[Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.
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		<h2 id="linktree">Play-By-Post: Light =&gt; Light: Exotic Small Groups =&gt; Topic started by: AlexStone on 24-06-2011, 05:01:45</h2>
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				Title: <strong>[Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 05:01:45</strong>
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				This is a place to talk about the game.&nbsp; Some silly joking is expected.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 05:23:24</strong>
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				I read the rules about establishing characters in the relevant thread.&nbsp; I thought characters were getting twice as many backgrounds, not 7 more?<br><br>EDIT: Also, Alex, can you clarify what you mean by a Not-Solar?&nbsp; Is that limited to just Lunars and Sids, or do DBs count, too?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 07:54:11</strong>
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				Yeah, chars get double of the backgrounds what is norm. So I guess dynasts get 24 backgrounds (so long they make sense as my char is ex-dynast and so she does not have multiple manse connections in her manse background example as dynast manse background assumes she has access to her house manses).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 08:52:31</strong>
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				Zaer, there is no 'sorcery' background.&nbsp; Dragon-Blooded buy Sorcery and sorcery spells the same way everyone else does (out of their Charm allotment).
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				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:04:49</strong>
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				According Ed's Toolkit the source of said background is in splatbook called 'Outcastes' (a 2th ed splatbook I presume, it has Lookshy trained sorcery and non-Lookshy trained and I took the non-Lookshy trained version). It says each dot gives me one free sorcery spell. Like Abyssals have necromancy background (in 1st edition anyways). It's up to ST to decide tough does it apply or not. If it does not, I simply run out charm slots entirely and I am sorceress which knows no sorcery spells (but is able to learn). At worst case scenario I end up sacrifice my charms and break my concept either be seducing socialite or be plain sorceress. As it is already painful to get all wanted charms with 7 what DB start with. At least 4 goes to lore charms to gain Birthright Font+elemental bolt, 2 needed for archery charms to get to make my arttilery combo and then two charms to get seduction charm. 1 charm goes to able to learn Terrestrial Sorcery.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:05:34</strong>
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				Outcastes is a first edition book.<br><br>We are playing second edition, unless I seriously misinterpreted things. :\
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:07:31</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831800#msg4831800">Quote from: meikle on 24-06-2011, 09:05:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Outcastes is a first edition book.<br><br>We are playing second edition.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>*shrugs*<br><br>Need wait ST then to decide does he allow it or not. My char studied in The Hepthagram which is dynasts sorcerer academy. That could warrant the Background dots for sorcery to know at least three sorcery spells. If not....my char concept is the gutted down and killed basically.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:09:12</strong>
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				Also known as Revised.&nbsp; And if you're using a character creator like myself (the infamous Anathema program), you're going to want to know the difference.<br><br>EDIT: Also, you need Essence 3 before you can start learning sorcery in Revised.&nbsp; Not sure what Alex will let you do regarding purchase of Essence and Charms and all that.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:11:48</strong>
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				nah, I am using Ed's Toolkit. It is updated to errata and stuff but it seems have some backgrounds and stuff which fit more based on different games (Arsenal example is more first age thing). I just chill and wait what ST has to say about Sorcery background. It is 1 dot = background point up to 3 dots, but after that it costs 4 BP to increase it to 4 dots.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:15:34</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831816#msg4831816">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-06-2011, 09:11:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">nah, I am using Ed's Toolkit. It is updated to errata and stuff but it seems have some backgrounds and stuff which fit more based on different games (Arsenal example is more first age thing). I just chill and wait what ST has to say about Sorcery background. It is 1 dot = background point up to 3 dots, but after that it costs 4 BP to increase it to 4 dots.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>i ... guess.&nbsp; i mean, in practice, it's basically giving you 12 free bonus points, just those first three dots.&nbsp; <br><br>in effect, though, i don't like having changes to the rules spring out of nowhere.&nbsp; it bothers me (and, as in this case, it makes me say things like 'uh, i guess i'll wait to see if things change before i work on my sheet?' -- a Defiler is going to know sorcery, after all.)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:19:14</strong>
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				Well, it would be nice if those who are sorcerers get kinda cheaper the first three sorcery spells (and most ST's also rule that from each circle the countermagic is learned for free as it is basic sorcery spell what you first learn basically).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:20:18</strong>
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				only insofar as everyone should get three free Charms if you do that.&nbsp; sorcerers shouldn't get special treatment just for being sorcerers.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:25:31</strong>
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				OTOH, according to the Errata, it only costs 3 BP per Charm if the Charm being purchased is from a Caste or Favored Ability.&nbsp; And as far as I can tell, Spells don't cost more for Terrestrials than they do for Solars.&nbsp; Unless Spells count as Charms for them.&nbsp; But reading from the experience table in the corebook, it seems that Spells and Charms are two different things.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:27:11</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831838#msg4831838">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 24-06-2011, 09:25:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">OTOH, according to the Errata, it only costs 3 BP per Charm if the Charm being purchased is from a Caste or Favored Ability.&nbsp; And as far as I can tell, Spells don't cost more for Terrestrials than they do for Solars.&nbsp; Unless Spells count as Charms for them.&nbsp; But reading from the experience table in the corebook, it seems that Spells and Charms are two different things.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That part of the errata doesn't apply to Terrestrials.&nbsp; Only the parts marked with an asterisk do.&nbsp; That is for Solars, Abyssals, and Infernals.<br><br>Charms -- and therefore spells -- do cost more for Terrestrials than Solars.&nbsp; (7/5 vs 4/3; yes, Terrestrials <em>are</em> meant to be far inferior to Solars; they're two levels down, after all.)<br><br>I'll stop harping about rules for now but ... well, you've seen how I feel about the rules by now.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:31:54</strong>
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				In terms of BP, not in terms of XP.&nbsp; The XP parts come wholly from the Dragonblood and Core book.
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				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:33:30</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831852#msg4831852">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 24-06-2011, 09:31:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In terms of BP, not in terms of XP.&nbsp; The XP parts come wholly from the Dragonblood and Core book.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, you opened talking about BP costs.&nbsp; A spell costs 7 for a terrestrial without Occult favored, or 5 for one with bp favored.&nbsp; It's different for XP, sure.&nbsp; (Different in that the XP costs are consistent between splats.)&nbsp; The big important part is that any of our Solar-tier people who take Sorcery can progress past the first circle, which is a pretty big deal
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:41:03</strong>
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				Yeah, as dragon-blood our charms cost a lot more. 10 XP for each charm and 5 BP per charm beyond basic ones. I was so tight on budjet that I could not afford any excelencies (expect one in socialize) which kind of sucks :(. As I cannot boost my Lore ability nor archery but at least I have straighforward idea where spend my XP at least (and not worry much train time thanks one lore charm which cuts 1 week train time to 1 day and I can keep do it 4 days in row without harm).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:42:22</strong>
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				Well, hopefully Alex will hand you a ton of experience for writing up your character's past and such.<br><br>Also, does anyone else here use Anathema?&nbsp; I may have found a glitch...
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				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:44:44</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831874#msg4831874">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 24-06-2011, 09:42:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, hopefully Alex will hand you a ton of experience for writing up your character's past and such.<br><br>Also, does anyone else here use Anathema?&nbsp; I may have found a glitch...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I've touched around with Anathema before, but I use EdExalted to outline my sheets, and I strongly prefer it.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:54:15</strong>
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				Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Koshak Kahn<br>Type:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Solar<br>Caste:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dawn<br>Height:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6'<br>Weight:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;190<br>Skin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dusky<br>Hair:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>Eyes:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dark&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>Anima:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A Red Eagle<br><br>Motivation:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Too lead the Delzhan through the great trials to come in a way that makes them stronger.&nbsp; <br>Intimacies:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>--His Circle and Associated Allies: Comeradery and Loyalty<br>--His Horse: Partnership<br>--His Hundred Companions: Comeradery and Loyalty<br>--Lusa Seragon, Respect For<br>--His Sword, Given Him by Yejoju-Tri-Khan<br>--Non Hostile Young Women, Affection, Protective Instinct, and often lust for.&nbsp; <br>--Viridian Dawn, Ember Rose, and Radiant Blessing: Enduring Lust, Eternal Love, Mutual Respect, and Commitment to Form a Partnership With.&nbsp; <br>--The Wisdom of Tamas Kahn, Respect For<br><br>Definitive People:&nbsp; <br>Ally:&nbsp; Lusa Seragon<br>Enemy: King Thrice Crowned By Treasonous Churls (Semanos) <br>Rival:&nbsp; <br><br><br>EXP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;50/0<br><br>(http://s.chakpak.com/se_images/26028_-1_564_none/hrithik-roshan.jpg)<br><br>(http://reviews.in.88db.com/images/hrithik.jpg)<br><br><em>If you are afraid, don’t do it.&nbsp; If you do it, don’t be afraid.</em><br>--A proveb of Tamas Khan<br><br>Strength&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>Dexterity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>Stamina&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br><br>Perception&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br>Intelligence&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br>Wits&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br><br>Charisma&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br>Manipulation&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>Appearance&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5<br><br>DAWN<br>*Archery&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>*Martial Arts&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>*Melee&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Swords<br>*Thrown&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>*War&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5<br><br>Integrity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Performance&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>*Presence&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Flirting<br>*Resistance&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Heat<br>Survival&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br><br>Craft&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Investigation&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Lore&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1<br>Medecine&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>*Occult&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Elementals<br><br><br>Athletics&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>*Awareness&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br>Dodge&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Larceny&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Stealth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br><br>Bureaucracy&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Linguistics&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1<br>*Ride&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>Sail&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br>Socialize&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0<br><br><br>Compasion&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br>Conviction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>Temrence&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2<br>Valor&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5<br>Willpower&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8<br>Essence&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3<br><br><br>CHARMS: <br>ARCHERY <br>2nd Archery Excellency: Essence Overwhelming<br><br>MELEE<br>2nd Melee Excellency: Essence Overwhelming<br>1 Weapon, 2 Blows<br>Flashing Edge of Dawn<br><br>PRESENCE<br>2nd Presence Excellency: Essence Overwhelming<br><br>RESISTANCE<br>Body Mending Meditation<br>Ox Body Technique<br><br>SURVIVAL<br>Hardship Surviving Mendicant Spirit<br><br>RIDE<br>Master Horseman’s Techniques:<br>--Harmony of Spirit’s Style<br>--Horse Summoning Whistle<br>--Master Horseman’s Eye<br>--Speed Sustaining Technique<br>--Spirit Sustaining Assurance<br><br>WAR<br>2nd War Excellency: Essence Overwhelming <br>Route Stemming Gesture<br>Mob Dispersing Rebuke<br><br>Allies&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Viridian Dawn, Ember Rose, and Radiant Blessing.<br>Artifact&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thunderbolt Shield<br>Followers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The Hundred Companions<br>Mentor&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lusa Seragon<br>Influence&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kha’kahn and member by marriage of the Court of Orderly Flame<br>Resources&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br><br>Yeaonogu’s Sword<br>Perfect Quality Chiaroscuro Glass Slashing Sword<br>Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>ACC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(+2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;12<br>Damage&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(+4L)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8L<br>Defense&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(+2)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11/PDV 6<br>Rate&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4<br>Tags:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Piercing<br><br>Twin Flame Piece<br>Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5<br>ACC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(+1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8<br>Damage&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8L<br>Rate&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1<br>Range&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8<br><br>Armor: Lamellar (6L/8B Mobility -2, Fatigue 1 when worn.)&nbsp; <br><br>Soak:&nbsp; <br>Bashing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;12<br>Lethal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;8<br>Aggravated&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6<br><br>Health:&nbsp; <br>-1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )<br>-1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )( )( )( )<br>-2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )( )<br>-4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )<br>&nbsp;I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )<br>&nbsp;D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( )( )( )( )<br><br><br><br>Koshak Kahn—one of the tri’kahn’s thousand ‘nephews’--is, in fact, the second son of one of the more wealthy and important lines of Delzhan Nobles.&nbsp; A hot headed and hot loined youth, he made his father proud in many ways, but his indiscretions in the area of seduction quickly earned him more foes than friends.&nbsp; <br><br>Koshak’s father noted his son’s charm and grace too the Tri’kahn and suggested him for a position as amongst the emissaries too the Court of Orderly Flame.&nbsp; Taking this adventure in good graces, Koshak promised too woo fire butterflies and learn the sword under efrit blademasters and do his father honor.&nbsp; <br><br>A man of deeds more than words, the senior diplomats quickly realized that Koshak would not be best suited too rise to their ranks, but elementals had young among their numbers too, and men of action could connect on levels that transcended species or mortality.&nbsp; Within a year, Koshak’s primary duty was too represent the Delzhan among military actions against the fair folk.&nbsp; It was in these battles that he found tests of arms that truly pressed him to his limits and beyond, pressing him towards the point where the Unconquered Sun awaited him.&nbsp; <br><br>It was also amongst these expeditions that he first witnessed a trio of emerald skinned, fire haired girls dancing towards the battle on flaming footprints, and the sensual indolence of the fire butterflies was forgotten.&nbsp; <br><br>The fact that the three young flame ducks mocked at the mortal’s suit only drove him wilder with passion and ambition.&nbsp; He began regularly petitioning the efrit Lusa Seragon for initiation into the supernatural martial arts.&nbsp; He was, of course, politely denied each time, often with referrals too efrits and garda birds who would instruct him—which he seized—but Lusa Seragon’s instruction was for the Court of Orderly Flame alone.&nbsp; <br><br>In his third year honorably representing Chiaoscuro alongside the armies of the Court of Orderly Flame—a loan mortal among gods and demigods fearlessly saluting the three he loved and throwing himself into the fray with the hobgoblins—the three flame ducks learned from their kin that the mortal had denied himself the willing attentions of the fire butterflies or any other woman since the first day he’d seen them.&nbsp; The three did not know what to think or say, but one offered him her blessing before the next battle.&nbsp; <br><br>It was in that battle that the three were cut off from the rest of their army by a hobgoblins and five griffin riding cataraphoi descended upon them.&nbsp; <br><br>Seeing this from where he held the flanks against the hobgolins, a horrible rage rose up in Koshak.&nbsp; It seemed the light of the burning sun blazed out of him.&nbsp; His drove his golden camel through hobgoblins that suddenly quailed and quivered, and cut his way too join with the three.&nbsp; His iron knife and glass blade cut through sidhe plate with equal ease, and the four cut their way back too the armies together…&nbsp; <br><br>That night, the three girls granted Koshak his wish, their hearts, their bodies, and their love.&nbsp; Fort he first time in his life, he wanted more.&nbsp; When the young exalted petitioned Lusa Sargon to wed them, he was greeted not as a mortal, but as a God-King of Creation, an ally to be held and cherished.&nbsp; He was granted not only the marriage of the three, but ancient gifts of orichalcum long hidden away and title to a manse.&nbsp; <br>[/i]<br><br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;“You spoke to Yejouj Tri-Kahn after the death knight stabbed him, Kah-Kahn.&nbsp; May I ask you what he said?”&nbsp; <br>The young Delzhan nodded, “He said to me, ‘Nephew, I am dying.’&nbsp; So I answered my king with the words of Tamas Kahn.&nbsp; ‘Then do not be afraid.’&nbsp; He smiled, and he pressed his sword into my hands.&nbsp; Then he was gone.&nbsp; <br>“And I met the eyes of his eldest son, my cousin Semanos, who should have held that sword and worn this crown.&nbsp; I saw hatred there.&nbsp; I have not seen him since.”&nbsp; <br><br><br>(http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/nicholsorion.jpg)<br><br>(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jvBFHkK2ZXc/TSBrrxJdHrI/AAAAAAAAJag/a_2oSe6B0XY/s640/orion+%25284%2529.jpg)<br><br>(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/117/d/9/Gaila_of_Orion_by_koboot.jpg)<br><br>(http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv251/SalvorHardin00/shops/redshirtGaila1.jpg)<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 10:03:02</strong>
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				Shouldn't we each set aside from background points for the group, so we can build up aspects of our army and control of the city?&nbsp; 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 10:53:16</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831908#msg4831908">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 24-06-2011, 10:03:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Shouldn't we each set aside from background points for the group, so we can build up aspects of our army and control of the city? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>that is a very good idea!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 12:41:55</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4831811#msg4831811">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 24-06-2011, 09:09:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also known as Revised.&nbsp; And if you're using a character creator like myself (the infamous Anathema program), you're going to want to know the difference.<br><br>EDIT: Also, you need Essence 3 before you can start learning sorcery in Revised.&nbsp; Not sure what Alex will let you do regarding purchase of Essence and Charms and all that.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>As to Essence and Charms, you can learn whatever charms you like based on your maximum Essence.&nbsp; Just figure what you want that to be first, I think
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 13:36:27</strong>
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				Side note: I have a busy couple of days over the next few, so if I'm a little slow in replying to some things, that's why.&nbsp; I haven't forgotten.&nbsp; Just be a little more patient.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 15:48:48</strong>
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				Not a problem.&nbsp; I know I can be.&nbsp; All I really need right now are the questions I posed answered, and I think that I can keep myself busy with building my character, whatever I choose him to be.<br><br>For the record, the questions are, Alex:<br><br>1 - You said I was playing a non-Solar.&nbsp; Does that mean just a Lunar or Sid, or does it include DB?<br><br>2 - The background thing.&nbsp; You've said double the backgrounds you receive in creation at one point, and that you get seven more dots at another.&nbsp; I need to know which.<br><br>3 - The thing about Terrestrials and Artifact and all that (the question in the Rules Thread).
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 15:59:51</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4832483#msg4832483">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 24-06-2011, 15:48:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Not a problem.&nbsp; I know I can be.&nbsp; All I really need right now are the questions I posed answered, and I think that I can keep myself busy with building my character, whatever I choose him to be.<br><br>For the record, the questions are, Alex:<br><br>1 - You said I was playing a non-Solar.&nbsp; Does that mean just a Lunar or Sid, or does it include DB?<br><br>2 - The background thing.&nbsp; You've said double the backgrounds you receive in creation at one point, and that you get seven more dots at another.&nbsp; I need to know which.<br><br>3 - The thing about Terrestrials and Artifact and all that (the question in the Rules Thread).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sure.&nbsp; I can answer those right now, so I will.<br><br>1. Lunar, Sidereal, or DB.&nbsp; If you play a Sidereal, it'll answer the question about Sidereal support for the Circle- you're it!&nbsp; If you want to play something else, then we'll leave that floating for now.<br><br>2.&nbsp; Double, not seven.&nbsp; I'll modify the characters post to reflect it.<br><br>3.&nbsp; See Rules forum.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 17:24:14</strong>
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				Since Night seems to be still open, I'll be yoinking that, for my ex-Lookshy Ashigaru, Raven.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 21:14:47</strong>
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				Well, hopefully I earn bonus XP for lots as it would help round up my char more. Also as Sorcery is no longer applicable background I PM'ed to ST about it and how go around it. Anyways I continue typing.....and also soon add a new sexier pic what friend of mine edited :). Showing off my char anima banner while casting a spell.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 00:06:22</strong>
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				So, any ideas on how we can bring ourselves together into a strong group?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 00:09:35</strong>
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				I will try finish my background tonigth but I edited my old charsheet post so you can see her new pic.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 02:52:41</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4834386#msg4834386">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 25-06-2011, 00:06:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, any ideas on how we can bring ourselves together into a strong group?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I think the History thread will help with that, but if someone out there wants to take the role as the catalyst for forming the team, that might well help.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 03:22:50</strong>
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				If I end up playing a Sidereal, does anyone have any objections to that character being the catalyst for putting the group together?&nbsp; Sids are known for their scheming...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 03:28:21</strong>
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				I do not mind, if you read lower half of my background a gold faction sidereal who worked as mentor (a female but I can edit based on your char Reiji) in Hepthagram actually told her truth about first age usurpation after she met face to face with her first solar who was also scholar like her. Learning he did not appear demon possesed (and she had over forty year background where she had summoned her first demon who had hinted towards the truth about anathema's true nature). So if possible you could make sidereal the guy/gal who led destined dragon-blood sorceress to go aid growing solar kingdom in south.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 03:41:57</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4835269#msg4835269">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 25-06-2011, 03:22:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If I end up playing a Sidereal, does anyone have any objections to that character being the catalyst for putting the group together?&nbsp; Sids are known for their scheming...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>This would fit in well with any story.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 03:44:27</strong>
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				And another good mark goes in the Sid column...Alex, I've got a rules question that I'll be posting in the relevant thread.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 03:45:03</strong>
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				Also note I writed bottom end assuming the story is heading towards south, Chiraroscue. If decision goes elsewhere I can edit my background story. If some questions regarding my char are unanswered I can edit background include the answers or plainly say them.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 04:24:45</strong>
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				You're headed in the right direction.&nbsp; I don't quite have the time to look at your background tonight (Well, it's morning for you, but, you get the idea) but I'll send you any questions I have soon.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 04:27:15</strong>
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				Okay.&nbsp; Theoretical question being posed to the group.&nbsp; I have 4 BP left to spend before I get to my 50 experience to build up the char.&nbsp; I have a couple of options - I can trade in the 4 BP for an attribute dot, or I can use it to get a couple more points Willpower and a dot or two of Favored/Caste Abilities.<br><br>For numerical sake, the attribute would be raised from 2 to 3 if I spent the BP on it.&nbsp; If on Willpower, BP would go up from 7 to 8, and the two Favored/Caste Abilities from 3 to 4.<br><br>Exalt type, if it matters, is Dragonblood.<br><br>This is only theoretical.&nbsp; I still haven't decided my particular character yet.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 04:47:30</strong>
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				My night caste will have a history of pissing off the Guild. Does that tie in with anyone else?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 11:32:51</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4835787#msg4835787">Quote from: HairyHeretic on 25-06-2011, 04:47:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My night caste will have a history of pissing off the Guild. Does that tie in with anyone else?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, my char had done deal with Guild merchant for sake of her house around ten or twenty years ago, and before that she had traveled twenty years all around the world. So not really clashing but nor connecting much.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 11:59:53</strong>
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				Here is what I am working on, though it is not finished.&nbsp; I am intending to take a beamklave, though instead of being a magitech device, I'm going to fluff it up an infernal relic (cecelynian glass, malfean essence, etc)<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Madder</div><div class="spoiler_body">Madder, the Ecstatic Architect<br>Defiler Caste Green Sun Prince<br><br>Madder was born in the New City of Chiaroscuro to poor parents, who originally survived on just their father's pay as a laborer.&nbsp; Her mother, though, fell into a life of crime to help make ends meet when a third mouth to feed was introduced to the family -- and what's more, her increased income meant that they could send Madder to school rather than putting her to work as well.&nbsp; This was good for Madder; she was a clever and thoughtful child.&nbsp; She was also incredibly bitter about how hard her parents had to struggle to feed the family and keep her in school.<br><br>Madder excelled in school; she was taken in by a patron who recognized her quick mind early on in her studies, and whisked away from her family who tearfully, but understandingly, allowed her to be taken to live in the Old City with the much wealthier portion of the population.&nbsp; Madder was thankful for the opportunity, and took advantage of the situation to the best of her ability, but the seed of bitterness in her heart grew while she was surrounded by the poor.&nbsp; It was while Madder was away from her parents, living in a dormitory that was luxurious in comparison to her parent's place, that her mother died.&nbsp; She didn't learn that -- or even hear from her father -- for years.<br><br>Madder's late teenage years were marked by a shift from passive consumption of all of the knowledge and tutelage placed before her toward activist practices toward changing the social makeup of Chiaroscuro: she wanted to see the rich deposed, the poor empowered, and the government to make this happen.&nbsp; She made traction, too, and had numerous followers and believers.&nbsp; Her contacts and allies included idealists among the rich, and the angry poor; they included lawmen who wanted to see justice for everyone, and criminals who would side with anyone if it meant a profit.<br><br>Her movement lost its momentum almost as quickly as it had begun.&nbsp; Madder's most trusted associates were dying, most of them murdered in their own homes, some of them executed on trumped charges -- to protect the interests of Delzahn nobles and the Guild's interests, likely, those who benefited on the labor of the poor.&nbsp; Madder feared for her life, and instead of facing the threats and leading her growing mob toward a socialized state with unified equality for all, she went into hiding.&nbsp; Her followers' will was crushed; they became convinced that there was no hope for the poor of the New City beyond the meager lives they had already made for themselves.<br><br>It was in her hiding place, surrounded by those criminals that Madder trusted most, that a thing (as that is the best Madder could make of it) came to her, materializing neatly beside her bed.&nbsp; It wore a black robe that hid its features perfectly, save for a pale blue glow that emanated from within its hood.&nbsp; "Your efforts need not be in vain," it said, speaking in a voice like grinding stone.&nbsp; "Your failure is not yet complete.&nbsp; Chiaroscuro will see yet the error of their ways, guided by your hand.&nbsp; You need only come with me."<br><br>And Madder did.</div></div><br>probably can link in neatly with Guild-related concerns, because rich people hate poor people who try to take their money.&nbsp; Also I will add more about her exaltation and etc when it's not 5 AM.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>25-06-2011, 18:29:40</strong>
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				Still looking for more people?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>26-06-2011, 01:05:31</strong>
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				We're still sorting it all out, plus there's basically a waiting list.&nbsp; Still, I'll be happy to let you know if room develops.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>26-06-2011, 08:02:41</strong>
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				Understood.&nbsp; Feel free to PM me if room opens up.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>26-06-2011, 10:23:44</strong>
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				And continuing from where I left off ...<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Madder, Exaltation &amp; Post-Exaltation</div><div class="spoiler_body"><br>The moment Madder agreed to accept the gift the cloaked figure offered, it attacked her -- in a way of speaking, taking hold of her and drawing her into itself, until it enfolded her entirely.&nbsp; Carrying the freedom fighter within itself, it clambered to the corner of the room, and there it settled finally, forming an perfect cocoon of dimly glowing blue flesh to house the inchoate Green Sun Prince that Madder would become.<br><br>Inside of the cocoon, perfectly protected and hidden from the world, Madder slept fitfully for five days and nights.&nbsp; Her thoughts were nightmares and dreams, woefully symmetrical in their nature, and over the course of five days, they changed her.&nbsp; The girl who emerged was not the same as the frightened idealist that she had been when she was swallowed whole.&nbsp; Instead, she brimmed with confidence and a frightening understanding of the order of all things.&nbsp; <br><br>She wanted more, and she willed the disembodied demon that resided then in her head to show her the Demon Realm, where she knew she would find the perfect order that seemed to resound in her mind.<br><br>She was sorely disappointed.<br><br>Hell proved a welcoming place for Madder; as one of the Green Sun Princes, she was recognized as a superior citizen, with authority over nearly all of the demon realm, save the few immediate emanations of the Yozis themselves.&nbsp; Whatever she wanted for, she was granted; as in her mortal life, she learned and consumed, vulturous, with only bitterness and stirring detestation for those who taught her, who doted on her, who wanted her as a weapon.<br><br>It was during her time in Hell that she learned the Sorcery of the Yozi -- not the sorcery of mortals and gods at all, but a dread emanation of the hands that forged Creation, a natural thing that Madder learned to wield innately, an extension of her will.&nbsp; It is also where she took her first lover and, in a fit of discontent, saw that same lover rendered down into so much bubbling ink and etched onto her body.&nbsp; It was suiting, she decided in the aftermath, and she felt no remorse: "No love without pain," the demon had told her.&nbsp; The tattoo was her remembrance of the joys they shared.<br><br>It was also in Hell that Madder learned swordplay, and further extended her studies into the occult and the history of the world -- particularly the history of the Delzhan and Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; The weapon she carries to this day was the favored tool of her mentor; she murdered him at the height of her training, when he stood quietly in awe of the pupil and how quickly she had learned.&nbsp; The Demon City has laws, she reminded herself.&nbsp; "No silence without death."&nbsp; His weapon was her keepsake for the time they spent together.<br><br>And, eventually, Madder left.&nbsp; She took freely from the Demon City all that it could give her, and when she felt it could give her no more without asking its take in return, she left.&nbsp; There was nothing more to it; the Demon City was a loud, disorderly place, ruled by hypocrites without regard for their own laws beyond the ways that they broke them.&nbsp; It disgusted and offended her, and when she left, she reminded herself that she was still playing by their rules.&nbsp; "No power without ambition."&nbsp; Her Exaltation is her remembrance of the things she took from those who empowered her.&nbsp; She laughed as she went, and she returned to Chiaroscuro.<br><br>She returned to make it a better place, a place that made sense, a place where the laws were just, followed and enforced, where those who led deserved to lead and those who suffered deserved to suffer.&nbsp; Anything less was unacceptable.</div></div><br>I imagine that Madder's actions immediately following her return to Creation was to wander into Chiaroscuro and plop down a Chirality Prohibition Index (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms:Chirality_Prohibition_Index) centered in the undercity beneath Chiaroscuro; this would allow it to pervade the city proper, while still remaining neatly out of sight.&nbsp; It's a heavily populated area, so I imagine it would expand fairly quickly.<br><br>There are probably beings around who would resist such a thing but ... well, Exalted's all about challenges, right?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 00:23:13</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4842431#msg4842431">Quote from: meikle on 26-06-2011, 10:23:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And continuing from where I left off ...<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Madder, Exaltation &amp; Post-Exaltation</div><div class="spoiler_body"><br>The moment Madder agreed to accept the gift the cloaked figure offered, it attacked her -- in a way of speaking, taking hold of her and drawing her into itself, until it enfolded her entirely.&nbsp; Carrying the freedom fighter within itself, it clambered to the corner of the room, and there it settled finally, forming an perfect cocoon of dimly glowing blue flesh to house the inchoate Green Sun Prince that Madder would become.<br><br>Inside of the cocoon, perfectly protected and hidden from the world, Madder slept fitfully for five days and nights.&nbsp; Her thoughts were nightmares and dreams, woefully symmetrical in their nature, and over the course of five days, they changed her.&nbsp; The girl who emerged was not the same as the frightened idealist that she had been when she was swallowed whole.&nbsp; Instead, she brimmed with confidence and a frightening understanding of the order of all things.&nbsp; <br><br>She wanted more, and she willed the disembodied demon that resided then in her head to show her the Demon Realm, where she knew she would find the perfect order that seemed to resound in her mind.<br><br>She was sorely disappointed.<br><br>Hell proved a welcoming place for Madder; as one of the Green Sun Princes, she was recognized as a superior citizen, with authority over nearly all of the demon realm, save the few immediate emanations of the Yozis themselves.&nbsp; Whatever she wanted for, she was granted; as in her mortal life, she learned and consumed, vulturous, with only bitterness and stirring detestation for those who taught her, who doted on her, who wanted her as a weapon.<br><br>It was during her time in Hell that she learned the Sorcery of the Yozi -- not the sorcery of mortals and gods at all, but a dread emanation of the hands that forged Creation, a natural thing that Madder learned to wield innately, an extension of her will.&nbsp; It is also where she took her first lover and, in a fit of discontent, saw that same lover rendered down into so much bubbling ink and etched onto her body.&nbsp; It was suiting, she decided in the aftermath, and she felt no remorse: "No love without pain," the demon had told her.&nbsp; The tattoo was her remembrance of the joys they shared.<br><br>It was also in Hell that Madder learned swordplay, and further extended her studies into the occult and the history of the world -- particularly the history of the Delzhan and Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; The weapon she carries to this day was the favored tool of her mentor; she murdered him at the height of her training, when he stood quietly in awe of the pupil and how quickly she had learned.&nbsp; The Demon City has laws, she reminded herself.&nbsp; "No silence without death."&nbsp; His weapon was her keepsake for the time they spent together.<br><br>And, eventually, Madder left.&nbsp; She took freely from the Demon City all that it could give her, and when she felt it could give her no more without asking its take in return, she left.&nbsp; There was nothing more to it; the Demon City was a loud, disorderly place, ruled by hypocrites without regard for their own laws beyond the ways that they broke them.&nbsp; It disgusted and offended her, and when she left, she reminded herself that she was still playing by their rules.&nbsp; "No power without ambition."&nbsp; Her Exaltation is her remembrance of the things she took from those who empowered her.&nbsp; She laughed as she went, and she returned to Chiaroscuro.<br><br>She returned to make it a better place, a place that made sense, a place where the laws were just, followed and enforced, where those who led deserved to lead and those who suffered deserved to suffer.&nbsp; Anything less was unacceptable.</div></div><br>I imagine that Madder's actions immediately following her return to Creation was to wander into Chiaroscuro and plop down a Chirality Prohibition Index (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms:Chirality_Prohibition_Index) centered in the undercity beneath Chiaroscuro; this would allow it to pervade the city proper, while still remaining neatly out of sight.&nbsp; It's a heavily populated area, so I imagine it would expand fairly quickly.<br><br>There are probably beings around who would resist such a thing but ... well, Exalted's all about challenges, right?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Since Chirality Prohibition Index has a number of effects, would you mind defining them for your instance of it sometime soon?&nbsp; I think it'll say a lot about your character, too.`
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 00:36:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed.....that Chirality Prohibition Index is kick ass! I do not know even close a another charm or sorcery spell which does that kind of things!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 02:24:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Chirality Prohibition Index is fantastic.&nbsp; I'll summarize what Madder's looks like soon.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 02:41:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Must not look at Warstriders&nbsp; &gt;:)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 03:37:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				:: twirls wrench::<br><br>We'll start taking orders soon.&nbsp; No worries.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 04:09:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, I'm back and semi-stable.&nbsp; Can I get an idea of where everyone is standing?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 04:37:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have been fiddling with my sheet, just trying to figure out how to make the numbers work the way I want them to.&nbsp; I wrote up some background stuff.&nbsp; I'll also add in about friends and rivals and things like that as well.&nbsp; That is where I am.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 09:20:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I posted my sheet.<br><br>I used my XP and BP interchangeably (that is to say, I spent them when I felt it would be most advantageous to do so, and not in a BP-before-XP manner) because I thought I saw something about that being alright.&nbsp; I can move things around if that's not cool.<br><br>I'm not sure if we need backing to represent being able to tell people in Chiaroscuro what to do.&nbsp; Madder has some sway through the Cult she's formed beneath the city as a direct result of Chirality Prohibition Index, and she also has Influence.<br><br>I still have BP to spend, so the sheet's not totally finished.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 10:41:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, my current draft makes me an excellency fiend.&nbsp; *Sighes*&nbsp; :)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 18:10:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still playing with points, and pushing ideas around for what I want to do.<br><br>I have nightclasses tonight and tomorrow, so that will slow me down a bit.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:02:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4847732#msg4847732">Quote from: Muse on 27-06-2011, 10:41:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, my current draft makes me an excellency fiend.&nbsp; *Sighes*&nbsp; :) <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I have to constantly repurchase my one Excellency :(<br><br>But it applies to basically everything so long as I Have A Plan, so that's good.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:25:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				First, I did want to point out that there are two castes unaccounted for by our group so far.&nbsp; We are missing a Zenith and an Eclipse.&nbsp; Both are pretty important for city building I might add.&nbsp; <br><br>Second, I think our ST brought up an excellent point that we need to discuss.&nbsp; Who is in charge essentially and how are we contributing to the advancement of our city.&nbsp; Meikle currently took over the Undercity for herself, which gives us some economic stability.&nbsp; When I can actually sit down and create this character I am going to have her focused on the infrastructure of Chiacurso (still can’t spell this city).&nbsp; By that I mean getting the water running to homes, getting the manses working, etc. etc.<br><br>So does anyone else know where exactly they want to put their character focus in rebuilding our new toy..err…city?<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:31:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, Madder -- and that's like the plant, and not 'more mad' -- is taking control of the Undercity (though she totally intends to spread her teachings throughout the city and elsewhere, too, because it is PERFECT), which includes a huge market and most of the underworld elements (which will probably still continue, simply in a more orderly manner -- Yozi-powered organized crime is pretty scary, I imagine).&nbsp; It should mean that the economy functions pretty well -- especially because Madder's Cult doesn't worry too much about things like personal property or money, so profits can be spent improving things for everyone.<br><br>She's also got Cecelyne favored (though not many Charms), which is the 'Zenith' branch of Infernal magic, though it's less 'priest' and more 'god' in function.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:38:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, my char overall is function wise is able summon demons so she can contribute a lot based on demons she summons every night work for the city itself. But I think Madder can do better demon summoning than I do but still demon summoning is one things I want keep because it is one sorcerer assets anyway.<br><br>Second spell turns her social attacks mental influencing (like Madder does also so we both overstack each other here). But besides that my char is fireball barrage firing sorceress who can fly and has skills in presence and socialize (and be seductive).<br><br>Besides that....not much. Resource 3 and just 2 contacts (one in Lookshy and one in house Cynis) and mentor 4 for Hepthagram master she has.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:46:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4850608#msg4850608">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 28-06-2011, 01:38:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, my char overall is function wise is able summon demons so she can contribute a lot based on demons she summons every night work for the city itself. But I think Madder can do better demon summoning than I do but still demon summoning is one things I want keep because it is one sorcerer assets anyway.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Madder's demon summoning is easier (it takes less time, six seconds vs six hours) but less thorough (her summoned demons can be summoned away from her.)&nbsp; Demon Summoning is still probably the single most useful spell for any sorcerer though, I wouldn't expect you not to use it!<br><br>I didn't realize you also took Droning Suggestion; I was just looking at Spells that get discounted by my Sorcerous Initiation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 01:48:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4850568#msg4850568">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 28-06-2011, 01:25:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">First, I did want to point out that there are two castes unaccounted for by our group so far.&nbsp; We are missing a Zenith and an Eclipse.&nbsp; Both are pretty important for city building I might add.&nbsp; <br><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>We have a Zenith- I've been a bit slow in adding that information in.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:00:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So we need an Eclipse?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:07:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4850891#msg4850891">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 28-06-2011, 03:00:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So we need an Eclipse?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yes.&nbsp; We have a waiting list, which I'm working through.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:11:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, so we've got four Solars, two DBs, and a non-Solar (myself)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:12:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Four Solars, an Infernal, a DB and yourself.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:14:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...?&nbsp; What about Hairy?&nbsp; He was playing a Lookshyan DB...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 03:19:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4850955#msg4850955">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 28-06-2011, 03:14:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">...?&nbsp; What about Hairy?&nbsp; He was playing a Lookshyan DB...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A Lookshyan Night Caste.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 13:04:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm doing a new build with the idea that Koshak tried too stay clear of Chiaoscuro after Exaltatoin, and started meeting up with the other players.&nbsp; <br><br>HIs home town came under attack by creatures of darkness, say, abysal exalts, and 100 Delzan who had gotten wind of this band of heroes--and the fact that one was Delzahn, perhas a friend of theirs, came looking for them.&nbsp; <br><br>We came too the aid of Chiaoscuro and together broke the siege/occupation by the undead forces.&nbsp; Koshak was seen fighting beside the Tri'kan several times.&nbsp; When the Tri'kahn was mortaly wounded, Koshak fought to his side and slew the death knight.&nbsp; <br><br>The Tri'kahn placed his sword in Koshak's hands as he died, and Koshak was proclaimed Kha'kahn after the siege was lifted.&nbsp; The entire circle were welcomed as liberating heroes.&nbsp; Each in our own way (and from our own perpsective) we've worked too improve things.&nbsp; <br><br>One thing Koshak does is provide political continuity for the Delzhan while fulfiling the prophecy of the Kha'kahn.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 13:20:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4853077#msg4853077">Quote from: Muse on 28-06-2011, 13:04:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm doing a new build with the idea that Koshak tried too stay clear of Chiaoscuro after Exaltatoin, and started meeting up with the other players.&nbsp; <br><br>The Tri'kahn placed his sword in Koshak's hands as he died, and Koshak was proclaimed Kha'kahn after the siege was lifted.&nbsp; The entire circle were welcomed as liberating heroes.&nbsp; Each in our own way (and from our own perpsective) we've worked too improve things.&nbsp; <br><br>One thing Koshak does is provide political continuity for the Delzhan while fulfiling the prophecy of the Kha'kahn. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I do like the story as a frame for the pre-history of the game.&nbsp; Comments?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 13:40:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;“You spoke to Yejouj Tri-Kahn after the death knight stabbed him, Kah-Kahn.&nbsp; May I ask you what he said?”&nbsp; <br>The young Delzhan nodded, “He said to me, ‘Nephew, I am dying.’&nbsp; So I answered my king with the words of Tamas Kahn.&nbsp; ‘Then do not be afraid.’&nbsp; He smiled, and he pressed his sword into my hands.&nbsp; Then he was gone.&nbsp; <br>“And I met the eyes of his eldest son, my cousin Semanos, who should have held that sword and worn this crown.&nbsp; I saw hatred there.&nbsp; I have not seen him since.”&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>28-06-2011, 18:26:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I like the rough frame idea that whole circle was welcomed as liberating heroes in local area. I think in the battle my char had made appearance by bombarding the undead with her spells and used demon minions to cleave through them and after the battle she announced her intention; to join and make oath serve the new kings of the creation (Solars) best of her capacity (while striving on her personal goal become greatest dragon-blood sorceress).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 00:40:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So will these Death Knights be an ongoing thing for us?&nbsp; Recurring villains and such?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 04:19:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4860785#msg4860785">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 30-06-2011, 00:40:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So will these Death Knights be an ongoing thing for us?&nbsp; Recurring villains and such?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>In a mild way.&nbsp; They probably won't be the main antagonists, but if people want them around, they can be their own kinds of pain in the ass.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 04:20:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think you already said that the main antagonists will be the Realm and the Dynasts, right?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 04:25:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At first.&nbsp; If we go past that arc, then the Yozi Reclamation will be a major story element.&nbsp; But, hey, that doesn't mean these guys can't be an irritant.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 04:41:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's team up with Abyssals to thwart the Yozis!<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 12:55:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, that works for me- after all, a Reclaimed Creation isn't an obliterated one.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 13:04:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				:: makes grabby hands for abyssal tech too::
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 13:39:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ew, Necrotech, gross!&nbsp; :P&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 14:25:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A proposal:<br><br>I know we're short 1 player for the&nbsp; circle, and I'm trying to find that person.&nbsp; I'm working through the people who said they were interested back when we seemed full, and I'm waiting to hear back from them as we speak.&nbsp; I think we all have a good idea of the concept of our characters, even as we finish putting the sheets together, etc.&nbsp; I think we can start the prologue of the story- we don't need full sheets for it, since it's going to be more a collaborative writing exercise than a strictly RP type thing.&nbsp; We can develop our sheets, alter them, etc, as we go forward, plus it might give ideas for rivals/allies/friends going forward.&nbsp; <br><br>For the prologue, I want to frame it as a report by Glorious Sand-Jewel, the Historian for the Bureau of Humanity.&nbsp; It'll be written in the third person (From your perspective.)&nbsp; And it will tell of how your group rallied to Chiaroscuro to defend it from a lighting raid led by a group of Abyssals- they can either be from The First and Forsaken Lion, or The Warden of the Dark Threshold, which is a Deathlord I'm shamelessly stealing from a friend.&nbsp; Anyone have an opinion on which Deathlord?<br><br>What do we think of starting?&nbsp; I'd like to keep up some momentum here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 14:29:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Who is the Warden?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 15:03:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, yes, do tell us about the Warden.&nbsp; <br><br>I like the Lion, but there's not much in Cannon about his land of the living activities.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 15:05:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He sits on his Iron Throne and looks grumpy.&nbsp; About it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 15:29:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Warden of the Dark Threshold sounds suspiciously like something taken from HP Lovecraft...I'm probably wrong, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 18:00:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am fine with either but ligthning raid could sound what Lion could do to test defense capabillities (stragedy wise send weaker abyssals to raid the place). Also can someone with nice source books give me a list of good demons what my char could had summoned? Also need stats done to my ifrit prince companion and also bonus XP from background till my charsheet is complete :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>30-06-2011, 21:56:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i like the sound of a Warden (with not much to go on) just because i like homebrew deathlords.&nbsp; too many people forget that there are more deathlords than we have information for!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>01-07-2011, 02:09:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mm!&nbsp; *high five's Miekle and snuggles his sexy northern cannibal Song of Crystal Tears*&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>01-07-2011, 02:52:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Warden is, fundamentally, a mad scientist.&nbsp; At the appropriate fringe of Creation- for the game I'm stealing this from, it was in the North, but there's nothing requiring him to be there- he builds a machine.&nbsp; That machine, once complete, will sunder all of Creation apart, sending it screaming into Oblivion.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>01-07-2011, 16:21:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				OOOOOhhhhh..Machines to play with and dismantle!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 07:20:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i will dismantle YOU!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 08:58:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				O.o!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 10:29:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				some starting sounds nice.&nbsp; <br><br>And on my sheet I have the son of the Tri'kahn--inheritor too the essence of an abysal we defeated--as my rival.&nbsp; Is good?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 14:41:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That could work, assuming you want to make these Abyssals that we defeat a common story element.<br><br>So, I'm hearing a lean towards the Warden?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 15:13:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think the Warden would be interesting.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>02-07-2011, 20:40:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, we were supposed to have an ally, a rival, and a friend.<br><br>Madder's friend/lover is tattooed onto her thigh -- or she was, anyway, but she moves over Madder's skin as she pleases, generally out of sight.&nbsp; She is called Tzilya, the Dark Places, and was given to Madder as a gift from She Who Lives In Her Name -- a sort of positive reinforcement when Madder's displeasure with the demon city and its overlords became more apparent.&nbsp; The destructive act of grinding Tzilya down into ink was her show of disgust at the Yozi's petty gifts.<br><br>As a demon with her own proper form, Tzilya resembled a lithe human, with hair like flowing shadows that reached her ankles and cloaked her away from the light of the Green Sun.&nbsp; Her purview is spiritual as well as physical; Tzilya considers herself part of all dark places, whether they be the hidden alcoves long-forgotten beneath stairwells, or the shut away memories of tragedy and horror in the minds of mortals.&nbsp; She thrives in these places.<br><br>Tzilya was, before Madder ordered her burnt down into chalcanth, an Essence 6 demon of the Second Circle.&nbsp; Now she is a zero-dot artifact with two dots of Sentience (so cruel was Madder's decision to distill the demon into ink that she demanded nothing remain of her power; alas, Tzilya was too powerful to be entirely silenced.)<br><br>I will post the rules for this in the Rules thread.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 05:29:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here's a rival:<br><br>During her time spent in the Demon City -- only a little over a year as it was -- Madder managed to make a lot of enemies, and went mostly unmolested because of her position and rank as a Green Sun Prince.&nbsp; She still holds that honorable title, in a manner -- she's left the Demon City and the Thing Infernal behind, but she has an Infernal Urge, and so long as she follows it, she remains in the good graces of She Who Lives In Her Name, if none other.<br><br>But She Who Lives In Her Name is not the only individual in the Demon City that matters.&nbsp; Madder made a mess on her way out.&nbsp; She ground a well-known and popular demon into paste and stenciled it under her skin; she brutally murdered a great swordsman in the dojo where he had trained hundreds of great warriors, other Green Sun Princes before them.&nbsp; All within her rights as a Green Sun Prince, all legal by the hypocritical laws of Cecelyne.<br><br>But revenge is legal by the laws of the Demon City, too, and Inexes, the Crawling Chaos, has a grudge out for Madder.&nbsp; Both Madder's slain mentor and her tattooed lover were subsidiary souls of this Third Circle demon; she has pruned and damaged her immensely, and she demands revenge.&nbsp; Inexes is a strange demon (as they all are); her primary form (if it can be called that) is an area of roughly a mile diameter that inflicts incredible unease and discomfort on those who exist within it -- many who spend time with Inexes find themselves beset by nightmares of worlds beyond the Wyld, the forgotten reaches beneath Zen Mu, the twisted things that dwell under Creation, forgotten and failed designs of the Primordials.&nbsp; Hers is the duty of remembering the horrors wrought by righteous hands -- and sharing them.<br><br>Fortunately for Madder, he cannot escape the hellish prison to chase after her directly.&nbsp; Unfortunately, as a Third Circle Demon, Unquestionable of the Yozi Realm, Inexes has an incredible amount of influence and resources that she is perfectly willing to direct toward bringing her to justice.<br><br><br>Her Friend, forthcoming, will be less weird and less demonic.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 10:08:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, I spoke with our Storyteller about this plot idea and notion for the manse I’m working on in the character section.&nbsp; The Manse is called the Crown of Twilight Design.&nbsp; More information on its exact details will come later as I develop the specifics, but those are not the important part for the group.&nbsp; What will be important is the type of workshop that the manse is shaping up to be.&nbsp; Currently I am looking at making the manse into an Atelier-Manse.&nbsp; <br><br>Now this is not so ground breaking I’m sure, except that the idea I had will involving the manse having been a production facility for the Chiaroscuro glass.&nbsp; This means that if we, as a group, can track down the original recipe and formula that production can begin on the glass.&nbsp; Also with some repairs the facility can be restored to an ideal workshop.&nbsp; The Storyteller mentioned this being a possible reason for the Warden to be after the city so badly, since that sort of shop would be of great value to a crafter.&nbsp; Plus if we got the facility up and working at previous production rate, we would become quite powerful and popular among our enemies.<br><br>The Storyteller wanted me to run this idea by everyone and to gain input.&nbsp; I really do think this could serve as a great catalyst for some adventures personally as we track down the formula among ghosts, demons and Gods..along with city-wide adventures as we struggle to restore the production and use the glass to repair the city and bring back its former glory.&nbsp; Any thoughts, ideas and such are welcome here.&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 12:40:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So we up for starting the prologue still?<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 12:58:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am up for the idea of the workshop which was formerly city's main supplier for it's amazing glass stuff :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 13:09:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4877293#msg4877293">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 03-07-2011, 12:40:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So we up for starting the prologue still?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I am- I think we'll feed in the others as we go along.&nbsp; I'll start something in a bit, here.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 13:12:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, and have you still stated out ifrit? Muse earlier suggested perfect charm for flight, but I leave the other charm(s) what 2 dot ifrit prince has besides the flight (he is both free ally and added 2 dots to ally background make him stronger than normal free ally).<br><br>Also still waiting bonus XP on my background as I heard we get small bonus from background :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 14:29:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4877325#msg4877325">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 03-07-2011, 13:12:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, and have you still stated out ifrit? Muse earlier suggested perfect charm for flight, but I leave the other charm(s) what 2 dot ifrit prince has besides the flight (he is both free ally and added 2 dots to ally background make him stronger than normal free ally).<br><br>Also still waiting bonus XP on my background as I heard we get small bonus from background :P.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It'll get done in a timely manner.&nbsp; Asking for it over and over won't get it done any faster.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 14:30:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4877404#msg4877404">Quote from: AlexStone on 03-07-2011, 14:29:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It'll get done in a timely manner.&nbsp; Asking for it over and over won't get it done any faster.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ok, I stop asking about it then. Wanted make sure your working on it, no ill feelings meant :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 16:09:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4877405#msg4877405">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 03-07-2011, 14:30:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, I stop asking about it then. Wanted make sure your working on it, no ill feelings meant :).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's getting done, don't worry- if you want to help speed the process along, though, feel free to suggest some more charms for the ifirit- it'll get me going in the right direction.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 16:32:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I quote Muse the one which I interest the most;<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111184.msg4840404#msg4840404">Quote from: Muse on 26-06-2011, 02:13:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Charm: Landscape travel (Fly at double ground speed.) <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Besides that if ifrit has more charms; consider he is focused melee build so I thinked it could perhaps be better in close combat and be more 'sword prince' (have charms which function like Dragon-Graced Weapon, Refining the Inner Blade, Terrestrial Melee Reinforcement). Or if he is more war general/leader type then he could have charms for that (Glowing Coal Radiance, Tireless Footfalls Cadence, First War Excellency). I am using dragon-blood charms as the base for the charm idea. But ifrit itself has lots of charms already so it should give idea what ifrit prince could be capable (perhaps use same charm wider scale; example instead one person thanking him if one village is in gratitude towards ifrit the ifrit gains extra willpower and essence as if villagers would be cult members).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 18:41:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Given that Ifrit's seem to use a slashing sword with martial arts, may I suggest Even Blade Style?&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps a bit of willpower, virtues, and ox body with the normal effects upon his health levels?&nbsp; <br><br>A level of Essence Plethora and Reserves of Will?&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps Material Tribulation Divestment and a Loom Stride effect?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 18:44:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huzzah to the story and send in the glass.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>03-07-2011, 19:12:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4878041#msg4878041">Quote from: Muse on 03-07-2011, 18:41:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Given that Ifrit's seem to use a slashing sword with martial arts, may I suggest Even Blade Style?&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps a bit of willpower, virtues, and ox body with the normal effects upon his health levels?&nbsp; <br><br>A level of Essence Plethora and Reserves of Will?&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps Material Tribulation Divestment and a Loom Stride effect? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sadly, I do not know any of those things but I trust on your judgement :). But I think it would be cool of my ifrit uses slashing sword (or red jade daiklave, assuming ifrit can commit essence to bind itself to it) as part of martial art he has practiced upon. But besides charms and powers I like he gets overall more stronger; higher stats overall and so forth.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 02:52:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Muse is a virtual textbook of Exalted.<br><br>So woohoo, we gonna start!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 04:02:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Heya!&nbsp; Alex approached me to fill the Eclipse Solar slot, so I submitted the character I've just posted in the thread.&nbsp; Let me know what you think.&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 04:21:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm just<br><br>I don't like magitech and I think characters whose defining feature is Being Hot are boring<br><br>I am starting to get the impression I am in the wrong place
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 04:27:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4880531#msg4880531">Quote from: Anansi on 04-07-2011, 04:02:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Heya!&nbsp; Alex approached me to fill the Eclipse Solar slot, so I submitted the character I've just posted in the thread.&nbsp; Let me know what you think.&nbsp; ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Awesome!&nbsp; We've got our 5th Solar!&nbsp; Okay, now to just settle in and finish up my char...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 04:29:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, no worries, Meikle.&nbsp; I've played her before and I think there's more to her than just being hot, but if you and the rest are of the opinion that she's boring, I have another Eclipse diplomat sort.&nbsp; He's a Guild Merchant Prince, so his storyline would have to be rewritten somewhat, but he's quite a bit different.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 04:53:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anansi, question about your char - you listed yourself as having the 1st Excellency for Martial Arts, when you picked up the 2nd for the other Excellencies you have...is there a specific reason for that?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:01:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that's because of mote efficiency concerns in combat, personally.&nbsp; The 1st excellency is better in that regard, and it has the possibility of getting 2 successes on a 10.&nbsp; For social stuff, you're not so worried about getting your head cut off if you lack motes, so it's better to go for reliability with the 2nd excellency.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:11:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Really?&nbsp; I was always under the impression that the 2nd excellency was better in terms of consistency.&nbsp; Exalted d10s succeed on a 7 or higher - that's a 40% chance of a success per die.&nbsp; The 1st for Solars adds 1 die/mote, and the 2nd is 1 success/2 motes.&nbsp; So, for the equivalent amount of Essence, you would either roll 2 die or get 1 success.&nbsp; Since each die has a 40% chance of success, that means overall you have an 80% chance of getting a success on the 1st.<br><br>Then again, I'm not playing a Solar, and my Exalt type do successes differently from Solars...doesn't 1 success gained through the 2nd on a Solar count as 2 die toward the Charm limit on dice?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:16:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				a d10 is a 50% chance of success for Exalted characters on average, because they get 2 successes on a roll of 10.&nbsp; on average, 2 dice = 1 success.&nbsp; You can't ignore doubling successes when calculating that average -- and Combat benefits more than anything from doubling successes.<br><br>having to spend 10 motes for 5 automatic successes is not as desirable in combat as spending 5 motes for 0-10 successes because if you run out of motes you die and 10 motes is a lot of motes.<br><br>if you know your target number is going to be, like, 1, sure, spending the 2m for the automatic success is easier.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:17:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Err...I also agree that the 2nd excellency is better for consistent results.&nbsp; The 1st excellency just lets you conserve motes, and gives the possibility of two successes on a 10.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:27:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here's this: http://anydice.com/program/8de (http://anydice.com/program/8de)<br><br>On 1 die, yeah, you're only going to get a 40% chance at 1 success, but then, that's half the price of the 2nd excellency.<br><br>On 2 dice, 63% or so of getting at least 1 success, which includes the 7% chance of getting 3 or 4 successes.&nbsp; The second excellency eliminates the 37% chance of not getting any successes as well as the 28% chance of scoring 2-4 successes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:39:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4880838#msg4880838">Quote from: meikle on 04-07-2011, 05:27:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Here's this: http://anydice.com/program/8de (http://anydice.com/program/8de)<br><br>On 2 dice, 63% or so of getting at least 1 success, which includes the 7% chance of getting 3 or 4 successes.&nbsp; The second excellency eliminates the 37% chance of not getting any successes as well as the 28% chance of scoring 2-4 successes.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Okay, so the 1st gives you a 63% chance or getting at least 1 success on the die.&nbsp; That's still an (about) 1 in 3 chance that rolling those extra dice won't do anything.<br><br>And just for numbers, what happens if we increase it to say, 4 dice?&nbsp; Or the amount needed for 2 successes?<br><br><br>EDIT: So, on a similar note, what is good to buy the 1st and the 2nd for?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:43:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I buy the 1st for combat skills, the 2nd for most other skills, and the 3rd for a few like Dodge, Integrity, and Athletics.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:45:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				13% chance for no successes, 87% chance from 1-8.&nbsp; 54% for at least 1 successes, 33% for 3+.<br><br>the 1st excellency is never going to be more reliable than the 2nd.&nbsp; it's always going to have a greater opportunity for bigger rewards, which can matter a lot in combat.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:47:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So noted.<br><br>So, Meikle, you would personally say that it's probably better to buy the 1st for combat skills, but save the 2nd for things like...Bureaucracy?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:49:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would, uh, never buy an excellency for Bureaucracy because I can't actually come up with any situations where anyone ever rolls it.<br><br>I only take the 2nd Excellency for rolls that I know I will make a) not under pressure or b) will know for certain the target number (and that number will be low).<br><br>b) becomes a non-issue if I have a decent dice pool.<br><br>But I prefer to play to Infernals, and so this is not an issue.&nbsp; I just take Act This Way Excellency.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 05:55:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just used Bureaucracy because it was the first non-Combat skill I had thought of.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 12:04:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whoot!&nbsp; We have a beurocrat!&nbsp; The nation will not go bankrupt!&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 12:31:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				One of my main concerns really is how this group will handle a city.&nbsp; The game is not supposed to be focused on our individual capabilities in say combat, but rather on our ability to harness the city and prepare defenses against our enemies.&nbsp; Really I'm not seeing a lot of abilities devoted to repelling armies and securing alliances and ensuring mercantile success here.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 12:54:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, Madder has her Prohibition Index going which, given time, will unify all of the people of Chiaroscuro (and oust everyone who refuses), barring some supernatural interference.<br><br>I'm also intending to pick up a few dots of the Spies background, probably representing underworld contacts in Chiaroscuro (as in the criminals, not ghosts) and Yozi Cultists elsewhere.&nbsp; Useful for intelligence gathering stuff, I guess.&nbsp; If they ever have to interrogate somebody, she'll be excellent at that. :p<br><br>She has a lot more magic caught up in defenses than I'd like, but the nature of Infernal defenses is that unless I want to run all of the time, I need to have lots of options.&nbsp; Also, surrounded by Solars, so I can't just rely on the ED one.&nbsp; Frustrating, but life.<br><br>Madder can also pretty casually summon demons, so that's cool.&nbsp; No time investment is the best thing.&nbsp; I'm sure she'll have a couple of demons bound to doing things in the city at any given time.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 13:03:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Applauds!*&nbsp; <br><br>Now we're talking.&nbsp; <br><br>I've been working towards the War training charms but couldn't quite make it yet.&nbsp; Zaer, your girl's summoning spell could be a great aid in increasing Chiaoscuro's infrastructure, as might be new spells she learns in the future.&nbsp; <br><br>If you insist on using demons instead of elemental, things will turn out a little bit creepier, but they're still effective.&nbsp; Hopefully Gears will manage the Lore training charms when she spends her Experience.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<br><br>Yeah, that's going to be a problem, Meikle.&nbsp; Some of us like the Delzhan the way they are.&nbsp; *Sweat drop*&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 13:15:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Delzahn are conquerors and self-involved.&nbsp; They can support the New Way, or they can go.<br><br>You'll see.&nbsp; It's better this way.&nbsp; The Delzahn can join the collective.<br><br>Besides.&nbsp; It's already done.&nbsp; There's no stopping it now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 13:45:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Clunks head*&nbsp; <br><br>*rubs temples*&nbsp; <br><br>Okay, seriously people.&nbsp; Is the rest of the Circle, upon seeing the personality leached out of the city, going to allow this too continue?&nbsp; Or would I rally the surviving Delzhan and ride back into the desert?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 13:46:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				:: pipes breaks over head and douses Muse in water::<br><br>Eeeep!&nbsp; We're getting the plumbing fixed!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:01:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, true that I myself do not have much skills to organize nor have army....but long way even single demon is better shock trooper than 100 mortals (assume basic military training). But she is good in social skills and has high appearance score so she can talk people down just being friendly and she has wings of the raptor; so she can travel. Also droning suggestion allows talk down mortals so she can make herself a diplomat somesort who just happens to have demon retinue and also ifrit prince.<br><br>Also note her ally himself has lots of followers and influence in south. So if she herself is influential....her ally is.<br><br>But I would suggest the group's dawn spend for Command background to have a actual army tough under his command. Also get war excelency and 4 dots in war skill should make him good enough general until he learns more war charms. Also true that my char can become more useful once we get XP and also chance to study more sorcerer spells. And meikle's char can wreak havoc once she reaches celestial circle level sorcery.<br><br>Also if our dawn with Delzan would invest to War charms he could ensure that none his men are affected by weird magic over the city :P. Or that if theyare affected their basic nature is not affected but they get some additional habbits.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:08:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I took followers too three and influence too five, Zaer.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; <br><br>I'm trying too get a better understanding of Prohibition Index right now but I can't find where it's listed.&nbsp; (Not under She Who Lives In Her Name's charms.)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:15:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But if you would take Command, it would provide both superior followers and greater number. I recall three gave you already thousand soldiers (or five hundred?).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:16:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's an Ink Monkeys Charm (it was written by the present cast of Exalted freelancers, vetted by the line developer, and posted to a White-Wolf blog that is presently down because of their software update.)<br><br>Here is the text of it: http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms:Chirality_Prohibition_Index (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Charms:Chirality_Prohibition_Index)<br><br>Madder will almost certainly never learn out-and-out destructive magic, as far as Sorcery goes.&nbsp; Too expensive.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:17:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't think Solars can take Command.&nbsp; At least that isn't listed in the main book for them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:21:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Blinks*&nbsp; <br><br>A.&nbsp; I'm probably showing my ignorance pertaining to Infernals here, but is that a Charm or a Spell?&nbsp; (*I wager clicking on the Sorcerous keyworkd would tell me a lot.)&nbsp; <br><br>B.&nbsp; So we're not using Merits and Flaws but we are using Ink Monkeys?&nbsp; Okay...&nbsp; *blinks*&nbsp; <br><br>Let me keep looking this over.&nbsp; I'm out of my comfort zone right now.&nbsp; *Sweat drop*&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:23:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, ST said Command is suitable only for dawn caste in this game so that's why I am advicing Muse to use it. I checked it; Command 3 gives 125 soldiers (so 25 more than followers, but specific point is that these guys are more pro than usual followers for combat).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:26:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4882058#msg4882058">Quote from: Muse on 04-07-2011, 14:21:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A.&nbsp; I'm probably showing my ignorance pertaining to Infernals here, but is that a Charm or a Spell?&nbsp; (*I wager clicking on the Sorcerous keyworkd would tell me a lot.)&nbsp; <br><br>B.&nbsp; So we're not using Merits and Flaws but we are using Ink Monkeys?&nbsp; Okay...&nbsp; *blinks*&nbsp; <br><br>Let me keep looking this over.&nbsp; I'm out of my comfort zone right now.&nbsp; *Sweat drop* <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Infernals use Primordial power; Sorcerous Charms are innate Charms that have lasting effects but don't require a commitment of Essence (and can usually be dispelled like other Sorceries, though Prohibition Index can't be dispelled once it gets going.)<br><br>Merits and Flaws were <em>not</em> written by the cast of people who understand the Exalted mechanics as well as the Ink Monkeys writers do.&nbsp; (And even some of their stuff is pretty awful -- like Lightspeed Body Dynamics, which I'd also argue against using, because it's one of those things that becomes 100% mandatory if it's used in the game.)&nbsp; For the most part, though, their Charms are pretty on the level.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:34:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4882061#msg4882061">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 04-07-2011, 14:23:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, ST said Command is suitable only for dawn caste in this game so that's why I am advicing Muse to use it. I checked it; Command 3 gives 125 soldiers (so 25 more than followers, but specific point is that these guys are more pro than usual followers for combat).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh, wow!&nbsp; He did?&nbsp; I missed that, awesome!&nbsp; :D&nbsp; Thank you for catching that, Zaer.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 14:42:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4882077#msg4882077">Quote from: Muse on 04-07-2011, 14:34:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh, wow!&nbsp; He did?&nbsp; I missed that, awesome!&nbsp; :D&nbsp; Thank you for catching that, Zaer. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No probs, it came out when I asked could I use Command instead followers but ST said followers suit better for ex-dynast and command is mostly for Dawn casted general type.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>HairyHeretic</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 16:50:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm a little bit on the swamped side at the moment, and I don't see it improving before at least the end of the week. If the GM has someone who wants to step in as a Night, I'll bow out and they can take my spot. I'd rather not see the game held up just because I'm short on time.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 17:40:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, I had been PM'ed about asking why I am summoning demons over summoning elementals. Summoning a demon is quite basic thing for sorcerers and it is one well known taught subject in The Hepthagram. But what would be perks/cons over summoning elemental minions compared to demons (besides basics that summoning elemental is cheaper and you can do it any time). I thought demons are better in combat situations and overall other situations as well...right?<br><br>If the two summons are egual tough in minion quality then for sake of variety my sorceress could know that spell instead demon summoning (as infernal does the job much better than I).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:10:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's hard to say 'demons are better than elementals' because there are so many different kinds of demons and elementals.&nbsp; If I summon a Sobeksis and you summon an angyalka, the Sobeksis is going to come out ahead in the fight, on account of being an eight foot tall crocodile-monster.<br><br>The differences, though are this:<br><br>Elementals are easier to summon and to bind; they are also easier to banish.<br>Elementals play a part in the heavenly bureaucracy, and are protected by Heaven.&nbsp; You can't abuse them without pissing off the gods.<br>Elemental summons are shorter: one month (28 days) vs a year and a day (426 days) when bound into servitude, and a year and a day (426 days) vs 'as long as it takes' when bound to a task<br>Powerful elementals can refuse summons entirely, sending servants in their place<br><br>Demons tend to have specific purposes whereas elementals tend to be weird and just kind of pop up and do their own thing, so it can be easier to find the right kind of demon for a given task than an elemental (considering that lots of demon breeds were developed specifically to fill some sort of function, while elementals just sort of pop up on their own).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:27:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, above reasons are reasons why I would prefer use demons. Specifically that I can use demons as cannonfobber to eat charm attacks as dragon-bloods lack perfect defense charms. Some elementals are amazing like Ifrit but problem is that they serve only short time and also can outright refuse to come and send (poor) substitute to serve instead.<br><br>While with demons when you summon you get exactly what you want so long bind process is succesful. If I want brute physical limb ripping front line battle crazed warrior, blood ape serves that purpose perfectly.<br><br>So I wonder why I am suggested summon elementals again? As said some elementals are good but they are so damn pain in ass otherwise. Example in Sobekis when you summon it you need actually persuade it to help you with heart touching poetry top what you needed summon it :P. Also if they are too long from their domain they suffer/die and that can upset both gods and also community which worshipped that Sobeki for good river seasons.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:32:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, if yuo're going to read it that way, Zaer, you need too feed a Neomah a pound of your flesh in return for her service.&nbsp; <br><br>I'm pretty sure that refers too what you do if you summon the demon or elemental through thaumaturgy or prayer.&nbsp; <br><br>I suggested it too you primarily so that you could have a distinctive niche.&nbsp; I'm perfectly happy having that niche myself through my alliance with the Court of Orderly Flame.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:34:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You're a Terrestrial; you'll never be able to summon the more powerful demons.<br><br>You can at least <em>try</em> to summon more powerful elementals. :p<br><br>Or do both!<br><br>In the end, though, there's more to Exalted than just picking the best option for RAW POWER every time.&nbsp; /shrug.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:49:18</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4882731#msg4882731">Quote from: meikle on 04-07-2011, 18:34:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You're a Terrestrial; you'll never be able to summon the more powerful demons.<br><br>You can at least <em>try</em> to summon more powerful elementals. :p<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hmmm, that actually has a point. Also Muse said this;<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=16">Quote from: Muse on 04-07-2011, 18:27:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><em>Well, I was told that demons are overall better for combat purposes than elementals</em><br><br>*Smiles*&nbsp; Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.&nbsp; Unelss, of course, you want disposable cannon fodder too feed into a meat grinder, or demons of the second or third circle.&nbsp; <br><br>Here's some reasons too summon elementals over demons.&nbsp; <br><br>Summoning Rate:&nbsp; <br>--1 demon can be summoned every night.&nbsp; <br>--The ritual requires the entire night.&nbsp; <br>--The demon will summon in general for a year, or serve a specific task indefinantly, but if you're summoning them for something as urbane as combat, then they won't last that long.&nbsp; <br>--You're in a party with a rogue Infernal, who can bypass the normal ritual an summon demons instantly.&nbsp; <br><br>Elementals:&nbsp; <br>--Three hour summoning rituals not linked to any specific times of day allow multiple sumonings in one day, according to your willpower.&nbsp; <br>--The elemental can be called to general service for a month, or to a specific task for up to a year.&nbsp; However, because Eleemntals are natives of Creation, some of them are easy to get along with.&nbsp; These can be negotiated with instead of bound.&nbsp; Services can be exchanged instead of compelled.&nbsp; Elementals may flock to sign on for a war in order to benefit from the preparatory training charms, for example.&nbsp; <br>--Elementals can assist in the spell Ritual of Elemental Empowerment.&nbsp; <br>--Some elementals are on speaking terms with Yuu Shan.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<br><br>Now, most people think too raise an army of demons you summon blood apes.&nbsp; This is unwise as Blood Apes have no War rating and are all but helpless in large scale battles.&nbsp; <br><br>There are, or course, demons with war ratings, demons who double as armor, and demons who craft things of ugly green glass.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<br><br>Now try Elementals.&nbsp; <br><br>Say you want Elemental shock troops whom you won't care too much if they die, but who will joy in battle against a terible foe.&nbsp; These are Thunderbirds.&nbsp; They are violent and brutish, powerful, winged, and wield blue jade war clubs.&nbsp; <br><br>Or if you prefer more sophisticated combat companions, summon a wing of flame ducks and negotiate for a small, willing mercinary army.&nbsp; Each of these small, comely green girls is a powerful warior in her own right, but it takes but 5 of them too give you a Magnitude 2, Might 3 mass combat unit.&nbsp; <br><br>Or say you want something more heavy hitting, but not airborn?&nbsp; Earth elementals called Jokun can dish it out and take a good hit too.&nbsp; <br><br>Elementals can craft.&nbsp; Elementals can heal.&nbsp; Elementals can serve as mounts on land, air and sea.&nbsp; <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So, if above are true then I could change my sorcery spell for summon elemental. Also if my ally is ifrit prince then I likely get bonus to summon ifrit if he is present in the 'negotiations'. Ifrit make quite good charismatic combat leaders/generals. Also I know Jokun; in former incarnation of this char I had summon elementals and I was recommended them as they are indeed quite tough. Only requirement was to be overall honorable (same to ifrit).<br><br>Also what I understand some elementals can even stay after duration of summon is over, becoming allies if my char can talk them join the cause personally (instead just act as summoned minion). Also having Destiny in 5 ranks I <em>may</em> have a chance call some major elemental lords :P. Which then start to be quite scary lot.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:51:10</strong>
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				Binding spirits are <em>not</em> negotiations.<br><br>It's you enforcing your will directly over theirs.&nbsp; It's slavery, straight up, not deal-making.<br><br>I think it's hilarious that our dragonblood is the player most intensely concerned about powergaming.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:54:13</strong>
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				But is not summon elemental a different spell in sense that it does not warp the nature of the elemental completely like it is done with demons? Only what is done with summon elemental is through contest of will to subdue elemental to the ancient contract what heaven has told to elementals; which is to serve exalts. But this case servitude is done by recognizing the person is worthy of the contract. With case of demons it is more 'raw' is it not?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 18:58:59</strong>
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				You can call describe it however you like.&nbsp; There's a reason it's a Willpower+Essence rolloff -- it has nothing to do with your ability to convince anyone of anything, and everything to do with your ability to force them to your will.&nbsp; It's the exact same thing as binding a demon.<br><br>Slavery, not deal-making.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 19:14:27</strong>
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				Then why gods then told elementals follow what exalts command them to do despite it is willpower+essence contest :P. Also why elementals are more willy lot compared to demons? Also I got look that you can command demon to do kamikaze action while actually summoned elemental can refuse or resist said command (besides heaven getting angry for abusing elemental). Also in jokun it mentions specifically it asks <em>lot of convincing</em> to ask them to get their feet off the ground. Also both ifrit and jokun has part that if person who summons them is dishonorable or not 'worthy' they refuse serve them (despite summon succeed) or they will be upset or something.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 19:20:17</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Elemental natures can interfere with bindings, yes; it's discussed the Roll of Glorious Divinity.&nbsp; It comes down to, Heaven and the Exalted were on the same side; the Exalted and Malfeas were not.&nbsp; So when the time came to make the deals that were made, Heaven got something equitable, and Hell got the 'and if you don't agree to our terms, we'll kill you' deal.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 19:30:47</strong>
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				Let's clarify about Abscic Binding.&nbsp; <br><br>When you summon (be it a demon or an elemental) there is a point before the test of wills when you can offer the summoned being a chance to serve you voluntarily (or even release it then and there, making the summoning a simple 'teleport demon/elemental effect).&nbsp; <br><br>A neomah might stay with you indefinatly and willingly in return for devouring a pound of your flesh, or you could crush her will and bend her personality into the shape of your slave.&nbsp; <br><br>Likewise, a gem lord's servant (Such as a Jokun) might willingly perform a task for riches to return to his gem lord. Or that Jokun could have his will crushed and molded into the form of a bound Sentinel.&nbsp; <br><br>Whatever you bind, there is something about their nature that can trigger their latent personaltiy, rather like Exalted limit, and might eventualy cause them too break out.&nbsp; Or their service might elapse before then.&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-07-2011, 19:55:05</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahaa, I see. Well my char would try convince elemental work for willingly if possible for the cause that case. Not a real option for demons as they can be quite alien and unpredictable lot.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 04:49:39</strong>
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				Well, if we have time for this, we have time for some IC stuff.&nbsp; I've started the prologue thread, which is framed as a history of the founding of your Kingdom in Chiaroscuro- try to keep it sounding a bit like a history text, to keep the theme going.&nbsp; It's not a real RP thread, but is designed to give us all a story going forward.&nbsp; The RP starts when we finish this up.&nbsp; <br><br>I know people don't have quite everything done character-wise, and that's fine.&nbsp; You can keep working on that, and add in or change things as we go through this thread.&nbsp; Nothing's really written in stone until we're done here.&nbsp; Story-wise, there's a full circle of Abyssals in the Warden's control, but I've only named three so far, leaving the others and their basic roles open.&nbsp; Feel free to use the Abyssals as you see fit- again, this isn't an RP, so they're not under ST control.&nbsp; Just, you know, don't bump 'em off and call it done.&nbsp; Make it awesome.&nbsp; (Awesome= more XP, if you need an incentive.)<br><br>IC Thread here: http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=112389.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=112389.0)<br>OCC Thread:http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=112390.0<br><br>Questions?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 04:51:00</strong>
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				Also, I know some people aren't quite around right this second- either they're still working on their basic character concept or are just busy.&nbsp; Not a problem- just jump into the thread when you get a chance.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 06:04:04</strong>
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				Can I get some help in finding an image for my character?&nbsp; He's all set and ready, I just need a good Exalted-appropriate source for character pics.&nbsp; I'd use the booru's, but they'd be hit or miss...
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 06:18:19</strong>
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				It might be hard to help you with finding a picture for your character considering that you have told us absolutely nothing about what you're playing.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 06:23:24</strong>
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				Alright.&nbsp; Well, the character is essentially done aside from the pic, so...I'm playing a Sidereal Chosen of Secrets, a Gold Faction detective who has been sent to Chiaroscuro to help the Solars, derail the Realm/Bronze Faction, and run general interference in Heaven for the returning Lawgivers.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 08:45:58</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp; I confess I'm still extremely concerned with our citizens being assimilated in totality into personality-less devotees of the first church of Madder.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; First and foremost, I don't like that level of party conflict.&nbsp; I appreciate Miekle's company and don't like a situation where our charecters may well get into a fight to the death.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; There's also the general grumble that I signed up for a solar game.&nbsp; If this is everyone elses idea of how epic heroes lead their nations, please just speak up now and I'll bow out so you can get a like minded tyrant to lead your nation.&nbsp; &nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 09:06:35</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=112389.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=112389.0)<br><br>Friend, I offer you water and shade.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; <br><br>Please, join me if you're ready.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 09:07:33</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I do agree to extent that IC wise my char would not like citizens turned non-personality having devoted cultists. But consider ST itself decided allow multiple exalt types (abyssal, solars, sidereal and infernal), meikle choose create char based on around using this charm.<br><br>I myself can adjust and live with the charm altough in background she may try talk meikle's char out from it using it as long term solution (I take it as RP challenge change her opinion about using the charm). But if this is that disturbing could meikle perhaps apply it for her personal domain elsewhere from Chiaroscuro (consider radius of her charm; <em>very</em> far away).<br><br>Also as note; If muse leaves it leaves us with empty dawn caste slot and also mean we lack any consistent 'general' type and also lack a army. meikle of course has control of the populace but army made from commoners will end quite badly against trained legions of Dynast houses. Even if said commoner army is backed up by demons/elementals.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 09:53:13</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4885900#msg4885900">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 05-07-2011, 06:23:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Alright.&nbsp; Well, the character is essentially done aside from the pic, so...I'm playing a Sidereal Chosen of Secrets, a Gold Faction detective who has been sent to Chiaroscuro to help the Solars, derail the Realm/Bronze Faction, and run general interference in Heaven for the returning Lawgivers.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ok, google is your friend really but here are some pics what I found;<br><br>http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18700000/Shunsui-Ky-raku-bleach-anime-18745419-1392-2024.jpg (http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18700000/Shunsui-Ky-raku-bleach-anime-18745419-1392-2024.jpg)<br><br>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100210155439/dynastywarriors/images/thumb/b/b5/Kanetsugu-sw3-art.jpg/200px-Kanetsugu-sw3-art.jpg (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100210155439/dynastywarriors/images/thumb/b/b5/Kanetsugu-sw3-art.jpg/200px-Kanetsugu-sw3-art.jpg)<br><br>http://seventh-legion.net/images/thumb/8/81/Starfall.jpg/450px-Starfall.jpg (http://seventh-legion.net/images/thumb/8/81/Starfall.jpg/450px-Starfall.jpg)<br><br>&nbsp;
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 10:43:32</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				The people will be focused and unified.&nbsp; They'll wear matching uniforms and share a religion.<br><br>Chirality Prohibition Index does not remove their free will or personality.<br><br><br>I posted my character up pieces at a time, I explained all of the stuff she was going to do, its mechanical effects, and what it would look like in character, and I did it all publicly and piecemeal so that the other players could put their input in <em>as I did it</em>.<br><br>Similarly, "I put myself in for a Solars game!" is kind of a lame way to go; I asked what people thought long before I made the character about making an Infernal, and if anyone had a problem with it, it was certainly a complaint that went primarily unaired.&nbsp; Nobody seems to have an issue about having a Dragon-Blood or Sidereal running around, though, so "This game isn't all Solars!" isn't the real issue, I imagine.<br><br>So, is nobody else going to use social magic?&nbsp; Is it the black and white uniforms that are offensive?&nbsp; Because come on, guys, <em>using magic to make utopian societies is basically the most Solar thing anyone can possibly do</em>.&nbsp; The Prefect's magic?&nbsp; Solar utopia.&nbsp; The Sand People?&nbsp; Slaves for a Solar utopia.&nbsp; Solar utopias <em>every damn place</em>.<br><br>And the hilarious thing about calling Madder a tyrant is that she's in a position to never have to raise a hand in violence to convert people to her way of thinking.&nbsp; She provides a place where people are friendlier and more comfortable, enjoy a better standard of living through communal support, and get to live peacefully and safely.&nbsp; But I guess she expects people to wear uniforms, so it is Not Acceptable.&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 11:03:55</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I kind of see the tension as a good thing that could lead to further character development.&nbsp; The tension between the two being an interesting mark that may lead to further cultural development.&nbsp; Perhaps our Dawn leads his beloved people out of the city, viewing them as weak and servants.&nbsp; He remains on the outskirts to defend the city, owing a debt to the people there or at least the rulers.&nbsp; Perhaps committing to the capture of other cities, but keeping to their nomadic roots?<br><br>I can't imagine this Index extends for all eternity.&nbsp; Certainly there is a limit to its power and some eventual stopping of its influence.&nbsp; Maybe he just agrees to turn the city over to Madder.&nbsp; Perhaps a tense alliance forms between the two where he leaves her that city and port.&nbsp; There are a lot of future story options and debates for the characters.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 11:59:06</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				The specific reason I didn't speak up sooner was that I did.&nbsp; <br><br>I asked if it was pulling the rest of the city down.&nbsp; <br><br>I asked if it was spreading up too the rest of the city.&nbsp; <br><br>*Sighes*&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 12:25:42</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				And I explained that it does spread.&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; It spreads until it has influenced everyone in a given area, and then its borders expand for a mile until it's changed the people who live there, etc, presumably until it runs out of people to expand its borders.<br><br>I'm not going to rewrite my character after having settled her on this like a week ago because you've decided your character wants to pick fights over how things are run.<br><br>I am willing -- just like I said I was when I posted my intention to use Chirality Prohibition Index -- willing to discuss how that is going to be formatted and what the effects are.&nbsp; "If you don't play something else I'm going to leave" is not going to sway me and is just going to make me roll my eyes <em>so hard</em> -- especially because I've been dying to have input from other people this whole time and nobody has really bothered to give any\.<br><br>Everyone wants to do chargen solo and then finds conflict they weren't expecting?&nbsp; I can't help that.&nbsp; I wanted group input the whole time.<br><br>One thing Madder's not going to budge on, though, is "giving some group of people special privilege because of their family name", so take it as you will.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 13:06:54</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<br>I am also extremely bothered that no one else spoke up no matter how I gauged.&nbsp; However, my problem was:&nbsp; <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4886627#msg4886627">Quote from: meikle on 05-07-2011, 12:25:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I am willing -- just like I said I was when I posted my intention to use Chirality Prohibition Index -- willing to discuss how that is going to be formatted and what the effects are.&nbsp; "If you don't play something else I'm going to leave" is not going to sway me and is just going to make me roll my eyes <em>so hard</em> -- especially because I've been dying to have input from other people this whole time and nobody has really bothered to give any\.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That wasn't what you said.&nbsp; <br><br>You said:&nbsp; <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4881938#msg4881938">Quote from: meikle on 04-07-2011, 13:15:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Delzahn are conquerors and self-involved.&nbsp; They can support the New Way, or they can go.<br><br>You'll see.&nbsp; It's better this way.&nbsp; The Delzahn can join the collective.<br><br>Besides.&nbsp; It's already done.&nbsp; There's no stopping it now.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So, yes, I was quite disturbed by the ultimates being issued.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; *&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<br><br>Introduce a new way of life to a group of 10,000 people and see how it works out.&nbsp; I applaud you.&nbsp; My character will stand by and support you.&nbsp; <br><br>Mind wipe the cultural identity from not one but multiple entire cultures?&nbsp; <br><br>That's a kind of genocide.&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 13:20:47</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				You're putting in something that's not there.<br><br>Say you're an American.&nbsp; You meet, say, a Mexican.&nbsp; You see their Day of the Dead celebration, and it's awesome, so you look into it.&nbsp; The more you look into it, the more awesome it seems.&nbsp; <br><br>CPI gives a magical push that takes you from "This is awesome," into "I want to be a part of this."<br><br>You can choose to ignore that; just like any UMI, you can choose to spend Willpower to resist it.&nbsp; It's just that this culture happens to be a bit xenophobic and if you don't want to get along, they'll tell you to move.<br><br>They're still Chiaroscuran, and societies grow and evolve on their own.&nbsp; This is just a directed change.&nbsp; They're still the same people with the same background and social mores; they just have new ones to deal with, as well.<br><br>The idea that Madder is wiping people's brains out and replacing them wholesale is something you made up on your own.&nbsp; There are SHWLIHN Charms that do just that; Madder does not have them.<br><br><br><br>Yes, my stance is, if you're going to say "Do things my way," and not come up with any reasonable compromise, then I'm going to say, "No, I'm doing things my way."
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 13:28:15</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I beg your pardon, but there's some problems with that statement.&nbsp; <br><br>First and foremost, those who wish to retain their culture, gender, and religion are forced too leave their homes and are therefore unable to participate in the mutual defense of Chiaoscuro.&nbsp; <br><br>In this fashion you are not only forcing the Cult of Miekle on the city at large, but on our followers as well.&nbsp; <br><br>Now, I'm glad too hear the suggestion that you are in fact interested in the idea of reasonable compromise.&nbsp; I was very disturbed when you weren't.&nbsp; <br><br>Be back soon.&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 13:48:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(Mutters something about pushing the wrong button on his last post)<br><br>I suppose I need to step in here.&nbsp; Pumpkinseeds is fundamentally right here- there's a great story to tell here- there's certainly something in Chiaroscuro's geomancy, and meilke pointed out, that can limit this sort of thing.&nbsp; If the Khan doesn't like CPI, he can find ways of slowing and stopping its progress.&nbsp; Madder may or may not care.&nbsp; This is the sort of thing Celestials do all the time.&nbsp; I'm sure that, as reasonable adults here, we can find a way to make this into a neat little story, rather than arguing amongst ourselves about these things.<br><br>I'm about to hop on a transatlantic flight here, so I'll be a bit out of contact for a while.&nbsp; I'm sure you guys can come up with a good, basic story arc- or at least an agreeable end point.<br><br>If you guys want to argue about the morality of such charms, well, that's all well and good.&nbsp; Just agree to disagree and don't get personal about it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 13:50:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There's nothing wrong with that statement.<br><br>If we're going to come to a compromise, it's not going to be "Muse like the Delzahn so Chiaroscuro is off-limits."<br><br>I am playing a character who finds the concept of nobility offensive.&nbsp; I am also playing a native of Chiaroscuro who knows exactly how ugly the culture can be; it is her own culture that she is changing.&nbsp; You can call it whatever you like OOC -- IC, she is someone who is doing what she believes is best for her own people.<br><br><br>I'm not sure who 'our followers' are; I have a Cult, and you have Influence, and nobody, as far as I'm aware, actually claims the people of Chiaroscuro as Followers.&nbsp; I certainly hope that you didn't take 5 dots in Influence and expect that to mean that you get to decide everything that happens in Chiaroscuro forever (or that it makes everyone in Chiaroscuro somehow fall under your character's domain), because that runs pretty contrary to the opening layout of a nation lead by Exalts -- you know, by turning it into a nation lead by <em>an</em> Exalt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:17:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Shakes head*&nbsp; <br><br>When did I become the person who's not willing to compromise here, Miekle?&nbsp; <br><br>Let's try this again:&nbsp; <br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4886686#msg4886686">Quote from: Muse on 05-07-2011, 13:28:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Introduce a new way of life to a group of 10,000 people and see how it works out.&nbsp; I applaud you.&nbsp; My character will stand by and support you.&nbsp; <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:23:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Didn't you go on to say my methods were genocide?<br><br>Endless.&nbsp; Rage.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:33:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, guys.&nbsp; A compromise is obviously in desperate need here.&nbsp; <br><br>For the sake of simplicity.&nbsp; Just state as a final thing, your ideal goal here.&nbsp; As in what you would like to see happen in regard to this topic.&nbsp; From there we can progress toward a compromise.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:39:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp; I confess I've been stalling for time while I look for my south book.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; I'm not familiar with Chiaoscuro's "undercity", but the general idea of taking a district or two of the city--preferably ones that would benefit most form aggressive proselyziation --and asking Madder too do so without expanding beyond those limits is something I'd be quite in favor of.&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; When i was still trying to figure everything out, including what I and others were playing, I thought Madder was taking this "Undercity" and nothing else.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:44:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What if we said that the geomancy and structure of the Old City prevented the spread of the Index.&nbsp; Therefore once the nature of this charm is discovered, your character could move his people there?&nbsp; This would prevent the unnatural influence from affecting them unless they chose to live outside the city.&nbsp; In a sense this would make the city center a place for the warriors under your character's command and they would also enjoy a higher style of living as the essence technology is repaired.&nbsp; This would also allow a large portion of the city, Undercity and the New City to be under Madder's control through this charm.&nbsp; In this way she can ensure public order for the ports, trade and most of our actual productive areas ?<br><br>In the game we can have disputes about leadership styles and such.&nbsp; Perhaps in the future if we wanted some character on character tension we can talk about Madder wanting to spread to the Old City or Muse's character wanting more of the city.&nbsp; That could lead to a more expansionist mentality later.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 14:51:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*smiles*&nbsp; <br><br>Both ideas i'm open too.&nbsp; <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:02:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Pumpkin Seeds calmed me a bit.&nbsp; I guess.&nbsp; I'm still not very happy.<br><br>I did write up a character who is a rebel.&nbsp; She does not like the Delzahn, and it is her goal to remove them from power -- not to eliminate them, but to integrate them, the way she means to integrate everything into a single communal whole that functions as one.&nbsp; Her problem with the Delzahn is that they have set themselves and apart from others: there is no benefit to that.<br><br>I can agree that CPI should not be a way to just undermine the entire city, because that's not boring, it's too easy, etc -- but it's also boring to say, I'm on this side, you're on that side, and segregate those things off entirely.&nbsp; Our characters have a mutual interest -- the good of Chiaroscuro and its people (hopefully), but that probably shouldn't mean there ought not be the conflict between their approaches.<br><br>Also, I probably came into this whole thing livid over seeing Zaer's suggestion that my character <em>just ought to leave</em>.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Introduce a new way of life to a group of 10,000 people and see how it works out.&nbsp; I applaud you.&nbsp; My character will stand by and support you.&nbsp; </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Madder is not a Solar.&nbsp; She doesn't get access to the Solar Socialize Charms that let you implant a single idea and let it spread by word of mouth; she gets things like this instead, that force strange and somewhat alien changes on people and the world, and uses that toward her own ends.<br><br>She is just using the tools that are available to her, the same as anyone else does.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:07:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think the segregation is best seen as a temporary fix, a way to give the both of you footing to lead to further tension and negotiation on the fate of the city.&nbsp; Muse will have the Old City along with the bulk of our military might under his command, which means he cannot simply be ignored for his position.&nbsp; At the same time Madder will control a lot of the actual city along with the major areas needed for the city to function.&nbsp; This means that Muse’s character has to acknowledge her power.&nbsp; <br><br>This is the source for great tension.&nbsp; Each looking to undermine the other, to impose their idea of what is best for the city on the other through more conventional methods.&nbsp; Muse can’t just rush in and use the military on Madder, because he would essentially destroy the city in doing so.&nbsp; Madder can’t just use CPI to take over everything because the Old City is a safe haven for Muse’s military force.&nbsp; So there is footing for the both of you to push and tug against each other.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:16:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*applause!*&nbsp; <br><br>Brilliant.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; <br><br>(I'm glad your back, Miekle, you put a lot of great work into Mader.)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:19:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is it time to talk briefly about how our charecters met in the first place?&nbsp; :)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:34:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Violently.<br><br>There may have been laser swords involved; it's all a blur.<br><br>(I'm going to try to sleep.&nbsp; Hooray for being nocturnal.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 15:38:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*chuckles*&nbsp; I'llb e doing the same soon.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 16:32:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm still not asleep.<br><br>For Reiji, I propose Shia LeBouf (http://www.foxsnews.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1309462576-64.jpg) as a young pencil-pushing Sidereal who takes his job too seriously.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 16:41:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is kinda sexy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 16:45:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He has to wear the tie and the "I'm on trial" face at all times.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 16:58:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nice hear there has been some consensus, also sorry meikle if my suggestion drove you up roar rage :/.<br><br>Anyways it sounds reasonable that one part of city is not affected because is basic geometry simply does not bend, while most rest changes around it. So Muse and his commanded soldiers get the shiny spot in oldest parts of the city while meikle char takes over general populace.<br><br>Also indeed the social tension between two leaders should create nice background events to the city (when we are not figthing against dynasts or death lords).<br><br>But question; would meikle's followers demand other exalts (like mine) wear black and white uniform to even accept their presence? Not mention follow their customs (assuming that exalt is not under the effect of the charm).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 21:37:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				They are not hostile to outsiders; they can't afford to be, because most of the underground gets by on trade, etc.<br><br>They would not be happy if you tried to settle down within the area without accepting their customs; the Charm doesn't have any means to force its mental influence upon non-mortals, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 21:55:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				See, I knew we could all get along!&nbsp; And just in the way I figured it would.<br><br>Remember, your characters can dislike each other intensely- but, let's be honest, you're both going to be powerful players in the city, and, you both have big incentives to get along together.&nbsp; (Chiaroscuro isn't going to be all that valuable if it's taken back by the Realm or overrun by Yozis or dragged down to Oblivion, after all.)&nbsp; And you have centuries to deal with each other afterwards- let's make it an interesting character interaction for the story.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:10:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4887974#msg4887974">Quote from: AlexStone on 05-07-2011, 21:55:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">See, I knew we could all get along!&nbsp; And just in the way I figured it would.<br><br>Remember, your characters can dislike each other intensely- but, let's be honest, you're both going to be powerful players in the city, and, you both have big incentives to get along together.&nbsp; (Chiaroscuro isn't going to be all that valuable if it's taken back by the Realm or overrun by Yozis or dragged down to Oblivion, after all.)&nbsp; And you have centuries to deal with each other afterwards- let's make it an interesting character interaction for the story.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yes, but Alex, the deck is sort of getting stacked here in terms of the power players.&nbsp; You've got the 5 Solars, Meikle's Infernal, Zaer's DB, and my Sidereal, at last count.&nbsp; And the way I see it - erroneous it might be - is that when the Solars find out about CPI, there's going to be a confrontation, and people are going to have to take sides.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:14:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Why?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:19:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, it already sounds like that Muse's character would have some serious issues with the CPI, given how it's changing everything he knows about the city he grew up in.&nbsp; And I know that the effects of the CPI would probably attract the attention of the Sidereals in Yu-Shan, because converting a whole city population to a single cult/religion/whatever is probably a massive snarl in the Loom of Fate.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:21:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, it all depends what purpose CPI serves. It could serve as expection to rule in Loom of Fate. But also note; You got a DB who has Destiny 5, it means my char destiny is egual affecting/big as Scarlet Empress had. So perhaps first solar city could indeed be led multiple exalt types and include allowance of CPI which happens to mimic what Exalts did in first age. Even then CPI is not extreme as some first age solar led cities were.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:25:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The effects of CPI are a Blasphemy effect: of course they'll attract attention.<br><br>I'm going to assume you're not saying "My sidereal won't play nice with an Infernal", though, because you've had plenty of time to account for that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:27:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, no, I'm not saying that my character won't play nice with yours.&nbsp; He'll do so if it's what's required of him to do his job.&nbsp; If, however, it should come down to a choice between you and, say, the Solar Circle in the city, he'll choose the Circle without any hesitation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:30:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4888026#msg4888026">Quote from: ReijiTabibito on 05-07-2011, 22:10:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, but Alex, the deck is sort of getting stacked here in terms of the power players.&nbsp; You've got the 5 Solars, Meikle's Infernal, Zaer's DB, and my Sidereal, at last count.&nbsp; And the way I see it - erroneous it might be - is that when the Solars find out about CPI, there's going to be a confrontation, and people are going to have to take sides.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sure.&nbsp; But, as the saying goes, nothing improves clarity like the hangman.&nbsp; If you want to fall into infighting while a Great House sails an army into town and the Yozi's minions turn glass streets to brass, well, I guess&nbsp; you can do just that.&nbsp; But, think like a long lived demi-god- CPI is an issue that can be pushed to the back burner while a war's on.&nbsp; Otherwise, you don't live long enough for it to matter a bit.<br><br>Remember, we don't know Cliotan's thesis, here- is she arguing that you guys deserve more credit than you've been getting for saving Creation, or that you deserve less blame for wrecking it than you've been getting?&nbsp; We need to write it for her.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:34:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know, in terms of Gears and her team, she is all for anything that keeps people from bothering her while she works.&nbsp; So if CPI keeps the towns people from bothering her while she is going through their homes tracking down lines of essence, all the better for her.&nbsp; If CPI allows her an easy workforce to help alter the city to permit flows of essence or restore structural integrity, all the better in her eyes.&nbsp; Right now, she’s willing to work with the devil to make Heaven so to speak.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 22:41:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also Alexstone; do you like PM discuss regarding my Destiny 5 background? It is background only available to mortal and terrestrial exalts. It mentions Scarlet Empress had Destiny 5 for sure background dots wise (as a example). Or do you prefer keep it as 'big surprise' later to see what her grand destiny is all about? Anyways it is kinda ST device the whole Destiny thing as it can make some impossible things possible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>05-07-2011, 23:01:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Then a bunch of Destiny-ignoring Celestials come and muck everything up anyway :(
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 00:06:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4887019#msg4887019">Quote from: meikle on 05-07-2011, 16:32:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm still not asleep.<br><br>For Reiji, I propose Shia LeBouf (http://www.foxsnews.biz/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1309462576-64.jpg) as a young pencil-pushing Sidereal who takes his job too seriously.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's actually 90% better than most of the stuff I was looking at for my character.&nbsp; Even if he's wearing modern clothes, but meh.&nbsp; Use your imagination.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 01:46:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I really do think that is a good look for your character.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 01:49:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks, P.&nbsp; Hearing you say that is, at the very least, an affirmation that I made the right choice.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 07:07:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Quick note:&nbsp; made a few minor changes to my char sheet, and my character is now named Shimmering Lodestar.&nbsp; <br><br>As for how she met the others initially...she's a high ranking member of the Cult of the Illuminated, and kind of an itinerant.&nbsp; Perhaps she came after the initial group of PCs established control, and offered her services as a diplomat? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 08:04:03</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				*Sighes* I thought I'd set up a perfectly good introduction.&nbsp; Does anyone want to know each other before Chiaoscuro at all?&nbsp; <br><br>*sweat drop*&nbsp; <br><br>How about this?&nbsp; <br><br>*Cracks knuckles and gets to work*&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 08:08:54</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Muse, depending on where you've been in Creation, you might have run into my character - Seeker in the Darkened Starlight, Chosen of Secrets - at some point.&nbsp; He operates mainly in the Scavenger Lands and parts of the South, mainly Harborhead, though he has been to The Lap on a few occasions.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 08:52:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Gears and her D'jalla engineers were excevating a first age ruin dangerously close too the wyld when a large band of leione hobgbolins assailed them.&nbsp; <br><br>A war party from the Court of Orderly Flame lead by a Garda Bird joined them in retialting and witnered Gears in Anima Display.&nbsp; They aproached her politely and managed too learn her name.&nbsp; A few weeks later, the Garda Bird approached them again with three flame ducks and a human.&nbsp; He introduced the huamn, Koshak, who bowed and brushed his lips over her knuckles.&nbsp; When he straightened up again, the mark of the dawn was gleaming on her forehead.&nbsp; "An honor to meet you."&nbsp; <br><br>Some time latter, these two were in an small oasis nation where a demonic cult was offering human sacrifices too Inexes, the Crawling Chaos.&nbsp; Without their knowlege, Madder had also stummbled across this cult and determined too put an end too the slaughter.&nbsp; A cunning second circle demon stalked Koshak and Gears in a femenine guys, comiting murders with a beam klaive.&nbsp; <br><br>In the course of their quests, the two heroes encountered each other--madder coming out of the shadows, beam klaive drawn.&nbsp; Koshak came too the logical conclusion and an epic battle ensued that might have ended them both if an overeager cultist hadn't tipped off Gears too the assembling ambush.&nbsp; Realizing a mutual foe, the two called alliance with a glance and the heroes destroyed the cult together, revealing the true murderer in the process.&nbsp; <br><br>Now Shinzune saught deliberatly to leave the realm and find a place high in the council of those the world now knew as Anathema.&nbsp; Yurgen Kaneko didn't seem likely to welcome dragon blooded recruits at this time, but her loyal friend Prince Fhalash maintained his diploatic ties with the southern fire courts as best as he could and thus knew that the Court of Orderly Flame curently numbered among it's closest allies an anathema.&nbsp; He aranged a meeting on her behalf.&nbsp; <br><br>Aeneia Orlan informed Shimmering Loadstar of these events, discovered by the Cult of the Illuminated's eyes and Ears, and asked her to travel with Seeker in the Darkened Starligh, a Vizier passing through the Sequestered Tabernacle after some time in Harborhead, to join this group.&nbsp; <br><br>Seeker had, of course, been facilitating these events all along.&nbsp; <br><br>In this fashion the initial circle formed, and came to be camped in a small but pleasent oasis, enjoying each other's company, when Asam-khan came seeking them.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 10:39:00</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Come on now, it's not a <em>beamklave</em>.&nbsp; That's what Alchemicals use!<br><br>It's a <em>Green Sun Saber</em>.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 11:21:08</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I am curious as to what purpose the Cult of the Illuminated plays in the character background and will play in the city.&nbsp; The Cult is not exactly a boon to a group of up and coming Solars, so is their presence a necessity to the character’s background?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 12:31:48</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I am not entirely sure why our beginning needs to be somewhere in the desert four months away from Chiaroscuro.<br><br>I'm not unwilling to say that Madder ran into someone and then nearly chopped off their heads before forging an uneasy, spur-of-the-moment alliance against a greater foe before going off their own ways -- but Madder certainly wouldn't go "Well, now I guess I'll just follow you around!"&nbsp; She has her own things to do, after all, and they don't include sitting around in the desert four months from home.<br><br>But that's okay; your character is, presumably, going to return to Chiaroscuro, and that is where Madder will be.&nbsp; Otherwise, I foresee Madder's prelude involvement being 'doesn't do anything', because there is nothing of interest to her in the desert, really.&nbsp; She is a social architect, after all -- and an awesome swordsperson, sure -- but I have it on pretty good authority that it would not be good if she went ahead and Social Architected a camp which is populated solely by your character's followers. :p<br><br>Now I am going to make a post and follow Pumpkin Seeds' example because it was awesome.&nbsp; 'Now' might be tomorrow.&nbsp; Can't be certain.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 18:16:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4888129#msg4888129">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 05-07-2011, 22:41:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also Alexstone; do you like PM discuss regarding my Destiny 5 background? It is background only available to mortal and terrestrial exalts. It mentions Scarlet Empress had Destiny 5 for sure background dots wise (as a example). Or do you prefer keep it as 'big surprise' later to see what her grand destiny is all about? Anyways it is kinda ST device the whole Destiny thing as it can make some impossible things possible.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Let's hold it in reserve for now, unless you have an idea you definitely want to pursue.&nbsp; Right now, I'm thinking that you might start a major academy of Sorcery- or even a more general academy- that will serve in the new future, but we can expand on that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 19:06:38</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, starting academy does not even need destiny. Even then if she develops 'greatest sorcery academy of all time' it would ask her to able at least ability to perform celestial circle sorcery (basically re-open first age academy which is able to teach solars, sidereals and lunars celestial sorcery besides terrestrial).<br><br>So, my own idea for destiny 5 for concept; 'greatest DB sorceress all time' is for single fact; she surpass her limit as exaltation somehow to able do celestial circle sorcery (if said it is impossible for DB to perform celestial circle sorcery because low essence pool, then note that Scarlet Empress was able to do same by having first age artifact; Birgitte's Cape, the first solar sorceress in recorded first age history). But my char case she does not depend artifact to pull it off; but somehow break the limit (either get it as boon from very god who is responsible creating DB exaltation or she finding way around it by increasing her own essence self to celestial levels).<br><br>At least this is my idea how my destiny 5 <em>could</em> work, also I find it as interesting irony that a DB is teaching solars how use celestial circle magic (she ofc cannot teach solar circle magic but she would be long term mentor in sorcery).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 19:26:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait, you want to use the Destiny 5 background to use higher level spells?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 19:38:35</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Not just for <em>that</em> purpose but as said it was my own idea how destiny 5 could manifest example. I guess what purpose I learned do celestial circle magic is more important than just gain ability to do so. But how else my char could be considered 'greatest DB sorceress ever' otherways than achieving impossible? As background wise a sidereal who was staring Loom of Fate to get prophecy for high influential Cathak DB found out his daugther has such powerful omen/destiny about her being greatest sorceress what DB's ever have.<br><br>Anyways statically speaking the background gives 5 dice to any action which counts as 'her destiny' but it is most crude form and background should not meant to used that way. Destiny 5 could literally destroy kingdoms or even part of creation to work it way around in favor for such destined person. Example if a spell would hit her which should annihilate her, instead either spell does not fully work for weird reason or someone jumps to take bullet for her even if it was not supposed to be possible.<br><br>As if you read Scarlet Empress which is said to be example for person who had destiny 5 she lost 4 her closest friends in the solar manse to get access to it's defense matrix and use it (despite being DB and not solar). Also she founded empire which has lasted centuries and has affected creation wide in politics and made eldest sidereal bow to her :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 19:58:15</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				The Scarlet Empress is an example of Destiny 5 simply because she shook the very foundations of Creation.&nbsp; She is listed as an example, but certainly those that founded Lookshy could be on a similar vein as well.&nbsp; The Scarlet Empress was a major figure head for many centuries though, but her power also came through research and work.&nbsp; Destiny did not allow her or hand her any of the benefits, merely protected her while she ascended to her position.<br><br>I have no problem with your character looking to access the higher circle of sorcery or trying to reach beyond their Exaltation, which is certainly the stuff of legends.&nbsp; My problem is the way this sounds where Destiny 5 grants this ability and you simply just have to pay the points to get there.&nbsp; Destiny then becomes a sort of “god stat” where you gain protection and higher level capabilities for a paltry price of a few background and bonus points.&nbsp; <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 20:05:48</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, as I said destiny is ST's tool to add something awesome to the char's future and I just mentioned a thing what I would like to be part of the epic destiny; able to access celestial circle sorcery. I do plan research and do that as my char is motivated to become greatest DB sorceress in history. She knows she could master each and every terrestrial circle sorcery ever developed and develop some new ones. But these things would not make her 'greatest' just a pretty knowledgeable one and perhaps good.<br><br>What she seeks is to get hands on celestial circle sorcery as that is a mile mark what no DB has ever achieved as sorcerer. So she is already thinking towards that direction but she needs research more about it and learn truths from among bunch of lies; example the immaculate teachings cloud much of the true details of the creation and it's functions. She needs get access to first age and older documents to learn about how exalts were created so she can learn bend the rules.<br><br>So, no, I did not plan use the background just get access to higher degree of sorcery or achieve these things easy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 21:01:00</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				We're just spitballing ideas on what it could mean- it's possible it could mean a lot of things.&nbsp; <br><br>After all, learning sorcery requires sacrifice.&nbsp; Now, imagine the sacrifice required to learn more than you should know... <br><br>At any rate, we'll sort it all out.&nbsp; As the game progresses, I suspect we'll figure out what we really want it to be.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 21:10:00</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, my char done all five steps for sorcery and she had paid sacrifice for terrestrial circle. So learning celestial circle sorcery when it is actually surpassing her own exaltation......can be very costly indeed.<br><br>But yeah, we shall see how things fare. Anyways I had thinked Shizune met Shimmering Lodestar because she was one survivors from Thorns (her mentor wanted learn much as possible from the abyssals which are mystery to sidereals also and my mentor has sidereal colleques in Hepthagram). She goes and meets Shimmering Lodestar and finds out she is anathema and because her cult connections she tells 'truth' about the ancient past and informs DB's usurpation etc.<br><br>Then to double check she heads to Hepthagram inform mentor that Shimmering Lodestar was anathema (plus whatever she learned from events in Thorns) but then asks a resident sidereal about what Shimmering Lodestar talked about. The sidereal was gold faction sidereal (could be one players) informed the facts and confirmed them.....and so by shame for what her kin had done in the past she decided redeem her part the past acts and does eclipse (Shimmering Lodestar done it) empowered ancient DB loyalty oath towards solar circle. Being first DB to submit and bend knee in this era and time probably.<br><br>At least my cents how she is involved in the past events but how she helped in the city itself.....probably nothing expect perhaps help clean up and deal with undead send in by abyssals (while solars kicking ass as usual).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 21:58:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So is there a Wyld Hunt on Lodestar's tail?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 23:37:30</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't think so; she's not the kind of rampaging anathema threat that draws one, I think, nor does she stay and rule (at least until recently).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>06-07-2011, 23:49:02</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Anyways statically speaking the background gives 5 dice to any action which counts as 'her destiny' but it is most crude form and background should not meant to used that way. Destiny 5 could literally destroy kingdoms or even part of creation to work it way around in favor for such destined person. Example if a spell would hit her which should annihilate her, instead either spell does not fully work for weird reason or someone jumps to take bullet for her even if it was not supposed to be possible.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Destiny 5 absolutely should <em>not</em> be plot armor beyond what the background provides.<br><br>The Scarlet Empress got where she was because she was smart, dedicated, brutal and efficient; she didn't let anything stand in her way and she clawed her way to the top over the bodies of her friends.&nbsp; The world didn't cut her any breaks; expecting 5 dots of a background to make you immune to deadly spells (or anything else that would get in your way) is kind of ridiculous.&nbsp; Destiny isn't the "I Win" background -- especially not when you're surrounded by Celestials, whose entire gig is that they cut through Fate and Destiny like a ginsu knife.<br><br>You'll notice that during the Empress' rise to power, there were no Solars around to interfere.<br><br>Fate, in Exalted, manifests itself in the form of better odds -- as in the case of the destinies crafted by Sidereals, and in the Destiny background -- but never as any kind of perfect defense or other similar overtly magical effect.<br><br>Unless you're a Sidereal, but they cheat and abuse Fate rather than letting it guide them along their way.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>07-07-2011, 02:16:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't worry, I'm sure I can give our Dragonblooded friend all the Destiny she can handle.&nbsp; *Cracks knuckles before shooing people out to the IC thread.*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>07-07-2011, 06:33:24</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Travelling tomorrow, but will try to get someting up at night.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 02:26:29</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I asked about the Wyld Hunt because Zaer's character is going back and reporting that your character is an Anathema.&nbsp; The Wyld Hunt doesn't just go after rampaging people, but after any Solar Exalted.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 02:44:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4897918#msg4897918">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 08-07-2011, 02:26:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The Wyld Hunt doesn't just go after rampaging people, but after any Solar Exalted.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Explicitly to murder them before they have the opportunity (or even potential) to become a rampaging threat.<br><br>The Dragon-Blooded know that they are more likely to kill a Solar young than a Solar with experience, and they <em>still</em> send armies.&nbsp; They aren't screwing around.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 04:41:29</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed.&nbsp; <br><br>*&nbsp; *&nbsp; *<br><br>And it would be a nice lead in too the Realm coming for us in Chiaoscuro.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 05:20:51</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				We could do that as a great build into the story really.&nbsp; <br><br>For instance let us say that Zaer’s character goes off to do this interview.&nbsp; There is suspicion that this woman might have tapped into unholy powers to make her escape.&nbsp; So that is the true reason behind the visit, but this is not known Shizune, who think she is merely doing research into the Thorns incident.&nbsp; A meeting takes place between the two, a few days are spent and Shizune is enchanted with Lodestar.&nbsp; They have a nice friendship starting to form and the two part for their homes.<br><br>Shizune returns to her home and makes the report.&nbsp; Suddenly she sees an order written for the immediate extermination of the suspected Solar.&nbsp; Shizune did not submit an official confirmation that Solar activity was coming from the young woman, but rather that the circumstances of her escape were quite extraordinary.&nbsp; Regardless a Wyld Hunt is dispatched.&nbsp; <br><br>Making use of her spells and connections, Shizune races back toward Nexus.&nbsp; The Wyld Hunt is hot on her heels, having had to take time to form up their ranks.&nbsp; So she grabs Shizune and races toward the South where she had heard a few Solars were beginning to make an appearance.&nbsp; That would bring the Wyld Hunt down on us as a group and also bring some tension between us and Shizune.&nbsp; <br><br>When we send the Wyld Hunt packing, they go and report that Solars have gathered to make their stand in Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 05:37:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Derp.<br><br>I just realized characters can't start with willpower above 8.&nbsp; Whoops.<br><br>Edit: I can't believe I wrote 'character's'.&nbsp; This whole 'nocturnal' thing is fuckin' me up what good.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 06:49:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fixed -- also noticed that I had way more Ability points than I should have (to the tune of 6).&nbsp; I guess I forgot to update my BPs when I took them -- I was tired and worked on the sheet over a couple of nights.&nbsp; That's fixed, too.<br><br>It should all be efficient and good now.<br><br>Edit: I might have a dot of backgrounds left.&nbsp; Whoarhgh.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 08:42:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How's the character sheet coming along Reiji?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 08:47:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Sid is done in terms of the numbers and appearance and all that.&nbsp; I'm still working to try and get his backstory in place.&nbsp; Which is why I need to ask everyone present here a question: Are we going with the idea that my Sidereal has been pulling all the strings from behind the scene to get all of the party together in Chiaroscuro?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:01:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am curious to see how that might work out<br><br>Madder will cause all kinds of problems, I imagine; as an Infernal, the Loom of Fate just won't pick up on her, so everything she does probably causes tangles in the stuff he's trying to work with (I mean, I assume if he's masterminding things, he's doing it Because Fate).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:06:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I like that idea.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:06:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I do think the idea is interesting and certainly something to pursue.&nbsp; Sidereal are obviously masters of long term goals, so I could see several points in her past where the hand of Fate might have intervened through the touch of a Sidereal.&nbsp; The question becomes why would a Chosen of Secrets investigator be interested in our joining forces in this city?
			</dd>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:12:50</strong>
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				Generally speaking, I don't tend to like ensemble games where one character ends up placed above the others -- as a de facto leader or protagonist or whatever -- which is what "It was me all along!" does.<br><br>I hate the idea less when accounting for the fact that my character can't be predicted by Sidereal magic, though. :D
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:14:14</strong>
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				As long as I don't hear a "No," I'm going to run with the idea that my Sidereal has been working behind the scenes to bring the party together.&nbsp; But, to spoil a few things on my character sheet...<br><br>Item: My Sidereal's Motivation is to solve the mystery of Solar tyranny which led to the Usurpation.&nbsp; In his mind, if we can understand why it happened, then we can - in the future - avoid having to go through all of this again.&nbsp; Because, let's face it, things were pretty awesome in the First Age.&nbsp; To him, this is a prime opportunity to study the returning Solars and see if he can't get some clues towards solving the puzzle.<br><br>Item: Don't think that the Bronze Faction is going to take something like Solars conquering a city lying down.&nbsp; The hands may belong to the Realm, but the heart that drives them belongs to Chejop Kejak and the Bronzes.&nbsp; My guy has a number of connections in Yu-Shan, as well as the backing of the Gold Faction, so he'll provide a very useful person in running interference for you up there.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:21:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As long as I don't hear a "No," I'm going to run with the idea that my Sidereal has been working behind the scenes to bring the party together.&nbsp; But, to spoil a few things on my character sheet...</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I am going to say "No", kind of.<br><br>Madder is outside of Fate and can't be tracked by Sidereal magic; she is unpredictable and, up until (and probably not for a few weeks after) the Abyssal attacks, she hasn't done anything to draw attention to herself.<br><br>So, if that's the way things go -- and I'd really not assume it until you have people's okays, because really -- I think it makes more sense for Madder to be a wild card.&nbsp; Fate can't account for what she does, she doesn't show up in the Loom, so there's no reason anyone would account for her.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:24:34</strong>
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				That's fine.&nbsp; The real objective for my guy anyway is to get all the Solars together and do his job.&nbsp; You just happened to be an unforeseen circumstance that happened to come along with one of them, or somehow.<br><br>Either way, you aren't being factored into his plans, because you're not part of the job.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:43:33</strong>
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				That's fine.&nbsp; It still needs to come up, though, because Madder will <em>interfere</em> with the plans in ways that can't be predicted.&nbsp; Fate will tangle around her, worse than it does for any other flavor of Exalted, because it does not have a strand for her at all, but she tangles others nonetheless.<br><br>And I'm clarifying that because it should be clarified right off the bat -- because it ought to come up, because it's one of the points of tension between an Infernal and a Sidereal, between Hell and Heaven in Exalted.&nbsp; And I'm clarifying because there really ought to be a solution in the works that is not "And then, I called down all of the Celestial Lions to kill her."<br><br>Essentially, I want to be sure that we are not playing antagonists to one another; we are supposed to be a functional Circle, after all, even if we have some internal squabbling.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 09:57:13</strong>
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				I'd like to run this by all of you, and especially Zaer, before I post it in the IC thread, since it concerns more than just me, and also to get opinions on the format:<br><br>An excerpt from the Chronicle of Remembrance, a section of the Cult of the Illuminated's holy writings dedicated to recording the notable deeds of the "Illuminated Ones."<br><br><em>Remembrance Chapter 17<br><br>And lo, did it come to pass that a Dragon of Flame and Beauty came to Nexus, in the Riverlands, and there she met the Shimmering Lodestar, beacon of hope to her kind.<br>And such was the Shimmering Lodestar's mercy, that she did not strike the Dragon down for her kind's betrayal, but invited her into her home.&nbsp; They feasted on succulent delights, and spoke long into the night.<br>"Do you not see," the Lodestar said, her every word as a drop of honey, "that our rivalry is without merit?&nbsp; That we must forsake our hatreds and oaths of revenge, and serve our greater oaths to Creation itself?"&nbsp; <br>Thus the Dragon was struck by her words, and the seed of the light was placed into her soul.<br><br>When the Dragon returned to her brethren, they asked her many questions about the Lodestar, demanding to know the secret of whether she was one of the Illuminated.<br>The seed of light blossomed forth at that moment, and she misled her brethren, telling them nothing of the truth of her Illuminated nature, but only the truth that she was a noble and remarkable woman.<br>But the other Dragons were suspicious, and cast out their web of spies, and discovered the truth.&nbsp; In their wroth, they assembled a mighty host of Dragons and men, to hunt the Shimmering Lodestar, and snuff her.<br>The Dragon of Flame and Beauty could not bear to see such a blasphemy occur, however, and raced with all her power, bringing warning to the Lodestar of the doom approaching her.&nbsp; <br><br>But the gods may grant succor even as they bring endings; word reached the Lodestar and the Dragon of a great Circle of the Illuminated, and other mysterious beings beside, who had driven the black children of Oblivion from Chiaroscuro, the City of Glass.<br>Fleeing before the Host, they travelled across river, field, and hills, through desert, jungle, and mountain.&nbsp; At long last, they came into the city, and Shimmering Lodestar presented herself to the Circle.<br>She offered them her knowledge, her power, her light, if only they would accept her and the Dragon amongst their number, and shelter them from the army that even now gathered to strike.<br><br>To her great and everlasting joy, they accepted, and rode out with her to face her enemies.&nbsp; The battle was long and fierce, and flashes of brilliant color and power blinded and terrified those who tried to observe.&nbsp; At the end, the Circle stood triumphant, and the host was scattered to the wind.<br>To celebrate their victory, Shimmering Lodestar took a great brush and drew a giant seal of incredible beauty in red ink.&nbsp; It was hung over the gates of the city, and implored all those who entered, to respect the peace of the Circle.</em>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 10:38:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4899511#msg4899511">Quote from: Anansi on 08-07-2011, 09:57:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'd like to run this by all of you, and especially Zaer, before I post it in the IC thread, since it concerns more than just me, and also to get opinions on the format:<br><br>An excerpt from the Chronicle of Remembrance, a section of the Cult of the Illuminated's holy writings dedicated to recording the notable deeds of the "Illuminated Ones."<br><br><em>Remembrance Chapter 17<br><br>And lo, did it come to pass that a Dragon of Flame and Beauty came to Nexus, in the Riverlands, and there she met the Shimmering Lodestar, beacon of hope to her kind.<br>And such was the Shimmering Lodestar's mercy, that she did not strike the Dragon down for her kind's betrayal, but invited her into her home.&nbsp; They feasted on succulent delights, and spoke long into the night.<br>"Do you not see," the Lodestar said, her every word as a drop of honey, "that our rivalry is without merit?&nbsp; That we must forsake our hatreds and oaths of revenge, and serve our greater oaths to Creation itself?"&nbsp; <br>Thus the Dragon was struck by her words, and the seed of the light was placed into her soul.<br><br>When the Dragon returned to her brethren, they asked her many questions about the Lodestar, demanding to know the secret of whether she was one of the Illuminated.<br>The seed of light blossomed forth at that moment, and she misled her brethren, telling them nothing of the truth of her Illuminated nature, but only the truth that she was a noble and remarkable woman.<br>But the other Dragons were suspicious, and cast out their web of spies, and discovered the truth.&nbsp; In their wroth, they assembled a mighty host of Dragons and men, to hunt the Shimmering Lodestar, and snuff her.<br>The Dragon of Flame and Beauty could not bear to see such a blasphemy occur, however, and raced with all her power, bringing warning to the Lodestar of the doom approaching her.&nbsp; <br><br>But the gods may grant succor even as they bring endings; word reached the Lodestar and the Dragon of a great Circle of the Illuminated, and other mysterious beings beside, who had driven the black children of Oblivion from Chiaroscuro, the City of Glass.<br>Fleeing before the Host, they travelled across river, field, and hills, through desert, jungle, and mountain.&nbsp; At long last, they came into the city, and Shimmering Lodestar presented herself to the Circle.<br>She offered them her knowledge, her power, her light, if only they would accept her and the Dragon amongst their number, and shelter them from the army that even now gathered to strike.<br><br>To her great and everlasting joy, they accepted, and rode out with her to face her enemies.&nbsp; The battle was long and fierce, and flashes of brilliant color and power blinded and terrified those who tried to observe.&nbsp; At the end, the Circle stood triumphant, and the host was scattered to the wind.<br>To celebrate their victory, Shimmering Lodestar took a great brush and drew a giant seal of incredible beauty in red ink.&nbsp; It was hung over the gates of the city, and implored all those who entered, to respect the peace of the Circle.</em><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I give this approval :). I also agree that is great point that she was send investigate was Lodestar anathema without telling her she is going meet one. Then as she has years hold suspicion over the details of first age and 'corruption' of solars she refrained from telling her superiors (in Cathak house) that Lodestar was nothing more than very lucky and nice person. But the spies and informants confirmed the truth and she thanks her wings of raptor got ahead wyld hunt and heard the rumors from south run together with Lodestar.<br><br>Also if ReijiTabibito has worked in background; He needs just been mentor in Hepthagram (not always there) and when Shizune returned and she asked about things what Lodestar talked about....he confirmed just the truth what Lodestar knew about usurpation etc. So Shizune in own pride then struck as she was then shamed for sharing blood of traitors in her (in essence all DB's are one way or other descendants of same DB's who performed usurpation and her case it's very likely). Anyways start perform my own post in.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 10:41:11</strong>
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				Also if we cannot start higher than 8 in Willpower.....I need adjust my sheet also then.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 10:43:27</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4899551#msg4899551">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 08-07-2011, 10:41:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also if we cannot start higher than 8 in Willpower.....I need adjust my sheet also then.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah -- I didn't even look in the core book when I did my virtues &amp; willpower, but I was looking up stuff for someone else and I stumbled on the part where it just says, straight up, that Willpower can't be bought higher than 8 with bonus points.<br><br>I've overlooked this in other games, too, and nobody ever mentioned it, so I just assumed I was right.&nbsp; Ugh. -_-
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 10:44:25</strong>
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				I would edit out the last paragraph simply because it make reference to a time when we, as characters, should be active and playing.&nbsp; Other than that I don't see much, if anything, to disagree about.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 10:50:10</strong>
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				Ouch, ok. Will edit my char then but I guess others need do same also. Frees at least 2 BP and save some XP to increase from my virtues.<br><br>Anyways yeah, the last two lines are more suited while we are playing the game and it can pre-start that there is wyld hunt coming. No doubt wyld hunt is mostly funded by Cathak house (or perhaps Tepet's too consider her mentor send her in to investigate).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 11:07:33</strong>
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				You're not technically starting characters- if you have the XP to buy up Willpower, you can, though you can't use BP to get it over the limit.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 11:20:50</strong>
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				Yeah, but it costs 16 XP raise it to nine and 18 XP raise it to ten after nine. So total 34 XP for willpower alone. So better raise it in-game. Anyways changing Droning Suggestion for Emerald Counter Magic. It is 10-20 essence costing sorcery spell right?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 11:30:12</strong>
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				It's 10 motes to make yourself resistant to spells for one action, and 20 motes to shatter and existing Terrestrial Circle Spell, yep.<br><br>...<br><br>I never specified an ally, because I was having trouble coming with with an exalt/notable god/other character on our level.<br><br>I would like for Madder's ally to be Alveua, who is detailed in the Roll of Glorious Divinity 2.&nbsp; Therein it cites her philosophy, which includes freeing the Yozis, putting mortals and gods into servitude, and making the world a more harmonious place.&nbsp; Madder has no interest in the former two ideas, but the latter is essentially in tune with her own Motivation, and so she and Alveua get along working toward those goals.<br><br>Presently, Madder has no real way to get Alveua's attention beyond prayer and drawing blood, but hey.&nbsp; I imagine they got together in the demon realm and got along alright, which would make Alveua one of the few demons that Madder didn't piss off during her visit.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 11:44:03</strong>
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				Hmmm, shattering spell is fun to do enemies.....anyways got essence reduced bleh. But got 5 XP free for not spending them to increase virtue nor awareness (BP went those). So depending bonuses from background (which I will edit shortly) and from IC history thread I may able learn perhaps a charm (most likely going to elemental burst technique so I can fire barrage of AoE effects).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 18:16:19</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4899591#msg4899591">Quote from: meikle on 08-07-2011, 11:30:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>I would like for Madder's ally to be Alveua, who is detailed in the Roll of Glorious Divinity 2.&nbsp; Therein it cites her philosophy, which includes freeing the Yozis, putting mortals and gods into servitude, and making the world a more harmonious place.&nbsp; Madder has no interest in the former two ideas, but the latter is essentially in tune with her own Motivation, and so she and Alveua get along working toward those goals.<br><br>Presently, Madder has no real way to get Alveua's attention beyond prayer and drawing blood, but hey.&nbsp; I imagine they got together in the demon realm and got along alright, which would make Alveua one of the few demons that Madder didn't piss off during her visit.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That'll work- though, if you find something in the pre-game that you want to use, let me know.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 18:22:50</strong>
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				Well, my history entry entered, was it good enough AlexStone? Anyways edited little Shizune's background and edited charsheet. I got 5 XP spare from 50 but wait where spend it eventually.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 22:57:28</strong>
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				It's a good start- let's keep working to tell the story.&nbsp; I'll add in some things myself.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 23:11:44</strong>
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				If no one objects, and because of all this stuff being written, I was going to try my hand at it in addition to writing up my char's background...mainly the story of how he came to be given this task.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2011, 23:27:47</strong>
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				Definitely.&nbsp; Get yer hand in!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ReijiTabibito</strong> on <strong>09-07-2011, 02:22:10</strong>
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				Okay.&nbsp; This is not my character's complete background, this is only a piece of writing that details how he came to be part of the group...<br><br>Seeker in the Darkened Starlight, Sidereal Exalt, Chosen of Secrets, man of the Gold Faction, paused shortly to properly fix his attire before proceeding into the inner chambers of one of the many places in Yu-Shan.&nbsp; He had been called here by a summons signed by a very, very important group: The Golden Circle, policymakers and the heads of his particular faction of the Five-Score Fellowship.&nbsp; Why they wanted him…he had absolutely no idea.<br><br>Background.&nbsp; Seeker in the Darkened Starlight had been just a boy living in the Scavenger Lands city of Great Forks until he had Exalted as one of the Chosen of the Five Maidens, and was brought to Yu-Shan for his training.&nbsp; He was young, but despite that, he had shown promise as a Vizier.&nbsp; Unlike most of his Oracle brethren, Seeker had chosen to work with the Gold Faction, instead of the Bronze that Chosen of Secrets so tended towards.&nbsp; <br><br>Stepping inside, closing the door behind him, Seeker saw the portion of the Circle that had awaited his arrival…including Ayesha Ura, the Chosen of Journeys that headed the Golds.&nbsp; Oh, Jupiter.&nbsp; If Ayesha was here…then he was either in very big trouble or was being given something very important.&nbsp; He had met her once before.&nbsp; ONCE.&nbsp; As part of his initiation into the Gold Faction, he and his sifu had met her at the memorial to the Solars.&nbsp; From then on, he had been one of them, seeking to place the Solar Exalted back into their rightful place as kings of Creation.<br><br>“Seeker in the Darkened Starlight, I’m glad you could make it.&nbsp; Please, come, sit down.”&nbsp; Seeker walked towards the singular chair seated opposite the Gold Circle members.&nbsp; Okay.&nbsp; So far, so good.&nbsp; It didn’t sound like he was in any trouble.&nbsp; “I understand you wanted to see me, ma’am.&nbsp; Might I ask what this is about?”&nbsp; Ayesha smiled.&nbsp; “Straight to the point, aren’t you?&nbsp; Just like Thunderhead and Moonsilver said.”<br><br>“You spoke to them?”&nbsp; Thunderhead – full name Virtuous Thunderhead, a Gold Faction Chosen of Journeys – and Moonsilver – full name Heavenly Moonsilver Spear Bodhissatva, Gold Faction Chosen of Battles – were two of Seeker’s best friends and allies on the Five-Score Fellowship.&nbsp; The move made sense to the young Oracle.&nbsp; If someone really, really wanted to understand Seeker, they would talk to three people.&nbsp; His sifu, Thunderhead, and Moonsilver.&nbsp; “I did,” Ayesha replied with a gentle nod.&nbsp; “And what they had to tell me was quite fascinating.&nbsp; Which is why you are here.”&nbsp; A brief pause.&nbsp; “Tell me something, Seeker.&nbsp; If I were to tell you that the Gold Faction is going to be in a position to strengthen itself and gain support for our vision, what would you say?”<br><br>“…”&nbsp; A thought moment.&nbsp; “I’d want to know what it was that was going to give us support, first.”&nbsp; Ayesha inwardly marveled at the caution and seeking mind of the Oracle.&nbsp; “Then you shall.&nbsp; The Loom of Fate has foreseen a convergence, a massive event on the horizon related to the city of Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; We’ve had our best readers working on it day and night, and as far as we can tell…the city is going to be attacked, but the Loom doesn’t say by who.”&nbsp; Seeker frowned.&nbsp; “Doesn’t say…that leaves one of only a few possibilities,” the young Vizier mused.&nbsp; “My money would be on the Deathlords or the Yozis and their ilk – very little chance the Fair Folk could get that far into Creation without being spotted.”<br><br>“There’s more.”&nbsp; Ayesha interrupted his thoughts.&nbsp; “The Loom says that there will be a full Solar Circle at or near the city at the time of the attack, as well as a Dragonblood named Cathak Shizune.”&nbsp; The Oracle did not like the sound of that.&nbsp; “A Terrestrial of the Realm…that can’t be good.&nbsp; She could bring the whole Wyld Hunt down on their heads.”&nbsp; The millennia-older Harbinger corrected him.&nbsp; “Shizune is a Realm defector, she’s been exposed to the Cult of the Illuminated and chosen to turn her back on the crumbling Scarlet Empire.&nbsp; But she’s got a destiny. A very, very big one.”<br><br>“How big?”<br><br>“Big as the Empress herself.”<br><br>“That grand…”&nbsp; Seeker mused.&nbsp; “Someone with a destiny of that magnitude is bound to change the world in some way.&nbsp; If she’s working for us now, this could be the tipping point we’ve been waiting for.”<br><br>“Not only that,” Ayesha went on, “but we think that somehow, the Solars are going to be in a position to rule the city.&nbsp; And that’s an even bigger boon to us than Cathak.&nbsp; Up to now, the Solars have had very few places in Creation they could go without Realm or Bronze interference.&nbsp; And they’ve had no experience in running any sort of government.&nbsp; If we can prove that the Solars are still capable of governing, then we might get the boost we need in order to help place them back in leadership again.&nbsp; And that is why you are here.&nbsp; You are being given a mission on behalf of all the faction: Get the Solars together.&nbsp; Get them to Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; Help the city survive the impending attack.&nbsp; And prove to all Yu-Shan that the Solars can still lead Creation.”<br><br>For a moment, Seeker sat in shock.&nbsp; This was big-no!&nbsp; This was <em>huge</em>!&nbsp; This was grander than any mission that he had been given in the past!&nbsp; And it sounded like he was going to have to do it alone, at least in terms of visible support.&nbsp; If this was indeed as important as he thought it would be…then there would be other faction members working behind the scenes to ensure success.<br><br>“Ma’am, I don’t think you have the right person for the job.&nbsp; I’m not a soldier, I only kill when I have to.&nbsp; I’m not an administrator, I know just enough bureaucratic kung fu to keep people from keeping me from doing my job.&nbsp; And I’m certainly no speaker, I wouldn’t begin to know how to lead these people.&nbsp; I’m a detective, I look for clues, I solve mysteries.&nbsp; I don’t-”&nbsp; Seeker was cut off by Ayesha, holding a finger a few scant inches from his lips.&nbsp; “Chosen of Secrets, do you know why Sol Invictus made so many champions?”&nbsp; Pause.&nbsp; “To fight the Primordials, to increase the chance of winning against them.”<br><br>“True,” she returned, “but there is more.&nbsp; He did it so that there could be variety.”&nbsp; She continued with a very wise statement.&nbsp; “Young Sidereal, the Solars don’t need someone to fight their battles for them – they have the Dawns for that.&nbsp; And they don’t need someone to organize the peoples into a functioning government – they have the Eclipses for that.&nbsp; And they don’t need someone to speak for them – they have the Zeniths for that.”&nbsp; A moment of silence.&nbsp; “So then…why send me at all?”<br><br>“Because, young Seeker,” Ayesha said, “they may not need <em>those things, but they still need</em>.&nbsp; And they need two things, things you are able to give them.&nbsp; One is help.&nbsp; Champions of the Sun they may be, and the greatest Exalted known to all Creation, but they are only returning.&nbsp; They are not entrenched, and you can rest assured that the Bronze Faction will do everything in its power to keep the Solars from retaking their rightful places as kings.&nbsp; You can stall the Bronzes, give the Solars the time they need to fortify themselves.&nbsp; And two is understanding.&nbsp; Do you know why the Usurpation happened?”<br><br>“Of course.&nbsp; It’s something taught to every Sidereal.&nbsp; The Usurpation happened because of the tyranny of the Solars, which led to the Great Prophecy, and…well, all the rest is history.”&nbsp; Ayesha nodded.&nbsp; “All very true.&nbsp; But, despite it being centuries, nay, millennia ago, there is something we don’t know.&nbsp; Why did the Solars go mad?&nbsp; For all our power and wisdom, we still don’t understand <em>why </em>it all took place.”&nbsp; She straightened up fully in her seat.&nbsp; “Success in Chiaroscuro, or even putting the Solars back on the throne, will mean <em>nothing </em>if we do not find a way to prevent another Usurpation.&nbsp; And that is something you do – you look for clues, find evidence, put together theories and cases and make accusations against the criminals that infest the whole of Creation.&nbsp; And when they try and evade justice, you bring it to them yourself.”<br><br>A look of comprehension and understanding passed over the young Sidereal’s face.&nbsp; “Thank you, ma’am.&nbsp; I don’t think I ever really saw it that way.”&nbsp; A smile from the Gold Faction leader.&nbsp; “One day, you will learn to, just like I can.&nbsp; Now go.&nbsp; Do what you must, because time is short, and all Creation may soon be in peril…”&nbsp; Seeker rose from his seat, nodded to the Circle members present, and hastily left the meeting place to return to his celestial manse.&nbsp; He needed to pack.&nbsp; And he needed to get the stones rolling on this endeavor…because it might finally mean solving the goal of his obsession.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>09-07-2011, 16:09:01</strong>
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				Madder will inevitably task your Sidereal with getting her an audience with the Unconquered Sun.<br><br><em>Look forward to it!</em>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>09-07-2011, 18:32:07</strong>
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				And how or why would heaven allow you walk up there in Yu-Shan in first place? Would it not mean that as infernal exalt your basically banished from heaven by default? Considering your Yozi created/corrupted exalt (basically created by lost enemies of heaven). Also why UCS would not smite you on sight from sheer disgust for your corrupted essence which bears echo from solar :P.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 01:39:55</strong>
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				They wouldn't let her in without a VERY good reason, but with such a reason an audience with the UCS isn't necessarily out of the question (assuming you could get him at a time when he's not playing the Games).&nbsp; In all honesty, if you want to meet him, your best bet is to go to Yu-Shan during the Carnival of Meeting.&nbsp; He's definitely out of the Games during that time, and violence is forbidden in the Carnival grounds.<br><br>I don't think she'd be at big risk of being killed by him outright, though.&nbsp; His super-high Temperance and Compassion would argue against that, and if she presented no direct challenge Valor would work against attacking an "unworthy" foe like her, anyway.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 01:47:59</strong>
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				Ahaa, I see. But he is unlikely like her presence either. Just need get her to heaven when it is time of the carnival suppose, just need find one the gates. Would Dragon-Blood be welcomed in heaven also and what god specifically is responsible for DB exaltation? Is it same guy who does solar, lunar and sidereal exaltations (and who was held hostage in usurpation so sidereals could use jade prison seal cans to solar souls/energy).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 01:57:28</strong>
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				Lytek handles Exaltations in general, but Parad is the one who handles DB Exaltations specifically.&nbsp; Neither of them have any real power over exaltations other than basically being able to spit-shine them, but they are high-ranking and influential, and certainly know a LOT about their fields of control.&nbsp; Parad resents Lytek for his power, but also resents most DBs for lessening his status by breeding with mortals.&nbsp; He's been desperately trying to create a bloodline of totally purity by manipulating DB breeding plans indirectly, but has so far met with little success.<br><br>Dragonblooded are not generally welcome in Heaven, but again, with good reason these rules can be lifted.&nbsp; The advantage of going during the Carnival of Meeting is that they can't really forbid you from coming in, unless you're a Creature of Darkness or something (and who says they can detect that flawlessly, eh?).&nbsp; There's only one gate, and it can open literally anywhere in Creation, but there IS a Celestial Circle spell that lets you summon it to you any time of year (though the whole "anyone gets in" thing is only active during the Carnival.)&nbsp; Your best bet is to wait till Calibration and the Carnival, summon the gate, and then just waltz in.&nbsp; Once there, you should be able to find almost any god imaginable on the Carnival grounds; everyone who's anyone will be there.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 02:29:34</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4904245#msg4904245">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 09-07-2011, 18:32:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And how or why would heaven allow you walk up there in Yu-Shan in first place? Would it not mean that as infernal exalt your basically banished from heaven by default? Considering your Yozi created/corrupted exalt (basically created by lost enemies of heaven). Also why UCS would not smite you on sight from sheer disgust for your corrupted essence which bears echo from solar :P.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>http://nobilis.me/quotes:green-sun-bullseyes (http://nobilis.me/quotes:green-sun-bullseyes)<br><br>now, that discusses the Exalted, but you know what knows best how <em>unwise</em> picking fights with the Exalted is?<br><br>everyone in Heaven who benefited from watching the Exalted murder the creators of the universe.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 11:30:03</strong>
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				Hmmm, true. So your saying any celestial exalt can kill their gods and take over them? Anyways that article is more regards towards exalted beings, not gods (who can pretty damn sure know what you are). But infernals got the galaxy reshaping powers, then does not sidereals got same powers or how they exactly now function in 2th edition?<br><br>Anyways need reply regarding my abyssal if anyone would bother :/.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 13:36:31</strong>
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				Where are your abyssal questions posted Zaer?&nbsp; I saw you had a lot of dodge charms that were just mirors of solar charms.&nbsp; 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>10-07-2011, 14:48:59</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4907499#msg4907499">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 10-07-2011, 11:30:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmmm, true. So your saying any celestial exalt can kill their gods and take over them? Anyways that article is more regards towards exalted beings, not gods (who can pretty damn sure know what you are). But infernals got the galaxy reshaping powers, then does not sidereals got same powers or how they exactly now function in 2th edition?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm not sure what your question is.<br><br>The gods have no frame of reference for an Infernal Exalt that isn't an Akuma.&nbsp; They would, contrarily, have <em>no</em> idea what she is, not a perfect idea, barring game-specific advancements in that knowledge.<br><br>Are you asking if Sidereals should be able to reshape the world in weird ways because Infernals can?&nbsp; Because that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 01:47:19</strong>
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				I mean; sidereals got access to the astrology, does not that make sidereals able to 'shape the world' and events in similar way like infernals do? What I am asking is that are infernals and sidereals similar in shape/control powers or principles?<br><br>Also Muse; I asked about the abyssal martial art charms specifically; the Dark Messiah style charms up to Dark Messiah form (have all preqs for it but nothing extra).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 02:13:31</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4909885#msg4909885">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-07-2011, 01:47:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I mean; sidereals got access to the astrology, does not that make sidereals able to 'shape the world' and events in similar way like infernals do? What I am asking is that are infernals and sidereals similar in shape/control powers or principles?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No?&nbsp; Astrology generally just allows them to disguise themselves and gives them a couple of neat but otherwise very limited powers.<br><br>Infernals literally just use Yozi Charms.&nbsp; Sidereals hang out around the bottom of the Celestial-tier of Exalted, and Infernals keep pace with Solars at the top.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 03:19:18</strong>
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				Ahaa, I see. So lunars are atop sidereals and where abyssals fit in the tree? No idea about alchemicals at all though.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 10:44:43</strong>
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				Been a couple of days since someone posted in the IC thread.&nbsp; Should I give the story a nudge?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 11:22:29</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4910349#msg4910349">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-07-2011, 03:19:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ahaa, I see. So lunars are atop sidereals and where abyssals fit in the tree? No idea about alchemicals at all though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Abyssals probably fit just below Solars and Infernals and above everyone else.&nbsp; Their Charms are Solar-level, but they're incredibly focused on things like 'murder' and 'zombies' so they're not especially diverse.<br><br>Alchemicals are weird.&nbsp; Their Charms are more expensive and individually less powerful that Solar-tier Charms, but their ability to swap out Charms means that they can become hyperfocused if they need to, and more cheaply than other characters.&nbsp; It's hard to place them because of it.&nbsp; Their Charms are Celestial tier, and I guess about on par with Lunars (if not below them), but they get a lot of use out of cheaper (4 xp) Charms that can be swapped out of their Charm Slots (6 xp).&nbsp; Where a Solar with 80 XP just has 20 Charms (10 to begin with, 10 more on top of it), an Alchemical with 80 xp enjoys more like 30+ Charms, only 10 or so which they can use at a given time.&nbsp; It means they have more room to specialize, but they lose out on immediate versatility.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 11:55:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4911870#msg4911870">Quote from: AlexStone on 11-07-2011, 10:44:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Been a couple of days since someone posted in the IC thread.&nbsp; Should I give the story a nudge?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I like your native, boss.&nbsp; Let's involve some direction.&nbsp; <br><br>A.&nbsp; I need to move the Band of the REd Hand too a Chiaoscuro camp to recieve Mohender.&nbsp; <br><br>B.&nbsp; At which point, Gears needs extraction from beneath the manse.&nbsp; <br><br>C.&nbsp; Do I know where Madder is too ask her to join the operation?&nbsp; <br><br>D.&nbsp; Is anyone else here yet?&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp; * *&nbsp; *<br><br>Also, do you have us a Zenith player yet?&nbsp; 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 12:05:56</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4911870#msg4911870">Quote from: AlexStone on 11-07-2011, 10:44:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Been a couple of days since someone posted in the IC thread.&nbsp; Should I give the story a nudge?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Aye, nudge bit forward. My and Shimmering Lodestar are bit ahead in future in history record wise so there may be records of events before Shizune and Shimmering Lodestar come to the city with wyld hunt in their tails.<br><br>Also thanks meikle for explaining bit the 2th edition celestial exalt hierarchy :). Btw, abyssals have redemption possible, is same possible for infernals or what is exact deal with infernals exaltation essence? I only know Yozis somehow got them via snatching jade prisons.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 12:12:32</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4911978#msg4911978">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-07-2011, 12:05:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also thanks meikle for explaining bit the 2th edition celestial exalt hierarchy :). Btw, abyssals have redemption possible, is same possible for infernals or what is exact deal with infernals exaltation essence? I only know Yozis somehow got them via snatching jade prisons.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's probably important to keep in mind that Solar and Abyssal Exaltations are, at the end of the day, the same thing.&nbsp; A Solar can force their own Exaltation to power Abyssal magic, and vice versa; presumably, it's possible for a Solar to subsume their Exaltation into an Abyssal one all on their own, the same way that an Abyssal can do the reverse.&nbsp; This has always been the case; there were probably Solars using Abyssal Charms before Abyssals ever existed as servants of the Neverborn.<br><br>Infernal Exaltations, on the other hand, are not the same as Solar Exaltations; it's more like they use a Solar Exaltation as a battery to power something entirely different.&nbsp; You can't move between Solar and Green Sun Prince the way you can move between Solar and Abyssal.&nbsp; The only way to actually force that change to happen is to have the Exaltation on its own and scrape off the stuff that the Yozis added to it, but you can't do that while the Exaltation is active within somebody.<br><br>Infernals do their whole ascendancy thing by becoming themselves and creating a Charmset that represents who they are rather than the Yozis; so like, eventually, Madder would be using the First Madder Excellency and the Sorcerous Initiation of Madder instead of She Who Lives In Her Name.&nbsp; (The alternative routes are 'never committing to anything' or 'becoming one of the Extant Yozis', like turning into a second Malfeas.)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 12:30:01</strong>
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				Ok, thanks from explanation. Anyways turned from Midnight abyssal caste to Day caste with my abyssal. Flavor remain mostly same and background but need think few replacements (no socialize nor perform related charms and perhaps change one dodge charm).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 12:59:05</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">C.&nbsp; Do I know where Madder is too ask her to join the operation?&nbsp; </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't know.&nbsp; We don't really have a timeline of events and people are writing from all over the place.&nbsp; Madder is keeping her head down, though, as far as I'm aware.&nbsp; At least until her magic has reached the point where it's so obvious that hiding is no longer useful.<br><br>I didn't know Gears was trapped anywhere.&nbsp; Last I heard, she was talking to Madder after she was attacked.<br><br>Edit: Though I guess going on just what her tiny djala friend has to say, it might be reasonable to get the impression that she is in trouble.<br><br>It might be nice to get a timeline of events going on, though, when and where people are located and when they are doing the things they're doing, etc.&nbsp; For example:<br><br>RY 763: Madder's political campaign fails under threats of violence against her life.&nbsp; She goes into hiding, and she Exalts.<br>RY 764: Madder leaves Chiaroscuro, traveling into the desert on her way into Malfeas.<br>RY 764-767: Madder studies in Malfeas for three years.<br>RY 767, Resplendent Fire: Madder returns to Chiaroscuro, activates Chirality Prohibition Index in the basement of the Black Tap in the Undercity.<br>RY 767?&nbsp; Early 768?: Madder meets Gears in the Black Tap following an attack beneath the city.<br>Late 768?: Shizune and Lodestar flee to Chiaroscuro in search of asylum<br><br>I imagine that final point should be the 'end point' from which we proceed into the story proper.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>11-07-2011, 17:53:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, I think a timeline of what's going on so far would help everyone- so, let's get an idea of where see things happening, so we can write it up a bit.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 00:32:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, I've posted something that should hopefully give people some ideas- some posts about fighting the attempted assassinations, attempts to form anti-solar groups, and Essence sabotage would be in order- if you need ideas, just ask.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 05:41:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry if I'm a tad slow over the next couple of days.&nbsp; Took my license exam and feel as if I was mentally gang banged.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 07:55:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My worry is that if we're planning to begin play about the time me and Shizune arrive, we don't really have much to contribute to the cityscape as a whole.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 08:08:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4920078#msg4920078">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 13-07-2011, 05:41:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry if I'm a tad slow over the next couple of days.&nbsp; Took my license exam and feel as if I was mentally gang banged.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No worries- such things do come first.<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4920620#msg4920620">Quote from: Anansi on 13-07-2011, 07:55:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My worry is that if we're planning to begin play about the time me and Shizune arrive, we don't really have much to contribute to the cityscape as a whole.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, that's not really written in stone, change it if you like.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 12:06:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, we could roll up a year backwards in the events.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 15:46:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4920620#msg4920620">Quote from: Anansi on 13-07-2011, 07:55:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My worry is that if we're planning to begin play about the time me and Shizune arrive, we don't really have much to contribute to the cityscape as a whole.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I mentioned that in the timeline because I personally think it would be heinous to include a Wyld Hunt chase and then discount it from the story proper.&nbsp; Working under the impression that 'Chiaroscuro vs Abyssals!' was the 'prelude' portion, I just marked 'here's where the game proper starts' at a point where the Abyssals would have been dealt with (or at least driven off) and everyone in the group would have been in one place.<br><br>It's probably noteworthy that if you just set all of the dates back by a year, you probably wouldn't find a city with any kind of supernatural unification to ask for help.&nbsp; So, again, figuring out how things lie would probably not be a terrible idea.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 18:24:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, kinda established solar city is kind the lure/pull both Shizune and Shimmering Lodestone to go to the city in first place. But we could include the events after Shizune and Shimmering Lodestone's arrival to include how circle and city dealt with wyld hunt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 22:11:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Honestly, I'd rather have you guys in sooner, rather than later.&nbsp; Maybe you come down to fight the abyssals, then find out there's a bunch of solars there?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 22:19:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4921342#msg4921342">Quote from: meikle on 13-07-2011, 15:46:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>It's probably noteworthy that if you just set all of the dates back by a year, you probably wouldn't find a city with any kind of supernatural unification to ask for help.&nbsp; So, again, figuring out how things lie would probably not be a terrible idea.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Okay- let's establish, in plain language, what's happened so far.&nbsp; Everyone fill in for your character.<br><br>Team Abyssal: Bone Ebony Lion is gathering up an army of desert tribesmen, led by ghosts of famous warriors for those tribes.&nbsp; She'll use this force to assault the city at the end of the story.<br><br>There are two more operating in the city right now: a Daybreak Caste (Dirgeful Rose) has been investigating broken down Factory Cathedrals, and tried to repair them a little bit.&nbsp; Eye Empty Mask has been forming Death and Ancestor cults in Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; The Day Caste will be making an appearance soon. (I've coordinated with Muse on that front) The Moonshadow hasn't so far appeared, but has spent his time getting supplies for the army from the Guild.&nbsp; (If you hate the Guild, fighting this Moonshadow would be fun!)<br><br>So, in this thread, write out a little bit, plainly, about what your character has been doing in the history excerpts, and then a little bit about what you want to do in the next phase- sabotage, cult influence, assassination. <br><br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 22:58:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4922889#msg4922889">Quote from: AlexStone on 13-07-2011, 22:11:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Honestly, I'd rather have you guys in sooner, rather than later.&nbsp; Maybe you come down to fight the abyssals, then find out there's a bunch of solars there?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>How or why Shizune would come Chiaroscue fight some abyssals when they both are from run from Wyld Hunt?<br><br>*blinks, brain empty ideas for motives go Chiaroscue without already known solar presence*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2011, 23:33:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So maybe you do know.&nbsp; How hard would it be to find out?&nbsp; Or maybe you end up there because it's your only choice- it's the first boat out of town.&nbsp; Or maybe our Sidereal (Where'd he go?) Gets you guys there.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>14-07-2011, 00:07:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We could also arrive with some time before the Wyld Hunt shows up.&nbsp; Remember, they'll know what's going on in Chiaroscuro.&nbsp; They assembled this wyld hunt to kill one social-focus Eclipse.&nbsp; When they figure out where we've gone and who we're allied with, they'll want to come back with much greater force.&nbsp; Given the size of Creation, we could have months to mess around in the city before they arrive.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-07-2011, 11:40:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, that also. Wyld hunt was send after one eclipse but once they learn about treachery and learn the city is run by anathema and a army....they will withdraw but plan return later with bigger force.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>14-07-2011, 15:22:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4922928#msg4922928">Quote from: AlexStone on 13-07-2011, 22:19:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, in this thread, write out a little bit, plainly, about what your character has been doing in the history excerpts, and then a little bit about what you want to do in the next phase- sabotage, cult influence, assassination.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Like I said in the little timeline, Madder's recently returned to Chiaroscuro, started her effort to unify the undercity with her Index, and is spending time at the Black Tap, which was the hideout/hangout where the other influential people used to hang out when she was a political activist (they still do, they're just not very active anymore.)<br><br>I intended to segue into Madder dealing with the growing death cults in Chiaroscuro (I was trying to suggest, in the journal excerpts, that there was some intrusion by a death cult into Madder's comfort zone, and also maybe that as her Index developed, wit would be clashing with the Abyssal's social efforts as well).&nbsp; So, there's that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 10:38:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, through some conversation with our beloved ST and reading through his latest posts there is going to be an assault on the manses of the city.&nbsp; This will disrupt the essence flow and grid, leaving behind some nastiness and truly weakening the city.&nbsp; Likely this could lead to some explosions and a multitude of deaths to form a shadowland.&nbsp; My character is in an obvious position to know of this situation.<br><br>My thought is that I can put up a post where she is communicating with her djala allies back at the Koshak's camp.&nbsp; Now that we have established her meeting with Madder, perhaps we can tie these cult practices and suicides into this effort.&nbsp; Perhaps stating that the suicides are occurring near or at these manses, thereby helping to taint the essence.&nbsp; May hap the "suicides" are actually part of rituals conducted by the Abyssals to taint the essence of the manse and also assist them in destroying the system.&nbsp; <br><br>Using this, we can bring Koshak and Madder together.&nbsp; Gears is trying to keep the manse grid safe, Madder wants to protect her home from these insidious cults and Koshak wants to defend the people from the walking dead here.&nbsp; So maybe we can write in that Madder has an idea to setup an ambush at one of these manses.&nbsp; Gears can figure out which one based on the fluctuations, Madder can gather her people to confirm and help setup the attack and Koshak can rush in with his troops so that we can engage the threat.<br><br>At the time our characters wouldn't know this is an Abyssal threat.&nbsp; There are rumors of the dead rising, but of course Death Knights are still a strange threat for us to face.&nbsp; So when our characters comes forward to shut down this threat to the city, the Death Knight(s) reveal themselves with a massive battle ensuing.&nbsp; This event could trigger a more open conflict over the city.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 10:45:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am quite in favor of this concept.&nbsp; <br><br>My major request in dealing with the death knights is that the Tri'kahn's son and heir flee in jealousy and be offred the exaltation of one of the vanquished.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 11:11:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Shimmering Lodestar and Shizune could already be in the city when this assault occurs.&nbsp; To this point everything has been operating as normal.&nbsp; Chiaroscuro is a major port and an obvious choice for them to flee to so that they can continue on to other lands away from the Wyld Hunt.&nbsp; While the Realm does have a presence here, so do many other cultures and groups.&nbsp; This would mean an ease to blend into the masses.&nbsp; The sudden violence by Abyssals and Solars and an Infernal (didn’t forget you) in the city proper could draw their attention as I’m sure animas will be popping off like fireworks.&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps they see a chance to stop running and find safety in numbers here.&nbsp; <br><br>Honestly though, and I say this with all good intent and positivity, if you are having a hard time joining the prelude because you feel your character has nothing to contribute then perhaps there needs to be some retooling of the character.&nbsp; We are supposed to be focused on the group after all.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 12:30:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, Shizune may have fled to south because Fhalash (her ally) has contacts there and thought with him they both could run to the desert to escape wyld hunt (it is after all Fhalash territory). But in the Chiaroscuro they saw the anima banners (as Pumpkin Seeds mentioned) and there they joined the fight (or more Shizune did with Fhalash as I see Shimmering Lodestar is not combat heavy type but could be wrong). Now question is when this all occured so I can re-type the background properly and then make continuation post how Shizune contributed to the events.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 17:46:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4930448#msg4930448">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 15-07-2011, 11:11:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">and an Infernal (didn’t forget you)</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>"One of their animas was green."<br><br>"Wat?"<br><br>"Green.&nbsp; Like a tree in summer."<br><br>"Superanathema!"<br><br>It all sounds good to me.&nbsp; I will be scarce until Sunday evening or Monday.&nbsp; With my luck, this weekend will be when everyone starts power-writing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 18:09:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4930413#msg4930413">Quote from: Muse on 15-07-2011, 10:45:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I am quite in favor of this concept.&nbsp; <br><br>My major request in dealing with the death knights is that the Tri'kahn's son and heir flee in jealousy and be offred the exaltation of one of the vanquished. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>As in. they become Abyssals?&nbsp; I'm game for that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 20:33:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4930448#msg4930448">Quote from: Pumpkin Seeds on 15-07-2011, 11:11:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Shimmering Lodestar and Shizune could already be in the city when this assault occurs.&nbsp; To this point everything has been operating as normal.&nbsp; Chiaroscuro is a major port and an obvious choice for them to flee to so that they can continue on to other lands away from the Wyld Hunt.&nbsp; While the Realm does have a presence here, so do many other cultures and groups.&nbsp; This would mean an ease to blend into the masses.&nbsp; The sudden violence by Abyssals and Solars and an Infernal (didn’t forget you) in the city proper could draw their attention as I’m sure animas will be popping off like fireworks.&nbsp; <br><br>Perhaps they see a chance to stop running and find safety in numbers here.&nbsp; <br><br>Honestly though, and I say this with all good intent and positivity, if you are having a hard time joining the prelude because you feel your character has nothing to contribute then perhaps there needs to be some retooling of the character.&nbsp; We are supposed to be focused on the group after all.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh, I have things I can do; I was just worried that we wouldn't have the time.<br><br>Perhaps while the others are engaged in epic battle, Lodestar can gather up the people of the city with her performance charms and make sure they stay safe?&nbsp; Afterwards, she can place up Linguistics bombs in public places, calling for civic duty and responsibility from everyone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 20:47:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4930575#msg4930575">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 15-07-2011, 12:30:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, Shizune may have fled to south because Fhalash (her ally) has contacts there and thought with him they both could run to the desert to escape wyld hunt (it is after all Fhalash territory). But in the Chiaroscuro they saw the anima banners (as Pumpkin Seeds mentioned) and there they joined the fight (or more Shizune did with Fhalash as I see Shimmering Lodestar is not combat heavy type but could be wrong). Now question is when this all occured so I can re-type the background properly and then make continuation post how Shizune contributed to the events.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What if we say this all happens over mid to late RY 767?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-07-2011, 23:43:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds fine to me, also Linquistic Bombs can be effective also help people out from battle between exalts ;). Shizune has more direct approach to the combat tough.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>16-07-2011, 00:04:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4931805#msg4931805">Quote from: Anansi on 15-07-2011, 20:33:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh, I have things I can do; I was just worried that we wouldn't have the time.<br><br>Perhaps while the others are engaged in epic battle, Lodestar can gather up the people of the city with her performance charms and make sure they stay safe?&nbsp; Afterwards, she can place up Linguistics bombs in public places, calling for civic duty and responsibility from everyone.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sounds like good plans to me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 08:36:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So... it's been a while since there's been any chatter here, or any posts in the IC- I've poked and prodded the best I know how, so what else can I do to get things going?&nbsp; Do people need ideas?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 11:39:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Been busy this week.&nbsp; Help me out here dude.&nbsp; :D&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 13:42:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll see if I can get something going soon.&nbsp; Just had a hectic and crazy week.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 15:35:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Weekened lag, also as my WoW subrcrition ends at this week wednesday so I am 'grinding' with it as I cannot refresh subscrition until at start of next month.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 22:20:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds good.&nbsp; Just wanted to make sure people were generally still feelin' it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>18-07-2011, 22:58:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i have been <del>committing atrocities in the names of the yozis</del><br><br>busy
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>20-07-2011, 07:13:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Working on a reply now, but it's getting late.&nbsp; If I don't get it up tonight, I shall surely have it up tomorrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-07-2011, 23:32:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Start work also my reply, but I edited old post and is the time/dates now okay or do I need shift months also?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>22-07-2011, 00:24:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We can make the months line up later- we'll worry about the story, then make it all fit as we need. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>24-07-2011, 14:55:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've been having some medicine issues.&nbsp; <br><br>I have my organizer now, and should be fully functional in 36 hours.&nbsp; Would some please send me a PM with a reminder then?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>24-07-2011, 16:50:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4971680#msg4971680">Quote from: Muse on 24-07-2011, 14:55:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I've been having some medicine issues.&nbsp; <br><br>I have my organizer now, and should be fully functional in 36 hours.&nbsp; Would some please send me a PM with a reminder then? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sure- just sort of nudge you?&nbsp; I can do that.&nbsp; <br><br>Other business:<br><br>It strikes me that we should work towards bringing the group together.&nbsp; This may lend itself to more usual RPing that the history file we've been doing.&nbsp; What do you all think?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-07-2011, 16:59:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Working on the update in historys ection but I agree we should start actual IC RP (instead write history) after most recent historic event. This may be the event where group pushed the abyssal forces from city and brought down death cults.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-07-2011, 17:57:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, have we taken account Tamuz (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/exalted/index.php?title=Characters:Tamuz)? He may be guy who could oppose solar circle greatly or aid it greatly.<br><br>Anyways while writing I checked Chiaroscuro and noticed themselves they have quite formidable defenses....so it needs rather massive attack by abyssals to overcome it. So the battle will be rather massive and there must be something going on preventing first age essence cannons not peppering undead away (or simply there is too many of them compared to number of cannons, perhaps abyssal siege weapon which deflects essence shots).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>meikle</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 00:42:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i was under the impression we were working with an insidious, slow-moving attack that was crippling chiaroscuro from the inside prior to the frontal assault<br><br>i imagine that the abyssals would be well-aware of those sorts of defenses and would have broken them prior to their attack (if they were functional at all in the first place)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 00:49:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How does Chiaroscuro have these massive defenses?&nbsp; Wouldn't they have used them long ago?&nbsp; Wouldn't the Realm have taken them apart during occupation.&nbsp; I can't see that this city in ruins suddenly has the ability to fight this massive invasion.&nbsp; The city was relying heavily on the Delzahn for their defense, which is why the city dwellers tolerated the nomads.&nbsp; Suddenly they are stuffing battle cannons out of their windows?<br><br>Honestly, I am wondering how this is going to work as it stands now.&nbsp; Muse, meikle, and myself have all worked toward this climatic battle that is being described.&nbsp; There was a lot of build up in terms of my character discovering the manse, Madder working to isolate the suicide cult and Muse entering the city with his army.&nbsp; Suddenly things are going off with massive explosions and undead armies in the street.&nbsp; There is no coordination here which was to be the point of this historical style of writing.&nbsp; <br><br>I understand that people want this action and that a war is on the horizon.&nbsp; Yet all wars start somewhere and from the posts our ST made, the Abyssals were going the soft and gentle route first.&nbsp; That route would be thwarted by our characters.&nbsp; Then the Abyssals lash out with a more desperate campaign to sack the city, the assault unifying the tribes of the city so that Muse's character can take the lead.&nbsp; <br><br>I'm sorry, but this feels like there are two groups and two different scenes playing out at the same time.&nbsp; There is no coordination, no back and forth and really no interaction.&nbsp; We need to find some sort of middle ground here before people waste more time writing posts that do not link together.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 01:52:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4971863#msg4971863">Quote from: AlexStone on 24-07-2011, 16:50:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sure- just sort of nudge you?&nbsp; I can do that.&nbsp; <br><br>Other business:<br><br>It strikes me that we should work towards bringing the group together.&nbsp; This may lend itself to more usual RPing that the history file we've been doing.&nbsp; What do you all think?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Honestly, I think it's a good time to hash out exactly the circumstances of our meeting, and the immediate events of the attempted takeover.&nbsp; I was writing about that rather generically, but we seem to have run into a disagreement.&nbsp; Myself, I prefer the subtle takeover route, since that would be more the abyssal style so far from any convenient shadowlands.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 02:52:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I based the essence cannon comment (and writing) based on exaltd wikipedia mention that city has Delzans working as primary military source, using calvary and skirmish tactics. Multiple wall layers and citizens themselves figthing in skirmish in narrow alleys around main streets. Then also they have few essence cannons against any major threat.<br><br>But as I see others took offense from my writing regarding the attack then I just delete it away and can pretend it never happened in first place. But it means in larger scale of things Shizune would not have idea what is going on (besides rumors) and not sure is Shimmering Lodestone investigation type. Meaning likely neither of us are part of any effort rout out the death cultists if they do not attempt something stupid or pull of very big gamble attempt.<br><br>Shortly said; I have pretty much no idea what part of me nor Shimmering Lodestone has anything to do with history of the city as I originally stated when I writed about our escapade earlier and when I asked is it ok that we appear after all is established you suggested we should come before that so we have part.....but this point consider they both are in run and they aim keep low profile and neither is settled in local politics anyway or fashion (nor interest in city besides it's hiding place) it means they have no historical significance expect after solars show up and take control of the city.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 07:38:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, we have someone new?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 11:40:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				:: hugs the Kitsune::
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 17:55:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Welcome Kitsune :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>25-07-2011, 20:44:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg4974020#msg4974020">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 25-07-2011, 02:52:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, I based the essence cannon comment (and writing) based on exaltd wikipedia mention that city has Delzans working as primary military source, using calvary and skirmish tactics. Multiple wall layers and citizens themselves figthing in skirmish in narrow alleys around main streets. Then also they have few essence cannons against any major threat.<br>.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>Chiaroscuro's defenses are <em><em>exceedingly poor.</em></em>&nbsp; For a city the size that it is, it has little to defend itself with- the citizens aren't organized, and it has almost no First Age weaponry for its soldiers.&nbsp; The Essence Artillery consists of the following:<br>3 Medium Implosion Bows<br>2 Lightining Ballistae<br>1 Panic Projector.<br><br>In other words, basically none- certainly not the artillery park that a Realm Legion drags around.&nbsp; Throw in the fact that they barely know how to use them, and they're waiting to be taking as trophies.&nbsp; The only defense the city has is for the Delzahn to ride out and meet any attacking army.&nbsp; This usually works.<br><br>This time, they'll go up against Bone Ebony Lion.&nbsp; Bone Ebony Lion is a Celestial-level Exalted, who, since his soul escaped the Jade Prison, has studied how to make war.&nbsp; His army consists of violent, sometime warped nomads led by the ghosts of great warriors.&nbsp; The Delzahn will meet them in battle to defend their city, and <em>and will get their asses kicked between their ears.</em><br><br>Meanwhile, back in the city, the whole place will be in flames.&nbsp; The manses under the city will be broken, setting the earth to rumbling, fire sweeping through the mud huts of the old city, and the whole bit.&nbsp; In Old Chiaroscuro, <em>The water will stop flowing.</em>&nbsp; There will be riots and chaos in the streets, as death cults <em>murder people at random.</em>&nbsp; This was all put into place before the war even started.&nbsp; A massive manse will explode, <em>creating a massive shadowland.</em>&nbsp; Bone Ebony Lion's army will show up, restore order- since his friends caused the problem, then they can set it to right pretty easily- and install their circlemate as the king of a <em>kingdom of the dead and damned.</em><br><br>Well, except for the fact that you've all twigged to it.&nbsp; <br><br>As to how to get you guys into the plot- perhaps a mysterious person invites you two and Gears to have tea in a popular spot.&nbsp; That person doesn't show up, but it's not hard for all three of you to spot each other, size each other up, and compare notes on the situation.&nbsp; (Pumpkin, I do hope you don't mind getting dragged slightly to facilitate this.)&nbsp; Also, since Kitsune, our nre friend, is a pirate, perhaps she smuggled you in?&nbsp; This is Creation, after all- strange coincidences do happen every couple of weeks.&nbsp; All four of you at a teahouse, with a seemingly serious problem.&nbsp; Muse- perhaps you could be heading in and stop off for a drink?&nbsp; Madder could pretty easily invite herself to the party.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>26-07-2011, 00:52:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, sounds bit cliche to meet all others in same tavern thanks mysterious invitation to tea when host does not show up :P. But I am up for it ;). At least it is workable cliche. So should we start the game perhaps from that point? Meet everyone in same tavern and all ivnited by mysterious host who does not show up?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>26-07-2011, 01:01:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's cliche, but we need something to start the party. *Laughs*&nbsp; <br><br>We could start the whole game there- at the very least, I think it needs it;s own IC thread.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>26-07-2011, 01:02:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, it needs own thread. I am up for it, but the invitation must be juicy bait as possible or perhaps it is related to one my former contacts/allies in the city and so Shizune has reason to trust it instead smell it as Wyld Hunt trap. But I would be curious why patron has/will not show :P. I smell sidereal candle here.....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>28-07-2011, 11:57:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, is Kit-chan coming?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>28-07-2011, 12:28:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, is this a good scene to write?&nbsp; <br><br>A sermon to oblivion is behind held at the base of the manse for a Death Knight too work the evils of abyssal performance charms on more people.&nbsp; Koshak and some soldiers in disguise come to attend the sermon, shake off it's effects and battle the Death Knight while other PCs and their retainers attempt to remove the prayer strips?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>28-07-2011, 15:46:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds good to me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>28-07-2011, 18:28:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just advance note that I will be away from keyboard from friday to sunday. Going to Ropecon here at Finland.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>30-07-2011, 23:58:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, you're all invited, and, as ST, I do ask your characters to show up- it'll be easier for everyone involved.<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=114961.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=114961.0)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 13:06:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ach!&nbsp; And I thought I finaly had a handle on what to write!&nbsp; <br><br>*Groans*&nbsp; <br><br>Okay, boss, is this scene supposed to take place before the undead invasion?&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 20:28:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well before it- we just seemed to not have an easy way to get everyone together to fight the invasion.&nbsp; I think your idea still fits, though/.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 20:36:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Maybe we could set it after the battle we are detailing in the histories?&nbsp; We could tone down the Abyssals attempted invasion since they discovered that they would be facing a troupe of Celestials.&nbsp; That reduction in scale would allow us to bring in Zaer, Kitsune and Ananasi without too much hassle.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 22:06:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ya, I think we could have all reacted to the battle on our own.&nbsp; The abyssals wouldn't have been expecting this level of resistance, so their attack fell apart.&nbsp; Any pre-battle meeting would have lots of strategy discussion which is frankly pointless given that we win the battle by default.&nbsp; I would much rather the discussion be about the new order we want to establish in the city.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 22:19:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If that makes sense to folks, sure- let's get through to the end of the battle, then come back to this- though, that does mean we need to get to the end of the battle- so, do we need prodding on my end, or can you guys see your way to that end from where you stand now?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pumpkin Seeds</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 22:27:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Muse is up in regard to that since he is the military punch to our group.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 23:15:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure- maybe a post about driving the abyssals from the manses, and then a post or two about the actual attack?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 23:54:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hi, back from Ropecon. Had fun, tired and hungry. But I got meet Frank Metzen in front of pub and have chat, join one his games and get autograph and be two his seminars where he told about himself and second one focused on history of DnD.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 03:12:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg5005126#msg5005126">Quote from: AlexStone on 31-07-2011, 23:15:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sure- maybe a post about driving the abyssals from the manses, and then a post or two about the actual attack?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Works for me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 09:43:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll shoot for something going by dawn.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 17:57:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Looks like I'm about to be out of town 'til Wednesday, a fact that was poorly communicated to me 'til today.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 18:30:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's okay, Muse- we'll try to fill in the time.&nbsp; Do people have ideas for posts, to help wrap things up, or would people like suggestions?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 19:27:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would like suggestions for Shizune regarding the two battle posts. Still pondering opening post for tea house.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Anansi</strong> on <strong>01-08-2011, 19:56:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg5008583#msg5008583">Quote from: AlexStone on 01-08-2011, 18:30:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's okay, Muse- we'll try to fill in the time.&nbsp; Do people have ideas for posts, to help wrap things up, or would people like suggestions?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, I kind of already did Lodestar's post.&nbsp; During the battle, she's shepherding civilians to safety and dealing with the rank-and-file enemies.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AlexStone</strong> on <strong>03-08-2011, 22:30:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=111187.msg5008789#msg5008789">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-08-2011, 19:27:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I would like suggestions for Shizune regarding the two battle posts. Still pondering opening post for tea house.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, in terms of the battle, you could pretty easily show up at the fight and be an artillery piece.&nbsp; Or join up with Madder and Gears to fight the manse raiders.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Exalted] The Glorious Bulwark Against the Sundering Tide.  OOC: Discussion.</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Muse</strong> on <strong>10-08-2011, 03:02:14</strong>
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				A friend of mine since high school died today.&nbsp; <br><br>I'll be around, and writing.&nbsp; It keeps me going.&nbsp; Just wanted to let you all know both that I am still here and why I'm having issues.&nbsp; 
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