Circle of Leadership (OOC)
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				Title: <strong>Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 04:07:59</strong>
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				This thread has been established for OOC tie building and general banter. Enjoy. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 04:45:53</strong>
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				Rabble rabble rabble.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 10:09:06</strong>
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				It just occurred to me to ask: what is the place like where they'll be meeting?&nbsp; Some conference room in an office somewhere?&nbsp; The back room of a nice restaurant?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 11:38:37</strong>
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				Ooo.. Well, can sin eaters and creations appear human? DO they have their own glamour or be seen by mortals? Would a genuis still count as a mortal, cause that doesn't seem too supernatural... <br><br>If not, then somewhere more private then a conference room might have to do. Like a warehouse off a pier.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 14:42:11</strong>
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				Sin-Eaters are completely mortal in appearance. Prometheans are normal except when they're channeling their Pyros to activate one of their powers, which reveals them for what they really are
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 14:51:30</strong>
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				Sorry, meant to post to this and forgot I hadn't.<br><br>Every type of supernatural appears fully normal to ordinary humans under most circumstances.&nbsp; It's not like Old World Nosferatu where they're all hideously deformed and have to hide their very sight from people.&nbsp; Even if an objective person would see a Changeling and instantly realize that they aren't human, for example, the Mien keeps them from being seen as anything but an ordinary person unless an Oath is made to let the person see the truth.<br><br>That said, all supernaturals (with the possible exception of Genius, since I don't know that system) have some way of showing the world that they aren't ordinary humans.&nbsp; It's just something that's not often done in public for obvious reasons.&nbsp; <br><br>For example, Aria has a Nimbus (which isn't listed on the sheet, but I'll describe it here) where she can effectively go into bullet time for a few moments.&nbsp; The Council has probably seen her do this at least one in an instance where she was tripped and was going to spill a cup of tea, but all the tea and her falling seemed to slow down long enough for her to catch it all back in the cup and not spill a drop.<br><br>I'd still suggest a secret place, though, if only so that we can talk about things that ordinary humans can't hear about.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 15:17:24</strong>
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				Yeah, Amusingly, Sin-Eaters are the only type of canon supernatural who have no Masquerade, Mask, Disbelief, Lunacy, or anything else to hide them or their powers from mortal eyes. Even Geniuses have a limitation where mortals who touch their super-science devices cause the devices to explode or go haywire.<br><br><br>A good question is, where does everybody's mortal identity stand in terms of social circles they move in, so we know how well acquainted we'd be outside of the Council? For a starting example, Maxwell is extremely rich from his trust fund and personal side income, so he's a regular feature in high society.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 15:22:39</strong>
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				Aria's mostly a mystery.&nbsp; She only has the one name, though her RL identity has been legally changed to it.&nbsp; She has a lot of acquaintances but not too many true friends.&nbsp; I imagine her as having a decent level of Occultation, though I'm not sure if having too many acquaintances or friends would limit that.&nbsp; Not so much that people don't remember her but that it's not really noticed that she doesn't age and that minor details seem to slip away easily.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 16:55:40</strong>
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				Well, it would be resonable to say that, given this circle of leaders, the place of meeting would constantly change to stay secret. The vampires, Werewolves, Mages, I wouldn't be surprised if they switched off between them and placed wards to make people walk away if they do happen to get too close. Where magic is involved, anywhere can be secret.<br><br>The biggest thing I'm curious of is what kind of business would the council be declaring.<br><br>As to Social Standing..<br>Blackrose currently holds an occupation as a 'hostess' to a particular kind of hotel that deals in setting lonely men with ladies available for a pleasurable night in. As the face and proprietor of these individual contract employees, she doesn't attend many social gatherings, upscale or not, unless an opera or a decent musical hits town. They always have a box reserved for her. <br><br>There could be a possibility that some of the rich darlings here might be a client of Suite Dreams....
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 17:08:32</strong>
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				For the sake of this being an open venue game here is a quick guide which I assembled for a different game about a year ago to determine exactly what other supernaturals can see and sense about each other. This was created by looking at all established rules and the spirit of each venue. <br><br>Note: All of this is for passive observations. Blatant supernatural powers are obviously noticeable, such as Protean Claws on vampires or a Werewolf going full fuzz mode. Also note, for the purposes of this roleplay I am mitigating the effects of a Promethean's Disquiet on other supernaturals, so it doesn't turn into a 'God I hate you' Party. In much the same way Supernaturals don't invoke disbelief on mage spells, supernaturals of all types are immune to lunacy, ect ect. <br><br>&nbsp;Also note a Changelings true appearance is revealed when they run out of glamour, and a Promethean's true self is revealed when they utilize any power. Also mages have their nimbus, and the Bound's cauls are perceptible to everyone. Many of their powers become visible when one can see into twilight. <br><br>Vampires Looking at:<br>Werewolves: The powers of auspex may reveal a more animal scent or an intense, vibrant aura. Blood is thick and causes rage. <br><br>Mages: The powers of Auspex when high enough to aura perceive will perceive sparkles in the aura. Blood is human. <br><br>Changelings: Auspex may reveal odd scents unique to the lost. Aura perception reveals a vibrant and twisting aura which if overplayed by the mantle. Blood causes an emotional response appropriate for the Lost's Kith and Court. <br><br>Bound: Auspex 1 allows the vampire to see those who are in twilight projection. Hence I allow Auspex 1 to catch glimpses of the Geist, but it is always out of the corner of the eye and fleeting. Blood is human although tastes slightly stale and disgusting due to the plasm in the veins. <br><br>Created: They appear mortal <br><br>Genius: Aura perception reveals the twisting mottled aura of a crazy person. Blood is human. <br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Werewolves looking at:&nbsp; (Note, scent of taint will detect all supernatural creatures)<br>Vampires: They smell dead. There is just something off about them. <br><br>Mages: They smell human<br><br>Changelings: They have a potent and unique scent to the lost. For example a Pig Man smells like a pig. This is contested by the mask with a Perception check vs the Losts Resolve + Wyrd. Because we don't use dice, streamline this to 'when appropriate' in the story.<br><br>Bound: Death Sight will reveal the Geist. Other than that they smell human unless the individual spends an extraordinary amount of time in the underworld. <br><br>Created: They smell downright wrong. Like a chemical bath on fire. Faint smells of preservatives are not uncommon. <br><br>Genius: The Wonder's will trigger Scent of Taint. Also Wonders smell off, as if not quite right with a normal machine. The Genius himself smells normal. <br><br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Mages looking at:&nbsp; (For Aura Perception see much of the vampire section)<br><br>Vampires: Death Sight will reveal they are for the most part dead. Mages can sense vampires by their general splat benefits (Mages have unseen sense EVERYTHING)<br><br>Werewolves: Life Sight will reveal they are usually in exceptional health. Spirit sight will also reveal they are off in some way. <br><br>Changelings: Fate and time sights will reveal something is off. Any Mage Sight can pierce the mask with a contested Gnosis + Arcanum vs Resolve + Wyrd. Streamline this to 'When Appropriate' for purposes of this roleplay. (Note: The Acanthus when sensing or seeing Lost feel as if that person has a connection to home)<br><br>Bound: Speak with dead will allow perception of the Geist. Death sight will simply make it seem like something is off. <br><br>Created: Prometheans do not read as alive in the strictest sense. Their holy fire glows with fallen world magic. Any mage sight may pierce the illusion around the Created with a contested Gnosis + Arcanum vs Resolve + Azoth. Streamline this to 'When Appropriate' for purposes of this roleplay. <br><br>Genius: Mind Sight reveals that something is off. Their wonders glow with a type of non-supernal magical energy. <br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Changelings looking at: (Note, if the Lost Possesses the first clause of Contracts of Spellbound Autumn, all this is unnecessary as she can recognize supernaturals on sight). Note Lost can also detect the general presence of the supernatural through Kenning. <br><br>Vampires: They appear as they would to a normal human. Vampire emotions are bland and difficult to harvest. <br><br>Werewolves: They appear as they would to a normal human being. Werewolf emotions are vibrant, and the Lost finds that Rage is the easiest to gather. <br><br>Mages: They appear as they would to a normal human being. Mage emotions are human and can be harvested. <br><br>Bound: With Shade and Spirit 1 the Geist and twilight powers may be perceived. Otherwise they appear human. Sin Eater emotions are human, but often come flavored with the taste of something else, another entities darker emotional state. <br><br>Created: They appear as they would to a normal human being. Created emotions are chaotic and jumbled, difficult to gather as their emotions flicker like the fire within them. <br><br>Genius: They appear as they would to a normal human being. Genius's have human emotions which can be harvested, but always come flavored with a little bit of madness. <br><br>-------------------------<br><br>Sin Eaters when looking at....<br><br>Vampires: Other than seeing the death stains of centuries and any possible ghosts following them, they appear normal. Certain oracles such as Primeval will reveal they smell dead, or Stillness would reveal that they are LIKE a corpse. <br><br>Werewolves: Other than seeing likely numerous death stains they appear normal. Certain Oracles can provide additional info such as scent or history. <br><br>Mages: They appear as normal humans. Certain Oracles can provide bits of more info but usually no more than what you could get off a normal person. <br><br>Changelings: They appear as normal humans. The Mask can be pierced through the powers of Oracle of Boneyard, with the Bound rolling Manifestation + Psyche vs Resolve + Wyrd. Streamline this to 'when appropriate' for the purposes of this roleplay. Note the Phantasmal Oracle is a sure fire way to always break the mask. <br><br>Created: They appear as normal humans.&nbsp; The Illusion can be pierced through the powers of Oracle of Boneyard, with the Bound rolling Manifestation + Psyche vs Resolve + Azoth. Streamline this to 'when appropriate' for the purposes of this roleplay. Note the Phantasmal Oracle is a sure fire way to always break the illusion.<br><br>Genius: Appear as normal mortals. Certain oracles may reveal more info about them or their wonders. <br><br>----------------------------------------<br><br>Created: (Note, certain transmutations can mitigate this, although they are rare and hence won't be directly mentioned until they come up. I am looking at you Refinement of Silver)<br><br>Vampires: They appear as they would to a normal person. Note enhanced senses can detect something being amiss. <br><br>Werewolves: They appear as they would to a normal person baring any extra effort through Sensorium.<br><br>Mages: They appear normal. Sensorium can provide more. <br><br>Changelings: They appear as normal individuals. To my knowledge Created have no easy way to break the mask. <br><br>Bound: Transmutations or Bestoments that allow the perception of Twilight will reveal the Geist. Otherwise they appear as normal. <br><br>Genius: They appear as normal. Note, the Wonders they create DO NOT register as pandorans. <br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Genius Looking at...<br><br>As far as I can tell barring any individual wonder Genius's are limited to human perceptions, and hence the base rules of humans with supernaturals apply in here in regards to perception.&nbsp; <br><br><br><br><br><br>NOTE: As to gathering place. I want you guys to decide that. My only suggestion would be either 1 neutral location in the city center, or having the location shift, with a different supernatural group hosting it each time. <br><br><br><br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 17:23:27</strong>
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				Oh sweety, this was incredibly awesome.. And helpful. ^_^ I think I will love the flavor of a Genius. Too bad it's a girl, I might have licked that bowl clean.&nbsp; :: Giggles mirthfully.::
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 18:05:20</strong>
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				helloo my lovelys I always offer tea and other delights in ooc...<br>But should I put my charater sheet here?<br>She is mostly done<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>07-07-2012, 18:13:53</strong>
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				Put it here, Senti<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145265.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145265.0)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 04:29:25</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6551191#msg6551191">Quote from: Oreida Wesker on 07-07-2012, 11:38:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ooo.. Well, can sin eaters and creations appear human? DO they have their own glamour or be seen by mortals? Would a genuis still count as a mortal, cause that doesn't seem too supernatural... <br><br>If not, then somewhere more private then a conference room might have to do. Like a warehouse off a pier.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;A Genius is as Supernatural as a Mage.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6551800#msg6551800">Quote from: Oreida Wesker on 07-07-2012, 17:23:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Oh sweety, this was incredibly awesome.. And helpful. ^_^ I think I will love the flavor of a Genius. Too bad it's a girl, I might have licked that bowl clean.&nbsp; :: Giggles mirthfully.::<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;Please no emotion-eating Tes. Really, it's ill advised. How do Changelings react when dealing with someone with depression?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 04:39:26</strong>
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				I don't think it's actually spelled out, but I could easily see a Winter Court fae hanging around an awful lot with clinically depressed people in order to feed on their sorrow.&nbsp; According to page 89 of the Changeling book, though, it doesn't actually drain energy; mortals don't feel less emotional.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 05:33:29</strong>
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				Where does our resident Vampire sit on the Humanity scale? If he's interacting with mortals on a regular basis, I'm presuming pretty high or at least average.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 06:38:00</strong>
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				Although if you look into the Rites of Spring book it talks about how with strong emotions the Changeling becomes overloaded with the emotion. They feel it pulsing through them like lightning as they drown within that emotion. Feeding from the truly depressed would be like drowning in sorrow. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 08:02:55</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Where does our resident Vampire sit on the Humanity scale? If he's interacting with mortals on a regular basis, I'm presuming pretty high or at least average.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I will typically hover him somewhere between Humanity 5 and 6. Enough to where he doesn't go out slaughtering people in the streets, but not so much where he really has a problem killing a person. He does consider himself the superior race, though understands the need to uphold the Masquerade to protect himself and his city.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 08:35:47</strong>
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				&nbsp;Hmm... Maybe a quick description of how each council member views the others?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 08:40:41</strong>
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				Not a bad idea as it would set a precedence of behavior toward each other. I will let you guys decide to make those public or not at your discretion. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 08:51:58</strong>
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				I thought we included this in our profile? Granted that was more of a 'how they feel about the council' in the broader sense. Honestly I don't want to decide how I feel about individual council members yet without any role-play involved.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 08:55:25</strong>
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				&nbsp;I was thinking more of a first impressions sort of thing...<br><br>&nbsp;But I suppose that can be worked out when the IC finally goes up.
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				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 09:01:29</strong>
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				Actually that brings up a good point Shadow.<br><br>Are we assuming the group of us have been Council members, working with/against each other for quite some time? If that's the case then ya, I could see the benefit of having pre-determined opinions.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 09:03:27</strong>
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				&nbsp;I was assuming the Council has had at least one meeting. But if we haven't had a meeting yet, then yeah ignore my suggestion.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 09:51:06</strong>
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				&nbsp;One thing I guess I should note is that Tes has a 10 story building that serves as both her lab and her home. Needless to say, the building has unused bedrooms in case of guests.<br><br>&nbsp;So if anyone needs a place to stay, Tes isn't likely to turn them down.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:20:20</strong>
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				Well the smelly doggie is up, and I somehow imagine meetings wont happen in her Vdub camper van.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:24:24</strong>
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				&nbsp;Give Tes a day or so and that van will be able to fly and shoot lightning bolts ^^'<br><br>&nbsp;You might be missing all the rest of your electronics though. Yes, even your toys.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:30:12</strong>
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				No No No not the Mystery Machine, (actually its violet with Ribina berries up the side)<br><br>Also try and get past the dogs. The spaniel is the scariest :P
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:39:33</strong>
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				&nbsp;Which is why Tes has concussive blast gloves ^^<br><br>&nbsp;If you've ever read Girl Genius (which you should, it is a very awesome webcomic), Genius takes heavy inspiration from the Sparks. Including random acts of mad science.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:50:31</strong>
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				I will have a look.<br><br>Just leave the van alone :)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 10:58:04</strong>
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				Fine....<br><br>&nbsp;Though, I suppose Tes turning Peggy's cell phone and favorite vibrator into a raygun is out as well...
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 11:19:25</strong>
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				leave the vibrator...the phone is fine.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 15:11:57</strong>
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				::Feigns naivety:: A 'vibrator'...&nbsp; Is that not what the cellular phone does upon adjusting settings to silent?&nbsp; <br><br>Hmm. WHom else would the changeling be known to.. I figure a werewolf may be an appropriate associate. Beast and nature would roll together quite well...<br><br>I love the idea of impressions about the other races and council leaders.. How lovely..
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 15:16:15</strong>
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				Aria's an Acanthus, the mages of Arcadia, so it stands to reason that she'd get along about as well with Changelings as each type gets along with their own.&nbsp; Or at least reasonably close to within that degree.&nbsp; Acanthi tend to have an "amiable anarchy" towards each other.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 16:04:58</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6555700#msg6555700">Quote from: Red Lobster on 08-07-2012, 08:02:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I will typically hover him somewhere between Humanity 5 and 6. Enough to where he doesn't go out slaughtering people in the streets, but not so much where he really has a problem killing a person. He does consider himself the superior race, though understands the need to uphold the Masquerade to protect himself and his city.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, Manslaughter is Rank 4, isn't it? and Murder Rank 3?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 16:30:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think that applies more to being a murderer who enjoys doing it. Honestly I could be wrong, but that's about how I'm going to play him since we aren't being hardcore about character sheets.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 16:37:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				true, we don't need to be hardcore about it. But Manslaughter is definitely a level 4 sin, so if you have no qualms whatsoever about killing people, you'd have to be below that to avoid checking Humanity every time you killed someone by accident. You don't have to enjoy it, but that's the threshold at which you stop caring. Humanity 2 is the point where you stop caring about premediated murder.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 16:38:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Purely by RAW, it applies to being willing to do the act, regardless of justification.&nbsp; However, given that there's a buttload of issues all around with nWoD, I'd rather just let people play their characters in the spirit of the game if we're going to freeform this.&nbsp; I know I wouldn't have joined in if it was going to be by the rules.<br><br>It's a lot more fun to play a vampire who's a sociopath but still capable of pretending to be human, as opposed to being forced to only have 4 or 5 dice in a lot of social pools when the rules can get you up to 12 or 13 easy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 16:54:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I agree with Andy. I'd like to be able to play the character I have in my head without having all of he lack of humanity deformities and derangements
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 17:23:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Has anyone also heard from Darkling? the sweet heart is the only one whom has yet to post his character..<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 17:57:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I Pm'd Darkling and await a reply. As to the whole humanity thing. As this is freeform I am allowing the player to do what is thematically appropriate for the game. That said, certain mortal NPC's will be wigged out a bit but its nothing a smooth vamp cannot get around, its more for story than anything else. <br><br>Also its that very rule why I love playing Ordo Dracul with Coil of Soul up high enough to remove the cap. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 17:59:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I often tell the joke that even though vampires are the most social, their penalties mean that werewolves and mages have a much easier time of out-socializing them without the use of powers.&nbsp; Werewolves going into frenzy at either dealing or being dealt an exceptional success of damage makes them the worst at physical, and I forget what the one was for mages but I think it had something to do with how everything is so secret that most of them never have enough info to go on.<br><br>But yeah, I can whine for weeks about what a piece of crap the system is if it's not beaten into submission by a talented ST.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ChaoticSky</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:15:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				BAH sorry all, I lost internet for... hell, like a week or something, But im back now, i should get it up today.<br><br>Incidentally, I play alot of mixed games, so i have a few things to add;<br><br>In regards to prometheans:<br>the glamour that protects a promethean's true form is a very iffy thing. People often call it the opposite of a changelings - that is, where the fey rape victim's cover is almost impenetrable, prometheans is extremely unreliable, it flickers when you use your powers, when you are stressed, or just at random (often at the worst possible moment) its very much subject to Murphy. Argo, any ability that could penetrate it with a roll, for the sake of this game, is probably more 'correct' to assume that it&nbsp; just passes all the time.<br><br>Additionally, any sense based effect (super sight, smell, ect) will read the promethean as 'human but off'.<br><br>Finally, Promethean blood is a kind of eletriochemical pseudo-blood, which tastes aweful (extremely acidic) and you need to drink 2x the amount per point of vitae<br><br><br><br>(also, acanthus and changelings get along great.... untill Arcadia comes up... then the mage gets Really Interested and the changeling gets Really Freaked Out.&nbsp; :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:29:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes. Blackrose already wants to go streaking in the forrest with the werewolf under a new or full moon, take the vampire to the opera for necking, figure out how to drive a car with the Genius, try and convince the Created to be a courtyard ornament for a few hours to discuss what they can 'feel' by proddding them physically and figuratively, enguage the Bound with a wide eye fascination at their ethereal ghostly loveliness, and probe the mage about what kind of domain it's magic covers... That is if all goes well.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:46:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Streaking throught the forest is great for the werewolf Peg does it anyway. :)<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:47:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Andyz: See, I learned the entire system in the MET setting, which means I never really dicked around much with exceptional successes or failures. And I do see your frustrations, and hope to be able to balance everything to make it a positive roleplay experience. That said, I do prefer NWOD to OWOD in many many ways myself, simply favoring the stylistic choices and story options of NWOD<br><br>Darling: No trouble, and thanks for the clarification. It has been far too long since I ran anything related to Created (Curse you Minds Eye Society for not sanctioning it for a larp... never mind that it doesn't work as a larp in the least I still demand it! Rabble rabble rabble. But I digress.)<br><br>Oreida: Sounds fun, want to see it played out as this progresses<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:58:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Downfall, you now know the first thoughts that I had when I saw the name of the game, and I almost didn't look it over at all.&nbsp; I'm glad I did, though.&nbsp; I saw a lot of potential for using the game in spirit without being bound by some of the craptacular rules.<br><br>My trust and acceptance of your abilities is clearly revealed in that I made you a character and will be playing in this game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 18:59:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6557052#msg6557052">Quote from: Downfall347 on 08-07-2012, 18:47:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Andyz: See, I learned the entire system in the MET setting, which means I never really dicked around much with exceptional successes or failures. And I do see your frustrations, and hope to be able to balance everything to make it a positive roleplay experience. That said, I do prefer NWOD to OWOD in many many ways myself, simply favoring the stylistic choices and story options of NWOD<br><br>Darling: No trouble, and thanks for the clarification. It has been far too long since I ran anything related to Created (Curse you Minds Eye Society for not sanctioning it for a larp... never mind that it doesn't work as a larp in the least I still demand it! Rabble rabble rabble. But I digress.)<br><br>Oreida: Sounds fun, want to see it played out as this progresses<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Preach, it, brotha. Honestly, though, I'm more upset for Geist not being done right in MES than Promethean. When the Four Winds Domain can't find a storyteller to run a Geist venue, you know it's either unworkable as a LARP or just incredibly unpopular.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 21:31:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6557007#msg6557007">Quote from: Oreida Wesker on 08-07-2012, 18:29:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes. Blackrose already wants to go streaking in the forrest with the werewolf under a new or full moon, take the vampire to the opera for necking, figure out how to drive a car with the Genius, try and convince the Created to be a courtyard ornament for a few hours to discuss what they can 'feel' by proddding them physically and figuratively, enguage the Bound with a wide eye fascination at their ethereal ghostly loveliness, and probe the mage about what kind of domain it's magic covers... That is if all goes well. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;Figure out how to drive a car? Pfff.... Tes has some toys she wants to test but needs someone to play lab rat, because Aria keeps refusing. Guess who just volunteered to be strapped to a lab table? ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 22:22:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6557007#msg6557007">Quote from: Oreida Wesker on 08-07-2012, 18:29:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yes. Blackrose already wants to go streaking in the forrest with the werewolf under a new or full moon, take the vampire to the opera for necking, figure out how to drive a car with the Genius, try and convince the Created to be a courtyard ornament for a few hours to discuss what they can 'feel' by proddding them physically and figuratively, enguage the Bound with a wide eye fascination at their ethereal ghostly loveliness, and probe the mage about what kind of domain it's magic covers... That is if all goes well. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Maxwell is squat and kind of lumpy, with a badly healed nose. 'Ethereal Ghostly loveliness' is a bit far off the mark, and that's not even getting to his Geist (who no one can see except himself anyways). ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 22:38:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In my opinion Geist is perfectly workable as a Larp (Our domain has had a game going which I have run since Geist was sanctioned and is running 20 strong), the problem is that like with any game it falls apart without proper respect for story. So many people, ST's included, pick up a book and look at the powers first when the thematic qualities of the game and the story are what is key. Mechanics should serve to act as the construct inside of which story is constructed, not story serving as a slab of messy paint over some mechanical monstrosity. I am sorry 4 winds is having so much trouble. If I had more time on my hands (and open position slots) I would totally jump at the chance. But as it stands I am VST Sin Eaters in my domain, ADST city development, and aarst Geist Rules &gt; &lt; Gets difficult to find more time. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>08-07-2012, 23:26:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I don't feel sorry for 4 winds at all, it's the Mos Eisley of the MES. ;D<br><br>If you have a working Geist venue in your area, I envy you huge. I loved my Geist character (hence why he's here), but no one else in the domain cared about the game enough to play or run it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 01:41:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Rose would find it lovely. And what does the first contract about changlings say?..
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 02:28:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;First contract?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 09:48:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Perhaps I read the wording wrong on the perspectives the changling would be able to see in reference to the bound.&nbsp; Though she does have a very twisted sense of what is beautiful. The corpse maiden Darkling made would easily have her attention. Very pretty... 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 14:30:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In regards to the Bound a Changeling will be able to perceive the Bound's Geist (His ghostly other half) and their twilight based powers if they have the first dot of Contracts of Shade and Spirit. Is that what you are referring to?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 14:36:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes. Should I pm you her rped backstory a little.. THough either way, I think she would have fun proding at the stout bloke.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 16:31:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Are we still waiting on character sheets to be posted before we can start?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 19:39:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, they're all there now. Down spoke that he would be starting a thread soon. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>09-07-2012, 21:39:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am currently writing up some 'State of affairs' PM's for everyone, as each of you will have bits of info coming in that the others do not. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>10-07-2012, 07:45:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;I look forward to it!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 02:45:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, state of affairs PM's Sent, if anyone did not receive one let me know please. <br><br>Now, was any decision made as to a gathering place. Would you all prefer to meet at a neutral location or change hosts with each meeting, keeping the location moving? Sound off a vote. <br><br>Also we are getting ready to start so any last reservations now is the time. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 02:46:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;I'm fine either way, or&nbsp; those of us who are Supernaturals With Money can fund the construction of a secure meeting location.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 02:47:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aria has no objection if one of the rich people wants to hold the meeting in a secure location, or if they want to trade off holding it in various places.&nbsp; She won't offer to host it in any place of hers, though, unless people really want her to (which seems unlikely).&nbsp; If everyone wants a neutral location, that's fine too.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BruceTheCat</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 02:50:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Neutral territory would probably make more sense.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 03:13:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I can probably spare one of my penthouses with a conference room, if we can't find anything else.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 03:19:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, there seems to be a greater calling for neutral turf. So toward that end lets say that a single city block in the exact city center (Near Addison Avenue) has been deemed neutral territory. There is an thirty story office building owned by mortals, with the upper conference rooms rented out to the council for their 'Board Meetings'. Between all of you I am sure you could set this up. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>11-07-2012, 03:25:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Sounds fine to me.<br><br>&nbsp;I'm still finishing up Tes's sheet, but she'll have at least one Beholden who doubles as her security and personal aide.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>12-07-2012, 04:45:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Opening post made. Just a little bit of setting details and mood setting. Feel free to begin!<br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145861.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145861.0)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>12-07-2012, 08:23:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Wow, I didn't actually intend for the post to be that long...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>13-07-2012, 02:11:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Are we supposed to have known each other for a while?&nbsp; I'm okay with Senti's character being brand new if that's what she wants.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>13-07-2012, 02:26:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Her being new would work as lets face it the werewolf before likely died in a hail of blood and guts.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>13-07-2012, 03:09:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am fine with that
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-07-2012, 04:14:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Blood and guts and glory, as all werewolves should.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 14:08:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Damn, I waffle you peeps. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 17:18:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Um.... what?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 17:45:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Turquoise bicycle shoes actualize radishly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 17:54:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Damnit Glyph, no talking like Elan's chaotic aligned conscious....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 18:17:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				001010100110101001<br>000101010110101010<br>101001001010101011....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>18-07-2012, 18:20:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Not... helping...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 07:51:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*pokes the thread with a stick*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 08:31:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was just preparing to post. Is everyone still interested in continuing as we seem to be dead in the water. I should have spoken up sooner but ya know, work is hell and such. <br><br>So whats the word guys?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 08:33:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still here
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 08:34:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=145299.msg6631923#msg6631923">Quote from: Downfall347 on 22-07-2012, 08:31:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I was just preparing to post. Is everyone still interested in continuing as we seem to be dead in the water. I should have spoken up sooner but ya know, work is hell and such. <br><br>So whats the word guys?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>&nbsp;Still here.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 14:09:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still here
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 15:10:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still here. We're missing our vampire and Promethean in character.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 17:28:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, lets try to poke them, and if they don't reply soonish we can move forward with the meeting with the assumption that their characters are late to the party. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Oreida Wesker</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 23:18:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm here. -flails- Red Lobster has a lot of work he's doing right now, he even had to drop form his own game for the time being. Poor dear. So I suppose if we could get a NPC representative for vampires til he returns, that would work. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>22-07-2012, 23:20:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It'd be just like to him send a ghoul flunkie or something anyways...and the Prommy just decided not to show up for whatever reason.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>29-07-2012, 18:33:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This thread needs a jump.&nbsp; Where are the defibrillators?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>29-07-2012, 23:35:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Was just thinking that. Given the lack of response from our two other players would you guys be alright with moving forward with the meeting IC? Its all too plausible that events conspired to keep their characters from showing tonight, or making them late. Feel free to move the meeting along guys. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>29-07-2012, 23:37:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;I think we should be moving on. Holding things up too long kills interest.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>29-07-2012, 23:41:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I say continue.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-07-2012, 01:09:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				forward march!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>31-07-2012, 14:31:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I am good
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>13-08-2012, 07:07:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Is this game dead?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>13-08-2012, 09:26:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I must post...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>13-08-2012, 09:52:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;Please do. Before Tes starts doing experments on Aria to alleviate her boredom.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Senti</strong> on <strong>13-08-2012, 10:57:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I should get something up today.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>15-08-2012, 06:25:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Downfall, are you still around?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>15-08-2012, 06:57:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes, I am working up a large collection of posts and plot details once you guys have had more time to chat... I dont want to berate you guys with stuff right off the bat... I know its moving kinda slow. Sorry about that everyone
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>15-08-2012, 06:58:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, just wanted to make sure you were still here ^_^<br><br>I've been in games where the ST vanished early on and we eventually all got bored.&nbsp; I'm not bored yet but wanted to make sure that wouldn't happen this time.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Downfall347</strong> on <strong>15-08-2012, 07:00:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nope, when I make a game I tend to commit to it pretty hard. As long as there is interest I will be here<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>AndyZ</strong> on <strong>15-08-2012, 07:03:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Excellent ^_^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ShadowFox89</strong> on <strong>20-08-2012, 05:45:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				&nbsp;I think we need to move on &gt;.&gt;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Circle of Leadership (OOC)</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-08-2012, 05:46:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				eah, i keep forgetting to post IC. Sorry.
			</dd>
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