[EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]
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				Title: <strong>[EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadySheikah</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 15:57:52</strong>
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				&nbsp;Living Among Wolves [IC] (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=78141.0)<br>&nbsp;Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets] (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=78142.0)<br>&nbsp;Living Among Wolves [Join the RP] (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=76883.0)<br><br><div align="center"><span style="font-size: 2em;" class="bbc_size">Pack One <strong>Enfants de la Lune</strong></span><br><strong>Pack Den:</strong>(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Sol-Koro/904-905FINALwWM-RES.jpg)<br><strong>Pack Income:</strong> What ever they make from the "Parties"<br><strong>Pack Savings $$:</strong> Thought to be in the high millions maybe low billions. The Alphas before Lohanis made sure there pack would be taken care of.<br><strong>Pack Territory:</strong> Bay View City<br><br>This pack enjoys a rather normal human life. Over 100s of years growing to be one of the riches pack in history, often hosting random "Sex Parties" to fell there strong sexual needs; that include both werewolves and humans. They swore to keep there clan a secrete and is seen as a great sin for one to tell a human about what they truly are. The Clan mostly lives together in a large seven bedroom condo near the ocean and enjoy a high class life.<br><br>Alpha Male: <strong>Lohanis</strong> <span class="bbc_u">played by Travaius </span><br>Alpha Female: <strong>Alexandria</strong> <span class="bbc_u">played by LadySheikah</span><br>Beta Male: <strong>Marcoth Talos</strong> played by <span class="bbc_u">MarcothTalos</span><br>Beta Female: <strong>Sara </strong><span class="bbc_u">played by AbandonedDolly</span> <br>Male Subordinate:<strong> Tavi </strong><span class="bbc_u">played by Loki Aesir</span><br>Female Subordinate: <strong>Lexine "Lexi"</strong> played by <span class="bbc_u">Eternity</span><br>Omega: <br><span style="font-size: 2em;" class="bbc_size"><br>Enemy Pack: <strong>Blood Runners</strong></span><br><strong>Pack Den:</strong>(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Sol-Koro/ghetto.jpg)<br><strong>Pack Income:</strong> What ever they can pull from the streets<br><strong>Pack Savings $$:</strong> Low millions maybe, the pack is still growing so its hard to tell.<br><strong>Pack Territory:</strong> Down town Bay View.<br><br>The Blood Runners are are rather new pack....this clan living the same way there kind did 1000s of years ago, and still enjoys the taste of human flesh. The seek to take over <strong>Enfants de la Lune</strong> territory and so called "Hunting Ground." They are still feral minded for the most part and think that <strong>Enfants de la Lune</strong> is growing to weak for there own good...more so because <strong>Lohanis</strong> took a human as his mate only to bring a newly turned werewolf in as his packs Alpha Female.&nbsp; <br><br>Alpha Male:<strong>Calvin</strong> <span class="bbc_u">Played by CrazyIvan</span><br>Alpha Female:<strong> Musetta "Muse"</strong> played by <span class="bbc_u">The Golden Touch</span><br>Beta Male:<strong> Dekoth</strong> <span class="bbc_u">Played by Travaius</span><br>Beta Female: <strong>Soleil White</strong> Played by<span class="bbc_u"> LadyDiscord</span><br>Male Subordinate:<br>Female Subordinate: <br>Omega: <br></div>
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				Title: <strong>About Werewolves</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadySheikah</strong> on <strong>06-08-2010, 16:06:00</strong>
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				<div align="center">Werewolves 101 (according to me)</div><br><br>About Werewolves<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; They are simply humans with the ability to shift into a werewolf or wolf. To some, its the other way around. The human is actually their mask, or camouflage. It is what keeps them safe from man (who they believe are the real enemies), though not all werewolves believe in this.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Werewolves have two basic forms, the feral (wolf) form, which is the natural wolf to blend in better with nature and their ancestors, then there is the anthro form, which is the bipedal werewolf form.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Werewolves take pride in their heritage and prefer to live in the wild like their ancestors, the wolves, do. Some prefer to live in packs, others on their own. They need to stay safe from humanity and their identities must be kept secret.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br><br>Werewolf Mythology<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;According to very old legends, werewolves used to be regular wolves, who were the guardians of men. Even though they loved men, they envied them and their ability to walk and speak and do all the things they never could.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;So wolf stood up, and became man, and mimicked them, and behaved like them, but it wasn't enough. They became so jealous they prayed to the moon and to mother nature, asking her to grant them the ability to be human (this is where the moon myth comes from). Finally, they got their wish and thus, the werewolf was born. A creature who could take the shape of both human and beast, and be both in harmony.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;After a while, man became jealous of the werewolf's strength and abilities and cast them out, which is why now the werewolves no longer associate with humans. Thousands of years past, and the humans forgot about the wolves, and began hunting and killing them for meat and for pleasure. This angered the wolves and caused to attack, but realizing that the abilities they wished for came with a price, and caused the humans who were bitten to become like them. They also realized that their children were born human. Every gift must come with a price.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The wolves retreated more into the wild, cutting themselves off completely from the human society and man grew to be the dominant creature on the planet.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Now in modern days, the werewolves continue to stay hidden in the wild, living as both man and beast. Some live closer to civilization and even in it, in secret. And some wolves (even the ones we see in the wild) don't even know they have the ability to shift into a human. Some do, some don't, but all are connected to each other.<br><br><br>Differences Between Werewolves and Wolves<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Can walk upright like a human, as well as on all fours<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Body is built more like a humans and matches their anatomy for both male and female<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Can speak human tongue clearly (their voice does not change with the transformation). This is harder but possible in their feral (wolf) form<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Paws have a more human hand shape to them and they can grab, point, gesture, even play a musical instrument!<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * When standing (bipedal like a human), they can easily reach up to 10 feet tall<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Very strong muscular structure, and obviously bigger than regular wolves (even on all fours)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Their faces can have character and personality. For instance, regular wolves can't wink, frown or smile<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Werewolves can take the form of a normal every day sized wolf (fural form) to blend in, though they are still larger than an average wolf<br><br><br><br>Differences Between Werewolves and Humans<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Can heal extremely fast<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o Cuts, scrapes and bruises heal within hours, very small cuts such as paper-cuts within minutes<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o Large gashes, gunshot wounds and serious stabs heal within a day<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; o Unfortunately, loss of fingers and limbs do not heal<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Has super strength; can easily lift a small car and toss it, jump very high, and run fast (even in human form)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Heightened senses; hearing, sight, smell, etc.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Incredible night vision, even while in human form<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Immortality<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Cannot be killed unless the brain is disconnected from the body, the heart is physically removed from the body or burnt with fire<br><br><br><br>Werewolf Myths<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Silver, crosses, holy water, etc., cannot harm a werewolf<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Werewolves have control over their shifts, the full moon has no effect<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * They are not mindless monsters controlled by lust for blood or have savage animal instincts like in the movies, they are simply humans with the ability to shape shift into a wolf or werewolf. Their human mind has complete control of the wolf. (Although blood can trigger desires. They are, after all, carnivores)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Werewolves don't have gory transformations like the movies, the transformations are quick and sometimes painful, unless they do it often. The longer you go without shifting, the more painful the transformation is<br><br><br><br>How to Become a Werewolf<br><br>You are either born or 'reborn'.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;It isn't a curse. More like a disease, but then again, not really. It's considered more to be a blessing. The only way you are turned or 'reborn' is to, of course, be bit by a werewolf. But, this not just any bite, it needs to be a strong bite, giving the chance of plenty saliva (or venom, which carries the gene) to be mixed well with your own blood.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Turning involves biting down hard and allowing plenty of saliva to seep on an area where the blood flow to the heart is fast and constant, such as the neck or wrist. It takes a few seconds to reach the heart from there, but once it does, it takes about a minute to completely circulate through a humans body. Usually before a bite, a werewolves mouth fills up with the amount needed, causing them to almost drool. This usually ensures a better chance of a successful transformation.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The werewolf will make a deep incision with his fangs--allowing the saliva to move freely from his/her mouth--closing their lips around the wound to keep it contained. This can be difficult if the human moves around in pain too much.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;As this is happening, their werewolf genes will mix with yours. It takes a moment after it cycles a few times--assuming the process worked--until the transformation begins, starting with the bite wound completely healing. Then the human will make a full transformation to their default form (anthro), and the first time is always the most painful.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;If no transformation happens, it means either not enough venom was given, or their blood wasn't healthy. If this happens, a transformation will never happen, and that person is now incapable of changing. A bite after that would be ineffective, and the human would most likely carry that scar for the rest of their life.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This process is still dangerous because if done carelessly or incorrectly (such as too much blood loss), it can kill a human.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;When you first shift, all of your senses are turned on, and are very overwhelming. During the first few months after being turned, you may have certain urges to get on all fours, sniff things, howl, growl, and even have a craving for all things bloody. At first, controlling your shifting capabilities can be difficult, but once you get used to them, you learn what turns them on or off, as well as your control over your senses. Over time, you will take complete control over all your abilities and of course, change at will.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The moon has no power over your transformations. However, in the presence of the full moon, werewolves feel much more comfortable and are more venerable to changing.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;It is also tradition around full moon for werewolf packs to change and hunt like their animal ancestors.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Werewolves from birth are usually much stronger than those that are 'reborn' because obviously not all the genes transfer from the sire.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;If you were attacked or bitten, it won't be enough to change you, which means that all transformations are usually deliberate. They can't 'accidentally' change someone, which means people are usually chosen or volunteer to become a werewolf. If it did happen with a simple bite or a scratch, you'd think we'd have an epidemic on our hands.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This also means you can't become a werewolf through sexual intercourse.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br><br><br>Puberty/Wolf Maturity<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Those who were born as werewolves don't reach full 'wolf maturity' until they reach puberty, which is somewhere between the age of 11 and 14. When they reach that point, their body starts to change rapidly, their urges to transform start to show more and more, almost uncontrollably. At this point, they may only be able to partially shift, showing maybe only fur and fangs.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Just like normal teenagers deal with hormones and changes, werewolves deal with them as well, only they are intensified. The desire to mate, changes in voices, changes in physical size, and of course, the desire to hunt and feed (which can be easily controlled by ones will).<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;As soon they become aware of the source and understand to control it, they finally are able to change completely to a werewolf (both their feral and anthro form).<br><br><br>Packs<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Werewolf packs live in groups together, usually in small rural areas. They can be any number from 4 to up to 100 with a hierarchy. The majority of werewolves live and blend in with normal humans, but they do not separate too far from each other. They have jobs, go to school, pay taxes, and live like normal law abiding citizens (for the most part).<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Some werewolves packs live absolutely traditional, meaning they never shift to their human skin. They live in their feral forms all the time, dwelling in the mountains and forests with real wolves. This practice is long but extinct, but there are still werewolves out there who prefer to avoid the costly lifestyle that comes with being a human.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Packs are composed of several status' of leadership. Alpha male, beta male, the mid-rank, and omega. Each part is significant and important in the success of the pack.<br><br><br>Roles in a Pack<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;These roles are done in a traditional way, the way their great ancestor wolves did it. Of course, with modern human lifestyles, they are slightly different. These roles in the pack are strict, but not permanent, they can always change. The higher the rank, the more in control you are. In a wolf pack there is no equal.<br><br>Alpha Male<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;In order to become the alpha male (or pack leader), you must have been born a werewolf. Most of the time the alpha is chosen according to age or popular vote. If there is a dispute other males display a ritual battle to prove your strength. Whoever walks away alive or less wounded becomes the leader. It is a dangerous game. Most of the time, modern packs discuss leadership in a civil matter.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Once you are nominated alpha, you and your mate (if there is one) are the primary decision makers of the pack. The alpha female can also give orders and has authority over all except the alpha male. They call the shots, address the issues, make changes in leadership roles, and asses threats to the pack.<br><br>Beta Male<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The beta is second in charge, and answers only to the alpha, and has dominance over all under him. He is the one put in charge when the alpha is gone, or when extra help is needed in governing a peaceful pack. He dominates over the mid-ranking members (or subordinates).<br><br>Mid-rank<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;These make up for the general population of the pack, male and females. They obey and help the pack when needed. They are especially helpful for numbers during hunting.<br><br>Omega<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The lowest ranking member(s) (can be male or female, or both). They aren't often treated with respect. They usually spend time trying to avoid contact with high ranked members and try to avoid drawing attention to themselves. They are actually lower rank then children. They must obey and yield to all the other adults living in the pack.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This rank is chosen by majority, and is usually given to the most unpopular members of the pack. They aren't even allowed to breed unless the alpha gives permission. Even with the harsh position, it doesn't mean they are worthless. Every member in the pack has a purpose.<br><br><br>Identifying a Pack<br><br>It's easy to spot a werewolf pack if you know what to look for:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * Big houses with multiple families living in them; brothers, sisters, grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunts, siblings, etc.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * They disappear around the full moon to go and do ritual moon runs and hunting.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; * All are usually shy and reserved, and very rarely hang out with normal human families. They pretty much shun being social with humans all together. Even children are advised to only make friends and hang out with wolves of other packs, though some packs are more relaxed with their rules.<br><br><br><br>Marriage and Relationships<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;In addition to leading the pack and various other responsibilities, the alpha male can choose a mate (wife) from any eligible female in the pack, as long as she has reached maturity. The females usually have no say in the matter, especially if its the alpha male. Tradition is that if they are chosen by the alpha, they must oblige or suffer a severe punishment, but most packs aren't so primitive.<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The main function for a female in a relationship is to give birth to plenty of strong pure-bred children and to help raise them. She can also assist the leader in any duties he allows her. Most, if not all marriages between pack leaders and their wives are very loving, long lasting relationships.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mid-rank members also have special relationships. Marriages are actually normal. Ceremony, reception, and honeymoon. Of course, werewolves have other own unique traditions.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Mid-rank members can marry any member they wish, as long as they aren't already spoken for, and as long as they aren't pure human. (Dating or falling in love with a human is strictly against the rules and can lead to severe punishment.)<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Females are treated with the utmost respect in a pack. They are considered "goddesses". The males feel very dominant and protective over their females, whether they are in a relationship with them or not. Females can give orders as long as its not the alpha male or female. They can also hold high responsibilities in a pack.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;There is no homosexuality of any kind in a wolf pack. Gender "roles" are set in stone naturally from birth. Their packs are family centered, with mothers and fathers and children as the most important unit. Having a mate of the opposite sex to breed with is crucial for their survival.<br><br><br>Mating/Sex<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Traditionally, sexual intercourse is done for the specific purpose of bringing young ones into the world, and only the alpha male and female have the children in the pack. But, in the world of humans, that is difficult to do, so sexual intercourse (like human nature) is both recreational and for creating offspring.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; When wolves mate, they can do it in any form (anthro, feral or human), though most prefer to do it in human form. And of course, its as normal as anyone would think it is.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Just like regular wolves, werewolves have cycles of heat, in which they have a strong desire to mate. This usually happens only with the females, but with most werewolves, the men have cycles of heat too, which occur once a year, usually in the winter time. This heat cycle normally lasts five to ten days.<br><br><br>Breeding/Pregnancy<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Females can get pregnant in any form. Just like real wolves, they can have a small litter (usually two or three, but no more than four), which are born human.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;When it comes to the actual birthing process, some find it it is best to do it in human or anthro form because of the size of the children. Birthing is painful (especially with multiples) as it is with humans, but werewolves cannot die during childbirth, so the fear of getting pregnant regularly and having large families is eliminated.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;A pregnancy for a female werewolf is shorter than the 9 months a human would normally have. Werewolves grow rapidly the first few years, so the gestation can be as short as 3 months or sometimes longer depending on how many babies the female is carrying.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; If werewolves and humans breed, the werewolf gene can sometimes transfer to the unborn child, but it is rare. This can be dangerous if the female is human. If the child does get the werewolf gene, then her pregnancy will be the 3 month gestation (like a werewolf's), which can harm both the mother and the baby. A humans body isn't equipped for such a quick gestation, so a miscarriage is likely to happen. And also like werewolves, the possibility of having multiples increases, which puts the human mother at even more risk, but it is almost impossible for human female to successfully birth multiples.<br><br><br>Children/Pups<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;They are loved and adored by all the members of the pack. They are born human and they are raised like normal humans, but still respected and loved like part of the family. They discover the ability to shift later in life (around 3 years of age), but don't reach full wolf maturity until puberty.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Unlike human children, werewolves grow much faster than humans, in fact, they grow 5 times faster than humans, but slow down when they get to be the size of a toddler. From there, they age normally.<br><br>Even though they aren't the real parents, the entire pack has say in how a child is raised.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 00:57:24</strong>
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				-Goes flop, eyeballing her post-<br><br>It'll have to do.&nbsp; Ah well.<br><br>-Waits for the others-
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				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 01:36:51</strong>
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				I liked it. It was a good post&nbsp; ;D
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				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 01:48:02</strong>
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				I agree. I don't have much patience writing huge posts.
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				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 02:02:34</strong>
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				Thanks, both of you.&nbsp; I like both of your's!&nbsp; Now I just have to decide if she's going to toss the Beta out on his tail for speaking to her so, or go find Calvin.&nbsp; Oh the options. &gt;&gt;;;;;
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				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 02:14:49</strong>
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				Lol! Don't toss him to hard &lt;poor thing&gt; if you decide to. And thank you ^^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadySheikah</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 02:21:58</strong>
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				Yay! I just got off work...now I can post ^.^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 04:40:30</strong>
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				No door breaking sadly. &gt;&lt;;;;
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:05:23</strong>
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				Lol! I really like your character, nothing like a female with an vendetta.
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				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:16:11</strong>
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				Heh, thanks.&nbsp; I appreciate it. ^ ^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:47:23</strong>
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				is it just me or is the alpha's of blood runners dislike by everyone? I thought yeah they might not like get along all the time, but they seem to be pretty much hated by the whole pack, or is that just me?
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				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:48:55</strong>
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				I don't hate you. ^^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:52:20</strong>
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				It isn't whether you hate us, but the fact that all the characters are disloyal.&nbsp; The pack, with two of members wanting the alphas out, and together could probably do some serious hurt... The pack might collapse within itself if that did happen.&nbsp; Less about decimating the Enfants, and more about one upping those above them.&nbsp; I am not trying to be rude, point figures, or what have you... But every post I've read tonight, minus the ones having to do with Lohanis and Alex, and your's Lady... Makes me less and less enthused about roleplaying as an Alpha that has to fight her pack every step of the way.
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				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 06:59:48</strong>
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				And most of all I seem to have a beta, which is someone who I should be able to trust and count one somewhat like a brother or second in command when I am not there, that is disloyal. That seems a bit odd that my second in command on the male side below the alphas is someone who instead of trusting I should be watching all the time.
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				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:00:45</strong>
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				I understand. I think and I say this on my behalf is that being that we're the most feral out of the two packs, not to mention the packs strong desire for dominance&nbsp; over the other leads less unified approach towards the packs goal if you get my drift. Basically beasts don't like retreating. Beasts question authority I guess, but loyal is what makes a pack a pack. However it could prove interesting and I don't think my character is disloyal.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:08:24</strong>
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				I have read your posts, Lady.&nbsp; All your character thinks, is that she agrees atleast a little with the Omega's thoughts, but isn't foolish enough to go against Calvin and Musette.&nbsp; Who knows? She could end up that way for all I know.&nbsp; What I am saying, is that consistent disloyalty, and fighting will get them all killed.&nbsp; Fighting amongst them leads to weak links, etc... And its so much easier to pull apart a pack when the members aren't instinctively on one wave length.&nbsp; Feral or not... They know when they are beat.&nbsp; Even feral animals are smart enough to get a clue.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:14:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Though I might be wrong, this is just my understand of what the setting is suppose to be. Werewolves, are somewhat beasts but have the intelligence of humans. Through the Blood Runners follow the old ways, that doesn't make use feral in the regard that people are trying to back stab the alphas. After all <strong>"They are simply humans with the ability to shift into a werewolf or wolf. To some, its the other way around."</strong><br><br>as well as:<br><br><strong>"They are not mindless monsters controlled by lust for blood or have savage animal instincts like in the movies, they are simply humans with the ability to shape shift into a wolf or werewolf. Their human mind has complete control of the wolf. (Although blood can trigger desires. They are, after all, carnivores)"</strong><br><br>I think this meant that they all at least respected and were loyal enough to follow him as leader and alpha:<br><br><strong>"Alpha Male<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;In order to become the alpha male (or pack leader), you must have been born a werewolf. Most of the time the alpha is chosen according to age or popular vote. If there is a dispute other males display a ritual battle to prove your strength. Whoever walks away alive or less wounded becomes the leader. It is a dangerous game. Most of the time, modern packs discuss leadership in a civil matter.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; Once you are nominated alpha, you and your mate (if there is one) are the primary decision makers of the pack. The alpha female can also give orders and has authority over all except the alpha male. They call the shots, address the issues, make changes in leadership roles, and asses threats to the pack."</strong><br><br>This is why a beta would be loyal otherwise he wouldn't be beta:<br><br><strong>"Beta Male<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The beta is second in charge, and answers only to the alpha, and has dominance over all under him. He is the one put in charge when the alpha is gone, or when extra help is needed in governing a peaceful pack. He dominates over the mid-ranking members (or subordinates)."</strong><br><br>Also:<br><br><strong>"Omega<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The lowest ranking member(s) (can be male or female, or both). They aren't often treated with respect. They usually spend time trying to avoid contact with high ranked members and try to avoid drawing attention to themselves. They are actually lower rank then children. They must obey and yield to all the other adults living in the pack.<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This rank is chosen by majority, and is usually given to the most unpopular members of the pack. They aren't even allowed to breed unless the alpha gives permission. Even with the harsh position, it doesn't mean they are worthless. Every member in the pack has a purpose."</strong><br><br>even in wolf packs the omega is still part of the family and not hated, they are still family and will be protected and are important.<br><br>I am just pointing these out since our pack as far as I can tell right now seems less traditional in this setting and more like the myths about them. Werewolves in this setting are merely humans that can shape shift, not feral beasts. At least that was my understanding of the setting.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:20:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll have to go back and read what I wrote because my intention was not to lead towards disloyalty. The only thing I intended for my character to convey concerning Morrigan's comment was that she <em>should</em>(like where the hell was she anyway!?) of been there in hopes that the job got done and that she does know better than to be nothing else but loyal. That's all. Her thoughts&nbsp; might be reluctant, but that doesn't make her disloyal and again I'm only speaking for my character.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:38:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=78142.msg3428807#msg3428807">Quote from: CrazyIvan on 07-08-2010, 07:14:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Though I might be wrong, this is just my understand of what the setting is suppose to be. Werewolves, are somewhat beasts but have the intelligence of humans. Through the Blood Runners follow the old ways, that doesn't make use feral in the regard that people are trying to back stab the alphas. After all <strong>"They are simply humans with the ability to shift into a werewolf or wolf. To some, its the other way around."</strong><br><br>"If they are <span class="bbc_u">'simply' humans</span> then disloyalty isn't a farfetched idea" even if they are traditional werewolves. It depends how one looks at it.<br>as well as:<br><br><strong>"They are not mindless monsters controlled by lust for blood or have savage animal instincts like in the movies, they are simply humans with the ability to shape shift into a wolf or werewolf. Their human mind has complete control of the wolf. (Although blood can trigger desires. They are, after all, carnivores)"</strong><br><br>I think this meant that they all at least respected and were loyal enough to follow him as leader and alpha:<br><br>And I think it means they have the ability to make up their own minds, strike ideas, and free wills even if they are a pack. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Honestly, I think everyone has their own understanding of this roleplay. You may look at that as rules and I may look at it as guidelines. LS didn't post any regulations about it (I don't think) which is why things might be a bit misconstrued.<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 07:53:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I did not call your character disloyal, in fact... You were the only one that posted something I didn't want to throw my hands up at.&nbsp; I wouldn't want to be an Alpha of a pack that cannot come together against a common enemy.&nbsp; Even with freewill, or having ideas... There is common sense.&nbsp; Musette should have beat the shit of her Beta for talking to her like that, but if that happened... Half the pack would be out of commission on injury.<br><br>That would suck. &gt;&gt;;;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:01:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just wanted to get the generalizations sorted before continuing, but alrighty. I'm cool with it and yes it would suck, but you know what else would suck?To have your character be a complete a** Kisser to (not that I'm saying that's what you both want). Just as long as we don't have go down that road I'm fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:03:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ass kissers need not apply, thanks.&nbsp; What I want to try and happen, is a functioning pack that is more family, less a bunch of kids fling dirt at each other.&nbsp; Metaphor only, not truth.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:08:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So you want an organized pack family? I can do that. You'll have to communicate that to the others if you want to get some results around here ^^.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:16:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, which is mostly why I posted here.&nbsp; I imagine that people will read it eventually.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:45:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's focus on making everbody's dreams come true since everybody has their own plans for this roleplay.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:50:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am trying to follow the plot line and dethrone the opposing pack with mine.&nbsp; But we don't have a pack, we have a bunch of people vying for leadership.&nbsp; If I wanted a dream, I'd have killed the Beta like I should have as an Alpha.&nbsp; Disloyalty, nay-saying... Death is the only answer, as an example to the rest not to mess with the Alphas.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 08:59:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yup and all that can be and much more. I think everyone is following the whole conquest and conquer part of the play, but others shall eventually try to do what they want and you can't kill off someone else's character without permission if that's not what they have planned (at least not mine).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 09:03:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's the key definition of a dream... Its what I <em>would</em> have done. What an Alpha would do, and what I can do within the limits of a roleplay are limited to threatening, and beating the shit of him.&nbsp; Which is hard as it is, because godmoding is highly frowned upon.&nbsp; We'll see anyways... We'll either work the kinks out as a pack, or not.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 09:31:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, but you mentioned killing earlier too. I have never been a roleplay where there was anarchy type of character(s) or whatever that was respected 100% by all said characters.<br><br>Just because ( unless stated otherwise) All the horses and men belonged to the King, doesn't mean that all of them have to be loyal. It says that nowhere. It may be expected, but expect the unexpected!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 09:46:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				When I mentioned killing, I mean as an Alpha, if you get consistent disloyalty, eventually... You have to put a stop to it.&nbsp; Because if you let one run around spouting ideas against the strongest, you have to prove that you still rule.&nbsp; I'm not going to kill anyone!&nbsp; I can't, unless the creator lets us kill each other, which is unlikely.&nbsp; Besides, my wants and dreams as a real Alpha have nothing to do with what we were trying to say.<br><br>We felt that we started out with a lot of hate towards us, and a broken pack.&nbsp; No one wants to play in a game where they might as well bend over and let people fuck them left, right and sideways.&nbsp; I don't care honestly, but don't badmouth and then expect me not to kick someone in the teeth... Because if that's what is going to take to keep a pack in line as an Alpha... I will.&nbsp; Power through tyranny... ^ ^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Tydorei</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 19:27:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hm... I'm sorry, I think I may have been the cause of this dispute here... with my one post. lol. But honestly, I expected Dekoth to put my character in her place for speaking out like she did. Especially with her being the omega and him the beta.<br><br>And also, if you look at what Dekoth said, and not what his thoughts might be, he never *says* he disagrees with the alphas. In fact, he expects Calvin to discipline him should Muse tell him of their little dispute. He also tells my character to keep her mouth shut because I have no place to even voice my opinion. And that he is surprised I would even say such a thing around him, yet alone not stick together with borns... Besides, it seems Dekoth is loyal to his mate, who in turn is loyal to the bloodrunners.<br><br>My character on the other hand is pretty much what Solie said in one of her post. Spiteful that she is Omega. She basically said her comment to vent, for at the time, with someone who got disciplined for speaking their mind. Stuff that usually happens to her. She doesn't support Dekoth for alpha, since he is a bitten and should be lower than herself.<br><br>But really, I think ya'll are making this a bigger issue than it actually is... In the Enfants De Luna pack, Lohanis and Marcoth don't see eye to eye either. As described in Marcoths post, there was arguing AND muscle strutting just to turn Alex. Also, Lohanis has a hard time controlling Marcoth as well and its basically his mates job to do that. Kinda like Dekoth and Solie.<br><br>Blah... I'm not good at arguing... but Morrigan is a complicated character. I would not say she is disloyal to the bloodrunners... she is related to most of the borns anyway. (or should be.) <br><br>Plus, someone just joined the game, on the bloodrunner side. He sounds extra loyal...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>SinXAzgard21</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 19:47:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My wolves are either alpha's or enforcers... Wolves are loyal by nature... and same goes for Lycans... They 'may' appear to have a human side but in the end they are beasts.... Loyalty is either earned or enforced with lycans, unless you really want to be eaten that badly.&nbsp; Power is all that matters to wolves, if you can't hack it then move aside or you will be moved.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 20:11:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know, and I am fine with what has happened so far. As their plan did kinda of fail a bit so it is like in a family when something doesn't go well people get upset and sometimes forgot things. But I wanted it to be that, like a family argument sort of things of that made any sense. Yes if Muse does bring it up to Calvin, or if anyone threats or forgets their place, Calvin will put you down with force and make you remember why he is in charge.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>SinXAzgard21</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:02:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My big question... what are we doing about deaths...... Because if this is just going to be a maim and run game.... Its going to get boring.&nbsp; To give an example.... What if one of the wolves is cornered by three of the opposing packs wolves?&nbsp; They'll put up a damn good fight but they ain't getting away from that alive.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Tydorei</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:14:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would think, in a situation like that, the player would have to agree to being killed... but since they even got in that situation, they should be okay with the inevitable outcome... If the player insists on not dieing, then I suppose a hostage situation could occur...<br><br>But yes, the game would get lame if it turns into maim and run games. I don't think the game will turn into that though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>SinXAzgard21</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:18:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't think everyone's character would agree on a 'hostage situation'
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:22:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The hostage thing sounds good to me. If it comes to term, but we'll cross that bridge when we get their and your right Tydorei it really isn't that serious.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>SinXAzgard21</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:27:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Umm, with Calvin's last post for hunting in the other packs turf, It sounds like he is planning on kill at least one of them... I don't think hostage situations are going to be negotiated lol.&nbsp; But what ever you all want... I'm basing my character (since he was born a wolf) off of what real wolves would do, just makes more sense to me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 21:40:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's whatever to me, I'm an action junkie anyway. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 22:15:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I plan one killing something, but not a wolf, just some rich people to have for dinner.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadySheikah</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 22:26:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All the plotting.....lol
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadyDiscord</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 22:44:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was thinking that same thing. About how tired they were of eating bony humans when they could go uptown for a nice meal.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>CrazyIvan</strong> on <strong>07-08-2010, 23:09:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep now I just need golden to post, so I can and then assemble the pack to go out on one big hunt&nbsp; ;D 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>LadySheikah</strong> on <strong>08-08-2010, 18:12:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thinking about throwing a twist into the RP a little late. Kind of got hooked on a Myth I just remembered that my great grandmother use to tell me. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Tydorei</strong> on <strong>11-08-2010, 08:51:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I won't be able to post until 8 pm central time thursday. Thought I'd let you all know.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>The Golden Touch</strong> on <strong>13-08-2010, 09:02:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Everyone:<br><br>I am withdrawing as Alpha Female.&nbsp; Thank you for your patience, and I wish you all luck.<br><br>The Golden Touch
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [EX] Living Among Wolves [OOC and Character Sheets]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>SinXAzgard21</strong> on <strong>13-08-2010, 09:05:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have decided to leave the game.&nbsp; If you have questions, feel free to PM me.&nbsp; Thanks.
			</dd>
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