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							<div style="text-align: center;">All Quiet on the PM Front</div><br>
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Anyone reading this who would like to be considered as a replacement if the occasion for one arises should let me know that.<br>
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We're playing on the Youngstown variant map with my custom Blind Rules variant. They are:<br>
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    * Players will not receive an omniscient version of the map; only one master map will exist, and I will have exclusive access to it.<br>
    * Orders will not be posted on the thread.<br>
    * Instead, resolution of each player's orders will be sent to him or to her, along with only those orders which conflict with his or her own orders. For example, if Italy orders A Ven-Tri and Austria orders A Tri Holds, Italy would be aware of Austria's hold and Austria would be aware of Italy's attempted attack. (If people can't or don't want to keep their own maps, I could handle making individual maps for everyone and distributing them each season, although I would prefer that not be the case)<br>
    * Each player also gets a spy, the better to be aware of general goings-on in the world.<br>
    * Before the end of each Spring turn, each player can choose one other power on which to spy for the year. So if France wants to spy on Germany, he can choose to commit his spy to spying in Germany for the year of 1901. This means that with each order resolution in 1901, France also gets a copy of all German moves for the past season.<br>
    * Note that this does not mean that you get the orders for the power on which you are spying before they are processed. What it does do is tell you where all the power's units were and what they were doing, which is a very valuable tool.<br>
    * Players are encouraged to maintain active presses, since information on other powers will be scarce, although we all know that nothing said in a press release can be trusted absolutely.<br>
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We'll play one season a week. Spring 1901 orders (including spy deployment) will be due Wednesday, September 12. Summer 1901 retreats will be due Thursday, September 13th, Fall 1901 orders due Wednesday, September 19th, Winter retreats due Thursday, September 20th, and Winter 1901 builds due Friday, September 21st. And so on, and so on, and so on.<br>
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England - Maldiem<br>
Japan - J_Muller<br>
Turkey - Viggo<br>
Germany - Solgursky<br>
China - Mdsoze<br>
Austria - Lomil<br>
Russia - Charity<br>
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-You have to let me know if you want to receive copies of the map as you know it each turn. I strongly recommend, for your sake (it's easier to run contingencies if you have the software to play with) and mine, that you download either <a href="http://jdip.sourceforge.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jDip</a> or <a href="http://realpolitik.sourceforge.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Realpolitik</a>. However, if you really want me to, I will send you maps every week.<br>
-For now I would like to be CCed on PM negotiations. I may change my mind when the game I'm playing in starts up, but at least until then, I'd like to hear what you guys are saying to each other.
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</div>Pacific time is three hours behind me. In general, for the information of all, you can figure out the time zone differences by playing with the time zone setting under options on your forum account. My recommendation is that you figure out the time difference, then adjust all the deadlines to your appropriate local times and remember them that way.<br>
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				<div class="message">Okay. So, to clarify, your 10 PM deadline is a 1 AM deadline for me? Or 7 PM? I don't want to get in a few minuites late without knowing. But I'm not too worried. I do tend to be pretty quick with orders in this game.</div>
			
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</div>If your time zone is three hours behind mine, it will be 7pm for you when it is 10pm for me.
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</div>As much as it didn't really turn out well for me last time, I actually wouldn't mind being France again.<br>
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							Alright, all 10 players have confirmed interest. Below is a map - the ONLY omniscient map I will ever post on this thread:<br>
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Here are your random country assignments:<br>
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India - GrandDukeJerot<br>
Italy - Ceridan<br>
France - Lucid_Archon<br>
England - Maldiem<br>
Japan - J_Muller<br>
Turkey - Viggo<br>
Germany - Solgursky<br>
China - Mdsoze<br>
Austria - Lomil<br>
Russia - Asqwasqw<br>
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I'll edit the original post to reflect all this, but I want to make a new one as well so that everyone will get the subscribed thread notification. Everyone is subscribed to this thread, right?<br>
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-You have to let me know if you want to receive copies of the map as you know it each turn. I strongly recommend, for your sake (it's easier to run contingencies if you have the software to play with) and mine, that you download either <a href="http://jdip.sourceforge.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">jDip</a> or <a href="http://realpolitik.sourceforge.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Realpolitik</a>. However, if you really want me to, I will send you maps every week.<br>
-For now I would like to be CCed on PM negotiations. I may change my mind when the game I'm playing in starts up, but at least until then, I'd like to hear what you guys are saying to each other.<br>
-When I edit the original post in a few minutes, I'll make sure to copy in the blind variant rules for your reference.<br>
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							The new German Chancellor, Solomon Gurksy, is announced amid raucous applause and fanfare.<br>
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</div>The locations of enemy units are only known when they affect you. For example, if you have an army in Norway and I have an army in Sweden, but both units are issued hold orders, neither army knows about the other. However, if A Nwy is ordered to Swe, and Swe Holds, A Nwy knows there was an army holding in Sweden and A Swe knows that it was attacked by A Nwy.
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</div>Handling any sized country takes roughly the same amount of time; are you sure you can make the commitment? If you don't think you can, I'd rather have you say so now and enjoy watching the game while we still have time to get a replacement than to drop out several seasons in.
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The Maharaja of Cochin has mobilized his forces, with full support of his people. In a public statement sent out to all foreign diplomats has been relayed here.<br>
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"I am sad for the deterioration of the state of Asia. No longer does it consist of powerful, native empires that were content to mind their own buisness, and tend to their own lands. In recent years, the west has realized the potential of our land, and plunders it ruthlessly. Now, it is time for the Indian empire to take a leaf out of the book of our freinds, the West, and grow our empire with expansion."<br>
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</div>Sigh, I would so love to play, but I am DMing one game, playing another, and I am not sure I have time/energy for diplomacy (curse you school).   <br>
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Since others have expressed interest, ask if any one of them wants to take over...<br>
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							Well, I am not too sure about that, J Muller. The news is what the gov't allows leaked out as public information. It is what the player is willing to tell the outside world about their actions. In a game playing blind, it really depends on the person to control their newscasts. Some might just play it safe, and completely supress the local media. Others may be candid about their campaigns, not worrying about who knows their movements. Some may even use this blindness to lie about their moves in news reports, catching their prey completely by surprise. The news reports just have gained a new dimension from playing blind.
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				<div class="message">Well <br>
I would rather be able to see a bit more  than just one guys moves so I vote to see adjacent units.<br>
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Oh Moody, when are we due to start?<br>
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Oh and everyone else, sorry my PM box filled up over the weekend, while I was (horror of horrors) gardening, I have cleared a bit of space so it should be safe to resend anything you got a bounce message on.</div>
			
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							A player asked me the following question, and I think the answer merits being given to all of the players:<br>
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"How nitpicky are you going to be on order syntax and misordering?"<br>
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"Not very. I'm a big fan of the clause in the rules that states that a poorly written order that can nonetheless have only one meaning must be followed. I'm meticulous about writing my own orders, but I'm relatively lenient about other people's orders. That said, the more accurate the better, obviously. <br>
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For convoys and support, each order should be written. If an order A Ser S A Gre-Bul is written but A Gre-Bul is not, I will not be able to infer A Gre-Bul; if no order is given for A Gre (even if another order mentions A Gre moving) then a hold order is assigned to A Gre. Likewise, F Nth C A Edi-Nwy will not move A Edi unless A Edi has the order A Edi-Nwy written for it."<br>
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Things I will be lenient on, but will continually correct when sending back your season's report:<br>
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Once I had a player who used N instead of F, because he thought of sea units as Navies, not Fleets. This bugged me, but it was clear what he meant, so I let it slide.<br>
cApItAlIzAtIoN. It will annoy me to no end if you take it to the extreme to which I just took it, but I won't count an order incorrect on account of capitalization; all caps or all lowercase is fine.<br>
Not issuing hold orders. If you want to issue them explicitly (which is always a good idea, I think, so that you can count the number of orders you've written and compare it to the number of units you have and make sure you aren't forgetting anything) you could do it in a number of ways. "F Mao H" is the shortest way and is perfectly acceptable to me. "F Mao Hold" and "F Mao Holds" are fine as well. Anything other than that and you may have lost me.<br>
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Using something like -&gt; to designate an attack rather than the shorter and more conventional -. A Gre-Bul could be written as A Gre-&gt;Bul, if you really feel a burning desire to do so. As long as you are consistent, it shouldn't be an issue.<br>
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</div>My first reaction was "haha, no," then I remembered that you graciously agreed to let someone take your spot.<br>
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Even though you aren't playing in the game, I'm not entirely sure it is appropriate to leak that information to anyone. Since I believe that the game really belongs to the players and not to me, I'll leave it up to them to decide.<br>
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Would anyone mind if I sent asqwasqw a copy of the map each turn so that he could follow along with the game from an omniscient perspective?<br>
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If just one person has reservations about this, I won't do it. If you're not comfortable posting that opinion here, you can PM me about it.
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							Yeah, I was going to offer to help send maps to people who want individual maps made for them, just so I could follow along in the game, because I thought it would be entertaining. <br>
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Sounds like that's a negative too, but seriously, this game does seem cool to watch. Especially with the presses.<br>
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Oh, and just to put an idea on the books for the future, it would be cool if you added to the secrecy and spying, an omniscient map published with a 1-2 year delay. That way people could watch and players could find out the fate of those across the world, with a big delay.<br>
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							I'm afraid I need one too. I tried both JDip and Realpolitik and it just doesn't seem possible to follow along without having the 'master map'.<br>
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</div>Sweet! And hey, the fewer people needing maps, the faster everyone gets their season reports! By the way, I'm working on them as we speak and they'll be out within the hour ... which will technically be tonight, as promised. =)
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</div>Right, you don't have the map. You need to give me your email address so that I can send you the map, because I can't attach files to PMs on the forum.<br>
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							Well, it's 20-something minutes after the Fall 1901 deadline, and I don't have all the orders. However, you're all in luck. I have a paper due Friday on a book I haven't read yet, so I won't really have the time to adjudicate until some point on Friday. I'll extend the deadline until whenever that happens to be on Friday.<br>
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							Alright, all order reports (I think) have been sent out as of now. I goofed a little bit, though. For all of you who did not submit spy orders, I don't know who you were spying on because I deleted all the old messages. Therefore, if you didn't get spy information this turn, let me know who you were spying on and I'll get that to you along with the Winter builds.<br>
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							So it turns out that the creation of maps is actually a big hassle. So I'll present two options, and I'd like a vote from everyone.<br>
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1) Everyone who had been getting a map prints off this blank map and keeps track in pencil on their own, or gets a program, or something. I think that this really wouldn't be that hard, because - correct me if I'm wrong - I think my order reports are pretty thorough in telling you what you need to know.<br>
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							I'm sending out reports right now.<br>
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Please title the message in which you send your orders thusly:<br>
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AQPMF: Season Year, Power.<br>
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The order isn't so much important, but it is important that you have all four of those elements in the title. It makes orders SO much easier to pick out of my inbox.<br>
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							I think everyone by now should have received Fall 1902 reports. You may have noticed a few changes.<br>
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I wrote in the section where I quoted your orders so that I didn't have to write things over again (or even copy and paste).<br>
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I went with a simpler system for telling you what happened. "Good" means the order succeeded. In the case of support or convoy orders, this does not necessarily mean the unit being supported or convoyed succeeded. "Bounced" means there was someone else trying to take that territory and the strengths of your units were equal. "Failed" means you were trying to move into an occupied territory and you failed to dislodge the unit. "Support cut from ___" means your support order failed because you were attacked. I think those are all the terms I used. Note that I no longer tell you everything about why your attacks did or did not succeed.<br>
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In spy reports, I simply gave you the location of that power's units. Mostly, this is because it was a pain to copy and paste all those orders. If you guys are all fine with that, I'd love to make that the norm, but if not I could see about going back to more detailed spy reports.<br>
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Note: Retreats will be due by 1300 EST TOMORROW. That is 24 hours from the sending of season reports. I'm not sure that I specifically mentioned all the retreats that are due, but if I said one of your units was dislodged, you need to submit a retreat order.
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Man I didn't do anything to y'all *****s. Y'all *****s know me, and we just be chillin in the hood eating Turkish delights. <br>
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And it's not like y'all ain't been beefin' with Greece for <i>centuries</i>. All -we- did was you motherless bums a <i>favor</i> by runnin' up in that crib ships bustin'. They ain't causin' you no problems 'cause they all -dead- playboy.<br>
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							Wow, all really <i>was</i> quiet on the PM front this weekend, eh? Sorry about that, I totally forgot about builds until someone reminded me today. On that note, don't feel like you're being a nuisance by PMing me about things I seem to have forgotten to do. I try to do everything within 24 hours of when I say I will, so if it's been longer than that and you're worrying, I probably did forget, so it won't hurt to send me a PM.<br>
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							<b>Major World Powers Launch Satellites in Spring 1903!</b><br>
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							Russia just sent me a PM saying more or less that he has been very busy and thought he had submitted builds, and asking if I would take them late. I don't feel as though that is really my decision to make, so: would anyone be opposed to allowing Russia to build late, now that the map has already been shown? I would say let him do it, but it's your game really, not mine - I just run it. If I don't get any negatories by Monday night, I'll change the map to account for his builds. I'll extend this to include Turkey and Japan as well, since they also missed their builds.
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							I'm fine with extending the build deadline to Monday night, even if two of those countries are going to use them against me <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallbiggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Big Grin" class="inlineimg"> I'd rather win fair and square than because they forgot their build orders.
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Turkey, God was brought in as a role playing aspect. I am enjoying doing this game in character. <br>
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So you and your home boys can kick it at your crib until Italy and Austria kick in your door and and beat your punk ass like you owe us money. <img src="images/smilies/smallstick/smallwink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Small Wink" class="inlineimg" e5hn4if2l="">
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							All eight sets of orders that I have are sitting in jDip awaiting execution. I am going to give viggo and thewamp until tomorrow morning to submit orders, since I often don't adjudicate until then anyway and it could be confused for the official deadline. But mostly I just think NMRs really hurt games.<br>
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							Spring 1903 Results:<br>
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Austria:<br>
A bul -&gt; gre; good<br>
A ser supports A bul -&gt; gre; good<br>
F alb supports A bul -&gt; gre; good<br>
A bud -&gt; klu; failed because A Klu-Gal failed<br>
A klu -&gt; gal; equally supported exchange with Russia A Gal-Klu; failed<br>
A vie supports A klu-&gt; gal; good<br>
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China:<br>
A Man S A Kor-Vla; good<br>
A Pek-Kan; good<br>
A Inn-Sin; good<br>
A Omo S A Inn-Sin; good<br>
A Tib S A Inn-Sin; good<br>
F Vtn H; good<br>
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England:<br>
F nrg -&gt; nth; good<br>
F nth -&gt; hel; good<br>
F mao -&gt; bre; failed<br>
F mal -&gt; joh; good<br>
A hol -&gt; kie; failed<br>
F eng -&gt; pic; bounced with Bel-Pic<br>
F bor -&gt; sch; good<br>
F bel -&gt; pic; bounced with Eng-Pic<br>
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France:<br>
F sai - ann; good<br>
F cam - tha; good<br>
F gos S F cam - tha; good<br>
A por - spa; bounced with mar-spa<br>
A mar - spa; bounced with por-spa<br>
F bre H; good<br>
A par S F bre; good<br>
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Germany:<br>
A Den-Swe; failed 2:2<br>
F Bal S A Den-Swe; good<br>
F Ska-Den; failed because A Den-Swe failed<br>
A Mun-Kie; good<br>
A Ruh S A Mun-Kie; good<br>
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India:Del - Cal; bounced with Mad-Cal<br>
Mad - Cal; bounced with Del-Cal<br>
Brm H; good<br>
Jav H; good<br>
Eio H; good<br>
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Italy:<br>
A pie H; good<br>
A ven H; good<br>
F rom-tys; good<br>
F nap-apu; good<br>
F egy-eas; good<br>
F ion-aeg; failed<br>
F eth-dan; good<br>
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Japan:<br>
A kor-vla; good<br>
F soj S A kor-vla; good<br>
F npo-kar; good<br>
F osa-fuj; good<br>
F phi holds; good<br>
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Russia:<br>
A stp - fin; good<br>
F nwy s F swe hold; good<br>
F swe s F nwy hold; support cut<br>
A war - sil; good<br>
A gal - klu; equally supported exchange (failed)<br>
A rum s A gal - klu; good<br>
F sev s A rum hold; good<br>
A tur s a sin hold; good<br>
No order assigned to unit at Vla; dislodged from Kor<br>
No order assigned to unit at Sin; dislodged from Inn<br>
<br>
Turkey:<br>
NMR; all units hold<br>
Greece dislodged from Bulgaria; cannot retreat; disbanded<br>
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Retreating units are:<br>
Russian F Vla<br>
Russian A Sin<br>
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Charity, get those retreats to me by 1200 EST tomorrow - Friday, October 26th.<br>
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Everyone else: I'll see you next Wednesday when Fall 1903 orders will be due as usual.
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Austria<br>
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A gre -&gt; bul<br>
A ser supports A gre -&gt; bul<br>
F alb -&gt; gre<br>
A vie -&gt; boh<br>
A klu holds<br>
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A Omo S Sin<br>
A Sin S Omo<br>
A Man S Omo<br>
<u>A Tib-Cal</u> bounced with Del-Cal and Mad-Cal<br>
A Kan-Sik<br>
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F Hel -&gt; Den<br>
F Nth S F Hel -&gt; Den<br>
A Hol H<br>
A Bel S A Hol H<br>
F Eng -&gt; Mao<br>
F Mao -&gt; Mor<br>
<u>F Joh H</u> dislodged from Gos<br>
F Sch -&gt; Can<br>
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France<br>
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F gos - joh<br>
F tha/sc S F gos - joh<br>
F ann - sai<br>
A par S F bre<br>
F bre H<br>
<u>A por - spa</u> bounced with Mar-Spa<br>
<u>A mar - spa</u> bounced with Por-Spa<br>
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Kie- Ber<br>
Den- Kie<br>
<u>Bal- Den</u> failed against Hel-Den<br>
Ska- hold<br>
Ruh- Hol<br>
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India<br>
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eio - cey<br>
<u>del - cal</u> bounced with mad-cal and tib-cal<br>
<u>mad - cal</u> bounced with del-cal and tib-cal<br>
brm H<br>
jav - cel<br>
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Italy<br>
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F tys-tun<br>
F dan-goa<br>
<u>F ion-aeg</u> bounced with F Aeg<br>
<u>F eas S F ion-aeg</u> support cut by move from Smy<br>
<u>F apu-ion</u> failed because Ion-Aeg failed<br>
A pie H<br>
A ven H<br>
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Japan<br>
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F phi holds<br>
F kar holds<br>
F fuj-spo<br>
A vla holds<br>
F soj S A vla<br>
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<u>F nwy - ska</u> bounced with F Ska<br>
<u>F swe - bal</u> bounced with F Bal<br>
<u>A fin - swe</u> failed because swe-bal failed<br>
A sil - sax<br>
<u>A gal - klu</u> bounced 2:2 with Klu<br>
A Rum sup A gal - klu<br>
F sev - bla<br>
A tur - oms<br>
<u>A sib - vla</u> bounced 2:2 with A Vla<br>
F soo sup A sib - vla<br>
<br>
Turkey<br>
<br>
a yem -&gt; nej<br>
f ara convoy a snd -&gt; yem<br>
a snd -&gt; yem<br>
<u>f smy -&gt; eas</u> bounced with F Eas<br>
<u>f aeg s f smy -&gt; eas</u> support cut by move from Ion<br>
<u>a con -&gt; bul</u> failed against Gre-Bul<br>
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The Japanese government responded with alarm today to news of an English invasion of Canton. Speaking in an emergency press conference, Minister of War Ishiba said that the Emperor had decreed upon hearing the news that the "encroachment upon Asia by European swine" could no longer be tolerated. By decree of the Emperor himself, a state of open war now exists between the nations of Japan and England. "Deployment orders are being issued to all Japanese forces. The ships of Japan will sail, our armies will march, and with the blessings of the gods, we will evict the vile Europeans from Asia and send them back to the lands of darkness where they belong. It is clear now that the Europeans are not content to be neighbors with the nations of Asia. It is clear now that they wish to be our <i>masters</i>! We will enact harsh and judicious martial action, and leave their bodies lying in heaps for the carrion-birds!"<br>
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Russia and Germany failed to submit disband orders. As a result, jDip has disbanded F Ska, A Sax, and F Swe.<br>
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Austria:<br>
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<i>A bud -&gt; ser</i> failed because Ser-Rum failed<br>
<i>A ser -&gt; rum</i> bounced with Rum<br>
A bul supports A ser -&gt; rum<br>
<i>A klu supports A ser -&gt; rum</i> support cut by move from Gal<br>
A boh supports A vie -&gt; gal<br>
A vie -&gt; gal<br>
F gre -&gt; aeg<br>
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<i>A Sin-Tur</i> failed against Sib-Tur<br>
<i>A Omo-Sin</i> bounced with move from Tib<br>
<i>A Tib-Sin</i> bounced with move from Omo<br>
A Sik-Can<br>
F Ann S F Phi-SCH<br>
A Man S A Vla<br>
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F Den -&gt; Kie<br>
A Hol Supports F Den -&gt; Kie<br>
F Bel -&gt; Pic<br>
F Mao -&gt; Eng<br>
F Mor -&gt; Wes<br>
F Nth -&gt; Ska<br>
F Lon -&gt; Nth<br>
F Edi -&gt; Nrg<br>
A Liv -&gt; Yor<br>
F Can -&gt; Pek<br>
<br>
France:<br>
<br>
A por H<br>
<i>A mar - spa</i> two orders assigned to A Mar; neither was used<br>
A par - gas<br>
<i>A mar - bur</i> see Mar-Spa<br>
F joh - mal<br>
No orders assigned to F Bre, F Sai, or F Tha; assigned to hold<br>
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Germany:<br>
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A Ruh-Mun<br>
<i>A Kie-Hol</i> bounced with Hol; dislodged from Den<br>
A Ber-Den<br>
F Bal Convoy A Ber-Den<br>
<br>
India:<br>
<br>
Del - Nep<br>
Cal s Brm<br>
Brm H<br>
Mad H<br>
Cey - Eio<br>
<i>Cel s Sai - Sch</i> unit's order does not match support given<br>
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Italy:<br>
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F ion S F gre-aeg<br>
<i>F eas-smy</i> bounced with F Smy<br>
F mag-som<br>
F goa H<br>
F tun-alg<br>
F apu-nap<br>
A pie H<br>
A ven-tyr<br>
<br>
Japan:<br>
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A vla holds<br>
F kar holds<br>
F soj-ecs<br>
F tok-spo<br>
F spo-phi<br>
F phi-sch<br>
A osa-fuj<br>
<br>
Russia:<br>
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A sib - tur<br>
A oms sup above<br>
A fin - swe<br>
F nwy sup above<br>
<i>A gal - klu</i> bounced with Klu; dislodged from Vie<br>
<i>A rum sup above</i> support cut by move from Ser<br>
F bla sup A rum hold<br>
F soo - npo<br>
<br>
Turkey:<br>
<br>
NMR; all units assigned to hold<br>
F Aeg dislodged from Gre; no retreat possible; destroyed<br>
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<img src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t190/moodythewise/Spring1904retreats.jpg" border="0" alt="" e5hn4if2l=""><br>
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</div>You're right. What happened is that I entered the first one, then thought about what to do when I got to the second one, ended up deciding to do neither of them but forgot to delete the first order.<br>
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The combined efforts of the Catholic alliance of Italy and the Austria-Hungarian Confederation have left the Turkish mainland vulnerable to assault in the Fall. In a recent speech at the Vienna Conservatory Feldmarshal von Hotzendorf had the following to say: "Our nation and our strong ally have achieved great success in pushing the Turks out of Europe. Now we shall press on to remove the threat of Islam from Christian Europe forever!"
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</div>Yeah, about this game ... I think I need to take a little time off from it. I know that this is how games often die, but I've been very stressed out lately with school and next week I'm going home for Thanksgiving break and my parents don't even have a computer right now, or something. So I'm going to post the most updated map soon, hopefully today, and then put this on the burner until the Wednesday after Thanksgiving. In an attempt to save the game from dying in the meantime, I'll try to find you guys a "guest GM" to do a turn for you. Problem is, all the GMs currently running games are in this one or me ... but I'll see what I can do.
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F ecs-for<br>
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F Pic -&gt; Bre<br>
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A Yor -&gt; Den<br>
F Nth Convoys A Yor-&gt; Den<br>
F Ska Supports A Yor-&gt; Den<br>
F Kie Holds<br>
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F Nrg -&gt; Bar<br>
F Pek hopes the Japanese have come to their senses (Invalid order, hold order assigned)<br>
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A Con s F smy h<br>
F Smy S A con H<br>
A Nej-Jor<br>
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A gal -&gt; rum<br>
A ser supports A gal -&gt; rum<br>
A klu supports A gal -&gt; rum<br>
A boh supports Italian A tyr -&gt; mun<br>
F aeg supports A bul -&gt; con<br>
A bul -&gt; con<br>
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russia<br>
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A war - sil<br>
A swe s F nwy hold<br>
F nwy sup A swe hold<br>
A rum - ank via bla convoy<br>
F bla convoy rum - ank<br>
A tur - ira<br>
A oms - mos<br>
F npo - tok<br>
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france<br>
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