A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC
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		<h2 id="linktree">Play-By-Post: Extreme =&gt; Extreme Small Groups =&gt; Topic started by: ulthakptah on 16-12-2010, 20:18:48</h2>
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				Title: <strong>A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-12-2010, 20:18:48</strong>
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				Intrest thread (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=91770.0)<br>Recruiting (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=119225.0)<br>In character thread (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.0)<br>Sheets/OOC thread (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.0)<br><br>Post sheets here<br><del><br>Maylea (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=266418)<br>Bael (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=239226)<br>Olard (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=266370)<br>Makanian Drenzigar (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=288512)<br>Momohime (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8373)<br>Triella Winters (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=330927)<br>Langley (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=329695)</del><br><br>Momohime (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9443)<br>Bael'reth-ruil (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=239226)<br>Nimreb Hasaf (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9472)<br>Millarca Karensten &nbsp;(http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331095) cohort (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331161)<br>Caerdain &nbsp;(http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9740) mount (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9742)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-12-2010, 20:52:18</strong>
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				Momohime <br>(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7189/3d22f9d44fa0cd6934d3fd0.th.png) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/3d22f9d44fa0cd6934d3fd0.png/)<br><br>Level 6 Immediate Wizardess/Duskblade<br>Ability scores: 16-16-15-18-14-12<br>Hp: 49-26+9+15<br>AC: 21 = 10+3 dex + 8 armor<br>Touch AC: 13<br>Flat footed: 15<br>Initiative: +3<br>Saves: 7/5/7<br>BAB/grapple: +6/+1;+9<br>Attack: +11/+6; +1 katana; 1d10+5<br>Skills: climb+7, concentration +11, craft wondrous items +12, decipher script +4, jump +10, know arcane +10, listen +3, spot +3, search +4, ride +3, sense motive +10, spellcraft +10, swim+3, use rope +7<br><br>Feats: Craft wonderous items, combat casting, weapon focus(katana), evocation resistance, eschew materials, spell focus(evocation)<br><br>Special ability: <br>counter fire<br>arcane attunement<br>(dancing lights, detect magic, flare, ghost sounds, read magic: 7/day)<br>arcane channeling<br>armored mage<br>quick cast 1/day<br><br>Equipment:<br>+1 mithril chainshirt with twilight - 5100gp<br>+1 spellstoring katana - 2350 gp<br>handy havorsack - 2000 gp<br>healing sash - 750 gp<br>bedroll - 1sp - 5<br>blanket - 5sp - 3<br>candle - 1 cp<br>ten flask - 10 sp<br>manacles,master work - 50 gp - 2<br>mirror - 10 gp - .5lb<br>ink - 8 gp<br>paper - 12 sp 4 sheets<br>rope, silk - 10 gp- 5<br>soap - 5 gp - 1 lb<br>water skin - 1 gp - 1 lb<br>tent - 5 gp - 10 lb<br><br>1200 gp left<br><br>languages: common, elvish, dwarfen, gnomish, underdark<br><br>Spells:<br>School focus: Evocation:<br>Prohibited schools: necro and divination<br><br>Spells known: all/7/5/4 - wizardess<br>spells known: 4/6/2- duskblade<br><br><br><br>0: all<br>1: mount, ray of flame,&nbsp; disguise self, enlarge person, animate rope, charm person, unseen servant, feather fall, shield, grease<br>2: invisibility, combust , blur,arcane lock, Bigby's warding hand, knock, animalistic power, flaming sphere , touch of idiocy<br>3: fireball, fly, slow, leomund tiny hut, suggestion, heroism, dragon skin<br><br>Per day: <br>Duskblade: 6-7-4<br>Wizard: 4-4-4-3<br><br>0: acid splash, disrupt undead, ray of frost, touch of fatique<br>1: resist energy, kelgores fire bolt, ray of enfeeblement, burning hands<br>2: dimensional hop, seeking ray<br><br>0: light(2), detect magic(2)<br>1: shield, enlarge person, ray of flame, ray of flame, feather fall.<br>2: combust, combust, bigby's warding hand, blur, animalistic power<br>3: fly, fireball, heroism, heroism. <br><br>arcane attunement:<br>(dancing lights, detect magic, flare, ghost sounds, read magic: 7/day)<br><br><strong>Loot: 800 gp, violet garnet, dragonhide gloves, gold lens.</strong><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2010, 21:06:54</strong>
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				sheet ---&gt;&nbsp; http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=261015 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=261015)<br><br>appearance ---&gt;&nbsp; http://promo.stunners.com/pic/carli_banks4/002.jpg (http://promo.stunners.com/pic/carli_banks4/002.jpg)<br><br>outfit ---&gt; <br><br>http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-8675232-playful-model.php (http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-8675232-playful-model.php) (outfit, but in pastel blue)<br>http://www.trashy.com/Carousel-Fancy-Long-Robe.10765-product.htm (http://www.trashy.com/Carousel-Fancy-Long-Robe.10765-product.htm) (worn over the above, also in blue)<br>http://www.mydivascloset.com/brshthhistwi.html (http://www.mydivascloset.com/brshthhistwi.html) (stockings)<br>http://www.pleaserheels.net/tag/black/ (http://www.pleaserheels.net/tag/black/) (shoes, in black)<br><br>she also has a serrated dagger tucking into the back of her thong.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>16-12-2010, 22:01:35</strong>
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				<strong>St. Codin</strong> (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=260393)<br>Male Good Mountain Dwarf (Saint Temp) Barbarian(6)/Psion(4), <strong>Level</strong> 6, <strong>Init</strong> +3, <strong>HP</strong> 71/71, <strong>DR</strong> 6, <strong>Speed</strong> 30<br><strong>AC</strong> 22, <strong>Touch</strong> 16, <strong>Flat-footed</strong> 19, <strong>Fort</strong> +10, <strong>Ref</strong> +5, <strong>Will</strong> +6, <strong>Base Attack Bonus</strong> 6/1 /26 <br><strong>Psionic Masterwork Deep Crystal Greataxe </strong> +1 (d12, x3)<br><strong>Armour Spikes Spiked Mithral Breastplate</strong> (+5 Armor, +3 Dex, +1 Natural, +1 Deflect, +2 Misc)<br><strong>Abilities</strong> Str 17, Dex 16, Con 20, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 16<br><strong>Condition</strong> None<br>Spiked Mithral Breastplate (4450gp)<br>Amulet of Natural Armour (2000gp)<br>Deep Crystal Greataxe (3020gp)<br>Everfull Trail Rations (300gp)<br>Everfull Mug (250gp)<br>Backpack (2gp)<br>Dull Grey Iuon Stone/w Continual Flame (175gp)<br>Heavy Warhorse: (400gp)<br>Signet Ring (5gp)<br>Military Saddle: (20gp) <br>Tent: 10gp/20lb<br>Winter Blanket: 5sp<br>Soap (5gp)<br>Grappling Hook (1gp)<br>Map (1gp)<br>Ring of Protection +1 (2000gp)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>17-12-2010, 02:51:07</strong>
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				<span style="font-family: impact;" class="bbc_font"><span style="font-size: 32pt;" class="bbc_size">Berma the Heavy-Handed</span></span> (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=260708)<br><br>[Portrait of Berma] (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/rcburner/BugbearWoman.jpg)&nbsp; [Portrait of Curmudgeon (On the Left)] (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/rcburner/Owlbear.jpg)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Mayna</strong> on <strong>17-12-2010, 08:29:14</strong>
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				Hi,&nbsp; &nbsp;Hopefully this char sheet will fit - sorry for the delay but it took some getting used to..<br><br>http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=260689 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=260689)<br><br>and portrait<br><br>http://image2.sina.com.cn/gm/lineage/Material/Elf_Female.jpg (http://image2.sina.com.cn/gm/lineage/Material/Elf_Female.jpg)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-12-2010, 17:29:27</strong>
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				Looks like the party is coming together, eh guys? Well Lorcan bowed out and PP hasn't responded, so looks like everyone playing is ready. Feel free to post OCC in this thread now and leave the safety of town.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>18-12-2010, 19:58:58</strong>
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				Uhmmm, I wouldn't say everyone playing is <em>ready</em>!&nbsp; ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-12-2010, 20:02:40</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4029333#msg4029333">Quote from: inflatetress on 18-12-2010, 19:58:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Uhmmm, I wouldn't say everyone playing is <em>ready</em>!&nbsp; ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I meant players have all their sheets in. It has nothing to do with weather or not a particular PC is passed on a strangers bed covered in her own lady spunk :P
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 07:57:47</strong>
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				I wouldn't really consider this to be a case of metagaming.&nbsp; She hasn't been magically healed, so it stands to reason that she still has some bruising.&nbsp; If the tentacles were simply meant to do bashing damage and be done with it, I assume the marks would be all over.&nbsp; As it is, one can only assume there's fairly obvious damage concentrated around her mouth and behind.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 08:11:33</strong>
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				Actually the bruises would be inside her around the abdomen, and around her torso from where they were constricting, and holding her down. However that's not the point you jumped straight from somethings fishy to saying exactly what happened. I doubt Berma is an expert on magic, and in real life people may think of tentacles as sexual, but in D&amp;D they are natural weapons, and are used for pulling out brains. Then Berma says that it was meant for another girl. Which was speculated outside the game to by Momo. However the truth is it was an organized scene for Inflatress because she was bored not being able to go into the forest to get the same thing. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 08:15:56</strong>
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				Fine.&nbsp; I'll concede, since I have doubts you'll listen anyway.&nbsp; We'll have Berma be distrustful and have her fair suspicions of the mage and the girl and leave it at that.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Mayna</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 14:14:11</strong>
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				Hi all, going to be away for the holidays.&nbsp; Sorry but you can have Alysia find a comfortable room.&nbsp; Good luck!
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 17:56:40</strong>
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				Okay, will anyone else not be able to play during the holidays? If you want to I could come up with a little side quest in town. Maybe throw in a few magic trinkets for fun.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>19-12-2010, 17:57:19</strong>
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				I'll still be here until the 23rd, but after that my posting may slow down a bit.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-12-2010, 01:52:50</strong>
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				*Rolls precental dice five times*<br><br>Don't mind me guys ;D
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-12-2010, 17:02:07</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4037744#msg4037744">Quote from: ulthakptah on 21-12-2010, 01:52:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*Rolls precental dice five times*<br><br>Don't mind me guys ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Now for fun I'm going to tell the results of these rolls: 13, 30, 89, 7, 51
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>24-12-2010, 17:30:18</strong>
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				Happy holidays everyone!&nbsp; I'll be back to updating after the weekend.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-12-2010, 14:33:01</strong>
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				Merry Christmas everyone! There are some gifts down in the lounge for all the people staying at the Pelican's Down!
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 05:01:51</strong>
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				Ah, yes not being able to read would make that item most useless. I didn't think you were staying illiterate after you were no longer using a barbarian class. Maybe you could trade Primarch for his belt?
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 05:06:04</strong>
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				Ahaha, it's alright!&nbsp; Berma has a tendency to be totally clueless whenever the situation is deeper than "hit things" or "drink until unconscious".&nbsp; Perhaps it'll wind up being useful later on down the line.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 05:11:43</strong>
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				Well out of all the gifts it was worth the most by far, but selling it would be such a waste.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>27-12-2010, 05:15:27</strong>
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				Heh, she's something of a packrat, so I doubt she'll think to pawn it off.&nbsp; Maybe she'll ask some lucky guy to explain what the hell it's all about for her.&nbsp; 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>04-01-2011, 18:59:09</strong>
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				Hey everyone, it seems the holiday season has really slowed the game down, but I think it will pick up again once Mayna finishes with her holiday. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Shihong</strong> on <strong>04-01-2011, 21:27:05</strong>
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				Still kind of busy.&nbsp; Dealing with funeral preparations.&nbsp; Will get caught up later in the week once things settle down.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>08-01-2011, 22:38:54</strong>
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				Hey, role call time. Who all is alive, and who all needs to be replaced? 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>09-01-2011, 03:51:54</strong>
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				Zombies! 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>09-01-2011, 04:56:24</strong>
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				I'm still here
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>09-01-2011, 05:56:32</strong>
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				Still kickin'
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 01:30:37</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				So, whatcha want to do guys? Go on with just the three of you, try and see if I can scrounged up some replacements real quick, or give up and quit?
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 02:39:02</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Keep going, and use me as a freelancer map creator! Muwhahahaa!
			</dd>
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 03:37:14</strong>
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				I say keep going!&nbsp; Maybe find some replacements?&nbsp; But in the mean time...keep going!&nbsp; I'm so tired of games only lasting for like a week and then fizzing out, no one commits to anything on E&nbsp; anymore!&nbsp; Let's make a stand with this game!
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 10:19:50</strong>
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				Stand assisted by a DIE HARD D&amp;Der!<br><br><strong>[SIZE=+1]Maylea[/SIZE] (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=266418)</strong>[/URL]<br>Female Chaotic Good Tibbit Gestalt Scout/Rogue, <strong>Level</strong> 6, <strong>Init</strong> +12, <strong>HP</strong> 66/66, <strong>Speed</strong> 30<br><strong>AC</strong> 17, <strong>Touch</strong> 17, <strong>Flat-footed</strong> 12, <strong>Fort</strong> +5, <strong>Ref</strong> +12, <strong>Will</strong> +5, <strong>Base Attack Bonus</strong> 4&nbsp; &nbsp;<br><strong>Flaming +1 Flaming Dagger </strong> +11/+6 (1d3 + 1d6 + 2 +1, 19-20/x2)<br><strong>Composite +2 Str, Frost +1 Frost Shortbow (40 Arrows) </strong> +11/+6 (1d4 + 1d6 + 2 + 1, 20/x3)<br><strong>&nbsp; Bracers of Armor</strong> (+5 Dex, +1 Size, +1 Deflect)<br><strong>Abilities</strong> Str 14, Dex 20, Con 16, Int 17, Wis 17, Cha 16<br><strong>Condition</strong> None<br>FEATS:<br>Lightning Reflexes<br>Weapon Finesse<br>Quick Reconnoiter (+2 init, spot and listen as free actions)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>10-01-2011, 23:26:52</strong>
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				Here is my char;<br><br>http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=239226 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=239226)<br><br>As side notes; I know I am slightly over 13K budjet for 6th level char, but I beg little leeway as a lot cash sinked to my arrows and I do not want waste them so I got quiver of ehlonna keep my precious arrows recoverable. But if you do not approve I could get rid of the quiver and buy some potions (or reduce my armor enchant by one and suffer 10% spellcasting failure). Second sorcerer class from core book is very dread barren empty for features. So if you allow I picked sorcerer from Pathfinder, with abyssal bloodline (suitable for fey'ri sorcerer have that bloodline). But if not I will edit my charsheet but ask would you okay house rule sorcerers get at least eschew materials as bonus feat in first level? It makes much sense with their class anyways.<br><br>Link for pathfinder sorcerer; http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer)<br>Link for abyssal bloodline for sorcerer; http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/abyssal (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/abyssal)<br><br>Anycase posted same in OOC recruit thread in this thread you need post charsheets anyways. Pic of my char is in the charsheet and pic for cooshie is in there also. Anycase I hope I get eventually accepted in :). Also wonder how I am moved into the group eventually. Anycase could not qualify for arcane archer until after 6th level.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 02:06:58</strong>
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				Sorry, no fancy Myth Weaver thingy. I could put it in there if you guys really want me to. Gonna edit the appearance and background in, just not sure I can get it done by tonight.<br><br>Player: Xillen<br>Name: Candalor Sunspeaker<br>Gender: Male<br>Race: Aasimar<br><br>Class: Paladin/Cloistered Cleric<br>Level: 6/5<br>Alignment: Lawful Good<br>Patron Deity: Pelor<br><br>Age: 28<br>Length: 1m91 / 6'4"<br>Weight: 122kg / 268lb<br>Skin: Golden<br>Hair: Blonde<br>Eyes: Gold<br><br>Background:<br>####<br><br>Appearance:<br>####<br><br>Strength: 18 (+4), 20 (+5) with Gauntlets<br>Dexterity: 13 (+1)<br>Constitution: 15 (+2)<br>Intelligence: 12 (+1)<br>Wisdom: 17 (+3)<br>Charisma: 18 (+4), 20 (+5) with Cloak<br><br>Size: Medium<br>Movement: 20 ft<br>Hit Points: 50<br>Initiative: +1 (+1 dex)<br><br>Armor Class: 26 (10 +9 armor +6 shield +1 dex)<br>Touch Armor Class: 11 (10 +1 dex)<br>Flat-footed Armor Class: 25 (10 +9 armor +6 shield)<br><br>Fort Save: +12 (+5 base +2 con +5 misc)<br>Ref Save: +8 (+2 base +1 dex +5 misc)<br>will Save: +12 (+4 base +3 wis +5 misc)<br><br>Base Attack Bonus: +6/+1<br>Grapple: +11/+6 (+6/+1 bab +5 str)<br>Melee Attacks: +11/+6 (+6/+1 bab +5 str)<br>Ranged Attacks: +5/+0 (+6/+1 bab +1 dex -2 misc)<br><br>Unarmed:<br>Attacks: +11/+6 (+6/+1 bab +5 str)<br>Damage: 1d3 +5<br>Crit: 20/ x2<br><br>Masterwork Longsword with Tower Shield:<br>Attacks: +10/+5 (+6/+1 bab +5 str -1 misc)<br>Damage: 1d8 +5<br>Crit: 19-20/ x2<br><br>Masterwork Greatsword:<br>Attacks: +12/+7 (+6/+1 bab +5 str +1 misc)<br>Damage: 2d6 +7<br>Crit: 19-20/ x2<br><br>Ride 9<br>Handle Animal 5<br>Knowledge Religion 5<br>Diplomacy 9<br>Sense Motive 9<br>Heal 5<br><br>Skills: 47<br>Appraise: +1 (+1 int)<br>Balance: -13 (+1 dex -14 acp)<br>Bluff: +5 (+5 cha)<br>Climb: -9 (+5 str -14 acp)<br>Concentration: +2 (+2 con)<br>Craft (Other): +1 (+1 int)<br>Diplomacy: +18 (9 ranks +5 cha +4 misc)<br>Disguise: +5 (+5 cha)<br>Escape Artist: -13 (+1 dex -14 acp)<br>Forgery: +1 (+1 int)<br>Gather Information: +5 (+5 cha)<br>Handle Animal: +10 (5 ranks +5 cha)<br>Heal: +6 (5 ranks +3 wis)<br>Hide: -13 (+1 dex -14 acp)<br>Intimidate: +5 (+5 cha)<br>Jump: -9 (+5 str -14 acp)<br>Knowledge (Nobility and Royalty): +6 (5 ranks +1 int)<br>Knowledge (Religion): +6 (5 ranks +1 int)<br>Listen: +5 (+3 wis +2 misc)<br>Move Silently: -13 (+1 dex -14 acp)<br>Ride: +12 (9 ranks +1 dex +2 misc)<br>Search: +1 (+1 int)<br>Sense Motive: 12 (9 ranks +3 wis)<br>Spot: +5 (+3 wis +2 misc)<br>Survival: +3 (+3 wis)<br>Swim: -23 (+5 str -14 acp -14 acp)<br>Use Rope: +1 (+1 dex)<br><br>Languages: 3 (2 base +1 int)<br>Common<br>Celestial<br>Draconic<br><br>Feats:<br>Divine Armor<br>Divine Fortune<br>Mounted Combat<br>Shaky<br>Shield Specialization<br><br>Racial Abilities:<br>+2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma (included above)<br>Outsider (native)<br>Darkvision: 60 feet<br>Daylight: 1/day<br>Acid Resistance: 5<br>Cold Resistance: 5<br>Electricity Resistance: 5<br>+2 Listen, +2 Spot (included above)<br>Level Adjustment: +1<br><br>Class Abilities:<br>Aura of Courage<br>Aura of Good<br>Detect Evil<br>Divine Grace (included above)<br>Divine Health<br>Knowledge Domain: Divination spells at +1 caster level<br>Lay on Hands: 30/day<br>Lore: +6<br>Remove Disease: 1/week<br>Smite Evil: 2/day<br>Special Mount<br>Strength Domain: +5 strength for 1 round 1/day<br>Sun Domain: Greater Turning 1/day<br>Turn Undead: 8/day, level 5, +7, 2d6+10 damage<br><br>1st Level Paladin Spells: (2 per day, DC 14)<br>* Bless: Allies gain +1 on attack rolls and +1 on saves against fear.<br>Bless Water: Makes holy water.<br>Bless Weapon: Weapon strikes true against evil foes.<br>Create Water: Creates 2 gallons/level of pure water.<br>Cure Light Wounds: Cures 1d8 damage +1/level (max +5).<br>Detect Poison: Detects poison in one creature or small object.<br>Detect Undead: Reveals undead within 60 ft.<br>Divine Favor: You gain +1 per three levels on attack and damage rolls.<br>Endure Elements: Exist comfortably in hot or cold environments.<br>Magic Weapon: Weapon gains +1 bonus.<br>Protection from Chaos/Evil: +2 to AC and saves, counter mind control, hedge out elementals and outsiders.<br>Read Magic: Read scrolls and spellbooks.<br>Resistance: Subject gains +1 on saving throws.<br>* Restoration, Lesser: Dispels magical ability penalty or repairs 1d4 ability damage.<br>Virtue: Subject gains 1 temporary hp.<br><br>0th Level Cloistered Cleric Spells: (5 per day, DC 13)<br>* Create Water: Creates 2 gallons/level of pure water.<br>Cure Minor Wounds: Cures 1 point of damage.<br>* Detect Magic: Detects spells and magic items within 60 ft.<br>Detect Poison: Detects poison in one creature or object.<br>Guidance: +1 on one attack roll, saving throw, or skill check.<br>Inflict Minor Wounds: Touch attack, 1 point of damage.<br>Light: Object shines like a torch.<br>Mending: Makes minor repairs on an object.<br>* Message: Whispered conversation at distance.<br>Purify Food and Drink: Purifies 1 cu. ft./level of food or water.<br>* Read Magic: Read scrolls and spellbooks.<br>Resistance: Subject gains +1 on saving throws.<br>Virtue: Subject gains 1 temporary hp.<br><br>1st Level Cloistered Cleric Spells: (4 per day, DC 14)<br>Bane: Enemies take -1 on attack rolls and saves against fear.<br>Bless: Allies gain +1 on attack rolls and saves against fear.<br>Bless Water M: Makes holy water.<br>Cause Fear: One creature of 5 HD or less flees for 1d4 rounds.<br>Command: One subject obeys selected command for 1 round.<br>Comprehend Languages: You understand all spoken and written languages.<br>Cure Light Wounds: Cures 1d8 damage +1/level (max +5).<br>Curse Water M: Makes unholy water.<br>Deathwatch: Reveals how near death subjects within 30 ft. are.<br>Detect Chaos/Evil/Good/Law: Reveals creatures, spells, or objects of selected alignment.<br>Detect Undead: Reveals undead within 60 ft.<br>* Divine Favor: You gain +1 per three levels on attack and damage rolls.<br>Doom: One subject takes -2 on attack rolls, saves, and checks.<br>Endure Elements: Exist comfortably in hot or cold environments.<br>Entropic Shield: Ranged attacks against you have 20% miss chance.<br>Erase: Mundane or magical writing vanishes.<br>Hide from Undead: Undead can’t perceive one subject/level.<br>* Identify: Determines properties of magic item.<br>Inflict Light Wounds: Touch deals 1d8 damage +1/level (max +5).<br>Magic Stone: Three stones gain +1 on attack, deal 1d6 +1 damage.<br>Magic Weapon: Weapon gains +1 bonus.<br>Obscuring Mist: Fog surrounds you.<br>Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law: +2 to AC and saves, counter mind control, hedge out elementals and outsiders.<br>* Remove Fear: Suppresses fear or gives +4 on saves against fear for one subject + one per four levels.<br>Sanctuary: Opponents can’t attack you, and you can’t attack.<br>* Shield of Faith: Aura grants +2 or higher deflection bonus.<br>Summon Monster I: Calls extraplanar creature to fight for you.<br>Unseen Servant: Invisible force obeys your commands.<br><br>1st Level Cloistered Cleric Domain Spells: (1 per day, DC 14)<br>Detect Secret Doors: Reveals hidden doors within 60 ft.<br>Endure Elements: Exist comfortably in hot or cold environments.<br>* Enlarge Person: Humanoid creature doubles in size.<br><br>2nd Level Cloistered Cleric Spells: (3 per day, DC 15)<br>Aid: +1 on attack rolls and saves against fear, 1d8 temporary hp +1/level (max +10).<br>Align Weapon: Weapon becomes good, evil, lawful, or chaotic.<br>Augury M F: Learns whether an action will be good or bad.<br>Bear’s Endurance: Subject gains +4 to Con for 1 min./level.<br>Bull’s Strength: Subject gains +4 to Str for 1 min./level.<br>Calm Emotions: Calms creatures, negating emotion effects.<br>Consecrate M: Fills area with positive energy, making undead weaker.<br>Cure Moderate Wounds: Cures 2d8 damage +1/level (max +10).<br>Darkness: 20-ft. radius of supernatural shadow.<br>Death Knell: Kills dying creature; you gain 1d8 temporary hp, +2 to Str, and +1 level.<br>Delay Poison: Stops poison from harming subject for 1 hour/level.<br>Desecrate M: Fills area with negative energy, making undead stronger.<br>Eagle’s Splendor: Subject gains +4 to Cha for 1 min./level.<br>Enthrall: Captivates all within 100 ft. + 10 ft./level.<br>Find Traps: Notice traps as a rogue does.<br>Fox’s Cunning: Subject gains +4 Int for 1 min./level.<br>Gentle Repose: Preserves one corpse.<br>Hold Person: Paralyzes one humanoid for 1 round/level.<br>Inflict Moderate Wounds: Touch attack, 2d8 damage +1/level (max +10).<br>Make Whole: Repairs an object.<br>Owl’s Wisdom: Subject gains +4 to Wis for 1 min./level.<br>* Remove Paralysis: Frees one or more creatures from paralysis or slow effect.<br>Resist Energy: Ignores 10 (or more) points of damage/attack from specified energy type.<br>* Restoration, Lesser: Dispels magical ability penalty or repairs 1d4 ability damage.<br>Shatter: Sonic vibration damages objects or crystalline creatures.<br>Shield Other F: You take half of subject’s damage.<br>Silence: Negates sound in 20-ft. radius.<br>Sound Burst: Deals 1d8 sonic damage to subjects; may stun them.<br>Spiritual Weapon: Magic weapon attacks on its own.<br>Status: Monitors condition, position of allies.<br>Summon Monster II: Calls extraplanar creature to fight for you.<br>Undetectable Alignment: Conceals alignment for 24 hours.<br>* Zone of Truth: Subjects within range cannot lie.<br><br>2nd Level Cloistered Cleric Domain Spells: (1 per day, DC 15)<br>* Bull’s Strength: Subject gains +4 to Str for 1 min./level.<br>Detect Thoughts: Allows “listening” to surface thoughts.<br>Heat Metal: Make metal so hot it damages those who touch it.<br><br>3rd Level Cloistered Cleric Spells: (2 per day, DC 16)<br>Animate Dead M: Creates undead skeletons and zombies.<br>Bestow Curse: -6 to an ability score; -4 on attack rolls, saves, and checks; or 50% chance of losing each action.<br>Blindness/Deafness: Makes subject blinded or deafened.<br>Contagion: Infects subject with chosen disease.<br>Continual Flame M: Makes a permanent, heatless torch.<br>* Create Food and Water: Feeds three humans (or one horse)/level.<br>Cure Serious Wounds: Cures 3d8 damage +1/level (max +15).<br>Daylight: 60-ft. radius of bright light.<br>Deeper Darkness: Object sheds supernatural shadow in 60-ft. radius.<br>Dispel Magic: Cancels spells and magical effects.<br>Glyph of Warding M: Inscription harms those who pass it.<br>Helping Hand: Ghostly hand leads subject to you.<br>Illusory Script M: Only intended reader can decipher.<br>Inflict Serious Wounds: Touch attack, 3d8 damage +1/level (max +15).<br>Invisibility Purge: Dispels invisibility within 5 ft./level.<br>Locate Object: Senses direction toward object (specific or type).<br>Magic Circle against Chaos/Evil/Good/Law: As protection spells, but 10-ft. radius and 10 min./level.<br>Magic Vestment: Armor or shield gains +1 enhancement per four levels.<br>Meld into Stone: You and your gear merge with stone.<br>Obscure Object: Masks object against scrying.<br>Prayer: Allies +1 bonus on most rolls, enemies -1 penalty.<br>Protection from Energy: Absorb 12 points/level of damage from one kind of energy.<br>Remove Blindness/Deafness: Cures normal or magical conditions.<br>Remove Curse: Frees object or person from curse.<br>Remove Disease: Cures all diseases affecting subject.<br>Searing Light: Ray deals 1d8/two levels damage, more against undead.<br>Secret Page: Changes one page to hide its real content.<br>Speak with Dead: Corpse answers one question/two levels.<br>Stone Shape: Sculpts stone into any shape.<br>Summon Monster III: Calls extraplanar creature to fight for you.<br>* Tongues: Speak any language.<br>Water Breathing: Subjects can breathe underwater.<br>Water Walk: Subject treads on water as if solid.<br>Wind Wall: Deflects arrows, smaller creatures, and gases.<br><br>3rd Level Cloistered Cleric Domain Spells: (1 per day, DC 16)<br>Clairaudience/Clairvoyance: Hear or see at a distance for 1 min./level.<br>Magic Vestment: Armor or shield gains +1 enhancement per four levels.<br>* Searing Light: Ray deals 1d8/two levels, more against undead.<br><br>Money: 31 gold, 8 silver, 8 copper<br>Weight Allowance: 133 light, 266 medium, 400 heavy, 800 lift, 2000 push/drag<br><br>Gear: 146lb<br>Explorer's Outfit<br>Silver Holy Symbol (25gp, 1lb)<br>Spell Component Pouch (5gp, 2lb<br>Cloak of Charisma +2 (4000gp, 2lb)<br>Gauntlets of Ogre Power +2 (4000gp, 4lb)<br>Full Plate +1 (2650gp, 50lb)<br>Tower Shield +1 (1180gp, 45lb)<br>Masterwork Longsword (315gp, 4lb)<br>Masterword Greatsword (350gp, 8lb)<br><br>Backpack (2gp, 2lb)<br>Bedroll (1sp, 5lb)<br>Silk Rope (10gp, 5lb)<br>Trail Rations x3 (15sp, 3lb)<br>Waterskin x3 (3gp, 12lb)<br>Whetstone (2xp, 1lb)<br>Winter Blanket (5sp, 3lb)<br><br>Morninglight, Heavy Warhorse<br><br>Size/Type: Large Animal<br>Hit Dice: 6d8+18 (45 hp)<br>Initiative: +1<br>Speed: 50 ft. (10 squares)<br>Armor Class: 22 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +8 natural, +4 armor), touch 10, flat-footed 21<br>Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+12<br>Attack: Hoof +8 melee (1d6+4)<br>Full Attack: 2 hooves +8 melee (1d6+4) and bite +3 melee (1d4+2)<br>Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.<br>Special Attacks: —<br>Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent, empathic link, improved evasion, share spells, share saving throws<br>Saves: Fort +8, Ref +6, Will +5<br>Abilities: Str 19, Dex 13, Con 17, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 6<br>Skills: Listen +6, Spot +5<br>Feats: Endurance, Run, Weapon Focus: Natural Weapons<br><br>Bit and Bridle (2gp, 1lb)<br>Chain Shirt, Barding (400gp, 50lb)<br>Military Saddle (20gp, 30lb)<br>Saddlebags (4gp, 8lb)
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 02:56:03</strong>
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				Where did all of these D&amp;D 3.5 users come from? 
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 03:15:15</strong>
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				Dragged in by this thread: http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=91770 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=91770)<br><br>This is a D&amp;D 3.5 game, right?<br><br>I was reading up on the IC thread, but it's getting late. I'll continue tomorrow.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 03:18:13</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4115691#msg4115691">Quote from: Xillen on 11-01-2011, 03:15:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Dragged in by this thread: http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=91770 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=91770)<br><br>This is a D&amp;D 3.5 game, right?<br><br>I was reading up on the IC thread, but it's getting late. I'll continue tomorrow.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Lies, I casted summon monster III, choose nerds from the summon monster I list, and rolled a 3 on my 1d4+1 for a total of 4
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 04:33:53</strong>
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				Sup-yo, peeps! How's it hangin' down in the hood with all you gangsta homies?<br><br>*cough*<br><br>And the last of our merry recruitment band has arrived. Myself, I was contacted in my sleep by a ethereal dream figure, who promised me eternal glory and power if I <del>devoured your souls</del> made a character for this game.<br>Olard Darthur (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=266370), tank extraordinare. Stay chillin' in my 20ft./40ft safety zone and we're gonna be great friends. :D
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 05:49:52</strong>
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				Kay, everyone here and the boat just came in. Have fun not dying in the forest of <span class="bbc_u"><em><strong>DOOM!!!!!</strong></em></span> (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.0)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 08:51:08</strong>
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				Someone, for the light of all of the dark ones, buy a artificers monocole. They are only 1500 gp and need 5 ranks in know arcana. 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 08:57:17</strong>
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				Umh, what artificer monocles do? Also goggles suit more for spellcaster crafter when thinking visually, not demon magic using elf hunter :P.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 09:01:57</strong>
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				they cost 1500gp and when you detect magic on a item and determine it's aura you can spend another minute studying it. If you do, you can identify the abilities of that item as&nbsp; you had cast identify upon it.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 09:06:37</strong>
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				Ah, very nice. Sadly tough my char money is already gone over the limit a little. But consider others have got gifts already from christmas and such, not that I ask for gift but for balance sake would it be okay I got those goggles? It would help determine magic items and such without costly spell component and with long time of study time.<br><br>Or as some GM's do they disregard material component with identify and I could change one my first level sorcerer spells for it.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 09:41:25</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4116965#msg4116965">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-01-2011, 09:06:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah, very nice. Sadly tough my char money is already gone over the limit a little. But consider others have got gifts already from christmas and such, not that I ask for gift but for balance sake would it be okay I got those goggles? It would help determine magic items and such without costly spell component and with long time of study time.<br><br>Or as some GM's do they disregard material component with identify and I could change one my first level sorcerer spells for it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you can just buy yourself a scroll of identify, we can knock heads together and just MAKE a monocle. I have craft wondrous items, and it would only cost 750 gp through that. I cannot cast divination or necro spells, which is why I don't have identify. 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 10:22:09</strong>
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				Your specialized spellcaster? Is not divination the spellschool which is <em>forbidden</em> to be selected as forbidden school?<br><br>Anycase it would be weird for my char carry scroll of identify with him, more likely he knows the spell or have monocles for occassional use.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 10:39:03</strong>
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				Uhm, or you can just let me cast Identify a couple of times per day.<br><br>Since I'm a divine caster, I don't need no 100g pearls, though I need to have my holy symbol ready.
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				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 17:37:35</strong>
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				Artificer's Monocle - best item investment for any party, ever.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 19:43:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4118054#msg4118054">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 11-01-2011, 17:37:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Artificer's Monocle - best item investment for any party, ever.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That and healing belt. Free 6d8 healing per day for any adventurer that needs it. Woo! 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 19:56:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, an Artificer's Monocle and a healing belt are must have if you don't have any divine casters like you guys do... Oh wait!<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4117135#msg4117135">Quote from: Xillen on 11-01-2011, 10:39:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Uhm, or you can just let me cast Identify a couple of times per day.<br><br>Since I'm a divine caster, I don't need no 100g pearls, though I need to have my holy symbol ready.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Edit: never mind Identify is a magic domain spell which Pelor does not have.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 20:31:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's also a free bonus for being a Cloistered Cleric variant, but you're not one of them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-01-2011, 21:55:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4118608#msg4118608">Quote from: ulthakptah on 11-01-2011, 19:56:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Edit: never mind Identify is a magic domain spell which Pelor does not have.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't have the magic domain indeed. But since I'm a Cloistered Cleric, identify is one of my regular 1st level spells, so no problem there. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 00:08:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, read up on the entire IC thread and made a post.<br><br>Candalor can be just a tiny bit naive on the rarest occasion, so be nice to him, ok? :P<br><br>EDIT: Any specific posting order rules for this game?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 00:13:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				first come first served, unless you are all in combat together in which case you will go by initiative.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 02:11:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4119543#msg4119543">Quote from: Xillen on 12-01-2011, 00:08:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, read up on the entire IC thread and made a post.<br><br>Candalor can be just a tiny bit naive on the rarest occasion, so be nice to him, ok? :P<br><br>EDIT: Any specific posting order rules for this game?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nevars!Muwhahahahaha!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 19:12:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually Imight hve Layla chace after the dwarf in hopes of getting her out of town!&nbsp; Also, about Glyph's character...I suppose I didn't realize he was actually in the Pelican at this point.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 22:02:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Was I not supposed to be?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>12-01-2011, 23:48:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think it was described as the three of us arriving at the same time?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 00:11:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As soon as Olard can hear a fight, he'll break into a run.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 00:40:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rargh I hate my sleep schedule.&nbsp; I hope my post wasn't a bit too much, but yeah.&nbsp; Uhm....&nbsp; Doing the whole System Based RP by post, that's something new to me, so I'm not too sure on how much I can do.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 00:43:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seems this game can speed up big time if the right people are on :o
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 00:53:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The mob has an AC of 19, a touch AC of 11, and 7hp left. I'm going to go eat now, but feel free to kill it and get to know each other a little. There's no treasure.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 01:03:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				7 hp? What a waste of an epic crit. -_- <br><br>Edit: Can I assume our down time to chat and get to know each other is enough to let my fast healing bring me back up full? At 3 health points a round and six seconds to a round it would take roughly a minute and a half. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 01:32:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Dammit, waste of a perfectly good spell. Which is why describing the baddie in terms of how fucked up he looks is rather important, more or less based off of hidden heal checks by the people of interest. <br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 02:16:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				sure you can hang around and chat for that time to heal, and it had 30 hp until the cat shot it, so it wasn't that bad off when I posted.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 04:02:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Anyway survey time! How did you feel about the first encounter? was it too hard, too easy? If all seven of you would have been together do you think you could take on three on them?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 04:14:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Unknown. I'm all about the tripping, and usually about being bigger and stronger than the stuff I'm trying to trip, so it's hard to say. I've got the AoO to keep one locked down at best, since they are apparently stronger than me...a Large Greatclub is 2d6+Str*1.5 damage. Even assuming he got lucky and maxed out the dice, that's 20 damage from Str alone, or a +13 Str mod. My Str mod is only +9 with my belt, so under best possible circumstances I'm tying them for my opposed Trip checks unless I Hulk Out via potion and go Huge. So my shtick, lockdown <br><br>Damage-wise, on the other hand...if this one died to 58 HP worth of damage, they were pretty fragile, and all melee versus our plethora of ranged weaponry. We probably could have killed or crippled one before it closed to melee range. That'd leave one to kill while it smacks us around.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 04:16:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't know either...Layla didn't really do anything!&nbsp; ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 04:33:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well Momo did 20, Codin did 28, and the Cat did 23 which is 71 damage and it still had 7 hp left, so 78 hp for that one maybe. Also a large great club does 2d8... and a huge great club does 3d8...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 05:38:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Against party of five three of those could be brutal if they play smart. Example they surround us with mist/fog and charge from the mist so you do not get chance bombard them from distance. Then one or two themoccupy melee figthers while third suddenly charges from behind smack down weakest member of party (lowest AC and HP).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 05:43:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes but you have a party of seven
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:02:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha.&nbsp; That's funny.&nbsp; I do so enjoy being a sneak attack skirmisher.&nbsp; It's such a wonderful thing, really.<br><br>As for handling three of them....&nbsp; If the party works together and watches each other's backs, none of the scenarios presented will happen.<br><br>Besides...&nbsp; Don't let the cat get up a tree.&nbsp; Good luck getting to her up there.<br><br>EDIT: Note: I did say IF.&nbsp; And I get the feeling, with her alignment and the way I"m playing her, Maylea is NOT going to get along with the Paladin.<br><br>Paladins and Rogues don't usually get along anyway, at least not in my experience.&nbsp; *remembers a game where his rogue got turned in by the party's paladin for stealing the key that the party needed to continue on their adventure*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:05:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think it would be easier for them to knock the tree over, rather than climbing up in that tree. ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:06:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				lol.&nbsp; There is that.&nbsp; But then you gotta love having maxed out Tumble.&nbsp; I've pulled off some pretty epic stuff with Tumble checks.&nbsp; For proof, see my halfling bowling ball.<br><br>Course, that was because of a botch.&nbsp; But I knocked a group of seven or eight orcs that had the rest of my party all PRONE, making coup de grace easy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:16:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4124942#msg4124942">Quote from: ulthakptah on 13-01-2011, 05:43:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes but you have a party of seven<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh, that case consider we got +2 extra members then add one more of those things. Usually when consider CR it is designed for 4-5 member parties so in party of 7 you need like 1/3 increase in numbers (either number of foes or HP). AC and attack values are okayish. But to make single solo boss is harder as it must spread attention and pressure all around if possible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:24:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah I don't like to fiddle around with CR appropriate combats, because how hard a combat is also depends on how well the players built their characters. Also I have a pretty nasty boss in mind but he won't come around for a long time. Like you all will be at least lvl ten by then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:32:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, since we're all Gestalt characters, our effective level should be 1-2 levels higher than we actually are. Not much more than that, since stuff like BaB doesn't stack, and we still only have 1 round of actions available per round. We just have access to a wider array of skills.<br><br>Also, it's somewhat unsure if the group (or should I say half the group) did this so easily due to a lucky string. Remember the monster also rolling a natural one and breaking the only treasure he had, his weapon. It could've saved us the trouble of looking for campfire wood. Err, scratch that, I guess it's still as effective for that, even when broken.<br><br>Is anyone in the party obviously injured, by the way? I think the dwarf took a hit, but considering it's a blunt weapon, I have no idea if it's showing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 06:36:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				he was stabbed with its horns and hit with the cub, but he has fast healing and should be fine now
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 17:58:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				ok, things are moving along nicely, and I'm sure all of you are about to march together deeper into my woods, so I'll be needing your marching order. Marching order is important because it let's me know who get hit first, and remember that Glyph is a large creature and takes up four spaces. Also you might as well roll initiative for the next <del>ambush</del> encounter.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:00:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By the way, how much xp we get for killing that one? :P 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:02:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4126559#msg4126559">Quote from: Primarch on 13-01-2011, 18:00:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">By the way, how much xp we get for killing that one? :P <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>don't be worrying about how much xp you have I let you know when you lvl up
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:37:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll make my position in the group clear once I return there.<br><br>How fast I return there of course depends on how much my character's beliefs are actually true :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:41:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				nobody took you stuff
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:47:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				See? It helps to have a little faith in mankind ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>13-01-2011, 18:52:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				OBVIOUSLY the Rogue/Scout is going to insist on taking point, especially since she has a 50 foot move under the proper circumstances.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 05:42:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				According too where Candalor and Bael Choose to be there are only four possible marching orders. These are them.<br><br>Candalor&gt;Momo&gt;Codin&gt;Layla&gt;Olard&gt; Bael&gt;Maylea<br>Momo&gt;Codin&gt;Layla&gt;Candalor&gt;Olard&gt; Bael&gt;Maylea<br>Bael&gt;Momo&gt;Codin&gt;Layla&gt;Olard&gt;Candalor&gt;Maylea<br>Momo&gt;Codin&gt;Layla&gt;Bael&gt;Olard&gt;Candalor&gt;Maylea
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 05:49:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would definently be second last in the line, as archer I can fire from far back of the people but would not mind a rearguard.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 05:53:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You seem to have misunderstood my diagram the arrows "&gt;" are the direction of which the person is facing. Your choices are second, last, or middle.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 06:38:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, one more thing the fog gives 20% concealment to targets more that 30ft away.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 06:45:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't think concealment blocks fireballs. Especially afterwards, with the explosion pushing away the mist right quickly. <br><br>Also, where are all of the trees? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 06:51:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Only attack rolls are affected by concealment, fireball would create thin smoke which would last until the fog comes back and has the same effect, and if you really want me to put every fucking tree on the map I will.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 06:57:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just poking you with a stick. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 07:07:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4129859#msg4129859">Quote from: ulthakptah on 14-01-2011, 06:51:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Only attack rolls are affected by concealment, fireball would create thin smoke which would last until the fog comes back and has the same effect, and if you really want me to put every fucking tree on the map I will.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Not every tree.....but give idea are we surrounded by lots of trees or sparsely and mark only any 'big ones' when it comes to terrain feature. As that's important question when it comes to fireball usage; as single fireball <em>can</em> cause massive forest fire which is more lethal.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 07:20:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With the high humidity from fog and the settling of morning dew the fire danger rating is set for low. A few ember may be remaining but with little to no wind and the wet ground there's no chance of a forest fire starting today.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 08:59:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Pink, could you be more descriptive of your move action, like how far down the road you went in squares which are 5ft each of in feet, or if you moved some to the left or right. Also bear in mind that sneak attack and skirmish only works if your target is within 30ft.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 09:14:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And to get scout skrimish you need move 10'ft at least.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 09:47:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I already know that, Zaer.<br><br>And will do.&nbsp; Just quick question, each mark is basically a five foot square or what?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 10:04:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4130150#msg4130150">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 14-01-2011, 08:08:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I assume my foes are 30'ft off the group (so in range for point blank shot, if not -1 to hit and dmg then from results).</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Considering there's a grid, and considering large creatures are 2x2 on that grid, it seems safe to assume each square is 5x5 feet, which makes the bullies quite a little further than 30 feet away. Candalor was out of charging range, and he was closer to them than Bael is.<br><br>Oh, and just to be sure, since Maylea had a higher initiative than Candalor, and since she only moved 15 feet, my character would move to the square northwest of hers. Since I dropped my armor, my speed is 30 feet, which should make that no problem.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 10:50:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I usually add point blank shot bonus to attack rolls and mention at end of my post 'if foes are not 30'ft, -1 to hit and dmg from my rolls'. Far easier to solve it that way as GM then knows are mobs 30'ft or not or does point blank shot matter or not.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:26:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whoah. Does enlarge person work on you? *blinks*<br><br>Also, if you have Combat Reflexes (I don't know if you do, but I guess, since you have more than 1 AoO), it gives you an EXTRA amount of AoO's equal to your Dex bonus. A Dex of 14 would hence give you 3 AoO's per round.<br><br>I've seen the Half-Ogre Spiked Chain trip machine, and Thicket of Blades is something my character is running 24/7 in one of my 2 IRL campaigns, but this is the first time I see them combined.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:29:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130602#msg4130602">Quote from: Xillen on 14-01-2011, 13:26:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Whoah. Does enlarge person work on you? *blinks*<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Me? Why yes it does - Deep Dwarf is a Humanoid, Mineral Warrior adds the (Earth) subtype without changing base type, and Half-Minotaur doesn't change creature type at all. I just need some Dexterity gloves for more AoO, getting big tanks my Dex.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:32:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130602#msg4130602">Quote from: Xillen on 14-01-2011, 13:26:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also, if you have Combat Reflexes (I don't know if you do, but I guess, since you have more than 1 AoO), it gives you an EXTRA amount of AoO's equal to your Dex bonus. A Dex of 14 would hence give you 3 AoO's per round.<br><br>I've seen the Half-Ogre Spiked Chain trip machine, and Thicket of Blades is something my character is running 24/7 in one of my 2 IRL campaigns, but this is the first time I see them combined.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I've edited that into my last post, but since it was on the previous page, I guess you might miss it otherwise.<br><br>Hmm, so you used a template that makes you larger while leaving you the humanoid type. Crafty :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:33:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130612#msg4130612">Quote from: Xillen on 14-01-2011, 13:32:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I've edited that into my last post, but since it was on the previous page, I guess you might miss it otherwise.<br><br>Hmm, so you used a template that makes you larger while leaving you the humanoid type. Crafty :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh hey, yeah. Thanks, had forgotten that. On the downside, my reach is only 30ft., but that's an extra AoO.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:37:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also funny that we've had 2 Enlarge Person's being cast already, and my character still has one ready as well. I contemplated about casting it, but without the full plate, it would mean AC 15 :(
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:40:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Eh, right now I'm a 30ft. radius ring of Gandalfs, so anyone within that radius is pretty much safe from other melee attackers. But then, you're melee, so that doesn't help at all.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:49:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130625#msg4130625">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-01-2011, 13:40:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Eh, right now I'm a 30ft. radius ring of Gandalfs, so anyone within that radius is pretty much safe from other melee attackers. But then, you're melee, so that doesn't help at all.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Also, I'm basically built tank, but caught with his pants down. I wonder of how much use my character will be with your character looking overhead.<br><br>I could still heal and buff allies.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:50:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, looks quite awesome sauce. With Knight levels you can use swift action even force the enemy attack you alone (knigth's challenge)....or decide do nothing in their round if they consider entering close combat with you a suicide.<br><br>btw, Xillen your knight right? You could go behind the big guy and challenge the trio attack you and get butchered with the big guy's attacks :P. Knight's key ability is control of battlefield after all ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 13:59:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nah, I went for paladin/cloistered cleric in the end.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 16:53:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well as soon a Primarch takes his turn I will post letting you know the results of your actions. Till then Glyph what all is going into your trip bonus?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 22:05:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130636#msg4130636">Quote from: Xillen on 14-01-2011, 13:49:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also, I'm basically built tank, but caught with his pants down. I wonder of how much use my character will be with your character looking overhead.<br><br>I could still heal and buff allies.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Double coverage? I can't be everywhere, and there'll inevitably be something that slips through. Plus, I'm focused on lockdown, which gets less effective/reliable against things my size.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4131107#msg4131107">Quote from: ulthakptah on 14-01-2011, 16:53:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well as soon a Primarch takes his turn I will post letting you know the results of your actions. Till then Glyph what all is going into your trip bonus?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>EDIT: Misunderstood, recalculating.<br><br>BAB: +6<br>Size Mod (Huge): +8 <br>Strength Mod (Huge): +10<br>Improved Trip: +4<br><br>Total of +28.<br><br>When resisting trips, my modifier improves to +32 from Dwarven Stability.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 23:19:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is Codin still under the effect of the enlarge person spell or has the 6 minutes passed? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-01-2011, 23:41:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The map appears to say that it's gone, since you are only 1 square.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:06:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4132472#msg4132472">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-01-2011, 23:41:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The map appears to say that it's gone, since you are only 1 square.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Your logic makes perfect sense....I like it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:30:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Going double arcane is super fun as well. Duskblade/Wizard is just so hilariously overpowered. Especially once I get more levels and more money to afford a spellstoring sword. I can make it so I can do a triple cast of a attack spell in one turn. If I wanted to and spent the money, I could do a 18d8 slashing explosion of certain doom, at level 6. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:36:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4130636#msg4130636">Quote from: Xillen on 14-01-2011, 13:49:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also, I'm basically built tank, but caught with his pants down. I wonder of how much use my character will be with your character looking overhead.<br><br>I could still heal and buff allies.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That is why the various dark overlords gave us called armor. For 2000 gp you can equip any armor you want as a standard action, and remove it as a standard action. It is pretty much a required investment for anyone wearing medium or heavy armor. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:38:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And only one beat that your build is similar build wizard/duskblade but with dual wield focus with spellstoring weapons.<br><br>But as all builds yours do have weaknesses. Example if your rendered blind by a spell (or simply created deeper darkness effect around you). Then you cannot aim properly even area effects if your hearing is on purpose tricked around with. But impressive dmg none the less :).<br><br>My build is kinda weird as I go arcane archer but plan go deep as ranger aswell. My build focuses entirely to release either super swarm of arrows to single target or unleash devastating spells through arrows (or somecases even area effect buff spells when shooting arrow near ally). But then as elven ranger I am more skill monkey than figther (reduced HD but increased skill points as ranger).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:41:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4132734#msg4132734">Quote from: NicciKotor on 15-01-2011, 00:36:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That is why the various dark overlords gave us called armor. For 2000 gp you can equip any armor you want as a standard action, and remove it as a standard action. It is pretty much a required investment for anyone wearing medium or heavy armor. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Unfortunately, I have like 30 gold left. Either way, the messages weren't entirely related. Even when he's in full armor, he won't be that useful if nobody can get to attacking him :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 00:43:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4132765#msg4132765">Quote from: Xillen on 15-01-2011, 00:41:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Unfortunately, I have like 30 gold left. Either way, the messages weren't entirely related. Even when he's in full armor, he won't be that useful if nobody can get to attacking him :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's called flanking. Get around the big guy with the chain and attack from different sides. It is also rather stupid to be hunched together in a group like that. It is just begging for something to explode in your general area. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 03:29:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's what counterspelling is for. Volunteers, anyone?&nbsp; :D 'Sides, none of these thugs look like casters anyways.<br><br>Personally, I'd find something doubled-up like Duskblade//Wizard to be rather underwhelming, because both sides of the gestalt are 'active' classes, with abilities/spells that consume their individual action economy. My personal preference for gestalt builds is one 'active' class like Duskblade, Wizard, Cleric, ToB Melee, etc. and one or more 'passive' classes on the other side - things like Paladin or Fighter or Monk, whose greatest value is the improved saves or defensive class features that they offer.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 06:34:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Winning against the fireball reflex save is half damage, not full. Unless these beasts have evasion, in that case. <br><br>Holy Shit! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 06:40:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				holy shit
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 06:49:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4134053#msg4134053">Quote from: ulthakptah on 15-01-2011, 06:40:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">holy shit<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nerts. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 12:05:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My dog! My ranger will be furious for that one :P. But tactically speaking better that critical did not hit player but still finding another cooshie (after XP pen) would be very hard to do. Good Lavael succeed on stabilization roll.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 16:22:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Wizards, errata for sword and fist</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Use of this feat cannot be combined with Improved Trip to generate an extra attack, and successful use of this feat does not grant an extra attack through the Cleave or Great Cleave feats.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> So, you don't get a free attack for tripping a target with this feat, and you don't get a free trip when cleaving.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-01-2011, 16:50:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4135134#msg4135134">Quote from: ulthakptah on 15-01-2011, 16:22:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> So, you don't get a free attack for tripping a target with this feat, and you don't get a free trip when cleaving.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hrmph. Well, that sucks. Oh well, no free hits then.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4136236#msg4136236">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 15-01-2011, 23:25:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But there was one additional factor that hadn't been counted on, and that was the small Maylea's agile mobility.&nbsp; Dropping the bow, she pulled free her dagger with a ring, red motes dancing around it as she charged the nearest of the creatures, stabbing out hard and aiming for the neck.&nbsp; "The pestilence you bring will be put to the sword, in the name of Tempus!" Maylea shouted as the blade hit home.<br><br>[Roll Result: Maylea rolled: 1d20, adding 13 to the total To Hit, Total: 34 (Crit Threat)<br>Roll Result: Maylea rolled: 1d20, adding 13 to the total To Hit, Total: 32 (Confirmed, I believe)<br>Moved more than ten feet, thus Skirmish Damage.<br>DAMAGE: 6 + 10 + <del>8</del> + 5<br>SO!&nbsp; A total of 16 + 8 + 5, discounting the 8 if no sneak attack is possible.&nbsp; The 16 is doubled from the crit, making 32, so 32 + 8 + 5, and then the TOTAL (aside from the fire and sneak attack) is doubled again.&nbsp; Making 64 + 8 + 5fire.&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; OUCH.<br>And she is now positioned below the OOOOOOOOO, next to thing 3]<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>...how did you roll a natural 21 on a d20? ??? (20+13 would be 33)<br><br>Also not sure why you're quadrupling weapon damage with a dagger crit, but that's Ulk's problem to deal with.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 01:03:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Weapon is +1.&nbsp; And I'm not sure I counted that in with the AB for the weapon on the sheet.&nbsp; As for why I'm quadrupling, she charged, AND made a crit.&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; Unless...&nbsp; Hmm.&nbsp; Not sure I read that right.&nbsp; May only be triple.&nbsp; Not sure.&nbsp; I'll leave it up to the GM.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 01:07:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But...charging doesn't deal double damage - it gives +2 on your attack and -2 on your AC. You need to be wielding a lance while mounted, or be wielding any weapon with the Spirited Charge feat to multiply charge damage. You mentioned somewhere that you're not used to system games, so someone may have misled you on that point.<br><br>For that matter, Skirmish dice are not multiplied on a crit either, as they are bonus dice. Your total crit damage with a +1 flaming dagger would be <strong>2d3</strong>(weapon*2)<strong>+4</strong>(Strength bonus*2)+<strong>2</strong> (dagger bonus *2) + <strong>2d6</strong> (skirmish damage) +<strong>1d6 fire</strong> (flaming), +<strong>3d6</strong> sneak attack if you managed to charge into a flanking position. So, a total of 2d3+3d6+6, optional +3d6. average 19.5 or 30 damage. Critical hits only multiple your weapon's base dice and any flat bonuses (+X), not additional bonus dice of any sort (skirmish, sneak, energy enchants).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 08:22:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, I won't be able to post in the game until Monday. I'm staying with a friend who lives out in the boondocks, and he had slow internet, but I could still do stuff like post on E. Anyway he doesn't have any internet anymore, and the only way I was able to post this was to go outside and wander in the snow until I found the slighest bit of acess for my phone. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 08:38:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Excuses excuses...<br><br>Muse lost his computer a week ago, yet you don't see him complaining! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 15:01:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it's not that hard to cobble together a makeshift modem out of paperclips, tree bark, and squirrel tendons. Just think WWMGD - What Would MacGuyver Do?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>16-01-2011, 15:15:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4138369#msg4138369">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-01-2011, 15:01:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, it's not that hard to cobble together a makeshift modem out of paperclips, tree bark, and squirrel tendons. Just think WWMGD - What Would MacGuyver Do?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>WWJD - What would Jesus do, use divine powers to convert some water into internets. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-01-2011, 01:57:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4137833#msg4137833">Quote from: NicciKotor on 16-01-2011, 08:38:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Excuses excuses...<br><br>Muse lost his computer a week ago, yet you don't see him complaining! <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah whatever, when was the last time you've even seen snow?<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4138369#msg4138369">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-01-2011, 15:01:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, it's not that hard to cobble together a makeshift modem out of paperclips, tree bark, and squirrel tendons. Just think WWMGD - What Would MacGuyver Do?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>We had modems and stuff just nothing to plug them into. <br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4138406#msg4138406">Quote from: Primarch on 16-01-2011, 15:15:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">WWJD - What would Jesus do, use divine powers to convert some water into internets. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I maybe cool and all, but I don't have divine powers. Also there is no way to flank and not get hit with an AoO. They are large creatures with reach.<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4136236#msg4136236">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 15-01-2011, 23:25:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But there was one additional factor that hadn't been counted on, and that was the small Maylea's agile mobility.&nbsp; Dropping the bow, she pulled free her dagger with a ring, red motes dancing around it as she charged the nearest of the creatures, stabbing out hard and aiming for the neck.&nbsp; "The pestilence you bring will be put to the sword, in the name of Tempus!" Maylea shouted as the blade hit home.<br><br>[Roll Result: Maylea rolled: 1d20, adding 13 to the total To Hit, Total: 34 (Crit Threat)<br>Roll Result: Maylea rolled: 1d20, adding 13 to the total To Hit, Total: 32 (Confirmed, I believe)<br>Moved more than ten feet, thus Skirmish Damage.<br>DAMAGE: 6 + 10 + <del>8</del> + 5<br>SO!&nbsp; A total of 16 + 8 + 5, discounting the 8 if no sneak attack is possible.&nbsp; The 16 is doubled from the crit, making 32, so 32 + 8 + 5, and then the TOTAL (aside from the fire and sneak attack) is doubled again.&nbsp; Making 64 + 8 + 5fire.&nbsp; Yeah.&nbsp; OUCH.<br>And she is now positioned below the OOOOOOOOO, next to thing 3]<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> Thing 1 is next to OOOOOOOOO not thing 3, and there isn't a straight line between you and thing 1 to charge. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-01-2011, 02:09:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4145155#msg4145155">Quote from: ulthakptah on 18-01-2011, 01:57:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">We had modems and stuff just nothing to plug them into. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's why you ask WWMGD - and the answer is 'build a satellite dish out of toothpicks, bubble gum, and soup cans, with a snow-powered generator'.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>18-01-2011, 02:16:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4145155#msg4145155">Quote from: ulthakptah on 18-01-2011, 01:57:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah whatever, when was the last time you've even seen snow?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>*Looks out window* Yep, there is snow right there. Then again, this is Reno, therefore snow up in the mountains! Muwhahahaha!<br><br>It rains/snows down in the valley maybe 5 times a year. The biggest weather impact we had was when California caught on fire and the woodsmoke drifted down onto us. That was a magical 3 months where the particle density in the air was so thick you can see the individual specks in the right light. <br><br>Going outside was a effort of masks and smelling like woodsmoke for those months. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-01-2011, 02:39:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4145199#msg4145199">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 18-01-2011, 02:09:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's why you ask WWMGD - and the answer is 'build a satellite dish out of toothpicks, bubble gum, and soup cans, with a snow-powered generator'.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4145233#msg4145233">Quote from: NicciKotor on 18-01-2011, 02:16:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*Looks out window* Yep, there is snow right there. Then again, this is Reno, therefore snow up in the mountains! Muwhahahaha!<br><br>It rains/snows down in the valley maybe 5 times a year. The biggest weather impact we had was when California caught on fire and the woodsmoke drifted down onto us. That was a magical 3 months where the particle density in the air was so thick you can see the individual specks in the right light. <br><br>Going outside was a effort of masks and smelling like woodsmoke for those months. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You know being the DM, I can just make meteoroids hit and kill the both of you, right?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-01-2011, 02:42:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4145330#msg4145330">Quote from: ulthakptah on 18-01-2011, 02:39:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You know being the DM, I can just make meteoroids hit and kill the both of you, right?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'd be insulted if you killed me any other way. Flaming meteorites were how I punished out-of-control players in all my games.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-01-2011, 23:24:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">H1 grapples O touch attack success, 47vs.35 success 33 damage, H1 moves to pin 42vs.41 success. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Did I get an AoO for him attempting a grapple? Also, I don't want to know what sort of ridiculous Strength bonus these things are sporting to do 33 damage with an unarmed strike. :-\ <br><br>Otherwise, woot! I get to roleplay my flaw!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-01-2011, 23:34:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4153473#msg4153473">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 19-01-2011, 23:24:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Did I get an AoO for him attempting a grapple? Also, I don't want to know what sort of ridiculous Strength bonus these things are sporting to do 33 damage with an unarmed strike. :-\ <br><br>Otherwise, woot! I get to roleplay my flaw!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>They have improved grapple so no AoO, and they have a feat that adds their natural attack dice to their unarmed attack on top of having some pretty nasty strength 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-01-2011, 01:45:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, on the bright side, I doubt their fists are made of adamantine.<br><br>So, can you roll his two opposed grapple checks so I have DC's to meet? (first to break the pin, second to either break the pin or break the grapple?)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-01-2011, 02:31:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				42 then 40 and no they don't have fists of adamantine
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>22-01-2011, 05:48:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, waiting on Pink and Primarch to post. Inflatress told me what Layla was doing which is she just keeps dancing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>22-01-2011, 16:47:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4165207#msg4165207">Quote from: Primarch on 22-01-2011, 16:06:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The creatures weapon bounced off his chest in a manner most harmless, earning a hearty laugh from the Dwarf before going back on the attack. Both hands had a firm grip on his great axe before he heaved it up and aimed to maim his opponent in a manner most painful. "Come on ye scraggy wee shit!"<br><br>Attack one: d20+16=30 // dmg: d12+4=11<br>Attack two: d20+11=20 // dmg: d12+4=8<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You saw that one charged and hit you right?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>22-01-2011, 20:27:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4165357#msg4165357">Quote from: ulthakptah on 22-01-2011, 16:47:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You saw that one charged and hit you right?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I did not, apologies, allow me to edit. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>23-01-2011, 19:57:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4170105#msg4170105">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-01-2011, 19:53:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Swinging a claw at each of his flankers, he leaves large gashes along their torsos.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Makes me wonder how much of our clothes is intact, since neither of us is wearing armor, I think. :P<br><br>Does the damage applied to our characters keep damage reduction in mind, or should we subtract it afterward?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>23-01-2011, 20:08:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You take care of your DR yourself. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 19:59:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Did the brute grappling me win his check to maintain the pin? It only lasts for one round unless he successfully sustains it.<br><br>If he did, two more grapple check DC's please.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 20:02:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ouch, it looks party gets quite serious mauling. One is unconcious already and other guy soon falls unconcious too or worse :P. No one rolled up for devoted healer?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 20:04:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You'd have to break out an absurd amount of cheese to keep up with multiple 30-40 damage hits/round at level 6, gestalt or otherwise.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 20:18:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4174860#msg4174860">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-01-2011, 20:04:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You'd have to break out an absurd amount of cheese to keep up with multiple 30-40 damage hits/round at level 6, gestalt or otherwise.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I got over 140 dmg in one round o.0 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 20:24:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4174852#msg4174852">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-01-2011, 20:02:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ouch, it looks party gets quite serious mauling. One is unconcious already and other guy soon falls unconcious too or worse :P. No one rolled up for devoted healer?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Devoted healer against reach creatures? That's not helping much.<br><br>I got a bunch of healing spells ready for whoever survives this onslaught.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 21:30:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4174832#msg4174832">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-01-2011, 19:59:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Did the brute grappling me win his check to maintain the pin? It only lasts for one round unless he successfully sustains it.<br><br>If he did, two more grapple check DC's please.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> didn't maintain the grapple at all. It let you go to knock out the saint.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 22:06:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah. Well, I'm still freaking out for a full round anyways, and have to run away. Do we have an updated map?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 22:07:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Check back on page 9. Ulthak keeps updating it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 23:24:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4175629#msg4175629">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-01-2011, 22:45:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Shouting in panicked, terrified Undercommon, Olard flees from the restraining hands of the brutes, across the road and into the woods.<br><br>(Withdraw action, 60ft. east)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>But running would be faster putting you at 90ft away this round, and with you being panicked you're running. Also your path is random roll a d10. 1-2 south, 3-4 southwest, 5-6 east, 7-8 northeast, and 9-10 north.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-01-2011, 23:38:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I run then. Rolled a 2, so South.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 01:12:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Geez, haven't been able to kill a single one of these things yet. I've must have had done 50 or so damage to the one I've been targeting all of this time. Luckily going duskblade/wizard means no loss of attack spells I can cast. I can keep this up for another ten turns.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 01:38:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4176203#msg4176203">Quote from: NicciKotor on 25-01-2011, 01:12:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Geez, haven't been able to kill a single one of these things yet. I've must have had done 50 or so damage to the one I've been targeting all of this time. Luckily going duskblade/wizard means no loss of attack spells I can cast. I can keep this up for another ten turns.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>High risk high rewards, that's how I roll baby. If I made it too easy it wouldn't be much fun would it? Also by "all this time" do you mean the 24 second the fight has been going on? because it's been 24 seconds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 01:41:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				exactly!<br><br>See, this is why people need healing belts. They make everything more happy. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 04:12:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, if I live though this, Warhulk levels are definitely going on the progression plan. If all our enemies are going to be as big as I am, my ability to defend the party will go down the tubes unless I stack on the Strength.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 04:19:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, you can't make assumptions of the overall size of all your opponents based on one encounter.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 04:23:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, but I can assume that if these are what you throw at us for EL6, then the things we'll face later in the game will be even bigger and stronger (or spellcasters, in which case I can have STR 9002 and still be outclassed). Thus, piling on the STR in any way I can will be key to maintaining my relevancy in the party, since my damage output isn't very good.<br><br>On the other hand, War Hulk would cost me 27 skill points (9 invested into each of Spot, Listen, and Survival), so I'd lose most of them minus the few I could retrain. Not as automatically appealing as it was.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 04:43:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would like to point out if you have a STR of 9002 you would add 6744 damage to two handed weapons. Anyway you were very helpful in the party up to the point you go pinned. The only reason H2 got bloodied is because it was charged by two people while it was prone. If damage is what you looking for one level of exotic weapon master, take <em>Uncanny Blow</em> get some <em>strongarm bracers</em> and you add 2xSTR to your attack instead of 1.5xSTR. In fact if we go back to the old example of you having 9002 STR you would add 8992 damage to every attack.<br><br>Edit: Oh, and now we're just waiting on Pink to post
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 04:53:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177206#msg4177206">Quote from: ulthakptah on 25-01-2011, 04:43:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I would like to point out if you have a STR of 9002 you would add 6744 damage to two handed weapons. Anyway you were very helpful in the party up to the point you go pinned. The only reason H2 got bloodied is because it was charged by two people while it was prone. If damage is what you looking for one level of exotic weapon master, take <em>Uncanny Blow</em> get some <em>strongarm bracers</em> and you add 2xSTR to your attack instead of 1.5xSTR. In fact if we go back to the old example of you having 9002 STR you would add 8992 damage to every attack.<br><br>Edit: Oh, and now we're just waiting on Pink to post<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The point wasn't damage, it was the opportunity to say that I'd still be inferior to a controlling spellcaster even if my strength was OVER NINE....eh, forget it. -_- <br><br>It's a higher Trip check I'm after - Strength boosts do this. So does a Belt of Champions, once I have feat space...maybe I can get our resident Saint to bless it for me or something to 'upgrade' the item into its relic form.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 05:03:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All I care about is getting to level 7. level 4 spells, woo!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 05:06:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177254#msg4177254">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 25-01-2011, 04:53:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The point wasn't damage, it was the opportunity to say that I'd still be inferior to a controlling spellcaster even if my strength was OVER NINE....eh, forget it. -_- <br><br>It's a higher Trip check I'm after - Strength boosts do this. So does a Belt of Champions, once I have feat space...maybe I can get our resident Saint to bless it for me or something to 'upgrade' the item into its relic form.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>pst, with that flaw of yours there's a 2nd lvl ranger spell that makes you inferior. <br><br>Feats are definitely a problem for you. You need a feat for the belt, a two feats for warhulk, another feat if you wanted to take exotic weapon master. Maybe I should have made it a feat every two level like pathfinder. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 05:07:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177306#msg4177306">Quote from: ulthakptah on 25-01-2011, 05:06:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">pst, with that flaw of yours there's a 2nd lvl ranger spell that makes you inferior. <br><br>Feats are definitely a problem for you. You need a feat for the belt, a two feats for warhulk, another feat if you wanted to take exotic weapon master. Maybe I should have made it a feat every two level like pathfinder. :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah, I need to get my hands on Freedom of Movement ASAP.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 05:22:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177309#msg4177309">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 25-01-2011, 05:07:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, I need to get my hands on Freedom of Movement ASAP.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Funny story the material component for that spell is a leather thong
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 06:13:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll post as soon as I has an answer...<br><br>Do you do Fort save after massive damage or die?&nbsp; Because if you do, that's a 44 DC Fort save for the kitty or death after 2/3 of her hit points in a single swipe.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 06:17:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177608#msg4177608">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 25-01-2011, 06:13:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll post as soon as I has an answer...<br><br>Do you do Fort save after massive damage or die?&nbsp; Because if you do, that's a 44 DC Fort save for the kitty or death after 2/3 of her hit points in a single swipe.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>it's if a single attack deals more than 50 damage you have to make a DC 15 fort save
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 06:21:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Really?&nbsp; Huh.&nbsp; Meh.&nbsp; Either way.&nbsp; That hurt.&nbsp; One more hit like that, and she is FOOKED.&nbsp; She's got 22 left.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 06:24:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I also do the if you roll a 20 then confirm with a 20 you roll again, and if the third roll confirms your target dies.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:01:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We're so going down here :P<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4177680#msg4177680">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 25-01-2011, 06:28:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">For all of...&nbsp; 0 damage.&nbsp; *sigh*&nbsp; The BITE at least would have done damage.&nbsp; LAME!&nbsp; Hopefully she'll at least annoy it.&nbsp; First claw did 2-2, second claw did 1-2.&nbsp; So 3 damage total, technically, counting the crit, and the fact that you can't deal LESS than one damage.]]]</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Critting for 1 damage. :)<br><br>Oh, and I forgot flanking bonus in my attack rolls. Hitting AC 20 :/ if I get a flanking bonus, which I'm not entirely sure about.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:35:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have you been keeping it up with the 1d6 per turn of fire on the beast? If it is as close as it is from dying, an extra 2d6 might put it over. In any case, escape plan #3!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:42:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177923#msg4177923">Quote from: NicciKotor on 25-01-2011, 07:35:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Have you been keeping it up with the 1d6 per turn of fire on the beast? If it is as close as it is from dying, an extra 2d6 might put it over. In any case, escape plan #3!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yep, I have been keeping track of its fire damage.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4170105#msg4170105">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-01-2011, 19:53:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">the monster's uncanny ability to react to opponents on opposite sides of him easily made it too difficult<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Nope, you don't get flanking bonuses 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:45:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				46 damage to the face has to kill this thing. And yes, I do have 3 different escape plans:<br><br>1: Invisibility and run the fuck out of there. <br>2: Fly the fuck out of there.<br>3: Combustion Strike!<br><br>I wonder what happens when something on fire, and you make it even more on fire! Pretty much a hairy torch of screaming and pain at this point. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:56:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4177946#msg4177946">Quote from: NicciKotor on 25-01-2011, 07:45:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I wonder what happens when something on fire, and you make it even more on fire! Pretty much a hairy torch of screaming and pain at this point.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>catching on fire isn't cumulative 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 07:58:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It should be. Catching on fire doesn't necessarily mean your entire body is on fire. It could just be a arm for example if the ray of flame hit it there. <br><br>But yeah, I would have had gone with the exploding skull cliche. Just more refined that way. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 08:01:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No when you fail the saves for those spells your whole body is on fire.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 08:17:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think this applies to what just happened with Ruby and exploding monster giblets. <br><br>(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2125/129322550644.jpg) (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/129322550644.jpg/)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 16:28:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4178001#msg4178001">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 25-01-2011, 08:06:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">OOC: Still 30'ft range. Also as note; It's plain <em>mean</em> to negate my awesome critical! I hate you deflect arrows! I <strong>hate</strong> you! Rapid shot and manyshot. 25 vs AC (9+9=18 magic slashing admantium dmg), 25 vs AC (7+9=16 magic slashing admantium dmg) and 8 vs AC (5pts magic slashing admantium dmg and 5pts magic piercing cold iron dmg). Each hit is 2 arrow hits, so deflect arrow can negate only single arrow, not both arrows from single shot! Anycase swift action cast guided shot, ran out 1st level spell slots so now using 2th level slots. Anycase it's on same target as before.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>To my knowledge, Manyshot is a Standard Action, not replacing a single attack. Since Rapid Shot is part of a Full Attack and Manyshot is a standard action, you can't Manyshot every arrow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 18:42:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4178850#msg4178850">Quote from: Xillen on 25-01-2011, 16:28:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">To my knowledge, Manyshot is a Standard Action, not replacing a single attack. Since Rapid Shot is part of a Full Attack and Manyshot is a standard action, you can't Manyshot every arrow.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Hey, hes right. At this level you can either shoot 3 arrows at the same time as a standard action with a -6, 2 arrows at the same time as a standard action with a -4, or a full attack with an extra shot with all at a -2
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 18:50:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, don't retroactively change all your attacks. What's done is done. Just remember how it works for next time
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 19:32:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				huh? it works that way? So far I assumed standard action could be transfered for full attack and so create big barrage of arrows (with big penalty ofc). But Gm rules I guess. With manyshot I may get more lucky to do dmg with 3 arrows as with -6 penalty I have greater chance hit with the 3 arrows (which only one is negated). Than do rapid shot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 19:48:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4179430#msg4179430">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 25-01-2011, 19:32:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">huh? it works that way? So far I assumed standard action could be transfered for full attack and so create big barrage of arrows (with big penalty ofc). But Gm rules I guess. With manyshot I may get more lucky to do dmg with 3 arrows as with -6 penalty I have greater chance hit with the 3 arrows (which only one is negated). Than do rapid shot.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No, standard actions and attack actions are very different things, and that's a good thing. Because spellcasting is also a standard action, primarily. Do you want to see gish casters throwing 3-4 spells/round before Quicken metamagic?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>25-01-2011, 23:30:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It also applies to characters using the Bo9S. The moment you hit +6/+1, you need to choose between making a full attack or using a standard action special ability, which ignores your /+1 attack.<br><br>If you're making a full attack, Rapid Shot is definitely better. It allows you to shoot at -2/-2/-7 compared to your highest BAB, so +4/+4/-1 at level 6. Manyshot only allows -4/-4 compared to your highest BAB, so +2/+2 at level 6.<br><br>Manyshot however only takes a standard action. For example, if you need to move around, you can still make a Manyshot after moving up to your base speed. When you are under a haste effect, you can also use Rapid Shot for your full attack, and Manyshot for the extra haste attack, since haste grants an additional action, or make two Manyshot attacks and still have time to move for example.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>26-01-2011, 00:08:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4180403#msg4180403">Quote from: Xillen on 25-01-2011, 23:30:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Manyshot however only takes a standard action. For example, if you need to move around, you can still make a Manyshot after moving up to your base speed. When you are under a haste effect, you can also use Rapid Shot for your full attack, and Manyshot for the extra haste attack, since haste grants an additional action, or make two Manyshot attacks and still have time to move for example.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That was in 3.0. 3.5 Haste doesn't give an extra action of any kind, it just gives you one additional attack when making a full attack action. So Haste is synergistic with Rapid Shot, but not Manyshot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>26-01-2011, 00:13:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, must've missed that detail...<br><br>Well, yeah, that makes Manyshot even more pointless. It's nice to have for those situations where you cannot make a full attack, but other than that, Rapid Shot wins.<br><br>You still get it for free as a Ranger, and as a Fighter, you'll have plenty of feats if archery is what you're building around, but outside of that, I wouldn't bother picking up Manyshot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>26-01-2011, 00:26:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The only reason for it is a prerequisite for Greater Manyshot, which is an essential feat for Scouts who rely on Skirmish for damage, and need to be able to move and full attack.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>26-01-2011, 02:03:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well I killed one of them, so the rest of you cowards better step up and get the rest. I'll be busy flying through the air and healing myself for the next few turns. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>26-01-2011, 02:10:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But...but...he <em>hugged</em> me! And that's scary!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 01:30:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Woo! Two kills for me! I can assume that the combat is over? I could fly and catch up with the last beast, but all I have left is kelgore bolts, and stupid thing has evasion. That and striking the whore on its back with a bolt wouldn't go over well at all, now would it? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 02:13:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah the combat is pretty much over. I mean Beal could take another shot at the beast but it's unlikely that it would kill it, and on it's next turn it will have total concealment and with a move speed of 50ft the chances of you three catching up and killing it is about as likely as Layla escaping from its grapple. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 03:00:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4185159#msg4185159">Quote from: ulthakptah on 27-01-2011, 02:13:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah the combat is pretty much over. I mean Beal could take another shot at the beast but it's unlikely that it would kill it, and on it's next turn it will have total concealment and with a move speed of 50ft the chances of you three catching up and killing it is about as likely as Layla escaping from its grapple.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><del>That means it can only move 50ft./round, 75ft/round if it has more than 2 attacks. Remember that winning the grapple moves you at half speed, not full. All of us have 30ft. base, and can run for 90ft./round. So it needs to be capable of making and winning 4 grapple checks per turn to outrun us at all.</del><br><br>Correction, it's slowed to 25ft. round.<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Move<br>You can move half your speed (bringing all others engaged in the grapple with you) by winning an opposed grapple check. This requires a standard action, and you must beat all the other individual check results to move the grapple. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Unlike other Grapple options, moving the grapple is a standard action - multiple attacks won't help it at all. So our double-moves will outpace it, let alone our run actions.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 03:13:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was talking more about how it's disappearing into fog and you guys are sort of on your last leg.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 03:15:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bah! I'm barely scratched, really. I just got incapacitated by their pinpoint attack on my Kryptonite&nbsp; ;). And Olard's going to need a really, really good reason to not go rescue the damsel in distress.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 03:20:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How about total concealment after 5 feet? Unless you have blindsight or tremorsense you can only threaten the squares right next to you. Which means no fancy smancy chain attacks, and Beal's bow is useless.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:07:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's no reason not to chase, it just means I'll have to get right up next to it before attacking.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:13:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Right up next to it where it will grab you and send you off crying like a little baby again? Or maybe it just won't let go this time and crush you to death? Codin won't be there to put an axe in its back like last time, and by the time you catch up to it your enlarge person would have wore off. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:18:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4185873#msg4185873">Quote from: ulthakptah on 27-01-2011, 04:13:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Right up next to it where it will grab you and send you off crying like a little baby again? Or maybe it just won't let go this time and crush you to death? Codin won't be there to put an axe in its back like last time, and by the time you catch up to it your enlarge person would have wore off.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It'll have to drop L to grab me, and that'll give the rest of the party time to catch up. As for the Enlarge Person, this is...round 4? I can run it down in 1 turn if I use the Run action. My base move of 30ft. is faster than its 25ft. grapple-stagger.<br><br>And the point hasn't even been addressed yet that these are all reasons why pursuing the monster would fail. None of them are IC reasons why Olard shouldn't try - it's far from Good to leave a friend behind, particularly when it'd be trivial to run down.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:20:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait how long are you panicked for with that flaw?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:21:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				While immobilized and until 1 round after the immobilization effect ends. So even if it continually drops L, wrestles me down, gets up, grabs L again, and keeps running, it'll barely make any headway at all, and be extremely noisy and easy to follow in the meantime.<br><br>http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Wild (http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Wild)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:32:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				well it's round six, and what makes you think the beast won't just pin you for two rounds making you cower, if panicked creatures can't run they cower, then crush you to death?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:33:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Meanwhile the wizard in the party just flies in the general direction of east, find the bastard, and then proceeds to tickle it with mini fireballs, making all sorts of noise and lights for anyone to follow. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 04:44:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4185989#msg4185989">Quote from: ulthakptah on 27-01-2011, 04:32:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">well it's round six, and what makes you think the beast won't just pin you for two rounds making you cower, if panicked creatures can't run they cower, then crush you to death?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's a risk I'm willing to take in order to save a friend.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 06:34:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bael is more concerned for his animal companion atm so no last shots.<br><br>But question; Did Bael even <em>injure</em> the target or was the DR too great for his arrows even harm it when the attacks hit? I wonder would it had been better resolve the attacks just by spamming Ice Dagger spell.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 06:55:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ice dagger would have been better, they did have a little DR. That and they can't really smack an Ice dagger out of the air.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 07:04:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With all of my spells, I got around 13-14 attacks spells at a range. I keep combust around for my killer last move of instantly hilarity. <br><br>What I need to craft first or second is a empowering spell shard. That or a intelligence item, it is pretty sad for me to be at 18 int. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 07:11:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4186677#msg4186677">Quote from: ulthakptah on 27-01-2011, 06:55:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ice dagger would have been better, they did have a little DR. That and they can't really smack an Ice dagger out of the air.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ahaa, I see. I do not know the template but I assumed as they are stony hided they got DR xx/adamantium and so slashing adamantium arrows could had ignored it. But if they got like bludgeoning adamantium xx/DR then that case my arrows are useless (unless they crit but these damn beasts deflect crits for sure).<br><br>Oh well, I got few spell slots left so I could go fire few ice daggers which do at least 2d6 dmg (or 1d6 grenade impact if it misses).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 07:36:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait do you have Ice dagger or Ice knife. Ice dagger is 1st lvl and does 5d4 damage and Ice knife is 2nd lvl and does 2d8+2dex. Oh and it's DR xx/- so elements hurt the most.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 08:20:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I got the Ice Dagger, the first level spell. But I did not remember how much dmg it actually did tough. So it could been LOTS better to had used Ice Dagger in first place :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 08:28:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So through this entire combat, we had 2-3 people doing no damage to the monsters? <br><br>Fantastic!<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 08:31:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not no damage but very little.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 15:28:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just to double-check - these are neither Orcs, Goblinoids, nor Giants, are they?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 16:29:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There may be some orc in their bastardized gene pool
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 16:42:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Creature type. If they're Orcs or Goblinoids, I get +1 attack versus them. If they're Giants, I get +4 Dodge AC versus them. It's actually relevant.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 19:04:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4187937#msg4187937">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 27-01-2011, 16:42:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Creature type. If they're Orcs or Goblinoids, I get +1 attack versus them. If they're Giants, I get +4 Dodge AC versus them. It's actually relevant.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You're larger than the average giant and you still get dodge bonuses against them? :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-01-2011, 19:33:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4188319#msg4188319">Quote from: Xillen on 27-01-2011, 19:04:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You're larger than the average giant and you still get dodge bonuses against them? :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Apparently. Don't ask me how it works, I don't know either. ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 02:47:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Xillen you're not unconscious or anything, and you can go and heal the others or chase after the last beast if you want to.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>28-01-2011, 08:52:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, sorry, I meant to post yesterday, but working late cut my time short. :/
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 05:00:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				YAY!&nbsp; At least ONE person thought about poor Maylea.&nbsp; I think the DM forgot about her, though.&nbsp; Was the one that ran off with Layla the one that sacked me, or was that the one that got dropped from the fireball?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 07:26:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				H2 put you in his sack, and he's dead now. H1 is walking off with Layla.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 07:30:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				WARGH!&nbsp; That means I'm getting left behind!&nbsp; Grrrrr.&nbsp; Guess I get to start making Con checks to see if all the noise wakes me up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 19:05:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4196168#msg4196168">Quote from: ulthakptah on 29-01-2011, 18:58:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">[The noise you two hear is very loud and you can tell where it's coming from. The two of you are close enough to make a ranged attack into the square, but you wouldn't know what you would hit. Also you could be adjacent to it next round.]</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Candalor: "What's a ranged attack?" :P<br><br>And seriously, I failed to remember the name of my horse :( It was called Morninglight, not Morningstar.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 20:01:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196184#msg4196184">Quote from: Xillen on 29-01-2011, 19:05:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Candalor: "What's a ranged attack?" :P<br><br>And seriously, I failed to remember the name of my horse :( It was called Morninglight, not Morningstar.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>An attack like a bow or a thrown weapon. Also what up with you guys? Kalia:Layla, Rose:Ruby, Morningstar:Morninglight. Why can you keep your names straight?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 20:05:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196381#msg4196381">Quote from: ulthakptah on 29-01-2011, 20:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">An attack like a bow or a thrown weapon.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I know. :-) Candalor on the other hand... :P<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196381#msg4196381">Quote from: ulthakptah on 29-01-2011, 20:01:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also what up with you guys? Kalia:Layla, Rose:Ruby, Morningstar:Morninglight. Why can you keep your names straight?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't know. I usually check up on that stuff before posting. Dunno how I ended up calling him Morningstar :-(
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 21:00:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*sigh*&nbsp; Start of round two.&nbsp; And nobody decided to make a spot or search check to find me.<br><br>On another note.&nbsp; I missed out on TENTACLES?&nbsp; Rude.&nbsp; *pouts*<br><br>And on a related question...&nbsp; When that thing went down with the sack in hand...&nbsp; What happened to me?&nbsp; IE, how did the thing fall in relation to the sack?&nbsp; I just thought about that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 22:05:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196579#msg4196579">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 29-01-2011, 21:00:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*sigh*&nbsp; Start of round two.&nbsp; And nobody decided to make a spot or search check to find me.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yes, what a terrible paladin he didn't even check to see if you were dieing.<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196579#msg4196579">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 29-01-2011, 21:00:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">On another note.&nbsp; I missed out on TENTACLES?&nbsp; Rude.&nbsp; *pouts*<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm sure you wouldn't have the same sentiment if you were trapped in the underdark fighting off Illithids.<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196579#msg4196579">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 29-01-2011, 21:00:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And on a related question...&nbsp; When that thing went down with the sack in hand...&nbsp; What happened to me?&nbsp; IE, how did the thing fall in relation to the sack?&nbsp; I just thought about that.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It's face was melted, and collapsed forward you're in a sack on its back. There's loot in there too, but I guess nobody cared about that either.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 22:35:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bael could take the loot and cat along with him once he heals Lavael :). Also he most rest of bunch would suspect the kitty in bag be something else than just normal cat. So he could prepare two light wound heals.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 22:45:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				O_O&nbsp; On second thought, I'm GLAD I missed the tentacles.&nbsp; NU EATING MY BRAIN!&nbsp; Or whatever it is you're having them use those tentacles for.&nbsp; &gt;_&gt;<br><br>As for the Loot...&nbsp; What loot?&nbsp; &gt;_&gt;&nbsp; Rogue?&nbsp; Helloooooooo?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 22:50:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Layla was assaulted by a spell trap, whilst breaking into a wizards room at the inn. The spell used was Evad's black tentacles. And the loot I'm talking about is the bags that each of the monsters had. You would know whats inside them if you were conscious, but alas you're not so it's a mystery until then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 23:09:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4196774#msg4196774">Quote from: ulthakptah on 29-01-2011, 22:05:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, what a terrible paladin he didn't even check to see if you were dieing.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Candalor wasn't aware Maylea was the cat or that the cat was in the bag. Rather than looking for someone that could or could not be in trouble and could basically be anywhere, the paladin reacted to the vocal input of Layla's distress call, which had a clear and immediate sense of danger to it.<br><br>Heck, Candalor forgot to heal himself as he rushed after her as well. Casting spells would be a little hard, but Lay on Hands is a supernatural ability, and shouldn't prove a problem at all.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>29-01-2011, 23:36:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, wait a minute.&nbsp; The thing stuffed me in the sack head first!&nbsp; I should have at LEAST gotten a GLIMPSE, like, one object just before TOTALLY losing consciousness...<br><br>Kidding.&nbsp; :P&nbsp; Sorry.&nbsp; Thinking too much like a rogue. S'what I'm used to playing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 06:41:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I want to see if I find the third beast or not. <br><br>Ah there we go, damn bookmarks didn't update. <br><br>In any case, healing belt time!<br><br>Roll Result: NicciKotor rolled: 2d8<br>Comment: Healing belt<br>Result: 2, 7,<br>Total: 9<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 21:43:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4199968#msg4199968">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 30-01-2011, 21:32:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Bael notices the unconcious tibbit, recalling his theory he gently takes the cat out from the bag and places it rest on the ground while he continues his studying on the items. Especially magical ones to identify the magic schools involved in them. Especially keep keen eye out for necromancy aura, as that school is related to both death and life magic.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><em><span style="font-size: 8pt;" class="bbc_size">pst... You should be looking for conjuration with the sub school of healing, The only healing abilities from necromancy either require life to be taken from another living creature, or can only heal undead.</span></em>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 22:20:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Conjuration? I remember healing spells were necromancy school :P. Oh well, probably mxiing stuff up but IC wise my char would know what school healing stuff comes from.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>30-01-2011, 22:27:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, the good old days where necromancy was life and dead, a la 2nd edition. I'm not sure if they were already Conjuration (Healing) in 3.0, but they surely were in 3.5.<br><br>Healing spells also went from permanent to instanteous.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 03:00:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do I reach the beast yet? It has to be rather distracted at this time, which means flat footed! Woo! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 06:35:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4202081#msg4202081">Quote from: Xillen on 31-01-2011, 06:34:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">[Hoof Attacks 5+8=13, 3+8=11. Bite Attack 4+3=7]<br>[Candalor Attacks 3+12=15, 6+7=13]</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Seriously, I have FIVE attack rolls and the highest I roll is a friggin 6! I doubt any of those pierce his natural armor class?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 07:37:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4202088#msg4202088">Quote from: Xillen on 31-01-2011, 06:35:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Seriously, I have FIVE attack rolls and the highest I roll is a friggin 6! I doubt any of those pierce his natural armor class?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah I was reading that and going.... bluh? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 09:17:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it's problem with multiple attacks; most will go miss while few hit (a problem with TWF builds). Best attacks are usually single attack nukes when it comes hits or dmg. Expect vs foes who can negate attacks (like mirror image mages) then multiple attacks are best to 'cleave' them. But power attack experts have great cleave so they can single attack cleave through all images in single attack and still hit main target.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 12:30:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4202504#msg4202504">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 31-01-2011, 09:17:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, it's problem with multiple attacks; most will go miss while few hit (a problem with TWF builds). Best attacks are usually single attack nukes when it comes hits or dmg. Expect vs foes who can negate attacks (like mirror image mages) then multiple attacks are best to 'cleave' them. But power attack experts have great cleave so they can single attack cleave through all images in single attack and still hit main target.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's not like I focus on multiple attacks. It's my own attacks (with the 2nd attack coming from BaB, so at no penalty to my 1st attack) stacked on top of my mount's attacks hoof/hoof/bite.<br><br>Regardless of the number of attacks, rolling natural 3, 3, 4, 5 and 6 is just plain bad luck.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>31-01-2011, 12:54:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it's plain bad luck also.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 00:54:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What is the beast doing? I'm sure getting stuck in the back with a sword is more interesting then a jackass on a horse missing 5 times in a row. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 00:58:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4204885#msg4204885">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 00:54:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What is the beast doing? I'm sure getting stuck in the back with a sword is more interesting then a jackass on a horse missing 5 times in a row. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Olard still has a standard action left, don't be so impatient :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 02:31:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4205154#msg4205154">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 01-02-2011, 01:56:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(That fort save got her to 1 HP, so she's not going to be doing much of anything for a few.)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> There really isn't anything in the rules about that, but I understand that you have been out for a long time, and would still like to be doing things in game, so I'll let it by this time. I thought that the healer of the party would have healed you before running off, but I guess I was wrong.<br><br>Hey Nicci, Let's play a little game. *picks up some percental dice* It's my DM's favorite game called High or Low. The rules are very simple. You say either high or low, and I roll these dice. Depending on what you choose and the dice results, things in the game happen. Right now we're rolling about that 20% miss chance the monster has.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 03:08:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This is a complicated situation. I'm essentially standing on its back while it is engaged in a naughty grapple, with a jackass distracting it with a pointy stab stab. Not to mention the horse. The best thing it could do is roll over and try to smother me. <br><br>One thing is certain, it cannot attack me and maintain the grapple on the whore at the same time. Success!<br><br>I pick low, since I have counter measures against this situation anyway. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:09:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I missed with a 26 on my attack? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:13:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4205793#msg4205793">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 04:09:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I missed with a 26 on my attack? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Concealment is concealment, and it had 20% miss chance from the fog. You bet on low, so if the dice came up 1-80 you would have hit, but alas I rolled 96
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:25:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I picked low, so shouldn't it be 20-80 is a hit? Also I did a melee attack, how does fog affect melee attacks? I'm right on top of him, literally! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:35:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4205869#msg4205869">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 04:25:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I picked low, so shouldn't it be 20-80 is a hit? Also I did a melee attack, how does fog affect melee attacks? I'm right on top of him, literally! <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You picked low it came up high. You lost, so the attack missed. The fog is thick fog. Creatures further than 5ft away have total concealment, adjacent creatures have partial concealment.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:46:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is the thing, I am not 5 feet away, I am right on top of it. I am sharing squares with it. How can something I am standing on be misty enough for me to miss? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 04:54:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4205959#msg4205959">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 04:46:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That is the thing, I am not 5 feet away, I am right on top of it. I am sharing squares with it. How can something I am standing on be misty enough for me to miss?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You can only share spaces with creatures you are grappling, or helpless creatures. Neither of which is the case in this situation. You're in the space above it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 05:00:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4205979#msg4205979">Quote from: ulthakptah on 01-02-2011, 04:54:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You can only share spaces with creatures you are grappling, or helpless creatures. Neither of which is the case in this situation. You're in the space above it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Standing on a large creature for me would be a ride check. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 05:14:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4206013#msg4206013">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 05:00:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Standing on a large creature for me would be a ride check.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Fine make a DC 20 ride check to not get knocked off while trying to ride a creature standing, that is hostile, and rapidly bucking. Don't forget that you get a -5 penalty for trying to ride a biped.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 05:24:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep, physically impossible with a +3 ride check. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 05:28:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4206099#msg4206099">Quote from: NicciKotor on 01-02-2011, 05:24:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yep, physically impossible with a +3 ride check.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Perhaps it's for the best. You wouldn't want it to grab you, and start having to make a different type of ride check. If you know what I mean...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 05:35:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is what dimensional hop is for. I'm just trying to distract it enough for the whore to escape from under it. Dimensional hop only needs vocal spellcasting, so it is pretty much the anti-grapple spell of doom! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 08:28:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4206496#msg4206496">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-02-2011, 07:42:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Bael has pretty much identified what items actually do. He picks the divine magic wand and moves closer to Maylea and says; "Hold still for a moment you restless kitty, I have identified this is somesort healing wand but not sure what command word is. But it usually have rather common words anyway so let's try some of them out until we see which one works." Bael touches with wand gently on Maylea and says in sequence; "Soothe...*tap* Cure....*tap* Heal...*tap* Mend....."<br><br>OOC: No doubt it takes while for Bael find correct word or language for it. GM could roll percentage dice to see do we succeed and if we do what time it would take. Bael would give up trying the wand around 1 minute and change use the belt which is more straighforward function. Or GM can rule the wands are simpler device which asks only will to channel it's divine energy if you have cure spells in your class list and able cast them.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>If only wands worked that simply. Unless you're using the Use Magic Device skill, you have to know what spell the wand holds, and that spell has to be on your spell list. You could try using the wand as if you knew what spell it has by guessing what spell it could hold and casting it as if that was the spell. However if you guess wrong you still use up a charge, and can only do it once a round.<br><br>I'll even make it easy on you here is all the Conjuration (healing) Spells for Ranger in the Players Handbook:<br>Delay Poison<br>Neutralize Poison<br>Remove Disease<br>Cure Light Wounds<br>Cure Moderate Wounds<br>Cure Serious Wounds
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 08:35:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So I use charge even if I do not say correct word use the wand in first place? Also was the aura minor, moderate or greater. it gives hint how strong conjuration (healing) spell it is. Minor ones are usually cure light wound example.<br><br>Also if I trigger the wand and unleashes it's energy then we would notice it as discharge of energy would come from the wand and we would see what it does to our tibbit :P. If no physical injury recovery then Bael would cease wasting charges.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 09:16:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4206614#msg4206614">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-02-2011, 08:35:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So I use charge even if I do not say correct word use the wand in first place? Also was the aura minor, moderate or greater. it gives hint how strong conjuration (healing) spell it is. Minor ones are usually cure light wound example.<br><br>Also if I trigger the wand and unleashes it's energy then we would notice it as discharge of energy would come from the wand and we would see what it does to our tibbit :P. If no physical injury recovery then Bael would cease wasting charges.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>The wand has a Faint aura, and Aura power of magic items are based on caster level if that matters. Also the strength of Auras go Faint, Moderate, Strong, Overwhelming. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 09:23:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, ok. So in faint category there can be cure light, cure moderate or delay poison. So from two of three effects could occur if Bael is correct that the divine magic in wand is something what he himself can cast (you mentioned earlier both divine spells are in his ranger spell list).<br><br>Anycase he will try and test the wand and see what happens. If no injuries are not cured it nails down to 'status curing' wand. If injuries are healed then it heals HP. Only what I can think which would prevent wand use now is lack of proper keyword and failing CL check vs CL of the wand (or simply not have the spell in his list).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:19:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4206703#msg4206703">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-02-2011, 09:23:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmmm, ok. So in faint category there can be cure light, cure moderate or delay poison. So from two of three effects could occur if Bael is correct that the divine magic in wand is something what he himself can cast (you mentioned earlier both divine spells are in his ranger spell list).<br><br>Anycase he will try and test the wand and see what happens. If no injuries are not cured it nails down to 'status curing' wand. If injuries are healed then it heals HP. Only what I can think which would prevent wand use now is lack of proper keyword and failing CL check vs CL of the wand (or simply not have the spell in his list).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Not necessarily true, When making a wand, scroll, or potion one can lower their caster level to make the item cost less. It could be any of those six spells, and it's your choice of which spell you test first.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:30:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I start from lowest to the top.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:36:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4207459#msg4207459">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-02-2011, 17:30:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I start from lowest to the top.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Are you saying your starting at the bottom of the list and work your way to the top? In which case the spell you try to use this round is Cure Serious Wounds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 17:41:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I will start bottom of the list. Cure serious, cure moderate, cure light, remove disease, neutralize poison and then delay poison.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>01-02-2011, 18:18:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4207479#msg4207479">Quote from: ulthakptah on 01-02-2011, 17:36:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Are you saying your starting at the bottom of the list and work your way to the top? In which case the spell you try to use this round is Cure Serious Wounds.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>One cannot lower the caster level below the minimum level required to cast the spell.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>02-02-2011, 06:33:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4207579#msg4207579">Quote from: Xillen on 01-02-2011, 18:18:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">One cannot lower the caster level below the minimum level required to cast the spell.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>True, but Cure Serious Wounds wounds is third level for a cleric and could have been made with a CL of 5 which is still in the range of Faint auras.<br><br>Anyway just waiting on Olard 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>02-02-2011, 13:42:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry, I thought my action this turn was walking closer. It's hard to figure out where turns begin and end right now, and what round of 'combat' we're on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>02-02-2011, 15:01:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4211018#msg4211018">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 02-02-2011, 13:42:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry, I thought my action this turn was walking closer. It's hard to figure out where turns begin and end right now, and what round of 'combat' we're on.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Round 10
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>03-02-2011, 00:12:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Where did rounds 6 and 7 go? It was Round 5 when I returned to the road after being scared, and I've only been running for 3 rounds.<br>Eh.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 16:33:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Y'know, instead of wasting valuable charges, you could wait until we're done with rescuing Layla, and then let Candalor Identify some items?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-02-2011, 17:23:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4219462#msg4219462">Quote from: Xillen on 04-02-2011, 16:33:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Y'know, instead of wasting valuable charges, you could wait until we're done with rescuing Layla, and then let Candalor Identify some items?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I know, but Bael would not move his ass off from Lavael until he is cured :P. So Bael uses wand heal kitty and his poochie.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Primarch</strong> on <strong>05-02-2011, 03:48:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm afraid I'm stepping out of this game, I'm just back to college and I've got to cut back some RP. I'm sure we just say Codin woke up, couldn't follow the lead and went off elsewhere to wrestle were-bears and giant dwarves or something. <br><br>Good luck to the rest of you!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>05-02-2011, 10:20:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good luck with College, Primarch!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 05:04:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I understand Primarch, no hard feelings.<br><br>Glyph, waiting on you to smack it up with your chain
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 14:04:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You mean miss it again. Sigh.<br><br>Breaking out the maneuvers then - I fail utterly at my intended job as tank, but maybe some Vanguard Strike goodness will help poor Candalor land a hit or two. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 17:25:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Position wise, how much cover does the beast get from Layla, and how much of that can be avoided by making a five foot step?<br><br>Candalor won't attack if there's a chance he'll hit her by accident.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 17:49:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4227119#msg4227119">Quote from: Xillen on 06-02-2011, 17:25:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Position wise, how much cover does the beast get from Layla, and how much of that can be avoided by making a five foot step?<br><br>Candalor won't attack if there's a chance he'll hit her by accident.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>If you were to attack with a ranged attack and not have precise shot you would have a 50% chance of hitting Layla, but right now it just has the 20% concealment from the fog.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-02-2011, 18:20:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				These creatures must be under some sort of mind-control influence, to keep on pounding like this even while being repeated stabbed and bludgeoned to death. It's not natural.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 00:52:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Course it is.&nbsp; lol.&nbsp; Have you ever tried to stop in the middle when you're lost in the sensation?&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 01:16:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep, it's under a spell alright. The spells called dat ass!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:21:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahem, about criticals. The way I have them work is like this. Roll the weapon damage as normally then add all your static numbers. Afterward apply your multiplier via multiplication. For example Momohime does a 1d10+5 with her katana. She gets a critical and rolls a 7 for her d10. (7+5)x2=24 damage. Now if her sword had an extra 1d6 fire damage or something that would not be included with the critical. (1d10+5)x2+1d6 like that, but if she had use a power attack or if the sword just did an extra point of fire damage it would be (1d10+5+power attack+1 fire)x2. On account of those values are static and not rolled for.<br><br>Now onto the bit about rolling criticals while confirming criticals. They don't do anything. If they did a rapier could end up doing hundreds of damage with a single attack. There is a rule that if you roll a 20 then confirm with a 20, you just a confirm a second time and the target instantly dies. Now I'll leave it up to you guys if you want to use that rule or not. I warn you I'm pretty lucky and if said rule was in effect at my game last weekend a player would have died instantly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:26:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A double confirm like that should still count for something. At least kill the damn thing so we can move on with our lives and save the poor whore from her fate. <br><br>Again. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:26:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've never seen that rule actually employed in a game, and would always vote against it. <br><br>As for your critical rule, let me see if I understand:<br><br>Using a greataxe with STR18 as a simple modifier. A hit does 1d12+6 damage. On a normal crit, it would deal 3d12+18 damage, but under your rules, it does (1d12+6)*3 damage instead?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:31:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've seen it done both ways, but the PHB does make it quite clear that you would role a literal 3d12+18. Things like energy damage and sneak attack do not stack, naturally. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:44:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I like the multiplication rule better, and the attack did kill the monster. Well it died on your turn. The attack took it down to 0 and the sphere killed it. Anyway things like power attack or a swashbuckler's insightful strike are included with the critical multiplier, and things like sneak attack where it adds dice to the attack are not.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:50:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think we all learned here to not mess around with Momohime! Also I dismissed the ball O fire for added effect. I didn't even have to use my defensive spells, blur and invisibility. I am pretty much out of attack spells as well, which is all well and good. Damn monsters and their evasion. Evasion = bane of all wizards. <br><br>Also Level 7, yay or nay? I think I deserve it, no? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:53:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It was one encounter. You don't go from level 6 to 7 with one encounter, especially in gestalt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:55:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, we just got our asses thoroughly kicked for the most part, that doesn't deserve a level-up by any definition.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 03:56:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4229539#msg4229539">Quote from: ulthakptah on 07-02-2011, 03:53:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It was one encounter. You don't go from level 6 to 7 with one encounter, especially in gestalt.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well normally sure, but when I DM I like to reward them with levels much more often then the DMG would allow it. <br><br>I just want level 4 spells. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 04:08:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4229552#msg4229552">Quote from: NicciKotor on 07-02-2011, 03:56:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well normally sure, but when I DM I like to reward them with levels much more often then the DMG would allow it. <br><br>I just want level 4 spells.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>If you want to level up that bad I guess you can, but that means I'm going to make the next encounter even harder.<br><br>Searching a body is like what a standard action? So it couldn't have taken that long after combat to fly back to the road. I would say just under a minute. Oh, and the lens doesn't make anything look different.<br><br>Anyway, you guys are safe for awhile. Talk about yourselves, heal, divi up the loot. I don't care.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 08:52:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4230567#msg4230567">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 07-02-2011, 08:49:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Bael smiles and says; "Nice to meet you Glittereye, I am Bael for short but full name goes Bael'reth-ruil. My friend here is Lavael. He kinda also tipped me regarding confirming what you are. As you can change shape but cannot disguise scent from a dog." Bael's wand glows again and he touches Lavael to heal it.....<br><br>OOC: So I roll for healing done to Lavael?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yep, keep track of the charges remaining too
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>07-02-2011, 11:23:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok. I spend 1 charge to our kitty lass as she called it was enough cure her enough.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 04:14:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey just to reiterate, now is the time to regroup/heal/divi up the loot. There is nothing left to kill you in the areas you have already been. You are free to move around now that combat is over. No need to be waiting on your turn at this point. I probably won't be responding that much until you move on. There really isn't much for me to chime in on if two PCs are talking to each other. I will still let you know the results of fiddling with the treasure you find. like<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4238194#msg4238194">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 09-02-2011, 03:40:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">She winced, nodding slightly.&nbsp; "Yeah, there is that.&nbsp; Just... since you know about our privacy, then please, say nothing to the others.&nbsp; Let them figure it out on their own.&nbsp; If I continue running around with them, they'll figure it out soon enough," she said, glancing over at the other items laying there on the ground.&nbsp; She eyed each of them, her eyebrow quirking up slightly.&nbsp; "Anything interesting there besides the wand?" she asked, tilting her head to the right.<br><br>[[Don't know if it will do me any good, but Use Magic Device Result: 16, Total: 25]]<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>You could use Use magic device to try and activate one of the items blindly, but you would have to pick one first.<br><br>But other than that don't be expecting much from me.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 04:59:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Le sigh, a simple eternal wand of identify or artificers monocle could fix all of this in a jiffy. Which is what I suspect is what the monocle that momohime got, but I am not going to metagame that. She is more interested in any items we looted that boost arcane power. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>09-02-2011, 07:26:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4239136#msg4239136">Quote from: NicciKotor on 09-02-2011, 07:21:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>"Bah! Nothing too useful to learn here, not without the proper spells. There has to be someone back in town that can do it. Might as well take that crystal, I am the only one here that can use evocation spells.</strong><br><br>Casting detect magic on the stuff I looted, the garnet, the gloves, and the monocle. Still floating there in midair for added effect. Knowing that it will take them forever to calm down the princess and bring her back here to the road.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Only the monocle is magic.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>10-02-2011, 23:53:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I find it a bit odd that the wizard isn't the least bit interested in the scroll that was found.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>10-02-2011, 23:56:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah yes, I can copy a spell from a scoll onto my known list, can I? People are posting slow too, care to just skip back into town or not? I don't quite enjoy the idea of camping out here with more of those things around. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:32:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, Ul?&nbsp; Is there any way I can get a detailed description of the vest?&nbsp; Material, color, stitching, any embellishments, that sort of thing?&nbsp; No, I'm not trying to metagame.&nbsp; Just trying to decide if Maylea will take the vest, or try to jack that gem.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:43:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4245546#msg4245546">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 11-02-2011, 00:32:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hey, Ul?&nbsp; Is there any way I can get a detailed description of the vest?&nbsp; Material, color, stitching, any embellishments, that sort of thing?&nbsp; No, I'm not trying to metagame.&nbsp; Just trying to decide if Maylea will take the vest, or try to jack that gem.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>(http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx134/ulthakptah/Silvervest.png?t=1297381374)<br>Detailed enough?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:45:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is clearly a vest for a pimp. <br><br>Back to more important topics...<br><br>Ooohhh! A shiny new book! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:48:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I should probably leave my Magic item compendium open for a while, huh?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:56:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, you probably should.&nbsp; And does my post answer your question?&nbsp; lol.&nbsp; Looking for purposes with no arcana or spellcraft for the win!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:56:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just give it over to me, I can identify it within a few minutes. I already cast detect magic, and that lasts for 6 minutes. Plenty of time to look over these items. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 00:59:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, I know.&nbsp; Maylea's not going to stop her from looking over the vest.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>She might get a nasty surprise, though, if she tries to take it.&nbsp; Gotta love playing a rogue.&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 03:56:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have a feeling this will come up soon, and I want to come to a decision before a ruling on it could determine how a battle ends. Now in the case of arcane channeling and critical hits, how do we want it to work? Should only the damage from the weapon be a critical, or since you can get critical hits with spells they both should be?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 04:06:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The PHB is quite clear on how spells that use touch ac and whatnot can critical. I wanna say yes since that means more boom for me. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 04:27:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, what about with your katana, it's range is 19-20, but spells only crit on a 20. Would both be a threatened critical if you roll a 19?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 06:39:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So far as I know official stance is that spells only crit on 20 and her katana weapon dmg can crit on 19 (or 17 if she gets keen or improved critical). So if she rolls nat 20 with arcane channeling it means both weapons and spell may crit. Other cases weapon crits.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 12:47:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So much for the benefit of having <strong>Identify</strong> available as a Divine Spell, with no material components :/<br><br>Break's over. Will post in the afternoon, when I'm home from work.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>11-02-2011, 23:00:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm, actually, I think Candalor was waiting for Layla. No idea if she accepts the horseride or not.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4245569#msg4245569">Quote from: NicciKotor on 11-02-2011, 00:39:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(To copy a spell from the scroll onto my spell book takes a day of study. I am not talking about the use of the scroll, the copying of it. In any case this is moot, since it is my prohibited school.)</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It takes a day because you need to get familiar with the spell and inscribe it in your spellbook, not just from reading it.<br><br>Also, if it's a forbidden school to you, then it's not on your spelllist, so you wouldn't be able to use the scroll without using Use Magic Device. Then again, it's a Divination spell, which normally cannot be your forbidden school.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 07:34:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The hell it can't.&nbsp; I've got a core book that actually states outright that with a prestige class, that is an option to be one of your THREE forbidden schools.&nbsp; Wizard of High Sorcery out of the DragonLance setting.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 09:46:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Dragonlance Setting is not exactly a core book :P<br><br>And uhm, yeah, I guess it can be for some prestige classes. It just can't be for the Specialized Wizard from the core book.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>12-02-2011, 14:44:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In reference to that point:<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: The SrD: Wizards: School Specialization</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The wizard must choose whether to specialize and, if she does so, choose her specialty at 1st level. At this time, she must also give up two other schools of magic (unless she chooses to specialize in divination; see below), which become her prohibited schools. <br><br>A wizard can never give up divination to fulfill this requirement. <br><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>There are some prestige classes with their own special rules (Wizard of High Sorcery, Incantatrix) that require additional forbidden schools, but such requires that particular prestige class to be in your build to take advantage of the ability. Otherwise the PHB trumps as primary source, and it says 'no'.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>13-02-2011, 04:29:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What is taking so long!? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>13-02-2011, 08:11:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think we were waiting on Inflatetress, but I just pulled her along, back to the group.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 00:35:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So guys, you're all just standing around on a foggy road. Are you going to do something? Track the monsters back to their "lair", camp there for the night, try to make it through to the other side of the forest and put this whole situation behind you, these are all options you can take. You could even head back to the previous town, but bare in mind that there is no vacancy at the Pelican's Down.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 01:55:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I vote for camping, since I have the spell for it. The rest of you can sleep in a hovel and tents. I need my privacy. <br><br>Also I am taking the monocle and the book. For safe keeping, mind you. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:43:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hoo boy.&nbsp; Yeah, Maylea's going to have a problem with you, I can see that already.&nbsp; But not in the way you think.&nbsp; :D&nbsp; &gt;^n_n^&lt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:48:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4265487#msg4265487">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 16-02-2011, 05:43:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hoo boy.&nbsp; Yeah, Maylea's going to have a problem with you, I can see that already.&nbsp; But not in the way you think.&nbsp; :D&nbsp; &gt;^n_n^&lt;<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I am not sharing my leomunds tiny hut! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:51:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				She might if you offer to tie her up first!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:54:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You should just skip ahead ulth and get to nightfall. People are just going to dally. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 06:10:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's funny, because in game it isn't even midday yet. The <del>seven</del> six of you left in the morning and have been out for less than an hour.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 06:12:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't think most of the party wants to travel any sort of good distance after that fight. I'm perfectly fine, but that is just because I am awesome. We could travel more into the woods, but not pressing it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 06:19:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4265647#msg4265647">Quote from: NicciKotor on 16-02-2011, 06:12:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Don't think most of the party wants to travel any sort of good distance after that fight. I'm perfectly fine, but that is just because I am awesome. We could travel more into the woods, but not pressing it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> Unhuh, How many spells do you have left today?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 06:24:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Boom spells? Like maybe 3-5? I still have invisiblity, leomunds tiny hut, mount, dragon skin, blur, and animilistic power. I have maybe 1-2 kelgores and one seeking ray left. If there is combat I am casting mount and getting the nine hells out of there. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 16:08:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Am I allowed to know the exact number of hit points missing? I've still got quite a bit of healing at my disposal.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 16:24:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure why not, it isn't like you're being rushed right now. You can think clearly and know exactly how much healing each person needs.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 18:48:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Kay!<br><br>So people, how many hit points does everyone need? Companions as well, please.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:04:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lavael got up to 10-15 HP as I recall with the wand wanging. Bael is unhurt but Lavael has around same amount of HP as Bael. Which is +50 HP range then following rest would put him full.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 23:09:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait, what?<br><br>What is Lavael's current hit points, and what is his maximum hit points?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 23:13:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for lack of posts, still working on a string of school-rented laptops while my personal machine is getting fixed. With lack of IC input, assume my guy goes along with the 'go beat them up' lobby.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:19:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4266719#msg4266719">Quote from: Xillen on 16-02-2011, 16:08:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Am I allowed to know the exact number of hit points missing? I've still got quite a bit of healing at my disposal.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Both me and Lavael have 42pts HP in max value.&nbsp; I healed Lavael with wand 16pts (when Lavael was dropped to -5 in single attack). So Lavael has 11 HP and needs +31 more HP to get full. I healed 15pts Glittereye (party's feline halfling).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:21:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, I wasn't planing on getting a crit there. It's not my fault, blame the dice!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:26:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I do not blame on anything :). I am glad you did not kill my cute green doggy with that crit (when it should have). Also glad the crit was taken by my doggie instead a player (it seems my animal companion good for cannon fobber for now consider these brutes, not that Bael plans repeat the experience &gt;_&gt; )
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:35:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Pretty sure I could use a hit of cure light. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 09:01:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rogue/Scout is at 23 out of 66.<br><br>Also did I find the right Vest of Resistance?&nbsp; +5 to all saves?&nbsp; Really?&nbsp; Sweetness if so!&nbsp; If not, what does it actually do.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 09:14:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's a +1 vest of resistance. You only get +1 to every save
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 09:19:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Meh.&nbsp; I can just pay the difference each time I have it and have it upped one level at a time.&nbsp; WHEE!&nbsp; Off I go to add that in.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 01:59:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In case you're wondering it's somewhere around 9am in the game right now<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:11:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So has Xillen figured out how much healing he is dishing out? and are the rest of you just going to wait 9 hours for the Arcane casters to regain their spells?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 07:19:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is there a reason people have stopped posting?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 10:04:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4282266#msg4282266">Quote from: ulthakptah on 20-02-2011, 07:19:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Is there a reason people have stopped posting?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Not really besides me waiting actual decision from others what hell we do now :P. Bael has told his opinion that they should go find camp site and rest.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 21:23:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Computer confusion and travel lag. I'll be posting shortly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 05:34:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry, I've been overly busy IRL. Checking which spells I have available for healing now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 05:36:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4285798#msg4285798">Quote from: Xillen on 21-02-2011, 05:34:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry, I've been overly busy IRL. Checking which spells I have available for healing now.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Faster! You have a bunnygirl in the bath to attend to as well! <br><br>Think about her poor feelings! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 05:40:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't you have you own OOC to guilt him with?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:05:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4270729#msg4270729">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 17-02-2011, 09:01:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Rogue/Scout is at 23 out of 66.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>How did you manage to get 66 hit points as a lvl 6 character with a d6 hit dice :o
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:14:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Scout has 8s
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:16:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4285905#msg4285905">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 21-02-2011, 06:14:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Scout has 8s<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Still, that means you rolled max for hit points?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:24:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&gt;_&gt;&nbsp; &lt;_&lt;&nbsp; Were we supposed to roll?&nbsp; Blargh?&nbsp; Must have missed that one.&nbsp; Uhmmmmm....&nbsp; *hides*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:27:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't recall anything about max HP, but I might've missed it.<br><br>I never like rolling for HP, so I just settled for average myself.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:32:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Momo could use a few hits of healing. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:35:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't specify to roll or use average so either is fine, but yeah, not max. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:36:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				She seemed to be moving away from the group, so when Candalor didn't notice her, his attention shifted to Layla for the time being. He still has some healing power left, though.<br><br>How much hp's are you missing?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:38:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				2 hit points. I thought I had more, but two shots from the healing belt did plenty. I only got hit once after all. <br><br>Muwhahaha!<br><br>Who was the dumbass that ran into combat without any armor? At least we now know that these monsters have evasion and deflect arrows. Fireballs need to be replaced with something more buffing for the party. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 06:40:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				2 hit points?<br><br>Just sleep it off?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-03-2011, 19:20:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You guys don't have to wait for me to tell you that you wait for two hours. If something was going to happen during that time I would say so.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>03-03-2011, 01:04:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do people give my character enough time to get my eight hours of rest, after he held watch for a few hours?<br><br>Also, you said I didn't get my spells back. What about Lay on Hands?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>03-03-2011, 04:56:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No you don't get lay on hands back for resting. It's a daily thing unlike wizards and sorcerers who just need to rest and recharge their batteries.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Xillen</strong> on <strong>03-03-2011, 09:52:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4325020#msg4325020">Quote from: ulthakptah on 03-03-2011, 04:56:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">No you don't get lay on hands back for resting. It's a daily thing unlike wizards and sorcerers who just need to rest and recharge their batteries.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, the PHB explicitly describes them as "spells per day" for the Sorcerer and the Wizard as well, so I assumed that you counted a new day starting after 8 hours of rest.<br><br>But if that's not the case, I highly recommend the party to just camp around until dawn.<br><br>Also, for the sake of clarity, Candalor went to sleep after the people that only needed 4 hours of rest were awake again. He didn't want any nightly surprises. So if you don't want to wait until dawn, or at least until 12 hours after we started resting, someone has to wake him up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-03-2011, 07:05:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I should point out if your waiting for dawn it's about 12 hours away. If you plan to wait that long, it would be a good opportunity for some interplayer nookie. Beal and Momo seem to plan on using their time as such. The rest of you are free to do as you please, and if it turns out only those two plan on getting it on I'll just skip ahead, and they can have there own little side thread for their naughty time.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>05-03-2011, 18:51:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				lol.&nbsp; Rogue, my friend.&nbsp; She's not going to trust any of them.&nbsp; Nowhere NEAR enough for THAT sort of thing.&nbsp; After all, isn't it the real thieves that have the common sense to worry about other thieves?&nbsp; Bael is the closest to being that far with her.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-03-2011, 19:11:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, and is our little thief jealous type if he happens flirt or spend time with Momo? Also I do wonder how sex would work out between medium humanoid male and halfling woman XD. true that Bael could shapeshift to accomodate her but he can only change shape to medium humanoid creatures only.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:23:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha.&nbsp; Tibbits are amazingly flexible.&nbsp; And maybe she is, maybe she isn't.&nbsp; *consults chart of random flaws*<br><br>*ominous clatter of dice*<br><br>EDIT:&nbsp; Also, that's what Enlarge and Reduce Person are for.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:30:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4333662#msg4333662">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 05-03-2011, 19:11:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmmm, and is our little thief jealous type if he happens flirt or spend time with Momo? Also I do wonder how sex would work out between medium humanoid male and halfling woman XD. true that Bael could shapeshift to accomodate her but he can only change shape to medium humanoid creatures only.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I like how people keep calling her Momo. Momohime is just simply Japanese for Peach Princess. Calling her 'Peach' is rather silly. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:38:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/678/678206/super-princess-peach-20051226094112844_640w.jpg)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:40:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4336137#msg4336137">Quote from: ulthakptah on 06-03-2011, 08:38:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/678/678206/super-princess-peach-20051226094112844_640w.jpg)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's Princess Peach. Momohime is Peach Princess. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:45:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, but in Japanese everything is backwards so you flip it around making it Princess Peach
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:47:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4336150#msg4336150">Quote from: ulthakptah on 06-03-2011, 08:45:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, but in Japanese everything is backwards so you flip it around making it Princess Peach<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's only for surname/first name distinction. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 08:51:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Titles also go at the end of names in Japanese, like Mr, Miss, and Princess. Really what the difference is one is Pichihime and the other is Momohime
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 14:14:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4336118#msg4336118">Quote from: NicciKotor on 06-03-2011, 08:30:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I like how people keep calling her Momo. Momohime is just simply Japanese for Peach Princess. Calling her 'Peach' is rather silly.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So you love how silly it is :). Anycase Momo is simply sortie from her full name and it's easier to say when speaking casually. Also so far Momo has been used in relate to who person is talking or thinking about.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 14:18:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Since Bael and Momo are getting their sidethread, I should point out that Olard is still outside, sitting by the fire in plain and unmistakable view. Any getting on that happens would be happening right in front of him, unless they either go somewhere else or tell him to go away.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 14:45:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahaa, thanks for pointing that out. It's up to Momo decide does she want privacy or want lure Olard into it. Or lastly Olard throws comment them to go fuck somewhere else while rest of the group tries to get decent sleep :P.<br><br>Anycase yeah, enlarge person potions (and lots of them consider duration is short) would solve size problem.....but would tibbit go that far or not is up to you ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 14:56:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<del>Olard is also Large, remember - so the only way he's getting any action at all here, even if invited, would be through an Enlarge Person effect (and his Potions only last for 1 minute each, so that wouldn't be a good idea at all). She can always cast Enlarge on herself though, which would last for 6 minutes/slot.</del><br><br>Wait a minute- Momo is Medium, isn't she? Pretty_in_Pink is played Maylea, who's the Tibbit.<br>EDIT: Now I don't know. Looking at the charstats on Page 1, either she is Small (halfling?) or has a Strength modifier of -5...<br><br><br>Otherwise, unless they tell him to leave, he probably won't say anything at all. He's not particularly bothered by other people doing sex where he can see it - duergar use their sex slaves when they feel like it, even if they're in public at the time, so he's rather inured to the sight.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 15:08:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Maylea is the tibbit. Ahaa, I see. So Olard gets just free show I guess and yes, so far as I know Momo is medium size so Olard can have fun with her if she feels up to challenge :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 15:15:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah - I was reading Momo's sheet wrong, she is Medium. I saw <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">BAB/Grapple: +6/+1, +9<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Missed the +9, and thought she had a +1 grapple mod...at level 6, with a +3 Str. So it'll be up to her, indeed. *consults GUCK chart* - a Lesser Large wang is 10 inches, an Average is 12 (apparently minotaurs get a +1 category mod, but he's only half-minotaur).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 21:10:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yay for dual scouts!&nbsp; But don't take that as an invitation to split the party.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-03-2011, 21:21:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				hehe, yeah.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-03-2011, 21:59:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Poor Olard is going to be very confused by this point...masters use their slaves out in the open, or wherever they are when the mood strikes them. Consensual couples adhere to propriety and keep private and indoors. You don't start with one and move to the other, that makes no sense at all! ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-03-2011, 03:24:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How far is Maylea going in? like to the archway that enters into the larger chamber, or inside the room to sneak up in the creatures.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>11-03-2011, 07:15:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At the moment, she's only going to the archway.&nbsp; She's going to get a better look at the situation, then see if she can sneak up and take out one or maybe the both of them before they even realize she's there, or at least antagonize them into fucking -- I mean following her out into the waiting arms of the rest of the party.<br><br>Damn plot holes.&nbsp; &nbsp;Just love being able to see what's coming and know it and it just slip out while trying to say something else.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>12-03-2011, 07:14:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, the listen check for a battle is a DC -10, and talking is a DC 0 listen check. The DC for listen increase by 1 for every 10 ft and she is 110 ft away from the cave entrance, and I will give a +2 circumstance bonus to hear Maylea speaking because she shouted. So the Listen DC's are 1 to hear a battle, 9 to hear Maylea shouting, and 19 to understand what she shouted. Don't forget the DC might go up more depending on how far away from the caves mouth you are.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-03-2011, 08:32:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Soooo, Glyph, Xillen, and inflatress, do the three of you have any reaction to the tibbit screaming for help, or the other two taking off to save her?<br><br>Also Zear how many feet did you move?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>17-03-2011, 10:28:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I moved 40'ft. As casting the spell takes standard action and he was back of the group. So perhaps 20-30'ft down the tunnel.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>17-03-2011, 15:47:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry, had posting hiccups. I'll put it IC soon, but if you want to advance story, Olard is immediately rushing off down the tunnel after the other two, though he has to Squeeze to fit properly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 06:31:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ouch, you know 42pts dmg = 0 HP state for Bael :P. Try bluff my way out from this mess.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 06:41:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do we still have a healer for this game? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 06:57:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Beal can heal...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 08:02:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Question; if I use standard action to cure myself with wand, would I fall to -1 doing so or would heal effect kick in before stress hurts me? Anyways he plays dead this round, then uses move action next round take wand out (move actions do not reduce me below 0), and next round tap himself with the wand.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 08:09:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I say you would still take a point of damage, but you would heal yourself above zero, so you won't pass out or anything.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 11:17:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, so this turn play dead, next turn use move action take wand and third round use it and take 1 point dmg but likely I end up with +0 result.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 22:07:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just letting you know. Since Beal is on the ground Olard can stand over him.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 22:44:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Stupid squeezing penalties. If only someone had, say, cast <em>Reduce Person </em> on me...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:28:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't worry, I'm looking at something arcane when we level for Maylea.&nbsp; Maybe spellthief.&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:33:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				you will be happy to know that you will all level up if you can win this fight.<br><br>Also glyph, using your chain like that is an improvised weapon, you would be better off using your gore attack. Not that it matters now with a nat 1<br><br>As for Pink, when you say a nat 20 it would be nice to know the total roll two. I don't want to look up your escape modifier for when you're in cat form.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:45:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Why is it an improvised weapon? That's just a fluff-description for me attacking an adjacent target instead of 10ft. away; <del>spiked</del> war chains can do that, after all.<br><br>@PoP: Aye, natural 20's are not auto-success in opposed rolls, sadly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:50:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4451301#msg4451301">Quote from: ulthakptah on 01-04-2011, 23:33:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">you will be happy to know that you will all level up if you can win this fight.<br><br>Also glyph, using your chain like that is an improvised weapon, you would be better off using your gore attack. Not that it matters now with a nat 1<br><br>As for Pink, when you say a nat 20 it would be nice to know the total roll two. I don't want to look up your escape modifier for when you're in cat form.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yay, level 4 spells! Blast of flame is always funsies. That or explosive cascade. <br><br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:52:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My bad.&nbsp; Total 36.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-04-2011, 23:58:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4451344#msg4451344">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 01-04-2011, 23:45:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Why is it an improvised weapon? That's just a fluff-description for me attacking an adjacent target instead of 10ft. away; <del>spiked</del> war chains can do that, after all.<br><br>@PoP: Aye, natural 20's are not auto-success in opposed rolls, sadly.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Ah, I seemed to have mixed up some rules about squeezing and grappling, and thought that you can't use a two handed weapon while squeezing, but I can't seem to find that in the rules for squeezing so I must be wrong.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 00:01:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I take a -4 to attacks while squeezing, so it's basically the same thing as an improvised weapon...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 00:13:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, squeezing gives enough penalties as it is already. Anycase next round Bael starts draw wand, trusting his action is covered out of sight from two brutes. Then he heals himself and he can poke Olard's ass with wand while being under him in prone position :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 00:44:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We have no dedicated healer right now? Well that is not goodsies. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 00:47:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I smack people and heal ouchies, but this is a poor environment for me to be smacking people.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 00:57:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4451588#msg4451588">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 02-04-2011, 00:47:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I smack people and heal ouchies, but this is a poor environment for me to be smacking people.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Enlarge person it is then! We can use you to block off the cave tunnel and smother the ranger under you. It's a win-win!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 01:51:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Technically, it's a lose-lose-lose situation - you lose your spell slot for no effect due to the text of EP, I lose hit points because squeezing hits me with a -4 AC penalty, and the enemy loses the fight because we're still awesome.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 02:01:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yep you guys are so awesome. Two of you are at 0, and you big furry monster just roll a nat 1. Totally awesome.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 02:06:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey...I had a <em>good</em> plan. Did anyone listen to me? Noooooooooo....... :-[ :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>02-04-2011, 03:05:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I forgets. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 02:05:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Olard and Layla still haven't acted this round.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 02:07:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whoops.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 22:36:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, I've been a very bad bad DM. Glyph, the animated enhancement is a +2. Which would make your shield cost as much as a +3 shield, but you only listed it costing as much as a +2 shield. I really should have caught this earlier, and since it's been so long I'm just going to let it slide.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 23:12:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huh, so it is. I didn't spend 9K on it like I should? Werps.<br><br>We can take it out of my loot portion, if we ever earn any actual loot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 23:23:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I just added up the gold on your sheet, and even with the shield being +2 you are over by 1,000 gold. Starting gold was 13,000 and with the extra cost of the shield that puts you 6 grand in the hole.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-04-2011, 23:27:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll audit myself again later...I wonder where that extra 1K came from, though...<br><br>Eh. You said we level up after this fight, and expected WBL for ECL7 is exactly 19,000GP, or 6K above ECL6. So I'm just WBL-set for 1 higher than I was supposed to be, and you don't need to give me anything out of this upcoming loot pile.<br>...maybe that's what happened, I transcribed the total for ECL7 against ECL6.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 02:59:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do I need to post at all until the fight is over?&nbsp; Cause if not, I think I'm going to start working on a wild hair.&nbsp; And yes, I typed that right.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 03:03:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You don't need to post, but if you want to moan and respond to the tentacles you can.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 03:07:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's totally true, now I think about it.&nbsp; Hee hee.&nbsp; Good thing they're all too busy trying to kill my party members.&nbsp; Otherwise, Maylea would be lunch by now.<br><br>Meanwhile, Incarnate, here I come.&nbsp; Hehehehehehehehehehe.&nbsp; Should make things interesting in a just in case kind of moment.&nbsp; Like right now, when the rest of the party is getting beaten to a bloody pulp.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:10:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You left me alone with the monsters!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:12:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				it's either leave you alone with the monsters, or a DC13 Reflex save each turn vs. becoming Panicked and being out of the fight for 2 rounds minimum.<br><br>At least this way, you have a chokepoint and two badly injured monsters to finish off.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:17:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				One is badly injured the other is sort of meh. Bitches be having crazy constitution.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:17:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And if Ulth approves a second char for me, you've got backup incoming.&nbsp; And I mean HEAVY firepower.<br><br>Ulth, you approve?&nbsp; Since at the moment Maylea's out of the fight, and it may take them a bit to get through this?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:26:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Why would a new character just appear out of now where? Anyway I think you guys got this.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 05:40:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*shrugs*&nbsp; Just a thought.&nbsp; Haha.&nbsp; I'm just wanting to build a sixth level Rilkan Incarnate Divine Mind Gestalt.&nbsp; Hehe.&nbsp; I'll just finish him up, and you can come up with a way to fit him in.&nbsp; Hehehe.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 15:52:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4469320#msg4469320">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 06-04-2011, 05:40:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*shrugs*&nbsp; Just a thought.&nbsp; Haha.&nbsp; I'm just wanting to build a sixth level Rilkan Incarnate Divine Mind Gestalt.&nbsp; Hehe.&nbsp; I'll just finish him up, and you can come up with a way to fit him in.&nbsp; Hehehe.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Six levle rilkan incarnate/divine mind?! Sounds quite nice :). What mantles and what alignment?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 18:18:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So far all I have figured out is Neutral Good going with Mielikki as a Deity.&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 18:19:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I see, go with ranged divine mind instead muscle? Just thought two archers could be good thing as we got two strong melee types in group.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 21:07:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Primary melee, but I'll be investing some of his gold into an uber crossbow.&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-04-2011, 23:00:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, you no longer want to play as Maylea and are making a new character?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 02:04:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye yup.&nbsp; And since the party seems to be retreating back up the corridor, now would be as good a time as any to go ahead and bring him in.&nbsp; Maylea was fun, but hehehe.&nbsp; Even as a Player, I think like a DM.&nbsp; *hands over Maylea's sheet (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=266418) for DM's use as the DM sees fit*&nbsp; I'll have him ready to bring in within a few hours.&nbsp; So yeah.<br><br>EDIT!<br>For Zaer...<br><br>6th Level Divine Mind/Incarnate Gestalt Follower of Mielikki with Freedom and Life Mantles, as well as Sighting Glove Soulmeld CONTINUOUSLY active.&nbsp; Yes, he's going to be another archer.<br><br><br>EDIT TWO:<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>Makanian Drenzigar</strong> (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=288512)<br>Male Neutral Good Rilkan Incarnate/Divine Mind 6, <strong>Level</strong> 6, <strong>Init</strong> +4, <strong>HP</strong> 75/75, <strong>Speed</strong>&nbsp; <br><strong>AC</strong> 21, <strong>Touch</strong> 14, <strong>Flat-footed</strong> 17, <strong>Fort</strong> +9, <strong>Ref</strong> +6, <strong>Will</strong> +9, <strong>Base Attack Bonus</strong> 4, <strong>Power Points</strong> 18/18 <br><strong>+1, Distance, Seeking Heavy Repeating Crossbow </strong> +9 (1d10, 19-20/x2)<br><strong>+2, Light Fortification Chainmail</strong> (+7 Armor, +4 Dex)<br><strong>Abilities</strong> Str 17, Dex 18, Con 18, Int 17, Wis 18, Cha 16<br><strong>Condition</strong> None<br>14 Essentia, 3 Max/Soulmeld, 4 Soulmeld Known, 2 Chakra Bind<br>Airstep Sandals: Fly 10 feet + 10 feet per point of essentia invested: BIND EFFECT: Flight gains perfect maneuverability (Bound to Feet Chakra, 5 Essentia Invested)<br><br>Cerulean Sandals: Walk on water + 10 feet land speed per point of essentia invested: BIND EFFECT: Dimension Door as the spell at 10 feet per incarnate level total through multiple uses in 10 foot increments (60 feet)<br><br>Sighting Gloves: +1 insight bonus on ranged damage +1 per point of essentia invested: BIND EFFECT: Benefit of Precise Shot (Bound to Feet Chakra, 5 Essentia Invested)<br><br>Impulse Boots: Uncanny Dodge +1 to Reflex saves per point of essentia invested: BIND EFFECT: Gain benefit of Evasion</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>EDIT THREE:<br>Forgot to take his feats.&nbsp; But is okay.&nbsp; He's all done now!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 03:42:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ulk, can you throw some markers down on the map for the extent of the Entangle spell? I'm not sure where it was centered.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 04:01:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's from where Beal is to 80ft north in the cave
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 04:11:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So am I cool to bring in my new guy?&nbsp; Or do you want me to wait until Maylea gets eaten?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 04:19:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				She isn't going to get eaten. Anyway I really can't think of a reason why your new guy would be wandering this cave by himself. I could just have him randomly teleported there by accident, but that feels a little cliche.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 07:18:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Or someone could have mentioned the party leaving town heading this way, and he decided to come check on them and see how they were faring with the monsters?&nbsp; Hehehehe.&nbsp; Meh.&nbsp; It's up to you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 07:24:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Awww, no female char :P. Liked so far 'gender balance' of the group presently. Anycase looks nice char :). Crossbow vs bow hehe. But as tip you could try get power shot from PHB II. Allows make single ranged attack (bow or crossbow) as 60'ft long line. A future feat investment. Also what's your planned third mantle? Nature or Good?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 07:37:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm either retreating or luring the baddies away from the four of you. Either/or. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 07:40:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4474294#msg4474294">Quote from: NicciKotor on 07-04-2011, 07:37:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm a giant chicken "Bwak, Bwak, Bwak!" <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That's what I heard.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 07:59:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4474304#msg4474304">Quote from: ulthakptah on 07-04-2011, 07:40:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's what I heard.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No tentacle monsters for me, and that is the important factor in all of this. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 08:45:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">From <em>Magic of Incarnum</em> Rilkan Racial Entry<br><br>You believe in being a Hero with a capital H, and heroes don't wait for a cohort to try the rope bridge first.<br><br>More than perhaps any other culture, rilkans believe in the fundamental drama of life.&nbsp; Every day should have meaning, every night should bring passion.&nbsp; The path of the adventurer is replete with drama and thus highly respected in rilkan society.&nbsp; Unlike in other societies where a mother might scold her child for dreaming of swordplay, a rilkan family might actively seek out a noted duelist to tutor the young lad.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So yeah.&nbsp; I could actually see, if the DM approves, the new character having followed and tracked the party after just missing them leaving, seeking out an adventure.&nbsp; And he's JUST NOW managed to catch up to them.&nbsp; Would that be acceptable, Mister DM guy?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 08:52:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				sure
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 08:56:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4474476#msg4474476">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 07-04-2011, 08:45:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So yeah.&nbsp; I could actually see, if the DM approves, the new character having followed and tracked the party after just missing them leaving, seeking out an adventure.&nbsp; And he's JUST NOW managed to catch up to them.&nbsp; Would that be acceptable, Mister DM guy?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yay new meatshield!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 09:12:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okiedokie.&nbsp; *runs off to go ahead and post*&nbsp; And no, he's not a front liner.&nbsp; He has NO melee weapons.&nbsp; Though I COULD afford one for him...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 09:41:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4474553#msg4474553">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 07-04-2011, 09:12:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okiedokie.&nbsp; *runs off to go ahead and post*&nbsp; And no, he's not a front liner.&nbsp; He has NO melee weapons.&nbsp; Though I COULD afford one for him...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yay new meatshield!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 13:11:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4474553#msg4474553">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 07-04-2011, 09:12:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okiedokie.&nbsp; *runs off to go ahead and post*&nbsp; And no, he's not a front liner.&nbsp; He has NO melee weapons.&nbsp; Though I COULD afford one for him...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Note; Bael has neither melee weapon but guess who was in front line :P. But true his bow could transform into greatsword as swift action.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 15:02:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Holy crap, I'm like freaking Jaws this turn.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 17:49:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed, considering, you may be hitting Bael with that frenzy of attacks :P. As he is directly above you when you went underground (odd that Bael did not come with you when you burrowed).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 17:52:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's why I took a 5-ft. step sideways first. :D<br><br>As for coming with me, I don't leave a tunnel or any sign of passage, so Bael is fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 18:14:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You know you just broke your knight's code three times, right? You only had one use of knight's challenge left, so after your second attack you take a -2 to attacks and saves. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 19:27:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whyzat? If they're not flat-footed, nothing in the Code prevents me from attacking them behind protective cover. I'm not claiming a flanking bonus, they're not flat-footed, and they're not helpless. It's no more a violation of my CoC than using a shield would be - if they're smart enough to have readied actions, I can't pull this off more than once without taking a serious beatdown in retribution.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 19:29:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You have total concealment to them, which means they are flat footed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 19:37:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huh. Ah well, nothing I can do about that now. Both IC and OOC, letting the code lapse is preferable to staying to fight in those conditions - both Squeezed and snared by roots with a save every round vs. panic...they don't fight fair, so Olard doesn't feel bad about being sneaky. It'll upset him that he had to abandon his allies (even temporarily), though, so a -2 penalty it is.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 19:44:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But your a knight, they aren't. You should feel bad about having to stoop to their level.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-04-2011, 19:58:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You don't survive long in the Underdark with principles if you're not willing to compromise them on occasion. Olard's not upset about 'stooping to their level' specifically so much as that he had to because his strength and size failed him. His defining principle is that strength should be used to protect people who are smaller and weaker; this is a situation where protecting his allies means abandoning his tenet of strength &gt; all, which is very demoralizing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>08-04-2011, 20:26:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Zear, waiting on you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>08-04-2011, 20:34:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4480416#msg4480416">Quote from: ulthakptah on 08-04-2011, 20:26:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Zear, waiting on you.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh? Sorry, anycase Bael does nothing. He lays still put to wait to the tentacle freaks get more distracted or more specifically away from him so he can heal himself :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>10-04-2011, 18:48:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Pink what did you use to teleport 80 feet?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>10-04-2011, 20:12:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Dimension Hop..&nbsp; First level power from the Freedom Mantle, which is active at the moment, btw.&nbsp; So everyone within thirty feet of Makanian has a +3 to escape artists and grapple checks to escape restraints.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>10-04-2011, 20:27:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But doesn't Dimension Hop only go 10ft plus five feet for every power point put in, so in order for you to teleport 80ft you would need to have spent 15 power point while manifesting it. Isn't it something like you can only put as many points in a power as your manifester level?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>10-04-2011, 21:32:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh.&nbsp; So it is.&nbsp; Eeps.&nbsp; Must have read the wrong power.&nbsp; Crap.&nbsp; Aight.&nbsp; I'll edit it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 18:25:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So pink, hows that edit coming? And Zaer are you going to do something this round?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 18:33:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nop, Bael continues play dead for now. But once monsters start focus on cave then he can consider wand his ass and join the fight.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 21:25:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It was already edited.&nbsp; Thought I posted here saying so.&nbsp; Stupid computer.&nbsp; I swear, one of these days...<br><br>lol.&nbsp; Sorry about that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 22:23:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't notice because when I read the post I just read the OOC at the bottom. You should include your move actions in that especially when you do something like teleporting. Another thing that made me think the post wasn't fixed was that you still attacked. I'm pretty sure you couldn't move through all the way to Beal and still have a standard action left to attack.<br><br>That tunnel is 80ft long. I know I didn't make it 80ft long on the map, but that's because I didn't think that there would be any combat there. I only made it as long as it needed to fit all the people standing in it at that time, but I assure you that the tunnel is 80ft long, and even if it wasn't there would still be 80ft of difficult terrain for you to cross, because the entangle spell has a radius of 40ft which means it has a diameter of 80ft. Teleporting can only get you 35ft in because you can only put six points in the power, and with half you move speed from the difficult terrain that make 50ft.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 22:47:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So the Reflex save didn't help that?<br><br>Ah well.&nbsp; I made this character versatile, there's more he can do.&nbsp; Fixed!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>17-04-2011, 22:53:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Flying doesn't help. You're in a five foot by five foot cave. even if you are not touching the ground there are still roots sticking out from the wall and ceiling grabbing at you. That is what makes the terrain difficult to traverse. If there was no ceiling you could fly up and over, but you are in a tunnel.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:21:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh.&nbsp; lol.&nbsp; My bad.&nbsp; Misunderstood that.&nbsp; Well, here you go.&nbsp; Finally got it fixed.&nbsp; Stupid DMs never pulling stuff like this with me around before.&nbsp; Sorry about that!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:24:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah I asked him about flying before, and this is a very short cave system! For shame!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:29:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4520614#msg4520614">Quote from: NicciKotor on 18-04-2011, 03:24:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah I asked him about flying before, and this is a very short cave system! For shame!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It goes deeper.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:31:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4520637#msg4520637">Quote from: ulthakptah on 18-04-2011, 03:29:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It goes deeper.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>that's what she said? ???
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:34:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4520645#msg4520645">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 18-04-2011, 03:31:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">that's what she said? ???<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Gasp! How Rude!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 03:41:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4520645#msg4520645">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 18-04-2011, 03:31:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">that's what she said? ???<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I was tempted to say like your mom, but that's funny too.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 07:39:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait a second. Can you take a run action while burrowing Glyph?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 15:15:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No reason I shouldn't be able to. Burrow's a speed just like walking, swimming, or flying, and you can Run while doing all of those (unless it's granted by magic, but that doesn't apply here).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 17:41:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Monster Manual I, page 311</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Burrow: A creature with a burrow speed can tunnel through dirt,<br>but not through rock unless the descriptive text says otherwise.<br>Creatures cannot charge or run while burrowing. Most burrowing<br>creatures do not leave behind tunnels other creatures can use<br>(either because the material they tunnel through fills in behind<br>them or because they do not actually dislocate any material when<br>burrowing); see the individual creature descriptions for details.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Okay, I looked it up and you can't.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-04-2011, 17:44:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huh. I hadn't noticed that. Okay, so instead of a run, a double-move, same heading.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-04-2011, 03:11:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If I take a "5ft-step" directly upward next round, I'll still be submerged in the earth roughly up to my waist - would that count as cover, since I can still move freely?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-04-2011, 03:19:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't think it would count as cover because your a large creature. That whole if you have line of sight to at least one square thing, and you are two squares tall.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-04-2011, 03:29:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fair enough - I asked because of this passage:<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Low Obstacles and Cover<br>A low obstacle (such as a wall no higher than half your height) provides cover, but only to creatures within 30 feet (6 squares) of it. The attacker can ignore the cover if he’s closer to the obstacle than his target.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>the paragraph on Big Creatures, though, supports a no:<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Big Creatures and Cover<br>Any creature with a space larger than 5 feet (1 square) determines cover against melee attacks slightly differently than smaller creatures do. Such a creature can choose any square that it occupies to determine if an opponent has cover against its melee attacks. <strong>Similarly, when making a melee attack against such a creature, you can pick any of the squares it occupies to determine if it has cover against you.</strong> <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-04-2011, 04:12:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, the second rule is the one that applies to this situation, because you are a big creature.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-04-2011, 06:34:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Waiting on pink
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>27-04-2011, 23:48:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, go ahead and post since pink isn't responding.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>28-04-2011, 05:50:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Gasp!<br><br>Whip harder!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>03-05-2011, 13:31:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I apologize.&nbsp; I just recently cleaned out my bookmarks, and apparently I cleared out the RHP bookmarks too.&nbsp; But thanks to Ulth, I got them back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>05-05-2011, 15:15:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, Ulth?&nbsp; How soon could I look into getting something else added to my Crossbow?&nbsp; Namely, a Burst effect.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-05-2011, 18:36:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Probably the next city, but you would need to have the money to pay for it too. Also you haven't seen the area that you are Dimension Dooring into. How do you know how far to go at that angle?<br><br>Anyway, Beal can only hit 1, so he hits one and finishes it off.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>05-05-2011, 18:59:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, right.&nbsp; Forgot about that.&nbsp; Let me double check something though...<br><br>*5 mins later*<br><br>Okay.&nbsp; DD doesn't require knowledge of the location, just a specific direction to go.&nbsp; However, I can't make that attack as per the description of the spell.&nbsp; Also, I can bring one willing subject with me.&nbsp; Worst that happens is I take 1d6 damage per five feet shunted, which happens if I end up in a solid wall at the end.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>05-05-2011, 23:34:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ice dagger is not a 4d6+11. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:17:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah Ice dagger is 5d4, and Ice knife is 2d8. Where are you getting 4d6+11?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:22:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ack, a typo. A bonus which was meant not to be there :P. -11 to his dmg then and instead he does 19pts cold dmg.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:24:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg4601051#msg4601051">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 06-05-2011, 00:22:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ack, a typo. A bonus which was meant not to be there :P. -11 to his dmg then and instead he does 19pts cold dmg.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>19 points from a 4d5? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:24:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah you still messed up it should be 5d4 not 4d6
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:32:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aww damn :P. Oh well, here is re-roll for dmg;<br><br>At 2011-05-05 17:31:56, Zaer Darkwail (uid: 14) rolls: 4d5 Result: 12 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=25611)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:54:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it's not dead anymore.<br><br>Glyph which one do you attack after you down or trip #3?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 00:59:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll go for #1.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>06-05-2011, 21:09:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey, I know I should be posting, but I'm going to be without Internet for this weekend sorry.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>10-05-2011, 04:16:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4620274#msg4620274">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 10-05-2011, 04:10:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">(Did the first one try to get up before attacking me, and if not, did you factor in the -4 penalty on attack rolls for being prone?)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It did not stand before grabbing at you. Lucky for it your touch AC is, what a 9 right now? Not that hard to touch. I did take the -4 for both attack rolls.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-05-2011, 05:38:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Glyph you still have a turn. It just grabbed you you can try and break free or gore it or something.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-05-2011, 06:01:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, right.<br><br>Counter-grapple attempt of &nbsp;35 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=26446) to break free<br>If that fails, <br>counter-grapple 2 of 24 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=26447)<br>If it succeeds, <br>Attack AC 18 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=26448) (not counting its Prone penalty) for &nbsp;24 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=26449).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-06-2011, 14:29:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ooh boy. You all just have the boss fight left then you can get out of the cave and these woods. Hurray! By the way everyone needs to make spot checks. And by everyone I mean everyone who isn't unconscious or far off being fondled by roots.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>18-06-2011, 23:05:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok.<br><br>At 2011-06-18 16:04:50, Zaer Darkwail (uid: 14) rolls: 1d20a+12 Result: 27 (https://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=27876)<br><br>Haven't done yet level ups but do today.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>19-06-2011, 00:05:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah I already leveled up. Got myself stoneskin, dragon breath, and spider climb. Also got 20 on my spot check. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-06-2011, 00:05:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bael (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=239226) has been updated also! Some slimy goodness and strenght draining spells and also feat to improve his cooshie now become mobile ambushing tackler pet!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 08:12:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So what is the plan now gang?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:19:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Make camp? Either in here or the woods. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:24:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Resting after every combat? Man I really need dial it back a bit.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>24-06-2011, 09:56:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Makanian's out of Power Points.&nbsp; He's not a caster, but he does have SOME healing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-06-2011, 05:33:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The lot of you are horrible adventurers. You just killed a bunch of monsters. Why haven't you looked to see if they had treasure?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>26-06-2011, 10:49:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Tibbit is still out cold, and Makanian is busy flirting.&nbsp; Give him a minute.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>27-06-2011, 04:46:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8373 (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8373)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-07-2011, 09:27:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92169.msg4948007#msg4948007">Quote from: Pretty in Pink on 19-07-2011, 09:12:46</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">While Bael spent time in reverie, Makanian kept watch, his eyes seeming to glow in the gloom as he glanced around, watching as everyone slowly rose from sleep.&nbsp; He nodded.&nbsp; "That is true as toasted toads," he said, glancing around at the walls.&nbsp; "The problem is, I couldn't find any other entrances.&nbsp; So it doesn't look like this cave goes any deeper, unless someone wants to check me on that fact.&nbsp; I certainly didn't see anything."<br><br>Maylea slowly stretched, finally awakening from a long, very-much needed nap, blinking her eyes slowly as she rose, carefully checking herself over, only to realize her rather unclothed state.&nbsp; Squeaking, she immediately seemed to vanish, diving behind Bael's companion as she peeked out from closest to the wall.&nbsp; "Um... my things... please...&nbsp; I'm rather... I'm in a bit of a compromising position?" she said softly, her eyes blinking slowly.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>The cave does go deeper. It was on the shown on the map also a stray goblin came out of there and Momo kill it remember.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Pretty in Pink</strong> on <strong>19-07-2011, 12:28:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And you said outright that Makanian did NOT find anything.&nbsp; &nbsp;Though I do apologize.&nbsp; I thought that was just another alcove.&nbsp; Will edit accordingly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-07-2011, 06:35:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well is anyone actually going to go deeper into the cave? You know fight the monster, get treasure, save the world, that whole deal.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>26-07-2011, 20:28:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hehe, Layla is ready!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>31-07-2011, 11:07:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Whipcha* post monkeys!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>16-08-2011, 13:22:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				bl
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-09-2011, 07:47:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Glyph? Pink? You guys still with us?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>05-09-2011, 07:51:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Zombies!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-09-2011, 08:49:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And green blurry missiles of furry doom.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-09-2011, 15:05:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Blorf.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-09-2011, 00:46:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm starting to see a bit of a problem with forum combat. Sometimes it's hard to come up with a long post for what is essentially six seconds. So I was think about trying some thing new. Playing through the combat outside of the IC thread with only system stuff. Then when it's over I write up what happen in the battle. How does everyone feel about that?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>13-09-2011, 04:44:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rawrs! That and we need fresh blood in this game. And more pathfinder!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-09-2011, 10:55:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fine with that. Indeed, some fresh blood could be nice but fine play as four of us.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 00:26:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I heard pathfinder and new blood. The pathfinder part should be easy enough. Nicci is the one who suggested it, and Zaer wanted to use the pathfinder arcane archer to began with. Glpyh wants to be killed off and make a new character, Inflatress wants to be killed because she likes to be killed, and Pink is MIA. <br><br>So I think I keep some 3.5 making it more of a hybrid. It's pretty easy to do a rough conversion of 3.5 to pathfinder. Take 3 away from the required skills to qualify for feats and classes. If you want to use a 3.5 race and it has no level adjustment add two to one ability score, or if it does take 1 off the level adjustment. This does not apply to templates. Templates work the same as before. If you like a 3.5 version of a class more than pathfinder you can use that instead.<br><br>As for new blood how many more people are you looking to get?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 09:52:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				2-3 would be decent sum. Also nice if we keep it hybrid :). Anyways my race is +2 but I bought LA off into 1, so would it make my race now +0?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 16:56:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure, when you say 2-3 do you mean 2-3 new people or do you just want to continue with the 2-3 people you have?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 21:29:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				2-3 new people :). Need at least one to work as band aid somekind.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 22:41:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We don't need a bandaid if we get more firepower to kill enemies faster - buy everyone a couple healing belts instead and we're good.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>14-09-2011, 22:50:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This is a gestalt game. It wouldn't be to hard to make a heavy damage dealer with full divine spells. I have a pretty good one in one of Zaer's games and that game isn't even gestalt.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-09-2011, 00:34:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My point was more that being 'the bandaid' is hella boring.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-09-2011, 10:41:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Being bandaid is not boring. You could be crusader who has lots of healing maneuvers in use example and use healing stances.<br><br>Or other cleric who heals and buffs everyone with augment healing feat. Or perhaps PrC which does damage to foe via draining HP and healing himself and allies with the damage.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-09-2011, 15:23:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5212728#msg5212728">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 15-09-2011, 10:41:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Being bandaid is not boring. You could be crusader who has lots of healing maneuvers in use example and use healing stances.<br><br>Or other cleric who heals and buffs everyone with augment healing feat. Or perhaps PrC which does damage to foe via draining HP and healing himself and allies with the damage.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>those are fun ways to heal. The Bandaid doesn't do any of that, he just sits and casts Cure spells each turn.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>16-09-2011, 12:08:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, perhaps when I said 'baidnaid' I should had said 'healer'. Example if you use warlock approach you could become eldrict theurge and heal with eldrict blast hit :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-09-2011, 17:31:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Stab them with your healing shiv?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>18-09-2011, 21:22:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Know Acana and Nature checks from Momo please.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>18-09-2011, 23:25:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				22 arcane and 25 know nature. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 09:46:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*facepalms*<br><br>I knew what was going to happen instant when Momo went to dispell the monster. A question; in what point monster used any spell-alike abilities when encounter started? You now unerfed the guy who now made waste on Olard with full strenght.<br><br>Next time; more nukes and less dispelling vs a clear meat shield brute with insane HP pool :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 14:17:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				250-odd damage on an x4 Crit means 75 damage/hit normally average. Assuming he rolled max damage on his 4d6 hammer and a +5 weapon, that means he's got a strength score of well over 50, possibly close to 100. I gotta see what crazy template stacking can accomplish that. ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 16:49:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Str mod of 15, most of which comes from classes. Also fighter feats from more damage with that weapon. A template does give him powerful build which makes him use a larger weapon, that and monkey grip. His hammer has a core of gold plated in adamantine. I know normally you can't mix special materials, but I think it should work like this since the gold is only suppose to make it heavy. Anyway with the sizes and the heavy weapon damage for the hammer comes out to 6d8. Also when I roll crit I like to actually multiply the damage by the multiplier, and it was damn near max damage for that.<br><br>In short really big hammer.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 17:42:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait, you let Powerful Build and Monkey Grip stack? Wish I had known that before.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 17:48:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5229867#msg5229867">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 19-09-2011, 17:42:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Wait, you let Powerful Build and Monkey Grip stack? Wish I had known that before.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>No where does it say it wouldn't stack
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 18:28:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Because they both allow a weapon one size larger than the original size - by RAW, they overlap, not stack. For that matter, they wouldn't, by RAW, stack with Strongarm Bracers either, since those also ply off the 'original weapon size'.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 18:47:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Monkey grip says you can use a weapon larger than your size, and powerful build says you are treated as one size larger. In the description of the Strongarm Bracers it says they let you wield weapons as if you were a size larger, and don't stack with powerful build. It does not however say it wouldn't stack with monkey grip.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 18:53:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Either way; a damn cheesy boss monster who nearly one shot me :P. Now I can only hope Momohime stops debuffing the critter and just blow it pieces as it is not magic immune. Otherwise my doggy acts like beat bag again :(. But if things go worst I am near exit and can do classic 'run for your life' survival stragedy. As I doubt entangle would slow that thing down much.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 22:23:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5230142#msg5230142">Quote from: ulthakptah on 19-09-2011, 18:47:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Monkey grip says you can use a weapon larger than your size, and powerful build says you are treated as one size larger. In the description of the Strongarm Bracers it says they let you wield weapons as if you were a size larger, and don't stack with powerful build. It does not however say it wouldn't stack with monkey grip.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It doesn't say it wouldn't stack because they do the same thing.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Monkey Grip</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You can use melee weapons one size category larger than you are with a -2 penalty on the attack roll, but the amount of effort it takes you to use the weapon does not change.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Powerful Build</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A half-giant can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Neither ability actually increases your size or says you count as one size larger for the purpose of wielding weapons, they both let you wield a weapon one size larger than you are. So having them stack is a houserule.<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 22:40:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think the two are different. Mainly if you think about it with the off hand. With powerful build for all purposes you are one size larger. That means that when you use two weapon fighting you can have a two handed weapon in your main hand and a one handed weapon in your off hand. However monkey grip is only for you main hand which makes it so you would have a two handed weapon in your main hand and still need a light weapon in your off hand. That and you still have the penalty -2 penalty for attacks. To me the two are very different.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Expanded Psionics</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Powerful Build: The physical stature of half-giants lets them<br>function in many ways as if they were one size category larger.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: MIC</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">When wearing strongarm bracers, you can<br>wield weapons as if you were one size<br>category larger than normal.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-09-2011, 23:24:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If you actually read the wording of the abilities, though, they don't stack is the point. It's a logical houserule (and might actually make Monkey Grip useful, because it sucks normally), but it doesn't actually work. Even that quoted line says 'in many ways', and the next two lines explain exactly how...you count as one size larger for size checks, and can wield weapons larger than normal - in a separate clause from the 'you count as larger' part.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">With powerful build for all purposes you are one size larger.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>If you read Powerful build, that's not true, which is the problem.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> That means that when you use two weapon fighting you can have a two handed weapon in your main hand and a one handed weapon in your off hand. However monkey grip is only for you main hand which makes it so you would have a two handed weapon in your main hand and still need a light weapon in your off hand.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>And this is explicitly not true for Monkey Grip. A two-handed weapon still requires two hands to wield, it says so in the second line of the ability.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-09-2011, 01:05:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well I did some looking up and you're right. WoTC released a FAQ that specifically stated that the two don't stack, so it's a house rule now. Really all the feat did was trade 2 attack for 2d8, and is it really going to make a fighter any where close to as powerful as a wizard? nope.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>20-09-2011, 02:16:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Time to do my tri-elemental attack then. Just hope I can get within melee range without getting one hit killed. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-09-2011, 02:18:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5231548#msg5231548">Quote from: ulthakptah on 20-09-2011, 01:05:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well I did some looking up and you're right. WoTC released a FAQ that specifically stated that the two don't stack, so it's a house rule now. Really all the feat did was trade 2 attack for 2d8, and is it really going to make a fighter any where close to as powerful as a wizard? nope.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, 'as powerful as a wizard' is not a good standard to be shooting for, but it's certainly not going to be overpowered, I agree.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 02:39:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				404 Sheet Conversion Error Detected.<br><br>The Diamond Mind school of maneuvers has Concentration as a keystone skill (particularly for the defensive Counters), which doesn't exist in Pathfinder. What should I use as a substitute?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 02:43:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5236562#msg5236562">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 21-09-2011, 02:39:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">404 Sheet Conversion Error Detected.<br><br>The Diamond Mind school of maneuvers has Concentration as a keystone skill (particularly for the defensive Counters), which doesn't exist in Pathfinder. What should I use as a substitute?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> is it skill requirements or skill checks? If it's requirements forget them completely. If it skill checks, concentration has be replaced with caster checks, so since it's a combat thing use base attack plus con.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 02:53:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's a skill check. Specifically, it's the line of Counters that let you substitute a Concentration check for a saving throw.<br><br>BAB+Con? Sad for a 3/4 BAB class - quite sad, in fact...drops the bonus from +14 (10 ranks, +4 Con) to +9 (BAB +5, +4 Con). Now I have to decide if they're worth it or not anymore, since I do have a finite maneuver supply.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 02:55:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				in that case use levels in the class instead.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 02:58:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That works - in fact, that's basically using my martial adept level in place of my caster level, which is the logical solution anyways.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 04:12:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Once Zaer says hes ready to go too, I'll fast travel you guys to the Inn where the new PC's will be.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 04:15:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5236578#msg5236578">Quote from: ulthakptah on 21-09-2011, 02:43:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> is it skill requirements or skill checks? If it's requirements forget them completely. If it skill checks, concentration has be replaced with caster checks, so since it's a combat thing use base attack plus con.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Concentration has been absorbed into the spellcraft skill. Now in order to cast a spell defensively, you need to make a spellcraft check of 15+spell level DC. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 07:37:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But none martial adepts have spellcraft :P. So more sense use iniator level + whatever would be key governing stat for it. I used wisdom + iniator level as total modifier with swordsage example.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>21-09-2011, 10:13:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Here is my pathfinder updated Bael'reth-ruil (assuming fey'ri race has no LA if not taking one the better Sp's).<br><br>http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331022 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331022)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 00:54:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Before I lock in spells known does anyone have any major requests? From what I can tell the other main arcane caster does a lot of buffing (especially self buffing) and damage with a splash of utility. <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:33:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have no requests really but you could take a mass group debufs and some buffs which I do not cover. I am kind of mixed in spell selection as I try fit spells suitable for arcane archer mostly (so self-buffs and area spells are my deal). Can empower already ray of enfeeblement which is nice :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:46:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Battlefield control, debuffs, and group buffs is what I went for. I'm rather squishy so I went for some defensive personal buffs.&nbsp; My cohort is really fond of buffing others too. The dread necromancer spell list alone ensures debuffing is a constant. One thing you'll hardly ever see me do is damage unless i'm combining it with healing via negative energy and lord of uttercold. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:49:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				hehe, but also dread necro can do some decent damage with some spells. They are touch based but spectral hand is for that purpose ;).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:52:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331095 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331095)<br><br>This is my now updated character sheet. It's a different sheet then the original and Millarca is now Mircalla, Bonus coolness points if you get the literary reference with his name. The only thing I may still add is some mundane items which since we are in town can be even said he just bought them off camera. <br><br>With things like haste, glitterdust and rope trick I should be augmenting the party well enough. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:55:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have all of the BOOOOOM! spells and abilities, so don't worry about that. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 08:58:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just posting my cohorts hp roll<br><br>At 2011-09-22 01:54:56, PaleEnchantress (uid: 7336) rolls: 4d10 Result: 20 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=31733)<br><br>So each body has 15 + Con mod. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 09:37:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Artificer's monocle is basically just a +10 to spellcraft when identifying magic items now, because of how identifying magic items works in pathfinder.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 09:45:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, understood. Anyways my dawnburst also reveals invisible targets and hurts lot light sensitive guys :P. So cheaper version of glitterdust (I considered get it). Ofc glitterdust is lots ways better than dawnburst (but took dawnburst because it did damage). Anyways we would need able locate invisible foes besides our senses so I try get see invisibillity in next level.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 17:46:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lucky for me see invisibility is a bonus spell from Marid bloodline. Now I have to go to class and see listen as this teacher makes an exciting subject tear jerkingly boring. <br><br><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="bbc_size">Oh for the love of Lamashtu don't stand next to Mircalla when facing any spell caster!&nbsp; </span> His Unseelie template makes him so beautiful that those close enough (adjacent) are absolutely horrified to be around something so unearthly perfect.&nbsp; Mechanics wise this is a penalty to saving throws equal to his CHA mod, it doesn't discriminate between allies and enemies. Combined with his dread necromancer fear aura (that also doesn't discriminate) and you could be at a -9 on all saves. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>22-09-2011, 23:14:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just a reminder Layla is still with you guys, she is just less of a player and more of an NPC.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 02:25:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You know the reason I put you all in the same place was for you all to meet. Not for everyone to rent private baths and hide from everyone else.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 02:39:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5245424#msg5245424">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-09-2011, 02:25:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You know the reason I put you all in the same place was for you all to meet. Not for everyone to rent private baths and hide from everyone else.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>ROTFL! I was wondering why after I set up my scene, everyone ran off into their own rooms. I guess I was a bit on the subtle side so i'll spell it out. Mircalla and Jerion and discussing future adventuring goals in the middle of a public place. Mircalla has his own basin he is bathing in but it's still in the main bathhall. It's almost as if the vamp and his minion were open for someone to evasedrop and interject...... <br><br>At the very least they are eyecatching enough that they will be noticable in the future.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 02:47:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5245424#msg5245424">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-09-2011, 02:25:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You know the reason I put you all in the same place was for you all to meet. Not for everyone to rent private baths and hide from everyone else.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nevar! *jumps out window!*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 02:52:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5245482#msg5245482">Quote from: NicciKotor on 23-09-2011, 02:47:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Nevar! *jumps out window!*<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ahh! Naked plucky battle maiden running through the streets!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 08:27:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm now a bit confused on the type of establishment we are in. Is this a hotel, a resort spa, or a bath house? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 08:30:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				D) all of thee above
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 08:36:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5246625#msg5246625">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-09-2011, 08:30:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">D) all of thee above<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Perfection!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 08:49:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5245424#msg5245424">Quote from: ulthakptah on 23-09-2011, 02:25:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You know the reason I put you all in the same place was for you all to meet. Not for everyone to rent private baths and hide from everyone else.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I thought that I wrote that Langley went to the public bath. Perhaps when I get home from work (currently on my phone) I can have her attempt to sneak/shadow jaunt to one of the more expensive, private ones and run into the currently established party?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-09-2011, 08:53:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5246653#msg5246653">Quote from: Ershin on 23-09-2011, 08:49:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I thought that I wrote that Langley went to the public bath. Perhaps when I get home from work (currently on my phone) I can have her attempt to sneak/shadow jaunt to one of the more expensive, private ones and run into the currently established party?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you're in a communal area then we can probably see each other. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 01:40:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hm. I wonder if I should use a perception check to see if Langley notices the group of men peeking on her.<br><br>Perception roll to notice dudes (1d20+12=25) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3195580/)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 01:47:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With so many people your bound to see at least one of them.<br><br>Anyway if somebody wants to identify those items I'm going to need to see some spellcraft checks. Six since there are six items.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 02:05:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5249513#msg5249513">Quote from: ulthakptah on 24-09-2011, 01:47:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">With so many people your bound to see at least one of them.<br><br>Anyway if somebody wants to identify those items I'm going to need to see some spellcraft checks. Six since there are six items.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That's what take 20 is for. <br><br>But in any case...<br><br>7, 13, 10, 9, 9, 20, <br><br>Each of those with a +26 for my spellcraft plus monocles. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 02:09:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can't take 20 on things you can only try every 24 hours. Unless you want it to last for 20 days.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 02:28:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By the way, is this an indoor bath or an outdoor? Is there any natural daylight in the area or a light spell in effect?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 02:31:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Outdoor baths with high walls, there are everburning torches for when it gets dark, but the sun is just setting.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 03:02:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What did she use her shadow jaunt to do?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 03:07:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5249875#msg5249875">Quote from: ulthakptah on 24-09-2011, 03:02:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What did she use her shadow jaunt to do?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div> Used it as a standard action to teleport from where she was in the water to the top of the wall that divides the two sections of the bath, presuming it's less than 50 feet away from where she was in the bath.&nbsp; I should probably edit that to be more clear, along with a roll to jump down into the men's side?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 03:25:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I get the feeling you forgot that you needed line of sight to use it, and thought you could just teleport to the other side of the wall. Anyway if you are on top the wall you are high enough to take fall damage.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 09:30:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, that is pretty much an accurate description of what actually happened with that. I <em>may</em> have been thinking of the at-will teleportation feat from Complete Mage... Ethereal Jaunt I think?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 09:35:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ethereal Jaunt lets you go to the Ethereal plane for a number of rounds. The Ethereal plane pretty much being a copy of the material plane where you can float through walls like a ghost. Basically it makes you like a ghost
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 15:01:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Jerion http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331161 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331161)<br><br>My fellow players should note that once he is considered an ally and everyone is benefiting from his auras the first twin is usually projecting "Energy" which gives +2 dc to cold spells. and the second twin is projecting "Sense" which is a +2 to perception and initiative. You will automatically benefit from these if you're within 30 ft of the projecting twin. <br><br>He uses the 3rd party pathfinder Artificier class http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/adamant-entertainment/artificer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/adamant-entertainment/artificer) it's almost identical to the official 3.5 version but updated for pathfinder and trading away the Infusions for Weird Science. <br><br>Speaking of pathfinder updates Mircalla's character sheet in the thread is still listed as the 3.5 Millarca one. This is the actual one I'm using. http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331095 (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=331095)&nbsp; I posted it earlier so i'm just making sure it was noticed. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 19:03:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Divati share class features, and you can only channel one draconic aura at one time. Both twins have to channel the same aura, it uses up both their swift actions to change it, but the aura does work from 30ft of both twins.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 21:24:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5251831#msg5251831">Quote from: ulthakptah on 24-09-2011, 19:03:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Divati share class features, and you can only channel one draconic aura at one time. Both twins have to channel the same aura, it uses up both their swift actions to change it, but the aura does work from 30ft of both twins.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ah yes thats true it specifically says only one aura can be active at a time so even though each twin can take a separate action in a round they can still only project the single aura. In that case he probably has "Sense" going when things are complacent. "Energy" in combat, and "Vigor" after combat. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 21:52:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5250914#msg5250914">Quote from: ulthakptah on 24-09-2011, 09:35:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ethereal Jaunt lets you go to the Ethereal plane for a number of rounds. The Ethereal plane pretty much being a copy of the material plane where you can float through walls like a ghost. Basically it makes you like a ghost<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>That'll teach me to look things up before posting, <em>Dimensional</em> Jaunt was the reserve feat I was thinking of, sorry. Though I still don't know why I thought I didn't have to see a location when the description of that <em>also</em> states you have to be able to see where you're going. In all, too many things are labelled with "Jaunt".<br><br>You know, despite things not working out as I'd originally intended (along with being unsure how those guys were peeping if the wall was so high as to incur falling damage but whatever, I'll roll with it) at least I'm in the same area as another PC, so I'll count this as a win for now. Well, maybe not a win but at least a positive. Still have to wait a round for maneuvers to recharge, so after six seconds or so of groping she might just be able to get out of this mass of flesh. Maybe. Probably not if she can't see past them, ha ha.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-09-2011, 23:21:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So Langley is on the men's side but 'hidden'?&nbsp; I might have tried to initiate something but that hide roll is just too good for me top try and overcome without resorting to glitter dust. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 02:27:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's okay, I decided to heat things up a bit my way. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 09:25:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm currently debating whether or not Langley should inflict negative energy damage on the next thing that touches her below the waist using "touch of the shadow sun", on one hand she'd be defending herself and would be able to use the resulting positive energy to heal her fall damage, on the other it's a bit evil, might cause trouble/derail things more and this might be the normal mating ritual of the modern age, how would she know?<br><br>Anyway, should have a post up shortly. To those that are attempting to help the poor girl, thank you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 09:30:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				None of them are holding on you that tightly if you just try and walk away they will let you. This isn't a rape type deal here, they think your just a slut from the whole 'if you find me you can help me stretch' thing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 09:57:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, right. I'd just assumed that the crowd was dense enough that I couldn't just walk out. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 10:03:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was giving you a place to walk out too. Considering the leaping over the wall didn't work so well the first time. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 15:10:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Uh, Ulk - that was not what I had in mind when I did this - the blast of steam and boiling-hot water is supposed to distract the men and give them something else to think about besides groping Langley...unless they've all got Fire Resistance and aren't bothered by being doused in scalding vapor? Sure, it's a public bath, but they keep those at the 'pleasantly warm/hot' temperature, not the 'flash burns' temperature that instant boiling steam would be for at least a few seconds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 16:41:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I thought you were casting off to the side so you wouldn't hurt Langley. This isn't like combat distance where everyone is five feet away from each other. They are getting as close to her as possible. Again no one here is being violent towards her. If you boiled the water to hurt them it would hurt Langley too.<br><br>Also you should be wary of attacking people unprovoked in civil areas. I know I said there wasn't a formal guard, but if there was one establishment in the area that had the resources to protect themselves and their clients, who do you think that is?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 17:50:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let's see; a retired adventurer who has enough power discipline any wayward adventurer in local area messing in his/her establishment? Likely a spellcaster top of that or bard who can mind fuck your mind wonders.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 18:49:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5255134#msg5255134">Quote from: ulthakptah on 25-09-2011, 16:41:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I thought you were casting off to the side so you wouldn't hurt Langley. This isn't like combat distance where everyone is five feet away from each other. They are getting as close to her as possible. Again no one here is being violent towards her. If you boiled the water to hurt them it would hurt Langley too.<br><br>Also you should be wary of attacking people unprovoked in civil areas. I know I said there wasn't a formal guard, but if there was one establishment in the area that had the resources to protect themselves and their clients, who do you think that is?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Not to hurt them, to distract them and give her an opening to escape. I haven't even 'attacked' anyone, just boiled a bunch of steam in a place that happens to be occupied by people. If it hurts, it shouldn't be more than a few nonlethal damage, but it should give them something to think about other than harassing her. Shadow Creatures and Dark Creatures are pretty closely related, so he's going to come to her defense to a degree, and as far as he can tell (from the descriptions given), she was being gang-molested without an escape route - pulling this sort of prank to her benefit is his kind of fun, particularly when no one involved can possibly see him to identify him as the instigator.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 20:33:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Langley would have fared much better had her attempt to throw her voice not been such a low roll. Now it seems that instead of sayign what she did yo get them away she was just beckoning them closer. <br><br>I'm a very auditory woman so of course i found a clip that should let everyone know what Mircalla's voice sounds like, plus my choice of theme song for him. <br><br><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="bbc_size">Mircalla's Voice</span> (Nevan not Dante)<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">DMC3 - Scene 26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwWPP13Q0O8#)</div></div><br><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="bbc_size">Mircalla's Theme</span><br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">05 - The Brides - Bram Stoker's Dracula Soundtrack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XwBpUhN1eY#ws)</div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 21:43:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm... Is the "Book of Erotic Fantasy" allowed? The <em>reverse gender</em> spell would have been fun in that situation, or at least might have created a distraction if I'd had it memorised. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-09-2011, 21:57:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5256247#msg5256247">Quote from: Ershin on 25-09-2011, 21:43:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm... Is the "Book of Erotic Fantasy" allowed? The <em>reverse gender</em> spell would have been fun in that situation, or at least might have created a distraction if I'd had it memorised.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A useful spell and indeed a potentially fun situaton
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 00:31:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Beal is in the men's bath, just about everyone is in the men's bath.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 00:43:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5257097#msg5257097">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-09-2011, 00:31:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Beal is in the men's bath, just about everyone is in the men's bath.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>gasp!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 01:59:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oops I missed the part where Beal put on his Ioun stone, I just thought he was carrying it with him. He hears the drunken singing as well, with the same penalties to casting spells.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 04:19:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If the stones are cursed and unable to be made to work correctly Jerion can break down magic items into components which can them be used to make magic items (100% of the item value in materials). Also if you want to just sell any magic items he has Mercantile Background and can get a better deal then anyone else. (Base sell value is 75% rather then 50%).<br><br>I'm not having him go the route of doing insane shit with wands so instead he is there to service the parties item needs. He provides such wonderful service too, i do hope you'll try him.&nbsp; &nbsp;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 04:23:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just need a remove curse then selling it to some rube merchant. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 04:26:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5258151#msg5258151">Quote from: NicciKotor on 26-09-2011, 04:23:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I just need a remove curse then selling it to some rube merchant.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Depending on their offer I may be willing to pay more for it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 04:46:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Dungeon Master's Guide pg.277</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The characters should be aware (although it’s not up to you to tell them) that trying to dupe someone into buying a cursed item is an evil act. They should also consider the fact that someone who bought an item from them that turned out to be cursed will usually seek reparations ranging from a full refund to bloody, deadly vengenance.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Ahem, what's your alignment Nicci?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 04:54:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5258253#msg5258253">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-09-2011, 04:46:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ahem, what's your alignment Nicci?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'll only turned to the dark side if they have cookies!<br><br>and it is CG. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 05:11:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5258289#msg5258289">Quote from: NicciKotor on 26-09-2011, 04:54:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll only turned to the dark side if they have cookies!<br><br>and it is CG.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I noticed chaotic good being a popular alignment in this party. Kind of glad our divine casters don't seem too eager to throw out the alignment based nukes. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 05:23:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And knowingly selling a cursed item to an unsuspecting person is Good how, exactly? ???
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 08:11:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5258414#msg5258414">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 26-09-2011, 05:23:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And knowingly selling a cursed item to an unsuspecting person is Good how, exactly? ???<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>It isn't, she is being evil.<br><br>Anyway I'm a little rusty on my D&amp;D mythology, but didn't Pelor seal Cegilune in the moon using the elements of harmony?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 08:45:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5257508#msg5257508">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-09-2011, 01:59:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oops I missed the part where Beal put on his Ioun stone, I just thought he was carrying it with him. He hears the drunken singing as well, with the same penalties to casting spells.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Gah, that's plain mean! How you know item is cursed if normal spell detection does not work?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 09:54:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You can Momo just failed her spellcraft checks. Well in a sense she did. To identify a magic item it's 15+ the caster level of the item. Ioun stones have a caster level of 12 so the DC is 27. However to tell if a item is a curse item you have to beat the DC of the item it's pretending to be by 10, so a DC of 37. She only got 35's while identifying those. Therefore she identified them to be regular Ioun stones.<br><br>Anyway not the end of the world. Remove Curse, 3rd level divine spell, 4th level arcane. Not that hard to acquire as 7th level characters.&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 12:45:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5259144#msg5259144">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-09-2011, 08:11:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Anyway I'm a little rusty on my D&amp;D mythology, but didn't Pelor seal Cegilune in the moon using the elements of harmony?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I don't know anything about that. It isnt mentioned in her Wiki entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cegilune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cegilune) ) or in the Dragon Magazine article about her. The fiendish codex I also spoke of dealings between her and Grazzt. So if it did happen it must have been very recent or undone. <br><br>When i was looking for a patron Deity I considered Socothbenoth, Kiaransalee, Grazzt, Asmodeus and Ilsensine before settling on Cegilune 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 12:56:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5259367#msg5259367">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-09-2011, 09:54:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>Anyway not the end of the world. Remove Curse, 3rd level divine spell, 4th level arcane. Not that hard to acquire as 7th level characters.&nbsp; :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>In fact Bael has a cleric with 3rd level spells right in front of him. Jerion can also create a scroll of remove curse too. I think Momo should even be able to remove it from herself though considering the nature of the curse preparing/casting it would be problematic. <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5258414#msg5258414">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 26-09-2011, 05:23:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And knowingly selling a cursed item to an unsuspecting person is Good how, exactly? ???<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Not only is it not a very good act, once she meets Mircalla and Jerion it becomes potentially unprofitable.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 18:52:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Who's Layla, obviously Inflatress is. I mean she just hasn't been present for a while. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 18:53:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Layla is our slutty dancer who class/PrC combo I am not sure about. So far she got raped by monster and in each battle she had done seductive distracting dance in every battle and wears inpractical (adventurer point of view) clothes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-09-2011, 19:08:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5260583#msg5260583">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 26-09-2011, 18:53:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Layla is our slutty dancer who class/PrC combo I am not sure about. So far she got raped by monster and in each battle she had done seductive distracting dance in every battle and wears inpractical (adventurer point of view) clothes.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ah yes, I recognized the tell tale signs of slutty sexy comic relief. I also realized that she is the only person who spends as much time describing the impracticability of her clothes as I do. Together I think we cover both the "chronic stripper" and the "high class courtesan" sides of the spectrum of improbable adventure wear for whores. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>27-09-2011, 18:11:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My bad on thinking Nicci's character was in the room!&nbsp; I changed my post so PE, you may want to do the same.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>29-09-2011, 08:14:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				People Busy or something?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>29-09-2011, 09:16:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't know, I don't think anyone was interacting with a NPC, so I have nothing to post about.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>29-09-2011, 11:04:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Busy myself, I try squeeze post (trying start games and one vs one threads and also got the drow 3.5 DnD game on my neck as a GM).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>29-09-2011, 17:16:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5274426#msg5274426">Quote from: ulthakptah on 29-09-2011, 09:16:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Don't know, I don't think anyone was interacting with a NPC, so I have nothing to post about.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm off trying to find a priest!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>29-09-2011, 19:22:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Some of the new players are divine casters, you find them. Instead of having an NPC cast it for around 280 gp.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>30-09-2011, 02:31:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Of which I would have to wait a day for them to recharge their spells and get remove curse for me. <br><br>Where the alternative is a romp through town and finding a perfectly good temple service, which shouldn't take more then 3 hours. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>30-09-2011, 09:56:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Apologies for the lack of posting lately, the internet's been buggy and several attempts to post replies have been eaten when the "post" button's been pressed and a lack of connection has caused me to go back only to find what I've written to be erased by the browser. After the first time I really should have thought to do everything out in a text file then copy/pasted. Generally after losing a longer post in that way twice I didn't really feel like typing it up a third time, but I'll get on it again ASAP. <br><br>Currently posting from my mobile since the connection is currently stable on it, but the formatting is untrustworthy since it all comes out on one line.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>01-10-2011, 20:21:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Where is the group right now, anyways?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>01-10-2011, 21:30:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think everyone is in the men's bath except for Niki315 who hasn't posted in over a week
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>02-10-2011, 13:18:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So what would be one of the nicer feast halls to take everyone to?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>02-10-2011, 22:58:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You mean besides the feast for twenty people Momohime ordered from room service? It would be the feast hall inside the bath house.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 01:16:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think I've just about gotten my internet to (mostly) behave itself, but now I've fallen into the deadly trap of not being able to think of a way to move my character along with everyone else, or introduce herself in a manner that doesn't seem completely forced. There's always the option of Langley inviting herself to one or both of Momohime and Mircalla's feasts, but that would be kind of rude considering she doesn't really know anyone there. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 04:11:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That was my problem as well, since Langley was sort of my 'in' to the group, and you weren't able to post for a while. I suppose the two of us could be all shadowy somewhere else and meet up with the party later?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>04-10-2011, 05:09:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Best to just let them both shadow us for now, I think when they return it wouldnt be difficult to let them join in as if they had been following, but silent the whole time. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>05-10-2011, 01:30:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Real life's reared its ugly head again, making it look as though time spent on the internet will be limited for a bit (just after getting it fixed, no less). In order not to be a burden on the plot (and as I'm still interested), would it be too much of a leap of logic to assume Langley shadow jaunted-waited-jaunted back to the womens' side, got her stuff, took off and may join up later on?<br>Or if I'm not going to be available for an extended period again (maybe a week) would you prefer if I bowed out and let one of the other applicants from the "New Blood" thread take my place?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-10-2011, 01:42:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll wait and see how things play out right now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>05-10-2011, 04:00:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm waiting to see if the food is there in my room or not. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>05-10-2011, 04:05:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				the food was delivered when you were out of the room. When you get back it's all there.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>06-10-2011, 05:40:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mentioning that Mircalla knocked on the door and has yet to be received.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>06-10-2011, 05:54:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just go in already, I left the door open for you all. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 06:56:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I can't help but notice some people have not been posting. At least one of them was courteous enough to message me about their troubles. However the others have not. What do the rest of you have to say for yourself?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 15:30:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You already know my problem - I don't have an invitation, having been invisible this whole time, and I can't think of an IC excuse to go barging into someone's room otherwise.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 17:04:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Im very sick right now, might not post for a day or two.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 22:36:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5362666#msg5362666">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 19-10-2011, 15:30:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You already know my problem - I don't have an invitation, having been invisible this whole time, and I can't think of an IC excuse to go barging into someone's room otherwise.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Momohime left the door open, pretty much an open invitation to anyone who wanted to wander in.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5362965#msg5362965">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 19-10-2011, 17:04:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Im very sick right now, might not post for a day or two.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>was not talking about you, you have been posting just fine. Thanks for the heads up though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 23:07:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5364190#msg5364190">Quote from: ulthakptah on 19-10-2011, 22:36:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Momohime left the door open, pretty much an open invitation to anyone who wanted to wander in.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>While I've been in contact with you about my current schedule, I'm in pretty much the same boat as TheGlyphstone is. The door might be open, but it's pretty rude to just barge in on the honeymoon suite.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 23:21:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You could have over heard them talking about the monsters, or maybe just be curious about the wedding that ended with six people, a spider, and a dog in the honeymoon suite.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>19-10-2011, 23:55:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5364190#msg5364190">Quote from: ulthakptah on 19-10-2011, 22:36:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Momohime left the door open, pretty much an open invitation to anyone who wanted to wander in.<br>was not talking about you, you have been posting just fine. Thanks for the heads up though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Alrighty then, trespassing it shall be.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 20:27:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...how is Layla even noticing Nimreb? Her Spot modifier isn't high enough to see him if he rolls a 1 to her 20.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 20:34:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You didn't roll a stealth check. How was anyone supposed to know you are hiding? Also the room is well lit. No one has dimmed the lights for a romantic evening yet.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 20:47:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He'd be lurking outside the open door then - there was no description of the room lighting, so I assumed there would be a shadow somewhere.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 21:56:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So Nimreb is in the room or not?&nbsp; I didn't notice anything in your post about hiding, it just said he parked himself on a table in the corner?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 22:24:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just a meta concern, it's probably best if you don't hide since we probably want everyone interacting. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 22:48:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He's got a constantly-active total concealment effect unless exposed to full daylight - so actually, the room being brightly lit doesn't matter. If he's not bothering to hide himself, he's just be a roughly gnome-sized mass of shadowy darkness.<br><br>The metapoint is good, but since Layla would ironically be the only person in the group he'd go out of his way to avoid, it puts me in a awkward place of being rude to make her go away, or not interacting in the first place.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 22:51:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Layla is annoying, <em>I</em> won't be offended if you try to shake her off, but she probably will be!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 23:23:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As DM I have the power to solve this. The magical explosion gave Layla 360 degree, 120 foot blindsight, with true seeing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 23:28:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hehe, yes!&nbsp; Okay, so Glyph, you're not going to change your post given that new information so I suppose I should change mine?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-10-2011, 23:52:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5368319#msg5368319">Quote from: ulthakptah on 20-10-2011, 23:23:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As DM I have the power to solve this. The magical explosion gave Layla 360 degree, 120 foot blindsight, with true seeing.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Except the Darkstalker feat means creatures with Blindsight are still foiled by my stealth (which I'm not using at the moment), and True Seeing explicitly does not bypass concealment. So nothing really changes. ;D<br><br>I'll modify my post when I get a chance, then you can modify yours however you want.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 00:29:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually things do change. True seeing can't through concealment like fog, but it says it can see through normal and magical darkness, like shadows. Therefore no concealment, and no hiding in plain sight.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 00:30:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The point is that we are supposed to be interacting, the dm just added that last bit to help force the issue.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:00:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				By Rule 0ing my only means of protecting myself from enemies into uselessness? There's gotta be a better way to force us to interact than that.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:05:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Because so many creatures have true seeing?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:09:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's what I'm afraid of. I've already played under one GM who, after approving the Shadow Creature template and explicitly being pointed out that nothing short of True Seeing could automatically foil it, then arbitrarily stuck True Seeing on every single monster we fought for the rest of the campaign, starting at level 5. It was the single worst D&amp;D experience I've ever had in my life, and if you're willing to casually hand out my Kryptonite to force social interaction with prospective party members, that honestly makes me real worried what you'll do when actual combats happen.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:13:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				One, you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. Two, giving everything true sight is ridiculous. Layla only gets it because shes dying. Three, there are much easier ways around your silly concealment plan.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:20:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Your calm reassurances that my worries are unfounded are most soothing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:34:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5368804#msg5368804">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 21-10-2011, 01:20:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Your calm reassurances that my worries are unfounded are most soothing.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Yeah, just so you know if a DM wants you dead you die. All they have to do is say something along the lines of 'rocks fall, you die.' If we choose to just make something challenging it's challenging. The game wouldn't be much fun if you just stomped everything into the ground without resistance. Really how much fun would things have been if the entire combat was the monsters standing up and being tripped by Olard? that's boring. So whenever a player comes up with an ultimate offense or an ultimate defense the DM has to come up with a way to challenge it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:40:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, but in Olard's case, we literally never fought a monster that wasn't tooled specifically to resist being tripped. It's not fun to automatically win everything, but neither is it fun to know, ahead of time, that every encounter will be designed specifically to render your abilities irrelevant. Once in a while, it's okay to actually let a character be good at something.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:43:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually all those monsters where planned before you even joined. It was just a happy accident that they were resistant to being tripped.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 01:50:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's what you said before, and yet comments like 'there are easier ways around your silly concealment plan' are pretty ominous towards similar happy accidents in the future. There are three ways to survive in D&amp;D: High AC, or miss chances. I tried the first one, and still got whacked around like a pinball, so for variety I built for the second.<br><br>Should I have just rolled a Truenamer or something? I suppose being utterly incompetent from the beginning is a decent strategy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>21-10-2011, 02:08:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4194">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 10-01-2011, 04:29:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay, it looks like I'm going to end up with a Half-Minotaur Mineral Warrior Deep Dwarf Knight 3/Fighter 1//Crusader 6. <br><br>For an extremely simplistic character outline, he was the result of a forced breeding between a slave laborer of the duergar (grey dwarves) and a captured minotaur. The birthing killed his mother, and his 'father' died in the mines, while their child was experimented on and partially petrified (Min. Warrior) by the duergar wizards and trained as a guard. A group of good adventurers freed him in the process of raiding the duergar city, and now he's on the surface world, more than a bit uncomfortable there but determined to make a living for himself.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=15470">Quote from: ulthakptah on 10-01-2011, 04:43:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm sure he will be adorable. Anyway that's hilarious, because there are some very common themes I've lined up in the plot. I don't really want to ruin anything, so that's all I'll say.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Me foreshadowing that I was already planing on using large genetically engineered monsters, before you sent me a character sheet about how he will be straight tripping yo.<br><br>And I don't know what your talking about by only three ways to survive in D&amp;D. So many more ways to attack than just attack rolls.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-10-2011, 04:19:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5368941#msg5368941">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 21-10-2011, 01:50:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's what you said before, and yet comments like 'there are easier ways around your silly concealment plan' are pretty ominous towards similar happy accidents in the future. There are three ways to survive in D&amp;D: High AC, or miss chances. I tried the first one, and still got whacked around like a pinball, so for variety I built for the second.<br><br>Should I have just rolled a Truenamer or something? I suppose being utterly incompetent from the beginning is a decent strategy.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Don't forget make friends with your teamates and have them buff you!<br><br><br>- Also out of all my new abilities it's funny the one I'm most excited about is <em>Child Scent</em>. *Sniff* *Sniff* "Everyone! I smell a child....."
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>23-10-2011, 14:22:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Huh? Are you witch now? Beware witch with strangling hair spell; It's a killer when said witch is expert in alchemy and can do contact hair spray poison (using it one drow game).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-10-2011, 19:02:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5378474#msg5378474">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 23-10-2011, 14:22:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Huh? Are you witch now? Beware witch with strangling hair spell; It's a killer when said witch is expert in alchemy and can do contact hair spray poison (using it one drow game).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Right on i'll have to try that. Mircalla is okay with alchemy (Mostly due to Cauldron), but Jerion is an expert in it.&nbsp; Better yet, due to being immune to poison, I could slather myself in it and kill by embracing my naked body against theirs. - Looking at it strangling hair is a pretty good spell, it's like a lesser version of one of my favorite spells "Black Tentacles". As far as 3rd level spells go that only appear on the witch list I really like screech. <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 03:53:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You guys aren't become the fantastic four. I know because there is only going to be three after Layla blows up.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 04:28:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whats the metagame reason for Layla blowing up? Did she actually fail to save vs, some effect or an other totally in game reason? Or is it something like her getting bored of the game or wanting to bring in a new character?<br><br><br><br>Such a decided lack of man candy in the party with 2 of the guys being gnomes. It's Bael and my Twins who make up the beekcake. Mircalla is more cheesecake. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 04:32:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The metagame reason is she is inflatetress and like to end her characters in such a fashion. Like how you enjoy homosexual necrophilia.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 05:01:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5381001#msg5381001">Quote from: ulthakptah on 24-10-2011, 04:32:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Like how you enjoy homosexual necrophilia.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;:-*<br><br>That's very true, but what I really wondered is why is she dying? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 05:08:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh! you mean what is making her inflate. Not why is she being killed off.<br><br>Ah, well in that case I'm not going to tell, you'll just have to wait and see.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 16:30:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I got idea and so I am worried what happens after Layla blows up and turns otherwise nice bath massage session a more macabre.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-10-2011, 16:45:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All-natural lube?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-10-2011, 05:47:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5383049#msg5383049">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-10-2011, 16:45:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">All-natural lube?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nah blood is a coagulant which is the total opposite of a lubricant. It would encourage sticking and chafing instead of sliding. <br><br>I'm guessing with the parties alignment tendencies toward good/neutral Mircalla isn't going to be able to suck the life out of his date right in front of them. His method for making undead mooks no longer includes the animate dead spell. <br><br>Need a DM ruling: The bonus HP for making undead in a area of desecration.&nbsp; Since vampires and vampire spawn don't rise until the night after they die, do I need to desecrate the area they are in when they die or when they come back to get the hp?&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>25-10-2011, 06:22:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				When they come back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-10-2011, 17:54:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I will need a DM response to my last IC post. Until I know who I've lured over I can't continue. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-10-2011, 04:32:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So the most attractive member of the party is turning people off when they were practically drooling over some of the others? A little odd but ill chalk it up to personal taste and go back to the room.<br><br><br>I do have to ask how everyone knows he is a vampire though. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>26-10-2011, 08:36:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				First off, charisma != sexual attractiveness, so you might find your character the most attractive, but I would take Langley over any man any day. Anyway by personal taste you are right. Heterosexuals prefer females. Last they didn't know you were a vampire. They just saw a skinny girly man staring lustily at them while they washed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>26-10-2011, 09:45:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5390726#msg5390726">Quote from: ulthakptah on 26-10-2011, 08:36:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">First off, charisma != sexual attractiveness, so you might find your character the most attractive, but I would take Langley over any man any day. Anyway by personal taste you are right. Heterosexuals prefer females. Last they didn't know you were a vampire. They just saw a skinny girly man staring lustily at them while they washed.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True charisma isn't attractiveness but it does play a factor. It's also his racial ability for being a fey of the winter court that comes right out and says he is so unearthly beautiful that it's spiritually unsettling. Personal taste could make someone find a freckled young wo/man with a girl/boy next door charm more appealing then a nymph or succubus but it would be very odd for even a heterosexual woman not to find them particularly striking. By my own personal taste Mircalla isn't even my type, I feel justified in saying he is the most attractive party member though because if you try to quantify it based on statistics Mircalla is the one with the expensive clothing, jewels, perfume, highest charisma, social skills ect. If D&amp;D had an appearance statistic his would probably be the highest. I'm not saying that everyone is going to find him more desirable then the others. <br><br>This is all for conversation sake and possible future references anyway. It's certainly believable that a small group of random people wouldn't find any particular individual that enticing and I don't really have issue with that. <br><br>Edit: It's still difficult to play an evil seductress with a fairest of them all complex when it's not even acknowledged that they have reason to believe themselves to be the titular "fairest". I edited my post to take a simple solution to the issue. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>27-10-2011, 21:02:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The simple solution is working :). Just hope it does not step your toes for your preference for MxM. Your comfortable with run FxM scene with your char (your the female)?<br><br>Anyways I do agree charisma is not appearance stat, after all a troll could have statically 12 charisma (which is above average human charisma) but it does not change fact troll is still a troll. So your char case it was harder for most accept him as a femine male perhaps. I tried my best with Bael show some mixed confusion, interest and bit conflict with his usual preference to be tempted somewhat while Mircalla was male (while in my offs MxM is a off while playing Bael as shapeshifting Bisexual).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>28-10-2011, 19:11:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wow i didn't realize until i posted that last one how incredibly long it was! Well Zaer irl i'm a female (though my anatomy is more described as "she-male"), I used to do both mxm and fxm (with me being the female) until I realized how the mxm always made me squee like a yaoi fangirl and the fxm seemed a bit boring. So FxM isn't an off for me so much as it just isn't an on. This being a D&amp;D game (and gestault!) has enough to keep me excited anyway. <br><br>From SRD: "Charisma measures a character's personality, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and appearance."&nbsp; Certainly ugly creatures can have a high charisma because of factors outside of appearance and vice versa. Still they may not be the same but there is some correlation. Charisma is one of many factors that determine how good looking someone is, and looks are one of many things that play into the charisma score. Also being beautiful isn't the same as being <em>sexually</em> appealing to an individual. Charisma is one of many things that make me feel if put on a hardline numeric scale of beauty Mircalla would come in first. I almost have to think about such things for this game because of Mircalla's inspiration from the queen in the snow white tales. Someone lower on the beauty scale is ignored while someone higher is a threat to be eliminated. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>28-10-2011, 19:17:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually Layla's CHA is 20 too...just saying!&nbsp; Hmmm, someone the same as Micalla...where does she stand on that?!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>28-10-2011, 19:45:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5400354#msg5400354">Quote from: inflatetress on 28-10-2011, 19:17:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Actually Layla's CHA is 20 too...just saying!&nbsp; Hmmm, someone the same as Micalla...where does she stand on that?!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well I'm not basing it just on charisma. I agreed that charisma isn't the same as beauty, just that it plays a factor. However since you're also a dancing bard it's not unthinkable for you to be viewed as a threat, though not in your current situation. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>29-10-2011, 10:17:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I wonder if I should position Langley somewhere in the hallway, about to be bulldozed by a crazed, pink-haired catgirl charging/scampering down the halls. Or would it be rude just to have her be in the way of another character?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>29-10-2011, 17:25:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5403089#msg5403089">Quote from: Ershin on 29-10-2011, 10:17:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I wonder if I should position Langley somewhere in the hallway, about to be bulldozed by a crazed, pink-haired catgirl charging/scampering down the halls. Or would it be rude just to have her be in the way of another character?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I think thats a perfect idea, and welcome back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-10-2011, 09:07:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay the mental image of whats going on with Momo now is hysterical. Did you guys plan on sending the dog after the catgirl for this reason or did it just happen? I just made my own contribution to the unraveling insanity now ^_^. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-10-2011, 14:01:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can anyone cast that Create Portal spell that links sets of doors together? We can totally turn this into a Scooby Doo chase scene.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-10-2011, 14:06:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nop, the entire idea send the dog was my own and Nicci warned me in PM it would not be smart move but it was kind too late worry about :P.<br><br>Anyways how fast Nicci moves? Lavael moves as I recall 50'ft or so and can once per hour go five times that speed as part of a charge and he does happen know improved bull rush (and trick which allows me command it perform it). So I wonder would Lavael's innocent playful dog mind start think this from a task into a game of tag? I am just thinking what it would look like Lavael pounce and tackle greased catgirl into one hotsprings.<br><br>Also considering the changes going on; would it be possible Lavael changes too? Not physically but he could acquire awakened creature template. Or simply said; gain sentience of a low inteligent humanoid and able to talk :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-11-2011, 18:43:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry for delay, posting now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>08-11-2011, 21:12:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey all. Looks like I get to cue the New Challenger music now. :)<br><br>Pending GM approval, meet Caerdain:<br>http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9740 (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9740)<br><br>And his mount, Moira:<br>http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9742 (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=9742)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>09-11-2011, 00:04:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've been waiting for you... &lt;3
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 07:11:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So about how much longer do people want to be on this whole getting to know one another before I can start throwing crazy monsters and other bad guys at you again?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 07:36:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5458575#msg5458575">Quote from: ulthakptah on 11-11-2011, 07:11:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So about how much longer do people want to be on this whole getting to know one another before I can start throwing crazy monsters and other bad guys at you again?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Id like to see some action fairly soon, do give me a notice if it doesn't spoil things though so I can try to have Jerion in the same area as Mircalla and the rest.&nbsp; Battle does have a certian way of acting as it's own way of getting to know others. <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 12:20:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm definitely down to test Caerdain out on the field, though he would also probably like a better idea of what he walked in on. As far as he's aware, it's part orgy, part tavern brawl. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 16:55:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Consider we got new player the introductions start all over again :P. Anyways I think we could skip present situation to own 'smut fun and introductions' thread and move to tomorrow with basic premise we all had fun last night and gather to think what do else when some random monster attacks.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 18:54:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5459523#msg5459523">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-11-2011, 16:55:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Consider we got new player the introductions start all over again :P. Anyways I think we could skip present situation to own 'smut fun and introductions' thread and move to tomorrow with basic premise we all had fun last night and gather to think what do else when some random monster attacks.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>+1 to this.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 18:58:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5459523#msg5459523">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 11-11-2011, 16:55:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Consider we got new player the introductions start all over again :P. Anyways I think we could skip present situation to own 'smut fun and introductions' thread and move to tomorrow with basic premise we all had fun last night and gather to think what do else when some random monster attacks.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You'll all have to work harder than that to get anywhere with me. Im returning to my room for the rest of the evening. Though i'll see if I can't get another post in before the DM advanced things to the next morning. Good thing I keep a parasol and some liquid night on hand for when I have to go outside, and With shrink item my coffin is easily transported. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 19:13:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lol. I wouldn't want to skip ahead too fast, because as of now Caerdain is probably more compelled to go back and hit the rest of his bottle than follow the crew out the door. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:08:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll think about splitting off a thread for the players to post about how they bumped uglies, while we keep on with the fighty fun.<br><br>Anyway Nicci gets a +2 to dex, low light vision, and pounce for being a catgirl now. I'm not planing on changing how Beal looks at all because of the whole shapeshifter thing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:16:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, but does my dog get affected? Also Bael is not technically a shapechanger subtype but he has alter self (limited form) spell at-will.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:22:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You both get some niffty tricks it's just that if I gave you a cat tail and ears you could just get rid of them. Oh, and I like the way Laveal looks now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:27:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahaa ok :). True I can get rid of the cat ears and tail. But I did mention Lavael could become a awakened animal (template wise) as part of his change (so yeah, he can talk) but would still count as animal companion. Or he gets ability shapeshift like Bael does but this case he can turn only canine humanoid with green body/fur with long ears (think green gnoll).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:39:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Whatever I'll just tell you, Beal gets infernal wound, and 1d6 fire to all his attacks. Laveal gets the shaperchanger subtype, fast healing 2, increased reach of 5ft, and his natural attacks stretch to one size larger when he attacks.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:46:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahaa! Goody! Question though; is the infernal wound and fire damage related to natural/melee attacks only or does it apply to his archery attacks?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:48:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Would be rather pointless if it didn't work with you bow wouldn't it?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-11-2011, 23:57:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5460735#msg5460735">Quote from: ulthakptah on 11-11-2011, 23:48:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Would be rather pointless if it didn't work with you bow wouldn't it?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Just asked to be sure :).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 02:43:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Be sure to keep posting my dears. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 03:16:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry its been so quiet on my end... not gonna lie, Skyrim pretty much ate up my weekend. I'll be back to normal posting speed tomorrow for certain, though. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 04:29:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5469148#msg5469148">Quote from: TKtheExiled on 14-11-2011, 03:16:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry its been so quiet on my end... not gonna lie, Skyrim pretty much ate up my weekend. I'll be back to normal posting speed tomorrow for certain, though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I am still waiting for my new computer so I can get some sweet wet skyrim, because newegg is a whore. <br><br>My rage is quite delicious, savoring it until the computer arrives. <br><br>That and how I got skyrim for free via the hat market. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 16:31:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was following up until "hat market." :P<br><br>And no lies, the game is worth the wait. It's a blast. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 16:35:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can you tell me how Skyrim differs from Morrowind? I had Morrowind long time ago in my comp but I remember getting hopelessly lost in the world and die from weirdest reasons (somereason palace guards attacked me when I had not done anything what I am aware about and developing spells consumed lots of my time). Tell some stuff from the Skyrim like char generation and how combat/spells works :). Also how interactive it has been so far.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>14-11-2011, 16:46:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lol. That's a lot to tell, but lets see: <br><br>-Character generation has been simplified a bit; less options, but easier to make characters that aren't fugly. You don't pick starting stats or skills anymore- you pick your race, and that race has things they're good at and things they're not so good at (reflected in skills). However, those differences aren't enough to make one race inherently the "best" choice, so you're able to build what you want how you want (I personally used it to rebuild my Magus from my tabletop game). <br><br>-Leveling has been simplified too- you still level after gaining X skill ranks, but you don't have to deal with major / minor skills or stats. You level up, and are awarded perk points which you can spend to improve your characters go-to skills. You're also given a choice to improve your Health, Magic, or Stamina- magic affects MP and spells, stamina power attacking, sprinting, and damage (in conjunction with skills, of course). <br><br>-Combat can be frantic- swords swinging, spells flying, and friendly fire means you can kill your companions fairly easy if you're not careful. I think it's fun, even if it is very simple (everything is done through the triggers of the Xbox controller). <br><br>-VERY interactive. I'm sitting on something like 20 mini-quests, that lead in to the full quest lines. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 00:10:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5470936#msg5470936">Quote from: TKtheExiled on 14-11-2011, 16:46:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Lol. That's a lot to tell, but lets see: <br><br>-Character generation has been simplified a bit; less options, but easier to make characters that aren't fugly. You don't pick starting stats or skills anymore- you pick your race, and that race has things they're good at and things they're not so good at (reflected in skills). However, those differences aren't enough to make one race inherently the "best" choice, so you're able to build what you want how you want (I personally used it to rebuild my Magus from my tabletop game). <br><br>-Leveling has been simplified too- you still level after gaining X skill ranks, but you don't have to deal with major / minor skills or stats. You level up, and are awarded perk points which you can spend to improve your characters go-to skills. You're also given a choice to improve your Health, Magic, or Stamina- magic affects MP and spells, stamina power attacking, sprinting, and damage (in conjunction with skills, of course). <br><br>-Combat can be frantic- swords swinging, spells flying, and friendly fire means you can kill your companions fairly easy if you're not careful. I think it's fun, even if it is very simple (everything is done through the triggers of the Xbox controller). <br><br>-VERY interactive. I'm sitting on something like 20 mini-quests, that lead in to the full quest lines.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I'm a werewolf, and have stolen the souls of two giants.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 00:14:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha. Nice. I have yet to pick a fight with a giant. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 00:19:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A bright side to not having it yet is I can wait until alien slof and my faveroiter modders have enhancements for skyrim out. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 00:23:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This is true. Mods aren't really on the table for me, unfortunately. :(
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 02:11:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Those fuckers at newegg still refuse to process my order, since my shipment address is not the same as my billing. <br><br>Yergble! <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 08:23:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				What were my new kittygirl stats?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 11:39:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5460581#msg5460581">Quote from: ulthakptah on 11-11-2011, 23:08:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll think about splitting off a thread for the players to post about how they bumped uglies, while we keep on with the fighty fun.<br><br>Anyway Nicci gets a +2 to dex, low light vision, and pounce for being a catgirl now. I'm not planing on changing how Beal looks at all because of the whole shapeshifter thing.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>There is your stat changes Nicci.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 15:06:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I feel sorry for any future NPCs if Momohime's new form of greeting is the flying ball-bash. Greatly amused, but that really doesn't sound like the most pleasant way to say hello. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 16:23:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We need break her to behave like proper house broke kitty and keep her on collar and leash. That way avoid our catgirl go head pounce ball crushing potential employers or influential people (like a king example).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 16:31:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha. C'mon, the king one would be funny. It'd be like hearing Alvin the Chipmunk scream "off with their heads!" <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 16:40:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry, Bael has far too much symphaty even foe not receive such cruel attack :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 17:00:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha. I'm still piecing together Caerdain's personality as I write him, but something tells me that he'd laugh at someone for having that reaction. The whole "Why isn't everyone a DR-cloaked barbarian like me?" outlook. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 17:14:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5474978#msg5474978">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 15-11-2011, 16:23:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">We need break her to behave like proper house broke kitty and keep her on collar and leash. That way avoid our catgirl go head pounce ball crushing potential employers or influential people (like a king example).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hey now, changing into a catgirl is quite frightening, and she wants to share the experience! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 17:45:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5475095#msg5475095">Quote from: TKtheExiled on 15-11-2011, 17:00:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Haha. I'm still piecing together Caerdain's personality as I write him, but something tells me that he'd laugh at someone for having that reaction. The whole "Why isn't everyone a DR-cloaked barbarian like me?" outlook. :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I get to enjoy the benefits of everyone having testicle trauma and for once i didn't cause it! &lt;3
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 18:01:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Haha. I get the feeling that Caerdain is going to be very grateful for his DR. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-11-2011, 18:07:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Upside to being Small: My balls are much harder to reach.<br>Downside to being Small: That hit is coming in against my head instead.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>18-11-2011, 17:05:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So I was waiting for Ult to post before posting again...at this point are we just waiting for the bulk of players to get fininished of Skyrim?! 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>18-11-2011, 17:47:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lol. I was thinking the same thing this morning. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>18-11-2011, 18:27:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No Skyrim with me but Nicci has it at least :P. But next weekend I may be not around at all.....Jedi Knights of Old Republic MMO betatest invite for me.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>19-11-2011, 02:30:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have skyrim but no computer to run it on. Those fuckers in newegg finally processed my order, so it is going to take FOREVER. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>21-11-2011, 14:59:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We still on pause?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>21-11-2011, 19:27:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd post but we still don't know what momo is doing, especially with my suggestion.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>21-11-2011, 19:42:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And I am busy with school myself and next weekend playtesting Jedi Knights of Old Republic MMO (chosen as beta tester yay).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>27-11-2011, 19:54:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ult is kinda MIA... still playing Skyrim?&nbsp; I know I'm waiting on a post from him before I post again.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>13-12-2011, 18:35:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I realize that this game has kinda choked up in the last few weeks or two. Hopefully that will be over soon. I know a lot of you have been busy with the ends of your classes coming, and next week that will all be over. Hopefully then this game can get back on track.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2011, 18:57:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				yay!&nbsp; thanks for the status update!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Blue Leah</strong> on <strong>13-12-2011, 19:13:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good deal. I'll be glad to pick back up. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-12-2011, 22:55:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5591304#msg5591304">Quote from: ulthakptah on 13-12-2011, 18:35:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I realize that this game has kinda choked up in the last few weeks or two. Hopefully that will be over soon. I know a lot of you have been busy with the ends of your classes coming, and next week that will all be over. Hopefully then this game can get back on track.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nice to hear, however this and next week may be nose deep in Old Republic game :P. Released in 15th day for those who pre-ordered it (actual sale date is 20th day).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>21-12-2011, 05:19:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Any word on when this game is moving again Ult?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>02-01-2012, 23:38:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, the holidays are over, and I'm sure no one has any finals left, so this game should probably get moving again, yes?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>02-01-2012, 23:44:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				ready here!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-01-2012, 19:37:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*waves*<br><br>Ready
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2012, 21:50:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ready, I guess.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>07-01-2012, 05:08:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good times all around
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>NicciKotor</strong> on <strong>07-01-2012, 05:11:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=92168.msg5665875#msg5665875">Quote from: inflatetress on 02-01-2012, 23:44:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">ready here!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>yays!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ulthakptah</strong> on <strong>07-01-2012, 23:07:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahem, green slimy eggs, what you gonna do?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-01-2012, 00:34:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, we're still there? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: A rock and a Hard place Character sheets/OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>11-01-2012, 13:14:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				yeah....it seems whole pregancy-birthing eggs thing has killed the mood for RP it seems :P. I advice we briefly pass on the scene as deal was that Bael is caretaking our lady with egg issues while one ran off fetch cleric somesort to come cast some spells help solve the issue or figure it out what's going on.
			</dd>
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