Tomb of Bondage [ooc]
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		<h2 id="linktree">Play-By-Post: Extreme =&gt; Extreme Small Groups =&gt; Topic started by: BigBuckBob on 22-02-2013, 23:19:39</h2>
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				Title: <strong>Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>22-02-2013, 23:19:39</strong>
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				Alright folks, we have begun.&nbsp; <br><br>http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166550.0 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166550.0)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>22-02-2013, 23:21:57</strong>
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				Awesome!&nbsp; Been looking forward to this one for days now.<br><br><br>How are we handling 'turns'?&nbsp; For example, can we post whenever or should we go in order?&nbsp; From my own experience..room order makes things more organized..just a LOT slower.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>23-02-2013, 01:00:50</strong>
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				Post as soon as you are able. If you are waiting on a fellow poster, than say so. I don't want us standing around waiting for each other.<br><br>Bob has a plan, but he needs to see if Jack jumps into the fray before getting to it.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>23-02-2013, 05:07:49</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Bob, shouldn't this be in Small Groups, not Solo?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>23-02-2013, 05:26:40</strong>
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				What Rhaegar said.<br><br>Also, Siereis, if you don't mind, I think a slight edit might be in order. ^^; BigBuckBob mentioned in the interest thread that Lethiel's Divination spells will probably be necessary to find the Tomb.&nbsp; Considering that, it may be a good idea to change your destination from heading out of town to find the Tomb to something else.&nbsp; Perhaps Alice and Trakas could head to a local inn to get in touch with the person who put up the notice?<br><br>And then that person could be a certain grey elf Wizard who is looking to assemble a party to take on the Tomb and take out the cult...
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>23-02-2013, 05:45:45</strong>
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				Good point ill edit by morning.<br><br>&nbsp; ...and editted.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>23-02-2013, 22:05:41</strong>
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				Yes, that was an accident.<br><br>I will get them moved.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-02-2013, 06:50:42</strong>
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				And my intro's up. ^^; Sorry it's a bit shorter than everyone else's but Lethiel isn't really doing much at the moment.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>24-02-2013, 22:53:50</strong>
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				Giving marie a little more time.<br><br>Feel free to meet each other in the meantime.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>25-02-2013, 04:57:23</strong>
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				Ahh, managed to get out a much longer post that time. ^^ Hope I didn't go overboard with Lethiel's grey elven arrogance.&nbsp; I was trying to keep it subtle.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>25-02-2013, 09:54:16</strong>
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				Everybody was doing it! *Shakes head in self-disappointment.* I gave in to the peer pressure. My dialogue is all colorful now.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>inflatetress</strong> on <strong>26-02-2013, 16:20:27</strong>
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				Hia guys, in past versions of Tomb games I've played a member of the Sisterhood of Succro, which is basically a sisterhood of enchantresses/seductresses that have an so far unclear version in the tomb.&nbsp; After letting BBB I was interested in this new version of the game, he suggested I throw the idea out here on the forums to see if you guys would be interested in that dynamic.&nbsp; In the past, (as Kunoichi can tell you!) the sisters have been little more than monster/trap bait and it's unlikely they will last very long as they are not totally suited for dungeon dwelling, of course that's fine with me!&nbsp; Anyway let me or BBB know what you think, I won't be hurt if you'd rather not worry about that dynamic of the story this time, but in the past it has lead to some memorable moments!&nbsp; &nbsp;;)
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>26-02-2013, 23:16:28</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Well I certainly don't mind, though you'll have to deal with constant rescue attempts from the two goody two-shoes characters.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>27-02-2013, 03:26:25</strong>
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				Speaking from personal experience playing alongside Inflatetress in the past, I'd have to say that those Sisterhood characters tend to work best in neutral-to-evil groups.&nbsp; People who would be more likely to stand by and let the monsters have their fun, or even take entertainment in watching them get taken advantage of.&nbsp; With a predominantly good-aligned group like the one we've got now, the most realistic outcome of a sister trying to join the party would probably be the group convincing her to stay back in town. ^^;<br><br>That said, if BBB wanted to run multiple games at once, I certainly wouldn't mind joining up with one that more heavily involves the Sisterhood.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>27-02-2013, 08:08:23</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Kunoichi, I love everything about you using the word Gygaxian.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>27-02-2013, 08:36:37</strong>
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				I thought it was fitting. ;D
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>01-03-2013, 07:30:51</strong>
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				A party of 3.5 level ten adventurers. A smaller party but higher level than recomended.<br><br>Inflatress I might have a place for a Sister somewhere in the bowels of the tomb but kuno is right. This set of characters would be spending a lot of time saving you. Pm me for details.<br><br>---<br>Despite the many rumors of an eery hill in the middle of a vast wasteland... in the middle of a swamp... surrounded by a lush dense completely dead forest as the various rumors went the oracles efforts have discovered the tomb resides in a nearby mountain. <br><br>You are all currently in a room above the tavern... so unless you want me to start a fire I think we are waiting on player characters
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>01-03-2013, 07:40:04</strong>
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				Hey man, busy couple of days. I'm posting momentarily. XD
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>01-03-2013, 09:24:41</strong>
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				<br><br>Not trying to put pressure down. Just that Slow posts were the most deadly thing about my last attempt at this. So keeping an eye on the flow.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>02-03-2013, 07:18:14</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Way too tired from work today to post, unfortunately. &gt;&lt;; I'd try to get one out after resting, but I also have work early tomorrow, so I have to get to sleep soon.&nbsp; That said, I'm definitely going to post tomorrow.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>03-03-2013, 06:46:25</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, posted. ^^ Probably a good idea to wrap things up in town now, and let our DM begin the introduction to the Tomb.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>04-03-2013, 04:32:11</strong>
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				Sorry guys, I've been out of town for the weekend with no real Internet access. I'll try to get a post up before bed tonight, but no promises.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>06-03-2013, 19:42:28</strong>
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				Ahh, time for me to ask an excessive number of questions. Could a Knowledge (Nature) check tell me anything about the webs? Does Roland appear to notice anything (fleshrakers have scent)?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>07-03-2013, 12:21:58</strong>
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				I'm almost positive that a nature check will give you information about how natural something is.<br><br>And roland has a variety of smells to inhale. In fact after displaying a keen interest in all five paths, he takes a special interest in the natural pathway.<br><br>I will try to get a post up tomorrow, but the simple result is that the webs do not indicate magic, but the ruins do. Weak and dim, but present.<br><br>I'm enjoying the narrative flow of the thread, so if anyone rolls anything please post it here. Or pm it to me.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>07-03-2013, 18:56:55</strong>
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				Alright, here's my spellcraft check for determining the school of magic on the runes.<br><br>Spellcraft check. (1d20+21=23) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3961097/)<br><br>The DC is 15 + spell level, so if I can't identify them, they're probably a 9th-level spell. &gt;&gt;;
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>07-03-2013, 22:54:26</strong>
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				Alright Bob, I'm going to just take 10 on my Nature check to know the stuff you pmed me. That gives Trakas a 27. I take it that's enough?
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>09-03-2013, 21:38:39</strong>
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				Yes, Trakas knows what I told you.<br><br>I listed where my mind has each of you inside the cavern,&nbsp; correct me if I am wrong.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>10-03-2013, 00:19:54</strong>
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				That's about right, though I'm a little confused where you placed Roland. But remember, the animal companion is not intelligent, and I do not technically control him; you do. Also, you never got back to me on whether I can just pick tricks (commands) to teach him up to his total allotment.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>10-03-2013, 05:13:24</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				The current positioning of everyone within the cavern works for me.&nbsp; And Lethiel is open to suggestions on which path to take, if anyone wants to make a compelling argument.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>10-03-2013, 06:09:40</strong>
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				At the risk of using metagame logic, I vote Orcs. It seems like a relatively low-risk option that will give us an opportunity to see how well our characters synergize and how well we all work together in combat.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>10-03-2013, 09:59:37</strong>
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				Feel free tometgame this info- the orc sidequest is somewhat detailed and only a dash or two of main plot payoff.<br><br>But there is loot. And someone to save.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>15-03-2013, 02:57:28</strong>
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				Alright. Time for more interrogation.<br><br>How many feet are between us and the pair of Orcs? Has Lethiel's elemental gone down the full length of the corridor?<br><br>Also, the biggest facepalm. I just realized I've been completely neglecting to mention the studded leather barding Roland wears.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>15-03-2013, 03:13:07</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm thinking I'm probably going to open with a Glitterdust on those orcs, especially if we'll be getting a surprise round on them.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>15-03-2013, 12:19:45</strong>
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				Most of my posting is by phone. But I need to study a bit before we get too far. The light source and tunnel <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">shape let you see them before they see you. But the elemental is in front which impedes that. You can certainly hear them grunting and panting and they have diminished awareness. Final answer formulating </blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>18-03-2013, 10:40:08</strong>
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				atet post should answer those questions.<br><br>And no worries, I still haven't remembered to look at Fido&nbsp; myself. Shoud have time the next couple days.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 00:27:33</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				For the record, since I'm sure this will be asked about at some point: no, Roland does not have proficiency with any kind of armor. However, wearing armor you're nonproficient in only carries a penalty (in addition to any penalties the armor might impose) of applying the Armor Check Penalty to your attack rolls. Masterwork Studded Leather has no Armor Check Penalty, so Roland can wear it with no drawbacks.<br><br>Also, if I've got this right, they're within 40-50 feet of us, but not within line of sight, correct? And just a SMALL technicality, but are any of us actually carrying a light source? XD
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 05:30:27</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Lethiel is carrying a sword that sheds light as a torch, I'm afraid. ^^;
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 05:35:11</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay. Exalted Wild Shape gives me on-demand Darkvision (Celestial template applied to all forms, get Supernatural and Extraordinary abilities of Wild Shape forms), but that doesn't really help anyone else, and I'm not shapeshifted right now.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 09:14:17</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				You'll still be getting a surprise round.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 21:09:37</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, so if we get a surprise round, this is how I see combat going:<br><br>1) We come around the corner as a group.<br><br>2) Surprise Round triggers. Everybody delays until after Lethiel.<br><br>3) Lethiel drops <em>Glitterdust</em>, crippling the Orcs if they fail their saves.<br><br>4) Roland and Alice charge separate targets. Roland will go after the one that makes his save, if one (and only one) does so, since a Leaping Pounce is pretty crippling.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>19-03-2013, 22:07:26</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Sounds like a good plan to me. ^^ I won't be able to make a proper IC post for it until later this evening though.
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>22-03-2013, 03:00:55</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Okay, I filled in my placeholder post. ^^ Lethiel stopped at the minimum distance needed to get line of effect on the orcs, which I'm assuming is the 20 ft. mentioned in our DM's last post.&nbsp; She then started off the surprise round with a glitterdust (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/glitterdust.htm), aimed at the poor unfortunate girl caught between the two orcs.&nbsp; 10 ft radius spread, enough to catch both orcs in the area of effect, and it's a DC 19 Will save against blindness.<br><br>The girl is also caught in the blast, but since the spell's non-lethal, Lethiel doesn't particularly care.<br><br>And, since we'll have to be rolling initiative soon...&nbsp; Initiative roll. (1d20+10=17) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3983779/)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>22-03-2013, 07:56:19</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry I've been quiet recently..home internet died.&nbsp; It will be back as of Sunday so ill catch back up then.&nbsp; Sorry for delay!
			</dd>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>23-03-2013, 02:47:00</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Glad you're still with us, Siereis. ^^
			</dd>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>23-03-2013, 23:50:02</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Good to hear from you Siereis.
			</dd>
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				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 04:36:37</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry on the radio silence; see signature.<br><br>Bob, I need to know which of the Orcs, if either, saved against Glitterdust before I make my post. (I also need to update Roland's stat block to apply Warbeast, but I'll get to that tonight.)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 05:13:05</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				I need your initiative roll and if needed, what your delayed initiative score will be.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 08:31:47</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ooh, watch out! Here's my 4:<br><br>At 2013-03-24 01:30:36, Rhaegar14 (uid: 28142) rolls: 1d20 Result: 4 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=45128)<br><br>So I'm probably going last. Do we all get a surprise round or just Lethiel?<br><br>Oh, and of course, Roland gets a natural 1: At 2013-03-24 01:45:56, Rhaegar14 (uid: 28142) rolls: 1d20a5 Result: 6 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=45129)
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 17:06:08</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				Ray- There is a post for me to make before yours.<br><br>And Siri, roll initiative. If you act before Kuno,please post. Otherwise I shall post.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 20:50:03</strong>
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			<dd class="postbody">
				If it helps, Rhaegar, I only got a seven on my roll. ^^; I just made sure to invest in a few initiative boosts.
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			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>24-03-2013, 22:09:38</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Trakas can get them if he's prepared. Wild Shape and all. But this encounter is not at all worth burning a Wild Shape on.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 01:00:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alice initiative roll: 1d20 + 0 = 17<br><br>Oh and posted as well..once again sorry for the delay!
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 05:28:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm...&nbsp; I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Siereis, but we really need to get your character sheet fixed.&nbsp; Even if you decide to stick with the Paladin class, you should have much better equipment than you've currently got. ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 06:43:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Don't worry...I'm a hard one to insult.&nbsp; And ya..I'll look into equipment tomorrow and post my ideas.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 06:56:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright. ^^ I'll be here to offer up my opinion on that matter, and I'm sure Rhaegar will have some helpful advice, too.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 07:00:20</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg7946368#msg7946368">Quote from: Kunoichi on 26-03-2013, 05:28:47</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Hmm...&nbsp; I hope you don't take this the wrong way, Siereis, but we really need to get your character sheet fixed.&nbsp; Even if you decide to stick with the Paladin class, you should have much better equipment than you've currently got. ^^;<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Some thoughts on your equipment, Siereis: A +2 greatsword and half-plate (and I can't see a reason why you're not in full plate) leaves you with just about 40,000 gp, and 17 AC is not enough for a 10th-level frontline combatant. For comparison, Lethiel can hit a 17 with her rapier on an 11, and she has absolutely no business attacking anyone with aforementioned rapier. Trakas can hit 17 on a 10 with his unarmed strike, without even wild shaping or putting buffs up, and he really doesn't have any business attacking (without being wild shaped) either. Roland, on a charge, will hit 17 with his claws on like a 3, and with his tail or bite on an 8.<br><br>Offenses are largely a function of level, but defenses for non-casters are almost solely a function of equipment. You need more than half-plate. Kunoichi and I would both be more than willing to recommend some things you can spend your money on, all you need to do is ask. :-)<br><br>I might also recommend you look at some alternative options for feats (again, Kunoichi and I can make suggestions). In general, a feat that boosts skill checks is a waste of a feat unless it's a prerequisite for something.<br><br>Also, the both of you made posts while I was writing this, so if it doesn't sound quite right, just go along with it. XD
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 08:44:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I recomend studded leather and a wooden dagger.<br><br>And the blind and slow hindrences.<br><br>And replace your d20s with standard dice.<br><br>====<br>Good news everyone. You got an invisible opponent mad at you.<br>Should be able to get a post tommorow.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>26-03-2013, 19:36:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I hope he's mad because I tagged him with Glitterdust. ^^; At least that way, he won't be invisible anymore...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>27-03-2013, 00:56:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...So the invisible attacker gets to act during the surprise round?&nbsp; Then again, that would make sense, since we probably didn't catch it by surprise at all.<br><br>I'm guessing the invisibility also keeps us from using Knowledge skills to identify it?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>27-03-2013, 02:56:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				BigBuckBob, how high up, about, is the cloud-thing? I want to know if Roland can reach it on a jump.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>27-03-2013, 10:45:10</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Correct it was not surprised.<br>You can try a knowledge check. The dust is giving it a specific non shape.<br><br>And about chest level with the orcs
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>27-03-2013, 10:58:45</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Oh, so he can definitely reach it. Will Knowledge (Nature) tell me anything? I'm not gonna make the check and wait on a reply from you if it's not going to be useful.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 00:33:07</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				A good knowledge check will always tell you something. How useful it is, up to interpretation.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 01:05:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Identifying monsters is explicitly divided up among certain skills, however. ^^; Elementals and Outsiders are covered under Knowledge (The Planes), for instance, Dragons under Knowledge (Arcana)...&nbsp; Since I've got 4 separate Knowledge skills and letting us know which skill to roll would probably let us identify the monster OOC, I'll just make one roll and list what the results would be with each of my different skills.&nbsp; That way, if I have an appropriate skill to identify it, you can tell me whether I'm successful or not, but if I don't, you can just say I don't succeed and it won't help us to narrow down what the monster is.<br><br>Knowledge roll. (1d20=7) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3994759/)<br><br>Knowledge (Arcana) = 26<br>Knowledge (Dungeoneering) = 23<br>Knowledge (Religion) = 29<br>Knowledge (The Planes) = 23
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 08:58:15</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Positively identified as an air elemental. Hard to get much more detail about those guys.<br><br><br>Nature check: definately not a naturally formed cloud. 
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 23:35:47</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok so if it's not obvious by now...I'm rather a 'noob' when it comes to D&amp;D..especially anything beyond the basics.&nbsp; Because of this please forgive me as I struggle through it.<br><br>Regardless, I've edited my character page to include new items (with that rather lovely help from our Druid) and here's what I've added:<br>1) Exchanged +2 Greatsword for "Holy" Greatsword...much more theme appropriate for her.&nbsp; However...when the rules say "+2 price" what does that mean?<br>2) Belt of Giant's Strength: +4 Str, 16000 gold.<br>3) Exchanged Half Plate for +1 Full Plate: +2 more AC, 2000 gold.<br>4) Ring of Protection + 1: +1 AC, 2000 gold.<br>5) Amulet of Protection +1: +1 AC, 2000 gold.<br>6) +1 Animated Heavy Shield: +3 AC, no hands required, 9000 gold.<br><br>http://3.roleplaychat.org/profile.php?user=Alice%20Ironsoul (http://3.roleplaychat.org/profile.php?user=Alice%20Ironsoul)<br><br>Additionally, Rhaegar wanted to check to make sure I had added +1 to a stat every 4 levels.&nbsp; Yes, my character sheet reflects this already...it might not be as apperent since I had to distribute my stats among Str, Con, Wis, and Chr.<br><br>Any other useful Feedback?&nbsp; For now I have NOT implemented these changes IC...I will after I make sure this is fine.<br><br>LASTLY!&nbsp; BBB....did you anticipate having dropped loot in this RP?&nbsp; I think that'd be rather awesome.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 23:40:58</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				When it says Price: +2, it means that the Holy enchantment costs the same as increasing the enhancement bonus of the sword by +2. Also, you need at least a +1 enhancement bonus to apply a property, and I'm not sure you have enough for that (it'll bump up the cost of the Greatsword by 10,000 gp or so). Also, the numbers I gave you for the shield and armor are rounded, though if BBB just wants to let it go I'm not going to argue it.<br><br>I'm really sorry I haven't been posting guys, I had two tests this week. It's been hectic. I'll be putting one up shortly and my response rate should be returning to normal.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 23:45:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ah ok..going back to read back through the rule's page again.&nbsp; Thanks..<br><br>Also, I saw Kunoichi recommend we use ~49k gold but did we ever decide on an actual number yet?<br><br><br>And no worries about being busy...Ah school...how I don't miss you yet.&nbsp; *wink* Graduated college back in December and been relaxing ever since.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>28-03-2013, 23:53:28</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				There's a table of Character Wealth by Level hidden in the Dungeon Master's Guide on page 135 (it's in Chapter 5: Campaigns for some stupid reason). Unless the DM says otherwise, you use this table to determine the starting gold of characters above 1st level. The given value for 10th-level characters is 49,000 gp. It's a general guideline, but not a rule unless the DM chooses to enforce it, that you can't spend more than half your wealth on a single item (though with the stuff you have that's not really relevant).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 00:05:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Exchanging half plate for full comes with the provision that your character picture remains the same.<br><br>-------<br>More from the knowledge rolls.<br><br>unrolled nature-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Not a cloud<br>Knowledge (Dungeoneering) = 23&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Not from around here<br>Knowledge (Religion) = 29&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Not a god<br>Knowledge (The Planes) = 23&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Air Elemental<br>Knowledge (Arcana) = 26&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Deducing from the other info, most likely summoned here.<br><br>
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 00:12:56</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bob, I'd argue that both Trakas and Lethiel would be highly familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of Air Elementals. Lethiel can summon them literally at-will, and Trakas can spontaneously cast <em>Summon Nature's Ally</em> and summon one with any spell slot 2nd-level or above.<br><br>Kunoichi, do you want to try talking, rather than killing? Lethiel speaks Auran, doesn't she?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 00:19:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg7961146#msg7961146">Quote from: BigBuckBob on 29-03-2013, 00:05:57</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Exchanging half plate for full comes with the provision that your character picture remains the same.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Any particular reason why you say that?&nbsp; Just curious.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 00:21:02</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm.&nbsp; BBB, when you say it's an Air Elemental, do you mean the actual creature with that name, or that it's a creature of the Elemental type with the Air subtype?&nbsp; It's an important distinction.<br><br>And Lethiel does speak Auran, Rhaegar, but she's got very little in the way of social skills, sadly.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 00:43:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg7961240#msg7961240">Quote from: Siereis on 29-03-2013, 00:19:55</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Any particular reason why you say that?&nbsp; Just curious.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Because eye candy. XD<br><br>Alright Kunoichi, I just figured we might want to consider it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 01:42:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				k- Elemental with the subtype air.<br><br>r- I agree that identifying the creature will gain you an edge based on your characters personal history with the creature.<br><br>s- Just that its a sexy picture. not actually going to stop you from changing it.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 02:06:39</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At 2013-03-28 19:04:54, Rhaegar14 (uid: 28142) rolls: 1d20a17 Result: 21 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=45340)<br><br>Alright, 21 on my Nature check. God damn. The Elliquiy Dice Bot hates me lately. I haven't gotten above a natural 10 on my last six d20 rolls lol.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 03:06:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Eh, my rolls at Invisible Castle have been a bit mediocre, too.<br><br>I think I'll wait until seeing the result of everyone's attacks before making my next post.&nbsp; Lethiel can only act again once we start up the regular initiative order, so she might not even need to toss acid at anything, depending on how these next few attacks go. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 04:31:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I need to know how Roland's full attack went before I fill in Trakas' actions (assuming the thing isn't insubstantial, it went pretty well lol).
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 09:51:55</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				short version: roland wins<br>And vengence will be fun.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-03-2013, 10:15:04</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright. I'll fill in the fluffy bits tomorrow, but Trakas is going to cast Extended Barkskin on himself if you want to go ahead and post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>30-03-2013, 21:46:50</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Let me rephrase.<br><br>Roland pounces on top of the thing, claws and bites until he and the dust drop to the floor.<br><br>For all appearances the only enemy left is a single blinded orc. With a girl's face in his lap.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>31-03-2013, 06:54:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, that took a little longer than planned. Post updated.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>31-03-2013, 23:04:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Just a quick note about initiative...what is our order?&nbsp; Now that it looks like everyone has posted, I can use Alice to 'go' again correct?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>31-03-2013, 23:10:11</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				You and Kunoichi got the same check, so I think it defaults to highest Dexterity. I'm after the both of you and probably the Orc. I'm pretty sure if you just posted and killed him it would be fine.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Siereis</strong> on <strong>31-03-2013, 23:29:52</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ok ya....I went ahead and posted...mostly since the Orc really doesn't have much of a chance anyway.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-04-2013, 04:35:57</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lethiel has the higher Dexterity, but I'm willing to let Alice take down the second orc.&nbsp; Trying to decide right now whether or not I want to expend a spell slot on See Invisibility.<br><br>Anyone else have any potential methods to check for more invisible foes?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>02-04-2013, 09:03:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Desmodu Hunting Bat Wild Shape (or a more simple/less awesome Dire Bat) has Blindsight/Blindsense, respectively. I could fly around and limit my contributions to a fight or two to Roland and Summons. How long does <em>See Invisibility</em> last again?<br><br>I'm going to have Trakas say this on my next post, but Siereis, you may want to have Alice sweep the girl with <em>Detect Evil.</em> Something's not right here, but I can't put my finger on what. Better safe than sorry.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>02-04-2013, 09:12:23</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				At the level we're currently at, See Invis will last for 100 minutes.&nbsp; I'll probably end up giving up my one memorization of Greater Slide to power it if I decide to cast it.<br><br>Also, in addition to the Detect Evil, is anyone here trained in Sense Motive?&nbsp; The check to detect mind control is pretty easy.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>02-04-2013, 09:16:48</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				According to Alice's character sheet, she has something like a +16. Two birds, one stone haha.<br><br>I think <em>See Invisibility</em> may be the better option, with the Wild Shape as a backup if we need it. Forcing Trakas to maintain a single animal form reduces his combat utility pretty significantly, plus without magical aid that isn't on his spell list he can't talk. Your thoughts?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>02-04-2013, 09:39:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Ooh, nice. ^^ Looks like Alice is really going to be coming in handy, then.<br><br>Yeah, that sounds about right.&nbsp; Now it's just a question of whether I want to use up the spell slot or not.<br><br>Edit: Ugh, I should just come right out with it.&nbsp; Rhaegar, Siereis, do you two think I should spend a spell slot on See Invisibility right now, or not?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>03-04-2013, 00:14:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				If only there was a way for you to hear me rolling dice while you were having this conversation...
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>03-04-2013, 02:54:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Well, that's not at all a weird reaction to lizard-speak. XD<br><br>Edit: Kuno, I'd say cast it. It's one spell slot, and one of your lowest-levels at that. Not being aware of invisible creatures all around us could easily get us killed.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>04-04-2013, 19:15:35</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Lethiel casts See Invisibility (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/seeInvisibility.htm), which lasts for 140 hours, thanks to her Oracle Domain caster level bonus.&nbsp; If it should turn out that any of the enemies that she then goes around hitting with her Acidic Splatter reserve feat weren't dead and were merely faking, they take 5d6 acid damage, unless they give themselves away by trying to avoid the attack.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>05-04-2013, 05:41:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Siereis, you should probably edit a Sense Motive check into your post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>05-04-2013, 05:46:49</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeah, it's DC 25 to detect if a person is charmed, and DC 15 to check if they're being outright controlled.&nbsp; You've got a decent chance of making both of those DCs. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>06-04-2013, 21:23:24</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And it looks like the bad die roll curse strikes again. :P Still, it should be enough to tell if the girl is being outright controlled, at the very least.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>13-04-2013, 06:28:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Hmm, I think that another Sense Motive roll might be in order at this point.&nbsp; It seems like something that was effecting the girl has worn off, even if it wasn't a charm or compulsion effect.<br><br>Probably also time to change tactics when talking to the girl.&nbsp; Since Trakas was playing bad cop, Alice's social skills would probably make her the best good cop out of the group. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>15-04-2013, 08:04:18</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				And maybe a Listen check, since she appears to be alerted by SOMETHING. And I've been waiting on somebody else to make a post, but I'll make one tomorrow night if nobody wants to take that torch. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>17-04-2013, 08:59:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Yeesh. I'm a dirty, dirty liar. Putting up a post now.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>17-04-2013, 09:25:22</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I was planning on waiting until the full interrogation was done before making a post for Lethiel. ^^; She's mostly just keeping an eye out and letting Trakas take the lead on getting information.&nbsp; Though, since a change of tactics is needed, I suppose she could swap a spell slot out for Detect Thoughts.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>18-04-2013, 00:06:29</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I would push you forward, but your actions during this interrogation are relevant.<br><br>As such, I would like a post from everyone. In particular reaction to his tactics.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>18-04-2013, 05:02:44</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, I got my post out. ^^
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>18-04-2013, 06:03:17</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				*Checks Siereis' profile for last activity and sees signature.*<br><br>"CURRENTLY ON VACATION - TOO BUSY TO POST"<br><br>Huh. That's useful information.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>18-04-2013, 06:10:06</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Looks like we may be in for a small wait. ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>23-04-2013, 08:23:54</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Further review indicates we move on.<br><br>The paladin seems to have been suddenly struck dumb. But she is surveying the room and seems to be at the ready if more orcs show up... so it probably nothing. (If there are no signs of life in another week...something.)<br><br>In the meantime keep trying to deal with the human.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>24-04-2013, 03:24:16</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Alright, I think that makes it Rhaegar's turn to post, then. ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>26-04-2013, 02:02:19</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				...And it's starting to look like sending PMs out to people might be necessary... &gt;&gt;;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>26-04-2013, 05:50:41</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Sorry lol. Busy week; three exams.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>29-04-2013, 08:36:59</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				So...&nbsp; I'm guessing this latest plot development is partly my fault for taking so long to reply? ^^;
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>29-04-2013, 09:34:27</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				It was a collaborative effort.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>29-04-2013, 19:23:26</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I think that sending out PMs may have been a better idea, to be honest.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>29-04-2013, 20:29:08</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Bob, I'd like to point out the following. Between Lethiel, Trakas, and Roland (whom Trakas can still speak to, Speak With Animals has a 10 minute duration and it's MAYBE been five since he cast it), we have the following at our disposal:<br><br><ul class="bbc_list"><li type="disc">See Invisibility</li><li type="disc">Scent</li><li type="disc">Spot and Listen +18</li><li type="disc">Will +9 and +12 (disbelieve illusions)</li><li type="disc">Spellcraft +21 and +15</li><li type="disc">A whole slew of other Knowledge checks</li></ul>And yet, you are telling us that, while the two of us are standing <em>directly adjacent</em> to Alice, she and two other characters (including my animal companion, who is trained to make noise when he detects new creatures) have literally just <em>vanished</em> into thin air, and we have <em>no</em> idea why?<br><br>I ultimately can't challenge Rule 0, but that doesn't strike you as a little off/unfair?
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>30-04-2013, 07:03:31</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				While doing something else, you suddenly notice that everyone is gone. You have done nothing since noticing they were gone, so you haven't learned anything.<br><br>Those skills might be able to tell you what didn't happen tho. Like, nothing new entered the area.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>30-04-2013, 09:25:30</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				In that case, Lethiel makes a Spellcraft check (1d20+21=26) (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4031057/) to attempt to discern what sort of obviously-magical effect is responsible.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>30-04-2013, 22:56:14</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				With no previously noticed portals or invisible doors, the most logical conclusion is teleportation.&nbsp; Assuming unwilling travelers there are only a couple ways to do it, ice crystal teleport, wish, or the 'victim' girl grabbed the others and plane shifted.<br><br>Please post.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>01-05-2013, 00:07:42</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg8143760#msg8143760">Quote from: BigBuckBob on 30-04-2013, 07:03:31</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">While doing something else, you suddenly notice that everyone is gone. You have done nothing since noticing they were gone, so you haven't learned anything.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I buy this statement less than I buy they vanished into thin air. "Spotter distracted" applies a -5 to the check (PHB 83), and Listen DC similarly goes up by 5. Plus, again, we were RIGHT NEXT to Alice. What's the point of dumping skill ranks in Spot and Listen if I'm not going to get a reactive check when I should be allowed one?<br><br><div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg8147052#msg8147052">Quote from: BigBuckBob on 30-04-2013, 22:56:14</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Assuming unwilling travelers there are only a couple ways to do it, ice crystal teleport, wish, or the 'victim' girl grabbed the others and plane shifted.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>Ice Crystal Teleport and grabbing before a Plane Shift both have very visual elements, Wish would probably have a visual element (it's not really specified) and all three spells probably have verbal components (haven't actually looked, and in the case of SLAs that's irrelevant). In either of those first two cases it shouldn't even REQUIRE a check for Trakas or Lethiel to see what happened, and in any of those cases Roland should have gotten saving throws/grapple checks (as well as Alice, though with Siereis' absence I won't cry foul at that, and I suppose I'm assuming that you didn't make rolls behind-the-scenes).<br><br>I will let this particular argument go because you're the DM, but please, if you need to move the game along faster, <em>please</em> resort to something besides railroading, especially <em>completely</em> arbitrary, unjustified railroading like this.<br><br>EDIT: I'm also going to wait on a post from Kunoichi so Lethiel can report her findings.<br><br>EDIT 2: And after learning Lethiel's information, Trakas will make a Spot check to look for shards of ice: At 2013-04-30 17:17:04, Rhaegar14 (uid: 28142) rolls: 1d20a18 Result: 23 (http://elliquiy.com/forums/dicebot.php?r=46061)
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-05-2013, 06:48:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				I'm sorry, but my enthusiasm for this game is rapidly beginning to wane.&nbsp; I don't like to ditch games, and I particularly don't like the idea of leaving under these circumstances...&nbsp; But I can't come up with a post, no matter how hard I try, and I'm pretty clearly the one being waited on at the moment.&nbsp; I'm afraid I'll have to bow out of this game.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>BigBuckBob</strong> on <strong>01-05-2013, 12:18:01</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				Because of the expetice of the characters involved all of the rationallizing you just did can be done in character to realize it must have been a wish spell. And a powerful one at that. Rolands will save will determine just how far he got as will alices returning to the game determine how far she went. I do apologize for forgetting to add a request for his will save.<br><br>Again you did notice that it happened. She was next to you she got pulled away. If you want to react... go ahead and react.<br><br>-----<br>K- it seems to be down to just the two of you.&nbsp; If you are out I think ill be starting a game in a different setting. If you stay ill probably need to recruit. Feel free to pm me if there is anything I can do to help you recover interest<br><br>---<br><br>My 'railroad' was onnly meant to move the obstacle that had stalled the game. With the girl gone and missing friends to search for I thought you would be able to move forward. My apologies for the trouble it is causing.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Kunoichi</strong> on <strong>01-05-2013, 23:22:43</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg8150576#msg8150576">Quote from: BigBuckBob on 01-05-2013, 12:18:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">K- it seems to be down to just the two of you.&nbsp; If you are out I think ill be starting a game in a different setting. If you stay ill probably need to recruit. Feel free to pm me if there is anything I can do to help you recover interest<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>As things stand, I'm afraid it's unlikely my interest will recover. &gt;&lt;; Sorry again for being the one to bring this game to a stop, and I honestly hope that you have better luck with your next one.
			</dd>
			<dt class="postheader">
				Title: <strong>Re: Tomb of Bondage [ooc]</strong><br>
				Post by: <strong>Rhaegar14</strong> on <strong>02-05-2013, 05:25:37</strong>
			</dt>
			<dd class="postbody">
				<div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote"><a href="https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=166544.msg8150576#msg8150576">Quote from: BigBuckBob on 01-05-2013, 12:18:01</a></div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">My 'railroad' was onnly meant to move the obstacle that had stalled the game. With the girl gone and missing friends to search for I thought you would be able to move forward. My apologies for the trouble it is causing.<br></blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br>I in turn apologize for getting a little hostile and maybe overreacting; as a player, I'm not fond of plot elements that make me feel totally powerless, and few others do. I'll also admit that, given we're 10th level characters, I made the (fairly reasonable, I think) assumption that you weren't putting us up against anything with access to Wish; off the top of my head, at best that's a 17th-level caster, and at worst that's something with access to it as an SLA, and therefore is far less restricted in its use (no xp cost). I will say that a little bit more description than a one-liner that basically says "everyone suddenly disappeared while you weren't looking" would have gone a long way, because the way the original post was written made me think that something had happened and I had been told I missed something really obvious going on around me simply because it was convenient.<br><br>Also, an easier way to remove the obstacle barring progress would probably have been to have Alice call her mount and volunteer to carry the girl down the mountain, then to have her catch up at a convenient time later after Siereis got back. Just a suggestion-with-hindsight.<br><br>If you put up another interest check, pm me a link to the thread.
			</dd>
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