[D&D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)
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				Title: <strong>[D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>15-02-2011, 22:59:52</strong>
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				This is the OOC, use it to speak Out of Character about the game, or just socialize with the group. Below are the 'table' rules and etiqueete. Make sure to follow them. <br><br>1-The Dungeon Master's word is the law. (What can I say, I'm old school)<br>2-Be respectful to each other, and do not let in game situations come into OOC.<br>3-Post at-least once a day if it's possible. The thread needs to move at a genuine pace. <br>4-PM Character sheets to me or post them in the OOC for inspection before listing them in the Character Creation (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98197.0#new) thread. No IC can be made until you've been accepted into the CC thread.<br>5-Use the powers found only in the books, and do not use DDI to create your character.<br>6-Play and create only your character. Assisting and suggesting is fine, but do not try to police the other player's decisions.<br>7-Have fun.<br><br>Now let the OOC Commence.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>15-02-2011, 23:14:05</strong>
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				~Does the first OOC Pole dance~ &gt;.&gt; I'll work on my character. ^_^ been working on it a little..but wanna catch up from the last two days. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 00:05:44</strong>
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				I'll be gone from the computer for a bit while I game some WoD with my home group. Leave any questions or comments here, or PM them to me and I'll get back to you on those as soon as I return. ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 00:10:45</strong>
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				I have work. I'm going to finish up my character hopefully tonight ^^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 01:55:43</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I prefer to use Plot Hooks Character Profiler because I find it very streamlined, especially for <strong>pot </strong>heavy games. Please use it for you Character sheet. Below are the books being allowed for use, if it's not there, then it's not being let in. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Beavis: Huh huh, Pot.<br><br>Anyway! Sheet and some background. While I convert to plothook, i'll first post my Character Creator summary here.<br><br>====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;D Character Builder ======<br>Alexandros, level 1<br>Human, Barbarian<br>Feral Might: Rageblood Vigor<br>Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power<br>Background: Luruar (Luruar Benefit)<br><br>FINAL ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 18, Con 14, Dex 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 13.<br><br>STARTING ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 16, Con 14, Dex 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 13.<br><br><br>AC: 16 Fort: 17 Reflex: 14 Will: 12<br>HP: 29 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 7<br><br>TRAINED SKILLS<br>Perception +4, Nature +4, Endurance +6, Athletics +8<br><br>UNTRAINED SKILLS<br>Acrobatics +1, Arcana, Bluff +1, Diplomacy +1, Dungeoneering -1, Heal -1, History, Insight -1, Intimidate +1, Religion, Stealth +1, Streetwise +1, Thievery +1<br><br>FEATS<br>Human: Weapon Expertise (Axe)<br>Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Execution axe)<br><br>POWERS<br>Barbarian at-will 1: Pressing Strike<br>Barbarian at-will 1: Howling Strike<br>Bonus At-Will Power: Howl of Fury<br>Barbarian encounter 1: Resurgent Strike<br>Barbarian daily 1: Swift Panther Rage<br><br>ITEMS<br>Execution axe, Hide Armor, Warhammer (2), Adventurer's Kit<br>====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ======<br><br><br>Background: From the reaches, probably one of the many small towns in the woods or at the edge of the Nether Mts. A warrior who was able to attune to the elements and natural spirits. Not an extremely deep bond, but one he can use to channel the spirit of nature through him, increasing his already impressive combat skills. Has a younger sister, and both parents are still alive. Speaks Common, Elvish, and Giant (Best to know the language of the orcs). A rather easygoing and friendly fellow, but can get brash and hot tempered in combat.<br><br>I'm often bad at backgrounds for level one characters, heh. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 02:05:27</strong>
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				====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;DI Character Builder ======<br>Zame Ragues, level 1<br>Shifter, Razorclaw, Ranger<br>Build: Two-Blade Ranger<br>Fighting Style: Two-Blade Fighting Style<br><br>FINAL ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 16, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 10.<br><br>STARTING ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 16, Con 12, Dex 14, Int 11, Wis 13, Cha 10.<br><br><br>AC: 16 Fort: 14 Reflex: 14 Will: 12<br>HP: 29 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 7<br><br>TRAINED SKILLS<br>Nature +7, Thievery +8, Athletics +7, Stealth +9, Perception +7<br><br>UNTRAINED SKILLS<br>Acrobatics +4, Arcana, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance, Heal +2, History, Insight +2, Intimidate, Religion, Streetwise +1<br><br>FEATS<br>Level 1: Wild Senses<br><br>POWERS<br>Ranger at-will 1: Hit and Run<br>Ranger at-will 1: Twin Strike<br>Ranger encounter 1: Evasive Strike<br>Ranger daily 1: Jaws of the Wolf<br><br>ITEMS<br>Adventurer's Kit, Hide Armor, Dagger (2), Longsword, Short sword, Arrows (90), Oil (1 pint) (2), Pouch, Belt (empty) (2), Torch (10), Thieves' Tools, Longbow<br>====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;DI Character Builder ======<br><br><br><br>I'm still coming up with the background<br><br>Let me know what you guys think.<br><br>here is the plothooks site version<br>Plothooks Character Sheet (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8145)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 03:36:28</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4264599#msg4264599">Quote from: Changingsaint on 16-02-2011, 01:55:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Background: From the reaches, probably one of the many small towns in the woods or at the edge of the Nether Mts. A warrior who was able to attune to the elements and natural spirits. Not an extremely deep bond, but one he can use to channel the spirit of nature through him, increasing his already impressive combat skills. Has a younger sister, and both parents are still alive. Speaks Common, Elvish, and Giant (Best to know the language of the orcs). A rather easygoing and friendly fellow, but can get brash and hot tempered in combat.<br><br>I'm often bad at backgrounds for level one characters, heh.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Statistically it looks good, but we'll add some more depth to the background via PM's. I have some suggestions. I know how hard it can sometimes be. Also, convert to Plothooks as soon as you can. I find it easier to reference when I'm working on the game. And their system is very easy to use. <br><br>Now, a note that just came to my attention from Zame's plothooks sheet. Remember to make the character publicly viewable, otherwise I can't see it. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 03:38:20</strong>
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				Converting to plothooks as we speak, feel free to fire away PM's ASAP. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 03:56:53</strong>
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				Try looking at my Plothook sheet now, I believe I made it public for all to look at now.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 04:16:16</strong>
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				Look's great Zame. I love it when people play the shifters. Especially Rangers, it's piratically made for them. :D<br><br>Also my accidental illegal substance, or more hopefully Kitchenware typo has been corrected. <br><br>Now that I'm not just on break from my home game, I'll get to working on helping everybody with the background. I'll get you my PM's as quickly as I can, Changing. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:21:07</strong>
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				The Luna has returned ^_^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:49:22</strong>
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				Zame, we will discuss your character more after we discuss Via pm my concern. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:49:53</strong>
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				Waiting to hear back from Hikari about her character before I make mine.<br><br>If she goes with a sword and board fighter/pally, I'll make an assault swordmage; if she'd rather go two-hander or dual wield, I'll go shielding.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:52:13</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4265520#msg4265520">Quote from: Sethala on 16-02-2011, 05:49:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Waiting to hear back from Hikari about her character before I make mine.<br><br>If she goes with a sword and board fighter/pally, I'll make an assault swordmage; if she'd rather go two-hander or dual wield, I'll go shielding.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Understandable Seth. It's always good to work with the team. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 05:57:44</strong>
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				~Looks for someone to work with then goes to her corner~
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 06:46:07</strong>
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				Ok, first draft of my character's bio:<br><br>Aureana d'Onelyn was the daughter of a minor noble, Turayen d'Onelyn, in the city of Silverymoon.&nbsp; She was training to become a swordmage when her family decided to wed her to a more powerful noble, Keldras Starseer.&nbsp; Unfortunately, Aureana had fallen in love with a commoner, Miklos Smith, and refused the arranged marriage.&nbsp; She tried to back out of it, but instead enraged Keldras, showing his true side: a power-mad brute that would stop at nothing to get what he wanted.&nbsp; Fearing for her life, she eloped with Miklos, taking only a meager sum from her family's treasury.&nbsp; However, she underestimated Keldras's anger, and soon found herself fleeing from his mercenaries.&nbsp; She managed to barely escape, however Miklos wasn't so lucky, and he was cut down trying to defend her.&nbsp; Taking the name Aureana Starblade, she now travels to Riverlund, hearing rumors of disappearances, hoping to find some way to avenge Miklos' death.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 07:06:06</strong>
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				Character sheet! (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8155) Has a more expanded history in the profile.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 08:01:28</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4265785#msg4265785">Quote from: Sethala on 16-02-2011, 06:46:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, first draft of my character's bio:<br><br>Aureana d'Onelyn was the daughter of a minor noble, Turayen d'Onelyn, in the city of Silverymoon.&nbsp; She was training to become a swordmage when her family decided to wed her to a more powerful noble, Keldras Starseer.&nbsp; Unfortunately, Aureana had fallen in love with a commoner, Miklos Smith, and refused the arranged marriage.&nbsp; She tried to back out of it, but instead enraged Keldras, showing his true side: a power-mad brute that would stop at nothing to get what he wanted.&nbsp; Fearing for her life, she eloped with Miklos, taking only a meager sum from her family's treasury.&nbsp; However, she underestimated Keldras's anger, and soon found herself fleeing from his mercenaries.&nbsp; She managed to barely escape, however Miklos wasn't so lucky, and he was cut down trying to defend her.&nbsp; Taking the name Aureana Starblade, she now travels to Riverlund, hearing rumors of disappearances, hoping to find some way to avenge Miklos' death.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Looks good. Nicely done, my friend. <br><br>@Changingsaint: I know you pmed it to me, but I had trouble checking it over at the time you did such. Very great Background. Though I'm pming you a concern I just noticed. Please answer before your character is ready to switch over to the CC thread in his full. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 08:10:43</strong>
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				Replied back with your concern!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 08:28:11</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4265980#msg4265980">Quote from: Changingsaint on 16-02-2011, 08:10:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Replied back with your concern!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I seen it. Thanks for being understanding. I know I'm slightly out of sync with all the new stuff, but I'm catching up. :) Just bear with me. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 08:46:45</strong>
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				I'm heading to bed everyone. Pm me anything you might need. I'm tired... Look forward to the new content tomorrow!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 09:45:33</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4265520#msg4265520">Quote from: Sethala on 16-02-2011, 05:49:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Waiting to hear back from Hikari about her character before I make mine.<br><br>If she goes with a sword and board fighter/pally, I'll make an assault swordmage; if she'd rather go two-hander or dual wield, I'll go shielding.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I can go either way, as you prefer.&nbsp; From the sound of it you want to do an Assault Swordmage, so I'll go with a sword and board Fighter?<br><br>Though I think, honestly, it won't matter much either way.&nbsp; All Fighters and Swordmages are basically cardinal opposites in how they defend, regardless of style.&nbsp; (Fighters are melee-marking only, movement/area denial, etc.&nbsp; Swordmages have a mark that 'sticks' and vastly better ability vs. ranged opponents.)<br><br>I'm working on my Fighter right now, but I have a 14 hour work shift starting in a few, so it'll be a while.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 16:45:16</strong>
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				Okay, so far half of the group has taken my <strong>Standard Array</strong> rule as either meaning any of the arrays found on the builder, or a 22 point buy. Considering it's being such a confusion point, those whom I've already talked to are free to change theirs back if they would prefer. Any of those still creating are free to use the optional point method. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 16:49:49</strong>
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				Alright, assault swordmage it is.&nbsp; I'll toss up a build later today most likely.<br><br>As for the point method, it's basically the same as the arrays, just with a lot more adjustments (since all the arrays are possible with point-buy)... personally, I have yet to be in a game that actually enforces the arrays and won't allow point-buy stats that aren't one of the listed arrays.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 16:54:53</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4266833#msg4266833">Quote from: Sethala on 16-02-2011, 16:49:49</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Alright, assault swordmage it is.&nbsp; I'll toss up a build later today most likely.<br><br>As for the point method, it's basically the same as the arrays, just with a lot more adjustments (since all the arrays are possible with point-buy)... personally, I have yet to be in a game that actually enforces the arrays and won't allow point-buy stats that aren't one of the listed arrays.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I've never seen the other listed arrays, I've usually worked only with the PHB1 and a few other books. Though if a majority of the group is wanting it, I tend to flex if it is at all possible. This will just add some more looking in it for me. As I said when we first started, out I'm not familiar with all the newest variants. <br><br>Though if your stats from the point come out ineffective(Yes, I've seen players that have in the past)I'll tell you to change it before the character in question is ready.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 18:39:04</strong>
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				After some research done for those point buys, and the DDI builder I've noticed that some things such as the powers were changed there. They don't match my books, thus I cannot reference them. DDI builder is thus not being allowed as of now for this reason. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:08:27</strong>
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				A lot of the powers were changed with errata - check the Updates file for any discrepancies.&nbsp; Most changes are small things, to prevent abuse or clarify confusing wordings, but a few things changed significantly (for instance, the wizard's Magic Missile does a little less damage and does fixed damage instead of a roll, but is an auto-hit).&nbsp; Also, the D&amp;D Essentials added a handful of changes to existing things in the PHB (for instance, a lot of classes now have a small choice of what ability scores to boost with their racial bonus.)<br><br>Yeah, it's a little confusing, especially if changes to an item or power are in a book and not in the official updates (for instance, a spiked chain in PHB1 is a normal two-handed weapon, in the AV it's a double weapon, and the change isn't mentioned in the updates).
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:29:50</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4267375#msg4267375">Quote from: Sethala on 16-02-2011, 19:08:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A lot of the powers were changed with errata - check the Updates file for any discrepancies.&nbsp; Most changes are small things, to prevent abuse or clarify confusing wordings, but a few things changed significantly (for instance, the wizard's Magic Missile does a little less damage and does fixed damage instead of a roll, but is an auto-hit).&nbsp; Also, the D&amp;D Essentials added a handful of changes to existing things in the PHB (for instance, a lot of classes now have a small choice of what ability scores to boost with their racial bonus.)<br><br>Yeah, it's a little confusing, especially if changes to an item or power are in a book and not in the official updates (for instance, a spiked chain in PHB1 is a normal two-handed weapon, in the AV it's a double weapon, and the change isn't mentioned in the updates).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yep, and I'd like to avoid such confusion. Keywords that avoid abuse of the power is fine, but completely changing brings the issue that I have no clue as to what is going on. So, I figured I'd just take care of it. :) 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:30:03</strong>
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				Did I mention I'm a newb guys? 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:32:06</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4267458#msg4267458">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 16-02-2011, 19:30:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Did I mention I'm a newb guys?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Most should have known. I did mention when I had someone that I could bring in that she had never managed to play 4E before. 4E players are typically very tolerant, so I figure it won't matter too much. Just ask for aid if you need help. Typically the other party members won't mind. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 19:43:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				4e has <strong>a lot </strong>of stuff if someone tries to take it all in at once. As such, I can see going without the errata (Which to be fair... is really big y'all. I mean, really really big for errata) to be a sane decision.<br><br>I've been playing 4e since it came out, i'd be very willing to help anyone new here learn it, or at least understand the basics more. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 20:14:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4267514#msg4267514">Quote from: Changingsaint on 16-02-2011, 19:43:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">4e has <strong>a lot </strong>of stuff if someone tries to take it all in at once. As such, I can see going without the errata (Which to be fair... is really big y'all. I mean, really really big for errata) to be a sane decision.<br><br>I've been playing 4e since it came out, i'd be very willing to help anyone new here learn it, or at least understand the basics more. :)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A fine idea. In fact, I'll be letting you take over a lot of the OOC watching. Thatw ay you can help answer questions/give advice to people. <br><br>I've got to make a beer run and start my home game, though. I'll be back after I'm done to inspect characters and the like. Look forward to reading them. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>16-02-2011, 22:17:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, I am going to run into a slight problem with my character, then.. I don't actually have the FRPG, Arcane Power, or Adventurer's Vault - I just have the DDI subscription, and I don't really have any way to know what the printed versions of the powers are.<br><br>I'll make my character in the character builder, but I'll look through the errata and see if any of the powers/feats/etc I picked changed.&nbsp; If so, I'll have to get with someone to find out what the printed versions are.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 00:20:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually, now I'm having second thoughts about my character.&nbsp; I'm going to keep the background story, but I'm thinking I might want to change classes.&nbsp; We've got a defender already, so I'm not leaving a hole in the party if I do change... thinking about bard, still not sure though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 00:24:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's understandable, but you'll need to talk to the other players and see what can't be done. Sorry about the Eratta issue, but while my interest carries me far, I don't want to spend 15 dollars a month to gain access to DDI just to run this game. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 00:28:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, it's understandable, I'm not going to try and force you into using other rules.<br><br>Also, I just realized that Ershin was likely going with a bard as well, so that's out.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 01:11:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There's never anything wrong with having more bards. After all they come in three delicious flavours, Cunning, Valorous and Prescient (Arcane Power). 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 01:26:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4264645#msg4264645">Quote from: ZameRagues on 16-02-2011, 02:05:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;DI Character Builder ======<br>Ash, level 1<br>Shifter, Razorclaw, Ranger<br>Build: Two-Blade Ranger<br>Fighting Style: Two-Blade Fighting Style<br><br>FINAL ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 16, Con 12, Dex 16, Int 11, Wis 15, Cha 10.<br><br>STARTING ABILITY SCORES<br>Str 16, Con 12, Dex 14, Int 11, Wis 13, Cha 10.<br><br><br>AC: 16 Fort: 14 Reflex: 14 Will: 12<br>HP: 29 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 7<br><br>TRAINED SKILLS<br>Nature +7, Thievery +8, Athletics +7, Stealth +9, Perception +7<br><br>UNTRAINED SKILLS<br>Acrobatics +4, Arcana, Bluff, Diplomacy, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance, Heal +2, History, Insight +2, Intimidate, Religion, Streetwise +1<br><br>FEATS<br>Level 1: Wild Senses<br><br>POWERS<br>Ranger at-will 1: Hit and Run<br>Ranger at-will 1: Twin Strike<br>Ranger encounter 1: Evasive Strike<br>Ranger daily 1: Jaws of the Wolf<br><br>ITEMS<br>Adventurer's Kit, Hide Armor, Dagger (2), Longsword, Short sword, Arrows (90), Oil (1 pint) (2), Pouch, Belt (empty) (2), Torch (10), Thieves' Tools, Longbow<br>====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&amp;DI Character Builder ======<br><br><br><br>I'm still coming up with the background<br><br>Let me know what you guys think.<br><br>here is the plothooks site version<br>Plothooks Character Sheet (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8145)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I haven't heard much from you, Zame. How is the background coming along? Also, just a thought, where'd you get the thievery skill? I do not believe it is on their class list, and I notice you do not have the extra skill feat? Tell me what I'm missing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 03:35:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thievery = 3 from Dex Mod + 5 being trained + 1 from background - 1 for armor penalty<br>With the background benefit, being from Amn I get Streetwise and Thievery as trainable skills along with a +1 to each<br><br>As for background, Zame grew up with his con artist of a father in poorer part of Amn. His father taught him the mechanics of Locks, Stealth, and Thievery. Often Zame with his father would steal what they could when needed. <br><br>I'm not the best at making backgrounds, if anyone has ideas please share.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 03:42:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Everything but back story here darlings<br><br><br><br><br>Aelmara Zaear (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8150)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 03:58:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4269518#msg4269518">Quote from: ZameRagues on 17-02-2011, 03:35:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Thievery = 3 from Dex Mod + 5 being trained + 1 from background - 1 for armor penalty<br>With the background benefit, being from Amn I get Streetwise and Thievery as trainable skills along with a +1 to each<br><br>As for background, Zame grew up with his con artist of a father in poorer part of Amn. His father taught him the mechanics of Locks, Stealth, and Thievery. Often Zame with his father would steal what they could when needed. <br><br>I'm not the best at making backgrounds, if anyone has ideas please share.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Regional benefit, gotcha. I figured you had a reason, and I see no reason with his class being ranger why he could not have traveled from Amn to Luruar. We'll discuss background in PM's if you'd like. I don't mind helping out a tad. We'll need to figure out why you made the large trek, and how your character came to the town. :D Good job, pal. <br><br>@Luna <em>Wolfwhistle</em> Nice pic to go along with the sheet. Statistically speaking, it's all looking fine. Fill in the alignment, throw in a background, pick a deity if you want, and fill out any fluff including the campaign name. :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 04:04:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He could have failed a larger theft from a dangerous family, to protect himself he fled North stopping in Luarar.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 04:24:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4269648#msg4269648">Quote from: ZameRagues on 17-02-2011, 04:04:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">He could have failed a larger theft from a dangerous family, to protect himself he fled North stopping in Luarar.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I was thinking something similar. I'll pm a nice to suggestion you can play with. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 04:46:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, I looked at a few builds for swordmages, and I think that's what I'm going to stick with.<br><br>I am going to try to talk Howling into allowing White Lotus Riposte feat from Dragon 374, however (text: "When an enemy you hit with an arcane at-will attack power attacks you before the start of your next turn, that enemy takes damage (of the same type the attack power deals) equal to the ability modifier to the attack power’s damage.")<br><br>It's the only feat that's more or less central to the build that doesn't have something similar in the "allowed" books, at least as far as I can tell.&nbsp; I can make it work without it, but losing the catch-22 of "attack me and take damage, or attack someone else and take damage" makes the build a bit weaker.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 05:17:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4269868#msg4269868">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 04:46:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok, I looked at a few builds for swordmages, and I think that's what I'm going to stick with.<br><br>I am going to try to talk Howling into allowing White Lotus Riposte feat from Dragon 374, however (text: "When an enemy you hit with an arcane at-will attack power attacks you before the start of your next turn, that enemy takes damage (of the same type the attack power deals) equal to the ability modifier to the attack power’s damage.")<br><br>It's the only feat that's more or less central to the build that doesn't have something similar in the "allowed" books, at least as far as I can tell.&nbsp; I can make it work without it, but losing the catch-22 of "attack me and take damage, or attack someone else and take damage" makes the build a bit weaker.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's understandable you want that. Since it's not located in a book, and rather in Dragon magazine, I'll go ahead and let it in. There will be some limits for it due to the info I found on the feat. I'll not be allowing the later feat, improved white lotus riposte. It's been largely seen as overpowered, and while I can see the want for this one, there is no need for the paragon tier version to be let in. Agree to this, and it'll pass.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 06:03:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Agreed.&nbsp; Although, it looks like they nerfed the master version, and it's not even listed in the build I found.&nbsp; I don't know what the original text was, but the new text is oddly specific that the free attack only works on that one enemy, and it doesn't work if it was marked by you.<br><br>Regardless, it looks like even if it were allowed, the errata'd version is no good, so I'm fine with not allowing it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 06:18:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4270203#msg4270203">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 06:03:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Agreed.&nbsp; Although, it looks like they nerfed the master version, and it's not even listed in the build I found.&nbsp; I don't know what the original text was, but the new text is oddly specific that the free attack only works on that one enemy, and it doesn't work if it was marked by you.<br><br>Regardless, it looks like even if it were allowed, the errata'd version is no good, so I'm fine with not allowing it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sounds good. I figure you wouldn't have an issue with it. :) Continue on please. I'm anxious to get the game underway. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:20:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, my character's mostly done, just copying the info to plothook.net.&nbsp; Might change what skills I'm trained in, if we're missing anything, but beyond that I'm set.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 07:34:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4270508#msg4270508">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 07:20:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Alright, my character's mostly done, just copying the info to plothook.net.&nbsp; Might change what skills I'm trained in, if we're missing anything, but beyond that I'm set.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sounds good, buddy. Link me to the plothooks when it's done. Lol
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 08:04:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				All Done!!!!!!!!!<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size: 18pt;" class="bbc_size">Luna's Character Sheet (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8150)</span>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 08:28:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Everything except the actual powers is done then: here's Aureana Starblade's (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8158) character sheet
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 09:27:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sheet's now complete as it can be, very similar to the one I sent you over PMs for approval Howling, though the stats have been edited to use one of the standard arrays from the PHB1 rather than the 22 point buy. Also I purchased a shield.<br>Riene Rosengard (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8154)<br><br>I'm still at odds with the background, basic details are all worked out but bringing it together in a way that seems sensible seems to be giving a slight bother. I'll definitely have it finished by the end of the day (in my time zone) however.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 15:39:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And, character sheet is mostly done.&nbsp; I shifted around ability scores a bit (was still using ability scores from a different build), and I typed up all the powers.&nbsp; Still need to add a bit of fluff to the character, but otherwise I'm set.<br><br>Also, who's trained in what skills?&nbsp; We might want to make sure we've got at least one person trained in each skill.&nbsp; I've got Arcana, Stealth, History, Insight, and Diplomacy (although the last one is low as I have a -1 Cha mod).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 18:10:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hey Seth just so you know we can't see your character. It's not publicly viewable &lt;3 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 18:12:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm a bit pressed for time, so I don't have as much chance to go over other character sheets to look for useful synergies and such as I'd like.&nbsp; As such, I'm going to give the twenty-second version of what I'm playing with to see if anyone has any notes or suggestions.&nbsp; Should be done soon.<br><br>Selendriel<br>Eladrin Fighter (Defender)<br>Good<br>STR 16<br>CON 14<br>DEX 16<br>WIS 13<br>INT 10<br>CHA 10<br><br>Fighter Weapon Talent: One-Handed Weapons<br>At-Will Powes: Tide of Iron, Crushing Surge<br>Encounter Powers: Shield Bash<br>Daily Powers: Lasting Threat<br><br>Trained Skills: Athletics, Endurance, Intimidate<br>Feats: Shield Push<br><br>Equipment: Spear, Heavy Shield, Scale Armor<br><br>Basic concept: think Spartan.&nbsp; Focus on control of battlespace and the melee line with lots of pushing, shifting, and always-handy Fey Step mobility.&nbsp; High defense and survivability, low damage.&nbsp; I'm not using powers that involve flanking or team-attacks at the moment (I don't think we have a Rogue?) though that could change.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 18:47:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've always found spears to be an odd choice for fighters, to be honest.&nbsp; Keep in mind that, while you can mark with reach, you have to be adjacent to take advantage of Combat Challenge.&nbsp; Beyond that though, looks good, though I think you forgot to get another skill trained via Eladrin Education.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 18:55:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4270676#msg4270676">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 08:28:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Everything except the actual powers is done then: here's Aureana Starblade's (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8158) character sheet<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>In a hurry, so just taking care of what caught my eye the most. You need to make your character publicly viewable, as I've said once before Sethala. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 18:57:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, character sheet is public now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 20:04:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4270676#msg4270676">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 08:28:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Everything except the actual powers is done then: here's Aureana Starblade's (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8158) character sheet<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The only way I can respond to your character without sounding curt is to tell you to remake her. I'm enforcing the standard array for any adjustments you make, or if you choose to pick another class. If you'd like a more detailed explanation, PM me for it. I'm not gonna bring it on the thread. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 22:16:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4271961#msg4271961">Quote from: Sethala on 17-02-2011, 18:47:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I've always found spears to be an odd choice for fighters, to be honest.&nbsp; Keep in mind that, while you can mark with reach, you have to be adjacent to take advantage of Combat Challenge.&nbsp; Beyond that though, looks good, though I think you forgot to get another skill trained via Eladrin Education.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's not a longspear, so it doesn't actually have reach.&nbsp; As weapons go the benefit of it is in being able to use spear-specific bonuses on certain powers, particularly those that grant pushing or shifting effects.&nbsp; A heavy blade would be one choice for an alternate (particularly for an Eladrin) but since heavy blade bonuses on exploits mostly relate to straight damage/multiple attacks, it isn't as interesting for me.&nbsp; The shield will probably end up being the centerpiece of the build, anyway.<br><br>The extra skill I'm actually curious about: does Eladrin Education provide training in <em>any</em> chosen skill, or only in additional class skill?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 22:17:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Eladrin training provides you any skill, not just those of your class.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 22:18:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				~Wiggles her little Eladrin's tushie~ When can we starrrrrtttttt ~Whines~
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 22:29:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The last skill will depend somewhat on what everyone else has, I guess.&nbsp; If nothing's particularly needed, I'll probably just take Acrobatics or Perception.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 22:36:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4272737#msg4272737">Quote from: Hikari on 17-02-2011, 22:29:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The last skill will depend somewhat on what everyone else has, I guess.&nbsp; If nothing's particularly needed, I'll probably just take Acrobatics or Perception.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A good thought, as soon as I have a spare moment, I'll pm you with some thoughts/suggestions. We'll also work on getting your character transferred to plothooks and a background up so this thread can get moving. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:34:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Any advice would be appreciated.&nbsp; Personality and basic background I'm fine on, but fitting it into the 4e Faerun setting might be a little tougher.&nbsp; I'm not especially savvy to most of the locations and their respective backgrounds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:36:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just bullshized my background &gt;.&gt; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:43:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4272986#msg4272986">Quote from: Hikari on 17-02-2011, 23:34:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Any advice would be appreciated.&nbsp; Personality and basic background I'm fine on, but fitting it into the 4e Faerun setting might be a little tougher.&nbsp; I'm not especially savvy to most of the locations and their respective backgrounds.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Understandable. I'll pm you in just a moment, and start up the talk about it. I'll give you the information needed for Faerun's regions, and even talk with you in depth about how it might have ended up. ;)<br><br>By the way. I just noticed we have a startling number of Eladrin's. I'll like to get down what sort of Elf in FR you are, as they have different feats specific to certain sorts of Eladrin, like moon-elves and sun-elves. We already have one moon-elf, so let's try to diversify it a little so no one's flair is stolen. Race is half the fun on 4E.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>17-02-2011, 23:53:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is there more than one feat specific to Sun vs. Moon Elf?&nbsp; I don't mind being a Sun Elf, though I doubt I'll ever take the feat, anyway.&nbsp; Heroic Tier is crowded for good feats, and that one isn't anything to write home about.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 01:31:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Who's our healer in the group? We've got everything else as far as i can see, but at least I haven't seen anyone who can do much healing wise.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 02:28:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Our bard, played by Ershin.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 02:56:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4273333#msg4273333">Quote from: ZameRagues on 18-02-2011, 01:31:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Who's our healer in the group? We've got everything else as far as i can see, but at least I haven't seen anyone who can do much healing wise.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I think he is referring to the lack of a character with the heal skill. On 4E, the basic healer isn't actually a class. It's been replaced by the support role called the leader. Typically, the leader will have the heal skill. Bards have many abilities that aid in this, but none as reliable as the simple skill that allows an ally to use a surge. <br><br>Looking into it, we have three players with access to the heal skill. You, our fighter, and the bard. None have opted to pick it. This could be an issue. What does the group think you guys should do about that? Considering our bard's low wisdom, I can't say opting out of it was a bad call. Though you and the fighter both have good wisdoms, and have access to that skill. Might I also bring up the high number of Eladrin. Eladarin education could allow any of you with a good wisdom to grab it. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 03:58:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, character stats are redone and saved.&nbsp; Howling, going to send you a PM with a bit more info about the changes.&nbsp; I'm also going to make a second pass on it for fluff.<br><br>I'm not particularly attached to my Stealth skill; I figured it would fit in with my character's backstory, but for mechanical purposes I'm fine with switching it to Heal, although I currently have a +0 Wis mod.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 04:31:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4272685#msg4272685">Quote from: Hikari on 17-02-2011, 22:16:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's not a longspear, so it doesn't actually have reach.&nbsp; As weapons go the benefit of it is in being able to use spear-specific bonuses on certain powers, particularly those that grant pushing or shifting effects.&nbsp; A heavy blade would be one choice for an alternate (particularly for an Eladrin) but since heavy blade bonuses on exploits mostly relate to straight damage/multiple attacks, it isn't as interesting for me.&nbsp; The shield will probably end up being the centerpiece of the build, anyway.<br><br>The extra skill I'm actually curious about: does Eladrin Education provide training in <em>any</em> chosen skill, or only in additional class skill?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ah, I apologize, I had my weapons confused.&nbsp; Spear is a perfectly fine choice for a fighter, then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 06:38:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know theres no "Healer" class, I was just wondering if there was someone who would be our main healer. Similar to me being the thief of the group with my thievery, I just haven't seen anyone with a higher Heal skill then the rest of us.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Ershin</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 09:33:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Technically that would be me due to my Majestic Word 2x encounter power that allows an ally to spend a healing surge while also regaining HP equal to my Cha modifier (minor action). I've also got a selection of "pinata" powers that heal allies when they hit enemies, my daily Stirring Shout and my at-will War Song Strike, for example, along with other powers that generally aid allies in not getting hit in the first place.<br>Generally not as good a healer as a Cleric, but a Bard should get the job done.<br><br>Never really saw the need for the Heal skill with my low Wis.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 10:01:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4274709#msg4274709">Quote from: ZameRagues on 18-02-2011, 06:38:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I know theres no "Healer" class, I was just wondering if there was someone who would be our main healer. Similar to me being the thief of the group with my thievery, I just haven't seen anyone with a higher Heal skill then the rest of us.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>As I said, I mentioned you were probably asking about that. :P<br><br>Though that brings me to what I've been mulling over on your background. I had some ideas, but first I need to ask a question. Your character seems more like a beefed up rogue that lacks guile and wields two swords. I'm not chiding you here, but is this what you had in mind?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 11:30:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98429.0#new (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98429.0#new)<br><br>Too lazy to url it, so there is the IC thread. It's the first of three I'll be making. <br><br>They will listed as Civilization, Wilderness, and Dungeons. I know that may seem lack luster, but If I make a custom thread for each new settlement woods, or dungeon, we will soon find our selves out of threads available.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 11:34:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Works for me !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll postie in the morning though
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 11:44:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't mind playing a "healer" if there is still room. But to be honest i haven't played 4th ed at all. Oh i have the basic books and such but not much else in actual know how on how to play it. So if you need someone who has a learning curve I can make someone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 12:00:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4275410#msg4275410">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 18-02-2011, 11:44:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I don't mind playing a "healer" if there is still room. But to be honest i haven't played 4th ed at all. Oh i have the basic books and such but not much else in actual know how on how to play it. So if you need someone who has a learning curve I can make someone.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Pmed you with details. Get back to me at your leisure.&nbsp; :D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 12:11:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Careful what you wish for. :-) <br><br>Anyway if people don't mind a newbie much, then many a few tips would be fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 16:26:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll take Perception as my last skill, then, I suppose.&nbsp; Black Howling, did you get my PM or should I resend it?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:14:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4275842#msg4275842">Quote from: Hikari on 18-02-2011, 16:26:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll take Perception as my last skill, then, I suppose.&nbsp; Black Howling, did you get my PM or should I resend it?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>No, I got it. Sorry, but yesterday was extremely hectic for me. Didn't have time to reply to it. I'm doing such now. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:17:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				~Bites Howling~ You are ....evill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:33:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4276400#msg4276400">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 18-02-2011, 19:17:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">~Bites Howling~ You are ....evill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm not evil. Well, not fully anyhow. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:33:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				/does the first IC post dance/<br><br>Anyway! Looking forward to the game now that its on the road!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:35:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				/Does the working on the second post dance/<br><br><br>and you are evil &lt;3 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 19:48:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<em>Thunks both Luna and Changing on the head</em> <br><br>Make sure to post in the CC thread with your finished character, and any added fluff for it. This is so everyone knows who's involved. &gt;.&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:01:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Posted to the character thread with alex.<br><br>Also, for what its worth? my AC sucks. My AC really really sucks, and my non fort NADS (Beavis: Heh heh, nads) aren't hot at all... So I will be taking a beating in combats, though hopefully the group can work with me to keep me alive as well!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:09:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Does the I-beat-someone-to-second-post dance*<br><br>I'm assuming that hair dyes wouldn't be too uncommon for an alchemist's shop to have, especially ones that are slightly enchanted to look more realistic/last longer/etc.&nbsp; If that seems to be too out of place, I'll switch it around.&nbsp; Waiting on posting in the character thread until I get the go-ahead from Howling (let me know if you didn't get the PMs I sent you).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:14:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4276630#msg4276630">Quote from: Sethala on 18-02-2011, 20:09:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">*Does the I-beat-someone-to-second-post dance*<br><br>I'm assuming that hair dyes wouldn't be too uncommon for an alchemist's shop to have, especially ones that are slightly enchanted to look more realistic/last longer/etc.&nbsp; If that seems to be too out of place, I'll switch it around.&nbsp; Waiting on posting in the character thread until I get the go-ahead from Howling (let me know if you didn't get the PMs I sent you).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What in the??? Do you have fun blatantly ignoring the GM's rules? You were not cleared to post, I was mulling over something before I said anything about your character today. But after that, I feel your just going to continue ignoring anything I say, which means you should have just been the DM in the first place. <br><br>Everyone Ignore his posts. Act as if it never happened. <br><br>Sethala, sorry, but I'm taking you out of the game. Don't post in any more of the threads again, please. :(
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:20:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait, what?&nbsp; Really?<br><br>First off, you said the character's backstory was good, and that the only problems with the character sheet were the statistical things, which I changed and PMed you twice about.<br><br>Second, you never said anywhere that we had to be cleared before posting in the IC thread.&nbsp; At all.&nbsp; Since you said you liked the backstory, I figured it would be ok for me to post there, since we wouldn't be doing anything that requires actual stats for a while.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:28:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<em>4-PM Character sheets to me or post them in the OOC for inspection before listing them in the Character Creation thread.</em><br><br>I figured that would be enough to know you shouldn't post before you got accepted into CC thread. Luna and Changing have been the only ones so far. Regardless, you never completed the second try, you didn't follow what I stated. I was mulling over how to reply to that before responding. That was not a silent consent. <br><br>Please just exit the game. I don't want any issues arising here. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Sethala</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:35:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmph.&nbsp; Very well.<br><br>First off, I apologize for misunderstanding your rules.&nbsp; I understood the point of not posting in the character thread, but I did not realize that extended to the IC thread when everything being posted was merely introductions.<br><br>Second, I have removed the offending post, so that it does not interrupt the flow of the game.<br><br>And lastly, I wish all of you good luck in your endeavors, and for the players, I wish you luck with such a militant DM.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:36:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh but Militant is such a turn on....&gt;.&gt; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>18-02-2011, 20:39:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4276734#msg4276734">Quote from: Sethala on 18-02-2011, 20:35:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmph.&nbsp; Very well.<br><br>First off, I apologize for misunderstanding your rules.&nbsp; I understood the point of not posting in the character thread, but I did not realize that extended to the IC thread when everything being posted was merely introductions.<br><br>Second, I have removed the offending post, so that it does not interrupt the flow of the game.<br><br>And lastly, I wish all of you good luck in your endeavors, and for the players, I wish you luck with such a militant DM.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Thank you for your understanding Sethala.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 00:07:35</strong>
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				~Peeks in~ so them yankees...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 00:13:11</strong>
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				Question. I'd like to know if the group as a whole would be squicked out by a dragonborn, especially considering the erotic theme to the game. While I know it's not center stage, it is present, and the dragonborn is probably gonna want some action too. ;) NPC's can probably handle it for him, but he's got an alternative he's not quite as into if it does bother anyone. <br><br>Please get back to me as quickly as possible on this guys. I'd like to get everyone up and running.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 00:14:15</strong>
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				I'm in maybe I'll earn in my ....scale badge...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 01:43:01</strong>
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				Hmm thats one out of six so far. Anyway since I assume I am in a defender route I should be as hard to kill as freaking possible. Or do people want a little extra killing power in their tank and healer? Wouldn't ask this question if I could make up my mind on the subject by the way so feel free to give some good advice.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 01:56:34</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4277753#msg4277753">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 19-02-2011, 01:43:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm thats one out of six so far. Anyway since I assume I am in a defender route I should be as hard to kill as freaking possible. Or do people want a little extra killing power in their tank and healer? Wouldn't ask this question if I could make up my mind on the subject by the way so feel free to give some good advice.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Typically the defender's job is to keep the enemies off of the lower HP characters. I notice your use of the WoW slang, so I'll put it into an MMO type of explanation. There is no aggro per say, most of that will be perceived. In place of it the defenders have attacks that mark and make it dangerous to ignore them in battle. Equivalently you place them in a lose lose situation, attack me and be hit from behind by the others, or ignore me and face that wrath. <br><br>By nature, the defender should have a good deal HP. Some of the highest defenses and HPs in the group. Considering we already have a sword and board style defender, I'd half suggest you take a two hander type, freeing you more up to use your healing capabilities more easily. It also will put the two of you less at odds when the loot trays come about. <br><br>Of course this is just the statistical advice given by the GM. You can't deny cool factor, if that's what you're into. You also can't deny the party's opinions, as it's often best to work with them and make the most of your capabilities. <br><br>But as a general term, go for as high of defenses and HP as possible. ;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:06:05</strong>
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				Re: Defenders. Defenders are my favorite kind of character to play, here are my tips.<br><br>1) Defenders are not tanks. I know, its odd. Defenders should be tanks, right? But you don't want to hold 'aggro' on every mob. Keeping the rest of the group pristine and clean sounds great... Until you as a defender run out of surges for the day, and are in the single digit HP, because then you can't really be healed. We will have to rest, anyway. Your job is to control the battlefield, and punish the enemy for not attacking you. Fighters do that by bitch slapping marked enemies. Paladins do that by calling down the wrath of god. Wardens do it with nature. Swordmages teleport and do it... And Fightbrains... Don't do it so hot.<br><br>2) Defenders are good at different things. Fighters are the best defenders at doing damage, even a sword and board fighter can hit hard, they are semi-strikers. Paladins can be rather self sustaining and give out decent buffs, they are part leaders. Swordmages excel at hitting a lot of opponents, they are part controller. Wardens and Fightbrains (Battleminds), are a bit of all of that, but generally they deal the least damage of any defender. If you want a Defender who still hits enemies hard, make a Fighter.<br><br>Re: Dragonborn and naughtiness.<br><br>Eh, I am not too thrilled about hearing on the sexual tales of a dragonborn :). However, if he wants to play a dragonborn, thats cool. I would just prefer to not see any such scenes. Place them in different threads from the main going ons, and I couldn't care less. Out of sight=Out of mind. I don't want to intrinsically say no of course, but there are some things i'd rather not see described. :p
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:08:35</strong>
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				Double post ftw! But I am also open to helping anyone make a character should they need it, I've helped other people in the group, and have no qualms about giving help to others!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:09:00</strong>
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				Hmm... Don't follow what this wow is... just kidding.<br><br>Anyway I notice that with the standard ability scores I cannot truly pull such a feat off without sacrificing prime ability scores. For example heres what my scores currently are as I was going for an avenging paladin build as a dragonborn.<br><br>Str: 18 (originally 16)<br>Con: 12<br>Dex: 11<br>Int: 10<br>Wis: 13<br>Cha: 16 (originally 14)<br><br>Heres what it looks like as a half elf avenging paladin.<br><br>Str: 16<br>Con: 14 (originally 12)<br>Dex: 11<br>Int: 10<br>Wis: 13<br>Cha: 16 (originally 14)<br><br>Obviously I cannot be all that, something has to give. I went with the standard array also. Anyway the weapon I was planning on wielding was a greataxe so there's no problem with the sword and board character at the very least. It gives me High Crit and the best kind of damage output in my opinion. And axes kick ass to begin with. ^_^<br><br>PS - I was not doing a dragonborn character for the sexing, not for a lack of exploring anyway, but because he felt idea for a a paladin. Anyway thats one in favor and another not in favor.&nbsp; Thank you guys for the input as it helps me make the character.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:14:35</strong>
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				Dragonborn can make highly effective fighters, if you are willing to listen &amp; be humored by me ;) Though dragonborn paladins are not bad, i'd personally say play what you like, however.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:17:39</strong>
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				This I have no doubt but I am playing a paladin for the ability to heal others to boot. I enjoy that kind of role and lets face it people love a healer. ^_^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:19:01</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4275319#msg4275319">Quote from: Black Howling on 18-02-2011, 10:01:24</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">As I said, I mentioned you were probably asking about that. :P<br><br>Though that brings me to what I've been mulling over on your background. I had some ideas, but first I need to ask a question. Your character seems more like a beefed up rogue that lacks guile and wields two swords. I'm not chiding you here, but is this what you had in mind?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yes, that's the general idea. So what idea did you have regarding my character's background
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:26:40</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4278080#msg4278080">Quote from: ZameRagues on 19-02-2011, 03:19:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes, that's the general idea. So what idea did you have regarding my character's background<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well my issues with your current story is that it revolves primarily around what seems to me as an urban area. While this 'can' work for a ranger, I would believe the dungeoneering would make more sense for it then the nature, as you would have had more experience in the sewers then in the wilds. Also, you're a razorclaw shifter (And on the topic of being squicked out, does anyone dislike furries? :P ) Naturally I see these creatures as a bit of loner's that feel more comfortable in the wilds, though I'm not gonna pressure any restrictions on your character.<br><br>Though in my opinion, keeping it more how it is, I think you would probably work better by changing your thief father to a highwayman or Bandit, having raised his son into the same profession. Perhaps to make an example of why you fled you could have sacked a caravan with your father that was in truth a thieve's guild shipment, and the people on it that you let go contacted the guild about your activities. They came caught your father, but you escaped and had to head up north in order to escape them. <br><br>Just a general thought, but one that works more toward your character then the former idea. Though it changes the concept just a bit. ;) <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4278069#msg4278069">Quote from: Changingsaint on 19-02-2011, 03:14:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Dragonborn can make highly effective fighters, if you are willing to listen &amp; be humored by me ;) Though dragonborn paladins are not bad, i'd personally say play what you like, however.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I would prefer if we did not have two characters of the same class. I'd like variety, and sometimes it does take the flair from another character if we have two of the same classes in the group. Plus I was recruiting for a Healer type to help out our bard, as she does lack the heal skill, and with obvious reason considering she would not have been very good at it. <br><br>Oh, and good points on the defender. The players usually have insight the GMs lack. This is also why I pressed for two defenders. Their job is without a doubt described as keeping the lower hp party members at bay, which is why in a group of four you'll typically want a striker or leader with partial defender qualities. Each class has a sub role they can help fill. :)<br>&nbsp;
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 03:58:09</strong>
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				Being more experienced with sewers and such, does make more sense then nature. I like the thieves guild shipment, the concept is I think better then before with this. Regarding being a Razorclaw, I'm looking over the other races to see if one might fit better for me.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 04:13:21</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4278222#msg4278222">Quote from: ZameRagues on 19-02-2011, 03:58:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Being more experienced with sewers and such, does make more sense then nature. I like the thieves guild shipment, the concept is I think better then before with this. Regarding being a Razorclaw, I'm looking over the other races to see if one might fit better for me.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, as just another suggestion, the Half-Orc in the PHB2 is highly effective as a ranger or a rogue. So it works for your idea regardless. Also, they are not the hideous creatures they were in D&amp;D 3rd. I actually think they look really cool. But inevitably it is your decision. You can also look into playing an urban wood-elf. ^_^ These ideas might require some stat tweaking, but that's usually a couple of minutes and it's good. 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 04:16:48</strong>
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				Heck, I kinda regret not playing a half orc in a sense ;) But I've mostly been on such a nonhuman kick in 4e as of late that I figured it best to play human!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 04:50:20</strong>
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				Okay, I'm gonna go with Elf. I've never been a fan of Orcs, Half-Orcs, or Humans. Any other idea you want to throw by me for my character?
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:06:45</strong>
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				Still waiting on a few votes on whether or not people would get squicked out but a Dragonborn in the party.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:08:22</strong>
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				I'm fine with a dragonborn being in the party
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:09:18</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Already noted my concerns upthread. :) I have no qualms about dragonborn themselves. They are cool. I just prefer not to see things I wouldn't prefer, but ey! Like I said, outta sight = Outta mind!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:16:28</strong>
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				That's 2 vs 1 votes changing saint. You may be seeing a scaly tail in your future!!! *Canned evil laughter*&nbsp; &gt;:)<br><br>Nah just kidding I respect your opinions and such. Anyway for you I give you some lawls.<br><br>The XP Hunters in 'Evil Eye' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0jps2ZLfOg#)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 05:23:05</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				my last 4e character was a Dragonborn (Sir Reginald, the Cavalier, it was an essentials only game... Not sure if I like essentials stuff yet... Though hexblades are awesome. if this game allowed more stuff I might have made a Hexblade!). So I wouldn't really count my vote as against ;) In general, i'm not against any players who are cooperative and can work with the group IC and OOC.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 06:51:53</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4278419#msg4278419">Quote from: ZameRagues on 19-02-2011, 04:50:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay, I'm gonna go with Elf. I've never been a fan of Orcs, Half-Orcs, or Humans. Any other idea you want to throw by me for my character?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'd say we got a lot of it covered. The nature or dungeoneering can make sense with the bandit theme. Though another idea I'm not sure you will be as fond of just popped into my head when you mentioned playing the elf. Perhaps your character's father and him were waging a bit of a guerrilla battle against the thieves guilds of amn both in and out of the city. Maybe the last cut with their important shipment was the last straw, and with your father falling dead at their hands, you had to get a quick sort of revenge and head out before the same happened to you. <br><br>Not sure you're in for that, and it does sound a little more like good though could still work for unaligned, I figured I'd run it past you. <br><br>@Laughing Hyena: Awesome vid! That cracked me up. &gt;.&gt; Reminds me slightly of the knights of the dinner table comic.&nbsp; <br><br>{Edit: Though I'd like to mention the meet up of the characters a little more. I had a good idea for all six party members that could include the wilds thread. We already have three that will most certainly be traveling sorts, and another that could play well inside the city. Perhaps we can do a two parter, and they meet in the middle if you get what I mean?} 
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 07:08:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4278818#msg4278818">Quote from: Black Howling on 19-02-2011, 06:51:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'd say we got a lot of it covered. The nature or dungeoneering can make sense with the bandit theme. Though another idea I'm not sure you will be as fond of just popped into my head when you mentioned playing the elf. Perhaps your character's father and him were waging a bit of a guerrilla battle against the thieves guilds of amn both in and out of the city. Maybe the last cut with their important shipment was the last straw, and with your father falling dead at their hands, you had to get a quick sort of revenge and head out before the same happened to you. <br><br>Not sure you're in for that, and it does sound a little more like good though could still work for unaligned, I figured I'd run it past you. <br><br>@Laughing Hyena: Awesome vid! That cracked me up. &gt;.&gt; Reminds me slightly of the knights of the dinner table comic.&nbsp; <br><br>{Edit: Though I'd like to mention the meet up of the characters a little more. I had a good idea for all six party members that could include the wilds thread. We already have three that will most certainly be traveling sorts, and another that could play well inside the city. Perhaps we can do a two parter, and they meet in the middle if you get what I mean?}<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>*grins wide* I like it! I wish I had come up with that, now if I can come up with the reason that my character and his father began the guerrilla battle, then my characters background should be mostly set. Maybe the two of us were part of the thieves guild, but were wronged or robbed by a member of the same guild, though they could never prove it. Or something to that tune, yay or nay on how you feel about it. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Revelation</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 07:22:18</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Works for me, howling. I'm already in the town though, so i'll see who gets shunted to the wilds!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 08:28:37</strong>
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				Maybe my character's mother was murdered by a rival thief in the thieves guild zame and his father are part of, and we know who did it but lack the evidence, or the guild refuses to help in any way to catch the murderer. Always fun laying in bed and getting an idea, now if it can be into a straight story that'd be great. Any ideas anyone?
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 08:36:04</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay its been decided. I am making a half elf paladin. Thier versatility and lack of squick factor should please all<br>
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 08:51:21</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4279124#msg4279124">Quote from: ZameRagues on 19-02-2011, 08:28:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Maybe my character's mother was murdered by a rival thief in the thieves guild zame and his father are part of, and we know who did it but lack the evidence, or the guild refuses to help in any way to catch the murderer. Always fun laying in bed and getting an idea, now if it can be into a straight story that'd be great. Any ideas anyone?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You and your father refused to do a certain job for the thieves guild, and so they took your characters mother and sister away trying to use them as collateral to persuade the two of you. Ya'll knew the demands wouldn't stop there, so you tried to save her but failed. They were killed, but the two of you escaped and swore revenge. How does that sound? <br><br>[Edit] Oh, and good to know Hyena. Hope you didn't feel pressured into that. Though the half-elf is extremely good with the paladin,a nd is typically a good choice. :) My favorite race for the class. [edit]
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 09:25:38</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Nah, no pressure. Just felt it was a good choice to make. Are there any divinity feats for Torm in any 4e books
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 09:35:16</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4279308#msg4279308">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 19-02-2011, 09:25:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Nah, no pressure. Just felt it was a good choice to make. Are there any divinity feats for Torm in any 4e books<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Torm’s Justice [Divinity]<br>Prerequisites: Channel Divinity class feature,<br>must worship Torm<br>Benefit: You can invoke the power of your deity to<br>use Torm’s justice.<br>Channel Divinity: Torm’s Justice Feat Power<br>The sight of evil fills Torm with a cold, clear wrath. When you<br>invoke his name, his just anger becomes yours.<br>Encounter ✦ Divine<br>Minor Action Personal<br>Effect: You gain a +2 power bonus to attack rolls against<br>bloodied enemies until the end of your next turn.<br>Special: You must take the Torm’s Justice feat to use this<br>power.<br><br>Torm's justice from the Forgotten Realms Players guide, Page 137.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 10:07:12</strong>
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				Okay I think I am almost done with the sheet itself. Now for the backstory.<br><br>http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8162 (http://plothook.net/RPG/profiler/view.php?id=8162)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 15:36:52</strong>
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				Little late, I know, but in terms of Defenders you really have several choices in how to go about it (though race does limit you, somewhat, to what choice you make):<br><br>The Offensive Lineman: This type of Defender basically exists to get in the damn way.&nbsp; They specialize in preventing enemies from moving, moving them back away from where they don't want to be, and abilities that allow them to move into spaces that facilitate these actions.&nbsp; They protect other party members by not letting opponents attack them in the first place.&nbsp; Fighters work well in this niche with the right weapons (shields, blades, spears/polearms, and flails in particular).&nbsp; This is basically what I'm playing.&nbsp; Eladrin and Elves are somewhat better at this style because of their high mobility.<br><br>The Brick: This type of Defender is just really hard to kill.&nbsp; They specialize in high defense, self-healing, and survival.&nbsp; They have abilities that allow them to gain temporary HP, make free use of healing surges, completely ignore damage from attacks, make additional saving throws, etc.&nbsp; Their concern is not on keeping enemies from attacking effectively, but rather on making enemies attack them (because that, in itself, is ineffective) and they often need to supplement class features with a few other powers (Come and Get It, for example) to make this happen.&nbsp; A Fighter can do this role well if they use an axe or hammer; not surprisingly, Dwarves and Dragonborn tend to be best at it.<br><br>The Punisher: This type of Defender doesn't <em>literally</em> force opponents to attack him, but rather focuses on making it so miserably expensive <em>not</em> to attack him that it simply isn't worth it.&nbsp; They concentrate on abilities that do a lot of damage to enemies, especially in punitive form for attacking others when marked or otherwise ignoring the defender.&nbsp; Obviously, they tend to need supportive powers that supplement their ability to mark/maintain marks on targets.&nbsp; The Battlemind does this almost exclusively, and Paladins can be very good at it as well.&nbsp; Fighters generally are not very good at this style of defending because their mark-punishment ability is not usually as damaging and they have fewer punitive-type exploits.&nbsp; Punishers generally want to use two-handed weapons and usually have the least defense of the defender types.&nbsp; Dragonborn, Genasi, and Tieflings make good punishers.<br><br>The Cockblocker: This type of Defender is basically a specialized form of the Offensive Lineman.&nbsp; This OL wants to control the battle-space and prevent movement on a broad scale; the Cockblocker really just wants to completely fuck up one or two enemies' day.&nbsp; The Cockblocker is nigh-inescapable once he's got his teeth into an opponent, and generally is quite good at performing all the above tasks in a one-on-one fight, he just lacks the ability to 'spread the love' as efficiently as other defenders.&nbsp; Basically, instead of trying to corral large numbers of enemies, the Cockblocker just completely takes one enemy out of the battle and renders them a non-factor.&nbsp; This is an area where Swordmages really excel since even ranged opponents can't really escape them and they have a lot of versatility in dealing with an opponent.&nbsp; Halflings make excellent Cockblockers, but only at the pub.<br><br>The Warden: Umm...&nbsp; I don't know?&nbsp; I've never played a Warden.&nbsp; They've got some interesting powers, but there's a lot about them I'll flat-out say I don't like and don't think works well for defending at all.&nbsp; I'm not really sure what you'd plan to do with one, so hopefully someone can show me and then we'll both know.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 16:11:53</strong>
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				Well my current build has me decked out in full armor wielding a greataxe with the mantra of my powers revolving around marking more then one key opponent, making them pay for not attacking me whilst giving other characters openings. <br><br>I was insanely tempted to buy that warlock power that makes it so that when enemies get closer to me they'd suffer radiance damage making it a lose lose situation since they would suffer damage if they did or did not attack me when I mark them. But I went with the cleric power righteous brand. A lot of my powers revolve around giving support to my allies, granting bonuses to their attack, or mine or making my enemy suffer an attack penalty. I also have the ability to grant a healing surge outside of my lay on hands and heal skill.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 17:08:15</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4279218#msg4279218">Quote from: Black Howling on 19-02-2011, 08:51:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You and your father refused to do a certain job for the thieves guild, and so they took your characters mother and sister away trying to use them as collateral to persuade the two of you. Ya'll knew the demands wouldn't stop there, so you tried to save her but failed. They were killed, but the two of you escaped and swore revenge. How does that sound? <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>And in enacting that revenge my father and I fall into there trap, we then attempt to flee, but my father is either cut or shot down by that thieves guild. Knowing he's died I continue to flee Amn making my way north only with what I have on my person at the time, declaring that the leader of the thieves guild would fall by my hand someday.<br><br>I like how I never said anything about my character having a sister, but we both came up with the idea have my character having a sister. I just thought of having a sister late last night, it just popped into my head.<br><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>19-02-2011, 19:21:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4279752#msg4279752">Quote from: Hikari on 19-02-2011, 15:36:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Little late, I know, but in terms of Defenders you really have several choices in how to go about it (though race does limit you, somewhat, to what choice you make):<br><br>The Offensive Lineman: This type of Defender basically exists to get in the damn way.&nbsp; They specialize in preventing enemies from moving, moving them back away from where they don't want to be, and abilities that allow them to move into spaces that facilitate these actions.&nbsp; They protect other party members by not letting opponents attack them in the first place.&nbsp; Fighters work well in this niche with the right weapons (shields, blades, spears/polearms, and flails in particular).&nbsp; This is basically what I'm playing.&nbsp; Eladrin and Elves are somewhat better at this style because of their high mobility.<br><br>The Brick: This type of Defender is just really hard to kill.&nbsp; They specialize in high defense, self-healing, and survival.&nbsp; They have abilities that allow them to gain temporary HP, make free use of healing surges, completely ignore damage from attacks, make additional saving throws, etc.&nbsp; Their concern is not on keeping enemies from attacking effectively, but rather on making enemies attack them (because that, in itself, is ineffective) and they often need to supplement class features with a few other powers (Come and Get It, for example) to make this happen.&nbsp; A Fighter can do this role well if they use an axe or hammer; not surprisingly, Dwarves and Dragonborn tend to be best at it.<br><br>The Punisher: This type of Defender doesn't <em>literally</em> force opponents to attack him, but rather focuses on making it so miserably expensive <em>not</em> to attack him that it simply isn't worth it.&nbsp; They concentrate on abilities that do a lot of damage to enemies, especially in punitive form for attacking others when marked or otherwise ignoring the defender.&nbsp; Obviously, they tend to need supportive powers that supplement their ability to mark/maintain marks on targets.&nbsp; The Battlemind does this almost exclusively, and Paladins can be very good at it as well.&nbsp; Fighters generally are not very good at this style of defending because their mark-punishment ability is not usually as damaging and they have fewer punitive-type exploits.&nbsp; Punishers generally want to use two-handed weapons and usually have the least defense of the defender types.&nbsp; Dragonborn, Genasi, and Tieflings make good punishers.<br><br>The Cockblocker: This type of Defender is basically a specialized form of the Offensive Lineman.&nbsp; This OL wants to control the battle-space and prevent movement on a broad scale; the Cockblocker really just wants to completely fuck up one or two enemies' day.&nbsp; The Cockblocker is nigh-inescapable once he's got his teeth into an opponent, and generally is quite good at performing all the above tasks in a one-on-one fight, he just lacks the ability to 'spread the love' as efficiently as other defenders.&nbsp; Basically, instead of trying to corral large numbers of enemies, the Cockblocker just completely takes one enemy out of the battle and renders them a non-factor.&nbsp; This is an area where Swordmages really excel since even ranged opponents can't really escape them and they have a lot of versatility in dealing with an opponent.&nbsp; Halflings make excellent Cockblockers, but only at the pub.<br><br>The Warden: Umm...&nbsp; I don't know?&nbsp; I've never played a Warden.&nbsp; They've got some interesting powers, but there's a lot about them I'll flat-out say I don't like and don't think works well for defending at all.&nbsp; I'm not really sure what you'd plan to do with one, so hopefully someone can show me and then we'll both know.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>See, that's how I thought bout them. Good explanations. ;)<br><br>@Zame: We just got your creativity flowing a little more. Whip it up in story form for me, put it down the background area, and after I take a look you can get started. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 01:23:40</strong>
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				Well, I could use some help with the background especially if I wanna start playing in the game of course.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 02:25:58</strong>
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				Do you want to use a standard paladin backstory, or something a bit more unusual?&nbsp; The "classic" paladin was such a ridiculously restricted and restrictive archetype that there really are only a few valid backgrounds for such characters, but over the editions the class has changed enough that a 4E paladin can be significantly different if you want to go that way.&nbsp; The core (as in Jungian-grade) archetypes basically boil down to:<br><br>The Knight-Errant (A knight on a holy quest, usually with limited information so that they end up exploring a lot.&nbsp; Think Lancelot searching for the Holy Grail.)<br>The Messianic Champion (A person who has been given a personal mandate by their god to sally forth and kick evil ass.&nbsp; Think Joan of Arc.)<br>The Infallible Hero (A knight who is chivalrous, virtuous, and valorous to a fault.&nbsp; Think Superman.)<br>The Destined Hero (A knight who has been chosen, despite the odds/obvious questions about why more experienced and better candidates were overlooked, to rescue a princess or save the day.&nbsp; Think Link.)<br>The Crusader (A knight who exists exclusively to fight a seemingly hopeless battle against some great, usually undying evil.&nbsp; Think Paragon-path Commander Shepard.)<br><br>A modern paladin seems to have far more variety in possible backstories, of course.&nbsp; Even so, there's some variety in the classics; for example, you could be a Tragic Crusader (as in, one who knows they are destined to die without truly succeeding in their mission, but who fights on anyway) or even a Quixotic Crusader.&nbsp; Your Knight-Errant could be a Penitent, who's taken on the mantle of the quest to try and cleanse himself of sins for which he's truly regretful, or simply an ambitious young Templar eager to prove himself to the order.&nbsp; The only one who doesn't allow much wiggle room is the Infallible Hero--the classic Gygaxian vision of the paladin--though with the way some people played it, you'd think The Preacher was an acceptable variant...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 02:48:48</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281286#msg4281286">Quote from: Hikari on 20-02-2011, 02:25:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Do you want to use a standard paladin backstory, or something a bit more unusual?&nbsp; The "classic" paladin was such a ridiculously restricted and restrictive archetype that there really are only a few valid backgrounds for such characters, but over the editions the class has changed enough that a 4E paladin can be significantly different if you want to go that way.&nbsp; The core (as in Jungian-grade) archetypes basically boil down to:<br><br>The Knight-Errant (A knight on a holy quest, usually with limited information so that they end up exploring a lot.&nbsp; Think Lancelot searching for the Holy Grail.)<br>The Messianic Champion (A person who has been given a personal mandate by their god to sally forth and kick evil ass.&nbsp; Think Joan of Arc.)<br>The Infallible Hero (A knight who is chivalrous, virtuous, and valorous to a fault.&nbsp; Think Superman.)<br>The Destined Hero (A knight who has been chosen, despite the odds/obvious questions about why more experienced and better candidates were overlooked, to rescue a princess or save the day.&nbsp; Think Link.)<br>The Crusader (A knight who exists exclusively to fight a seemingly hopeless battle against some great, usually undying evil.&nbsp; Think Paragon-path Commander Shepard.)<br><br>A modern paladin seems to have far more variety in possible backstories, of course.&nbsp; Even so, there's some variety in the classics; for example, you could be a Tragic Crusader (as in, one who knows they are destined to die without truly succeeding in their mission, but who fights on anyway) or even a Quixotic Crusader.&nbsp; Your Knight-Errant could be a Penitent, who's taken on the mantle of the quest to try and cleanse himself of sins for which he's truly regretful, or simply an ambitious young Templar eager to prove himself to the order.&nbsp; The only one who doesn't allow much wiggle room is the Infallible Hero--the classic Gygaxian vision of the paladin--though with the way some people played it, you'd think The Preacher was an acceptable variant...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I understand how those classic ideas came about, but I'm often surprised at how honesty inflexible many people perceive and enforce them to be. Even on 3.5 the paladin was one of my favorite classes, and no matter what, I always heard from everyone they were so restrictive that after two or more tries you ended up making nothing but bob the second. What I found was that it was just an extremely advanced class tailored more toward roleplaying. The only true archetype of the paladin is the knight. Honor, Courage, Valor, and justice. No matter what these are present, and even still they remain true in the 4E version. <br><br>Now it isn't the huge roleplaying class it was on 3.5, this makes it more appealing to players as a whole. The restrictions that did box it in are no longer present, and it makes it vastly easier to play. I have dozens of different Paladin ideas, and I'd be happy to list a few down below.<br><br>The Excommunicated Crusader: The trials of a knight often lead to strange decisions, and because of this you have been cast out from the general faith of your church. Despite this atrocity that would be seen as omen of dismissal from your god, the deity still grants his power upon you as a sign of his favor. To this end you crusade to do his will, without the aid or backing of the church. Questing for your place, and the reason why this happened. <br><br>Defender of the Faith: Raised as a holy warrior of the gods, you've spent your life in defense of the church that is your home. When an outside force threatens it's survival, you're forced to take the defense outside the reaches of the temple for the first time. You now stand at the forefront, searching out a great evil you know lurks in the shadows threatening not only your beliefs, but the entire land. <br><br>These are just a couple of ideas, both take from the basic perspective and add to it to make it something more in depth. The truth is, most of of the restrictive issues of the Paladin, even on 4E, are based upon the popular perception and stereotypes that have been placed upon them. The only real restriction is that they are holy warriors blessed by the gods/their god. With this aspect, you can do most anything with them, even with the code of conduct found on 3.5.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 03:05:34</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281357#msg4281357">Quote from: Black Howling on 20-02-2011, 02:48:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I understand how those classic ideas came about, but I'm often surprised at how honesty inflexible many people perceive and enforce them to be. Even on 3.5 the paladin was one of my favorite classes, and no matter what, I always heard from everyone they were so restrictive that after two or more tries you ended up making nothing but bob the second. What I found was that it was just an extremely advanced class tailored more toward roleplaying. The only true archetype of the paladin is the knight. Honor, Courage, Valor, and justice. No matter what these are present, and even still they remain true in the 4E version. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's mostly an old stigma carried over from older, more restrictive versions of the paladin (AD&amp;D 2nd, mostly) who regularly and sometimes seemingly arbitrarily lost their powers (forever) for very minor things.&nbsp; There's no longer a reason for people to pigeon-hole paladins into those same categories, but for people who <em>like</em> the "classic" paladin ideal they are somewhat preserved.&nbsp; That's the way I like it, personally: remember the way they used to be but don't force it on people unnecessarily.<br><br>A 4E paladin doesn't have to fit into any discrete archetypes, really.&nbsp; The number of options for one, like for most good classes, is "rapidly approaching infinity" or "effectively unlimited".&nbsp; I was just listing the "classic" archetypes as a starting off point to see if there's anything there he liked the sound of, since trying to list all the possible "contemporary" archetypes is almost impossible.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 03:08:51</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281408#msg4281408">Quote from: Hikari on 20-02-2011, 03:05:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's mostly an old stigma carried over from older, more restrictive versions of the paladin (AD&amp;D 2nd, mostly) who regularly and sometimes seemingly arbitrarily lost their powers (forever) for very minor things.&nbsp; There's no longer a reason for people to pigeon-hole paladins into those same categories, but for people who <em>like</em> the "classic" paladin ideal they are somewhat preserved.&nbsp; That's the way I like it, personally: remember the way they used to be but don't force it on people unnecessarily.<br><br>A 4E paladin doesn't have to fit into any discrete archetypes, really.&nbsp; The number of options for one, like for most good classes, is "rapidly approaching infinity" or "effectively unlimited".&nbsp; I was just listing the "classic" archetypes as a starting off point to see if there's anything there he liked the sound of, since trying to list all the possible "contemporary" archetypes is almost impossible.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh I know what you were meaning, it just brought me to the old idea from the AD&amp;D and 3.5 era that was mainly an issue based on their alignment restriction. I was technically agreeing with you, just expanding on it as I like to socialize. :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 03:46:56</strong>
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				I'll be working all day tomorrow and Monday, just for the record guys.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 03:58:04</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281520#msg4281520">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 20-02-2011, 03:46:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'll be working all day tomorrow and Monday, just for the record guys.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Shouldn't be too much of an issue, as long as you do not hold up the group. :P<br><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 04:00:08</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281575#msg4281575">Quote from: Black Howling on 20-02-2011, 03:58:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Shouldn't be too much of an issue, as long as you do not hold up the group. :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Mhm I might make a post tomorrow, though I'm not sure about it, I might not... &gt;.&gt;
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 04:01:17</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281588#msg4281588">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 20-02-2011, 04:00:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Mhm I might make a post tomorrow, though I'm not sure about it, I might not... &gt;.&gt;<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hehe. Default rule always applies if the show must move on. You're skipped, stalling for a lack of words or decisions. &gt;.&gt;
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 04:02:02</strong>
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				Well that's unfortunate, I still think your "militant" tactics are sexy though &gt;.&gt;
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 04:02:29</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281593#msg4281593">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 20-02-2011, 04:02:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well that's unfortunate, I still think your "militant" tactics are sexy though &gt;.&gt;<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>:P
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 04:58:28</strong>
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				Well the idea I had was that this one was from Neverwinter. And whilst there he gets bored of being part of a volunteer watchman he also wanted to actually take the fight to those whom plague the good people. As such he leaves but there was also one other reason why he left and that was because he was a bit of a black sheep for he had gone and slept with a high priest's daughter. No luck with women either. ^_^
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				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 05:28:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281782#msg4281782">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 20-02-2011, 04:58:28</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well the idea I had was that this one was from Neverwinter. And whilst there he gets bored of being part of a volunteer watchman he also wanted to actually take the fight to those whom plague the good people. As such he leaves but there was also one other reason why he left and that was because he was a bit of a black sheep for he had gone and slept with a high priest's daughter. No luck with women either. ^_^<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sounds decent. Add a little more depth to it in the plothooks background area, and expand on that basis then send it to me. Ask if you want some input, or any suggestions to spice it up. I'm a little dead headed today, but I'm always willing to help.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 05:57:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am asking indeed. :-) So feel free to give some suggestions and input
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 06:13:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				okay I'm burnt, as well as fairly satisfied with what I've written. That means I have filled in my background on my plothooks sheet, I wrote a lot more then I thought I was going to.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 07:43:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4282026#msg4282026">Quote from: ZameRagues on 20-02-2011, 06:13:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">okay I'm burnt, as well as fairly satisfied with what I've written. That means I have filled in my background on my plothooks sheet, I wrote a lot more then I thought I was going to.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Story looks awesome! It is accepted. Though I got a couple issues with your character. First, switch razorclaw shifting for elven accuracy. Next, Prime shot is your class feature, not a feat. Unless I'm making a mistake in reading, or you meant to write something else down. Tell me what is up with the feat, change it if needed, exchange the powers, hit me back to check it over, and we'll see about getting your feet wet in the IC. ^_^<br><br>PS: Was about to ask why you were using a shortsword in your off hand, but then I read story. Can't fuss over story. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 07:52:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4281987#msg4281987">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 20-02-2011, 05:57:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I am asking indeed. :-) So feel free to give some suggestions and input<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hmmm, I just noticed this after I posted. &gt;.&gt; I don't know squat about neverwinter. I mean, I know it was a popular game, but I never played it, and literally just learned it was in the waterdavian area. &lt;.&lt;<br><br>So you just need to note that anything I say here is pulled straight my arse, with no knowledge of the region. If that's cool, continue to read!!!<br><br>Lets say the watch was volunteers from the temple of Torm. Your character maybe felt it was a good deed, but perhaps below his skills that could be put to better use elsewhere in the name of your god. Though while you had thoughts of leaving, and no fealty to the high priest, you were kept there by his daughter's warmth. One night the man caught you in bed with her, and was angered by the sight. Perhaps he thought the act was a neglect of your oaths to tradition. <br><br>You refused this maybe, said it was out of love. He still held some rights over his daughter however, and so he sent her away from you so he could deal with your differences. Eventually they could not be settled, and so he exiled you from that temple for selfish reasons. Fed up with the life, and wanting renown enough to challenge his rulings in the temple, you traveled east to make a name for yourself in the marches. <br><br>Sound any good?<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 07:56:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds perfect. I like it at the very least. And also leaves a lot open.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 07:58:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4282392#msg4282392">Quote from: Black Howling on 20-02-2011, 07:43:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Story looks awesome! It is accepted. Though I got a couple issues with your character. First, switch razorclaw shifting for elven accuracy. Next, Prime shot is your class feature, not a feat. Unless I'm making a mistake in reading, or you meant to write something else down. Tell me what is up with the feat, change it if needed, exchange the powers, hit me back to check it over, and we'll see about getting your feet wet in the IC. ^_^<br><br>PS: Was about to ask why you were using a shortsword in your off hand, but then I read story. Can't fuss over story. :P<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I came up with the idea for the short sword as I was writing the background<br><br>As for reading over my feats that's my fault, I typed shot instead of strike. Same thing, but with a melee weapon instead of ranged. I have corrected it.<br><br>Also got rid of the Razorclaw Power I spaced on removing when I changed races.<br><br>Let me know if theirs any other snags in my character sheet, mean while I'm gonna post in the IC forum.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 08:08:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4282462#msg4282462">Quote from: ZameRagues on 20-02-2011, 07:58:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I came up with the idea for the short sword as I was writing the background<br><br>As for reading over my feats that's my fault, I typed shot instead of strike. Same thing, but with a melee weapon instead of ranged. I have corrected it.<br><br>Also got rid of the Razorclaw Power I spaced on removing when I changed races.<br><br>Let me know if theirs any other snags in my character sheet, mean while I'm gonna post in the IC forum.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Alright, had to search for the feat(it was in Martial Power)But it's all good. One thing, you forgot to add in the Elven accuracy encounter power, but you have it on your special abilities so it's nothing to stop you from posting in the CC thread. I just don't want you forgetting about it when it could save your bacon. <br><br>Post it up when you're ready, you're accepted fully. Get your feet wet in the IC if you want, or you can sit back until I have the wilderness area up if you'd like. It's basically going to be the wilds just outside the village, and around the river. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>20-02-2011, 08:11:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				alright, I'll add the elven power, and work on a post. I'll meet up with the group in the wilds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 01:07:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay. All done. My character is officially finished I think. I finished the corrections that I needed for my sheet
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 01:15:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4284853#msg4284853">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 21-02-2011, 01:07:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Okay. All done. My character is officially finished I think. I finished the corrections that I needed for my sheet<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yes you have, ignore my PM and post it up in the CC thread. &gt;.&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 01:18:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry to be a few seconds slower boss man. ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 01:37:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4284893#msg4284893">Quote from: Laughing Hyena on 21-02-2011, 01:18:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry to be a few seconds slower boss man. ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Answer to your PM, because I feel it needed for the others to know, yes the Tanned Tankard has small number of rooms for weary travelers. You're looking at about a dozen rooms total. The true INN in town has a little over double this, with better quality rooms. Then there is a few little old ladies that might be willing to put a traveler up for a night, given a few coppers. <br><br>The name of the INN is the River Breeze bed and breakfast.&nbsp; ^_^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Laughing Hyena</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 02:00:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thank you.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 09:42:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well a celebratory congratulations to everyone, we seem to have finally gotten all the character sheets done. As soon as Luna, Zame, and Changing post I'll make the next GM sequence act. Though I think we're soon going to need a sort of posting order, make sure these 'long rounds' in town don't get too out of control. I have several ideas, but I half just wanna make you guys roll initiative to decide the posting order. I think I might end up doing that. <br><br>Remember everyone(This includes you Lunie)to make sure and post as frequently as you can. I don't expect more then a post a day from people, especially if the person you're waiting on has yet to post. Though if we stagnate too long things will get bad. Also, please do more talking in the OOC area or your DM is soon going to die a slow and painful death from boredom. <br><br>Just thought I'd throw that last part out there for ya. ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 12:08:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4284945#msg4284945">Quote from: Black Howling on 21-02-2011, 01:37:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Then there is a few little old ladies that might be willing to put a traveler up for a night, given a few coppers. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>A few coppers.&nbsp; Riiiiiight.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 12:21:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4286615#msg4286615">Quote from: Hikari on 21-02-2011, 12:08:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A few coppers.&nbsp; Riiiiiight.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Now what is that supposed to mean?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Hikari</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 12:28:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Half-elves are known for their...&nbsp; diplomacy, right?&nbsp; I'm sure he can get a little old lady to let him use a bed for something!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 12:29:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4286641#msg4286641">Quote from: Hikari on 21-02-2011, 12:28:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Half-elves are known for their...&nbsp; diplomacy, right?&nbsp; I'm sure he can get a little old lady to let him use a bed for something!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>:P You got a point there. Why use the coin when he can use something else. Hell, he could probably talk the pretty window into it for that matter.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 14:00:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4286444#msg4286444">Quote from: Black Howling on 21-02-2011, 09:42:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well a celebratory congratulations to everyone, we seem to have finally gotten all the character sheets done. As soon as Luna, Zame, and Changing post I'll make the next GM sequence act. Though I think we're soon going to need a sort of posting order, make sure these 'long rounds' in town don't get too out of control. I have several ideas, but I half just wanna make you guys roll initiative to decide the posting order. I think I might end up doing that. <br><br>Remember everyone(This includes you Lunie)to make sure and post as frequently as you can. I don't expect more then a post a day from people, especially if the person you're waiting on has yet to post. Though if we stagnate too long things will get bad. Also, please do more talking in the OOC area or your DM is soon going to die a slow and painful death from boredom. <br><br>Just thought I'd throw that last part out there for ya. ;)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Posted :P <br><br>Sorry guys, I have another all day shift and if I get to my post then yeah...I give Howling permission to roll my inititive for me if it comes to that ^^ I did mostly a set up and left it open for Saint to do what he wanted (I hope) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>21-02-2011, 22:33:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4286755#msg4286755">Quote from: Lady Lunarius on 21-02-2011, 14:00:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Posted :P <br><br>Sorry guys, I have another all day shift and if I get to my post then yeah...I give Howling permission to roll my inititive for me if it comes to that ^^ I did mostly a set up and left it open for Saint to do what he wanted (I hope)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I understand the all day shifts, just try to get out something to make sure things move along. As far as leaving things open for Saint, he'll have to be the judge of that. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 01:46:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, I've posted. I could think of a reason to stay outside of the town, so I'm at the tavern.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 01:51:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4288880#msg4288880">Quote from: ZameRagues on 22-02-2011, 01:46:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Alright, I've posted. I could think of a reason to stay outside of the town, so I'm at the tavern.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Black Howling</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><em>Meanwhile, the scene at the graveyard grows ever solemn as the living pay their respects to the dead. Priests of Kelemvor say the rites and prayers for those who've passed while relatives sob in despair. It's then an old woman approaches behind the Elven man speaking to himself, and smiles warmly into his eyes. <br><br>"Are you here to pay your respects to the villagers that have passed?"<br><br>The Tawny Elder Elf asks in a soft voice. Her wrinkled skin shows well aged features, and blue eyes glance warmly his way as she waits patiently for a reply.</em></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So, I'm taking it you just moved by the old elf? I specifically mentioned her in the post before she spoke because with your passive perception there is no way you could have missed her, or not noticed her even while distracted.<br><br>Could you please clarify the action for me?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 02:00:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I"m sorry, I'm kinda tired. I've fixed my post, so I'm still at the graveyard.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 02:07:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4288933#msg4288933">Quote from: ZameRagues on 22-02-2011, 02:00:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I"m sorry, I'm kinda tired. I've fixed my post, so I'm still at the graveyard.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Nice post! I wasn't chiding you about it, I was just asking cause the other one sorta confused me. ^_^ Though I understand being tired. We'll see if we can't get the wheels moving quicker here soonish. &gt;.&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 13:13:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just waiting on Changing and Ershin to post now. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>22-02-2011, 19:28:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah I only have a 4 hr shift tonight, then I am off for the next 4 days XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ZameRagues</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 02:08:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				alright we've all posted in the forum, on to the next step
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 02:18:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=98195.msg4293060#msg4293060">Quote from: ZameRagues on 23-02-2011, 02:08:50</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">alright we've all posted in the forum, on to the next step<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yep, I'll be posting here soon. I'm just finishing my other obligations before hand. :) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Lady Lunarius</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 15:48:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm sometimes we just need a little patience, our gm has odd schedules at times ;) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>23-02-2011, 15:52:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Extremely odd schedules. The post will be up soon, though today/last night is QUITE busy for me. So, it may be longer then you all would like. Remember, patience is a virtue. :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 05:15:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, the next post will be made once I've had a full cup of coffee. Sorry for the lateness, just had to juggle a few things last night. &gt;.&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [D&amp;D4E] Shadows of the North (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Black Howling</strong> on <strong>24-02-2011, 09:40:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd like to make an apology to everyone involved in this game. As I said when I first started it up, I've never Dmed a play by post game. So far I'm not having much fun with it, and would really just prefer to GM a free form game. I think when&nbsp; GMing systems are involved, I should just stick to real time gaming. <br><br>Again, I apologize for wasting everyones time here. I hope you all find a GM that can manage play by post better then me, and that we can maybe meet up on another game sometime. For now, I'm locking the threads. <br><br>--Black Howling
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