Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz)
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				Title: <strong>Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 03:55:10</strong>
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				I've been talking back and forth with almost everyone one-on-one with various ideas about this or that.&nbsp; To clean up my PMs and open it up, I thought I'd start us an OOC thread.&nbsp; Also if we ever reach 1000 posts (all threads combined) we can apply to move to Big Games and get our own subforum.&nbsp; While we're all in one thread now, it might make sense at some point later on to split off some other sub threads, so I can see where that would be useful.&nbsp; Putting our OOC chat into the forums helps build toward that total.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:10:26</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=11726">Quote from: Angzyn on 24-01-2011, 20:41:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/Angzyn/Untitled.png)<br><br>If she gets her way about making a camp sight that will last them a few weeks until they get something else built up it will look like one of these two. First one with just the Taxi and Car, try and make some home made torches and line the openings (To keep animals away sense most wild life stay away from open flames), having their camp in the middle. The second one is like the first but with the SUV in it. I mean they might be a little broken but all five of them might be able to push them where it needs to be like covered wagons in a wild-west movie. Not saying this will happen before night fall. Making it a safe Temporary Camp Sight.&nbsp; <br><br>Another thing she would want to do is get an inventory of everything they have so the group will know what they have to work with, using one of the cars a "Safe" to keep everything locked up. <br><br>I like your idea about how they will make it past the first night with the clothes and the SUV (min-van). They just need to get it out the tree slowly. <br><br>Also we should think one or all of the cars will have first aid kits and a road side bag. The Taxi would most likely have both. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=753">Quote from: thymoit on 24-01-2011, 21:45:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Looks reasonable to me.&nbsp; I agree most wildwife will stay away from fire - if everyone practices good sanitation.&nbsp; If people start throwing food trash around, you'll draw wildlife, despite the fires.&nbsp; The problem with the fires is they'll take a lot of fuel to keep them going and someone will probably have to tend them in the night.<br><br>You might want to consider the presence of the bridge as well.&nbsp; At the lowest end the roadway is three feet above the prairie.&nbsp; The top of the bridge is about two stories above the surrounding land.&nbsp; That's pretty safe from predators.&nbsp; However, it is also more exposed to the northern wind.&nbsp; The first night camping on the south side of the embankment might be attractive, but after the first day the flood plain will start turning into a pond.&nbsp; Tough choices all around.<br><br>Once the water level rises, the bridge will be surrounded on three sides by water, making it a good choice for a permanent camp, but until they can build walls or at least stack up logs to make a windbreak, it is going to be exposed and cold.<br><br>Also if this is early spring, is the bridge high enough when the melt hits and the stream goes into flood?&nbsp; Two stories high?&nbsp; Probably, safe, but it still a concern.<br><br>I also like your idea of using one of the cars as a safe.&nbsp; That's smart thinking.&nbsp; Especially since some of the food from fat dead guy will be raw meat.&nbsp; With a high in the 40s it will keep a few days, but it is almost begging predators to come around.&nbsp; Not to mention the corpse - what are you going to do with 400 lbs of dead guy?&nbsp; The respectful thing is to bury him, but they had better bury him deep.&nbsp; Wolves and bears can smell corpses in a shallow grave.&nbsp; Digging a hole will take a lot of time that you won't have to get the shelter ready.<br><br>Here is my prospective grocery list.&nbsp; I'll post this to the wiki later.&nbsp; I tried to balance it between useful foods and "You fat idiot!&nbsp; What the hell were you thinking?!"&nbsp; I'm not sure what is in your army survival book, but I bet the trashbags alone are a godsend.&nbsp; Stuffed with drygrass they can be insulation.&nbsp; Punch holes in one, you've got a fish net.&nbsp; Those are just two ideas off the top of my head. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=11726">Quote from: Angzyn on 24-01-2011, 22:17:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's why I said temp, camp. Most likely 3-7 days until they can build something on the overpass. I was thinking about useing the overpass as a foundation or go old school movies with a tree house...but building on the overpass was my first pick. Because with a small pond under them it would also allow for fishing from a safe place. <br><br>As for the list I think adding pototes would be a good idea as would matchs or a lighter for the logs. <br><br>For the torch idea if you wrap cloth around a good size stick and soke it in gas ((from the cars)) they last about 2-4 days if you put them out when you not useing them. Also Anico would know all about fire watchs and would handle handing out such task. ((Which might add some emotion to the group)) maybe having to say up for each an hour or so watching the camp from the safety of the suv's front seat while the others sleep in the back.<br><br>As for the dead guy....Acino might request they just drag him away from camp, maybe lucking out half way and finding a natual hole to throw him in. But it would take all 5 of them to drag him away.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Thought I would post everything we talked about the camp. Hope you don't mind. If so I'll edit...if you want me to add more of what we talked about just tell me and I will edit. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:33:50</strong>
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				That's fine that you reposted.&nbsp; I think others might have input.<br><br>I should also add that even at best, this camp probably won't be ready before nightfall on day one.&nbsp; There are about two hours of daylight.&nbsp; That's going to run out fast.&nbsp; The prairie isn't dry grass.&nbsp; The soil is damp from from snow, but it is still a tall grass prarier.&nbsp; They can get a fire going fast, but it is going to be difficult to get this set up before night and not be a fire risk.&nbsp; <br><br>As I suggested to Angyzn before, the first night is probably going to have to be a cold camp with everyone huddled together in one vehicle underneath all the blankets and with the clothes unpacked and tossed as a layer on top.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:50:34</strong>
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				I know I know. I have a few things planned out in my mind depending on input and how the RP goes. <br><br>I can see her getting into everyone ass if they don't help pull there load, getting the seats out of the van, getting the van set up (clothes and all), trying to get the dead body away from camp before it gets to dark. <br><br>The next day a few people might not like her as she tries to pull everyone into trying to get as much done with out much rest. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 05:02:19</strong>
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				Actually, if it works the same way it did when we were building up X-Men, OOC does not not count towards post total. :(<br><br>Also.. Astrology could potentially tell the seasons if Im not mistaken. <br><br>Hmm This was replying to an astrology comment in the PMs. I would like to get away from PMs too as they do tend to clutter my mailbox. I have enough saved in there that I don't need more when we have a thread for this stuff :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 06:27:50</strong>
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				Too bad.&nbsp; Well, we're not likely to get to 1000 posts or need another forum.&nbsp; I think we can manage just fine with a game thread and an OOC thread.&nbsp; Now, my promised post for Criptika:<br><br><strong>Astronomy for Bethany</strong><br><br>This is mostly to help Criptika handwave the science for Bethany, but everyone is free to chime in.<br><br>Ok, first let me admit I was a big science nerd when I was younger.&nbsp; Once upon a time I wanted to be an astronaut or an astronomer and didn't realize the difference between the two.&nbsp; I read a lot of astronomy and eventually even had my own telescope for christmas - which was when I learned real astronomy was pretty boring.&nbsp; Looking at the planets can be fun for a night.&nbsp; After that I got bored, but some people love it.&nbsp; Anyway, I think I know enough to help fake it.<br><br>Bethany has three clues that will help her identify the time:<br>(1) The Earth's axis precesses like a top in a 26,000 year cycle<br>(2) The proper motion of the stars slowly distorts constellations over a period of tens of thousands of years<br>(3) Supernovas, particularly the Crab Nebula<br><br><strong> What Bethany can tell in a few minutes of looking at the night sky</strong><br>Any professional astronomer or series stargazer knows the constellations like most of us know the layout our hometown.&nbsp; Once it is dark enough to see constellations, Bethany will be able to tell that all the same familiar constellations are still recognizeable, but some of them are distorted.&nbsp; That's caused by the proper motion of the stars.&nbsp; Without reference books Bethany will be hard put an exact number to it, but could make a rough guess, between 10,000 years and 100,000 years.<br><br><strong>Past or future?</strong><br><br>That won't immediately tell Bethany whether they are in the past or the future.&nbsp; Sure it looks like the ice age, but as far as they know the human race wiped itself out and they're in the future.&nbsp; Bethany can prove it's the past by checking the night sky.<br><br>She will also be able to determine if they are in the past or the future by checking for supernovas.&nbsp; I'm not sure how familiar you are with astronomy, but stars burn bigger and brighter at the end of their lifespan, just before they go supernova.&nbsp; All of the big bright stars that Bethany is familiar with: Betelgeuse, Antares, etc are still up there.&nbsp; Plus there is a new one in the constellation of Taurus, that's a big clue.<br><br>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Crab_Nebula.jpg/250px-Crab_Nebula.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Crab_Nebula.jpg/250px-Crab_Nebula.jpg)<br>There aren't a lot of pretty things to look at in the night sky other than the planets.&nbsp; If you look at a star in a telescope, guess what, it still looks like a bright dot.&nbsp; However, if you know where to look, some of them aren't just dots.&nbsp; You can see nebula and star clusters.&nbsp; One rather famous one that Bethany would know if she is any kind of stargazer is the Crab Nebula.&nbsp; It's not as pretty as the picture unless you have a major telescope, but even with a small one you can see a smudge and it has an interesting story.&nbsp; It turns out we know exactly when the star that made the crab nebula went supernova because it was recorded by both Chinese and Arab astronomers as happening in 1054 AD.&nbsp; Looking at right where Bethany's good friend the Crab Nebula should be - Bethany sees a nice shiny star.&nbsp; Which means they are definately in the past and not the future.<br><br><strong>What Bethany can deduce after a few hours of watching the night sky</strong><br><br>What part of the sky we see every night changes as the sun moves around the sun.&nbsp; We see a different piece in spring than summer.&nbsp; This ties into the zodiac, the twelve constellations used in Astrology.&nbsp; Looking at the night sky, it looks like what Bethany is used to seeing in spring, but she can't be sure of that, because the Earth's axis slow precesses like a top on a 26,000 year cycle.<br><br>Which means 13,000 years from now the constellations we now see in summer will be seen in winter then vice versa, but she can use the wobble of the Earth's axis as a kind of clock.&nbsp; She'll have to watch the sky and pay attention for several hours, but after a lot of stargazing, she'll be pretty certain that Polaris, our north star, is once again the north star.<br><br>Which means it is either 24000 BC or 50000 BC or 76000 BC.&nbsp; Going back to Bethany's first gut feel, more than 10,000 and less than 100,000 and having to pick one of those three - 50,000 BC feels right.&nbsp; Maybe it is 24,000 BC.&nbsp; Maybe it is 76,000 BC, but most probably it is 50,000 BC and sometime in the spring.&nbsp; Maybe late March or early April.<br><br><br><strong>What Bethany can determine in a few days of measuring sunrise and sunset</strong><br><br>On the spring equinox (March 20th most years, March 21st on leap year), day and night are approximately equal.&nbsp; Each day after that the day gets a little longer and the night a little shorter, until the summer solistice, June 20th (21st on leap years).&nbsp; A few days of measuring sunrise and sunset will help narrow down the date.&nbsp; It's approximately the first week of April<br><br><strong>With lots of time Bethany can also</strong><br><br>Improvise some primitive instruments that will help her determine the exact date of the summer solistice when it happens.&nbsp; That involves measuring shadows and I'd rather just handwave it.<br><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 23:15:42</strong>
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				Been picking the brain of my friend who really IS in Med school and I've decided that Heather was working a part time job as an EMT while attending school. She's been in school for two years so far, and was just about to take her test on the academics stuff, which would determine which fields were available for her to go into. She never got to take the test, never learned her fields, and so never settled on a career path.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 23:56:37</strong>
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				I love Cadburry Creme Eggs. Just saying.<br><br>Also, it strikes me that since Heather is a Dallas native, she's going to sound country. Mainly just in times of high emotions or stress. Otherwise, she tries to speak a bit more well rounded.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 03:03:18</strong>
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				Seraph, why don't you go ahead and post if Heather jumps or not and I'll post the catch (or miss&nbsp; &gt;:) ).&nbsp; I think everyone is waiting on the outcome of that for their own reactions anyway.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 03:06:45</strong>
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				I get scared of going too fast &gt;.&lt; I don't wanna step on any toes.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 03:10:43</strong>
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				I understand, but everyone is waiting to see if Heather jumps or not.&nbsp; There isn't much they can do until you post.&nbsp; Ok, they can scramble out from under the van, but I think that's a given.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 03:36:58</strong>
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				Ok, everyone please react to the van falling now.&nbsp; Heather is safe.&nbsp; The van is upside down and dead fat guy is dangling from his seatbelt.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 04:08:16</strong>
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				And kudos to Angzyn who suggested that having the van crash to the ground Hollywood style would be more dramatic and interesting than having it stuck in the trees.&nbsp; I took her idea and ran with it.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 04:11:36</strong>
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				Was the last line regarding Adam meant to imply that he had fallen with Heather in his lap, or that he was slowing down to avoid such a situation?<br><br>Also, every time i type Adam, I keep typing Adamn and have to go back and fix it. lol
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 04:37:35</strong>
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				Yes, Adam fell on his ass with Heather in his lap.&nbsp; I'll go back and revisit my last post and make that more clear.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:00:01</strong>
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				I will post first thing tomorrow morning (5:30am pst) however I have no idea how they are going to flip the van over in order to sleep in it now *laughs*
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:01:38</strong>
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				Levers. 5 people, felled trees and limbs. Rocks or tree trunks for leverage and a lot of pushing. I Imagine they might be better off dragging the dead guy out first though.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:14:58</strong>
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				Yea that would number one on Angzyn's to do list.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:29:42</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4190464#msg4190464">Quote from: Seraph on 28-01-2011, 05:01:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Levers. 5 people, felled trees and limbs. Rocks or tree trunks for leverage and a lot of pushing. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Tire jacks x 3 will probably help here.&nbsp; Jack up one side, prop with tree trunks.&nbsp; Move jacks, repeat.<br><br>Also I should note that there is a noticeable shortage of rock in the vicinity.&nbsp; The burning chunk of wreckage might do as a good pivot for a tree-trunk lever once it stops burning.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4190464#msg4190464">Quote from: Seraph on 28-01-2011, 05:01:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I Imagine they might be better off dragging the dead guy out first though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4190525#msg4190525">Quote from: Angzyn on 28-01-2011, 05:14:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yea that would number one on Angzyn's to do list.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Daylight, two hours, groceries to move, dead guy to deal with.&nbsp; Time is passing.&nbsp; Also Adam better get dry or he won't have to wait until evening for hypothermia.&nbsp; 40 degree weather and wet clothing is not a good combination.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:33:40</strong>
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				Adam can wear the dead guys pants, or he can wear girl pants.&nbsp; &gt;:) 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 05:49:02</strong>
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				AnicoMs uniform might fit him...they always giving you a set that's to big. Ass wholes.<br><br><br>Allso I just though of a kick ass post. Why dose the computer have to be all the way down stairs.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 06:02:39</strong>
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				Reminding everyone that starting the 28th, I will be moving. I'll likely have unreliable access into Feb. But I will do my best to post when I can.I will prioritize this game over others, but I have already given Thymoit permission to NPC Heather as needed if I am not able to respond in a timely manner. Whatever is done with her as an NPC, I will adjust into my character concept and adapt to it. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 14:08:09</strong>
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				&nbsp;:-[ er... so laides what we doing about our monthly cycle ? I did say to thymoit we would have to be really inventive given the very male shopping list. Any taking the period stopping injection?<br><br><br><br>Edit:&nbsp; &nbsp;However I found this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Palha_de_madeira2.jpg) interesting, and a blub from wik:<br>"Another application of this product was that of sanitary towels, as shown in advertisements of 1885–1892 in Britain...." <br>&nbsp;... as well as a few others that must work. 8-)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 00:56:57</strong>
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				I guess that's one aspect of the game that we need to decide on as a group if we want to skim over or go into detail on..<br><br>And women who are close to each other tend to sync up. <br><br>I would prefer to gloss over it, personally. We have clothing and stuff. Absorbent cloth can be packed into panties and washed regularly. <br><br>How does everyone feel? Is this an aspect of roughing it that you feel will ruin the game if it is either included or not included?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 01:03:18</strong>
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				May I just say, bless B&amp;N for public internet?<br><br>ATT screwed up my phone/internet transfer and I will have no internet at neither home until the 31st at the earliest. Possibly later.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 01:32:11</strong>
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				That sucks Seraph, but good to have you online.&nbsp; I hope the move is going well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 01:38:03</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Hopefully this issue with the phone/internet isn't an indication of bad things to come. We had plans for a Pathfinder group tonight, but that got canceled. SO bored.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 02:06:13</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, just wanted to note that everyone would hear Anico talking and might react to it. After all she is not speaking soft and kindly to everyone. Think almost bootcamp.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 03:33:58</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I had a pic of Adam wet, so I just had to post it given the circumstances.&nbsp; I doubt you ladies will mind.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 13:56:17</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4193587#msg4193587">Quote from: Seraph on 29-01-2011, 00:56:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I guess that's one aspect of the game that we need to decide on as a group if we want to skim over or go into detail on..<br><br>And women who are close to each other tend to sync up. <br><br>I would prefer to gloss over it, personally. We have clothing and stuff. Absorbent cloth can be packed into panties and washed regularly. <br><br>How does everyone feel? Is this an aspect of roughing it that you feel will ruin the game if it is either included or not included?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The game feels quite realistic to me so I'm more for the realism, however it may as well be glossed over if that's too real for some. I don't mind.... was just saying :-)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 14:50:17</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm ok glossing over some parts.&nbsp; We certainly don't need to follow characters into the bathroom or in their case the latrine trench.&nbsp; If Seraph would rather gloss this over, I'm sure it gets handled.&nbsp; Probably isn't comfortable, but we can skip the details.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 18:45:59</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Same I'm okay with glossing it over. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 06:24:53</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, I'm adding this to the wiki, but Angzyn asked some questions that made it clear my layout in 50,000BC is still confusing.&nbsp; So here is a new map.<br><br>(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/0/0c/BCterrainaerial.jpg)<br>Red = where the 50,000 BC terrain is higher than the 2011 AD zone<br>Black = where the 50,000 BC terrain is lower than the 2011 AD<br>Green = a small zone where the terrains roughly level<br>Light Blue dashed line = approximately where the water will rise to as the stream floods the basin<br>Dark Blue dotted line = the stream in 50,000 BC<br>Green = The aspen forrest surrounding the stream (edge probably isn't that sharp)<br>Black Rectangle = the location of the minivan<br><br>I hope this helps.<br>
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 17:02:09</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Back to the drawing bored&nbsp; :-\<br><br>The camp site me and thymoit worked out is most likely not going to work. <br><br>Oh and where did the other cars land? Just so everyone has a ruff idea. <br><br>Now for a bit of good news. Been running a few ideas on a more permit shelter and I think I have a few. Will post them up later on today for everyone to vote on them.&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 18:15:13</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/Angzyn/BCterrainaerial.jpg)<br>(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/Angzyn/birch1.jpg)<br>(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/Angzyn/grass1.jpg)<br>(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb395/Angzyn/natchez1.jpg)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 18:48:01</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, I updated the images and added the taxi (Yellow) and Helen's car (White) to the map.&nbsp; You may have to refresh your browser to see them, I did.&nbsp; In doing so I realized that I got my directions reversed and have people driving on the wrong side of the highway.&nbsp; Ugh.&nbsp; The problem with running a realistic game is so easy to make a mistake in the details.&nbsp; My apologies for the screw-up, but I've already spent hours on the map.&nbsp; I'm just going to handwave that little oops.<br><br>I'm not sure the original shelter won't work.&nbsp; They can at least get two of the cars up onto the roadway and the bridge fairly easily.&nbsp; They can drive them across at the roughly level zone (maybe with a little bit of earth moving) then up the embankment to the roadway.&nbsp; There is a wood post and metal guardrail but removing a section shouldn't be too difficult.<br><br>Getting the van up onto the roadway will be more of a challenge, but it shouldn't be insurmountable.&nbsp; They've got five healthy adults and two working cars.&nbsp; The hardest part is they're going to have fell some trees.&nbsp; They'll probably want to do that anyway.&nbsp; Most animals don't climb, but bears, possums and squirrels might.&nbsp; They'll probably have to create some kind of axe or saw.<br><br>Now, looking at your shelters.&nbsp; I'm not convinced the lean-to shelter is any better than sleeping in the van.&nbsp; I don't see that it is large enough to accomodate a fire and it is probably less weather proof.&nbsp; It seems like a lot of effort to go to end up with something that is still inadquate.&nbsp; The big plus is that it gets them out of the woods.<br><br>Any of the houses you posted would work for an intermediate house.&nbsp; I'd also like to add the sod house to the list:<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod_house (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod_house)<br><br>That's another primitive housing type they could build.&nbsp; Long term, they probably want to go brick - if they stay.&nbsp; I know people lived in houses like that, but I don't know that our 2011 AD crowd will be satisfied in such home.&nbsp; One thing they'll have in abundance is clay.&nbsp; Red clay is the most common strata just below the topsoil and they'll easily find some along the riverbanks.&nbsp; They'll need an intermediate home.&nbsp; It would take weeks of hard work to make a brick home - if they make one.<br><br>A brick home would be a major investment, but it would be predator and weather secure.&nbsp; The downside is the time spent building it.&nbsp; Time that might be better spent gathering food for winter or migrating.&nbsp; The bridge is a very good place to settle, but they could just abandon it, head south for warmer climate and milder winter.&nbsp; It is a point worth considering.<br><br>Criptika might have some ideas about bricks and homes.&nbsp; Creating stuff from natural materials particularly pottery is one of her character's strengths.&nbsp; Although I haven't seen her online in a couple of days.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 19:46:52</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				We should probably add log cabin to the list of housing options.&nbsp; Either full log cabin or thatched (grass) roof.&nbsp; I'm still not sure how they'll work out chopping trees.&nbsp; They have steel sheets - the guardrails.&nbsp; Maybe they could improvise axes from that?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 00:56:53</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I know it is easy for a group game to stall.&nbsp; My goal is for everyone to get a chance to post at least every two days.&nbsp; We're stopped at the moment waiting for Criptika and it's passed the 48 hour mark.&nbsp; I would like the story to keep moving, so let's give Criptika a skip.&nbsp; Angzyn, if you would please go ahead and post for Anico.&nbsp; Assume Criptika is still present and listening.&nbsp; She just doesn't speak up at this point.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 01:09:46</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay I'll post just give me a few minutes to get one ready. I will have a post up no later then 9pm PST. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 01:15:04</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				As for the shelters I think it should go:<br><br>Van (a week or so) -&gt; Wigwam (Quick to build and they can have a fire inside it. A home until the Log Cabin is built) -&gt; Log Cabin (The red clay can be used as a mortar between the wood. The Sod house might not work if the area is rainy and the draft they have might prove to be a bad thing in the winter.) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 03:21:19</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Seraph, I went ahead and posted a proxy move for you.&nbsp; I made it very open-ended.&nbsp; I just had her go with the flow.&nbsp; If you manage to get internet access, please post and update.&nbsp; You don't have to wait for your next rotation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 15:29:20</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not sure if they can do a real wigwam or not.&nbsp; The key ingredient is birch bark.&nbsp; I know birch trees have a bark that peels particularly easily making the large panels to construct the wigwam.&nbsp; I'm not sure aspen bark would work as well.&nbsp; However, apparently aspen and birch are pretty similar:<br><br>http://www.ehow.com/about_6368798_difference-birch-trees-aspen-trees.html (http://www.ehow.com/about_6368798_difference-birch-trees-aspen-trees.html)<br><br>Maybe Mrsjaz our expert on all things plant could give us her opinion on the bark.&nbsp; If not, they could still do the grass house although from the description you posted the grass house isn't too good at keeping out the cold.<br><br>After looking over the process of making brick, I'll agree with you on log cabin.&nbsp; They can get a wigwam or grass house built in a couple of days.&nbsp; A log cabin in a couple of weeks.&nbsp; I think a brick house would take months.&nbsp; Bethany will probably want a kiln at some point for firing pottery.&nbsp; Once they have a kiln they can produce bricks as well, but it will take a lot of brick to make a home.&nbsp; That might be a year or more long project to be worked on in their spare time.<br><br>Turns out making adobe bricks is easier because they don't have to be fired.&nbsp; They just dry in the sun.&nbsp; The process looks quite doable:<br><br>http://desertphile.org/adobe/brick.htm (http://desertphile.org/adobe/brick.htm)<br><br>The summers will be dry enough, but they also need to be hunting, farming and putting away food for winter.&nbsp; They can't spend all their time making bricks and building.&nbsp; I think that ultimately the adobe house, with its 10" thick walls is superior to the log cabin in terms of comfort, fire safety and security, but it will also take longer.&nbsp; A one room shack 15'x15'x8' would take 1,248 bricks.&nbsp; Maybe they could make a one-room shack over the summer, but they could make a much larger log cabin in a fraction of the time.<br><br>Also unlike the wig wam, log cabin, grass house, etc, they probably need someone who knows the process.&nbsp; Hopefully Bethany with her knowledge of pottery will know about bricks both regular and adobe.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 18:24:00</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I still don't think adobe would work well for an over all home and I will be more the willing to brake it down more once I get home from work. I has to do with the wether and climate they will be faceing year around not just in the summer.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 19:10:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll look forward to your post.&nbsp; I went looking on the intranet and found this:<br><br>http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/adobe/localities.htm (http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/adobe/localities.htm)<br><br>Which I take with a grain of salt.&nbsp; The guy posting it is obviously an adobe enthusiast.&nbsp; Other sites I read said adobe works best in hot dry climes, but wears in cold wet climates.&nbsp; They're in a cold but dry climate as indicated by the way the trees hug the river.&nbsp; Most of the water is locked up in glaciers.&nbsp; About 100,000 BC when the climate was warmer and wetter the entire region was forest.<br><br>Also our characters don't have internet access so what they decide will be colored by what they believe to be true, not what we can determine with our access to internet.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 20:07:34</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<strong>"....so what they decide will be colored by what they believe to be true, not what we can determine with our access to internet....</strong><br><br>Exactly.<br><br><br>As for Aspen bark I can't see it myself, but I'll have a look in my big book , <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 20:49:19</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				*Beats internet with a stick* STAY ON. Okay now that's fixed. <br><br>Okay lets talk about the climate they are living in; <strong>Winters</strong>: Cold, Heavy to light snow and if it dose no the weather might be a dry cold. Right now we are saying its in the area of freezing temps. Most likely rainy in the beginning and end. <strong>Springs</strong>: Most likely cold, rainy. But starting to get warm. <strong>Summers</strong>: Mild maybe highs of high 80s low 90s, normally around 70s. Most likely dry with no rain. (This is were our first problem with any kind of clay/mud based housing will lie. They will dry but the weather will not be hot enough to "Bake" it making it loose and dirt like. We would need temps of in the high 90s or 100s to properly bake the house during the summer. That's why adobe dose so well in the south/west states. This is something Bethany might know unless they do build a kiln which would take months to do.) <strong>Fall:</strong> Starting to cool down, maybe rain in toward the. <br><br>Cold/Wet weather never dose really well with Adobe homes because they need a lot of repair after it rains or the snow starts to melt. They where made to stay drafty in order to keep cool during the summer months and with mild winters in the south/west states it would not be hard to keep them warm. <br><br>Right now we are looking at weather like in the Northern states. where most log or brick homes where built. Though very few people build brick homes because it took a lot of time and/or money back in the day.<br><br>Now back to the weather and river clay. The weather is cold and the streams or most likely glacier feed. Which means the water is going to be cold. And the ground they are going to be digging in almost just as cold. Not many of them will have glove and if they do may not want to ruin them with red clay. And they are going to need a lot of clay to build any kind of house,&nbsp; more if they are doing brick or adobe. Unless they build shovels they are going to be doing it by hand and well after so long your not going to be able to dig in that dirt with your hands freezing. The forest around the rivers however will give enough wood for building with out risk of freezing your hands off and will most likely keep you warm because of all the work you have to do cutting them down and such. Also brick and log homes don't need as much repair after a heavy rain or snow melt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 21:09:30</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, very good analysis Angzyn.&nbsp; I think you're right about the summers temps and it not being hot enough to bake adobe well.&nbsp; That pretty much takes adobe out of the running.&nbsp; I also didn't consider effort of digging in clay.&nbsp; The streams will be glacial melt so chilly even in summer.<br><br>Ok, you've convinced me.&nbsp; Definately log cabin.&nbsp; Easier to build and sturdy.&nbsp; So, they really need to figure out how to build an axe.<br><br>I think they'll still want to make some brick in summer, not for a whole house, but for a good fireplace/kiln.&nbsp; I know most modern houses have the fireplace at one end.&nbsp; I'd suggest making the fireplace the centerpiece of the house.&nbsp; A lot of the heat goes into the brick and when you make it an exterior wall half that heat radiates outside.&nbsp; However, even that will probably be a later addition.&nbsp; A log cabin could go up in a few weeks.&nbsp; The limiting factor will likely be how good their axes are.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 07:57:44</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Man. If only the fat guy had been an axe murder! :P<br><br>I do not think the guardrail will work very well as an axe. <br><br>Thought I would share this passage I found. It gives a little bit to think about :)<br><br>"About 1 billion years ago, shallow seas covered much of Texas. After the seas receded, the land dropped gradually over millions of years, leaving a thick sediment that was then compressed into a long mountain range called the Ouachita Fold Belt. The sea was eventually restricted to a zone in West Texas called the Permian Basin, a giant evaporation pan holding gypsum and salt deposits hundreds of feet deep. As the mountain chain across central Texas eroded and the land continued to subside, the Rocky Mountains were uplifted, leaving deep cuts in Big Bend country and creating the Llano Estacado. The Gulf of Mexico subsided rapidly, depositing sediment accumulations several thousand feet deep, while salt domes formed over vast petroleum and sulfur deposits. All this geologic activity also deposited quicksilver in the Terlingua section of the Big Bend, built up the Horseshoe Atoll (a buried reef in west-central Texas that is the largest limestone reservoir in the nation), created uranium deposits in southern Texas, and preserved the oil-bearing Jurassic rocks of the northeast."
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 15:57:49</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Good to have you back even if you are stealing Wi-fi.<br><br>An interesting little story of Texas.&nbsp; Texans love their minerals and I've been amazed at how much climates change even over thousands of years let alone millions.&nbsp; I had trouble finding good reference material for the land for 50,000 BC.&nbsp; I did find some on the ice age, at its worst which is what I used, but I toned it down just a little.&nbsp; They're several thousand years from the worst of the ice age, but it's still cold compared to today.<br><br>I'm not so convinced about using bits of guardrail as an axe either, but people used iron, copper and even stone for axes.&nbsp; Even if it isn't much compared to a modern axe, I would think that a sharpened bit of steel would still be a lot better than a stone axe.&nbsp; I think they might spend as much time sharpening their axes and pounding them back into shape, but they will probably cut wood.&nbsp; Although it will probably feel like trying to cut down a tree with a hoe.<br><br>Shovels should be easy peasy in comparison.&nbsp; Cut off a chunk of gaurdrail, attach to a bit of wood and you've got a scoop on a stick.&nbsp; Although I'm not entirely certain how they'll cut steel.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 16:54:14</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I was trying to find information on the types of rock in the area. If they had the right type of rock, and if there were deer in the area, a little theory crafting could be done to use the antlers in fashioning a variety of things.<br><br>Heather is a huge fan of reading historical fiction. As such, she would know theory as described in books for some things, like hollowing out an antler and packing it with moss and storing a coal from a fire in it to travel with, to start the next fire easier, but it would take trial and error to get it to work, or to decide if it was bullshit. Likewise, shaping rock into arrowheads or hatchets.<br><br>You can use a bit of antler and a rock to chip away at another rock to sharpen it. I have actually had the pleasure of attending a workshop at my grandmothers museum when I was younger, and got to learn how to make arrowheads, rope from Yucca plants (I think texas has these?) and other fun things. It really just depends on what types of rock are available. Some are easier than others to word with.<br><br>Expect Heather to geek out on some things.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:39:54</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I love to see Heather geeking out on these things.&nbsp; I also like the way that we're working together in OOC to decide what is possible for them. I think this is more interesting to jump back and forth and propose various different ideas OOCly like this.&nbsp; That lets us really explore their situation in a way that would be time-consuming to do in character.&nbsp; This lets us talk around the process and bat around ideas and when we get to it, we can let our characters work to what we plan out.<br><br>I like the antler fire-starter.&nbsp; Dead fat guy has a lighter on him, but it won't last.&nbsp; There are many horned animals present including deer and moose.&nbsp; Animal tusks and teeth might work the same way.&nbsp; There you have your sabertooth tiger and wooly mammoth.<br><br>There are indeed yucca plants in modern Texas, but you won't find many in 50,000 BC as the climate is much colder.&nbsp; I believe the plains indians also used animal (particularly buffalo) sinew for lashings.&nbsp; Also I was discussing rope with Mrsjaz.&nbsp; The marijuana in dead fat guys car is rough cut, which means it has seeds and could potentially be grown.&nbsp; Marijana was cultivated as hemp for rope for thousands of years and still is.<br><br>I'm looking forward to Heather geeking out.<br><br>Anyone have any ideas on how the could cut steel?&nbsp; All I can think of is drop big rocks on it until tears and then hammer and fold the pieces.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:48:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(http://elliquiy.com/elluiki/images/a/a0/DFWgeology.jpg)<br><br>Seraph also mentioned rocks.&nbsp; Here is a map of the strata underlying the DFW area.&nbsp; Their camp is roughly located where the arrow shows "flood plain and terrace deposits".&nbsp; In other words they've got a lot of dirt below them before they hit rock.&nbsp; There are some rocky outcropings not far west of them but it will mostly be sandstone.&nbsp; Which is crap for making tools out of.&nbsp; Sandstone is so brittle you can crumble it with your hands.<br><br>Washita Group found farther west is "alternating thick clay units and thin limestone units; clay, calcar, commonly sandy, dk bluish gray and black; limestone in lower part hard, bluish gray to shtie, in upper part soft, thickbedded"<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 18:00:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If we could find a mammoth graveyard, that would be really useful. Old bones for building. Tusks for containers and weapons. If we got lucky enough to find one who was about to die, there could be meat to smoke and a hide to cure. With the weather being cold, the mammoths would have an under layer of fur that is downy soft that would make the hide really warm. Perhaps old carcasses that still have some sinew.<br><br>Any particularly fibrous plant can be used for making rope. The pot once found, is something Heather will suggest they try and grow come summer to use for it's medicinal purposes, few though they are.<br><br>Mmm The prairie grass can be used as fire logs. I think. I'm pretty sure that in "Little House On The Prairie", they used the grass bound tightly and dried like sticks for firewood.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>02-02-2011, 15:18:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4207533#msg4207533">Quote from: Seraph on 01-02-2011, 18:00:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Any particularly fibrous plant can be used for making rope.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True, some are better than others, for the strongest ropes though, hemp is better.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4207533#msg4207533">Quote from: Seraph on 01-02-2011, 18:00:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The pot once found, is something Heather will suggest they try and grow come summer to use for it's medicinal purposes, few though they are.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>" In modern times, hemp has been used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, fuel, and medical purposes <br>&nbsp;Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp)<br><br><br>Er... Helen too will press for growing hemp for rope but also for it's many uses in fact too numerous to mention.<br><br>Still I love they way this is going so far, the research is making good reading, some mistakes in our character's thinking and future actions should make it feel even more real.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>02-02-2011, 15:56:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I will post as soon as I go on lunch ^.^<br><br>As for plants and rocks I don't really have much to say.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 15:26:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Looks like Angzyn got held up.&nbsp; I went ahead and posted.&nbsp; We're split into two groups at the moment anyway:&nbsp; Heather/Adam/Helen and Anico/Bethany.<br><br>Trying to resolve timing on Heather racing ahead and Bethany walking.&nbsp; Adam chose to walk with Bethany.&nbsp; I imagine that gives Heather enough time to pop the trunk of Adam's car, locate her bag, dig out a change of clothes and change.&nbsp; Helen and Adam arrive just as Heather is finishing dressing.&nbsp; Maybe Adam gets a little flash of Heather half-dressed as she changes?&nbsp; &nbsp;;)<br><br>There are no obvoius towels in Adam's cab for Heather to dry with.&nbsp; There are a few napkins, but they're not very effective.&nbsp; Heather isn't that wet anyway.&nbsp; She just got splashed some.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 15:40:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry got a little busy last night &gt;.&gt;<br><br>Hubby wanted some loven after our little one went down.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 18:05:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, Heather's big problem is the water she stepped in to get to dry land. Thanks to Adam's grip on her, she maybe got the seat of her pants wet from the fall. Poor thing is barefoot though and the water, though only slightly above ankle deep where she stepped, was absorbed up into her pants, so she's wet up to the knee.<br><br>Since she ran ahead, Ill go on and post her at the car, then wait for people to catch up to her. Y'all can choose to come upon her at any point of my post. Even if someone walks up on her changing, she will not stop and get all jumpy. She'll keep on changing. She understands the danger of wet clothes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 22:27:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think I'll have to edit.<br><br>Helen was already walking to her car and she actually arrived and was stood looking into space next to her car. ( not the van ) perhaps I got confused. I thought we were all moving except Anico, anyway I'll edit it to say she was standing close to the van and was not moving so that when Adam talks to her she still has not moved.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 22:45:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anico stayed at the van giving orders.<br><br>Bethany went to collect food from the van.<br><br>Adam and Heather headed for the Taxi. <br><br>Heather ran ahead to the taxi and Adam hung back to be sociable with Helen even though he was freezing because he didn't want to leave her behind.<br><br>Heather doesn't care about anything except being warm right now, so she left them all behind.<br><br>Does this help straighten things out?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 22:49:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That helps.&nbsp; The problem with my post is that Helen posted herself already arriving at her car (right beside the taxi)&nbsp; Somehow Heather ran, Helen walked and Adam walked with her..<br><br>Grr, Mrsjaz is right.&nbsp; My post still conflicts with Helen already arriving and staring about.&nbsp; Hmm, not so good.<br><br>How should we patch it up?&nbsp; The distances aren't too far.&nbsp; How about Helen was walking, maybe half-way there at the end of your last post when Adam spoke to her?&nbsp; Then they can both keep walking and arrive on your next post while Heather is just finishing getting dressed - giving them both a glimpse of half-naked Heather?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 00:33:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes I'll edit it to that, it will work... sorry I think it's me next time I'll check with you if I want her to behave in a certain way ok? At least that way I'm not getting ahead of myself&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 01:08:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's ok.&nbsp; I made a similar oops before when I had Adam running all over the place and discovering the minivan.&nbsp; We'll sometimes have timing issues and we'll work them out as we go.&nbsp; &nbsp;I just read your revised post.&nbsp; The timing reads better now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Angzyn</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 01:49:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*crosses fingers* I hope to get a post up tonight. I should be getting off work early tomorrow as well. <br><br>I was thinking about her finding a car jack while Bethany gathers food. Maybe try and remove the dead guy??
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 01:53:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Car jack makes sense or gathering up some of the loose food.&nbsp; I think the food has been crushed enough already that they're probably want to clean it out first instead of dropping 400 lbs of dead guy on the food scattered below him.&nbsp; &nbsp;If Anico goes for the car jack in the van she'll also find the drug stash.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>05-02-2011, 16:08:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm sorry I haven't posted in this thread.&nbsp; :-\ For some reason I was unaware of it until recently. I know it was mentioned but I seemed to have forgotten it. <br>I feel like I'm completely missing out on a lot of planning for this roleplay, which is mostly my fault. You all are far more experienced roleplayers than I am, so I'm sorry if I'm not up to par.<br>I noticed, Thymoit, that you mentioned a week or so ago that I wasn't speaking up. I just wasn't aware of this thread, so I definitely wasn't doing it on purpose. I'll try to be more aware, and hopefully I'm not irritating anyone, since that isn't my intention. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>05-02-2011, 17:26:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm really sorry you were missing this thread.&nbsp; Our game is moving slow, not a complaint.&nbsp; That is just what happens when you have five people in a story.&nbsp; I know I enjoy working out how they'll survive in this OOC thread and chatting about the possibilities.&nbsp; &nbsp;I encourage you to contribute when you have something to say, but don't feel like it is an obligation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>05-02-2011, 23:56:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4223288#msg4223288">Quote from: Criptika on 05-02-2011, 16:08:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> You all are far more experienced roleplayers than I am, so I'm sorry if I'm not up to par.<br>I</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Cripika please don't think that,&nbsp; :-) I'm really new to this too, I've got no rp experience really and have made&nbsp; loads of mistakes from spelling, to posts that are too long, to gosh knows what else. I'm just trying to enjoy myself and have fun with it.... I was planning on Helen being weak and turning strong, then I planned on her to stay weak never getting strong... that has caused me problems&nbsp; ;D&nbsp; because I've never done rp before I 'm just hoping and trying not to piss anyone off as well.&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 00:37:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have been role playing for around 13 years now, and I can tell you one thing.. You may start a character with a plan in mind for them, but the more you play them, the more they develop. The more they develop and change, they start to take on a life of their own. You will find yourself thinking "What would this character do?" And sometimes what the character would do, and what you want her to do, are two very different things.<br><br>My unasked for advice to any new RPr is to think about it before you hit post. Write from your characters perspective of how you think they would react, and not how you think they should react. Sometimes you might need to push them around a bit and force them to do things that go against their character, for the sake of the story, but the less you do this, the more real your character becomes.<br><br>When it comes to spelling - my spelling is atrocious! I use the firefox web browser because it underlines my spelling errors in red so they are easier to catch. Then it's a matter of proof reading enough so I catch silly things like lack of apostrophes or improper use of words.<br><br>13 years and my spelling and typing has only marginally improved lol.<br><br>One thing I dislike about forum RP is the inability to properly format paragraphs. You cannot indent, so adding that extra line between paragraphs really really really helps to make reading paragraphs easier. You don't have to sort through a wall of text.<br><br>Ok, Theres my 5 cents. I'll hush now!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 00:47:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				@Thymoit: Yeah, I just realized I was totally out of the loop and was like, oh no! I felt bad. I will most definitely try to contribute this this thread so I make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else. I don't feel obligated, I just want to make sure I stay up to date. n-n<br><br>@MrsJaz: I know how you feel! I try not to allow my inexperience to discourage me, but it happens. Also, my spelling has suffered since I graduated high school and am now attending an art college, where I don't have to write and be graded on correct spelling/grammar nearly as much as it was in high school. And character development is undoubtedly a process. Characters are essentially extensions of our selves as well as, on a subconscious level, examples of what we aspire to be. At least, that's how I fashion my characters. I'm sure that through more experience I'll be able to create characters with greater variety and individual personality. All in good time. :]<br><br>@Seraph: I agree and understand everything you said! Characters do take a mind of their own, so to speak, and become different things situation depending or even because our own subconscious is putting an impression into them. <br>Oh, and yes, putting spaces between paragraphs is a life saver. I need to make sure I do that more often to my post is more readable and less wall-o'-text-y. ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 10:42:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh sorry all.... It's just that I'm not used to putting paragraphs and then leaving another space in writing, please let me know if I am making other annoying mistakes. I'll edit them to include a line space, by the way, it's a point I've noticed but not yet corrected in my writing here on E,&nbsp; it seems strange to my reading eyes that's why, sort of disjointed, but I've got no problem changing&nbsp; it. :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 14:38:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I did it at first when I started here, and kept getting pissed when it wouldn't register my indents.&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 17:23:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Serpah, I notice that Heather has been waiting more than 48 hours.&nbsp; I'm not sure what is keeping Angzyn, but please go ahead and post a move for Heather.&nbsp; Let's keep Heather/Helen/Adam moving so we can get the group back together.<br><br>Criptika, hopefully Angzyn will post to you soon.&nbsp; We'll try to get the other three back with Beth so she has someone to talk with.&nbsp; In the meantime just assume Anico is getting the jack out of the wheel well (a challenge given the van is upside down) and also finding the drug stash.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 18:02:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I went ahead and posted.&nbsp; Seraph, why don't you and Mrsjaz post when you're able?&nbsp; That will bring both vehicles over to the woods by the van, then we can synch up with all five together again.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 18:53:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I posted again - selfish me.&nbsp; &nbsp;:-[&nbsp; I realized Mrsjaz had nothing to do but move her car.&nbsp; So I'd be better off posting Adam's taxi stopping.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>08-02-2011, 16:29:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4207486#msg4207486">Quote from: thymoit on 01-02-2011, 17:39:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Anyone have any ideas on how the could cut steel?&nbsp; All I can think of is drop big rocks on it until tears and then hammer and fold the pieces.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don’t know how much of this we will know IC but I though it might help as I could find nothing on shaping or cutting steel with stone/rocks.<br><br>“ the most scrap metal is steel which is a better material for making tools than iron…once you have your supply of metal you need a way to heat it up to soften it so it can be reshaped…”<br><br>Scrounging Metal and Survival Blacksmith Ing &nbsp;(http://[url=http://fliiby.com/file/844364/y27n8f2jg9.html)<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>08-02-2011, 19:25:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Finally I have proper internet again! Good lord that took forever!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 00:10:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seraph, I thought you were already reconnected.&nbsp; You just now have real internet?&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; That took a while.&nbsp; Congrats.<br><br>Mrsjaz, that link is simply brilliant!&nbsp; I had no idea how to handle them reforging tools out of what bits of metal they brought with them into the past but that article really lays it all out.&nbsp; Not that they'll know it IC, but I think they can stumble around and eventually make some kind of primitive forge.&nbsp; Apparently charcoal is much better than wood.&nbsp; I'm not sure any of them will know how to make it.&nbsp; Adam probably no.&nbsp; Maybe Bethany?&nbsp; She's supposed to be crafty person.&nbsp; This still won't get them through making an ax the first day, but I think we can make use of this later on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 00:41:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, till now I have been crowded against a window hogging an unprotected wifi signal. It was a weak crappy signal and I was stuck on my laptop.. It... It really sucked. I'm happy to be back at a comfy desk. I'm hoping to be able to focus on my stories a lot better at a comfy desk.<br><br>It's been 5 days since spotting a post from Angzyn.. Has anyone heard anything from her?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 04:11:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I haven't heard a thing from Angzyn.<br><br>Also, about the tool making bit. I could try my hand at it in the future but I imagine it'll be difficult. If anything I can picture finding a jagged rock and securing it to a stick for a primitive ax...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 16:03:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				About Angzyn&nbsp; :-\<br><br>Sigh, I really don't know what to do about her vanishing.&nbsp; &nbsp;She was very much into the game and contributed a great deal both to our IC thread and our OOC thread.&nbsp; I never considered a soldier as one of those who got swept up in the time rift, but Anico has added a great deal to the story and Angzyn's real world knowledge has made the story more real.<br><br>Unfortunately her vanishing is also bringing the game to a halt.&nbsp; Just to recap:<br><br>She last posted IC on Jan 30th - more than a week ago<br>She last posted OOC on Feb 3rd - almost a week ago<br>She was apparently online on Feb 6th - but didn't post, PM or set an A/A<br>I sent her a PM on Feb 7th to which she hasn't responded<br><br>So at this point, I'm going to attempt to recruit a replacement player who would assume the role of Anico.&nbsp; If Angzyn returns, I'll gladly let her play Anico, but I think that I owe it to everyone else to start recruiting.&nbsp; I would like to hear your opinions on the situation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 16:35:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm all for anything that keeps the pace going. Slow pacing is one thing that can ruin a game for me.<br><br>I would think that if she was logging on to E, and wanted to play here, she would have left a message. However, the previous times I had checked to see when last she was online, she had always been online that day. So it isn't like she was gone from the 3rd to the 6th.&nbsp; <br><br>Sometimes people lose interest and sometimes they just forget. Maybe you could NPC her for a bit?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 16:45:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I could NPC her and I might do so if recruiting goes slow and Angzyn doesn't return.&nbsp; However, I'd rather not decide how Anico would react to finding a few kilos of marijuana if someone else will be playing the character.&nbsp; Let me give it at least a day and see how things go.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 16:47:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I agree with Seraph. Anything to keep the role play going. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 19:38:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's hope everything is ok with her... I think NPC her for a bit too, I really hope she comes back. maybe as you said, we might all struggle to get the jack out, then Anico could have gone off to the bush for a pee .... anyway, I don't mind waiting though I understand the need to keep things going. <br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 20:52:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just posted a proxy post for Angzyn.&nbsp; Lady Lunaris has agreed to take on the role of Anico Ralohs.&nbsp; She was very much interested in the game, but sent a PM after we had already started.&nbsp; Lady Lunaris drafted the last post of Anico Ralohs which I just posted.<br><br>If Angzyn returns and wants to resume the role, Lady Lunaris has even generously offered to step down.&nbsp; If that happens I think it is only fair that we come up with some way to let Lady Lunaris introduce a sixth character of her own to the game, someone who was also caught in the time rift, but up until now has been overlooked.&nbsp; There are a few possibilities.&nbsp; For example, someone on a motorcyle might have also gone off the bridge, but sailed through the trees without hitting anything and had a rough landing somewhere and be unconscious or injured.<br><br>Anyway, I'd like give Lady Lunaris a big welcome and thank her for being willing to step into Anico's shoes.<br><br>Angzyn, if you return, please let us know everything is ok at least.&nbsp; Your character is still here and we'll make room for Lady Lunaris.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 20:55:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				^_^ Thank's for the intro Thy. I look forward to gaming with you all, and Angzyn if/when you get on and want your character back as Thy has said I'll be happy to give her back. <br><br>As for a sixth character you really don't have to do that&nbsp; :-[ I'm just glad for a chance to come in and help out ^_^ Like I said before I look forward to the time we get together in rp. &lt;3 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 21:07:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think you deserve a spot if Angzyn returns.&nbsp; We've got several options:<br><br>1) Dead fat guy had a passager who was able to get down and was trying to find help. Can return to find the group. Most likely hurt.<br>2) homeless woman that called the overpass home.<br>3) Someone walking along the river.<br>4) motorcycle rider got pulled along.<br><br>I might even expand the time rift zone a little to the south.&nbsp; I think I can still do that at this point without making things too disjointed.&nbsp; Anyway, there are options.<br><br>And I posted again as Adam, mostly to get everyone out of the vehicles and working together again.&nbsp; &nbsp;Our story had stalled.&nbsp; So let's get moving again.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 21:12:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome to the game Lady Lunarius.&nbsp; :-)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 22:32:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Shall I put up a small post or wait for Seraph. It will say she helped with the luggage and ate an apple as she was feeling sick with hunger
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>10-02-2011, 00:23:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds like everything is back on track. Welcome, Luna :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>10-02-2011, 00:36:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Im going to respectfully ask that others go on posting before me. Heather will get out of the car last, not wanting to leave the heat. I'd rather see a little more happen before I take her out of the car.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>10-02-2011, 16:27:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey all, we need to talk about fast forwarding/time skips/story advances.&nbsp; I hope this post doesn't sound too bossy.&nbsp; I know a couple of our players are fairly new roleplayers and I just want to get us all on the same page.&nbsp; I'm acting a little bit as the gamemaster/storyteller, but that doesn't mean my word is law.&nbsp; Let's talk this out.<br><br>We're all familiar with the concept.&nbsp; It's employed in almost every book, movie and TV show.&nbsp; The story doesn't follow the characters minute-by-minute, second-by-second.&nbsp; The story skips across time like skipping a stone across a pond, hitting the high points.&nbsp; Some storytellers do it better than others.&nbsp; J.K. Rowling is really good at it.&nbsp; The Harry Potter stories really make you feel the flow of a school year.&nbsp; It's harder to do in online games for various reasons.&nbsp; I'll freely admit it is one of my weak points.&nbsp; I can easily fall into the pattern of writing 'what happens next'.&nbsp; Even when what happens next is boring and the story should skip to the next scene.<br><br>We're going to follow the characters pretty close for the first few weeks of Adam and Eves.&nbsp; There are too many major events happening both in terms of survival and character interaction.&nbsp; However, even at the early parts of the story, there are times we will want to fast forward particularly sleeping at night and work scenes.&nbsp; One of those is almost upon us, namely flipping the van.&nbsp; That's a perfect example of a scene to be fast-forwarded.&nbsp; I'm not entirely sure how they'll flip the van, but they have five healthy adults, three jacks, some snapped off trees for long levers and the seats are removable and can be used as fulcrums for the trees as well as places to prop the jacks.&nbsp; I'm sure it can be done, but the specifics of how it happens depends on a lot of factors, like where they put the levers and jacks and where tree trunks hold things in place.&nbsp; I'd like to just say they get the job done.&nbsp; It takes most of their daylight to flip it, giving them just enough time to get it fitted out to use as sleeping space for night.<br><br>Whenever there is a fast-forward, we need to agree a common set of expectations about what happens in the time skip.&nbsp; Then we all get one post describing our character's point of view during the events.&nbsp; Let's lay out this one where they flip the van.<br><br><strong>Flipping the Van - fast forward</strong><br><br>Plot points to be addressed In Chracter before the fast forward.<br><br><ul class="bbc_list"><li>Characters need to react to the discovery of the stash of marijuana</li><li>Someone (probably Helen) should realize that seeds need to be saved.&nbsp; There is some smashed fruit (particularly a cantalope) in the van.&nbsp; Since growing crops will be important to long term survival, we should probably establish what happens to the seeds.&nbsp; I think Helen is right at that realization anyway.&nbsp; When she finishes her apple and looks at the core, it will probably click for her.</li><li>Which car gets used as a 'safe' to lock up the food.&nbsp; Other car will be used as a hearse to drive away the corpse.&nbsp; I'll have Adam suggest using Helen's car as the safe in my next post</li></ul><br>What the fast forward will cover<br><ul class="bbc_list"><li>Getting fat dead guy out of the van.&nbsp; Once the seatbelt is unbuckled he'll fall out.&nbsp; With all five of them, they can just team lift the corpse and carry him over to the 'hearse'.</li><li>The work of flipping the van - which will use a combination of car jacks and tree levers but actual details left vague</li></ul><br>The fast forward stops with the van flipped.&nbsp; Everyone can congratulate each other then.&nbsp; searching/robbing the corpse, disposing of the body, a funeral (if any), discussion of sleeping arrangements and fitting the van for sleeping will happen afterwards.<br><br>During the fastforward you can assume conversation.&nbsp; It doesn't happen in silence, but whatever dialog happens shouldn't be memorable dialog.&nbsp; Likewise your chracter's actions shouldn't mandate a response.<br><br>Example - Adam mentally realizing he's the only man, but not saying anything - OK<br>Example - Adam having same realization and saying "Oh shit!" loudly - Not OK, because other characters would want to react.<br><br>If someone wants to take a minor injury while flipping the van, go for it.&nbsp; I plan to have Adam bloody his knuckles a bit scraping his hand, but nothing worse.<br><br>Again, I hope this doesn't sound bossy, just trying to keep everyone on the same page.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:17:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll wait till <del>Seraph</del>Criptika posts a response to Anico just so I have more to respond to &lt;3 If that's all right with you all. <br><br><br><br>EDIT: Sorry I mixed Seraph's char with Criptika's XD I'm still getting used to things sorry ya'll. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:44:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Please forgive this rudeness, but why did you leave this untill now? Seraph made her feelings known. She stayed in the car waiting for someting more to happen? You did not respond to her OCC. It makes logical sense to fast foward the events. Did you really want me to make IC decisions? You waited until I posted, boring as it was? You spoke about it before, so we could have skipped loads of bits, why didn't you and the more "experienced" players talk about time skipping OCC before we moved on?, I would have had no problem with that, and then inforce it? I feel I'm out of this game, I'm really cross right now sorry.&nbsp; &gt;:(<br><br>Edit; I was really enjoying this game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 01:04:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait what..I'm confused now. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 01:17:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4245499#msg4245499">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 11-02-2011, 00:17:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll wait till Seraph posts a response....<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4241125#msg4241125">Quote from: mrsjaz on 09-02-2011, 22:32:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote">Shall I put up a small post or wait for Seraph....<br><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4241629#msg4241629">Quote from: Seraph on 10-02-2011, 00:36:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_alternate_quote">Im going to respectfully ask that others go on posting before me. Heather will get out of the car last, not wanting to leave the heat. I'd rather see a little more happen before I take her out of the car.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4245690#msg4245690">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 11-02-2011, 01:04:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Wait what..I'm confused now. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 01:20:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ugh sorry meant Criptika X_X I wanted Bethany to have a chance to respond....sorry mixed them up for some reason...sorry...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 01:40:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mrsjaz, I see Lady Lunaris got names confused and I can tell that was upsetting you, but I'm not sure if it was just that or my big honking post.&nbsp; I can be wordy and I'm sorry if I came off elitist.&nbsp; I have trouble handling skipping time myself.&nbsp; So I'm no saint here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 05:00:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So I just skipped forward along with Seraph to dragging the dead guy out. I was going to address the weed and the van flipping but it seems like we're not doing that? I'm slightly lost, honestly.<br><br>And hello Luna, nice to meet you. :]
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 13:23:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4245831#msg4245831">Quote from: thymoit on 11-02-2011, 01:40:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Mrsjaz, I see Lady Lunaris got names confused and I can tell that was upsetting you, but I'm not sure if it was just that or my big honking post.&nbsp; I can be wordy and I'm sorry if I came off elitist.&nbsp; I have trouble handling skipping time myself.&nbsp; So I'm no saint here.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No... I was not talking about Lady Lunarius's mixup, I was abit upset over this:<br><br><strong>" I know a couple of our players are fairly new roleplayers and I just want to get us all on the same page."</strong><br><br>It implies you and the other more experienced players were on a different page to the newbies. I'm just saying you should have spoken about time skipping sooner, being more experienced.<br><br><strong>" I'll freely admit it is one of my weak points. I can easily fall into the pattern of writing 'what happens next'.&nbsp; Even when what happens next is boring and the story should skip to the next scene."</strong><br><br>I think everyone of us in this RP has done just that, so if it's a learning thing then we are all just as guilty not just me as a noob, anyway, I'm trying not to take it too personally as I really do understand that was not your intention.&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; If I've spoken too harshly I'm truly sorry....again, please let me know if I'm making mistakes, I'm really open and not afraid to take constructive criticism.<br>&nbsp;<br><br>&nbsp;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 14:52:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Even as a veteran role player.. Time skips are not something you just do willy nilly. When you alter the flow of the story you generally do so after conferring with your partner to make sure that it is OK with them.<br><br>Thymoit understood that a couple players were new and may not know how to handle the time skips, so he explained what they were and how to use them, as well as going over the plot points that he wanted us to fast forward through.<br><br>What he did was not an attack on anyone at all. It was a common courtesy issued to the group as a whole so that toes did not get stepped on if people felt that there was something that they HAD to address&nbsp; during a skip.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 16:59:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you for your explanation Seraph, equally my intenetion was not to offend or to accuse anybody of attacking anyone. That is just how I felt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 17:21:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You know, I kinda agree with Mrsjaz. Personally, I feel like all the decision making is happening without my agreeing to it because it usually happens when I'm not online and haven't been able to get online to say if I like the idea or not. But it's fine. It doesn't bother me THAT much but I see where Mrsjaz is coming from. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 18:33:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mrsjaz, I apologize if I was long-winded and that it felt like I was talking down to you.&nbsp; That wasn't my intent, but a can be a bad habit of mine.&nbsp; My wife often tells me to stop beating dead horses.&nbsp; It's also easy for tone to get misunderstood in written communication.&nbsp; It's hard to skip time in roleplaying and I was just trying to address that need.&nbsp; I know I'm weak at it myself.&nbsp; It's so easy to just respond to what is happening at the moment, even when the drama of that moment has faded and the scene really should skip forward.<br><br>Criptika, from what I can gather you have the least time online of any of us.&nbsp; That's not intended as criticism.&nbsp; Just that I can understand how you feel like the game is passing you by at times.&nbsp; If there is something you want to see happen or disagree with us, please let us know.&nbsp; I'll be glad to make room.&nbsp; I'm trying to act as gamemaster when I feel it is needed, but I really like playing in this game as well.&nbsp; I think all our players have something to contribute.&nbsp; I do want to keep the story moving, but not to the point that you (or anyone else) gets trampled.<br><br>Seraph already did a partial fast-forward to moving the corpse.&nbsp; So instead of going all the way through flipping the van I just moved that far to keep things together.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 19:45:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I am naturally pretty flexible and I can catch up to where we are easily, it's just sometimes I feel a little disconnected. It's ok though. I'll just try harder to check the threads daily and post. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 20:30:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks for understandind thymot. Sorry if it came across too critical of your Gming as I didn't want that. I just thought you should have made the skipping time ideas sooner that's all really.&nbsp; :-) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>15-02-2011, 05:16:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey guys, sorry to not have posted I've told Thy but I'll let you guys know. On sundays and mondays I work 7 to 7 so my posts are really limited. I'll get to posting tomorrow &lt;3
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 12:55:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry all I too will be posting less over the next 4/5 days I'm leaving the Uk for hotter climes and a much slower connection :-(.... so just letting you know in case I'm missing, so you can keep the pace the same and move Helen as you want to. Thanks.<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 02:55:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm sorry I haven't posted. My grandfather just had a massive stroke and I'm under a lot of stress right now. I'll try and put something together just to keep it flowing. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 03:02:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you Criptika and Mrsjaz for notice about your absences.&nbsp; We can make allowances.<br><br>Mrsjaz, may you find warmth, sun and a fast connection.<br><br>Criptika, I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.&nbsp; It's completely understandable that you're stressed.&nbsp; Please take care of your family first.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 03:04:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks for your understanding, Thymoit. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 03:47:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll be working all day tomorrow and Monday, just for the record guys.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 22:01:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4269344#msg4269344">Quote from: Criptika on 17-02-2011, 02:55:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm sorry I haven't posted. My grandfather just had a massive stroke and I'm under a lot of stress right now. I'll try and put something together just to keep it flowing. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>I am sorry to hear that too, I hope your ok Criptika, RL and family come first.<br><br>I'm back but very tired so please forgive me if I slow over next few days&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 14:37:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4288181#msg4288181">Quote from: mrsjaz on 21-02-2011, 22:01:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>I am sorry to hear that too, I hope your ok Criptika, RL and family come first.<br><br>I'm back but very tired so please forgive me if I slow over next few days <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm alright, thank you. :] He's getting better, slowly yet surely.<br><br>I think everyone is posting pretty slow. I think we all have things going on right now, so no worries. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 16:17:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know it is mrsjaz's turn to post,but she said she would be slow the next few days.&nbsp; Besides Adam and Bethany are off by themselves.&nbsp; I made a post so Criptika could respond and they could rejoin the others.<br><br>Criptika, go ahead and post if you like.&nbsp; Unless Bethany says something that starts a longer conversation, I'll probably have Adam and Bethany arrive with my next post and rejoin the others.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 16:25:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				oh I just got this I posted Anico lighting the fire, just to get it going for us..if i need to i can take it down
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 16:46:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think you're good.&nbsp; Seraph, if you want to post as well just to keep moving I don't think that will hurt anything.<br><br>Mrsjaz, not trying to neglect you.&nbsp; You said you would be slow for a bit longer.&nbsp; I'm not going to post for Helen although you said I could.&nbsp; I will just note here in OOC that Helen didn't wander off.&nbsp; She is present still doing as you posted, taking charge of camp - not the fire which Anico is doing, but securing the windows in the van, cleaning out any stray glass, etc.&nbsp; Maybe rearranging the seats they removed to surround the fire as temporary furniture and selecting out what foods won't last long and should be eaten first.&nbsp; Whatever she is doing, it is helpful and productive.&nbsp; Mrsjaz, when you have time, you can catch Helen up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 00:35:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thymoit, I thought perhaps Beth can lead into a conversation with Adam, to kind of become more friendly. My line of thinking is the more they know about each other, the better. Friendship through hardship and all.<br><br>I don't know about anyone else, but I'm curious about how four women and one man is going to get along... should be loads of fun. Haha!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 03:19:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Criptika, since Bethany and Adam are on their own, it's fair to let us have a short conversation, but I don't want to be unfair and let it drag on too long.&nbsp; Go ahead and post whenever you can and I will too.&nbsp; That will give Adam and Bethany time to talk, but hopefully not hold the other three characters up.<br><br>Seraph, Lady Lunaris, Mrsjaz - I'd encourage you to talk among yourselves too.&nbsp; For the moment consider Adam&amp;Bethany in their own separate space.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>26-02-2011, 10:32:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hi all,<br><br>I'm so sorry but I've been both ill and tired, much worse than I thouht I'd be, I'm feeling better, though still a bit tired - all the travel mostly - anyway I 'm eager to get back to posting, missing reading what we all are up to so will catch up today.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp;:-)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;'
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>27-02-2011, 01:05:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry I haven't been around. My grandfather passed away this past Thursday the 24th. It's been a really rough few days. <br><br>I'll try to make a decent post. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>27-02-2011, 01:10:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Egh, that was a terrible post. Hopefully it will keep things moving, though. Sorry Thymoit. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>27-02-2011, 02:20:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Your grandfather passed away.&nbsp; Thank you for posting at all.&nbsp; You have my sympathy.&nbsp; No one will fault you for needing some time or having a bad post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>27-02-2011, 02:25:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				not at all criptika &lt;3 I wish you all the strength in the world in this time<br><br><br><del>I'll be posting here soon ^^</del>I'm waiting on an answer to a question I'll post asap<br><br>Edit: Just wanted to let you know that Sunday and Monday's I work 7 am to 7pm so my posts wont come until the early morning before I leave or the late evening when I return. ^_^ 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>27-02-2011, 22:46:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;:-( sorry to hear that Criptika, very sorry.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 08:08:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hi Seraph,<br><br>Helen wants to go looking for Heather? After all it's cold and she could probably do with a hug&nbsp; ;)<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 14:43:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is perfectly fine. Though in game time, it doesn't seem like much time has passed. I mostly took her away to give myself a little breathing space in my stories. I figured after a bit of time had seemed to pass in game, I would have her wander back in, ever the pillar. I won't object to anyone wanting to come after her though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 16:10:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok I'll help with the food prep and maybe leave her a bit longer or maybe hear her crying softly? and not disturb her.<br><br>Can't wait to see if the jealousy eats us alive&nbsp; ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>02-03-2011, 03:40:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks for understanding everyone, and thanks for your condolences. I appreciate it. :]
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Seraph</strong> on <strong>02-03-2011, 12:24:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thymoit requested that I post this here:<br><br>When I first accepted his invitation to join this group game, I expressed my doubts about being a reliable player, given that I had already had one failed attempt at enjoying a group game. Working on the theory that a smaller group would be better, I decided to give it a shot. It has been over a month now, and I am just not really getting into this story. I find all the players in it to be lovely people, and the story a unique idea, however it has failed to captivate me.<br><br>Thymoit has the reins for Heather. He can find a replacement player, NPC her, kill her off, whatever he desires. I apologize for not being able to commit to this game. At least I can take away from this a lesson well learned. Group games, regardless of size, are just not for me. At least I can say it with certainty now.<br><br>Thank you guys, and take care.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>02-03-2011, 13:52:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was sad when I read this,&nbsp; but I understand your more a 1-1 player, I think I'm leaning more that way myself too, although I think you like a faster pace than me, good luck. :-)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>02-03-2011, 14:00:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am sad to see Seraph go.&nbsp; &nbsp;I understand her decision and I respect her telling us.<br><br>As for the game, I'll try to recruit a replacement player.&nbsp; I don't have any on hand like I did with Lady Lunaris, so Heather may spend a little alone time in the woods and skip a few moves.&nbsp; I'll run her for now when necessary.<br><br>For now, we're divided into 2-2-1 (Anico &amp; Helen, Bethany &amp; Adam, Heather).&nbsp; We've reacted to events, lets allow our characters to talk to each other a bit. <br><br>Mrsjaz, Lady Lunaris - Please have Anico and Helen continue their conversation.&nbsp; Post as often as your posting speed allows.<br>Criptika - We'll do the same with Bethany &amp; Adam.<br><br>We'll let this carry on a few posts and a few days, let them talk things out.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>05-03-2011, 02:23:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry to see Seraph go. I understand her frustration/lack of interest, but I'm trying to remain in this game. I have faith that it will&nbsp; get progressively better. It's just unfortunate it's taking so long, but I'm partly to blame. I didn't realize we'd be going for a month. Wow. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>05-03-2011, 02:28:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=96315.msg4322164#msg4322164">Quote from: Seraph on 02-03-2011, 12:24:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thymoit requested that I post this here:<br><br>When I first accepted his invitation to join this group game, I expressed my doubts about being a reliable player, given that I had already had one failed attempt at enjoying a group game. Working on the theory that a smaller group would be better, I decided to give it a shot. It has been over a month now, and I am just not really getting into this story. I find all the players in it to be lovely people, and the story a unique idea, however it has failed to captivate me.<br><br>Thymoit has the reins for Heather. He can find a replacement player, NPC her, kill her off, whatever he desires. I apologize for not being able to commit to this game. At least I can take away from this a lesson well learned. Group games, regardless of size, are just not for me. At least I can say it with certainty now.<br><br>Thank you guys, and take care.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm sorry to hear this lovely, It was fun rping with you ~Blows kiss~ I hope you have better luck with other rps. <br><br><br>Sorry my postings been slow, I've been job/apartment searching trying to get my life in order. but I'm still posting. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>08-03-2011, 06:37:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey guys, so sorry it took me so long to post. I got food poisoning this past weekend and it really crippled me. I'm ok now, so I've managed a half decent post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>11-03-2011, 12:13:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I for one don't mind the slow post rates, give me time to think and plan, maybe that's just my nature I like some things done slowly and carefully.&nbsp; ;)<br><br>However shall I post or wait? I'm not hurrying anyone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>12-03-2011, 17:02:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for my delay in responding both here in the OOC thread and IC.&nbsp; I've been pretty busy at work.&nbsp; I just posted to have Adam join.&nbsp; So now Adam, Bethany, Helen and Anico are all together at the fire.&nbsp; Yes, Mrsjaz you may go ahead and respond.&nbsp; Let's go back to the 48 hour rule.&nbsp; The game has been slowing down, but I'd like everyone to be able to post at least every other day.&nbsp; So if 48 hours has past since your last post you can go ahead and respond, even if someone hasn't taken their turn yet.<br><br>About Heather Graff - for now she remains in the woods having some alone time.&nbsp; I bumped up the recruiting thread, but I haven't got much in the way of nibbles.&nbsp; Lacking a replacement player, I'll play Heather as a NPC.&nbsp; For the time being, let's leave her in the woods.&nbsp; Maybe someone will nibble.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Angzyn and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>12-03-2011, 17:34:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll work on my response here in a moment sorry its taken a while. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>20-03-2011, 23:48:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My turn to apologize.&nbsp; I have no good excuse.&nbsp; The pace has been slowing, but I should have kept up with my turn.<br><br>Good news - I have a nibble for a replacement player for Seraph.&nbsp; I'll let you know how that goes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>21-03-2011, 03:44:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry its been a bit sicne i have posted I'll work on it tonight X_X 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Criptika</strong> on <strong>26-03-2011, 20:46:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Unfortunately everyone, I need to make a decision. I think I'm going to have to withdraw from the roleplay. I'm afraid I'm just not as interested as I used to be and I'm simply not online often enough to be fair to you all and post accordingly. I wish you all enjoyment if the roleplay continues and hopefully you could find someone to replace me. It was a pleasure writing with you all and if any of you ever wish to set up a game with me in the future, perhaps we could work something out. Good luck and take care. :]
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>mrsjaz</strong> on <strong>26-03-2011, 22:07:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Gosh Thymoit, a very well thought-out rp, really exciting as a concept, for me anyway! I really hope you get another go at it, perhaps it was not so wise for me to get involved it this rp, certainly I was not convinced the writing styles were very compatible, but what were the chances anyway, of an African British young woman being in the middle of Texas? <br><br>I really hope you put it up again, I really do, you deserve to have it played out to the end.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>thymoit</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 15:01:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've been busy with real life.&nbsp; See my apologies &amp; absences thread, but Criptika's withdrawal pretty much kills this game.&nbsp; I might try it again sometime.&nbsp; I've put a lot of work into it, but I'm not sure how to do it better.&nbsp; Maybe the answer is fewer players.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Adam and Eves - OOC (Thymoit, Seraph, Criptika, Lady Lunaris and Mrsjaz) </strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>30-03-2011, 15:18:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes probably more of a 3 person game ?
			</dd>
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