>
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				I remember that list going around the Ironclaw yahoogroup once upon a time.<br><br>"If we're going to steal plotlines, let us steal from Shakespeare and Marlowe, not Weis and Hickman."&nbsp; :-)
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 07:58:29</strong>
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				It's been a looooooooooooong time since I read W&amp;H. I like the first two Dragonlance trilogies, but you really could hear the dice rolling in the War of the Lance books :)<br><br>Besides, reworking plots has been done manys the time before. Kurosawa remade Shakespear, and I recall it being said that the Forbidden Planet was a remake of .. The Tempest, I think.<br><br>I know I've taken and reused plots from films, books and comics, and reworked them into RPG scenarios down through the years.
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>30-12-2010, 16:29:53</strong>
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				And boy, did Kurosawa-sama ever redo Shakespeare!&nbsp; (I still owe him a wake, now that I think about it.)<br><br><em>Ran</em> is particularly good.<br><br>Yes, Forbidden Planet = The Tempest.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-01-2011, 23:30:05</strong>
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				So, any further thoughts on characters from anyone?
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>04-01-2011, 23:31:14</strong>
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				Not so far.<br>Although, in the absence of a sister, I could just retool Monkeygirl...imagine the fun we could have with an itty bitty tomboy and a bigass spanner!
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				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 07:03:12</strong>
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				It's unfair really, I feel as if I've been baited. lol No not really, but I'm in love with this idea. I usually shy away from group games ... but seriously, I'm in love. <br><br><br>I've got the perfect character for a member of the Foxglove Society, I would just have to tweak her up to fit this world a bit.&nbsp; <br><br>And possibly two. The original wouldn't be of asian type heritage, but I'm pretty sure I could dig one of those up if needed. <br><br>It'll be morning before I can get anything posted (as I'll need to re read everything without sleep fogging my brain) ... but yeah, if you all will have me I'd really enjoy it. <br><br>Have I said I'm in love? Also a note, nice find Hairy. I give you kudos for that one.<br>
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				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 07:54:06</strong>
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				What sort of system would you be using for the game, Hairy?
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 13:18:32</strong>
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				At the moment, none, just free form. There is a system coming, but it's not out yet, and some people may not want to play with a system. Once the system is out, and we can all get a look at it we can decide if we want to use it or not.
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				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 20:49:57</strong>
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				I'm going to start by saying that while I'm not as well versed in Wuxia as some of you, I am terribly intrigued by it. That being said, I have the start of a character:<br><br>Her name is Reya, born into the Foxglove Society and remembers no other way of life. From as far back as she can remember she has been trained in the art of the kill and the art of seduction. More importantly, how to use the art of seduction to gain access and privilege where ever she may need it. Currently, her profession is of a prostitute. Though, one may never know what hides within her corset or skirts. She is a beautiful, dark, and very deadly flower. <br><br>(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv110/jelly_beanjlw/7434crop.jpg)<br><br><br>I see her as in her mid twenties. Of average height, average build though a bit more curvaceous through the hips and ass, with long dark hair. She'll be extremely graceful and controlled, loyal to her society, though finds much enjoyment in her other profession. <br>
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 21:13:55</strong>
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				Sounds good. For wuxia powers, I presume you'd be thinking of improvised weapons and the athletics / light step stuff? Running up walls and over tree branches and such like?
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				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 21:16:39</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4091824#msg4091824">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 05-01-2011, 21:13:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sounds good. For wuxia powers, I presume you'd be thinking of improvised weapons and the athletics / light step stuff? Running up walls and over tree branches and such like?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah, that was part of what I hadn't really figured out yet. Though I more leaning that way. It makes sense, really, if you think about it. The grace, the stamina, etc ... she'd need most of those things in some way regardless. So just making an extension of that for the wuxia powers would seem the logical next step.&nbsp; 
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 21:18:50</strong>
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				Oh, right, names...<br><br>Well, with the twins, I was thinking a play off of the old Green Snake/White Snake thing.&nbsp; Or maybe borrowing a reference or three from Outlaws of the Marsh.
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				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 21:34:28</strong>
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				I'm thinking something along the lines of (thanks, Panda) a Daoist sage, known for inventing strange but oddly effective mechanisms and firearms,&nbsp; and whose usefulness in doing so makes up for his endlessly and repeatedly obscure advice ("To use this gun, you must answer this question: 'what is the sound of lilac?' ")<br><br>His name? Qu.&nbsp; (ba-dum-dish).
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 21:40:32</strong>
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				For another take on the same mindset, have a look at the way philosophers are discussed in Sir Pterry's Small Gods.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; In amongst the murmurings about whether truth is beauty and beauty truth, one gets things like "a parabolic mirror to focus the sun's rays on a distant point makes for a wonderful practical demonstration of principle" that turn out to have, ah, fleet-shattering importance.
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 22:05:07</strong>
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				Q is fun to have around. There's a rather fun version of him in the Man With The Golden Torc and its sequels. The Drood family Armourer, who gets to come up with all the weird and wonderful technological and magical gadgets the field agents get to play with.
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				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 23:41:29</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4091928#msg4091928">Quote from: MadPanda on 05-01-2011, 21:40:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">For another take on the same mindset, have a look at the way philosophers are discussed in Sir Pterry's Small Gods.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; In amongst the murmurings about whether truth is beauty and beauty truth, one gets things like "a parabolic mirror to focus the sun's rays on a distant point makes for a wonderful practical demonstration of principle" that turn out to have, ah, fleet-shattering importance.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ah, yes, I love the History Monks. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Monks)&nbsp; &nbsp;And always remember Rule One: "Do not act incautiously when confronting a little bald wrinkly smiling man."
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-01-2011, 23:43:26</strong>
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				Rule number two must have been "exercise greater discretion when confronted by a little bald wrinkly angry man."&nbsp; &gt;:)
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				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 15:23:49</strong>
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				You thinking a steampunk inventer as well Panda, or more a tinkerer type? Jade family maybe?
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				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 18:34:06</strong>
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				More a tinkerer and engineer than an inventor.&nbsp; Depends on whether I get that twin sister&nbsp; :D
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				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 18:40:28</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095608#msg4095608">Quote from: MadPanda on 06-01-2011, 18:34:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">More a tinkerer and engineer than an inventor.&nbsp; Depends on whether I get that twin sister&nbsp; :D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So rather than come up with something "new" it would be tweaking things already in existence and making them better. <br><br>I know my opinion doesn't count for much, but I like the idea of the tinkering engineer much better than just an inventor. ~nods~ Adds more ... flavor, so to speak. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 18:48:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Argh! We cannot have two tinkerers!<br><br>If that's the case, I'm changing mine to taciturn snarky alcoholic gunfighter.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:00:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095687#msg4095687">Quote from: Remiel on 06-01-2011, 18:48:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Argh! We cannot have two tinkerers!<br><br>If that's the case, I'm changing mine to taciturn snarky alcoholic gunfighter.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Snarky is sexy, for the record. <br><br><br>But, why not two tinkerers ... they can just tinker different things. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:01:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, Pandas could be an apprentice, who ran away from her master to avenge the death of her father. Yours could then be the crotchety Old Master<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/d/dc/Pai-Mei-sitting.jpg)<br><br>It's wu xia. We need some kind of bad tempered venerable almost ancestor ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:08:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095738#msg4095738">Quote from: lollipop on 06-01-2011, 19:00:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Snarky is sexy, for the record. <br><br><br>But, why not two tinkerers ... they can just tinker different things.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's like having a party of four White Mages in Final Fantasy; it just doesn't work!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:11:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Never read Girl Genius? Getting a handfull of Sparks together is always entertaining (from sufficient distance ;) ). Besides, they get along like a house on fire .. you know, sirens wailing, people screaming in panic&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:18:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ha! If I remember my GG, the Sparks ended up either trying to out-compete each other, or dismantling each other's clanks to see how they work, or, worse, "improve" them.&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:25:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Like I said, entertaining ;)<br><br>I am getting tempted to work up something with the venerable ancestor now. If only so I can quote Rule 1 (Do not act incautiously when confronting little bald wrinkly smiling men!) and make up obscure sayings&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:28:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You're still assuming I don't get a hot and sexy twin sister with whom to commit various indiscretions for the melodramatic immorality factor...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:39:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Brainstorming character concepts is fun whatever happens :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:40:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095917#msg4095917">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 06-01-2011, 19:39:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Brainstorming character concepts is fun whatever happens :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Especially when one is contemplating an "almost ancestor"? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:43:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True.<br><br>But to stress--what I have in mind for the spanner-wielding tomboy is NOT a second Qu.&nbsp; Qu does neat gadgets.&nbsp; She does big stuff: infernal engines, steam engines, airships...and I'm not sure there's a lot of overlap between the two that would make one or the other redundant.<br><br>Also, I find the idea of a tiny woman jumping up and down on an oversized wrench trying to get that last lug nut to make one more quarter turn to be vaguely amusing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:50:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095926#msg4095926">Quote from: lollipop on 06-01-2011, 19:40:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Especially when one is contemplating an "almost ancestor"?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yup. Trying to think if I want to go Pai Mei or Cohen the Barbarian ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:56:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, yes: Cohen and his Silver Horde.<br><br>"These people can make a wonderful pot of soup out of a pig's whisker.&nbsp; What's that tell you?"<br><br>Rincewind thought.&nbsp; "It means that they're very good cooks?"<br><br>"It means that someone else pinched the rest of the pig!"<br><br>(paraphrased and poorly remembered exchange from Interesting Times)<br><br>My friend Chen, who grew up in Beijing, assures me that this is fundamentally true.&nbsp; Or, as she puts it, "if it has four legs and is not a table, or flies and is not an airplane, we will eat it."<br><br>Other references there are soul food and barbecue.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:56:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095972#msg4095972">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 06-01-2011, 19:50:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yup. Trying to think if I want to go Pai Mei or Cohen the Barbarian ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oooh ... decisions, decisions ... 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 19:58:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4095999#msg4095999">Quote from: MadPanda on 06-01-2011, 19:56:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>My friend Chen, who grew up in Beijing, assures me that this is fundamentally true.&nbsp; Or, as she puts it, "if it has four legs and is not a table, or flies and is not an airplane, we will eat it."<br><br>Other references there are soul food and barbecue.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Considering I'm from the heartland of soul food and barbecue ... it is very true. I'm thinking my father lives by your friend's motto. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 20:32:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Quite possibly so!&nbsp; Certainly the cuisine of the Big Muddy region would follow suit.&nbsp; (Also covered by Sir Pterry, in Witches Abroad IIRC)<br><br>Anyway...I'd prefer to play the pair of Twisted Sisters if I can find someone willing to play the other lass, and if not I can play the wrench-wielder.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 20:42:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4096170#msg4096170">Quote from: MadPanda on 06-01-2011, 20:32:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Quite possibly so!&nbsp; Certainly the cuisine of the Big Muddy region would follow suit.&nbsp; (Also covered by Sir Pterry, in Witches Abroad IIRC)<br><br>Anyway...I'd prefer to play the pair of Twisted Sisters if I can find someone willing to play the other lass, and if not I can play the wrench-wielder.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I would do it, for no other reason than to prove myself, but I'm not sure I could pull off a sister/sister scene. Especially since I have three sisters myself. lol 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 20:48:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The catch is that they don't find out that they're sisters until after they've fooled around.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; A little extra melodrama, y'see.&nbsp; This isn't just two hawt and sexy babes having fun...it's two lonely and conflicted souls finding comfort in each other after resisting temptation for as long as possible, then discovering that they've just broken a major taboo.&nbsp; (shock!&nbsp; Horror!)<br><br>Not my normal thing, but neither was Curse of the Golden Flower, which has a body count of Elizabethan Tragedy proportions (and also stars Chow Yun Fat playing a real jerk of an Emperor).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 20:58:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;:o Scandalous! [/Twisp]
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:06:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, exactly!<br><br>Note that what happens after is not yet determined--do the two decide 'screw this, we didn't know, no blood no foul'?&nbsp; Do they recoil in revulsion?&nbsp; Do they decide that the rules to not apply and decide to keep it up?&nbsp; Perhaps they take out their rage and disgust on the scenario Big Bad, but one or the other is tragically distracted and dies while inadvertently saving her sister/lover.<br><br>Lollipop, do we want our two to be twins raised apart?&nbsp; Or half-sisters?<br><br>(ooooo!&nbsp; Or even unrelated, but someone convinces that they're sisters the morning after, thus driving one or the other into a Big Bad eviscerating frenzy, only to have it come out later that the whole thing was a lie...damn, I've got to quit reading Hammett before bedtime!)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:15:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Originally I picked the whore, because while new to Wu xia in general ... I'm not new to playing a whore (seems guys like the hot prostitute).<br><br>However, Panda, I'll make you a deal ... if we can't recruit more ladies in the next little while I'll see what I can't do about a sister. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:19:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You may play the cute and lethal young lady of negotiable affection.&nbsp; I rather like her concept, and she gives me something to work with in building my character, since they have to be sufficiently different not to immediately realize their blood tie.<br><br>Unfortunately my brain is unexpectedly going in very Ross McDonald directions...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:41:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4096353#msg4096353">Quote from: MadPanda on 06-01-2011, 21:19:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You may play the cute and lethal young lady of negotiable affection.&nbsp; I rather like her concept, and she gives me something to work with in building my character, since they have to be sufficiently different not to immediately realize their blood tie.<br><br>Unfortunately my brain is unexpectedly going in very Ross McDonald directions...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That could prove problematic for the character in my head ... or interesting. It depends, me thinks, one if any of the guys are willing to bone the chick as well. Not because I need a male character counterpart, but because she is a prostitute. I rarely get to play an actually practicing prostitute. You add that with with the story with the other chick and it could be very ... drama inducing yumminess.<br><br>Hrm ... much to think on. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:43:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By all means, enjoy the boys as well.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:49:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4096448#msg4096448">Quote from: MadPanda on 06-01-2011, 21:43:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">By all means, enjoy the boys as well.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>hahaha ... <br><br><br>I'm still turning this around in my head, but so far sounds fun. Though you gentlemen will have to school me on the finer parts of Wu xia. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>06-01-2011, 21:52:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In fact, your character's main profession might well be a catalyst, if I play the usual raised-in-isolation ice-maiden sort...cliche, but useful.&nbsp; (rubs chin thoughtfully)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 20:06:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have your ideas crystallised any better yet then?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 20:07:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Waiting to confirm the partnership.&nbsp; (heh)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 20:12:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That was more directed to lollipop :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 01:15:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Did somebody say my name? I'm ready, pretty much whenever you guys all are. If you are all still going to do it, I'm here. I've also had a different character stuck in my head if we need another. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 01:43:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Play whichever appeals more :)<br><br>Are you going to go with the sisters idea, or .. ?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 01:45:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4115188#msg4115188">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 11-01-2011, 01:43:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Play whichever appeals more :)<br><br>Are you going to go with the sisters idea, or .. ?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I can play both, if need be. I'm used to playing multiple characters. Especially in group threads. <br><br>I said I'd happily give it (the sisters idea) a try if ... she could still be a giant ho bag elsewhere. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 01:48:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have no objection to my long lost sister being a very affectionate person...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 02:07:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4115220#msg4115220">Quote from: MadPanda on 11-01-2011, 01:48:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I have no objection to my long lost sister being a very affectionate person...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>rofl ... for some reason, that had me laughing hard enough to be asked "whats so funny". 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 03:14:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, filling in a few details...<br><br><em><strong>Xiaogou Jade</strong></em> bears an amazing resemblance to a certain member of the Foxglove society, although her hair is worn shorter and she sports an eyepatch that gives her a rather piratical air.&nbsp; She's smaller and more slender, her tanned body sporting a few scars from training methods best left unmentioned.&nbsp; She looks pretty much like a ragamuffin teenager, which is exactly what she wants people to think.<br><br>Her name roughly translates as 'Little Dog'.&nbsp; This may not be a name so much as a misogynistic epithet worn as a badge of defiance.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Caela</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 05:47:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Am still very interested here. Sorry have been out of the look on my OOC threads for a few days. Getting caught up. As I have tomorrow off I will write up the character in my head in the morning. Need to look back over the clans, be sure I have them down, before I really get her to solidified in my head. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 06:35:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4116414#msg4116414">Quote from: Caela on 11-01-2011, 05:47:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Am still very interested here. Sorry have been out of the look on my OOC threads for a few days. Getting caught up. As I have tomorrow off I will write up the character in my head in the morning. Need to look back over the clans, be sure I have them down, before I really get her to solidified in my head. :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Whoohoo!&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 14:25:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries, I didn't get a whole lot of posting done myself this weekend past.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Caela</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 20:05:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rhiannon Jade, joined the "Jade Family" at the tender age of 8. Both her parents had died the year before and the Uncle she'd been left with was a cruel, heartless man who saw her more as a free servant than family. She run from his home after only a few shorts months with him and had been making her way on the streets of the town (whose name she doesn't even remember now) as a deft pickpocket when a band of "Travelers"&nbsp; came through. She'd attempted to pick the wrong pocket, only failing when one of the other Jade children saw her and cried out, and the woman she'd been trying to steal from had been impressed with her skill and the nimbleness of her fingers. When the woman offered to take her away from the town she was living in she jumped at the opportunity. Even at such a young age she knew her options on the streets were few and this woman was offering her an escape. <br><br>She'd officially been the woman's (Tia Jade) daughter for the past 17 years until she too passed away leaving Rhiannon with a wealth of knowledge, far superior skills at weaning people of their money, and her wagon. A rickety looking thing that look like it should fall apart at the briefest puff of wind but that continued to roll through even the harshest winter storms. Rhiannon is also an expert on fixing up the mechanics that keep her wagon running, but doesn't bother with tinkering much beyond that. <br><br>At 25, she enjoys traveling on her own or with "cousins" when she comes across them from time to time. She makes her money where, and how she can; often dancing or singing for her supper, or more if the right man makes the right offer. She doesn't shy from her first skill set either and more than one townie has lost their money to her light fingers while being lost in her pretty blue eyes and none the wiser for it.<br><br>Pretty and delicate as she looks, she's not to be underestimated. Soft skin and large eyes hide an intelligent mind and her delicate form conceals a surprising strength and skill. She's talented with the knives often concealed by her full skirts, and the many scarves she favors are rarely just for decoration. Being her enemy is <em>not</em> a safe proposition if one enjoys being able to breath. <br><br>(http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae282/caela_ecub/Blondes/Gypsy-1.jpg)<br><br><br>Just a thought for a character, easily tweaked as needed...let me know what you think!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 20:58:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Since MadPanda's cornered the market on tinkerers, I'm thinking about going with the Lin Jong-like "anti-hero" who is the reclusive, patently alcoholic gunfighter who can occasionally be prodded into reluctant feats of heroism.<br><br>For the image, I'm going to borrow Hairy's example:<br><br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg)<br><br>Edit: It occurs to me that, with Wuxia, I could probably incorporate elements from Wanted (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/), such as doing fancy martial-arts tricks with bullets (shooting bullets out of the air, taking shots around buildings, that sort of thing).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 21:02:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Uh, Remiel?&nbsp; You might want to look again.<br>I'm not playing a tinkerer.&nbsp; That was a <em>possibility</em> in case my first idea didn't pan out.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 21:23:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Too late! I'm emotionally invested now.&nbsp; ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 21:24:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(eyeroll)<br>Just don't blame me for the decision&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 01:00:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=93133.msg4118908#msg4118908">Quote from: Remiel on 11-01-2011, 20:58:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Since MadPanda's cornered the market on tinkerers, I'm thinking about going with the Lin Jong-like "anti-hero" who is the reclusive, patently alcoholic gunfighter who can occasionally be prodded into reluctant feats of heroism.<br><br>For the image, I'm going to borrow Hairy's example:<br><br>http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg (http://www.adamantentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/sample2.jpg)<br><br>Edit: It occurs to me that, with Wuxia, I could probably incorporate elements from Wanted (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/), such as doing fancy martial-arts tricks with bullets (shooting bullets out of the air, taking shots around buildings, that sort of thing).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Are you thinking one of the Rangers? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 19:41:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Um....maybe? I think I'm missing some context here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 20:55:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				From my first post in the wants thread<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92809.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92809.0)<br><br>The Rangers: Sometimes called 'The Knights of the Far West' -- a nearly monastic order of gunslinger/knights, dedicated to serving Justice, rather than any particular government. The inspiration for this clan can be found in a combination of The Lone Ranger, Stephen King's Gunslingers, and the Knights Templar. Their kung-fu is based entirely around the use of firearms -- they can actually defend as well as attack using the Gun skill (shooting an opponent's bullet out of the air!).<br><br>Their loyalty to their own order caused them to run afoul of the Empire (shades of what happened to the Templars), and the Rangers were rounded up, outlawed, arrested and/or killed. Today, they are legendary. Wandering the Far West, outlawed but still serving their Code:<br><br>"No Falsehood shall pass my lips;<br>For my Heart is True.<br>No Injustice shall pass my sight;<br>For my Aim is True.<br>The Wicked shall meet my Wrath;<br>For I Ride--<br>And Justice rides with me."
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 23:23:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, yes.&nbsp; Something like that, yes.&nbsp; But perhaps a bit jaded and world-weary.&nbsp; Something like Bruce Lee meets Clint Eastwood.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 16:34:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, by my reckoning we have two Jades (I'm presuming Monkey girl is a Jade here), a Foxglove, a possible Ranger and my crotchety Old Master. That sounds enough to get a decent start.<br><br>Now, we have our Jade and Foxglove tied together by a quest for vengence. Do we want to bring the other characters into that, or simply have them meet and come together in other ways?<br><br>I figured on fleshing out (to a degree) a small town to kick things off, and give us a spot to work from. Here's a few thoughts on that.<br><br>Town name of Prosperity (or something similar), on the fringes of the land, beyond the railway network (though rumours have been circulating that a railroad may be coming this way). Feelings on this are mixed. Some people like the idea of a railway bringing wealth and *ahem* prosperity to the twon, others feel its an incroachment of the Empire that they wanted to get away from.<br><br>Much of the wealth of the town comes from cattle, with two (three?) major cattle barons holding most of the land. The third 'baron' is actually an alliance of smaller farmers, who have banded together for mutual protection.<br><br>There's also normal farming, and lumber and a few mines in the nearby hills.<br><br>The town would have the usual collection of stores, saloons, and so on.<br><br>How does that sound to give us some dynamics to work with?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 17:14:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, she is.&nbsp; Says so in her write-up, but she's not Monkeygirl by a <em>loooooong</em>shot.<br><br>Prosperity sounds like a good start.&nbsp; Probably has a saloon by the name of Bountiful Fortune (where the gaming tables are fixed and the drinks are watered down...)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-01-2011, 16:13:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for the silence folks, I'm in the middle of moving house at present. Feel free to toss out ideas here though, links to characters, stuff you'd like to do, interesting NPCs for the town and so on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>21-01-2011, 17:49:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Suggestion one: the local sheriff should, by tradition, be a drunken old vet who got elected to the job because he's the one man both of the land barons agreed would be least capable of interfering with them.&nbsp; He will probably die in some pathetic attempt to prove to himself that he can still be proud and heroic.<br><br>Suggestion two: three major landowning parties?&nbsp; The most unstable formation in just about anything is a triangle...and all three powerhouses know it.&nbsp; Neither of the barons will ally with each other against the association, and the association is leery of being used to soften up a baron for his competitor.&nbsp; But with both barons hiring on mercs and bandits, it's only a matter of time before something goes 'boom', and the association is likely to get creamed in the process.<br><br>Final note:&nbsp; I hadn't found a decent pic of what I think Xiaogou would be wearing.&nbsp; She probably wishes she looks like this...<br><br>http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/ff10-2-yuna.html (http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/ff10-2-yuna.html)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:39:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I'm back and mostly caught up on everything. Are people still interested in this, or did it fizzle while I was away?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:42:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still ready and rarin' to go!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Remiel</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 00:11:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still interested!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>lollipop</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 16:49:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still mostly interested. ~nods~
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 02:23:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, what are your thoughts on a town, characters, setting? Anything you'd like to suggest, or tweak what suggestions we've already offered?<br><br>BTW, I saw this on the RPG.net forums<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">We got hit with delays -- caused by a sizeable chuck of returns from Borders resulting in a major hit to an expected quarterly earnings payment. This payment was earmarked for (among other things), FAR WEST launch budget.<br><br>At this point, we're looking for the site to go live sometime in March, with the RPG to follow soon after.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So hopefully we'll have more background to work with soon.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>29-06-2011, 06:46:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				IT LIVES!!!!!<br><br>After the regrettable inevitability of delays, delays, and yet more delays, they've updated the site.&nbsp; We might even see the rules by August...<br><br>http://intothefarwest.com (http://intothefarwest.com)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>05-08-2012, 17:23:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<em><strong>IT LIVES!!!!!!</strong></em>&nbsp; Redux.<br><br>After a record Kickstarter, developmental delays, loss of an excellent artist due to personal reasons, and a whole lot of other slowdowns, Far West is finally on the path to publication!&nbsp; And I know this why?<br><br>'Cause I'm a backer, and some of us have gotten the manuscript to review (and edit) before it goes to the printers on the 31st.<br><br>The good news is, this is gonna rock!&nbsp; The bad news is, our characters will probably need some adjustment.<br><br>You have five attributes (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Wits, and Charisma) which are either determined by rolling 4d6 and dropping the low die, <em>or</em> done True d20 style by assigning a total of 7 points to bonuses.<br><br>There are also some adjustments depending on the power level of the game.<br><br>You roll 1d20 to find out where you grew up.<br><br>You roll 2d20 to find out what you did before hitting the Dust Road.<br><br>(Now, H2 and I being the relaxed, laid-back, easy-going hombres we are, I imagine he and I might be willing to permit folks to tell us what they'd like to play and then tell you what you rolled...)<br><br>I'll share more as we get closer to the official release of the Backer's version PDF.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>08-09-2012, 01:59:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I came across this this evening<br><br>The Man With The Iron Fists - Official Trailer (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FyGHAUpSIQ#ws)<br><br>I think this could fit ITFW quite nicely.<br><br>It looks rather entertaining at any rate.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Into the Far West - OOC thread</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>MadPanda</strong> on <strong>08-09-2012, 16:54:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Another update while I wait for the next pre-publication installment for inspection (they're running a wee bit behind schedule...)<br><br>You have a certain number of Knacks, depending on power level.&nbsp; For Novices, this is 6.&nbsp; For Initiates, it's 12.&nbsp; Knacks are the usual run of Advantages, including several that might normally be thought of as 'kung fu superpowers'...Wire-Fu jumping about?&nbsp; That's covered by a Knack.<br><br>The most important knack in the game is something called Martial Training.&nbsp; It's the prerequisite for all the 'wire fu' Knacks, and can be taken multiple times.&nbsp; You will want to take it multiple times, most likely, because each time you take MT, you get to choose or design a Martial Arts Style that your character knows.&nbsp; I will not attempt to do the martial arts construction rules justice, but they remind me (just a little) of the spell construction rules in Ars Magica in their flexibility, adaptability, and ease of application.&nbsp; &nbsp;;D&nbsp; (And why do you want to have more than one martial arts style?&nbsp; Why not just take, say, Cobra Fist Chop Sockey and be done with it?&nbsp; Because someone out there is going to design Mongoose Kick Wappi Smakkim, that cancels out Cobra Fist Chop Sockey...that is, you can research your foes and design a martial arts style specifically meant to cancel out their training, leaving them vulnerable to your superior kenpo!)<br><br>Hopefully the next installment, when it cometh, shall cover those super secret clan styles associated with the various Factions.
			</dd>
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