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							<b><u><font size="3">Arena Tournament, Round 20: <font color="Red">BlackMoon</font> vs. <font color="Blue">Lumi</font></font></u></b><br>
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<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
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							We really need a LoS check.. unless you already are invisible <br>
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<b>Location:</b> N5<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  8/10 invisible<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 3<br>
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5' step to W10.<br>
End casting off the scroll at beginning of round.  I'm unsure on the definition of 1 full round actions but I believe they finish at the beginning of your turn.  If that's the case, I'd like to begin casting another Summon Monster I.<br>
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The summoned monster is a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fiendish Small Monstrous Spider.</a>.  It is summoned on T6 and will move forward until it senses the enemy.  (Note this could be it's entire round if he isn't there).  If Lumi is sensed before the Spider finishes his first move, it will attempt to web him (rules for web found in link).<br>
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If it finds Lumi during it's second move, it will shriek and then move up to him.<br>
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Spider's move is 30'.  Tremorsense is 60'.  It reaches 05 on it's first move and up to I5 on it's second move.<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>str check</b> - (1d20-2)[<b>17</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>concealment</b> - (1d100)[<b>15</b>]</span> 1-50 hits, used if he is invisible<br>
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End turn but we need another LoS I think.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
AC: 18<br>
Current Buffs: Invis 2/30 Summon Monster I 1/1 <br>
Current Location: X10<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible)<br>
Turn attempts used: 0/6<br>
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<b>0-Level</b><br>
Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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Summon Monster I, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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<b>Location:</b> N5<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  7/10 invisible<br>
<b>Spells:</b>  5x 0-level , 4x 1st-level, 0x 2nd level<br>
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You  don't see anyone get hit by the webbing, although the spider was aiming towards the NWW<br>
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							If it's important, the attack bonus is actually +4.  And thanks for the refcheck.
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							So if that happened at the end of round 3, it would be Lumi's turn at the top of round 4, as his turn was seemingly contingent on no LoS?
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							Indeed it is, we had to back this train up a bit.<br>
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							Oh, and don't forget the concealment miss chance Mavian<img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" n2a9lg8yu=""> <br>
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<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 3<br>
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Spider that I guess you can see disappears.  And since you could see that one, you'll definitely see this one.  Another spider appears in R6.<br>
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BlackMoon: 5' step to V9.  Cast Summon Monster I(spider) in R6.<br>
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This spider, if possible, will walk in a NWW fashion (3 squares west for every 1 square North.  If it senses the opponent, get as close as possible to attack it via web.  If not in range to attack, get as close as possible and shriek.   I will let the refs roll that.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 3/30 <strike>Summon Monster I 1/1 </strike> Summon Monster I 1/1 <br>
Current Location: V9<br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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Summon Monster I, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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Mavian I really think you are wrong about that and for the next refs that come to check this match I would like to check this<br>
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<b>Tremorsense</b><br>
A creature with tremorsense automatically senses the location of anything that is in contact with the ground and within range. Aquatic creatures with tremorsense can also sense the location of creatures moving through water. <br>
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If no straight path exists through the ground from the creature to those that it’s sensing, then the range defines the maximum distance of the shortest indirect path. It must itself be in contact with the ground, and the <b>creatures must be moving</b>. <br>
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<b>As long as the other creatures are taking physical actions, including casting spells with somatic components, they’re considered moving</b>; they don’t have to move from place to place for a creature with tremorsense to detect them. <br>
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So you can guess what will be Lumi's next action(or what will not be Lumi's next action)<br>
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							I still need Mavian or another refs to confirm the above question but assuming it is correct your new spider (I suppose it was summoned now) does not detect Lumi<br>
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<b>Lumi 1st to act - round 5 </b><br>
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<b>Location:</b> G4<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
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<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  6/10 invisible<br>
<b>Spells:</b>  5x 0-level , 4x 1st-level, 0x 2nd level<br>
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I am unsure about the rules for full-round casting.  When exactly do I finish? Can I act normally this round (though I have used a 5' step?)<br>
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Full Round Casting means you start one turn, it continues until just before the begining of your next turn, and then you act normaly in that round.<br>
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Stupid spider.  <br>
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Full Round Action: Begin Casting Summon Nature's Ally I as a spontaneous spell, sacrificing Summon Monster I<br>
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<b>BlackMoon</b><br>
HP: 9<br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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5' step to V8.  Begin casting Summon Nature's Ally I off of current scroll.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 4/30 <strike>Summon Monster I 1/1 </strike> Summon Monster I 1/1 <br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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<b>Location:</b> G6<br>
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<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
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							Probably not but you know we need that LoS check, as my wolf is actually doing things.  I put it under spoiler to explain to the refs.<br>
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just a reminder for the refs that come to check this match<br>
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This extraordinary ability lets a creature detect approaching enemies, sniff out hidden foes, and track by sense of smell. <br>
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<b>A creature with the scent ability can detect opponents by sense of smell, generally within 30 feet</b>. If the opponent is upwind, the range is 60 feet. If it is downwind, the range is 15 feet. Strong scents, such as smoke or rotting garbage, can be detected at twice the ranges noted above. Overpowering scents, such as skunk musk or troglodyte stench, can be detected at three times these ranges. <br>
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<b>The creature detects another creature’s presence but not its specific location</b>. <b>Noting the direction of the scent is a move action</b>.<b> If it moves within 5 feet of the scent’s source, the creature can pinpoint that source. </b><br>
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I just don't want him deploying monsters in flanking position to Lumi when he should have no way to know where Lumi was (like in the last fight)<br>
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As you didn't posted in the open that your wolf was moving I will eventualy have to redo my actions, now... <br>
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							Like I said, you gotta wait to see what happens.  I have to give instructions for what happens at what points and the like and the refs need to adjudicate so that they don't give anything away.  At least that's how I see it.<br>
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</div>Nope, I saw the wolf's actions but no one said it was my turn<img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smalltongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Tongue" class="inlineimg" n2a9lg8yu=""> <br>
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<b>Location:</b> G6<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 6<br>
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New Wolf appears in R5.  Old wolf still in N5.  <br>
Stuff happening with them that I can't control.<br>
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Ok, it's first New wolf's turn.  New wolf (From N5) will walk straight west until he finds a scent.  If no scent is found by F5(the end of the ramp) it will turn south.  If it finds a scent anywhere, it will immediately howl.  If it has an action after it finds the scent, it will use a move action to figure out what direction and then point that way.<br>
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The old wolf's actions depends on what happens with new wolf.  If old wolf finds a scent, it tries to get as close to that scent as possible (if it can zero in with movement left by going where the scent is and coming within 5' that's best, otherwise get as close as possible).  <br>
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If New Wolf didn't find a scent then Old Wolf will head in a slightly more southwesterly path, heading SW at H5 and essentially heading D10 and then farther south if it still has movement/hasn't found anything.<br>
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Blackmoon's actions depend on what happens with these mutts.<br>
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5' step to V8.  Begin casting Summon Nature's Ally I off of current scroll.<br>
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Not done.  Need LoS/adjudication<br>
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HP: 9<br>
AC: 18<br>
Current Buffs: Invis 5/30 Old Wolf 2/3 New Wolf 1/1<br>
Current Location: V9<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
Turn attempts used: 0/6<br>
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<b>0-Level</b><br>
Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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							The wolf in R5 moves to F8 and starts howling.<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 6 cont'd<br>
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Move: Move from V9 to P8.<br>
Standard: Cast Rapid Summon Monster I, use divine power to change caster level<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>divine power check</b> - (1d20+6)[<b>18</b>]</span>= Caster level 5<br>
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Edit: Spider appears in I8.  It will head straight west until it senses Lumi (who hopefully hasn't played some nasty trick) and will attempt to web him from as close as possible with a minimum distance of 15' (just out of spear range)<br>
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<b>BlackMoon</b><br>
HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 5/30 Old Wolf 2/3 New Wolf 1/1 Spider 1/5<br>
Current Location: V9<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
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<b>0-Level</b><br>
Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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							Another Spider appears, this time in I8, it move up to G8 and launches a stream of webbing<br>
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<span class="diceroll">(1d100)[<b>82</b>]</span> - over 50 hits<br>
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							<img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallconfused.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Confused" class="inlineimg" n2a9lg8yu=""> Hey how many creatures he may summon each round? He just summoned a wolf this turn<br>
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<b>Location:</b> A  <br>
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<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
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First part of round: Spider goes hunting.  He will move to within 15' of him and attack his SQUARE.  If he can't get within 15', then get as close as possible.<br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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I rolled a [4] which means it misses to the south by 2 squares.  So.. A16<br>
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The wolf attacks A16 unless it's senses tell it otherwise.  The spider should have hit, but scent automatically gives the position if within 5', so the wolf should sense him in A16.  If he is not in A16, the web can't have missed by far, so the wolf will search him out with his other action.  If he happens to be in a square that is not A16, but is within 5' of the wolf, the wolf still attacks (as it is automatic to know the square)<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>wolf attack</b> - (1d20+3)[<b>7</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>wolf damage</b> - (1d6+1)[<b>3</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>concealment</b> - (1d100)[<b>43</b>]</span> 1-50 hits<br>
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BlackMoon: DoubleMove to N15<br>
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<b>BlackMoon</b><br>
HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 6/30 Old Wolf 3/3 Spider 2/5<br>
Current Location: N15<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
Turn attempts used: 3/6<br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<b>1-Level</b><br>
<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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<b>Location:</b> L18<br>
 <b>HP:</b> 11/11<br>
<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  3/10 invisible<br>
<b>Spells:</b>  5x 0-level , 4x 1st-level, 0x 2nd level<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>spot</b> - (1d20+1)[<b>15</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>listen</b> - (1d20+1)[<b>18</b>]</span><br>
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							If I were the one rulling here I would say that you are right. <br>
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							Well, thanks for the vote of confidence.<br>
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				<div class="message">Well, thanks for the vote of confidence.<br>
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And no, you're not reffing this match.  Though you could ref <a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/?zx=11mfrjjx5o6ld#inbox/116fa04bd475e982" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this</a> match between me and Mavian <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"></div>
			
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 8 <br>
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The spider will follow the trail of motion.  If it can attack and be in decent range for its web, it will web the square Lumi is on.  If it cannot attack, it will move as close to Lumi as possible, face his direction, and if it is right next to him it will shriek.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 7/30 Spider 3/5<br>
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Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
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Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, Conjure Ice Beast I, Summon Monster I(D)<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 8 - cont'd<br>
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A conjured Ice Beast appears in K18, giving off a frosty aura<br>
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Well, let's reach as far east as I can without hitting myself then.  Ice Beast (Wolf) in K18.<br>
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Standard: Divinely Powered Rapid Cast Conjure Ice Beast I<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>divine power</b> - (1d20+6)[<b>9</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>frost aura</b> - (1d6)[<b>4</b>]</span> - if 5 or less, spider takes 0.  If 6, spider takes 1pt.<br>
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Move: Put scroll away<br>
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AB:+3<br>
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If you are within 10' of K18, you take frost damage<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>frost aura</b> - (1d6)[<b>2</b>]</span> - if 5 or less, spider takes 0.  If 6, spider takes 1pt.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 7/30 Spider 3/5<br>
Current Location: N15<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
Turn attempts used: 3/6<br>
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<b>0-Level</b><br>
Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<b>1-Level</b><br>
<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I</strike>, <strike>Summon Monster I(D)</strike><br>
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							ok, this is starting to scare me, I don't know where you are but anyway remember that Conjure Ice beast has a range of 25 feet...<br>
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							I apologize, it is your turn.  I also apologize for the scarcity of my posts.  The holiday season has taken me down a notch in frequency.<br>
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							I have a question in the waiting room about my items that may cause me to get rid of a scroll and a couple of alchemist fires, just FYI. As you didn't give me the chance to uses most of them so far I don't think it be problematic for you.<br>
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<b>Location:</b> V15<br>
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<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
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<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  2/10 invisible<br>
<b>Spells:</b>  5x 0-level , 4x 1st-level, 0x 2nd level<br>
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<b>0-Level</b><br>
Virtue, Guidance, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I</strike>, <strike>Summon Monster I(D)</strike><br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 9 cont'd<br>
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Conjured Ice Beast:<br>
HP: 25<br>
AB:+3<br>
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Move: 50'<br>
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HP: 9<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 8/30 Spider 4/5 Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*, Guidance 1/10<br>
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Virtue, <strike>Guidance</strike>, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I</strike>, <strike>Summon Monster I(D)</strike><br>
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<b>Location:</b> R4<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
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<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  1/10 invisible, mage armor<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 9/30 Spider 5/5 <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 2/10<br>
Current Location: M11<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I<br>
Turn attempts used: 6/6<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>caster level</b> - (1d20+4)[<b>16</b>]</span> vs DC 4<br>
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<b>Location:</b> Q4<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  mage armor<br>
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Morbius, you know there's still part of my turn left <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" rcn1h1r0d=""> .  Doubt it will change your actions but you never know.<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>caster level check</b> - (1d20+3)[<b>12</b>]</span> DC4, 1 automatically fails.<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 9/30 Spider 5/5 <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 2/10<br>
Current Location: M10<br>
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							<font color="DeepSkyBlue">Initiate Ref Stimpius</font><br>
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The spiders move doesnt change in anyway shape or form.<br>
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You see nothing<br>
And hear super faint spellcasting from the south - assuming south = down. <br>
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Seen as Invis is a 2nd level spell, doesn't it have a duration of 30 rounds? Not 10? Meaning you don't flicker back this round but in 20 rounds, because scrolls and potions go from the caster level needed to make them. Hence the caster check to use a scroll of invis.<br>
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So anyway back to the top Round 11 - Lumi.<br>
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Seen as Invis is a 2nd level spell, doesn't it have a duration of 30 rounds? Not 10? Meaning you don't flicker back this round but in 20 rounds, because scrolls and potions go from the caster level needed to make them. Hence the caster check to use a scroll of invis.<br>
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</div>Actually I have the feat precocious apprentice, so I didn't used a scroll to cast the spell, and I asked the other refs and they said that thise one way that I used to cast higher level spells don't default to the minimun caster level like scrolls and potion ¬¬ so... this will happen...<br>
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<b>Lumi 1st to act - round 11 redone</b><br>
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(since you have LoS to me...)<br>
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Suddenly a fire elf with a flask on is hands pops on R4. When he hears a spell being cast he says<font color="Blue">"Not again..."</font> and double moves by R8-U8 and disappears behind the rock pillar<br>
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<b>Location:</b> Y11<br>
 <b>HP:</b> 9/11<br>
<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
<b>Saves:</b> Fortitude +0, Reflex +4, Will +1<br>
<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 2x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
<b>Effects:</b>  mage armor<br>
<b>Spells:</b>  5x 0-level , 4x 1st-level, 0x 2nd level<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>listen</b> - (1d20+1)[<b>17</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>spot</b> - (1d20+1)[<b>2</b>]</span><br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 11 <br>
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Beginning of round: Conjured Ice Beast II finishes, creating a Conjured Ice Hippogriff in R7:S8.  It will move to T7:U8, attempt to locate Lumi, and then move and engulf him (if he is located).  If he cannot get to him in one move, it will attempt to move right up next to him.  If slopes are gentle this shouldn't be an issue.  It has 40' of movement left after gaining LoS to eastern portion of map.  For the engulfing it will also try and get right up next to him.<br>
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Lumi is entitled to a DC 15 reflex save to avoid being engulfed.  If he fails, he takes <span class="diceroll"><b>frost</b> - (2d6)[<b>6</b>]</span> damage and may begin to drown.<br>
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Spider also disappears. <br>
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BlackMoon: BlackMoon moves from M10 to N17.  Then begin to cast Conjure Ice Beast I off of scroll.<br>
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Attacks: 2 claws +6 (1d4+4 +1d6 frost), 1 bite +1 (1d8+2 +1d6frost)<br>
HP: 43<br>
AC: 17<br>
Large Size, 10' reach <br>
SA: Engulf, DC 15 to resist.  p. 140 frostburn<br>
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You'll probably see something but I think we need a ref's adjudication so we don't give anything away to each other.<br>
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HP: 9<br>
AC: 18<br>
Current Buffs: Invis 10/30 <strike>Spider 5/5</strike> <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 3/10, Conjured Ice Hippogriff 1/3<br>
Current Location: N17<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I, Conjured Ice Beast II, Conjure Ice Beast I<br>
Turn attempts used: 6/6<br>
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Virtue, <strike>Guidance</strike>, Guidance<br>
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<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I</strike>, <strike>Summon Monster I(D)</strike><br>
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							Hey, I've updated this match too.  I've just been travelin so been a bit unreliable lately.<br>
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An Ice Hippogriff appears in R7-&gt;S8.  It flies SE towards the eastern edge of the arena.  <br>
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							You mean that he has 10 feet space. His reach is only 5ft.<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 12 <br>
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Nice save.  And good call on the reach.<br>
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The Hippogriff will attempt to engulf again, if possible.  If Lumi moved out of his threatened area, it will take it's AoO and then attempt to follow.  If Lumi took a 5' step out of its threatened area, it will 5' step up and engulf.  <br>
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Note: The ice beast can engulf anything it threatens.  I do believe that includes invisible creatures.<br>
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One of these two situations has to come up so I will roll for both<br>
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if AoO:<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>attack</b> - (1d20+6)[<b>12</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>dmg</b> - (1d4+4)[<b>8</b>]</span><br>
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Lumi needs DC15 reflex save or take <span class="diceroll"><b>frost</b> - (2d6)[<b>3</b>]</span> damage and be pinned and may begin to drown. p. 140 frostburn<br>
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BlackMoon: Beginning of turn: A conjured Ice Wolf appearsn in R17.  It will head east and breathe cold in front of the Hippogriff if it can.  Otherwise it moves to be adjacent to that square.  Cone of cold is a 30' cone.  If Lumi is caught in it, he needs a reflex save of 11 to take half of <span class="diceroll"><b>frost</b> - (1d6)[<b>3</b>]</span>.  <br>
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Blackmoon then double moves to X15<br>
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Attacks: 2 claws +6 (1d4+4 +1d6 frost), 1 bite +1 (1d8+2 +1d6frost)<br>
HP: 43<br>
AC: 17<br>
Large Size, 5' reach <br>
SA: Engulf, DC 15 to resist.  p. 140 frostburn<br>
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We obviously need a ref to adjudicate.  My turn is over though but you'll probably want to wait for a ref.<br>
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<b>BlackMoon</b><br>
HP: 9<br>
AC: 18<br>
Current Buffs: Invis 11/30 <strike>Spider 5/5</strike> <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 4/10, Conjured Ice Hippogriff 2/3<br>
Current Location: X15<br>
Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I, Conjured Ice Beast II, Conjure Ice Beast I<br>
Turn attempts used: 6/6<br>
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Virtue, <strike>Guidance</strike>, Guidance<br>
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<b>1-Level</b><br>
<strike>Summon Monster I</strike>, <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I</strike>, <strike>Summon Monster I(D)</strike><br>
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							OK, so I took a 5 foot step and I am invisible again, I am not sure if the Hippogriff may try to engulf what it does not see(probably yes) but I will worry about that if I can't make the reflex save<br>
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							The Hippogriff's DC was supposed to be actually 15 but anyway yay<img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"> <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"> <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"> .<br>
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							<b>BlackMoon</b> - second in round 13<br>
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Wolfie disappears.  The hippogriff will attempt to listen and then follow the sound and I guess try to engulf a square based on the listen check.  It will move 30' in that direction unless the check determines otherwise.<br>
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Attacks: 2 claws +6 (1d4+4 +1d6 frost), 1 bite +1 (1d8+2 +1d6frost)<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 11/30 <strike>Spider 5/5</strike> <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 4/10, Conjured Ice Hippogriff 2/3<br>
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Scroll Used: Summon Monster I (X2 if possible), Summon Nature's Ally I, Conjured Ice Beast II, Conjure Ice Beast I<br>
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Virtue, <strike>Guidance</strike>, Guidance<br>
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							I am not sure where your hippogriff ends as he does not seems to be able to locate Lumi<br>
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So... are you out of summons yet? If you are this is my action for this round, and likely for quite a few rounds to come <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"> <br>
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Hippogriff disappears.  I may or may not be out of summons <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" rcn1h1r0d=""> <br>
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I think it's fair to say neither one of us will give up the advantage of invis, so can we just fast forward? And when I say fast forward, I mean to the end of my invis with 0 assumed preparation beforehand.  And then of course you can go, as I will have no way of locating you (I am definitely out of summon monsters)<br>
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Current Buffs: Invis 11/30 <strike>Spider 5/5</strike> <strike>Conjure Ice Beast I 2/*</strike>, Guidance 4/10, Conjured Ice Hippogriff 2/3<br>
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							Wow, I actually though that you could do that...<br>
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1st. can I summon a 15 ft face monster squezzing on that little island in the middle of the lava and while BlackMoon is already there?<br>
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2nd If I can't do that can I summon it in the air above BlackMoon and make it attempt to grab(grapple check) BlackMoon as it falls in the lava?<br>
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</div>1) No, Blackmoon is already there, violating the 'open location' clause.<br>
2) No, the lava isn't a surface capable of supporting it.<br>
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							1 I am posting more actions that I would be able to do in one round (due to movement), but for convenience let's call this round 15.<br>
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I realized I was being stupid, because if a human can climb a rope a centipede can climb a bridge, and if i am wrong this is simply a balance check instead and I may need to roll it later<br>
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A large centiped appears centered on N13 (L12/M14) latched on the bridge (you have got to love climb speed).<br>
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<b>Location:</b> W20<br>
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<b>Speed:</b> 30 ft.<br>
<b>AC:</b> 18, Touch 14, Flat-footed 10<br>
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<b>Attacks:</b> -1 Longspear (1D8-1), +4 alchemist fire<br>
<b>Held:</b> , 1x invisibility scroll , 4x alchemist fire<br>
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HP: 33<br>
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), climb 40 ft. <br>
AC 16<br>
Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+15<br>
Attack: Bite +5 melee (2d6+4 plus poison)<br>
Space/Reach: 15 ft./10 ft. <br>
Fort +6, Ref +4, Will +2<br>
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PS: This baby has reach, and is using it to get you<img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" hxc1pfm30="">
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							Ok 3 concerns for me here:<br>
1.  A 15' wide centipede is on a bridge 5' wide that has lava on either side AND can attack? I somehow can't grasp this concept.  Might be possible, but not from my point of view (which is admittedly bias)<br>
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2.  A successful grapple does not deal damage in the regular sense.  It deals non-lethal unarmed damage (which may still be enough to knock me unconscious, but it is not normal damage, and therefore not subject to a bite).<br>
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3.  As this centipede does not have improved grapple or grab, I get an AoO to make it so that it does not get to grapple me.  <br>
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							It should be either a climb check (auto sucess) or a balance check (for walking on a small surface, <br>
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If it is balance I am just not sure how many inches a feet has :P, I don't know much about your measure system but a medium creature may walk in a 12 inches wide surface with a DC10 balance check, so I guess a huge creature could walk on a perhaps 36 inches (or maybe more) surface with a DC 10 balance check?<br>
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If this guy can do it why not my centipede?<br>
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(Ok, so it's not a centipede but it's close and it ilustrates my point)
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A blance check is needed for the huge centipede to avoid contact with the lava.  A scaling of surface width to size from the balance skill shows that a creature take takes up 5 feet needs to balance on any surface whose width is less than 1/5 of that.  Thus, a creature that takes up 9 squares, or 45 feet, needs to balance on any surface less than 9 feet wide.  Add in +2 for the bridge being sloped and the balance check should be DC12.  <br>
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Additionally, the creature is considered flat footed and looses its Dex bonus to AC (if any).  <br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>centipede balance</b> - (1d20+2)[<b>13</b>]</span>(untrained, +2 dex) VS DC 12<br>
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