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CLC - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+1)[<b>7</b>]</span> vs DC 4<br>
If it works, I'll move to V13<br>
<strike>otherwise I'll stay put in Y14 and draw a scroll of mirror image.</strike><br>
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Invisibility (1/30)<br>
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Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)<br>
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AC -- 18 (+2 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 15, flat-footed 15<br>
Initiative: +3<br>
Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)<br>
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)<br>
Low Light Vision<br>
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2<br>
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6<br>
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We are both Invisible.<br>
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My Spot: <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>18</b>]</span><br>
Hawk Spot: <span class="diceroll">(1d20+16)[<b>32</b>]</span><br>
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If my hawk spots him, he will tell me.  (Sylvan is a language of mine, so yes, I can understand him).</div>
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Location:R13<br>
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AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10<br>
Invisibility (2/30)<br>
Scrolls Used: Invisibility<br>
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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)<br>
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Tiny Animal<br>
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Low Light Vision<br>
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Move to H14.<br>
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My Spot - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>11</b>]</span><br>
My Listen - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>13</b>]</span><br>
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Hawk Spot - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+16)[<b>22</b>]</span><br>
Hawk Listen - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+4)[<b>24</b>]</span><br>
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If my hawk sees him in a square, he'll tell me.<br>
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end my Turn<br>
Need an LoS check.<br>
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HP: 9/9<br>
AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10<br>
Invisibility (3/30)<br>
Expeditious Retreat (1/10)<br>
Scrolls Used: Invisibility, Expeditious Retreat<br>
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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)<br>
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Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)<br>
Low Light Vision<br>
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Me and my hawk are invisible.<br>
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Tayalyn Spot - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>5</b>]</span><br>
Tayalyn Listen - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>9</b>]</span><br>
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Hawk Spot - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+16)[<b>33</b>]</span><br>
Hawk Listen - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+4)[<b>23</b>]</span><br>
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If my hawk sees or hears anything, he will tell me about it.  (Sylvan is a language Tayalyn knows).</div>
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Turn not Done, Need LoS check.<br>
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Hawk Location: my Shoulder.<br>
HP: 9/9<br>
AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10<br>
Invisibility (4/30)<br>
Expeditious Retreat (2/10)<br>
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Level 0 - Caltroups, Sonic Snap, Resistance, Flare (D)<br>
Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)<br>
Level 2 - Scorching Ray, Scorching Ray</div>
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HP -- 5/5<br>
AC -- 18 (+2 size, +3 Dex, +3 natural), touch 15, flat-footed 15<br>
Initiative: +3<br>
Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)<br>
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)<br>
Low Light Vision<br>
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2<br>
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6<br>
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As far as I am aware Sylvan does not equate speak with animals.  Since a hawk does not speak a language, it will simply make it's animal noise (a shriek for hawk's I think) when it perceives Yemish.  And it does so right now.  You see nothing however.<br>
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Hawk Location: my Shoulder.<br>
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Tiny Animal<br>
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Low Light Vision<br>
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CLC - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+1)[<b>17</b>]</span><br>
# of Images - <span class="diceroll">(1d4)[<b>1</b>]</span><br>
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I will edit in the rest of my move after I see if this fails or not.<br>
What a waste of a spell...<img src="images/smilies/stick/sigh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Sigh" class="inlineimg" uc23xgqet=""> 1 copy...rest of move in next post.<br>
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Hawk Listen - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+4)[<b>17</b>]</span><br>
Tayalyn Spot - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+3)[<b>19</b>]</span><br>
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If the hawk spots Yemish, he will attack. (This shouldn't break my invisibility, just my hawks).<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>Attack</b> - (1d20+5)[<b>23</b>]</span><br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>Damage</b> - (1d4-2)[<b>2</b>]</span> (Min 1)<br>
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Then Tayalyn will move silently to J24.<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>MS</b> - (1d20+4)[<b>19</b>]</span><br>
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Location:J24<br>
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AC: 14 Touch: 14 FF: 10<br>
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Level 1 - Color Spray, Instant Diversion, Instant Diversion, Burning Hands (D)<br>
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(edit) Should I get the +1 because of the CL being 3 on the scroll?  The spell says 1d4 Images +1 per 3 levels, so should I have 2?</div>
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So what's the plan here now...since I've basically casted from scrolls since the onset of this match, it would pretty much make all my actions invalid from Round 2 on...<br>
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The hawk can still see him, so we'll resove that attack.  You move to J24.<br>
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A hawk appears at G25, 10' up, enters H24, 0' and attacks.  It hits AC23 for 2 points of slashing/piercing damage.  If Yemish threatens at 5' or 10', he can take an AoO.<br>
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							did he roll for concealment?  I'm in a squre that has a 30% chance for him to miss even if it hit my AC.  I might threaten if you would consider a crossbow to be a makeshift melee weapon, but I doubt I would hit with my whopping 6 str so I won't even bother with the attack.<br>
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							Forgot to edit that out when I cut and pasted the status block.  I'm in G26, trying not to get my eyes pecked out.  He remains in that square for now.<br>
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</div>Yemish completed his Round 6 action<strike>, but I may need a response from Bigmac and/or a high ref to proceed</strike>.<br>
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Assuming my hawk can still see him, my hawk will attack again, and Tayalyn will watch where he attack before making her move.</div>
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Hawk Attacks Yemish again (assuming LoS wasn't broken)<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>Attack</b> - (1d20+5)[<b>6</b>]</span><br>
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				<div class="message">I would argue that Tayalyn would become visable just before the effect as we have treated all other cases where a caster is casting an offensive area of effect spell targeting an opponent.  An invisble caster becomes visable before the color spray is resolved.  Thus, Yemish would see him <i>in the process</i> of attacking him via the supernatural ability and that would trigger his ready action.  I guess it boils down to how you determine the ready action.  You can also refer to how a similar situation was resolved the first time we fought <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66713" target="_blank">here</a></div>
			
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</div>The example you cited should seriously have required referee attention, as it wasn't handled correctly. I'm sorry I missed it.<br>
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I move north and break LoS.<br>
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HP: 9/9<br>
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Standard Action: Cast Mirror Image.<br>
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CLC - <span class="diceroll">(1d20+1)[<b>5</b>]</span> DC4<br>
Images - <span class="diceroll">(1d4+1)[<b>3</b>]</span><br>
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Hawk Location: E25<br>
HP: 9/9<br>
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Scrolls Used: Invisibility, Mirror Image<br>
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Level 2 - Scorching Ray, Scorching Ray</div>
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Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 60 ft. (average)<br>
Attack/Full Attack: Talons +5 melee (1d4-2)<br>
Low Light Vision<br>
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2<br>
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 6, Wis 14, Cha 6<br>
Skills: Listen +4, Spot +16<br>
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							I'm pretty sure that even though I failed the CL check, that since I passed the wisdom check that the stone is still good.  I'll bo operating under those assumptions.  <br>
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Yemish will pick up his energy stone and try to manafest it again.  The energy missle power can target up to 5 people no more than 15ft apart, so one missle will hit each Tayalyn.<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>CLcheck</b> - (1d20+1)[<b>6</b>]</span> vs DC3<br>
<span class="diceroll"><b>damage</b> - (3d6+5)[<b>12</b>]</span>, Fort save DC12 for half<br>
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I'm sorry BigMac, but I disagree.  As powerstones are directly related to scrolls, the rules for scrolls can be used.<br>
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</div>As scroll use is subject to disruption (and therefore consumed as a spell is), a failed casting can be assumed to be a disruption.  There was no mishap but the power is gone.<br>
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Draw a scroll.<br>
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Meanwhile, my hawk moves to B26 and attack Yemish.<br>
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Hawk Location: B26<br>
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Scrolls Used: Invisibility, Mirror Image, Mage Armor<br>
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Low Light Vision<br>
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<span class="diceroll"><b>attack</b> - (1d20+4)[<b>23</b>]</span><br>
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