[Project Blackguard] OOC
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				Title: <strong>[Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 01:46:39</strong>
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				OOC chatter goes here.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:00:35</strong>
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				Chatter chatter chat.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:10:34</strong>
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				Well, my character sheet's posted.&nbsp; I still need to figure out what I'm going to do for my cohort, though.&nbsp; Beguilers get +0 LA, so I can go through with having one and pretending it's my familiar, but I still haven't settled on a good build for it.<br><br>Some variety of Psion, I'm thinking a Nomad, Seer, or Shaper, but then I've got no idea what to do for prestige classes...
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:46:48</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=158984.msg7374407#msg7374407">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 02:39:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm. I don't know. Let me crunch some numbers to see which is more efficient at XP-per-victim.<br><br>Also, revise my estimate upward, it'll be 21% of market price, Extract Demonic Essence only affects the XP cost of crafting. Probably better that way, since it means I won't have to throw away 10% of my output due to demon-tainted curses.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well pain extraction i think is just a flat number, while sacrifice is based on a knowledge religion check. I know Tristeria intends to use sacrifices even for non item crafting purposes. If the pain extractor can fit many people though it might work better than sacrifices since sacrifice is limited to once per day (Multiple sacrifices just mean multiple checks taking the highest one). Of course we can always combine them, just have your guy sit in as the celebrant for one of Tristeria's rituals&nbsp; while the pain pit is flowing. <br><br>ERMAGHERD THE OOC THREAT YAAAY
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:47:31</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374188#msg7374188">Quote from: Kunoichi on 13-12-2012, 02:10:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, my character sheet's posted.&nbsp; I still need to figure out what I'm going to do for my cohort, though.&nbsp; Beguilers get +0 LA, so I can go through with having one and pretending it's my familiar, but I still haven't settled on a good build for it.<br><br>Some variety of Psion, I'm thinking a Nomad, Seer, or Shaper, but then I've got no idea what to do for prestige classes...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Psion 20 is a perfectly valid build, and if you want to supplement the party best I suggest Nomad. Transportation power is nice. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:56:25</strong>
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				Indeed.<br><br>So, from the other thread:<br>Sacrifices are more efficient in the victims/time-to-XP ratio.<br>-An average 1HD believer with Con 10 will produce 30XP worth of liquid pain before dying, at a rate of 3/day<br>-An average 1HD believer sacrificed with all practical bonuses will produce a lot more, probably 100/day or so.<br><br>The problem is that anything fueled with Dark Craft Experience will permanently detect as evil. That makes them giant glowing liabilities if we're trying to infiltrate anyone or anything. Liquid pain is slower, but leaves no traces behind on the items it gets used in.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 02:58:47</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374525#msg7374525">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 02:56:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Indeed.<br><br>So, from the other thread:<br>Sacrifices are more efficient in the victims/time-to-XP ratio.<br>-An average 1HD believer with Con 10 will produce 30XP worth of liquid pain before dying, at a rate of 3/day<br>-An average 1HD believer sacrificed with all practical bonuses will produce a lot more, probably 100/day or so.<br><br>The problem is that anything fueled with Dark Craft Experience will permanently detect as evil. That makes them giant glowing liabilities if we're trying to infiltrate anyone or anything. Liquid pain is slower, but leaves no traces behind on the items it gets used in.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>So perhaps use the sacrifices, but sparingly (and note what items will resonate evil). The fact that we are corrupting paladins requires a little finesse. <br><br>So one item I'm dying to get for Tristeria (as Kunoichi knows I love from our drow game) is Belt of the Dread Emperor. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:10:23</strong>
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				...I can't believe im actually considering that damn elder evil thing so I can get Landlord and Improved familiar and we can start working on our killer castle of horrors. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:12:33</strong>
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				Sure, but why take chances? Anything we keep at home in our stronghold I can fuel with Dark Craft XP/GP (for example, Pain Extractors), but I don't really need that much XP with all the reductions I've accumulated. <br><br>The most expensive item I'll be making in any quantity is +6 stat-boosters. They'll consume 288 XP to make, take 27 days, and I can build 2 at a time with a homunculus, so as long as I'm producing at least 22 XP/day via pain extraction (8 extractors running around the clock), I'll be building a small surplus faster than I can spend it. <br><br>Sacrifices will be reserved for things I don't care about the evil auras, like +5 stat-boosting tomes.<br><br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374609#msg7374609">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 13-12-2012, 03:10:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">...I can't believe im actually considering that damn elder evil thing so I can get Landlord and Improved familiar and we can start working on our killer castle of horrors. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hehehe.<br>
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:14:52</strong>
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				If I do it's between Shub-Nigurath and Azathoth (Ragnora and Atropus)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:18:03</strong>
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				I was going to suggest Sertrous, actually. He's the puniest of the lot, and the only one who doesn't cause total global annihilation if he reaches full strength. We are working for an organization, after all, and it'll probably show up on our performance reviews if we wipe out the planets our clients live on.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:22:24</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374659#msg7374659">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 03:18:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I was going to suggest Sertrous, actually. He's the puniest of the lot, and the only one who doesn't cause total global annihilation if he reaches full strength. We are working for an organization, after all, and it'll probably show up on our performance reviews if we wipe out the planets our clients live on.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yes but he sucks! I don't want to admire something that sucks, plus it works out for the best if none of them ever show up. If it does show up and I end up fighting it do I lose my feats?<br><br>What about former elder evil worshiper? Bitch got 8 hit dice and left that shit!
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:28:40</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Elder evils do not attract many mortal servants, for their<br>nature is opposed to all living things. A few wretches who<br>despise everything, whether they be nihilists or lunatics, do<br>bow to an elder evil. Annihilation is the only reward for such<br>service. But for those driven by insanity, an unquenchable<br>thirst for vengeance, or myriad other strange and sinister<br>motivations, the utter finality of death is sweet. Aiding<br>an elder evil is the surest means of embracing that muchdesired<br>end.<br>Any intelligent and evil creature can swear service to an<br>elder evil if the creature knows of its existence. Doing so<br>grants the creature one bonus feat, plus an extra bonus feat<br>for every fi ve character levels or Hit Dice. These bonus feats<br>must be selected from among the vile feats given in the<br>accompanying table. Elder evils do not grant spells.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'd presume that renouncing your service would revoke the benefits, but no one says we have to put any serious effort into aiding our Elder Evil patron. If we're just really lazy about it, but still technically contributing, we still count as worshippers (yay for Gm-sanctioned in-character metagaming). Additionally, Sertrous has the benefit that he's not anathemic to the divine, meaning we can still use clerics and we're less likely to get the gods on our ass for a reason completely unrelated to our real evil plot.<br><br>Also, remember that pledging only gives Vile or Deformity feats. To convert them into general feats, you have to shell out for a Embrace The Dark Chaos/Shun The Dark Chaos loop.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:31:28</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374731#msg7374731">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 03:28:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'd presume that renouncing your service would revoke the benefits, but no one says we have to put any serious effort into aiding our Elder Evil patron. If we're just really lazy about it, but still technically contributing, we still count as worshippers. Additionally, Sertrous has the benefit that he's not anathemic to the divine, meaning we can still use clerics and we're less likely to get the gods on our ass for a reason completely unrelated to our real evil plot.<br><br>Also, remember that pledging only gives Vile or Deformity feats. To convert them into general feats, you have to shell out for a Embrace The Dark Chaos/Shun The Dark Chaos loop.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Gah im just trying to fit in Landlord, I cant even say "Well I don't need a familiar ill just get landlord" (the only reason im set on one is imbue with spell ability - A rod of quicken magic will make up for losing that) because the only slot I can free up is level 1. Unless im mistaken and can have A feast Unknown at level 1. Ill go check
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:35:46</strong>
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				MUAHAHA PROBLEM SOLVED! A feast unknown just required that I eat people, no level matters. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:40:34</strong>
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				Good...cause like I said previously, I loathe the Dark Chaos Shuffle and consider it extremely cheesy, but if it was on the table as an option, I'd also be a fool not to take advantage of it.
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				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:44:02</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374851#msg7374851">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 03:40:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Good...cause like I said previously, I loathe the Dark Chaos Shuffle and consider it extremely cheesy, but if it was on the table as an option, I'd also be a fool not to take advantage of it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I really didn't want to try and open that can of worms either.&nbsp; We all get 100,000 to spend on the DOOMCASTLE we need a morgue of preservation for sure.... Even though most of my spawn don't suffer from decay (and most aren't even truly undead)
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:46:19</strong>
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				Hmm.&nbsp; Come to think of it, I forgot to work Landlord into my build. ^^; I suppose I could save Ability Focus (Charm Monster) for after the second milestone...
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:48:43</strong>
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				600,000 total, to start with, and it'll ramp up every milestone we hit. That's one heck of a doomcastle, especially with all the resources we can bring to bear on reducing its cost as well. Every cohort who can spare a feat slot on Landlord means even more money.<br><br>Once everyone had their characters, I was going to start taking suggestions/requests on Stronghold Elements people wanted for our initial Base of Operations, set us up as minimalist as we can get away with, and start stockpiling cash to build the Doomcastle of all Doomcastles for the Final Showdown.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:52:30</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374913#msg7374913">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 03:48:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">600,000 total, to start with, and it'll ramp up every milestone we hit. That's one heck of a doomcastle, especially with all the resources we can bring to bear on reducing its cost as well. Every cohort who can spare a feat slot on Landlord means even more money.<br><br>Once everyone had their characters, I was going to start taking suggestions/requests on Stronghold Elements people wanted for our initial Base of Operations, set us up as minimalist as we can get away with, and start stockpiling cash to build the Doomcastle of all Doomcastles for the Final Showdown.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well the 600k is assuming everyone actually gets Landlord.&nbsp; IIRC in order for our Craft bunnies to make metamagic rods they actually need the metamagic feat that applies to the rod?
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:55:32</strong>
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				Yup.<br><br>I'm considering trying to work out a way to fit 2 Chameleon levels into my craftbunny, so he gets a free rotating feat to spend on whatever he's crafting at the time.
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 03:57:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7374978#msg7374978">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 03:55:32</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yup.<br><br>I'm considering trying to work out a way to fit 2 Chameleon levels into my craftbunny, so he gets a free rotating feat to spend on whatever he's crafting at the time.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Pdychic reformation is more expensive, but workable if used sparingly.&nbsp; My decision is whether or not to go 3 into cannith wand adept. 
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:04:09</strong>
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				The problem with Psychic Reformation is that it costs XP, and we're not tracking XP totals, only milestones. So unless Autocad has a workaround, there's no way to effectively use it.
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				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:07:03</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375049#msg7375049">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 04:04:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The problem with Psychic Reformation is that it costs XP, and we're not tracking XP totals, only milestones. So unless Autocad has a workaround, there's no way to effectively use it.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well we have to have some way to use Xp cost spells. I say dark craft xp makes the best way in that case. 
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:08:48</strong>
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				That would make sense, but it would be a houserule. Since Autocad shows up so infrequently right now, I'm trying to minimize the number of things he needs to make rulings/changes on during chargen. 
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				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:17:05</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375089#msg7375089">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 04:08:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That would make sense, but it would be a houserule. Since Autocad shows up so infrequently right now, I'm trying to minimize the number of things he needs to make rulings/changes on during chargen.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>After chargen of course ^_~
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:19:49</strong>
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				But I don't want to count on it while I'm chargenning my cohort.<br><br>On that note....my Unseelie Fey Cohort has:<br>http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3822430/ (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3822430/) <strong>USELESS</strong><br>http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3822433/ (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3822433/) <strong>BUTTERFLY WINGS</strong><br><br>So much for being intimidating.
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				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:21:37</strong>
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				Ah, but we don't really <em>want</em> to be seen as intimidating for most of the game, now do we? ;)
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:23:15</strong>
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				Yeah, but this guy is supposed to be my enforcer, my big scary brute, my hulking ghoulish warrior with blood oozing from his claws and lumps of half-digested flesh lodged between his serrated teeth, clad in armor&nbsp; and surrounded by an aura of pure unrelenting doom.<br><br>And he has butterfly wings that he can't even use to fly with. Maybe I can get a free aura of Tasha's Hideous Laughter against any enemies within LOS?
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				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:23:32</strong>
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				A first level illusion spell fixes that. 
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				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:24:21</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375185#msg7375185">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 04:23:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, but this guy is supposed to be my enforcer, my big scary brute, my hulking ghoulish warrior with blood oozing from his claws and lumps of half-digested flesh lodged between his serrated teeth, clad in armor&nbsp; and surrounded by an aura of pure unrelenting doom.<br><br>And he has butterfly wings that he can't even use to fly with. Maybe I can get a free aura of Tasha's Hideous Laughter against any enemies within LOS?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Id say that you should just drop the vestigal butterfly wings, I see no reason for any insistance that you keep them. 
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				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:25:34</strong>
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				That's just begging for it to get dispelled at the most hilariously inconvenient time ever, though.<br><br>I just realized the Wings option lets you 'Choose or roll randomly'. I'm not certain if I should keep this for the hilarity value or override it and just pick functional and cool wings.
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				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:29:37</strong>
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				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375201#msg7375201">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 04:25:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">That's just begging for it to get dispelled at the most hilariously inconvenient time ever, though.<br><br>I just realized the Wings option lets you 'Choose or roll randomly'. I'm not certain if I should keep this for the hilarity value or override it and just pick functional and cool wings.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well id say if nothing else a roll you don't like should be able to be ignored in favor of "nothing"
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 04:31:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm going to say 'Nothing' for the time being then, since Autocad still needs to tell us what Unseelie Fey's actual level adjustment is.<br><br>And I'm glad we were talking about Chaos Shuffling earlier...Shun the Dark Chaos can go die in a fire, but I'm spending a chunk of this guy's wealth to buy a few Embrace the Dark Chaos castings to trade away his redundant Martial Weapon Proficiency feats for actual Abyssal Heritor feats. It'll cost him almost all his wealth at 2450 GP/casting, and him only having 16,000 to spend total, but a nice bonus, and it's a decent in-character explanation for how I got his services (he's broke and has no stuff).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:01:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375260#msg7375260">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 04:31:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm going to say 'Nothing' for the time being then, since Autocad still needs to tell us what Unseelie Fey's actual level adjustment is.<br><br>And I'm glad we were talking about Chaos Shuffling earlier...Shun the Dark Chaos can go die in a fire, but I'm spending a chunk of this guy's wealth to buy a few Embrace the Dark Chaos castings to trade away his redundant Martial Weapon Proficiency feats for actual Abyssal Heritor feats. It'll cost him almost all his wealth at 2450 GP/casting, and him only having 16,000 to spend total, but a nice bonus, and it's a decent in-character explanation for how I got his services (he's broke and has no stuff).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Who/What is this guy exactly?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:06:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Blackrot the Gravetouched Champion (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=482932). A greedy, powerhungry elf who was cast out for making deals with demons and dark gods, eventually reduced to killing and cannibalizing his victims for food. Got sick and died, reborn as a powerful ghoul. Wears leather armor made from the cured hides of people he murders (and eats).<br><br><br>My other cohort's name will be Steve.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:28:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I wonder if I can find a slaymate somewhere. I'd be a very abusive surrogate parent. <br><br>"Shut up you little pest. No wonder your parents murdered you when you wont sit still!"
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:32:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm sure I can arrange to make one for you if you can't do it yourself. Just have to figure out a way for the kid to die because their guardian betrayed them.<br><br>Also, apparently multiple people can work together to contribute prerequisites for an item. Yay, no need for bonus feat shenanigans, I can just get a couple of low-level believers with the right feats to help Steve make stuff.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:33:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7375724#msg7375724">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 13-12-2012, 05:32:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm sure I can arrange to make one for you if you can't do it yourself. Just have to figure out a way for the kid to die because their guardian betrayed them.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm a nymph. Getting someone to betray their family is simple. Thanks for the suggestion. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 05:34:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Evil is as evil does. I'm just glad I didn't have to try and figure out a way to get Bluff, Disguise, and Sense Motive in-class for Steve, and he doesn't need to burn a level on Shaper anymore.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 09:52:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Tagging for reading while working my char.<br><br>Anyways considering I am going to be Chameleon also I can contribute for crafting stuff for having needed feats for needed crafts. Altough I get the feature after first milestone. Anyways I fit Landlord to my build very least into 9th level. 6th level is for combat tactical feat, 3th level is quite bit open and 1st level I need pick Able Learner. Perhaps Fond of Inspiration so I got 6 inspiration points per encounter instead 5 (so can do twice cunning surge if want to).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 10:00:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So many land lords :3<br><br><br><br>Say, any ideas on how our illustrious group came to be?<br><br><br>Also, do we roll for HP or take average?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 10:19:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We came to be because we are from same company, but not sure what sort 'background' story the company conjured up for us when we land on the prime material plane.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 12:12:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Still can't decide on feats. The ones written on the basic glabrezu are pretty ok I guess. Maybe take two more with flaws for leadership (to get succubi cohort) and sunder for blackguard.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 16:19:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7376817#msg7376817">Quote from: Kimera on 13-12-2012, 12:12:58</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Still can't decide on feats. The ones written on the basic glabrezu are pretty ok I guess. Maybe take two more with flaws for leadership (to get succubi cohort) and sunder for blackguard.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Don't&nbsp; forget landlord, and im sure you can come up with some better feats that the crap wizards gives by default.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 16:21:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Standard has: Power attack, multi attack, cleave, great cleave and persuasive....that last one has to go and I take landlord instead then (leadership and sunder with flaws)<br><br>Or ditch the cleaves as well....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 16:45:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Cleave is awful even when it's level-appropriate. You will never see it be of any significant use at our level.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 16:57:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just noticed the savage species manual has a couple of funny feats for huge sized and bigger beasts<br><br>Improved multi-attack might be an option to drop the -5 penalty
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 22:16:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7377453#msg7377453">Quote from: Kimera on 13-12-2012, 16:57:48</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I just noticed the savage species manual has a couple of funny feats for huge sized and bigger beasts<br><br>Improved multi-attack might be an option to drop the -5 penalty<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Remember that you dont get a fully powered succubus for a cohort, you have to use the savage progression. From what I know of your build she will be ECL 10
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 22:23:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh right...forgot about that<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>13-12-2012, 22:36:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I figure we can save on staffing our DOOMCASTLE by letting Tristeria bite everyone. Vampire Spawn don't need to be fed, they don't need to sleep, they don't even need to breathe. <br><br>Zaer can make vampire spawn too but his vampire spawn take away from the number of actual vampires he can make
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:11:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I really wish 3.5 had Traits like in Pathfinder...I can't find any way to get Heal as a class skill without taking a dip in a divine casting class.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:13:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379403#msg7379403">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 00:11:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I really wish 3.5 had Traits like in Pathfinder...I can't find any way to get Heal as a class skill without taking a dip in a divine casting class.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Jerion blew a feat on cosmopolitan. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:21:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379412#msg7379412">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 14-12-2012, 00:13:39</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Jerion blew a feat on cosmopolitan.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Wasn't that another feat that got nerfed in the 3.0-3.5 shift when it was reprinted in PGtF? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:23:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379472#msg7379472">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 00:21:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Wasn't that another feat that got nerfed in the 3.0-3.5 shift when it was reprinted in PGtF?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Im pretty sure it's still "gain skill as a class skill" if it got changed it's not because it was nerfed but because another feat does exactly that. Thing is i can't remember what that other feats name is to go look it up!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:26:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, in PgtF it gives +2 bonus on Bluff, Gather Information &amp; Sense Motives checks.<br><br>The only feat printed that gives Heal as a class skill is Gold Draconic Heritage, which requires a Sorcerer level. Able Learner makes all skills cost 1 skill point each, but it still leaves cross-class skill caps in place.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:28:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379499#msg7379499">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 00:26:25</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, in PgtF it gives +2 bonus on Bluff, Gather Information &amp; Sense Motives checks.<br><br>The only feat printed that gives Heal as a class skill is Gold Draconic Heritage, which requires a Sorcerer level. Able Learner makes all skills cost 1 skill point each, but it still leaves cross-class skill caps in place.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Damnit, I know there is a general feat that lets you make a non class skill into a class skill. Now I have to find it to make my build legal again. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:31:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not exactly the same, but there is Able learner, although you have to be human or doppelganger 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:33:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Able Learner is nice, but it only means cross-class skills cost 1 point each instead of 2. I specifically need Heal as a class skill for the class rank cap, so I can get the Graft Flesh feat.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379515#msg7379515">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 14-12-2012, 00:28:41</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Damnit, I know there is a general feat that lets you make a non class skill into a class skill. Now I have to find it to make my build legal again.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you find it, let me know. I'm currently resorting to a 1-level dip in the Fleshcrafter Necromancer variant from Dragon #312. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:34:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379537#msg7379537">Quote from: Kimera on 14-12-2012, 00:31:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Not exactly the same, but there is Able learner, although you have to be human or doppelganger<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah that one isn't what I'm thinking of, or need. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:51:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Though my cohort now has a total of 8 different crafting feats, capable of making<br>-Scrolls<br>-Potions<br>-Wondrous Items<br>-Weapons/Armor<br>-Wands<br>-Rods<br>-Constructs<br>-Grafts<br><br>Items are crafted at 20% of market value in GP, or 12.8% if it's custom-tailored to the individual (Class and Skill requirements to use).<br>Plus 2.25% of their market value in XP, or 1.42% if custom-tailored.<br>It takes him 1 day per 3,555 GP of market value (28% of regular speed) to make items, and each of his Dedicated Wright Homunculi can craft at 1 day per 1,250 GP of market value.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 00:59:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379666#msg7379666">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 00:51:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Though my cohort now has a total of 8 different crafting feats, capable of making<br>-Scrolls<br>-Potions<br>-Wondrous Items<br>-Weapons/Armor<br>-Wands<br>-Rods<br>-Constructs<br>-Grafts<br><br>Items are crafted at 20% of market value in GP, or 12.8% if it's custom-tailored to the individual (Class and Skill requirements to use).<br>Plus 2.25% of their market value in XP, or 1.42% if custom-tailored.<br>It takes him 1 day per 3,555 GP of market value (28% of regular speed) to make items, and each of his Dedicated Wright Homunculi can craft at 1 day per 1,250 GP of market value.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Im still debating the merit of Cannith Wand Adept. <br><br>I cannot find a feat to get hide as a class skill! Bah i may have to abandon binder for something else. The main draw of binder was many of its abilities can be used while possessing (that was the main reason to go for the phenric template too, more cha and the ability to use some pretty wicked powers from a hidden and invulnerable position).<br><br>Soulmelds should still function while possessing. Totemist ones that give attacks of course can't be employed but the passive boosters should work. Jerion needs to really buff his hide up since that's what prevents detect evil from rooting him out and holy magic from burning him down.&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:15:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Incarnates don't get hide either? Dumb shits! Do bards? Can you conduct performances telepathically? Considering the Dvati's background that actually really fits...<br><br><br>Shadowcaster has hide and fundamentals are SU....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:19:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bards do get Hide as a class skill, but the Bardic Music ability says:<br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"> While these abilities fall under the category of bardic music and the descriptions discuss singing or playing instruments, they can all be activated by reciting poetry, chanting, singing lyrical songs, singing melodies, whistling, playing an instrument, or playing an instrument in combination with some spoken performance.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you've got Telepathy as a special ability, I guess you could pull off a telepathic Bardic performance...I dunno, I think this is another Ask Autocad question.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:27:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379826#msg7379826">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 01:19:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Bards do get Hide as a class skill, but the Bardic Music ability says:<br>If you've got Telepathy as a special ability, I guess you could pull off a telepathic Bardic performance...I dunno, I think this is another Ask Autocad question.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Shadowcaster is looking really good, they have a feat that makes their spells into spell-likes and Su. <br><br>Bard fits real well too though. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:30:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Does it have to be a caster class?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:31:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379871#msg7379871">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 01:30:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Does it have to be a caster class?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you can name a physical class that can do a great number of things while ethereal and/or possessing then I'm listening. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:42:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379875#msg7379875">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 14-12-2012, 01:31:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If you can name a physical class that can do a great number of things while ethereal and/or possessing then I'm listening.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>I thought you just wanted Hide as a class skill. Physical classes won't be able to do anything while ethereal, but you can Animate any object you're possessing, and one milestone in you'll be able to forcibly control living hosts too.<br><br>Looking at FoP's restrictions, I'd say Shadowcaster is your best bet for a caster. It's not very powerful, but since you can't use spells, only SLA's/SU, anything stronger won't do much to help you. An incarnum class would be more harm than help, since soulmelds are visible and obvious.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 01:47:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7379941#msg7379941">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 01:42:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I thought you just wanted Hide as a class skill. Physical classes won't be able to do anything while ethereal, but you can Animate any object you're possessing, and one milestone in you'll be able to forcibly control living hosts too.<br><br>Looking at FoP's restrictions, I'd say Shadowcaster is your best bet for a caster. It's not very powerful, but since you can't use spells, only SLA's/SU, anything stronger won't do much to help you. An incarnum class would be more harm than help, since soulmelds are visible and obvious.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Plus actual spells not only can't be used while possessing, but really put a Dvati in a vulnerable position since both bodies have to work on casting them. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:19:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry about being silent for a while all, been dealing with a bunch of crap irl.<br><br>Would anyone have recommendations for my building my cohort. I'm going for a focus on non-magical crafting so being able to produce material types and quickly construct them into something massive and useful would be good. I'm thinking straight elven wizard at the moment.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:23:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7380099#msg7380099">Quote from: ExisD on 14-12-2012, 02:19:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Sorry about being silent for a while all, been dealing with a bunch of crap irl.<br><br>Would anyone have recommendations for my building my cohort. I'm going for a focus on non-magical crafting so being able to produce material types and quickly construct them into something massive and useful would be good. I'm thinking straight elven wizard at the moment.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Non magical crafting id go for someone with more skill points you'd want trap, alchemy, and at least some sort of smithing. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:41:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think ExisD is considering things like casting Wall of Stone or Iron, and then using Fabricate to craft the raw material provided into other stuff.&nbsp; Elven Wizard does seem like it'd be good for that, but I'm not familiar enough with arcane spells to think of any other spells that permanently conjure material into being.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:46:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Those are the big ones. Wall of Iron+Fabricate for masterwork gear for our minions along with trap components. Move Earth+Wall of Stone for terrain manipulation and work on structures. Eventually Polymorph any object would let the wall of iron turn into a wall of mithril or admantine.<br><br>Mirage arcana would let us keep our stronghold relatively safe from intruders and would certainly make it harder to navigate once they were inside.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:50:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That'll suit for our first few strongholds as long as we're economical....but Flight is only 15,000GP/SS, and we're going to have millions of gold to spend by level 18-20. Definitely a flying doomcastle.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 02:53:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7380252#msg7380252">Quote from: ExisD on 14-12-2012, 02:46:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Those are the big ones. Wall of Iron+Fabricate for masterwork gear for our minions along with trap components. Move Earth+Wall of Stone for terrain manipulation and work on structures. Eventually Polymorph any object would let the wall of iron turn into a wall of mithril or admantine.<br><br>Mirage arcana would let us keep our stronghold relatively safe from intruders and would certainly make it harder to navigate once they were inside.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That would be useful, and even though I'm also a wizard the class is so versatile that having a lower level utility caster is hardly going to step on my toes. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 03:10:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There is no such thing as too many wizards.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 03:17:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7380373#msg7380373">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 14-12-2012, 03:10:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">There is no such thing as too many wizards.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Like too many clerics it isn't going to happen. That being said do we have a cleric? If not i suggest the cohort in question be a cloistered cleric (good skill points) and take the (creation?) domain s/he'll still get fabricate and creation, have the skill points to blow on crafts and fill plenty of utility that we can't easily cover. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 03:21:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, definitely. If we weren't all spoken for as PCs, I'd suggest a PC cleric, but a cleric cohort is the next best thing. Not only do we need a reliable source of divine magic, we'll want an in with the evil gods, in case there comes a point when we need them to run interference for us with the good gods.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 08:39:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				For my succubus cohort, storywise she might be Aikaterine's younger sister
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 11:04:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If you want to get hide as class skill there are two feats to use;<br><br>Cityslicker (http://dndtools.eu/feats/races-of-destiny--81/city-slicker--348/) (make some edit and turn it into some otherkind feat; like 'inflitrator training' or something to reflavor it and get three skills as class skills always)<br><br>Another is Martial Study (http://dndtools.eu/feats/tome-of-battle-the-book-of-nine-swords--88/martial-study--1879/), pick Shadow Hand maneuver (as that discipline gives you hide as class skill then). Best part is that all maneuvers are Ex or supernatural in origin. So example Cloak of Deception which asks no maneuvers to know and if you pick it after 5-6th level, then you get maneuver which allows once per encounter benefit from improved invisibillity until end of your turn. Another good maneuver is of course Shadow Blade Technique (but quite physical activity to attack and get choose from 2 rolls). Or Hand of Death (paralyze by touch but crappy save if wisdom is dumb stat and demands you pick it after 9-10th level).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 12:02:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Reading the example of the necklace of natural weapons, it's kind of retarded<br><br>A throwing/returning natural weapon...kinda creepy<br><br>Laches with its claw, which detaches from his arm to fly at the target before returning back....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 12:10:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7382369#msg7382369">Quote from: Kimera on 14-12-2012, 12:02:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Reading the example of the necklace of natural weapons, it's kind of retarded<br><br>A throwing/returning natural weapon...kinda creepy<br><br>Laches with its claw, which detaches from his arm to fly at the target before returning back....<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayman_%28character%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayman_%28character%29)<br><br><br>There are worse combinations. Such as the Fleshgrinding enchantment, which makes you literally hate-rape someone to death.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 12:14:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Tempting&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 12:16:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not joking either:<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Fleshgrinding: When this piercing or slashing melee<br>weapon deals damage to a living creature, the wielder may<br>command the weapon to “grind” as a free action. At that time,<br>the wielder lets go of the weapon and it continues, magically<br>animated, to grind itself into the foe’s flesh. Each round, it<br>deals damage as if the character who had been wielding it<br>had dealt a successful hit with it. The wielder need not concentrate<br>or devote any time or attention to the weapon. The<br>original wielder can grab it at any time as a standard action.<br>The foe (or someone else) can attempt to rid herself of the<br>grinding weapon by making a Strength check (DC 20). If the<br>foe succeeds at the Strength check and has a free hand, she is<br>now holding the fleshgrinding weapon. In any event, the<br>fleshgrinding weapon stops grinding after 5 rounds.<br>Caster Level: 11th; Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and<br>Armor, animate objects; Market Price: +2 bonus.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 12:32:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Damn...<br><br><br>I think i'll stick with normal enchants<br><br><br><br>Also, is the succus class in savage species still up to date. Didn't the succubus stats get changed a bit from 3.0 to 3.5
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 13:07:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nop, succubi were different in 3.0 statically.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 13:16:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The I've got to wait with taking a cohort till level 14<br><br><br>Collar of virulent poison from BoVD might also be fun. Still too expensive for now, but with all those crafters around.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 19:23:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7382369#msg7382369">Quote from: Kimera on 14-12-2012, 12:02:53</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Reading the example of the necklace of natural weapons, it's kind of retarded<br><br>A throwing/returning natural weapon...kinda creepy<br><br>Laches with its claw, which detaches from his arm to fly at the target before returning back....<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I took the spell blood wind just in case you need it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 19:32:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Cool<br><br>Yeah with all those crafters we will be having, what items should we buy for our characters and which ones could be crafted later?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 19:38:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, I know that I'll be relying on our crafters to make a nice Ring of Reduction for my familiar.&nbsp; I'll want him appropriately-sized to ride around on my shoulders and to generally look cute and non-threatening. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-12-2012, 19:41:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7383790#msg7383790">Quote from: Kimera on 14-12-2012, 19:32:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Cool<br><br>Yeah with all those crafters we will be having, what items should we buy for our characters and which ones could be crafted later?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Buy what you can afford, and what you need to start with. Remember the crafters can upgrade just as well as they can start from scratch. That being said a rare few items require class features or feats to craft so grab them now if you must. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 00:29:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7383835#msg7383835">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 14-12-2012, 19:41:02</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Buy what you can afford, and what you need to start with. Remember the crafters can upgrade just as well as they can start from scratch. That being said a rare few items require <del>class features or feats to craft</del><strong>Use Magic Device checks </strong>so grab them now if you must.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>artificersayswhat.<br><br>The best things to buy, if you want suggestions, would be psionic items. Anything I make that's psionic-based will have to be a collaborative efforts between my Thrall and a Believer assistant to supply him with the creation feat.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 00:52:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				ok then<br><br>I usually buy several +X to stat items, but those can be acquired later then with the crafters
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 00:58:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Those will be getting made by the bucketload, as long as people supply the cash.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 01:16:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				THE BELT OF THE DREAD EMPRESS!<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 01:21:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just remember, the buy-in fee for the Magic Item Express is a Pain Extractor (64,000), though that can come out of your Stronghold funds since it's not mobile adventuring equipment.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 04:11:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, here comes my changeling vampire called Professor Zaine Vhaldmoor (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=483970) (yes, he considers himself a excquisite scholar and socialite). His decades favored 'default' form is half-elf vampire (http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/aedis-goc/art-005.jpg). But he includes variable disguises; Male human (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8MO8B8ClqB4/TuGGtxa0XkI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/70nQKrID-2w/s1600/Vampire.jpg), Female human (http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8518/titania.jpg), Female orc (http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/harn_winterfell/8c45767c427c33f5e6f1cd698cb7eb7b.jpg?v=217800), male orc stud (http://critical-hits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wor_orc.jpg), Male drow (http://www.freewebs.com/underdarkassassins/DarkElf_Male_Final.jpg), Female elf (http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/images/195935/Druid_by_Okha.jpg), Male dwarf (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/Mathai82/Character%20Profile%20Pics/Male/Dwarf_Warrior_by_Kuren.jpg) and dozen other races and genders. Also edited my placeholder in charsheet section.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 15:17:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Would paladin of slaughter not be a better choise then blackguard? <br><br>Also, are there any other flaws besides the one in unearthed arcane?<br><br><br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 15:54:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				IC thread is up. (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160202.0)<br><br>Your characters are external consultants while your cohorts will have to be recruited in-multiverse. Hence, why you don't start off with them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 15:57:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Depending if Autocad allows this, maybe it could also be cool to advance my demon with outsider HD until he gets high enough to advance to another type of demon&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:01:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You mean for future level ups?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:21:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:40:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, understood. What comes to paladin of slaugther vs blackguard then paladin of slaugther gets suckier aura ability (-1 to AC) while blackguard or paladin of tyranny gets -2 to all saves (which is lot better).<br><br>Paladin of slaugther/tyranny though gets overall better spell list than blackguard, but in turn blackguard stands well alone as it provides sneak attacks progression, mount which abilities depend on your HD than class levels.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:46:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, bu then I'll have to put improved sunder into my build
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:49:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Have we already been outfitted with our universe-appropriate bodies?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 16:53:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yes. Feel free to gripe about your difficulties getting through security at the spaceport :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 17:14:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How much time will we be undercover? Cause I realise I'm putting my feats and equipment to increase his claw attacks, but if we are supposed to be in disguise all the time, then his natural weapons aren't worth that much
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 17:16:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, undercover to extend that the holy order does not come hunt you down and most of all; learn that we are trying make one their order members as blackguard. That much caution very least.<br><br>So you cannot waltz in market place but if you kill all witnesses then no problem I guess. But then again in start you may be just mastermind and use minions to do your tasks until you can go disguised.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 17:58:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				For necklace of natural weapons...would vicious + vampiric be a good combo...or too risky.<br><br>Vicious: +2d6 damage, gain 1d6 damage yourself (would my damage reduction ignore this?)<br>Vampiric: +1d6 damage and heal that amount
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 18:59:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It won't be affected by your DR, but Vicious+Vampiric is definitely a good combo, since the Vicious damage is untyped.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:14:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok then. <br><br>Vicious + Vampiric will be a bit expensive to put on all my natural weapons for the amulet.<br><br>I'm also considering large and in charge, basically pushing everything back out of my 15ft reach.<br><br>Improved natural attack to make the claws even deadlier<br><br>Multigrab might also be fun, extra bonus to holding enemies down with one natural weapon<br><br><br><br>Instead of blackguard, mortal hunter could also be interesting<br><br><br><br>Trying to finish this character by tonight :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:30:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7388107#msg7388107">Quote from: Kimera on 15-12-2012, 17:14:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">How much time will we be undercover? Cause I realise I'm putting my feats and equipment to increase his claw attacks, but if we are supposed to be in disguise all the time, then his natural weapons aren't worth that much<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>In most cases when we are undercover I doubt we will be in combat, if that helps. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:39:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, but good backup in case if we do end up to fight to have a glabrezu brute.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:43:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I took these flaws<br><br>Bestail Instinct: -2 to hit with anything other than unarmed strikes or natural weapons<br>Inattentive: -4 to listen &amp; spot
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:48:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7387793#msg7387793">Quote from: Kimera on 15-12-2012, 15:17:29</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also, are there any other flaws besides the one in unearthed arcane?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You should be able to find some good alternatives here (http://www.realmshelps.net/datafind/feats.shtml), if you aren't completely set on the flaws you've already picked out. ^^; Just select 'Flaws' from the 'choose by Type' column, and you'll get a list of all published flaws.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 19:53:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7388708#msg7388708">Quote from: Kimera on 15-12-2012, 19:43:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I took these flaws<br><br>Bestail Instinct: -2 to hit with anything other than unarmed strikes or natural weapons<br>Inattentive: -4 to listen &amp; spot<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7388726#msg7388726">Quote from: Kunoichi on 15-12-2012, 19:48:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You should be able to find some good alternatives here (http://www.realmshelps.net/datafind/feats.shtml), if you aren't completely set on the flaws you've already picked out. ^^; Just select 'Flaws' from the 'choose by Type' column, and you'll get a list of all published flaws.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>I took Vulnerable: -1 AC (Tristeria is skimpily dressed, soft skinned and not particularly attentive) &amp;<br>Phantom Sparks: -4 spot and hide. (A side effect of blinding beauty and unearthly grace. He seems to glisten and shimmer at times.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 20:06:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; Would it be appropriate to roleplay that the new bodies we've been fitted into came with a set of memories appropriate to the world we're going to?&nbsp; I'm thinking it would be something to help the operatives fit in and get into character better, though the memories wouldn't necessarily correspond to real people or places in the world.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 20:12:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I wonder same as I have cluster of knowlegde ranks (and including knowlegde:local). I would assume we are given some memories or inf or very least damn big memo to check about the world so we can set right in (but if anyone would use divination on us determine when we were born; they would get error 404).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 20:15:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm...what would do that to my true seeing&nbsp; XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 20:22:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I assume it would show our present bodies only as I assume our minds were transfered to somekind artificial bodies from our real bodies which are kept in suspended animation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 21:21:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7388863#msg7388863">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 15-12-2012, 20:12:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I wonder same as I have cluster of knowlegde ranks (and including knowlegde:local). I would assume we are given some memories or inf or very least damn big memo to check about the world so we can set right in (but if anyone would use divination on us determine when we were born; they would get error 404).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'm figuring our Inhuman Resources department cut a deal with some Neutral or Evil god in charge of stuff like that to properly forge our divinatory histories. <br><br>We do have an Inhuman Resources department, right?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 23:42:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm assuming everyone is more or less in their natural forms? If not I guess ill edit later.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-12-2012, 23:56:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I know I'll at least be in my natural form.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 00:04:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My natural form is a blob of light, so who knows.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 00:07:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390061#msg7390061">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-12-2012, 00:04:05</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My natural form is a blob of light, so who knows.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I figured a somewhat brain shaped blob of light was what you looked like
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 00:44:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ive also decided that I speak with an accent.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 00:47:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I hope they're Vampire Vords.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 00:55:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390204#msg7390204">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-12-2012, 00:47:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I hope they're Vampire Vords.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Uv course dey are darlink
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:02:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; I wonder if I went a little overboard on the personality for the MISC operative currently known as Aikaterine...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:03:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok for a necklace of natural attacks, it is ( 600gp + cost weapon enchantment) x number natural attacks it applies<br><br><br>So for example vicious is +1 enchant, vampiric is +2 so +3 in total which is 18000gp<br><br>So for a necklace that affects both pincers of my glabrezu that becomes (600 + 18000) x2 = 37200gp<br><br><br>But<br><br>If I made a necklace that only does vicious for 2, it would be (600+2000)x2 = 5200gp<br>If I made a necklace that only does vampiric for 2, it would be (600+8000)x2 = 17200gp<br><br>Using the combine magic item rules 17200 + (1.5 x 5200) = 25000 gp<br><br><br><br>Quite a difference<br><br>Can someone confirm/deny<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:08:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390268#msg7390268">Quote from: Kimera on 16-12-2012, 01:03:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ok for a necklace of natural attacks, it is ( 600gp + cost weapon enchantment) x number natural attacks it applies<br><br><br>So for example vicious is +1 enchant, vampiric is +2 so +3 in total which is 18000gp<br><br>So for a necklace that affects both pincers of my glabrezu that becomes (600 + 18000) x2 = 37200gp<br><br><br>But<br><br>If I made a necklace that only does vicious for 2, it would be (600+2000)x2 = 5200gp<br>If I made a necklace that only does vampiric for 2, it would be (600+8000)x2 = 17200gp<br><br>Using the combine magic item rules 17200 + (1.5 x 5200) = 25000 gp<br><br><br><br>Quite a difference<br><br>Can someone confirm/deny<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well first of al I believe "Pincher" is one attack even if you have two of them. Thus requiring you only to use one. Also I don't think youd pay the combine magic items for this much in the same way someone with a weapon doesn't. "Freezing + Vampiric" doesn't increase cost more that straight addition.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure it only is going to cost you more if you also want it to be an amulet of natural armor, health, periapt of wisdom.&nbsp; Also these things take up an amulet slot so even if the claws pinchers both count as one weapon (again im quite sure they do you only need multiple for also covering things like BITE) you couldn't wear 2 of them. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:16:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390290#msg7390290">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 16-12-2012, 01:08:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well first of al I believe "Pincher" is one attack even if you have two of them. Thus requiring you only to use one. Also I don't think youd pay the combine magic items for this much in the same way someone with a weapon doesn't. "Freezing + Vampiric" doesn't increase cost more that straight addition.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure it only is going to cost you more if you also want it to be an amulet of natural armor, health, periapt of wisdom.&nbsp; Also these things take up an amulet slot so even if the claws pinchers both count as one weapon (again im quite sure they do you only need multiple for also covering things like BITE) you couldn't wear 2 of them.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Sadly no - it is not 'per type of weapon', it is 'per weapon', so each pincer does count separately. Pricing for the amulet is as if it was a weapon, multiplied across how many natural weapons it gives its benefits to.<br><br>Also, you forgot the +1 base enchantment before special properties can be applied, so it's actually +1+2 Vampiric+1 Vicious = 32,000, times the number of weapons you're using. <br><br>That is before crafting, though - if it's made by Steve, it'll only cost you 5-6K per weapon.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:18:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm....the cost is mounting up then.....I'll better wait wit buying this equipment then and let it be crafted ingame?<br><br><br>Also...does my char even fit in the plane, cause i have no way to reduce my size on my own&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:41:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390351#msg7390351">Quote from: Kimera on 16-12-2012, 01:18:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm....the cost is mounting up then.....I'll better wait wit buying this equipment then and let it be crafted ingame?<br><br><br>Also...does my char even fit in the plane, cause i have no way to reduce my size on my own&nbsp; ;D<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Firstclass lower plane flight equipment, it will fit you fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:43:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Did you decide on planned class levels? With your focus on natural weapons, either Totemist or Psychic Warrior might do you good - Totemist in particular could get vicious.<br><br>Also, since you've got 5 natural weapons, you might want to get an Amulet of Mighty Fists +5 as your primary attack-booster. It can't be enchanted with special properties, but it'll be a lot better on cost versus the attack/damage output.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:46:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well I was aiming at blackguard for the moment, hence wh improved sunder and cleave are in the build, even though i think both feats are a bit useless for the most part.<br><br>never thought about totemist to be honest, but I love that class. Any suggestions for adapting my build (feats)<br><br>I'll have a look at the amulet :)<br>Edit: I can afford a +2 version at the moment and maybe upgrade it at a later date
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:52:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, you could seriously wreck faces with a few levels of Totemist.<br><br>Totemist 2 will give you Totem Chakra Bind (+1 capacity) and 2 total melds....bind the Girallon Arms to your Totem slot, and you get 4 additional claw attacks that do 1d4+1/2 Str, at no penalty since you got Greater Multiattack. Dread Carapace for your other Soulmeld gives you -1 to hit and +1 damage on all your attacks, +2 damage for your Bite. With 2 Essentia to spend base, you can invest into the Girallon Arms for +2 hit/damage on all 6 claw attacks, or an extra -2/+2 damage to all attacks. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:57:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hy can see totemisht beink a great clazz for a beefy glabrezu like yourself. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:57:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok<br><br>So ditch improved sunder and cleave and take improved multi attack and greater multi attack?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 01:58:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Most definitely.<br><br>Also, I'd get rid of Improved Natural Attack (Pincer) and instead take Open Least Chakra (Hands). Sphinx Claws bound to the Hands chakra will give you Pounce, which will be insane with all your natural attacks. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:02:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				oh, it's just multiattack and improved multi attack, so got one free feat left (or toss out a flaw)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:05:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				See above - Open your Least Chakra (Hands) and bind the Sphinx Claws for Pounce.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:13:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Can you already take that feat witout the class?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:14:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, the Open [X] Chakra feats are specifically designed to give limited soulmeld access to non-meldshapers. Its prerequisites are Con 15 and Character Level 6th...you won't have any essentia to invest in the Claws, but you'll be able to Bind them.<br><br>EDIt: My bad, you also need Shape Soulmeld (Sphinx Claws). But you can retrain this away once you get your actual Totemist levels.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:20:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok, that would bring me to something like this:<br><br>power attack<br>multi attack<br>leadership<br>improved multiattack<br>shape soulmeld (sphinx claws)<br>open least chakra (hands)<br>large and in charge 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:25:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Looks good. Large and In Charge might be of limited use, but the only replacement I can think of would be Landlord, and that's not needed yet, since we'll be keeping a spartan base at first and saving as much money as we can for later evolutions.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:27:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390660#msg7390660">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-12-2012, 02:25:16</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Looks good. Large and In Charge might be of limited use, but the only replacement I can think of would be Landlord, and that's not needed yet, since we'll be keeping a spartan base at first and saving as much money as we can for later evolutions.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What about my luxury bedroom suite and adjacest luxury bath?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:36:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390675#msg7390675">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 16-12-2012, 02:27:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">What about my luxury bedroom suite and adjacest luxury bath?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>30,000 GP total. Plenty to save for later (though you'll need to shell out for a Pain Extractor to get your dirt-cheap items)....when we reach our final milestone, we'll have a Flying Doom Fortress made of Magically Reinforced Obdurium, and it'll still be 100+ stronghold spaces in volume.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 02:45:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well I think my character is done then. Will have an IC post up tomorrow&nbsp; XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 03:10:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7390727#msg7390727">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 16-12-2012, 02:36:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br>30,000 GP total. Plenty to save for later (though you'll need to shell out for a Pain Extractor to get your dirt-cheap items)....when we reach our final milestone, we'll have a Flying Doom Fortress made of Magically Reinforced Obdurium, and it'll still be 100+ stronghold spaces in volume.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>We start with 100k from landlord, Ill be happy to shell out 20-25k of it, if 3 people do that then we are set. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 03:12:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm certainly willing to shell out from my Landlord feat for a Pain Extractor or two. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 03:13:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sure, once I can squeeze landlord into my build
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 03:14:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I didn't plan to stop at 1 Pain Extractor - Dark Craft points will be of very limited usage during the first few stages of our operation, so Liquid Pain is how I'll be fueling crafting. That's the buy-in price per-person to get access to custom-tailored items at 13% of market value, but it is a valid purchase with Stronghold funds.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 07:25:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I edited my char little so that I can invest 23K gp for fortress funds. So I start effectively 96,000gp to invest on our powerbase (so can get at least one pain extractor plus some structures). So I am curious does our Landlord feat apply to our connection to MISC or to world itself in someway (have faked ID and so have contacts based on that ID).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 15:35:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I can give that much for landlord as well, which I just realized I mis-named as stronghold on my character sheet. Fixing that right now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 15:43:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7392143#msg7392143">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 16-12-2012, 07:25:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I edited my char little so that I can invest 23K gp for fortress funds. So I start effectively 96,000gp to invest on our powerbase (so can get at least one pain extractor plus some structures). So I am curious does our Landlord feat apply to our connection to MISC or to world itself in someway (have faked ID and so have contacts based on that ID).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Thats an easy way to explain it, but id like to say mine is financial backing from CUNTS<br><br>Also I wonder if I can get this Pathfinder Witch Ability as a feat (or better yet a replacement racial feature, trading wild empathy for it)<br><br>Child-Scent (Ex): The witch gains the scent ability, but only with respect to humanoid children and immature animals. Thus, she could sniff out a child’s hiding place or a den of wolf pups, but not the child’s parents or the den mother. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 17:32:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I figure I still need to work out my cohort of choise.<br><br>Since a succubus only works from lvl 14, I might need to think of something else....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 17:44:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7393542#msg7393542">Quote from: Kimera on 16-12-2012, 17:32:10</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I figure I still need to work out my cohort of choise.<br><br>Since a succubus only works from lvl 14, I might need to think of something else....<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You could choose to just wait till level 14 to recruit your cohort, so you can get the succubus right off.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 17:44:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*nods*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 19:46:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also wondering do I get more LA when I pick vampire lord? I want full 10 levels as chameleon very least when we reach final stages.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 21:58:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Does it have any printed LA?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 22:01:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nope, it's a CR +3, LA - template. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 22:10:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With all those claws, I was thinking of adding maybe a couple of demonic grafts onto my demon as well to get even more, if that's possible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 22:17:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Fiendish Clawed Arm is your best bet there, though Autocad might rule that you have to amputate one of your existing limbs to replace it with a grafted limb (it says this is part of the procedure in Fiend Folio) - so you'd give up a Pincer to get a Claw, and I think the Pincer deals more damage.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 22:32:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Personally, I think Totemist will get you plenty of natural attacks, anyway.&nbsp; Two pincers, six claws and a bite.&nbsp; Sounds like plenty to me. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-12-2012, 22:40:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7394766#msg7394766">Quote from: Kunoichi on 16-12-2012, 22:32:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Personally, I think Totemist will get you plenty of natural attacks, anyway.&nbsp; Two pincers, six claws and a bite.&nbsp; Sounds like plenty to me. ^^<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Plus a Sting Tail or Whip Tail graft,
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>17-12-2012, 17:40:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm considering to make a small edit and drop large and in charge for a quicken spell-like ability. I was thinking the glabrezu's teleport ability, so I can teleport in range and still take a full round or charge+pounce for all those natural attacks.<br><br>Edit: Nevermind, caster level isn't high enough to quicken that spell-like ability<br><br><br><br>For fiendish grafts, it says you get a penalty on charisma skill checks cause of the fiendish aura of those grafts...a bit silly if its attached to a demon though, since those are already embodiments of evil.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>18-12-2012, 01:55:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So...&nbsp; We're waiting on Autocad for a reply in the IC thread now, right? ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>18-12-2012, 02:17:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thats what Im waiting for, though any of the other PC's can talk to me. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>18-12-2012, 16:51:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Was also waiting for Autocad, but we could hae a little IC chat ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>18-12-2012, 16:59:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I will try to post as soon as possible when I am not swamped with work and other posts T_T
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:41:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So while we wait<br><br>Anyone maybe got a better idea for a cohort then a succubi?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:47:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7411299#msg7411299">Quote from: Kimera on 19-12-2012, 20:41:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So while we wait<br><br>Anyone maybe got a better idea for a cohort then a succubi?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Who were we talking about the cleric with?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:49:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You mean when I was going for that tsochar character?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:51:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, or maybe. I just remember one of the players was going to get a cleric cohort. If thats not you than don't worry. I can say though that a succubus is probaby not going to be that useful as a cohort. Okay window dressing if thats what you want though. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:54:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The tsochar was going to have a cleric cohort as its host. Its probably that one your thinking off.<br><br><br>A succubus could have worked if cohorts also were not restricted by the LA.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 20:56:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7411357#msg7411357">Quote from: Kimera on 19-12-2012, 20:54:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The tsochar was going to have a cleric cohort as its host. Its probably that one your thinking off.<br><br><br>A succubus could have worked if cohorts also were not restricted by the LA.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Im sure we could all have some overpowered cohorts then. We still managed to make some very powerful ones even with standard character creation rules. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 21:10:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Uhu<br><br>That's why I think I better take something else as a cohort. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 21:15:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Clerics are amazingly powerful and always useful. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>19-12-2012, 22:27:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, a good cleric would be pretty useful to have around.&nbsp; Even just a bog-standard human cleric would be great.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 12:13:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, probably human so It still is a lvl 10 cleric. Well cleric plus some interesting prestige classes&nbsp; XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 14:28:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Radiant Servant of Pelor (the Burning Hate)?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 14:33:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Would that work for an evil character?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 14:41:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He's a Neutral Evil god, of course it would.<br><br>(and it's technically legal too, since you can make a Cleric of a 'cause/ideal'.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 15:40:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Would burning hate still heal people? Would not PrC turn to somekind 'burn the heathens!' sort class?<br><br>Anyways LA indeed does hinder cohort department a lot. Just glad I can make vampires from any useful NPC which we find (and they be somewhat obedient). Spawns are for fodder purposes only.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 15:53:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Why not? He hates undead, and healing magic is the only way to make undead truly suffer the way mortals do.<br><br>The RSoP only requires the Sun domain anyways.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 16:10:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Or something from the libris mortis. Boost our undead even more?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 16:16:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not much Libris Mortis offers on that front that a generic Cleric wouldn't be able to provide. Most of its material is spells, what isn't is in prestige classes that only affect their own created+controlled undead.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 16:18:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, Libri Mortis for undead cohort and take undead leadership instead normal leadership.....I could take cohort which specifically specializes on necrotech and raising undead up for us and boost them (dread necromancer?). Example the explosive undead minions would make nightmarish army to deal with.<br><br>Altough it means if someone has NE version of Pelor then said cohort cannot cooperate my cohort directly. Nor would not much mind try smite me either. After all cohorts must come from this world and so their behavior can conflict with each other.<br><br>Anyways Libri Mortis has kick ass use for rebuke undead; Profane Life Leech.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 20:20:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How about a master of shrouds...or a palemaster or true necromancer<br><br>On another note, we all just waiting on the GM to post, or let our characters have a little chat 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 20:29:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Master of Shrouds is decent. Pale Master isn't bad. True Necromancer is horrifically awful.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 20:31:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7416150#msg7416150">Quote from: Kimera on 20-12-2012, 20:20:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">How about a master of shrouds...or a palemaster or true necromancer<br><br>On another note, we all just waiting on the GM to post, or let our characters have a little chat<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>None of those classes would assist us in any way beyond the base class they spawn from. (in fact all would assist us substantially less). The true necromancer is a horrid class that no one should ever take. Master of shrouds is good at low level but it's really just a summoner of incorporeal undead. Why would we need someone who just makes up more undead (especially at a caster level loss). Palemaster is just a way for wizard to get a bit better with animate dead and grab a few defensive abilities. Again we do not need someone that animates more undead. We have plenty of that. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 21:46:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Although its more of a fun flavor class, I always thought a zhentarim skymage form lords of darkness would be fun
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 21:57:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Dread Necromancer with right feats can boost a lot of our undead minions. Also in end become a lich (dread necro is base class). Another cohort candidate is archivist (a scholar/research geek with divine spells). Or enter some PrC and go bit crazy. Like go example Virtuoso (https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20011207) class after 8th level as dread necro and pick Requim feat (so all bardic music goodness affects undead minions and Song of Fury is fun plus Calumny can be useful to turn people against the order and work for our goals). Once maxed PrC at 18th level (it's crappy PrC but dread necro is crappier, just wanted keep casting levels), then when I have 9th level necromancy spells I could enter Dirgesinger final 2 levels if we go past level 20th somereason.<br><br>Only problem is to get perform as class skill and it can be solved by taking apprentice feat (as human as second feat goes to tomb tainted soul).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 23:35:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Archivist is a lot like a cleric, A good choice. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 23:41:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7417105#msg7417105">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 20-12-2012, 23:35:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The Archivist is a lot like a cleric, <del>A good choice</del> <strong>but better</strong>.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Fixed your typo. Unless you're looking to be a healmonster, Archivists are Clerics with Class Features and the ability to cherry-pick spells from an amazing variety of sources, including access to a bunch of normally wizard-exclusive spells via domains, and hilarious ab/use of half-caster and Prc-caster divine classes with their own spell lists.<br><br>Their only weakness is money, and finding access to scrolls. If we have a 12th level Warlock (any cohorts unassigned?), we can get an Archivist with an utterly hilariously versatile spell list for extremely cheap.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 23:45:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My slot is still open at the moment
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>20-12-2012, 23:52:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Archivist (or Cleric) would be more immediately useful. You or someone else who's not myself/Pale can pick up the Warlock with Undead Leadership once we hit our first milestone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 00:03:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not that familiar with those new classes, so I douth I can make any decent build with them
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 00:05:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7417235#msg7417235">Quote from: Kimera on 21-12-2012, 00:03:35</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm not that familiar with those new classes, so I douth I can make any decent build with them<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If you are not great with builds then just follow these steps to make a very powerful and useful cohort.<br><br>1. Pick a race<br>2. Make it a cleric. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 00:31:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, you can't really go wrong with cleric. Cleric+prestige classes are better, but that's like saying a tank with extra machine guns is better than a tank with only one machine gun...even without the extras, you still have a tank.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 00:54:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				i'll just make a cleric then with some prestige classes that appeal to me :)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 01:07:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just remember the First Rule of Prestige Classing: Thou Shall Not Lose Caster Levels, the First Corollary of the First Rule: Unless What Thou Gains For The Lost Levels Is Incredibly Powerful, and the Second Corollary: And Even If Thou Most Lose Caster Levels, Let The Number Be No Greater Than Three.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>21-12-2012, 10:12:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No worries. I hate loosing spell levels anyways<br><br><br>Classes I'm thinking off<br><br>- Divine Oracle: Level dip for oracle domain (no loss of spellcasting)<br>- Divine Champion: Another fun class with several goodies (no loss of spellcasting)<br>- Maiden of Pain: Gain pain as bonus domain, can use whip (15ft) to deliver touch attacks,... (loss of spellcasting on 1st level only)<br><br>- Yathsinshee: A more flavorful version of true necromancer, but you have to be drow, so to much spellcasting progression is lost<br><br><br><br>Also, my character does not have the landlord feat yet, but could my lackey (cohort) take it to our benefit?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 08:03:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7419778#msg7419778">Quote from: Kimera on 21-12-2012, 10:12:07</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">No worries. I hate loosing spell levels anyways<br><br><br>Classes I'm thinking off<br><br>- Divine Oracle: Level dip for oracle domain (no loss of spellcasting)<br>- Divine Champion: Another fun class with several goodies (no loss of spellcasting)<br>- Maiden of Pain: Gain pain as bonus domain, can use whip (15ft) to deliver touch attacks,... (loss of spellcasting on 1st level only)<br><br><br>Also, my character does not have the landlord feat yet, but could my lackey (cohort) take it to our benefit?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Technically he could but i think thats stretching things. Divine oracle is a fine PRC to take a full 10 levels of. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 12:27:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				One fun fact; Magelord PrC which asks evasion to enter (or fochluchan lyrist) would treat divine oracle level 2 feature as evasion. By GM's approval.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 12:52:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So your making a mage then with divine oracle?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 12:58:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nah, I stick still with dread necromancer with Virtuoso levels. As my cohort that is. I get some specific vampire lieutenants as my 'elite' leaders for undead army while dread necro makes the fodder (as create undead allows create vampire spawns but not vampires). One first vampires I create is going to be marshal who is going to be brilliant general of said undead army.<br><br>Of course set up scenario where our paladin hero will be facing undead threats increasingly and then face off against my general....who is unaware I am with side of paladin and general is sacrificed pawn in grander plot. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 13:52:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If we ever get to that point&nbsp; :-\<br><br>Ponders if my cleric oracle can worship my demon...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 14:21:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It's possible, or pick abyss as planar domain.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 14:31:46</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				This cleric is quickly turning into that drider I made in your game Zaer ;)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 14:39:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*smirks*<br><br>She was fun char.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 14:41:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't think a drider will work as a 10th lvl cohort and be effective though
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 14:59:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				No, but you can pick her later date.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 15:08:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*nods*<br><br>Offcourse, if I wait with taking a cohort, I might pass on leadership for now and pick it up when we reach the next milestone
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 16:06:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, you could perhaps IC wise see contact with local 'underdark' and then find drider oracle who divines things from abyss and then convert her to your cause and then get followers from underdark.<br><br>Where my char befriends a necromancer and starts collect undead minions with his natural leadership as enigmatic vampire (who ascends to lord rapidly).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 16:22:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Uhu<br><br>That's why I wanted fiend of blasphemy in my build, to represent it getting worshippers, starting a true cult
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>22-12-2012, 16:30:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, and leading priestess is the oracle then :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 16:36:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Damn...that was quite a lecture&nbsp; ;D<br><br>Now to decide where to go....
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 17:44:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Indeed, quite a lecture but managed grind through it :P. I assume this means the folks may not be neccesarily together but we can cooperate from distance or do folks all select same location to operate on the task?<br><br>Considering splitting up some folks may serve well to distract the order in operations elsewhere and better have multiple candidates to betray the order than place all eggs to single basket.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 18:10:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Both options sound reasonable
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:08:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, as far as starting locations go, do we have any sort of plan? ^^; From the talk we've had so far, the general idea seems to be to pool our resources together, so we'll probably all want to go to the same world, but the question from there is, what sort of world do we want to go to?<br><br>If we could get some appropriate transport magics worked into whatever stronghold we build, we might be able to go world-hopping anyway, which would be nice...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:10:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A transdimentional fortress&nbsp; ;D<br><br><br>The same building but connected to multiple portals across different planes (anyone seen Howls moving castle)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:14:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7430723#msg7430723">Quote from: Kunoichi on 23-12-2012, 23:08:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, as far as starting locations go, do we have any sort of plan? ^^; From the talk we've had so far, the general idea seems to be to pool our resources together, so we'll probably all want to go to the same world, but the question from there is, what sort of world do we want to go to?<br><br>If we could get some appropriate transport magics worked into whatever stronghold we build, we might be able to go world-hopping anyway, which would be nice...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>We were, but we had no idea we would be given such a huge selection of individual worlds to start in. Everyone probably had their&nbsp; preferences. Zaer is certain he wants to be on Kafka itself. My choices aren't set in stone but I doubt i'd be convinced to do much different. I did offer to let others join me for the resource pooling though. <br><br>I wonder what Grumpstone wants. Kunoichi, Kimera, Grumpstone, and Myself is a large and possible group. Not evreyone may like my choices though and we may not all end up together. <br><br>Kimera's idea is expensive but workable. Especially if people tend toward transitive or material planes. Getting from my shadow plane to any material plane is just one trip.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:19:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Biggest problem for me at the moment is that my character is stuck in its form (towering beast) so material planes are risky
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:21:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7430751#msg7430751">Quote from: Kimera on 23-12-2012, 23:19:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Biggest problem for me at the moment is that my character is stuck in its form (towering beast) so material planes are risky<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>PSSSST: I looked around the room, said I wanted to shadow plane, and asked if anyone wanted to work under me and pool resources. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:32:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm, our very own castle in the shadow realm...&nbsp; I'm fine with the idea, especially since it will make traveling to other alternate primes fairly easy. ^^ Aikaterine is going to wait until her questions are answered before making any choices, but since it's looking like she'll be stuck on Kafka if she goes there, she'll probably go for the 'pool our resources' option and postpone her little recon mission until a proper base of operations is established.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:51:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7430798#msg7430798">Quote from: Kunoichi on 23-12-2012, 23:32:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm, our very own castle in the shadow realm...&nbsp; I'm fine with the idea, especially since it will make traveling to other alternate primes fairly easy. ^^ Aikaterine is going to wait until her questions are answered before making any choices, but since it's looking like she'll be stuck on Kafka if she goes there, she'll probably go for the 'pool our resources' option and postpone her little recon mission until a proper base of operations is established.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ah indeed shacking with one of the people who can plane shift has it's benefits. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:54:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				How many of us have planeshift that works on others at the moment?<br><br>Mine is self only and my cohort won't be able to for two more levels.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>23-12-2012, 23:56:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7430758#msg7430758">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 23-12-2012, 23:21:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">PSSSST: I looked around the room, said I wanted to shadow plane, and asked if anyone wanted to work under me and pool resources.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Uhu, I noticed ^^<br><br>But just wanted to discuss it a bit further into the group, discuss all the options&nbsp; ;D<br><br>Sticking together might be handy at first, once we have a central jump platform we can divide our attention if needed. Still, having an infiltrator/scout already present in the main material plane of interest is handy as well
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 00:12:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mmh, more discussion is my plan as well. Though the places that would be best for my fortress personally, positive or negative energy planes, don't work as well for anyone else.<br><br>I'd also volunteer for scouting duty. As a not immediately evil looking creature to true seeing I'd probably be one of the people to draw the least amount attention to our actual goals. <br><br>I'll try to get an IC post up tonight with everything.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 00:13:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7430877#msg7430877">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 23-12-2012, 23:51:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah indeed shacking with one of the people who can plane shift has it's benefits.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True. ^^ And bringing along said plane shifter on a recon mission could be pretty fun, too.&nbsp; I can't help but imagine Aikaterine and Tristeria working a little disguise magic and then just walking into some social function on Kafka and socializing with the upper ranking members of the Order.&nbsp; It could be quite fun to roleplay something like that, I think.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 00:32:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It is recommended that you stick together. But you don't need to follow my advice.&nbsp; ::)<br><br>Also, Kafka start (and even just going there later on) is LUNATIC MODO. You have been warned.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 00:42:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So going to Kafka will involve regularly dealing with beings that can circumvent shapeshifting, complete immunity to detect thoughts, discern lies and magical attempts to detect alignment, and a +28 Bluff modifier? Oo; I see.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 01:02:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I thinked Zaine would go to Kafka as he is 'social' spy and he can adapt and change his skill sets on demand. He can example fool divinations used by holy order members and true seeing also with mislead (target it paladin A and shapeshift to look like paladin A physically and so true seeing would show paladin A while ignoring disguise of paladin A).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 01:12:40</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mislead as the spell?<br><br>???<br><br>Also, buzzwords FTW. Calling a teammate a loose cannon and making it sound like a good thing in front of the client.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 01:45:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Mislead as the spell yeah. I point target with it and I 'copy' the target for all divination purposes.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:10:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You must be thinking of a different spell...<br><br>http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/mislead.htm (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/mislead.htm)<br><br>http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/misdirection.htm (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/misdirection.htm) maybe? It'll stop the aura-reading, though it doesn't interfere with True Seeing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:16:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7431165#msg7431165">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-12-2012, 01:12:40</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also, buzzwords FTW. Calling a teammate a loose cannon and making it sound like a good thing in front of the client.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I noticed it was righteous. <br><br>It's easy at the start to pool together but it makes it less unique later on. Everyone should go where they want (including choosing to shack with another if they want) we can manage to doll out portals over time. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:17:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				For those of us who look rather angelic we just want Mind Blank 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:32:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I just need to get my cohort and a seed pool of cash, after which I can make ALL THE THINGS.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:35:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7431418#msg7431418">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 24-12-2012, 02:16:34</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It's easy at the start to pool together but it makes it less unique later on. Everyone should go where they want (including choosing to shack with another if they want) we can manage to doll out portals over time.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, to be fair, we'll probably have to split up anyway, later on.&nbsp; Pooling our resources in the early game should just help us reach the mid-game and end-game faster. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 02:40:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And if we don't pool our resources (not initially, but after the first milestone or so), we won't have enough Landlord funds to build our Giant Flying Doom Fortress.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 03:42:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7431533#msg7431533">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-12-2012, 02:40:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And if we don't pool our resources (not initially, but after the first milestone or so), we won't have enough Landlord funds to build our Giant Flying Doom Fortress.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>In the guidebook there is a stronghold called "fortress of the planes" or something. It would work. We would pool resources but still exist on at least a couple different planes. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 04:16:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That certainly works for me. ^^ And it will fly, and maybe be big enough to make Star Wars jokes about. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 04:40:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7431805#msg7431805">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 24-12-2012, 03:42:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">In the guidebook there is a stronghold called "fortress of the planes" or something. It would work. We would pool resources but still exist on at least a couple different planes.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The Citadel of the Planes isn't mobile, it just exists on multiple planes. It would, in fact, be impossible to mobilize, since its various sub-rooms are not themselves capable of planar transit. We're going to have a mobile fortress from which we can bear down on the stronghold of the Paladin Order during the final assault.<br><br>Because it's badass. There are six of us, and we'll have 800,000 gold apiece before pooling. If we keep our first 200,000 apiece to ourselves, we'll still have 3.6 million (more if we get our cohorts to buy on on the deal), to make an awesome Flying Fortress of Doom, and 200K is more than enough for each of us to have a base of operations. Or, we can liquidate/sell our own property before the Final Showdown.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 04:57:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7432130#msg7432130">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-12-2012, 04:40:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The Citadel of the Planes isn't mobile, it just exists on multiple planes. It would, in fact, be impossible to mobilize, since its various sub-rooms are not themselves capable of planar transit. We're going to have a mobile fortress from which we can bear down on the stronghold of the Paladin Order during the final assault.<br><br>Because it's badass. There are six of us, and we'll have 800,000 gold apiece before pooling. If we keep our first 200,000 apiece to ourselves, we'll still have 3.6 million (more if we get our cohorts to buy on on the deal), to make an awesome Flying Fortress of Doom, and 200K is more than enough for each of us to have a base of operations. Or, we can liquidate/sell our own property before the Final Showdown.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>This is the first time im hearing about the flying fortress thing. Or at least the first time I paid attention to it. If you have to make your section mobile go ahead. I thought the plan was mostly to just share a stronghold because it gets a much nicer stronghold and we can feed you resources so your cohort crafting for us isn't a burden to you. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:00:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I've been talking about it since the very beginning, and reminding people periodically, so you definitely haven't been paying attention. Between our spellcasting, our crafting bonuses, and the sheer amount of money we can throw into this thing, we can make an amazing creation, but we're not doing it Voltron-style where everyone makes their own much-less-cool base and just glues the chunks together.<br><br>You don't have to buy in on the fortress, just like you don't have to buy in on the crafting - you can have your own little stationary base - but if you don't buy in, you don't get to ride in the doomfort during the assault.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:11:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7432239#msg7432239">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-12-2012, 05:00:37</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">You don't have to buy in on the fortress, just like you don't have to buy in on the crafting - you can have your own little stationary base - but if you don't buy in, you don't get to ride in the doomfort during the assault.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Fair enough. If I need a impressive stone automation to the final confrontation, ill ride a Blackstone Gigant. <br><br><br>SO who wants to join me on the plane of shadow parallel to this world where men are mountains, women are men, and children are dead. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:17:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm up for it. ^^ We can pull our minions from the world we're set up next to and then go to some other world to find our candidates.&nbsp; It should be a good setup.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:38:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7432339#msg7432339">Quote from: Kunoichi on 24-12-2012, 05:17:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm up for it. ^^ We can pull our minions from the world we're set up next to and then go to some other world to find our candidates.&nbsp; It should be a good setup.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Between you and the Glabrezu we have a fun circle!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:52:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				One reason I chose a low tech world where people live rough lives, aren't sexually enlightened and are genuinely foul to each other. It's an environment thats set to produce some gritty warriors. It's also an environment where everyone has a very hard life, even the women tend to be a rugged looking. Kinky sex isn't widely explored and magic is rare. <br><br>Something that looks even close to a nymph or succubus is purely in the realm of fantasy. Low magic means they have few resources to combat magic, and crapsack means they are used to suffering. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 05:57:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah, good thinking.&nbsp; Though I suppose that means that Aikaterine's cute, cuddly little cohort will be much more likely to come from some other world, given those criteria.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 06:00:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7432582#msg7432582">Quote from: Kunoichi on 24-12-2012, 05:57:12</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah, good thinking.&nbsp; Though I suppose that means that Aikaterine's cute, cuddly little cohort will be much more likely to come from some other world, given those criteria.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well on the shadow plane we can get to any material plane we need to. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 07:19:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It'll be real hard for me to find my craftbunny on a crappy world like that, though. Also, it'd be almost impossible for me to replenish my believers effectively, so I'll probably want to start somewhere else and meet up later, once we've completed our preparations and are ready to start scouting for Paladin candidates.<br><br>Making our central stronghold on the Plane of Shadow's not a bad idea, though until we can get reliable Planeshifting, it won't be easy to get around - we can technically travel to any Material Plane, but only if we can find a way there, and the Plane of Shadow's a big place.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 07:31:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433001#msg7433001">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 24-12-2012, 07:19:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">It'll be real hard for me to find my craftbunny on a crappy world like that, though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Feel free to have your stronghold somewhere else. You are also more then welcome to join us though. You help complete a very colorful line up. <br><br>Kunoichi's character seems to be falling into "The only sane man" trope. <br><br>The Big Bad: Professor Zaine Vhaldmoor<br>The Dragon: Tristeria VanMaladesta<br>The Brute: Astaroth<br>The Evil Genius: Alaxos<br>The Dark Chick: Bellona<br>The Sixth Ranger: Aikaterine<br><br>Alternately Alexos could be the big bad, Zaine the Dragon, Aikaterine the evil genius, Tristeria The Dark Chick, and Bellona the Psycho Ranger. . <br><br>Of we could go with an evil empire structure. <br><br>The Emperor: Tristeria VanMaladesta<br>The General: Zaine Vhaldmor<br>The Right Hand: Aikaterine<br>The Guard: Astaroth<br>The Man Behind the Man: Alaxos<br>The Dark Chick: Bellona&nbsp; 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 07:59:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have a feeling psycho ranger will wind up being more descriptive then the dark chick for me. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 09:11:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433037#msg7433037">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 24-12-2012, 07:31:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Feel free to have your stronghold somewhere else. You are also more then welcome to join us though. You help complete a very colorful line up. <br><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You're the one who doesn't want to buy in on a kickass shared fortress, not me. <br><br>And this thing is going to be hella expensive, so it'll definitely have to be an all-except-Pale-hands effort if we really want this doomball to roll. For a roughly 120-ft diameter sphere that can Fly at 10 MPH and Plane Shift 1/week, it'll be 212 Stronghold Spaces and cost 3.4 million gold for the mobility enhancements alone. To give it an Obdurium shell with Iron interiors (assuming we can cast Wall of Iron and get the iron free), it'll tack on another 1.4 million, and that's before actually buying anything to fill it with...which will be comparatively cheap.<br><br>&nbsp;In perspective, 1 level 20 character with Landlord and 2 level 18 cohorts with Landlord can collectively donate 1.8 million in fortress funds. That means at least 3 of us need to pledge full buy-in (or as close as possible) to afford our Death Star Monstrosity, preferably all four of us, but if we do, I can absolutely promise it will be a totally sweet ride. Pale can ride his giant or something and hunt down the survivors as we char a path of ruin and destruction across the land with Fireball-spewing Spell Turrets, shrugging off adamantine weaponry like it's made of rubber, and I WILL figure out the best way to give us a city-wrecking superlaser on the front. Less a flying fortress and more a small flying town, covered in armor and weapons, with living quarters for ourselves and our high-level minions, with enough room left over for amenities and luxuries<br><br>The Doom Sphere employee break room will also have free punch and cookies at all hours.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 10:45:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also do not forget that we can also make money with ourselves, cohorts or just go traditional 'loot the treasury' from dragons. Very least my char with dread necro would have plans to get one undead dragon as minion (a bound draco lich more precisely said).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 11:21:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433387#msg7433387">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-12-2012, 10:45:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also do not forget that we can also make money with ourselves, cohorts or just go traditional 'loot the treasury' from dragons. Very least my char with dread necro would have plans to get one undead dragon as minion (a bound draco lich more precisely said).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Think your necro can control a draco lich easily enough to rely on it? A zombie dragon (the actual zombie dragon template not just a draon with the zombie template) makes a great flying transportation. Abduxuel was going to get one hollow out it's chest cavity and use it as an impressive flying throne and tank. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 13:04:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just need *cough* get scroll of Binding along with threat to dracolich that I know where his phylactery is and I can nuke it with just thought alone and it gets nuked if I die. That should ensure dracolich's cooperation than turn/rebuke or command undead spell.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 16:55:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just ask some mortal sucker to call for a wish from my demon for the raw materials of my fortress. (Wish abuse in progress, please ignore ^^)<br><br>And Astaroth is going to the shadow plane for the time being.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:10:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433387#msg7433387">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-12-2012, 10:45:26</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also do not forget that we can also make money with ourselves, cohorts or just go traditional 'loot the treasury' from dragons. Very least my char with dread necro would have plans to get one undead dragon as minion (a bound draco lich more precisely said).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That'll make it easier - especially since Landlord also gives 1-1 matching funds on anything a character contributes above their Landlord purse. We can't get craftbunny discounts on fortress items, though, so it's more efficient to pay for our own gear with dragon raids.<br><br>Personally, if I wanted a dracolich minion, I wouldn't risk threatening it or forcing it into service, I'd just bribe it. Dracoliches like gold as much as any ordinary dragon - give it a lair, give it gold and supplies for whatever experiments it does, and you've got a willing servant who won't be looking for a chance to backstab you.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433914#msg7433914">Quote from: Kimera on 24-12-2012, 16:55:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Just ask some mortal sucker to call for a wish from my demon for the raw materials of my fortress. (Wish abuse in progress, please ignore ^^)<br><br>And Astaroth is going to the shadow plane for the time being.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Even more reason to have you as part of the planning committee for Operation Doom Sphere - have you seen how much Obdurium costs? We'll want to Magically Treat it as well to make it even more ridiculously invincible, Blueshine it for protection from acid...<br><br><br>Entirely separate from the Sphere of Doom, what we could really use is a MiniTARDIS for communal use. 1 guard post (1/2 SS) with Plane Shift 1/day, made of cheap materials, will cost less than 15,000GP and give us a personal planar taxi.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:25:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				We could also have an enormous work force of undead. They don't tire, require food, sleep, suffocate. Perfect miners. Lets conquer small planes and let the undead stripmine them for any materials we need... 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:26:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I'm already factoring in the 30% discount from free labor.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:35:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And that point my dread necromancer will be a very useful minion to have around; to monopolize free labor (command undead (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Command_Undead) spell has no limit how many undead you control with it after all and you could make 8 CL wands from this spell and give any minion able cast 2th level spells; so arcane versions from adepts could do it or someone with high UMD enough reliably use it).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:38:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:56:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also a math question; how much it costs to create cloak or a ring which provides constant (or renewed) use of Cloak of Dark Power (http://dndtools.eu/spells/forgotten-realms-campaign-setting--19/cloak-of-dark-power--1190/) which is slapped with Invisible Spell metamagic feat (a +1 to increase in spell level)? I ask so my vampire guy can walk and function in daylight hours and even as master vampire keep his powers active. Ofc true seeing would reveal the traditional 'dark haze' around my char but point being is avoid to be so suspicious I am targeted by such spell first place.<br><br>Or get another item which grants spell immunity spell usable and I can use the item to get immunity vs true seeing spell. Spell Immunity spell gives you essence infinate amount of SR and true seeing spell checks for SR (altough it's harmless but if I want resist it I can do so).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 17:57:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well my demon has constant true seeing, so what does your characters truely look like&nbsp; ;D
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 18:06:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Something like this (http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/images/107090/RacesChangelingMale.png).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 18:25:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433987#msg7433987">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-12-2012, 17:35:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">And that point my dread necromancer will be a very useful minion to have around; to monopolize free labor (command undead (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Command_Undead) spell has no limit how many undead you control with it after all and you could make 8 CL wands from this spell and give any minion able cast 2th level spells; so arcane versions from adepts could do it or someone with high UMD enough reliably use it).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The problem is that undead are stupid, they need supervision - it actually calls this out in the description, that while zombies are free labor, they need supervision from wizards/clerics who can't work 24/7 and usually aren't free. If we have Necropolitans to manage them, it'll be easier - and I can just make my thrall horde do the work in the meantime.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7434032#msg7434032">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 24-12-2012, 17:56:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also a math question; how much it costs to create cloak or a ring which provides constant (or renewed) use of Cloak of Dark Power (http://dndtools.eu/spells/forgotten-realms-campaign-setting--19/cloak-of-dark-power--1190/) which is slapped with Invisible Spell metamagic feat (a +1 to increase in spell level)? I ask so my vampire guy can walk and function in daylight hours and even as master vampire keep his powers active. Ofc true seeing would reveal the traditional 'dark haze' around my char but point being is avoid to be so suspicious I am targeted by such spell first place.<br><br>Or get another item which grants spell immunity spell usable and I can use the item to get immunity vs true seeing spell. Spell Immunity spell gives you essence infinate amount of SR and true seeing spell checks for SR (altough it's harmless but if I want resist it I can do so).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Dunno, but I think Autocad said something about 'no custom items'. So check on that clause first.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 21:38:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, well that case need prepare it as 'cleric mode' as chameleon then (drow 1 domain spell). Would need take feat to allow use drow domain spells though. Or take arcane disciple which allows do that on arcane spell slots.<br><br>Anyways yeah, the zombies need supervision but note I have undead leadership so I may have necropolitant 'work supervisors' on said task.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 22:13:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Id like to point out that you can't get spell immunity to true seeing since true seeing isn't affected by spell resistance. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 23:37:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><strong>Divination</strong><br><strong>Level:</strong> Cleric 5, Healer 5, Adept 5, Knight of the Weave 5, Sorcerer 6, Wizard 6, Beguiler 6, Druid 7, Knowledge 5, Dragon 5,<br><strong>Components:</strong> V, S, M,<br><strong>Casting Time:</strong> 1 standard action<br><strong>Range:</strong> Touch<br><strong>Target:</strong> Creature touched<br><strong>Duration:</strong> 1 min./level<br><strong>Saving Throw:</strong> Will negates (harmless)<br><strong>Spell Resistance:</strong> Yes (harmless)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It is actually. According to basic data. Or is the SR for casting the spell on someone? If so then only defense is Nondetection then and I can cast it but with CL 8 only. Around CL 23 needed bypass as it covers me only. But the targets who use it have CL 9 at least as clerics so they need roll higher than 14 bypass it. Which is decent odds as it gives 25% chance for it to succeed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>24-12-2012, 23:40:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, Spell Resistance only ever affects the target of the spell, not secondary subjects who might be affected by it - otherwise you get silly things like fighters being weaker against golems because their Bull's Strength buff stops working. So you will need Nondetection to have a chance of avoiding True Seeing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 00:36:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7433037#msg7433037">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 24-12-2012, 07:31:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Kunoichi's character seems to be falling into "The only sane man" trope. </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh, Aikaterine isn't sane, she's just good at hiding her craziness when she needs to. :P Or, well, she is now that she's running on much higher mental stats than she's used to.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 01:37:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So her gun totting attitude and temper stuff is somewhat similar what Revy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Lagoon_characters#Revy) has?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 01:47:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not very familiar with Black Lagoon, so I couldn't say. ^^; Reading about the character on Wikipedia, though, that description does seem to fit the personality I'm developing for her.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:09:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, here is couple youtube clips about Revy in action ;).<br><br>Black Lagoon - Favorite Revy Scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElCPiApxZsk#)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:13:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh I like her!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:19:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Heh, I recommend watch Black Lagoon if you like ass crazy bitches with guns/weapons ;). Revy is perhaps more well known and having most fans (and personal opinion; best char from series).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:36:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7435234#msg7435234">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 25-12-2012, 02:19:04</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Heh, I recommend watch Black Lagoon if you like ass crazy bitches with guns/weapons ;). Revy is perhaps more well known and having most fans (and personal opinion; best char from series).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I'll say that I would enjoy Ginji Matsuzaki from the series having a bodyguard crush on me ^_~
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:38:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, that's a lot like I envision Aikaterine's default personality.&nbsp; Of course, where Revy comes across as over the top and awesome, Aika has Charisma as her dump stat, meaning that she tends to come across as more of just an unlikable bitch, and is largely kept around because she's very competent at her job.<br><br>Hence why she's so willing to volunteer for missions that let her switch over to a succubus body.&nbsp; Charisma 26 can be one hell of an addictive experience when you're normally in the 6-8 range.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 02:59:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Heh, would your succubus dual wield light crossbows or other 'firearms' if go right prime world?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>25-12-2012, 03:13:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nah, not in a succubus body.&nbsp; After all, why carry guns when you can use your innate Suggestion SLA to convince someone that you've got snipers in position, ready to take him out at a moment's notice if he so much as breathes wrong? :P<br><br>Also, a succubus really isn't a straight-up combatant, so if she ever does decide to start fighting personally, she'll probably go straight for the C4 and just bring a building down on whoever she wants to kill.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>27-12-2012, 06:39:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, having finally gotten around to selecting powers for my cohort, I believe I've stumbled across a solution (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/correspond.htm) to our interplanar communications issues.&nbsp; Thoughts, everyone?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>27-12-2012, 07:10:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That is an incredibly useful power that does solve tons of our problems. <br><br>Would it be possible to get items of that spell made?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>27-12-2012, 09:17:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7442871#msg7442871">Quote from: Kunoichi on 27-12-2012, 06:39:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, having finally gotten around to selecting powers for my cohort, I believe I've stumbled across a solution (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/correspond.htm) to our interplanar communications issues.&nbsp; Thoughts, everyone?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Loikjs good, A shame I don't have seductive speech yet (at least I don't think I do) If I do than I can send a single message to each of you once a day if I have drank your blood. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>27-12-2012, 16:54:25</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7442871#msg7442871">Quote from: Kunoichi on 27-12-2012, 06:39:18</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">So, having finally gotten around to selecting powers for my cohort, I believe I've stumbled across a solution (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/correspond.htm) to our interplanar communications issues.&nbsp; Thoughts, everyone?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Well, I know what I'm adding to my list the next time I get an open power slot.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>27-12-2012, 20:51:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7443403#msg7443403">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 27-12-2012, 09:17:33</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Loikjs good, A shame I don't have seductive speech yet (at least I don't think I do) If I do than I can send a single message to each of you once a day if I have drank your blood.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You're one level away, from the looks of things.&nbsp; You'll also have a 5% failure chance if trying to communicate with someone on another plane, though...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 04:58:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...So, are we waiting on anything or anyone? &gt;&gt;;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:07:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Im working on my post right now but i think we are just finalizing who is going where and doing what. I know tristeria's initial plan.<br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:47:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				From what i have gathered so far, the party will split into three groups as below. Is my understanding correct? Are you really sure you want to do this?<br><br>Zaine: Kafka<br>Tristeria: Shadow Plane <br>Aikaterine: Shadow Plane<br>Alaxos: Urban World<br>Astaroth: Shadow Plane<br>Bellona: Urban World
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:51:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm against splitting up, to be honest. &gt;&gt;; I don't think we'll want to do that until we've got our communications network in place.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457374#msg7457374">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 05:07:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Im working on my post right now but i think we are just finalizing who is going where and doing what. I know tristeria's initial plan.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yeah, I've got a good idea of Aikaterine's initial plan as well.&nbsp; Though, I am a bit curious if Tristeria's spell will even wind up adding the Half-Celestial template onto a Half-Fiend child...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:53:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457641#msg7457641">Quote from: Kunoichi on 30-12-2012, 05:51:20</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm against splitting up, to be honest. &gt;&gt;; I don't think we'll want to do that until we've got our communications network in place.<br><br>Yeah, I've got a good idea of Aikaterine's initial plan as well.&nbsp; Though, I am a bit curious if Tristeria's spell will even wind up adding the Half-Celestial template onto a Half-Fiend child...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Since Tristeria isn't an evil outsider I'd say the chances of him having a half fiend child are very slim indeed. The templates could both exist on one creature but it won't happen here. Half vampire or half fey on the other hand might be possible. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:58:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If Tristeria would bed with Zaine the child would definately become half-vampire (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=post;topic=160006.275;last_msg=7457662) but good side half-vampire is not obvious (if not choose blood drain trait). One is able summon swarm of bats. Last one being then charming gaze (which is supernatural effect and so cannot be traced as 'spell'). Considering how hot the child will look most would think the child is just charming.<br><br>But overall my char Zaine will go scouting mission very least on kafka and then go shadow plane once done (if someone could fetch him up). As note he will give 65K gold to get pain extractor to the base in shadow plane; his investment for that for future is reduced discount on all magic items created by craft bunnies.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 05:59:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457612#msg7457612">Quote from: Autocad on 30-12-2012, 05:47:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">From what i have gathered so far, the party will split into three groups as below. Is my understanding correct? Are you really sure you want to do this?<br><br>Zaine: Kafka<br>Tristeria: Shadow Plane <br>Aikaterine: Shadow Plane<br>Alaxos: Urban World<br>Astaroth: Shadow Plane<br>Bellona: Urban World<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Im thinking time may have to be abstracted a bit. One group might be staying in a single morning scene for a few pages worth of posts, while another zips through a day very quickly. That's not even counting things that incur time skips. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has had trouble with one group member in disposed casting an hour long spell while everyone else drags a scene out. It locks the caster out of posting until their spell is done. Travel could cause time skips that take days. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:01:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457688#msg7457688">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 30-12-2012, 05:58:44</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If Tristeria would bed with Zaine the child would definately become half-vampire (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?action=post;topic=160006.275;last_msg=7457662) but good side half-vampire is not obvious (if not choose blood drain trait). One is able summon swarm of bats. Last one being then charming gaze (which is supernatural effect and so cannot be traced as 'spell'). Considering how hot the child will look most would think the child is just charming.<br><br>But overall my char Zaine will go scouting mission very least on kafka and then go shadow plane once done (if someone could fetch him up). As note he will give 65K gold to get pain extractor to the base in shadow plane; his investment for that for future is reduced discount on all magic items created by craft bunnies.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Is Alaxos okay with the crafting stations and pain extractor being in my stationary shadow chateau rather than his flying fortress? Im fine with it since i'm likly to have a dungeon for keeping slaves and captives anyway. It just means his minion will have to visit to do his craft work. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:02:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457662#msg7457662">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 05:53:42</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Since Tristeria isn't an evil outsider I'd say the chances of him having a half fiend child are very slim indeed. The templates could both exist on one creature but it won't happen here. Half vampire or half fey on the other hand might be possible.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I imagine half-fey's almost a certainty, really, given that Tristeria will be one of the parents.&nbsp; As for the half-fiend template, I was thinking that would come from Aikaterine, though that was more of an idle thought and potential consideration for a backup plan, rather than any sort of serious suggestion. ^^;<br><br>Though, thinking about it in terms of what effect genetics might have on psychology, it might be helpful later on if we make sure that the child is born with a nice predisposition for the dark side, ready and waiting to be brought out...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:05:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, predisposition which can lead child to dark side easily but nothing seen by the members of order and their tough tests what they place on paladin cadets.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:07:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457714#msg7457714">Quote from: Kunoichi on 30-12-2012, 06:02:27</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I imagine half-fey's almost a certainty, really, given that Tristeria will be one of the parents.&nbsp; As for the half-fiend template, I was thinking that would come from Aikaterine, though that was more of an idle thought and potential consideration for a backup plan, rather than any sort of serious suggestion. ^^;<br><br>Though, thinking about it in terms of what effect genetics might have on psychology, it might be helpful later on if we make sure that the child is born with a nice predisposition for the dark side, ready and waiting to be brought out...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Genetic manipulation with magic can certainly be useful. A limited wish should be enough to make sure the seed has or doesn't have a specific parent trait. I'll probably go for twin boys. Having a pair should give a greater room for random error as they grow. Of course it also creates a potential Cain and Able scenario. Triusteria's child shouldn't be the only champion the entire group is going to work on though. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:08:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Also nothing against Zaine working with Aikaterine either to make her own child spawn project (after all not depend all things in single basket). With luck we get <em>team</em> of blackguards instead of single champion bring down the order :P. The half-siblings could adventure together and unaware of shared heritage.<br><br>Or very least keep Aikaterine around as a 'favorite aunt' could be fun for the child.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:16:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457755#msg7457755">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 30-12-2012, 06:08:23</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also nothing against Zaine working with Aikaterine either to make her own child spawn project (after all not depend all things in single basket). With luck we get <em>team</em> of blackguards instead of single champion bring down the order :P. The half-siblings could adventure together and unaware of shared heritage.<br><br>Or very least keep Aikaterine around as a 'favorite aunt' could be fun for the child.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's fine if many people are focusing on Tristeria's child as long as somewhere Bellona or someone else has a different ward. <br><br>Also could Zaine and Tristeria have a son that isn't an obviously evil metrosexual? THERE IS NO PALADIN ONLY KUJA!<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://images.ados.fr/jeux-videos/photo/hd/4505309450/final-fantasy-ix/34483-fantasy-floating-2843879b5d.jpg)</div></div>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:20:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457745#msg7457745">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 06:07:15</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Genetic manipulation with magic can certainly be useful. A limited wish should be enough to make sure the seed has or doesn't have a specific parent trait. I'll probably go for twin boys. Having a pair should give a greater room for random error as they grow. Of course it also creates a potential Cain and Able scenario. Triusteria's child shouldn't be the only champion the entire group is going to work on though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True.&nbsp; Ideally, we might even be able to get all of our various candidates together into a single adventuring party.&nbsp; If we can manage that, I'll probably try to get Aikaterine in there as a member of said party, as well.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457805#msg7457805">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 06:16:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also could Zaine and Tristeria have a son that isn't an obviously evil metrosexual? THERE IS NO PALADIN ONLY KUJA!<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://images.ados.fr/jeux-videos/photo/hd/4505309450/final-fantasy-ix/34483-fantasy-floating-2843879b5d.jpg)</div></div></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I could see it happening with the addition of the half-celestial template, though since we also need to come up with a major threat for our Blackguard-candidate to vanquish, we might want to custom tailor our own little hellspawn for that very purpose...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:30:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Using your own children as fodder to other children? Very evil, yet we are the GM's kinda :P. Also once they are dead we can ress the children and pat them on back for good trying and ask them stay put as they are grounded.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457805#msg7457805">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 06:16:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Also could Zaine and Tristeria have a son that isn't an obviously evil metrosexual? THERE IS NO PALADIN ONLY KUJA!<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://images.ados.fr/jeux-videos/photo/hd/4505309450/final-fantasy-ix/34483-fantasy-floating-2843879b5d.jpg)</div></div></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>OMG! That must not happen! He would kill all of us to steal our loots, fortresses and our loots! He after all turned against his own parent :P.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 06:34:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457709#msg7457709">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 06:01:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Is Alaxos okay with the crafting stations and pain extractor being in my stationary shadow chateau rather than his flying fortress? Im fine with it since i'm likly to have a dungeon for keeping slaves and captives anyway. It just means his minion will have to visit to do his craft work.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><em>We</em>* won't have a flying fortress for a while, not until the very endgame stages. Once I got my minions and thralls, I planned on returning to wherever our communal stationary base ended up anyways.<br><br><br>\<br><span style="font-size: 6pt;" class="bbc_size">*hereby defined but not limited to characters portrayed by players excluding the player identified henceforth as PaleEnchantress...</span>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:00:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well if we need half celestial Bellona could bear one as well. Sorry about brevity, posting from phone.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:04:13</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, Bellona counts as celestial even if she is fallen. So she would be prime candidate to make half-celestial child candidate. Where Zaine x Tristeria provides half-vampire or half-fey candidate. Where Aikaterine could provide a half-fiend (nothing is more impressive tale of heroism than paladin plaqued by evil of their blood and seeking very hard for redemption).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:20:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Thanks to polymorph I believe that I could supply either side of any other half~x's that we need as well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:30:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*nods*<br><br>Very true, question is does our GM allow pregnancy speeding spells so instead 9 months it happens in hours instead? Also do our ladies/mothers want play mommys or want drop them to be found and adopted?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:45:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				My character would not be a very good mother. Though depending on how long it takes us to do things like set up strongholds and infiltrate things the time may not be an issue.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 07:46:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				For once the BoEF might be used seriously! XD There's probably something to speed up pregnancy in there. Failing that, good ol' timeskip always works.<br><br>I'm curious how many kids you're planning on having between all of you, though.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 08:02:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well if there is a speed up spell it would be a good way to gather a custom tailored minion hood.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 08:51:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7458236#msg7458236">Quote from: Autocad on 30-12-2012, 07:46:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">For once the BoEF might be used seriously! XD There's probably something to speed up pregnancy in there. Failing that, good ol' timeskip always works.<br><br>I'm curious how many kids you're planning on having between all of you, though.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I believe the 9th level druid spell fecund growth speeds pregnancy up. Timeskip works well enough too. <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457916#msg7457916">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 30-12-2012, 06:34:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><em>We</em>* won't have a flying fortress for a while, not until the very endgame stages. Once I got my minions and thralls, I planned on returning to wherever our communal stationary base ended up anyways.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Cool, where are you building it?<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7457916#msg7457916">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 30-12-2012, 06:34:36</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="bbc_size">*hereby defined but not limited to characters portrayed by players excluding the player identified henceforth as PaleEnchantress...</span><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Grumpstone, you are just too cute sometimes. Reminds me of ...<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://stonedlizard.com/images/2012/11/28/grumpy-cat.jpg)</div></div><br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7458050#msg7458050">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 30-12-2012, 07:04:13</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, Bellona counts as celestial even if she is fallen. So she would be prime candidate to make half-celestial child candidate. Where Zaine x Tristeria provides half-vampire or half-fey candidate. Where Aikaterine could provide a half-fiend (nothing is more impressive tale of heroism than paladin plaqued by evil of their blood and seeking very hard for redemption).<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Spells can do it too. A half celestial template on my twin boys should assure a special place in the order. I may have to use a limited wish to limit genealogy so we don't end up with a half-fey/half-celestial/half-vampire the question is which to annex. Probably half fey since it lends itself the least to paladin hood and unlike half vampire is likely going to be obvious. Zaer what spell are you using for shapechanging? Is it&nbsp; one that allows you to use the forms poison? If your poison would remain potent in someone elsesw body then your semen should too and we can customize our children's looks a bit. <br><br>ALso: I loved your character's comment Kunoichi. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 09:43:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				As for the base. I'm in favor of an extra-planar base and my money would go to that. Though my character is going to spend a significant portion of her time on the material plane.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 10:27:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Destination Kafka: Zaine<br><br>Destination Shadow Plane: Tristeria, Aikaterine, Astaroth<br><br>Destination Urban World: Alaxos, Bellona<br><br><br><br>Final confirmation before Ms. S sends you all off to three different destinations! If you have a last-minute change of heart, now's the time to voice it!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 10:31:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think joining in the infiltration of Kafka would be the best idea on my end whether or not Bellona winds up carrying one of our potentials.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 12:30:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Seems I missed a lot of plotting yesterday.<br><br>Why not create hundreds of spawn across various planes. You raise a couple as candidates and let the others loose just to cause evil on their own, creating distractions and possible challenges for our would be hero/would be blackguard
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 12:58:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'd think that organizing the evil spawn to make sure we have appropriate challenges and such would be better, but I think that is one of the ideas.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 14:52:53</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, birthing evil spawn so we have evil minions serving us would be good. So long parentage is kept secret and so the brats do not get ideas outdo their parents like usual evil children do.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7458458#msg7458458">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 08:51:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I believe the 9th level druid spell fecund growth speeds pregnancy up. Timeskip works well enough too. <br><br>Cool, where are you building it?<br><br>Grumpstone, you are just too cute sometimes. Reminds me of ...<br><br><div class="spoiler_container"><div onclick="hideSecond (this);" role="button" class="spoiler_header">Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide</div><div class="spoiler_body">(http://stonedlizard.com/images/2012/11/28/grumpy-cat.jpg)</div></div>Zaer what spell are you using for shapechanging? Is it&nbsp; one that allows you to use the forms poison? If your poison would remain potent in someone elsesw body then your semen should too and we can customize our children's looks a bit. <br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Changeling's shapechange is like disguise self but more as supernatural transmutation effect. But once as vampire lord I wild shape like 12th level druid.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 19:54:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7458458#msg7458458">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-12-2012, 08:51:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote"><br><br>Grumpstone, you are just too cute sometimes. Reminds me of ...<br><br><br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Grumpstone? You're the one who refuses to pool resources for no good reason. I'm trying to get the entire group backed behind an awesome, ambitious, incredibly stylish end-game idea - one that can be started now and finished then, if the layout is pre-planned ahead of time to have the flying enchantments added late, giving us huge discounts on the stationary base in the meantime - and you're fighting it out of raw spite.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Cool, where are you building it?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>Is that 'it' as in the flying, planeshifting fortress we will have, or 'it' as in a stationary fortress because you are spitefully denying me participation in the Shadow Plane base?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 21:17:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7460068#msg7460068">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 30-12-2012, 19:54:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Grumpstone? You're the one who refuses to pool resources for no good reason. I'm trying to get the entire group backed behind an awesome, ambitious, incredibly stylish end-game idea, and you're fighting it out of raw spite.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>You're the one who said you should change your name to Grumpstone when we were throwing about ideas at the conceptual level of the game. I've noticed that since then you've been quite grumpy so it's been my nickname for you. <br><br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7460068#msg7460068">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 30-12-2012, 19:54:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Is that 'it' as in the flying, planeshifting fortress we will have, or 'it' as in a stationary fortress because you are spitefully denying me participation in the Shadow Plane base?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>"It" as in your own personal flying tower since that seems to be what your getting with Zaer/Zaine now throwing his share into the shadow plane base. Useful considering Tristeria can already travel from shadow plane to material plane and back with passengers. I even figured that we could spring for the pain pit and crafting stations, which you are welcome to come and use (as well as your cohort) even though you've made it clear I'm not welcome in your base. <br><br>I didn't plan on making my base the main base, but I'm quite happy to accommodate everyone with it if they feel comfortable letting me. I've worked with Kunoichi a lot and we get a long great. Kimera has a character I know I can really work with, and I've worked along side him before too. Zaer and I can't seem to avoid each other.&nbsp; I can up with something that would help my operation, and I'm thrilled that my friends find it can help theirs too. (or perhaps they want to assist with mine, either way its great.)<br><br>I never said you couldn't reside in the shadow plane base. I'm pretty sure I said anyone could join me there. There was no "Not Grumpstone" disclaimer. I'm just pretty sure you want to control the operation. We've been getting into ideological differences over things since before the game even started. I have no desire to butt heads with you when we have the option of acting separately and preventing a problem. <br><br>If all you really care about is making preparing the fortress to eventually fly, I guess we can work that in. Hell you probably have a blueprint already in mind that I could look over.&nbsp; Just in order to be welcome as a resident and contributing party You/Alaxos have to agree to differ to My/Tristeria's judgement when it comes to the base. That way I have some assurance you're not going to argue with me over every little detail or try to derail things I could have otherwise done just fine with.&nbsp; I'm not going to use it as an excuse to be psycho bitch and regulate you to a dungeon or whatever. <br><br>If you don't want to that's fine too. You can go have your own little fortress somewhere else, Bellona might even be willing to take landlord and throw her money into it. We will connect both places with a portal so we can still act as one big happy family. Just one with substantially less headaches. <br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 21:34:34</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wait, I'm the one who wants ideological control? You're the one who's saying people need to agree to 'work under you' and contribute resources to 'your' fortress,. I've been advocating for genuine shared ownership from the start, no control needed aside from a strict total-volume limitation (since mobility is really damn expensive). I don't have a blueprint because I don't know who is willing to participate and what they want - size and contents are completely undecided, I can make pretty much anything fit. The factor is that the more people buy in, the higher the total awesome-per-person ration ends up being.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">even though you've made it clear I'm not welcome in your base.</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>This is blatantly false. I've offered for you to be part of it, you've refused to be part of the effort and I am respecting that without condescending nicknames or mockery. The only thing I've said about you not being welcome is that only people who buy in to the Death Star get to ride inside during the final assault on Kafka, you're free to visit anytime prior to that. I've also played with Kunoichi, Kimera, and Zaer on both sides of the DM screen to great success and genuine cooperation, no OOC master designer/subordinate needed the way you want and seem to be implying I want as well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 21:54:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Good, now that we have cleared that up do you know what you're going to do?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 22:05:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Not a clue. I need to visit the urban world to get my dude, then I'm returning to wherever the majority of us are setting up shop to continue with The Plan.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 22:28:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7458236#msg7458236">Quote from: Autocad on 30-12-2012, 07:46:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">For once the BoEF might be used seriously! XD<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>If it has a section on fantasy genetics, we'll probably have to use it quite seriously indeed. :P Among other things, I'm not sure that shapechanging messes with genetics at all, because from what I remember hearing, the half-dragon template gets most of its use from shapeshift-capable teenage dragons being willing to sleep with anything that has a hole.&nbsp; If that's the case, then I'm thinking that only magic that actually changes your type would have an effect on the genetics involved.<br><br>So, for example, even if Aikaterine were to Change Shape herself into a male human and then seduce her way into some lady's bedchambers, the child born 9 months later would still be a half-fiend, and not a regular humanoid, because even with Change Shape up, Aika's still an Outsider.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 22:34:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7460818#msg7460818">Quote from: Kunoichi on 30-12-2012, 22:28:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">If it has a section on fantasy genetics, we'll probably have to use it quite seriously indeed. :P Among other things, I'm not sure that shapechanging messes with genetics at all, because from what I remember hearing, the half-dragon template gets most of its use from shapeshift-capable teenage dragons being willing to sleep with anything that has a hole.&nbsp; If that's the case, then I'm thinking that only magic that actually changes your type would have an effect on the genetics involved.<br><br>So, for example, even if Aikaterine were to Change Shape herself into a male human and then seduce her way into some lady's bedchambers, the child born 9 months later would still be a half-fiend, and not a regular humanoid, because even with Change Shape up, Aika's still an Outsider.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Hmm that does make sense. It just seems odd that you could inject someone with the forms poison and not the forms semen. I'd like to have Zaine be the father of Tristeria's children but I can't foresee the two of them coming up with a spawn that isn't 50/50 glitter and bloodlust. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 22:36:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, look on the bright side.&nbsp; We can name the kid Edward Cullen.<br><br>...Oh, wait, that's not a bright side at all. :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 22:40:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With limited wish we can eliminate vampire genes or fairy genes. Just leave it with regular human (or half-elf or elf). We could declare that Aikaterine who bangs a noble woman as futa succubi form brings forth a normal human child with limited wish (the noblewoman who got raped could actually influenced go buy one herself to avoid scandal in Kefka).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 23:01:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				To be honest, I thought we were just gonna snatch us a child from somewhere and work with that. A pure human or whatever won't have any tainted marks to be found. Fiendspawn tends to do that. ;3<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 23:07:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Nothing stops us from snatching kid to adopt it or manipulate from distance a candidate and also breed a candidate. Many eggs in many baskets.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 23:14:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If we're going with thee may eggs plan we need to make sure that we don't make our potentials strong enough to cause problems for the future.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>30-12-2012, 23:25:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Aye, I already mentioned this issue OOC and IC.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>31-12-2012, 02:45:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7461099#msg7461099">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 30-12-2012, 23:25:11</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Aye, I already mentioned this issue OOC and IC.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>It's a very important thing to consider, but it doesn't need that much stressing. Technically even our cohorts are powerful enough to rival us. It's better to make sure they wont rather then make sure they can't. <br><br><br>Edit: Also it may or may not have it's uses but Tristeria can track down children by their scent. The tasty little morsels they are.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 16:48:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Wouldn't a cross between Belonna and Astaroth either result in a half fiend movaic Deva or a half celestial glabrezu ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 19:53:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I have no idea how outsider reproduction works, nor does my character. Though having more powerful minions this way may be worth it as well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 20:25:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Strictly speaking, the Half-Fiend and Half-Celestial templates have alignment requirements that would only let them be simultaneously applied to a creature that was Neutral on the Good-Evil axis.&nbsp; Still, as inherited templates, we could probably get some success sticking them on mortals and then changing the alignments afterwards...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 20:27:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Powerful minions indeed. Altough true that breeding between of true outsiders is different than outsider x mortal one. So if wanting to have someone with both celestial and fiendish blood but still be more and less prime material being it needs mortal who has fiendish blood (tiefling example) sleep with celestial. So they may get a half-celestial tiefling.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 21:33:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7470053#msg7470053">Quote from: Kunoichi on 01-01-2013, 20:25:56</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Strictly speaking, the Half-Fiend and Half-Celestial templates have alignment requirements that would only let them be simultaneously applied to a creature that was Neutral on the Good-Evil axis.&nbsp; Still, as inherited templates, we could probably get some success sticking them on mortals and then changing the alignments afterwards...<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Even with an entry of "Always Good" we know that can be subverted. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:21:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True.&nbsp; It's just that the prospective champion can't be inherently good or inherently evil when the templates are applied; That is, if we want said champion to have both templates, he can't be born either good or evil.&nbsp; He'll have to be born neutral, and then we'll have to shift his alignment afterwards.&nbsp; So, no half-fiend celestials or half-celestial fiends, because they've got good and evil as core parts of their natures, as reflected in the alignment subtypes they've got.<br><br>To put it differently, neither Astaroth nor Aikaterine could get Bellona pregnant, nor could she impregnate either of them.&nbsp; Any half-mortal children of any of the three of them, on the other hand, would be fair game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:26:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm, how do types work with polymorph? <br><br>I know that most of the creatures that tend to breed with random mortals, succubi and dragons are the ones that come to mind first, keep their types when they use shape shifting. However, I'd thought that polymorph changes your type to a different one.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:33:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmmm, considering only 'mortal' is Zaine. He is vampire yes but half-vampire template proves vampires can impregnate mortals. My base race is mortal; changeling true. Normally there is 50% chance child is either changeling or whatever base race changeling is mimicking atm (so if changeling is elf and he makes half-elf pregnant result is 50% changeling, 40% elf or 10% half-elf). <br><br>But if I would just get one level up, then I could take racial emulation feat and then children are always 100% the race what I emulate (the feat needs name one race which I can perfectly mimic but as it's chameleon feat I can change the feat once per day). Of course spells and limited wish or any other spell which manipulate 'chances' can work the 50% into 100% to certain wanted result.<br><br>As said somepoint; Zaine is one to get some in this game if it involves any breeding as another mortal male happens to be floating spectral brain and Astaroth is full male demon :P. His offspring would be strongly half-fiend (and so would be children of any succubi).<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7470559#msg7470559">Quote from: ExisD on 01-01-2013, 22:26:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm, how do types work with polymorph? <br><br>I know that most of the creatures that tend to breed with random mortals, succubi and dragons are the ones that come to mind first, keep their types when they use shape shifting. However, I'd thought that polymorph changes your type to a different one.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>True that dragons polymorph and breed half-dragons but reason is this; if they could bang medium humanoids without killing them with natural forms they would be half-dragons. Even if silver dragon turns to elf humanoid (their common favored form) the offspring what they make with male human is human half-dragon. If partner would be male elf then child would be half-elf half-dragon (despite dragon having elf form).<br><br>The dragons cannot remove draconic influence of their blood and altough humanoid form allows copulation with other humanoids, their humanoid form is considered 'fake'. If two dragons in humanoid forms have sex their offspring would be a true dragon than half-dragon.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:37:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7470559#msg7470559">Quote from: ExisD on 01-01-2013, 22:26:06</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm, how do types work with polymorph? <br><br>I know that most of the creatures that tend to breed with random mortals, succubi and dragons are the ones that come to mind first, keep their types when they use shape shifting. However, I'd thought that polymorph changes your type to a different one.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>*checks*<br><br>...Huh.&nbsp; So it seems that Polymorph does change type and subtype...&nbsp; Thankfully, half-dragons can still be explained via the shapechanging theory because there are feats to grant the Change Shape ability to any dragon that knows polymorph.&nbsp; But yes, it would seem that Bellona can provide us with an almost endless supply of potential genetic donors to choose from. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:44:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Actually the dragons just have alternate form. It specifies that they keep their type in the alternate form description.<br><br>"The creature retains the type and subtype of its original form. It gains the size of its new form. If the new form has the aquatic subtype, the creature gains that subtype as well."<br><br>I would assume this means that a dragon who uses its alternate form would make a half-dragon, but one that uses polymorph would be treated as the species it turns into.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>01-01-2013, 22:46:51</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah yeah, my bad. Most dragons use alternate form to masquerade as humanoids and so they create half-dragons. But if they would get sorcery skill high enough and take feat what Kunoichi mentioned, they can create non-half-dragon offsprings.<br><br>So yeah, Bellona can provide either as mother or as father to any pairings to create varied gene stock. Even cancel her celestial nature if she wants to and take fiendish variant also.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>02-01-2013, 01:40:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7470669#msg7470669">Quote from: Zaer Darkwail on 01-01-2013, 22:46:51</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Ah yeah, my bad. Most dragons use alternate form to masquerade as humanoids and so they create half-dragons. But if they would get sorcery skill high enough and take feat what Kunoichi mentioned, they can create non-half-dragon offsprings.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Other way around, actually.&nbsp; Basically, for dragon species without access to an innate Alternate Form ability, there's a line of feats that would allow them to gain the ability, thus allowing for half-dragons of that particular dragon species without all the awkwardness of a non-dragon trying to mate with a dragon in its natural form.&nbsp; Meanwhile, dragons that masquerade as humanoids via Polymorph or Alter Self and go around mating at every opportunity would instead create purely humanoid children.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>02-01-2013, 07:19:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The picture links should work now, hopefully.<br><br>Also, Ms. S is in the shadow plane with Tristeria and the others.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>02-01-2013, 07:58:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So, did we pop directly to Kefka then at night time?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>02-01-2013, 08:12:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It is night, yes. Zaine would definitely feel it if it were otherwise.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>02-01-2013, 08:35:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, in form of extreme sunburns :P. Anyways going delete/repost my post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 05:56:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Quick I have 20k of my starting equipment fun to spend and I don't know what to get!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 06:01:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Do you have a ring of mind shielding?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 06:02:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				1 million chickens.<br>200,000 square yards of canvas.<br>4000 pounds of salt.<br>800 Guard Dogs.<br>20 spyglasses.<br><br><br><br>...or practical stuff, if you want to be all boring about it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 06:14:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A rod of wonder is also always fun and occasionally practical.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 06:17:05</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Fun for the people watching from a safe distance, at least.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 06:21:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7483265#msg7483265">Quote from: ExisD on 04-01-2013, 06:01:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Do you have a ring of mind shielding?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>That is one I am lacking, spend +20K to add more funds from landlord. But plan get it otherwise soon as possible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 07:16:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7483265#msg7483265">Quote from: ExisD on 04-01-2013, 06:01:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Do you have a ring of mind shielding?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Somne of us have spellcasting, and goals that dont immediately bring us to Kafka. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 15:57:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A million chickens it is, then? You'll need a lot of chickens for your Fortress Grand Opening BBQ Celebration, especially if you invite the neighbors.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 17:20:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7484674#msg7484674">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 04-01-2013, 15:57:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">A million chickens it is, then? You'll need a lot of chickens for your Fortress Grand Opening BBQ Celebration, especially if you invite the neighbors.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The chicken idea is a good one indeed!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 17:45:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7484897#msg7484897">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 04-01-2013, 17:20:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The chicken idea is a good one indeed!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Vetoed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>04-01-2013, 22:20:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7484960#msg7484960">Quote from: Autocad on 04-01-2013, 17:45:30</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Vetoed.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>What would Col. Sanders say at your lack of enthusiasm? 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 00:35:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I chose The Lyre of Building and The Mask of Lies <br><br>So we have all the Labor we could ever need. <br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 00:45:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yay. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 00:50:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7486866#msg7486866">Quote from: Kunoichi on 05-01-2013, 00:45:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yay. ^^<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>All building costs are cut down by 30% and the building time is multiplied many fold. I'll just play for a day and months of work will get done. If I really push myself I can build a whole castle in a day if we have the raw materials nearby. If I take my time it will take two weeks. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 01:04:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lyre of Building is kickass for our plans (and able build other bases of operations).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 01:05:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Grumpstone! You don't have to be my bitch to join us. Just don't be an ass hole okay?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 01:12:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				But I'm bussssssssy.......I need my mind slaves, and the Plane of Shadow is severely deficient in mind slaves.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 01:53:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7486977#msg7486977">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 05-01-2013, 01:12:54</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">But I'm bussssssssy.......I need my mind slaves, and the Plane of Shadow is severely deficient in mind slaves.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Oh no problem. I'm probably leaving the plane of shadow soon myself. I might throw up an extradimensional shelter for everyone if they decide to stay on the plane of shadow. What material do we want our stronghold walls made out of? With my Lyre all we need to do is get base materials in the proper location. I'll probably just sweetly ask Astaroth "Uproot 100 trees and bring them over here" that should take care of most of our needs for wood. Then "Roll some boulders over here" might be the next step. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 02:01:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The Lyre will cut labor costs by half, so a 15% total discount on the fortress if we're not already using totally free labor, and we still have to pay for materials even if we're harvesting and processing them ourselves. The Stronghold Builder's Guide is weird sometimes, though I love it anyways.<br><br>I'd suggest Iron as the material personally. Iron and Stone are the only sturdy solid materials that can be permanently created by magic...by the book, casting Wall of Stone at CL12 is -50% to all stone components, and CL16+ is all hewn stone walls for free. Presumably that would be the same for being able to cast Wall of Iron, since the two spells create walls of identical proportions per caster level.<br><br>Iron is also more stylish, it can be black and have spikes and stuff.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 02:04:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7487213#msg7487213">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 05-01-2013, 02:01:17</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">The Lyre will cut labor costs by half, so a 15% total discount on the fortress if we're not already using totally free labor, and we still have to pay for materials even if we're harvesting and processing them ourselves. The Stronghold Builder's Guide is weird sometimes, though I love it anyways.<br><br>I'd suggest Iron as the material personally. Iron and Stone are the only sturdy solid materials that can be permanently created by magic...by the book, casting Wall of Stone at CL12 is -50% to all stone components, and CL16+ is all hewn stone walls for free. Presumably that would be the same for being able to cast Wall of Iron, since the two spells create walls of identical proportions per caster level.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The Lyre will not cut labor costs by 1/2 it will eliminate labor costs and speed building up. One hour of play guts it by 15% two hours completely eliminates labor costs. 4 hours ends up getting the job done in half the time. If I play 8 hours every week we have no labor other then me needed and I end up getting the job done in 1/4th the time. <br><br>Hmm Outer walls of iron with a wooden veneer to make it prettier on each side would work. Thats a lot of walls of Iron for me to start casting though GAH! I need The Belt of the Dread Empress ASAP for that shit. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 02:11:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				True, I was only skimming the Lyre entry in the book. If you're willing to just sit and play music all the time, that's 30% discount on total stronghold costs.<br><br>Iron with Wood exterior is good for now, we can put Obdurium plates on later. I think rather than try to build a competing fortress, I'm just going to move in with everyone else and badger people to keep the entire thing down to a size where we can, at 20th level, pay to slap Flying on the entire thing and have a literal flying castle.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 02:13:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7487269#msg7487269">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 05-01-2013, 02:11:43</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">True, I was only skimming the Lyre entry in the book. If you're willing to just sit and play music all the time, that's 30% discount on total stronghold costs.<br><br>Iron with Wood exterior is good for now, we can put Obdurium plates on later. I think rather than try to build a competing fortress, I'm just going to move in with everyone else and badger people to keep the entire thing down to a size where we can, at 20th level, pay to slap Flying on the entire thing and have a literal flying castle.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>With ponderous architecture falling under the Wondrous Item crafting rules im sure between the two of us we can manage. I'm thinking id like it to look a bit like the Taj Mahal. I think thats one of the most beautiful things ever build in the real world
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 02:37:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7487281#msg7487281">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 05-01-2013, 02:13:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">With ponderous architecture falling under the Wondrous Item crafting rules im sure between the two of us we can manage. I'm thinking id like it to look a bit like the Taj Mahal. I think thats one of the most beautiful things ever build in the real world<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>And we will staff it with Pirates (and later Ninjas too). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo45o69HaKI#ws)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 03:00:12</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				"Ponderous Architecture". Like it's just really slow and heavy. <br><br>I had a dream about some robot ninjas space pirates... It was an awesome dream. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 03:09:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				sigh. The link broke...skip to 5:57, there is a flying time-traveling castle.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 18:57:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, nothing for Aikaterine to do now but keep an eye out until Tristeria gets his question answered and the report comes in from his prying eyes spell.&nbsp; After that, it might be a good idea to put her charisma score to use by plane shifting her to Alaxos.&nbsp; She can get her cohort and followers all gathered, and maybe see what fun there is to be had on that particular material plane.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 19:17:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And just note that soon as base is build there is supposed to be Pain Extractor coming to the base. 65,000gp is expensive stronghold accesory but so damn useful once you have workshop and dungeon full of torture victims (and able feed them).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 19:31:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ahaha Astaroth is using female pronouns for Tristeria. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 19:42:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well his nymph body is :p
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 20:25:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7490434#msg7490434">Quote from: Kimera on 05-01-2013, 19:42:38</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well his nymph body is :p<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Tell that to his lack of breasts and large cock. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 20:28:09</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Galbrezu tempt their victims with wealth and power, succubi are the ones who tempt via passion and sex. Astaroth's not unjustified in not knowing, or mixing up, the physical differences between males and females- it's not his demonic purview.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 20:35:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7490584#msg7490584">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 05-01-2013, 20:28:09</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Galbrezu tempt their victims with wealth and power, succubi are the ones who tempt via passion and sex. Astaroth's not unjustified in not knowing, or mixing up, the physical differences between males and females- it's not his demonic purview.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Tristeria is just that pretty &lt;3
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 23:30:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Crunching Numbers on out stronghold. <br><br>Wall of Iron is a spell only on the Sor/Wiz spell list (Level 6)<br><br>It has the same dimensions as wall of stone so at my caster level I can get us a 50% discount per stronghold space by casting it 11 times per stronghold space. Thats 440 walls of iron for a 40.<br><br>So assuming a stronghold of 40 spaces pure iron walls will cost us 84,000 assuming I cast wall of iron 440 times. <br><br>If we do exterior iron walls and interior stone walls I can planar bind something to cast the walls of stone (A Dao can use wall of stone unlimited times per day. Meaning the whole thing is just a few hours of work for it).<br><br>This would end up costing 42,000 for for the stronghold before we buy components. Unfortunately I still have to cast wall of iron 220 times, not quite sure how I'm going to wing that one.. Assuming we can get some trees hauled over we even have the pretty wooden veneers free. <br><br>If we can simply buy the materials for the stronghold components and I'll lyre them together so all stronghold components are purchased at 70% value.&nbsp; This is assuming we can transport everything through our own power. If we have to use others we end up forking out more coin for "exotic" location. 15% more to be precise. <br><br>Know any outsiders of 12 hd or less that has wizard spellcasting (6th level spells) or can use wall of iron as a SLA? If we just buy the iron rather then have me make it up with magic it costs 84k, or 168k if we don't use stone at all. <br><br>And that gets us an unfurnished stronghold of 40 spaces. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 23:38:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Arcanaloth (MM2) is 12hd and casts as a 12th lvl sorcerer (1 to short i think)<br><br>Edit: A half fiend White ethergaunt: 11HD, casts as a 13th level wizard (or any other half fiend wizard of 12 HD :p)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 23:49:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At 12, Arcanaloth has just enough levels of spellcasting, actually.&nbsp; Though I'm not sure how happy it'll be, getting summoned and bound for the sole purpose of manual labor.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 23:50:32</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7491453#msg7491453">Quote from: Kimera on 05-01-2013, 23:38:19</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Arcanaloth (MM2) is 12hd and casts as a 12th lvl sorcerer (1 to short i think)<br><br>Edit: A half fiend White ethergaunt: 11HD, casts as a 13th level wizard (or any other half fiend wizard of 12 HD :p)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>The Arcanaloth is able to cast it but being a sorcerer and not a wizard means there is a very high chance it wont know the spell.<br><br>Planar binding can bind a half fiend but I don't think I can specify a creature with a template. AH Ive got it! Bind an Arcanaloth and have it give me information to bind another Arcanaloth with the spell I need (or a half field or whatever). I can't specify something like <em>"An Arcanaloth that knows wall of iron"</em> but I can specify <em>"Decarabia Bookeeper of the Prophrion House of Dis"</em> who is an Arcanaloth that knows wall of iron. <br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7491496#msg7491496">Quote from: Kunoichi on 05-01-2013, 23:49:08</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">At 12, Arcanaloth has just enough levels of spellcasting, actually.&nbsp; Though I'm not sure how happy it'll be, getting summoned and bound for the sole purpose of manual labor.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Eh its npt too difficult he just has to cast a spell many times for us. Plus id rather piss of an Arcanaloth than an Ethergaunt.&nbsp; The former is far more likely to consider retribution way to much trouble, and far less likely to actually give us too much of a headache if it does try to cause us trouble later.&nbsp; Ethergaunts however.... *shudders*
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>05-01-2013, 23:57:21</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<br>Don't forget to stack price modifiers. Choosing wall materials is Step 2, and Final Price is Step 5, so we can apply the Lyre's 30% discount to the cost of the walls as well if we have to. Location also matters - the Plane of Shadow is definitely a Lawless area, so that's another -10%, and if we build it near a monster lair, we can get more discounts...11% if there's a Nightwalker living nearby, 13% if there's a Nightcrawler living nearby instead. These will be necessary to counterbalance the +15% premium for an Exotic location. Liberal use of Fabricate can make all the components a bit cheaper as well.<br><br>Can Tristana pull off the UMD check necessary to activate a Bead of Karma? That's +4 CL, bumping him to CL16 and giving us all that Iron for free.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 00:34:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7491532#msg7491532">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 05-01-2013, 23:57:21</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Don't forget to stack price modifiers. Choosing wall materials is Step 2, and Final Price is Step 5, so we can apply the Lyre's 30% discount to the cost of the walls as well if we have to. Location also matters - the Plane of Shadow is definitely a Lawless area, so that's another -10%, and if we build it near a monster lair, we can get more discounts...11% if there's a Nightwalker living nearby, 13% if there's a Nightcrawler living nearby instead. These will be necessary to counterbalance the +15% premium for an Exotic location. Liberal use of Fabricate can make all the components a bit cheaper as well.<br><br>Can Tristana pull off the UMD check necessary to activate a Bead of Karma? That's +4 CL, bumping him to CL16 and giving us all that Iron for free.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I think I can use the Bead of Karma.&nbsp; That would basically let me do it in half the castings. (when we could get it half off with 220 castings, we can get it free with 440).<br><br>Iron walls are 6,000 per SS. - 30% from Lyre they are 4,200, then if I'm doing providing half the iron with magic (11 castings per ss to do so - 22 per ss would make them free) it goes down by a further 50%<br><br>so 2,100 per SS. Plan for 40 SS&nbsp; = 84,000, if we are only doing pouter walls though (a 40 space stronghold has 50% outer-walls) than -50% = 42,000.<br><br>Now boosting my CL to 17 with a bead of karma by the formula they seem to be using in the book will let each time I cast Wall of Iron count as two castings. <br><br>I'm already counting the lyre in the wall cost figure I quoted you. I really acts like fabricate so I doubt it stacks with the bonus for casting fabricate. Plus you'd have to get someone else to cast it since with the lyre I don't need to use crafting skill checks, if we use fabricate I would (and don't have the skill to do so). <br><br>----------<br><br>Okay so I think the initial plan will be Bind a Dao get and get a free 10 SS size stronghold, made of 100% stone, to use for now while we gather everything we need on site. Now we have a place to work from even if is just the basics. One of the 10 SS's will be our crafting station and another the pain pit. ( 12 could work fine too. It doesn't HAVE to be 10)<br><br>When all the materials are finally on site we take the magic equipment out of the small stone house and have all the materials that made it go toward making the big one. Nothing is wasted, and we still have something to work out of for now. <br>---<br><br>Edit: You called him Tristana! His name is Tristeria, after a ritual performed by the Maenads of the cult of Dionysus. With the Pale Enchantress having a character named "Tristana" i can't help but...<br><br>Tristania - Pale Enchantress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMJyNnnR1TE#) 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 02:01:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Tristy, then? I'll never be able to spell it right all the time.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm already counting the lyre in the wall cost figure I quoted you. I really acts like fabricate so I doubt it stacks with the bonus for casting fabricate. Plus you'd have to get someone else to cast it since with the lyre I don't need to use crafting skill checks, if we use fabricate I would (and don't have the skill to do so). </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Look on the table, Fabricate is a separate entry. It gives a scaling discount based on if a Stronghold Component is basic, Improved, or Luxury, and is completely separate from the discounts for casting Wall of Stone/Iron (since those apply to Walls, not Components). And both of those stack with the Lyre, because Labor costs are a proportion to the total cost of the stronghold.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 02:09:00</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7492239#msg7492239">Quote from: TheGlyphstone on 06-01-2013, 02:01:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Tristy, then? I'll never be able to spell it right all the time.<br><br>Look on the table, Fabricate is a separate entry. It gives a scaling discount based on if a Stronghold Component is basic, Improved, or Luxury, and is completely separate from the discounts for casting Wall of Stone/Iron (since those apply to Walls, not Components). And both of those stack with the Lyre, because Labor costs are a proportion to the total cost of the stronghold.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>SO the Lyre on luxury components gives a 70% discount? (SInce it can be used to replicate the effects of the fabricate spell) Awesome! We have this down!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 02:16:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7492273#msg7492273">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 06-01-2013, 02:09:00</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">SO the Lyre on luxury components gives a 70% discount? (SInce it can be used to replicate the effects of the fabricate spell) Awesome! We have this down!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Yup. Just remember to calculate the total cost of the stronghold, with all its other discounts, before you factor in the Lyre's 30% discount for free labor.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 02:57:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Either way, we'll still be starting with stone, and gradually upgrading to iron as the game goes on, right? ^^; I kinda like having a basic plan for the near future.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 05:27:33</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7492512#msg7492512">Quote from: Kunoichi on 06-01-2013, 02:57:59</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Either way, we'll still be starting with stone, and gradually upgrading to iron as the game goes on, right? ^^; I kinda like having a basic plan for the near future.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Partly True. It would take too much time to create the whole thing in stone that piece by piece convert to iron. We will make a smaller one in stone then stockpile the iron (and other mats) until we can build the full stronghold. Does anyone need a special type of room that isn't a given? I want to keep the stone one under 20 SS so we aren't spending too long trying to get it up and running. I will just planar bind a Dao and have him create the building outright. Wont even take but a few hours to have a reasonable large keep ready to be furnished and used. <br><br>Again if anyone can fine something that has wall of iron as an at will we could get the whole stronghold up in hours. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 05:52:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; Looking through the book I think we'll want Bathrooms of at least Fancy quality, multiple Barracks, Bedrooms and Armories for followers, Common Areas and Dining Halls, maybe a little Courtyard space, Kitchens, Guardposts, probably some Servants' Quarters...&nbsp; Ah, and I imagine you'll want a Throne Room, and I wouldn't mind having a Basic Library with books on Religion and The Planes and a Fancy Bedroom Suite all to myself, if that's okay.<br><br>Although, considering that the above list is likely to go way over the limit and that we only really need the basics at the moment, I think we can trim off the follower-related stuff for now. ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 16:11:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I only ask the stronghold has room for me and bathrooms and such as Kunoichi said.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>06-01-2013, 16:26:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Same here
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>09-01-2013, 03:06:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				SO uh....that post. Should have been part of the pervious one.&nbsp; SO I guess we talk to the woman now. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>09-01-2013, 04:10:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it probably should have, at least for the Shadow plane group.&nbsp; Aikaterine's decided she's going to be obnoxious.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>14-01-2013, 21:05:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7509325#msg7509325">Quote from: Kunoichi on 09-01-2013, 04:10:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Yeah, it probably should have, at least for the Shadow plane group.&nbsp; Aikaterine's decided she's going to be obnoxious.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br><br>You said all the good stuff!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-01-2013, 04:45:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				xD I'll let you be the one to snark when Aika gets a response, then.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>15-01-2013, 05:02:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I may try to come up with some extra snark anyway if it doesn't move soon. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-01-2013, 06:18:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, this has definitely been dragging on.&nbsp; It's pretty much been a full week, now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>15-01-2013, 17:49:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just to show I'm still around. I'm merely waiting the reaction of Autocad's NPC
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>16-01-2013, 11:00:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Same here, waiting NPC's response.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-01-2013, 16:59:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Autocad's on vacation or something, based on the Pathfinder game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>16-01-2013, 21:34:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...I see.&nbsp; It probably would have been nice to get a notification of some sort about this, but oh well.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>16-01-2013, 21:41:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				The game so far has been a very slow crawl anyways
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>16-01-2013, 21:46:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				He didn't tell us there either, just a 'level up, IC will happen when I come back'. No mention of when he'd be back.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>17-01-2013, 10:20:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Autocad said in other game that his vaccation takes a week.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>20-01-2013, 13:40:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm baaaaack! In case you didn't notice, I had an absence thread which was linked to in my signature.<br><br>Please include a list of on-going effects (true seeing, for example, etc., and so forth, and so on) in each IC post for the sake of my sanity. Thanks!<br><br>For Alaxos's excursion, he'll know the relevant details for whatever he's planning to do. (World-building is not in the cards before the party reunites, at least.)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>21-01-2013, 22:42:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yay all is well, I'll write something later today &lt;3
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>22-01-2013, 04:20:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'll make my post after Pale. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>22-01-2013, 04:32:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7571444#msg7571444">Quote from: Autocad on 20-01-2013, 13:40:22</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm baaaaack! In case you didn't notice, I had an absence thread which was linked to in my signature.<br><br>Please include a list of on-going effects (true seeing, for example, etc., and so forth, and so on) in each IC post for the sake of my sanity. Thanks!<br><br>For Alaxos's excursion, he'll know the relevant details for whatever he's planning to do. (World-building is not in the cards before the party reunites, at least.)<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Part of my plan was setting up an organization of some kind, probably charitable, that could be left self-sustaining in my absence and provide a ready pool of mind-whammy believers for me to draw on when I needed replacements, so I was looking to see what niche I could fill.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>22-01-2013, 16:46:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				That's... probably going to be difficult without a large amount of capital&nbsp; :P<br><br>If you have any specific questions, I can answer them.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>22-01-2013, 17:56:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay...can you tell me the local government? Theocracy, dictatorship, democracy, monarchy?<br><br>All I really need from the place is my cohort/s and followers.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Autocad</strong> on <strong>29-01-2013, 17:18:36</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Checking up on everyone's health... has everyone been struck down by flu like me? :P
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>29-01-2013, 17:55:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*meekly raises hand*<br><br>38.6 degrees here, headache, coughing blegh.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-01-2013, 19:15:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm still in good shape, though I've had work and school taking up more time than I would have preferred.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>PaleEnchantress</strong> on <strong>30-01-2013, 19:31:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				WHY CANT I SHAKE THIS COUGH! It feels like its been lingering forever!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>30-01-2013, 19:39:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm not sick, work has just exploded in the amount I have to do each day.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kimera</strong> on <strong>30-01-2013, 22:36:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7639294#msg7639294">Quote from: ExisD on 30-01-2013, 19:39:52</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm not sick, work has just exploded in the amount I have to do each day.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Same here. barely have time to make posts for the last week
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>ExisD</strong> on <strong>31-01-2013, 06:45:03</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm trying to figure out what the best way past this guard is and drawing a blank, any ideas?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Zaer Darkwail</strong> on <strong>31-01-2013, 12:35:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ask him politely come down the tower with excuse of bad hearing and so let me use dominate gaze on him? As I damn do not want back track to next town and get stuck there as I cannot travel in broad daylight. So either we trick guard now or you need carry me in a coffin (or some container to smuggle me in).<br><br>If they are touchy to inspect the crates they find soon a smoking and angry vampire jump at them from opened crate. Although if using heavily concealed carriage could also work. It worked in Vampire Hunter D.<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7639236#msg7639236">Quote from: PaleEnchantress on 30-01-2013, 19:31:45</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">WHY CANT I SHAKE THIS COUGH! It feels like its been lingering forever!<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Although my family is shit poor they find some amazing useful junk in scrapyards and manage repair them. One of them was low power using steam mask (mostly used by those who have lung cancer or otherwise collapsed lungs). Place water to container and you can deeply inhale water steam to your lungs for 10-20 minutes. It definately makes you cough and puke blegh but it makes the slime move in your lungs instead make dry coughs which lead to no where.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>TheGlyphstone</strong> on <strong>31-01-2013, 15:33:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=160006.msg7643961#msg7643961">Quote from: ExisD on 31-01-2013, 06:45:03</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">I'm trying to figure out what the best way past this guard is and drawing a blank, any ideas?<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Fire. Fire is always a solution. It may be a solution that creates more problems, but those problems can also be solved with fire.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: [Project Blackguard] OOC</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-02-2013, 04:26:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; I suppose it is true that that enough fire can solve any problem, for a given definition of 'solved'...
			</dd>
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